Friday, June 30, 2006

President Notice and Contractual Remedy

NOTICE

The parties, Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman are natural men, sovereigns upon the land in accordance with the Organic contractual binding agreement between the parties known as the Constitution of the United States. This is the law and the four-corners regarding the relationship between the parties. President George W. Bush is the acting Chief Executive Officer for the Organic United States of America functioning at law and the CORPORATE: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO) functioning in the law of contracts. In both offices President George W. Bush has taken an oath of office where he swore by one greater given as confirmation to put an end to all dispute (Heb. 6:16) a fact that he will with all his power, will, and might enforce and uphold the contract known as the Constitution of the United States. Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman hereby make it clear that they have accepted President George W. Bush’s acceptance and Oath to the contract known as the Constitution of the United States and hereby rely upon this acceptance, as a factual representation not meant to be misleading. The contract known as the Constitution of the United States makes it clear that no law can be passed that impairs the right to contract, that all men are equal as to inherent inalienable rights, and that all men are sovereign including their governmental agents when acting in the interest of the sovereigns. No statue, code, or regulation is binding upon the sovereigns except by the commercial mechanism of offer and acceptance. Law known as the Common Law is the social contract between sovereigns upon the land known as America like the Law among Nations is binding among sovereign nations. All men are entitled to life, liberty, and property and are not to be deprived without just compensation or consent. No man be it King or President is above another man at law. LEX-REX v. REX-LEX having been a long settled debate. Rogue Agents under the authority of President George W. Bush are damaging the sovereigns Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman, their contracts are being trespassed, their property stolen, life and liberty impaired and threatened, all under the color of law and the color of authority being completely outside of the binding agreement between the parties known as the Constitution of the United States. No remedy for damages is limited by the Constitution neither is there exemption or immunities by Agents found outside its four-corners. In accordance with the binding agreement between the parties known as the Constitution of the United States and the sovereigns right to contract we provide the contractual remedy for our damages. This is the only contract between the parties for damages and all implied be them known or unknown are quashed by this expressed contract.

HISTORICAL FACTS

The parties, Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman, natural men, began an enterprise known as THE DOREAN GROUP around January 2004, to challenge fraud from a fiduciary capacity relative to their duties within trust documents. There were approximately 4,000 of these family estate trusts that Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman were duty bound fiduciaries. Under these contracts and law Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman, were obligated to discover if the secured interest claimed upon the property within the trust res was a valid claim. Claims were made by various banks, financial institutions, and government service enterprises. The Uniform Commercial Codes, which is binding as to secured transactions among these statutory entities along with the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), created serious doubts about the substance of these claims. Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman developed a contractual remedy to verify and correct the public record. The contractual remedy was simple and precise. Verification consisted of production of the original promissory note unaltered and possessed, and accounting records that materially showed a lawful consideration. If these were not provided the presumed rights, title, and interest executed by agents or fiduciaries was foreclosed. A specific power of attorney for these rogue agents was executed in accordance with the contractual remedy to effect the appropriate changes to the records to comply with fact. All acts were done with full disclosure in accordance with good faith, represented factually, displayed openly, and honest. It is clear that the mortgage industry by their response, and material facts, in cooperation, conspiracy, and conjunction with the government via its service enterprises known as GINNIE MAE, FREDDY MAC, and FANNIE MAE, have created an industry of fraud upon the America people. Mr. Raines now infamous for his deceptive accounting and management style at FANNIE MAE was contacted late in 2004 and informed of the securities fraud his organization was practicing. No response was obtained. The various banks, financial institutions, and government service enterprises began to complain about our remedy to various Attorney Generals of the STATE DIVISIONS OF THE CORPORATE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO) and to agencies DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE and FEDERAL BUREAU of INVESTIGATION. These complaints and the disruption of the status quo led to hostile assaults upon Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman and their enterprise known as THE DOREAN GROUP. Also during this time, by the filing late 2004 of a civil action against 17 said claimants, we received the attention of the judiciary as a protection agent for the status quo. In particular the Judge, William H. Alsup, made it clear that he was a political hack with an agenda to protect this fraud at all cost including the reckless disregard of rights and law. He entered an order for sanctions, formed and published unfounded legal conclusions without merit or fact, and misused his office to refer to Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman for criminal prosecution. He further showed his conflicts and pecuniary interest by taking trial duties. His retirement fund is vested with the equities of the various banks, financial institutions, and government service enterprises he is protecting outside the law. Whether bribes, favors, or incentives have passed is not known but are obviously suspected by the overzealous, unlawful, assault upon truth. Prosecuting agents KEVIN V. RYAN, and JAMES KELLER (DE FACTO) among others have attempted to place burdens of statute upon the sovereigns by deceptive pleadings and by attempting to make sovereigns a pledge, surety, or accommodation party for the fictional vessels of like name (doctrine of Idem Sonans) without contract, disclosure, or consent. Defendants are not the sovereigns, KURT F. JOHNSON and DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN are Cestui Que Trusts, fictitious in nature and vested with the benefits of acting in commerce in the debt based economy of the bankruptcy of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO). These trusts were specifically created for this purpose, are subject to statute, rules, and codes as attachments to the benefits. They can only be prosecuted in admiralty or equity in rem. Prosecutors KEVIN V. RYAN and JAMES KELLER among others are currently fiduciaries for said trusts; have accepted claims on behalf of said trusts; know the difference between the trusts and the sovereigns. They are in breach of their fiduciary and agency as subordinates of the executive President George W. Bush. They are in breach of their oath binding them to the contract known as the Constitution of the United States. They appear to have some self-interest or self-enrichment motive. Regardless of instructions and duties in honor they continue to place the trusts in a delinquent creditor position against the board’s intention to settle all claims in honor. Placing the sovereigns by misnomer as trusts is dishonest, not factual and creates damage by confusion. Sovereigns are currently kidnapped and held against their will by the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE (DE FACTO) through their BOARD OF PRISONS (DE FACTO) in a facility at Dublin California through the force of the US MARSHALS. No amount of reason or fact appears to be able to dissuade these rogue agents from their agenda. All the commercial paper and contracts of THE DOREAN GROUP are held in limbo by these false claims while the sovereigns are vilified in media and commercial venues as fraud perpetrators who eliminated valid security interest. None of these rogue agents have themselves been able to validate any of the claims made against the res of the various family estate trusts by obtaining production of the original promissory note unaltered and possessed, or accounting records that materially show a lawful consideration. Beneficiaries are losing houses by foreclosure of bogus security claims while agents point the finger of blame to the trustee’s honest efforts to obtain truth. These actions further damage the reputations of trustees and undermine the core requirements for this duty: credibility and integrity.

