Friday, November 10, 2006

Class in Session: Lesson 8 (10/13/06)

Origin or creation has inherent in it title. This is clear in copyright, trademark and manufacturing. In article 2 title is passed by a sale. Now the promissory note is a good that the maker has title in by creator rights. If article 2 conflicts with other law the other law prevails including other articles. So we now know Article 2 is not that potent in the full scheme of things. The next thing to consider is whether it is applicable at all. If the note is a security than it is clear Article 8 take subject matter jurisdiction and the title movement will be regulated by those terms. We can clearly tell this note is not a certificated security like a stock certificate or bond. It stands on its own and is not represented by a certificate. As an uncertificated security created by the maker vested with title the transaction begins. Possession changes hands most certainly but does title go with possession? I will answer that soon enough but first let’s ponder a few scenarios. If title does pass in a good faith method Dorean is a fraud. If it does not what is happening in the possession change? If one has possession without title it must be on loan or as an agent. Is the lender a borrower? Is the lender an agent on behalf of the maker and if so on what basis? The lender takes the note and securitizes it. As the maker’s agent or title holder? Duties and responsibilities are worlds apart here. Someone said “is it wrong for the lender to borrow money?” Of course not. So they borrow money against the note. If they have title this is their business. If they have agency this is the maker’s business. Are they going into the securitization market with the maker’s as principal best interest at hand? If not there may be fraud or breach occurring. Let’s hope article 8 makes it clear how title passed in the financial asset-uncertificated security-note. Then another look at the transaction’s handling of this note will simply be lawful or not. I’m certain honesty-in-fact and fair dealing has set the standard for full disclosure so that all parties understand except for 2 poor deluded men in the pokey forever.

21 comments:

Unknown said...

mogel said...
As for the trial being postponed because Julian is now found, Julian can't tell the prosecution anymore than what they already know-- which is that the prosecution KNOWS THEY ARE IN TROUBLE THEMSELVES.

Ms. Magoon was monitored and watched and questioned by the FBI from the very beginning representing herself to me that she was the first Dorean client and really personal & close friends to Kurt & represented to me she considered herself to be a highly intelligent person. That night, she called me out of the clear blue & she told me that she thought her phone was illegally tapped & monitored & seemed to have plenty of questions for me. She only knew me by things she had heard about me, all from second hand sources. Mind you I had never talked to her on the phone before or even had an email or internet conversation with her. When I questioned her exactly what was the extent of the FBI investigation was comprised of, she told me she couldn't go into that with me, & clammed up, but seemingly wanted to get information from me, so it appeared that way to me. That was months before she decided to seemingly flee. She can't tell them anything either of anything significant as when she called me she told me nothing of significance. The prosecution is grasping for straws as usual.


Mogel, you are such a clueless fool. Julian AND Magoon are CO-defendants and will go on trial with the other defendants. Now that they are being brought to justice in the US they have to accomdate them by law, which is something you obviously know nothing about.

tcod247 said...

Amazing that as soon as Mogel posts a rational and intelligent post that really makes one stop and think, there are 4 irrelevant detractors. (must be on a payroll somewhere) The naysayers never want to deal with the fact that the govt has broken just about every law there is in putting and keeping these two guys in jail. Just like the banks will NEVER, EVER answer that pesky little list of questions. Why? Because acquiescence by silence doesn’t apply to the banks, only to us when the banks send us those changes to our cardholder account agreements. Strange, I thought the law was a two-way street?

Mogel you did a very good job of going thru the "Bill of Rights" or what used to be the "Bill of Rights" and showing how our corrupt judiciary, MIBs and govt have taken their jackboots and stomped all over most of the 10. I wonder if they set out to trample on each one or if it just came naturally? Anyhow, according to your analysis they missed one or two so maybe they're stuck and can't figure out how to desecrate those remaining ones. Once they stomp on those then it’s settlement time. Shouldn’t be too long now….

neodemes said...

moogie, you should do stand up.