CONTRACTUAL REMEDY

Via your agents KEVIN V. RYAN and JAMES KELLER (DE FACTO) of the US ATTORNEYS office of the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE and MATTHEW ERNST and GORDON C. MCDONALD of the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION both agencies respectively you have trespassed upon 4,000 private contracts to which Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman are parties. Each contract has a commercial value of approximately $10,000,000.00. Your interloper activities are causing us damage of $40,000,000,000.00 which said damage we are willing to accept and offer as consideration under the following terms and conditions.

• That a private trust in the amount of $40,000,000,000.00 be established with the Secretary of the Treasury’s Office identified by registered mail number RAxxxxxx461US
• That Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman are named as trustees and beneficiaries with the sole power to liquidate, hypothecate, or distribute by their respective signatures individually or jointly. That the Secretary of the Treasury will act as a co-trustee, fiduciary and protect the Trust from any assignments, pledges, or disbursements that are not created by Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman as makers.
• That Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman have the right to issue Sight Drafts drawn on Trust funds and to have them sent, honored, and cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury. Drafts are to clearly designate the trust name identified as RAxxxxxx461US. If the Secretary-Co-trustee should dishonor these Sight Drafts in any way, the United States agrees to immediately issue 10-year Treasury Bonds (dishonor bonds) for twice the amount of the remaining trust res. Not to exceed $80,000,000,000.00
• That if the United States fails to issue the dishonor bonds as remedy for the Secretary’s dishonor it agrees to an unopposed claim in the Federal Court of Claims for twice the amount of the bond issue value not to exceed $160,000,000,000.00 payable in gold, chattels or real property only.
• That if the United States should oppose the claim made in the Federal Court of Claims that Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman have the right under strict foreclosure without notice to attach and seize any revenues, taxes, contract benefits, chattels, or real property in the Name of the United States or its agents like the IRS, Secretary of Treasury, but not limited to these alone, until said claim is extinguished.
• That at all times Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman may use the trust res or the escalating damages to back contracts, cover pledges, fund instruments or justify personal bond guarantees, with proper notice given to the Secretary-Co-trustee being the only restriction.
• That the full faith and credit of the United States is assigned and the property of Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman in the amount of this agreement and can be used under reserve and without recourse freely in the commercial marketplace.
• That a facsimile of the Secretary-Co-trustee’s signature can be placed by Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman as an authenticator on any document or instrument related to the use of the trust res account identified as RAxxxxxx461US.
• That this entire agreement can be avoided by a cease and desist of the damages and trespass in the commercial affairs of Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman and compensation of $1,000,000.00 per day for the unlawful incarceration, misprision of justice, kidnapping, and deprivation of liberty beginning with May 28, 2005 for Dale Scott Heineman respectively and July 21, 2005 for Kurt F. Johnson respectively until rectified.
• That the office of the President agrees to apply the power of Pardon to the sovereigns Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman if any of the rogue agent’s damages are allowed to escalate to a criminal conviction of the Cestui Que Trusts KURT F. JOHNSON ad DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN through their manipulation of facts in evidence.
• That if the United States or the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO) wish to invoke their debtor right under the bankruptcy via House Joint Resolution 192 June 5, 1933 they can return this contract with the statement “Accepted for Value, Returned for Value, and Settlement in accordance with but not limited by HJR 192 June 5, 1933, Public Law 73-10 and Public Policy.” If they do not they agree to the creditor’s remedies and waive their exemption forever.
• Failure to cease and desist and to persist in damages will be acceptance by performance to all the above terms and conditions. Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman offer these damages as consideration. Creditor’s rights are exempt from levy, first in priority.

CAVEAT: AT NO TIME DID Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman INTEND, DESIRE, OR CONSENT TO DOING BUSINESS WITH THESE PARTIES OR THEIR AGENTS. THIS CONTRACT IS A REMEDY FOR BEING COERCIVELY FORCED AGAINST OUR WILL TO THE SUBJUGATION OF DAMAGES.

NOTICE TO THE AGENT IS NOTICE TO THE PRINCIPLE
NOTICE TO THE PRINCIPLE IS NOTICE TO THE AGENT

PERFORMANCE IS ACCEPTANCE
SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE
ARGUMENT IS ACCEPTANCE
DISHONOR IS ACCEPTANCE

Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman hereby swear by the affixing of their signature that this is the only agreement between the parties and that any and all implied contracts are void, and quashed by this expressed.

51 comments:

son of a prophet said...

these guys should have been lawyers...

then again, better that they arent, or they would be on the wrong side.

but, next time, tell the typist that i believe that the noun is "principal"

"notice to principal is notice to....."

WillToFight said...

Well I guess that says it all!

light1rae said...

Kurt and Scott we are greatful to our Heavenly Father for giving us you all at such a time as this! Could not of said it better! As always STAY THE COURSE..... We will continue to pray for your victory! Let light so shine in darkness. We love you guys.

;)
R&P

WillToFight said...

"Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."-- Thomas Jefferson, 1799

WillToFight said...

""The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein

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"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." -- Winston Churchill

G-FORCE said...

I believe Kurt and Scott were chosen to expose the fraud and oppression in our government and economy. They know that that they were chosen, as agents, by the Master Lawyer, hence the disreguard to act in fear. The fear perpeptuated by the oppressors will come upon them(the oppressors) multiplied many times, even before their eternal; spiritual death, which will consist of fear, pain, hate, and remorse of exponential proportions, will shortly follow. Salvation through Jesus Christ is always an option if one's body is still alive. This fact always needs to be made known. Job 27 and James 5 clearly show all this to be true(among other references). I also believe President Bush is a God-fearing man and will accept and act on the facts of the matter regarding Kurt and Scott. The fervent and effectual prayers of the righteous man have MUCH effect. James 5

Yetter said...

I have never said anything like this to any one, except one selectve justice 7. You are a hopless ass hole. If you don't know your rights,you have none.
you have exactly the goverment and financial instutions you deserve.

neodemes said...

"PERFORMANCE IS ACCEPTANCE
SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE
ARGUMENT IS ACCEPTANCE
DISHONOR IS ACCEPTANCE"

You got those G boys hog tied now.

I'm sure that will work.

neodemes said...

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Yetter said...

stupid is as stupid does

WillToFight said...

Hey mogel.....I understand you meaning but still

black as coal.

Black is not necessarily bad. Positive/Negative not necessarity good/evil!

I agree though completely with your last post, very well said. They are at such a deep level of misunderstanding Mogel, Many have to find their own way!

I don't have to say their names!

KYHOOYA said...

i THINK MORE THAN ONE NEYSAYER HAS SAID ON HERE THAT THEY KNOW THERE IS PROBLEMS WITH THE BANKING SYSTEM AND ALSO THAT NEED TO BE FIX.

I know this is like spiting in to the wind when it comes to the people that don't want to change but here go's anyway

I ask the neysayers and all of you that say the banking and money system of this country neeed to be change but don't think what Dorean has set out to do is the way to get that started.

Then what is the way to get the most powerful men in the world (FED RES.) to quite and close up shop.

I would love to heear your ideas on how that will be done because it will come down to that one day if not now then when would you have it start after they have taken everything and there is no more power ifthe people.

You know it was'nt that long ago that we became a country (this being the $th of July weekend) should remind you of that fact being that the case then why don't you look back before that point and see what kinda life and liberty there was in a world that was controld by the banks, King's (before the bank's started control of them) leaders around the world that were controled lust of money and power and the people that found out how to control it and them all.

take a good look around you then ask your self why is it that we have a system in place that everyone is now coming to light (by the internet spreed of info)that this system is not even a part of this country's Goverment by now it is been seen that they need to go you even have state's that are put there given power to coin money back to them selfs with note "it will be given back to congresss when they shut down the Fed Res" with this as a side line from a state that has more in there coffer of money then any other and should be the one's that care the least.

why is it that there are people that are starting to stand up one by one (people of credit and standing in the country ) and saying that it need's to change and how is it that we have a puppet for a Cheif to run things in around here. Father and son both pres. with in 8 yr's of them self's what is wrtong with that and the fatcs that surround the election in the first place. Look at the votes for Jr. as he got over 4000 vote in one town that only had 635 voter that could vote.

So that along with all the other items of ??? why's and why not's the War (where's Os.bin) why did we take a left turn and go to Iraq and (why all the contaversy over the twin towers and how tey went down) in war that amout of peole would be not even a thought to loss there lifes and it sure did open that closing door on Iraq as the people had said that they wanted there kid's home we had done what we went over there to do get them out Kuwait. That was'nt what the Goverment wanted to do now was it or we would'nt have had to say a word about them packing up and get out of there, they would have done it on there own but they wer'nt t6hey wer'nt done so the tower' sweere the way back in the way to get the people to jump up and raise old glory screming get him (still don't nknow how that got us back in to Iraq ) it must be that we were in the area and thought "well if were' here we might as well stop by and collect all there money and see if we vcan get that thing we left undone done. I'm sure the people won't mind right there still running around waving the flag but half don't even remember the name of who it was we started out after in the first place but Oh well who care were here now right?"

the Fed Res. and the people that control our are not going to leave by asking them to they like it right where there are and we drop our gaurd long time ago long enough to let them in now my questiomn to you heysayers is if you think that Dorean is wrong than how would you go about changing tha fed res.sys?

Because it has to change or better it has to go.


that is a simple ???? is'nt it? you should have no peoblem giving at least some small idea of haw to start going about this large problem right?

if no answer than can we say that if your not part of the solution than your part of the problem.

I think so.

please stay silent and don't answer the question as you have it only show that yopu have no idea what your up agenst in the problem and if you think it's not a problem then

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha right back at you that would be the dumbest thing yet.

KYHOOYA said...

Happy 4th of July Kurt & Scott.

Thank's for staying the fight for our independence.

KYHOOYA said...

you ever pictured the people behind the money and how they might think about there ever forword moving efforts to gain the money and power of this country.
Picture a group not to larger maybe 25 50 who aree playing a game to see who can get the most first. and they don't care how just don't say a word to anyone about it . kinda like when the FED RES was put to gether is'nt it.

you neysayers just can't see it and thats how it set up and if you doo therewill change what ever it is so you don't again and if that don't work than there alway's having you killed is'nt ther

Look at res.JFK why is it that a popular pres like that would be shot and someone like dick head that in there now run around untouch.

I WOULD LIKE TO NO THAT.

ONE LAST THING DOSE ANYON NO WHAT (JFK) WAS JUST ABOUT TO WORK ON WHEN WAS SHOT?

You might find it kinda interesting to look at what it was and who it tied to and it might be very clear to se why.

they lik epuppets not anyone that want to have real power and a say on thing they just need some one to do how they want

if the manofesto from the FEDS don't tell you that they were here for there onwn resone then what dose I ask you that/

"go to the ellectin campain start and make sure that no one is watching them " what a jole we are to the rest of the world . they all see the fact that we should I can talk to some one from some other country and they will no more of how this system works then 90% of this country dose. maybe we should loss it all we sure don't take care of it very well.

Good luck trying to buy a house in the futer there Neo it should be right up therer with the gas prices and the cost of a pack of cig. but hey the good news is that Bread has'nt change much in price.. Hey why iss that any way? inflation is inflation is'nt it??
or is just what they want to change to pinch out the people that they need to ?


good luck to you neysayers are such a bunch blind fools that deserve what you get. to bad that might be at the cost of the ones that see.

neodemes said...

kahooie, you could be 100% right in what you are trying to say, but come across as such an illiterate buffoon, who would know?

Are you so lazy you can't string intelligible words together, or are you really illiterate?

Do you people really believe all of Kurt's gaming and posturing are going to have any effect on the core problems of the American economic system?