You're a freakin' riot.

son of a prophet said...

journalist pleads for help....




Journalist Persecuted For Documenting Bush Family



Connections to Nazi Regime
documented in the National Archives and the U.S Congressional Record,America still in denial about treasonous Bush family.


John Buchanan, journalist who broke story in 2003, talks again about how he was targeted and persucuted in a Nazi-like manner for telling the truth about the Bush family.


11 Nov 2006

By Greg Szymanski



The connection between the Bush family and the Nazi regime just so happens to be well-documented in the National Archives and the U.S. Congressional Record.



And this treasonous connection, one that should have been dealt with a long time ago, was finally brought to light in 2003 by investigative reporter, John Buchanan, in an article first appearing in the New Hampshire Gazette.



Finally, after 60 years of treasonous silence by politicians and the media, the truth about how the Bush family came forward and how they were nothing more than two-bit traitors and war profiteers.



But instead of praise, Buchanan was shunned and then discredited by the mainstream media, his story ridiculed and then placed in the black hole of conspiracy propaganda read by extremists on the internet.



Instead of the treasonous information ending the Bush family reign of terror, it demonstrated just how treasonous, diabolical and devious the government ad media had become.



Instead of using this information to once and for corral the Bush family and its murderous past, the Nazi-like stranglehold on America surfaced instead, rearing its ugly head as Daddy Bush called out the attack dogs to once and for all silence Buchanan.



"I found out the hard way how the Bush family tries to silence people trying to tell the truth, especially when you cross the line," said Buchanan Thursday while appearing on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal. "I was so naļ¶„. I never thought what happened to me could happen in America, especially for a person like me who believes in freedom of speech. But I found out quickly freedom of speech doesn't exist in America when you begin uncovering the truth about the Bush family."



What Buchanan meant by "finding out the hard way" was that the Bush attack dogs, like true Nazis, on two separate occasions hauled him into custody, accusing him of plotting to kill the President, accusations that were of course unfounded but used as a scare tactic.



"I have to admit I was frightened to death because I thought at any time for no reason they could haul me away," said Buchanan, adding that his story led to him running for President of the United States in 2004, leading to more than respectable showing in the New Hampshire primaries.



"When I flew into Washington D.C. to give a speech at the press club after the New Hampshire primaries, turned out to be the first time I was apprehended by agents and held against my will for two hours," recalled Buchanan, adding that after he was released and gave his speech, he decided to take a train home to Florida instead of flying.



"I have to admit I was worried about what was going to happen when I returned home to the state controlled by Jeb, the brother of the President."

And Buchanan's worries quickly turned into a nightmare of serious legal proportions, being arrested on a bogus14-count felony complaint for aggravated stalking against a victim the state failed to produce.



A story appearing on August 14, 2004 had this to say about the Buchanan arrest:



Republican "9/11 Truth Candidate" John Buchanan has been arrested in Florida on extremely suspicious charges. Buchanan, an investigative reporter whose revelations have caused acute embarrassment to the Bush family, is being held in most flagrant violation of US law.



Buchanan now faces an accelerated kangaroo court that, within days, could send him to prison for up to five years for "stalking" an unidentified "victim."



Buchanan's arrest happened in Dade County -- Jeb-Bush country. He has been framed and placed in jail, which will prevent him from attending the GOP convention where he hoped to challenge the nomination of George W. Bush. This way-laying of a legitimate political challenger shows the raw power of the criminal ruling elite that is now in power in Washington.



Buchanan needs to be Issue Number One throughout the convention. Demand his release and the end of suppression of his message.



Members of the web communities www.911sharethetruth.com and www.911truth.org have been in touch over the last few hours with John Buchanan, who ran against George W. Bush in the New Hampshire Republican primary as the "9/11 Truth Candidate." Buchanan was featured at the end of David Ray Griffin's book, The New Pearl Harbor and was interviewed in the film, 9/11: The Greatest Lie Ever Sold.