Even if they somehow managed to prove banking fraud and win their case, the devastation to the economy would have such far-reaching effects it would never yield the improvements you (pretend) you are looking for.

You pretend to care soooo much about the generations to come, but I don't believe a single one of you has anything but a selfish and self-serving motive.

Certainly if the 4000 (what happened to the 5000 number?) participants gave a sh!t about anything other than reneging on their own mortgage, they would be flocking to this blog finding out how they could raise their voices in unison and have some sort of impact on the outcome of this charade.

The reality is you are a pitiful little group of sociopaths, obsessed with flatulence and strung-out on the belief that your tiny attempts to make a difference, in a world that is far too complex for you, amounts to anything more than the psychotic ramblings that they are.

Put your energy to use figuring how to structure your lives so that you don't run up debts in the first place, then you won't have to rely on scam artists that are going to 'help you'.

Do you have credit cards?

Cut them up.

Do you have multiple credit card debt already?

Focus on paying every extra cent you can muster toward paying off the smallest debt first.

When that is done, apply that monthly payment toward the next. Rinse and repeat.

Are you paying for a new car loan? Sell the freakin' car and buy a beater. A car is the worst investment you can make...it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.

Do you lease a car? Then you are truly a moron.

Can't make enough $ with your day job? Stop whining and get a second job.

Have garage sales until all those toys you didn't need in the first place are sold off and apply the cash to your debt.

Did you buy too much house? Sell it and get one you can afford. Don’t like paying all that interest? Make regular payments against the principal and knock off thousands. Sheesh, this ain’t rocket science, its basic math.

You don't like banks? FINE. Don't use conventional financing. Stop whining and learn how to buy real estate via alternative methods.

You may not be able to, because you have no self-discipline and are only motivated to search the lunatic fringe of the Internet for tired out patriot movement and sovereign tactics that don't amount to a hill of crap.

Realize that you own nothing that isn't owned by God, and you are merely stewards. It is your job to be responsible stewards. That does not mean to finance a house beyond your means to pay your mortgage and then go running to mortgage eliminating scams to bail you out, while pretending you are saving the freakin' world.

Learn how to apply biblical principles of financing to your own lives. Teach your children to do the same. Give them three envelopes, label them:

1)Giving
2)Saving
3)Spending

Set up your finances to match. Rely on the truth of God's word that you do not need to worry. Give with a joyous heart and you will live an abundant life. Don't confuse abundance with wealth.

moogie, do you believe you are part of a solution to anything? I believe you are among the most self-serving, jumping from one scam to the next, finding how you can be on the receiving end. OR, maybe you are truly gullible and believe all this BS. Hard to say and I don't really care at this point.

Anyone who believes the New Jerusalem will be in Kansas City (or whatever you had said) because some clown claimed he was given the gift to translate a fraudulent lost book would probably believe anything.

Y'all have a good 4th of July and don't let your firecracker go off in your hand.

Neodemes out.

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WillToFight said...

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WillToFight said...

NeodomenesIdiot

Plays Allen Greenspan! As if he has the answers.!

You would not be here! Oh, your starting small!

WillToFight said...

Neo

Sounds also that you might be seening the probablity of banking fraud.

But your lack of courage forces you to respond by saying (parap.)

But we don't have a better system, Dah!

Continue seeking grasshopper!

WillToFight said...

Finally Neodo

You talk out of the back of your neck!

You mix and match, slice and dice until what you are saying only sounds good to only you!

You can't fight city hall! Just give in! The words of a master Kiss Ass!

WillToFight said...

I can not resist!

NeoRFID

Have you gotten your Radio Frequency ID chip implanted in you and yours yet!

You do want to be a pioneer right?

neodemes said...

Calling names and pasting quotations is a cop out and a waste of time, willy. Let's see some substance from you (for once).

Better yet, let's hear from the other 3,900 players.

I'll wait.

Yetter said...

Its a perception. If all is well with you and your at peace with your enviroment, have a nice holiday.

neodemes said...

"it's horrible advice."

Why? The adverse would be to say that being in debt is a good thing. Is that your implication? Are you saying that 'good advice' would be to live beyond one's means via the magic of credit?

1. Design
2. Define 'this creation' or rephrase the question, please.
3. Seems that way...can't answer for their intentions.
4. They make huge profits...can't answer for their intentions.

The point of your questions in light of my post is what?

I advocate against using credit.

KYHOOYA said...

Neo


You advocate against the use of credit? Ya because you can't get any do to your bad business deal and the results there of.

Ha! Ha! LOL good luck!
Have you looked around as of late? the whole worle is being forsed to use credit, you can't get away from it unless you live in cave.

Do you live in a cave Neo? You know that would answer alot of question.

I'll bet thats what the problems been the hole time!
You have the mentality of a caveman.


As far as your responce to my question's and your addvise there of. Let me start with one thing at a time and I will try to do this in a way that you can understand and that is nice and S L O W O. K.

That should about sum up you school boy atempt at belittling me by yet another grammer and spelling teacher.
The fact is you understand me just fine and the hole idea of posting you don't is only you way of sidesteping the question's

You know if you were to give any time what so ever to those ???? you would have to take a good honest look at your position in this matter, that would most likly cause you to see that your WRONG!

You go right ahead and get those three envelopes and mark them for your self and call me in 10 yr's and let's see where your at. My bet is that you'll be no better off that you are now.

You kbnow Neo I can see that you are trying to take the good stand in that you have been told all of your life that you, GO to work, Save, such and at the core value of treat others like you would like to be treated is all fine.
Don't you get alittle pist off when all your life you have been told to do something and when you turn around to see your fruit there's nothing but DUST? JUST NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT ALL.

It was'nt alway's like that if you go back into history and look people worked hard, they rasied there familys they tried to do the right thing. When they looked back at all they had done and what it amounted to they could see something for it and most cases be proud off there life and family.
Now this is differant we have been told the same thing but the end results have been takenj without a fight because we did'nt see it happening. It's great to tell someone not to use credit and follow that path you discribed but it has become impossable to this in the world of today.

You must see that no matter how hard you work that in the end there will a big can of dog fooopd waiting for you and you slip into your golden years.

Come on look at the big picture here like you said it's not rocket science it's just simple math

By the way as for your statment of:

"Are you so lazy you can't string intelligible words together, or are you really illiterate?"


My laziness is do to the time I have and the aggravation that causes me to think faster than my one finger can type (at one word a min.) it takes me a bit of time to get posted and no I don't proof read when I'm done, that go's without saying I would think.
You can think and say anything you choose about my statas of "edamacation"
but for the record I hole a n IQ of 143 or there abouts so if you have to use the teacher approach to try and better your position and get your mess .. I mean message out than go right ahead and do so it dos'nt change a thing in the big picture about the state of the country and your lack of forsite to see the end results that await you.

Hey but you keep on saving if my math is correct and it most always is (Spelling/grammer not the stong suit but math now that I'm right up there with the big boy's) when you get done saving those three envelopes before you get to the giving one you might want to see what you have left in the rest. Know what the inflation will bring and the greed of the IMf and such you might just want to check and see if you needed to use that GIVING envelpoe to get by.

IT's all nice word you have and it's great to see that all of my taxes have not gone to waste in the public school system because you are a good example of what can be programed into kids as the go through it.


And don't you think they don't know it PAL!

tHAT AND THE COMPUTER HAS BROUGHT THIS TO A HOLE NEW LEVEL FOR THEM AND IT'S JUST MOVE INTO HYPERSPEED

Have you heard about the (information age) or is that something your just over looking in your ideal world setting. They got the jump on the info long ago just try and fathom how one spec of info is run through a computer and then multi that by endless and you'll start to understand how computers are use by the PTB IMF and the rest.
Here think about this's, do you have a card thet you use to get a discount on your grocerys? I'll bet you do as most of have one so with that in mind i would like you to take a min. and think of how much info that little card that see's every item you get and then look back at what I said about thet box that your typing through and put that with the fact that your computer has more power x1000 then the computers that wereused to get the info back 20 yr ago. Shit they filled a high rise building bhasement with wath you have right infront of you just to try and keep up withthe storagThe fact is that that card you use will will tell me How many poeple live in your house and what gender. what time of month they menstrate. wheather you have a colon problem. Can you start to see the mass of info tat little card hold in the right hands. What you by tellk alot. and Itell you something you might cut those credit cards up but next week there will be a new invition when you open the mail box for another one just like it they want you to have them they go out of there way to make sure you can they no that it give them endless infi and a way to track you habbits. Look at it today is the strat and they could track you from your home and back if need be by no credit card (all though that makes it much easier for them )

I will take what yiou had to say and keep what I need Neo but You might want to take a good look at whats going on around you and put aa side all the consp. and ragge smoking lables that the PTB like to give when they get stuck.

Or there's that good line old Bush used when ask about all the problem's that were going on around the Katrina mess. His responce was

"Problem? I don't see any problems at all"

Now if that's not tell the reporter to shut up or go the way of Dan Rathe rs than I don't no what is. That or he's as crazy as he look's.

Daddy watch me shoot that can over trhere with this here hand gun I got from kicking old saddams ass! You just watch and see what I can do Daddy ! Daddy Daddy your not watching me DAMIT!DAMIT you never ever ... ,m SR. BUcs to Jr. Would you put that thing away before you hurt yourself or worst me you IDIOT! Oh vcome on Daddy You have to look at me I the pres. and you have to! I'll have my secret guy 's make you. Jr. get over here and give me that gun before I slap you up side your head and thenj have your secert guy's do the same you little twit.

Who the hell do think put you in that office you dumb ass! Daddy I won it! I won ityt! fare and squre !

O.K. sure you did jr, sure you did. now give me the gun and lewt go get you a nice little oil drilling contract or something nice how about that jr. Ya daddy that would be great and may be some of those gold minning contracts that you get at a real good price.

Who in the fuck get's to have a son and father be th cheif of the USE within only one term of each other is has to be in odds sake up tere with winning the lotto.

By the Bust sr. signed a little contract a day out of office with the gold minning company named Barret who then got two contract for minning right of two gold deposits in the USA all for the price of $10,000.00 piad to ore treasury dept. how much gold is there in those mind's Oh about $10,billion give or take a $1, mil now that's something that I might have beed able to scrap together let's see $10,tho. for $10 bil

You wear me out I can't beleive that you don't see the going's on beyound the Dorean idea.

if you ever sit down and take alook at the question that I have put to you you will see the real point here you can't help but to not see it.

if you don't than how care's Neo you don't make a dent in the big picture so do as you will.

The one question you might want to ask your self is why is the loan that you get when you put one out fro your 401-k plan set up the same as your home loan but the two are completly diff. when it' scomes to the pay back end.


think about that and then ask your self how deep you want it because your get FUCKED no matter how you look at it


That was so you could have something to say about my language I would'nt want to leave you withoput something to come back with off the topic

Why not saty on the subject and leave the rest out or are yopu tow afread that if you do that yo u might find out that you thinkingon this is all wrong or not it' hard to say when your wrong for some I my self don't care it just show the way to learn about it and gain from doing so


Last I will leave you this in teh end My self I have nothing that is at risk or gain here I have a want to se thiong be fare and correct and througfh this and many others I work in that direction anlike your self I have a home. a few as a matter of fact. I'm not here as you said to get out of anything or to try to get something for nothing I'm here to see that itis all done fare and withypeople thinking like you no matter what is done thee can be no right from a Judge that is corrupt and someones rights being derailed by such that in its self is resone for Dorean to beright.
The facts are right there an when they are put up to show what do the PTB do but change them right before your eye now I sorry thats not how it work you set the rule 's make alot of money in the way you have set it up and themnn there is found a way to get it set right or get aound it a loop hole as they say you can't change it then and say that your fucked because we say so. no thats noot how you play fare is it? you can find something to twist this around to but when it comes down to it the facts arethere and you got two guy that have been locked up for a year now with out due process and that's is bul shit in my book I h seen people that have done worst thing be treated by the system faster and with all there right in tact. the way that this is playing out only show you that the bank or whom ever are pullin string somewhere.

Why is this Judge so bent on this anyway as you would think ther to be some one that could sit this case that was'nt so hell bent over itand put any thought of miss treatment and right loss out of the story but the way it's set who would'nt find for a miss tral or at a minthey will get to apeal it on those ground of impartiality issues well type my self to bed again so by. is you can't understand then don't but please don't post bull shit for facts or your own personal value plan to a better life go out and show me how it works because of what you have post so far and where you sit not the weath ( and i no you don't mean money ) it's is not there by my eye's you seem to be here posting alot for someone that is happy and content in his life don't you think?



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open up! no one ever condemded anyone for want to learn just because you saw it one way and then change your mind is not a bad thing. its intelligent

WillToFight said...

NeoIdiot Said.....

it's horrible advice."

Why? The adverse would be to say that being in debt is a good thing. Is that your implication? Are you saying that 'good advice' would be to live beyond one's means via the magic of credit?

1. Design
2. Define 'this creation' or rephrase the question, please.
3. Seems that way...can't answer for their intentions.
4. They make huge profits...can't answer for their intentions.

The point of your questions in light of my post is what?

I advocate against using credit.

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Stuuuupid! Ignorant! I don't want any NeoAssWhip

WillToFight said...

Former Reagan Deputy and Colonel Says 9/11 "Dog That Doesn't Hunt"
Col. Ronald D. Ray asks why half a trillion defense budget couldn't protect Pentagon, astounded at "conspiracy theory" put out by government

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | July 1 2006

The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it "the dog that doesn't hunt."

son of a prophet said...

is US expecting REAL fireworks this week???
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NORAD air base on heightened alert
No reason given for 'Bravo-Plus' security level


Posted: July 3, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


As the U.S. continues to express concern about the possibility of a North Korean missile test directed toward American territory and the rest of the world holds its breath over a close encounter with an asteroid, several U.S. air bases are on heightened alert.

But no one is talking about why.

The Cheyenne Mountain Air Station, which houses NORAD – charged with monitoring the North Korea situation – is now at "Bravo-Plus."

Other air bases in Colorado, California and Florida are also on heightened alert status.

wysiwyg said...

Mormonism is a fraud and the worlds largest cult

WillToFight said...

How do you like this Neo.

This pasting of quotes I think is important, based on where things are in this country today!

The founders put in place a system that could protects us from greed and forced survitude etc., and currently it is being eroded faster than ever before.

It is by "Design". The shame is that The "Designed" erosion of this country into 3 world status is being accepted by people like you, and that makes you (by your own writings) someone who needs to read these quotes and other news so that you might break the program/spell that your under.

I don't expect much from you though! You'd cut off your nose to spite you face.

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Yetter said...

I would like to wish ALL a safe and sane holiday, give thanks for what we have but remember we are no where near the freedoms we once had.Democracy only leads to tyrany.My Lt Col brother in law always tells me, freedom isn't free.
Much vigilance and effort is needed.God Bless those in the fight.

Yetter said...

enough said.

KYHOOYA said...

I'll share this one for all to think about.

I think it's a good time since and could'nt think of a beter place to post it. I will give the short story and if there is anyone out there that has something to add or knows something about it well go from there This is more for something that shows that the Goverment don't tell you everything so don't sit there thinkinhg that your but is sfe or that you should not get up and do something to help change things.

Now withthat here go's ...

I live in the San fransico bay area and in close to a place called concord navel weapons station that house many things from mild to wild and wild being nukes but as is the case around the country there ha sbeen a lot of base closers and I must say that I have no problw with that one (CNWS) being on that list but ther are many air bases in the area and up and down the coast of Ca. and the boarder of Nevada.
The storys like this I out mowing one day (Sept 2002)right around the anneversary of 911 andin fact it was labor day weekend. many were out of town enjoying there last summer weekend of the year and it was a cear and brit day . It was around 6:00 p.m. and my wife and kid were down town having dinner I opted to stay and finish so yard work. There it was as clear as a bell this thing I can onlt discribe as a rocket or missle come a cross the sky fro the direction of Mt Diablo and headed as if driveing in the other lane of traffic and going the other direction. it was moving very slow along with the fact that it was as quite as can be, so much so that I thought it strange it was'nt making a louder noise as you would think something like that would.

But at any rate I was less concerned with amount of noise it was not making as to the fact that it was dispencing some form of liq. from the tail end in a halo pattern and continued to do this as it move across the sky every 1 to 200 feet or so and it was slow as it went along sprying the whatever out of the back.

After a short time it came to a point that it was'nt move very much it was than it just disapated is the best I can come up with itwas more like and explostion wwithout the bang you expect to go withone and it was gone .

This cause me so much concern that I called down to my wife and told her to stay there intill I called her back before coming home and gave hera breif idea what had happened . I then started calling every where I could think of to find out it was that just came across my property. this was something I had never seen before and with it spryinbg something that I also wanted to find what that was.

After calling local sherrif , cop,s and the airport tower was the one that offerd up some answer to what it was the other only gave bits and converned that others had called thet saw the same thing. So at least I was'nt seeing thing and it did happen

(Hey you are always the last to know when you lose it, Your mind that is)

So not to happy with answers I had been given I called a few more places like the military bases in the area witch consist of Travis air base Miramar a little further south and Vandinberg air base down around San deago Ca. I did'nt do much better all except for miramar base where talking with the sargent told me that the there was nothing to fly that weekend and that in fact no troops or cargo and that this was the first weekend that was the case since the hit on the towers a year ago. They have beeen moving men and supplies out 24/7 so I said who else and hwe pointed in the southern direction so thats what I did abnd call vandenberg airbase and got nothing tried a few more and the same results the answer that i got other that nothing was flying was from the tower at my local airport and they said they were told that it was indeed out of Vand. airbase and that it was dispensing or dumping it fuel before exploding and there was nothing more they could tell us.

Well that is it except for the fact that I don't by the fuel part as I do know a few pwople in the airospace industry and they said that most any rocket is fueled by solid fuel not liq. so what it was spraying I don't no there are a few thing that happend around that time that are unexplained one being my dog died after about two months going from great to bad and 169lb to 80lb with many trip to the vet and never did grt a resone of wht it might be that killed him they were stumped as were me and my wife be the fact that he was with me friom the time i got hiom as a puppy and wa in great health all the shoota nd was play ballljust the day before he started his decline and when I say he was with me I mean he sleep and went to work and was mostly where ever i was so I would know what if anything would have happened that I could that is who no's it could have been s spider bite to after doing some check on thing it I read about Black widows and that was alsostraingh because that ther was a extra amout of Black widows in the are a and more than myself saw them to be a problem and ther wer bigg ones not like the ones you might see
I'm in the building buss. and I have never seen the size of the one's that I had here and the count was in the 50 range so if that is normal so be it but I don't think it i sthe only other thing being that i have been going thriough car cover s at arate of three in the last year and a half on the same car witch to me again seems to be a little on the excesive side.

The last thing I will say is that there was some one in th LA area that were on there way home that saw what to me as per there report to the NCFUFOs reporting center they wrote about what they saw and I'll be damed if it is not exactly the same image of the thing I saw word for word in discription that is. the happening is a little different but the item is the same but there is not much diff. about the story either. any way chalk it up to the strangest thing I have seen and not been able to explain and to date havent . I must admit that Idon't spend anytime looking but it dose pop into mind every now and again what the hell it was that was spraying and why and the fact that it was the same time only a year later from when the towers at 911 happend almost to date as i think back I think it was the same date or within only a day that along with the
the GOOD OLD BOY we have up in the white house and what he is apt to doing,

(What a dumb ass that guy is) as I said in a more discriptive way before )

You can just see him siting on the pourch swinging that tropy gun he took from Saddam or better yet that he had someone bring him. Talking to his Daddy just like a little kidd that is in need of approval. " Look at me Daddy I got that old Saddams gun ,just look what I can do with it! Come om Daddy watch me shoot that can over there. and dad telling him to put it away and shut up before he hurts someone and jr. having a fit over it.

Just talking on the pourch at the ranch the only two father son team to be the cheif and leader of the country ever and look at that all with in only one tem of 8 years.

CAN YOU SAY GET A LOTTO TICKET BECAUSE THATHAS GOT TO BE RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE ODDS OF WINNING THE LOTTO YOU THING ?


WE ARE HEADED FOR SOME DIFFERENT TIME'S

WillToFight said...

WhatDoYouMean

Well Said!!!! Well Said!!!!!

WillToFight said...

WhatDoYouMean

Now you will not get a coherant answer from Neo!

We have given all the reason to him in the past. He already did not and could not understand to respond to those 4 simple questions you asked.

His response to you will be his questions to you, which does not make a dabate!

Takes all kinds to create the balance of the law of equalibrium.

Those on the half of greed and "just go along" or "move out of the country if you don't like it"!

They will someday if the real fighters are beaten down, asked themselves (if they can be honest with even themselves) say, "why didn't I fight, how could I have been so blind"?

And maybe they will never see, but that would not be justice!

You reap what you sow!

WillToFight said...

"A new fascism promises security from the terror of crime. All that is required is that we take away the criminals’ rights -- which, of course, are our own. Out of our desperation and fear we begin to feel a sense of security from the new totalitarian state." -- Gerry Spence Lawyer and author
Source: Give Me Liberty, 1998

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Sooltauq said...

Scott and Kurt are going to jail, and so also should all the people who did business with them. After all, they accepted the money by way of criminally defrauding their mortgage company.

As far as Scott and Kurt's pleadings go, the only thing it might get them is some free time with the nice men in white jackets in a padded room and a temporary reprieve from prosecution until they can regain their sanity.

Arguing that the banks "make too much money" or that The Fed "has too much power" are political arguments, and not legal ones. Those arguments will not help AT ALL when the mortgage foreclosure action comes or the FBI comes calling for criminal loan fraud.

neodemes said...

"is if this planet was a gift to humanity, are you able to enjoy this gift by seeing the sites, experiencing the wonders, tasting the variety of foods, etc. if you don't participate in the "system"?"

Of course. Will you be able to travel the whole world and experience everything first hand? No, but even using this 'system' your experiences would be limited, so why go into debt trying? Be content with what God provides, open your hearts and you will find happiness and contentment and a wealth of joy and experiences to last a lifetime.

"However you condone this rampant and blatant thievery."

No, I don't.

"You advise us to just avoid the criminals, rather than do anything about it. First off it's nearly impossible to not participate in the system. And secondly, why should 95% of the worlds population be enslaved by the 5% that make these ridiculous rules and impose this burdonsome system?"

Its impossible not to participate? If you believe that, you are fooling yourself or you can't see your needs because your desires cloud your judgement.

Surely if folks did not partake of this 'system' that is nothing more than self induced servitude, the masters would shrivel and die.

Y'all want instant gratification, but cry because you nailed yourself in a box.

Wake up, stop whining and change your lives.

Your all so busy blaming everyone else for your problems you can't see the solution in front of your faces.

How sad.

neodemes said...

moogie,

Does calling everyone a moron make you feel better? That was Farrel's favorite word, too. I guess you are more like him than I realized.

Course, we don't hear from good ole' Farrel anymore.

You sound more hateful with every post, I'm sorry to say.


1John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1John 4:21
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

wysiwyg said...

Moogman,

Mormons can not join secret societies such as the Free Masons. Is it because they are too holy to be in such an organization? No. Joseph Smith took much of his "scriptures" from the Masons. He forbid any member of the church to associate or join, thus preventing them from realizing he plagarized the Masons for his "religion"

And please explain what that Satan is Jesus'brother thing is all about. No reference to that in my Bible.

Just because there are millions of people who follow a false doctrine does not negate the fact that it is a cult. Millions of Catholics also follow false teachings.

neodemes said...

Thanks, bro, but I don't need anyone's pity.

Life is good.

God's Grace is sufficient.

Save your pity for the victims.

I'm not one.

wysiwyg said...

mogel said,

IF YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL LIGHT & TRUTH IS IN THE BIBLE, & ALL ANSWERS ARE ONLY CONTAINED THERE, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN TOO.


I assume nothing, it is the sole source of truth and light. Not some made up scripture that was "revealed" to a sharlatan in the 1800's.

What part of "Not one jot or tittle" do you not understand.

Do not degrade the word of God by elevating a work of fiction to the level of revealed scripture.

By stating there are other sources of truth degrades the very part of Scripture you claim to believe and relegates it to be blended in and watered down by the other so called enlightened beliefs. What about Scientology? I bet you don't think that is truth, or do you. The Koran? Truth?. Are you a "wagon wheel" believer? All the spokes (religions) lead to the center(God). Marxism? Truth? Yeah it is a religion as well. Paganism, Druidism, Bhuddism......

KYHOOYA said...

Peanut Gallery said...
kahooy said,

from the tail end in a halo pattern and continued to do this as it move across the sky every 1 to 200 feet or so and it was slow as it went along sprying the whatever out of the back.





What you saw was the tail signature of a pulse jet propulsion system. They emmit what looks like a halo, or series of halos from the tail.

The once secret SR-71 Blackbird also left a similar signature when it was going from sub, to supersonic, though it was not a pulse jet propulsion system.

2:25 PM

O.k. I can by that with some relief as to the nature of the halo. thanks for the info.
From what you have it seems that you have some expereance with the airospace or something around thatand if so maybe yoiu can shed some light on the other half as to your idea of what it might be doing in the bay area be that this place you get nothing in without it being seen. and the fact that I next door to a huge storage of weapons well not so much now but back then there were and this place was housing nukes from time to time. the point is that if you no the area then you will no what I mean about nothing get in here if not take my word for it nothing dose without someone seeing it there is also two big airport and one up acoming in San Jose and the story that was from that couple that was down in so cal. what they saw was the same. From what you said I can see hot it could of traveled by what for and the to dissapate.

Do you have some other Ideas on this it would be a great deal of help and comfort to find the missimg puzzle piece if you understand how that can be disturbing not knowimg the rest of the story. any help in that direction would be great
thanks

The kicker being that this happend on the yr date of 911 so I have to think something was going ion with this. you were saying that the one project was top secret now not right? so why would anyone want to keep that quite even if they had sent it up the coast from south or where ever just tell it was a flight or something and thats that why leave people ..Well me hanging about it anythoughts on that ?

wysiwyg said...

Moogsie

Seems I struck a nerve at the heart of your false phony so called religion.


"In the beginning God created man, and when he was finished, he created, Mor-man"

LOLOLOL

son of a prophet said...

happy 4th y'all!

whils i am at a relatives house enjoyin' some hot dawgs and some barby, i couldnt resits logging in thier 'puter to see whats goin' on here.

i see that the religious debaate has perked up quite a bit.....

as i am not a momon, i dont belive that the book of mormon is true, but a false prophet.

nonetherless, i dont condmn anyone for whjat they believ is true or not. that is the LORDs job, and He does just fine w/o me judging anyone.....

having said that, we all agree i am sure that the day is coming when...."Every knee shall bow, and every lips confess that Yeshua is LORD..."

one way or the other, all knees are going to bow, vouluntarily, or, if they have to be broken, but THEY gonna BOW.

Sooltauq said...

All your religious psycho-babble isn't going to stop you from being convicted of loan fraud, either.

neodemes said...

mogel said,

IF YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL LIGHT & TRUTH IS IN THE BIBLE, & ALL ANSWERS ARE ONLY CONTAINED THERE, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN TOO.

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Whoa. I didn't realize you were such a lost sheep, mogel.

Earlier you stated that you don't believe in anything. You must believe something, and it sounds like you are off the track to salvation.

I pray that you find your way to the Truth and the Light before its too late.

Your statements regarding Satan and Christ being brothers as all men are brothers lacks the important Truth that Jesus is not a Creation, He IS God.

I hope you are able to find your way.

WillToFight said...

Oh! and You have all the answers Neo????

I think not....I think Christ was called the Son of God Not God. The Christ also said there was greater before and will be greater after me.

Now I don't know if the version you read says that, but me I will not read a bible less than 100 years old!

The newer versions has that dogmatic/programed side to it, although the whole books has always been that way. Of course people at your level of social status was not suppose to read or be allowed to read the Bible anyway!

Which part made you an idiot the New/Old testiment?

Anyway we are all son/daughters of God. There is only "One" and Jesus/Yahweh Ben Yahweh/Jesuha or who ever you all call him was, is not the One God, but the son of God like you and me!

Father Son HolyGhost (Women)

Creation can only happen with Man Women that create a child!

The Holy Ghost came into being with the Euro Patriarchal attitude that did not recognize the womens role in Spirituality!

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NeoIdiot said....

Your statements regarding Satan and Christ being brothers as all men are brothers lacks the important Truth that Jesus is not a Creation, He IS God.

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Who told you that Jesus is God the Father/The All the Creator? Every scripture I've read it talks about the fact that Jesus is the Son of.

JesusBenGod

Again NeoBenIdiot (Ben means Son of) in Judaism/Muslim and others languages if you did not know NeoBenAssFace.

Anyway, Why wouldn't or couldn't Satan be the brother of Christ. According to the Bible I read Satan was first Number ONE The most beautiful angel in heaven. Isn't in your book, it says it?

You would say something stupid like "Well Jesus ain't an Angel"! Blah Blah Blah!

Explain!!!!! What caused Satan/Lucifer/Set to fall NeoBenKnowItall?

Give me your best twist Neo!

I will not cut and paste the Bible. I will deal with you from memory and logic only!

Who told you that Satan could or is separate from that which was created by the ONE GOD/ THE ALL EMCOMPASSING GOD?

You'd better read Job! But you only need the new testiment, right!

But let us be logical.

If satan was all on his own, not created by the One God. How would you really know who would win the battle.

They both say they will win in the end! That is why I don't put satan equal with GOD/NETER, nor do put Jesus equal to God. There is no equal, but if there was, we should all question that!

The ALL/GOD created GOOD/EVIL. It must have been.

So everybody get over it!

My contribution Neo!

WillToFight said...

Most of you on this Blog are not ready for what I just posted!

Oh well! You will get there when you do!

neodemes said...

My mistake Mogel.

You don't believe anything, not in.

In other words, you believe nothing.

I believe you.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You find willy to be perceptive?

You would.

LOL

neodemes said...

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all aspects of the ONE God.

Someday you will fully understand.

I hope it is while you are still breathing.