Has Campaigning Against Bush Now Become 'Stalking'

On February 4, while on his way to speak at an evening meeting of the National Press Club, John was kidnapped by unidentified federal agents who claimed to be Secret Service officers but apparently were not.



Four days later, upon his return home, John was arrested again. This time, on phony criminal charges contained in a 14-count felony complaint for aggravated stalking against a victim the state has failed to produce.



One is left to conclude that the "victim" is one George W. Bush. If so, that means that Buchanan's Constitutionally protected right to politically challenge a fellow Republican has been deemed "stalking."



On June 14, after the "victim" failed a second time to appear for a deposition, the judge informed the Florida state attorney that he would dismiss the charges if the victim failed a third time to appear. The victim failed to appear last Thursday.



Today, however, the judge changed his mind -- and the state attorney refused even to let John plead guilty to a misdemeanor so that he could return to Maine and his 9/11 outreach activities prior to going to the Republican Convention in NY later this month.



The state of Florida now plans to put John on trial next week. He is facing five years in prison. His new public defender has reportedly "lost" his evidence binder, which he prepared to rebut the original allegations with more than a dozen witnesses and other evidence.



Targeted for Exposing Bush Family Ties to Nazi Leaders?

The fact is, John is being persecuted by the Bush regime for his courage in reporting the "Bush-Nazi story" in the New Hampshire Gazette last fall and then taking Bush on earlier this year based on the ugly truth about 9/11. We the people of the 9/11 and anti-war/anti-corporatism movements can not sit by and watch this happen. We must all help John in any way we can -- NOW.



Given his dire situation, John needs a lot of help and moral support. Specifically, he needs some short-term financial support and legal assistance, as well as media exposure to call attention to his persecution by the state.



John has emerged as a courageous member of the 9/11 community and has made a firm commitment to continue on with the fight until the Bush administration has been held accountable. For that reason, he deserves your full and aggressive support.



Two years after the arrest, Buchanan had this to say on his radio interview:



"I remember going to court and the public defender saying he lost my file, I had no defense and I better plead guilty as I was going to jail," recalled Buchanan, adding that he broke down in tears. "I then called a 9/11 activist, Gabriel Day, who quickly helped me retain a lawyer. The lawyer then obtained a continuance and was able to persuade the judge the government had concocted the story, having no victim or evidence. The case was finally dropped but after considerable time and expense.



"Even after that experience, I was harassed by agents one more time, again accusing me of plotting to kill the President but releasing me after they said I was only in their custody for wanting to impeach the President. What a joke, I remember telling them before being released, saying if you hauled in everybody who wanted to impeach the President you would have to build another Guatanamo Bay right here in the states.



"Since then, I have lived in five states in the last year and half, now settling in a rural part of Georgia. I have written a screenplay about war profiteering, my book Fixing America has been selling and I am planning again to run for President.



What happened to me should prove to Americans without question that we are living in a fascist country and that Nazi-like tactics are being used against Americans."



The following story, written by Buchanan in 2003, appeared in the New Hampshire Gazette, a story still ignored by all the treasonous politicians and members of the media, as America still remains captive by the murderous and Nazi-like ways of the treasonous Bush family.



By John Buchanan



Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette



WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.



The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.



Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.



No Story?



For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.



The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.



The Summer of '42



The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran in the New York Herald-Tribune on July 30, 1942. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.



"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.



The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.



Business is Business



The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury and war bonds. The company's activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.



The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that politically prominent individuals were about to come under official U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued unabated.



After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.



Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war. The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it.



UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert Walker, who had a relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922, Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.



The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise, Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort, Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to seven years in prison.



The Family Business



In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.



However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.



Seized



On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.



In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp (Vesting Order No. 259). In November, Congress seized the Nazi interests in Silesian-American Corporation, which allegedly profited from slave labor at Auschwitz via a partnership with I.G. Farben, Hitler's third major industrial patron and partner in the infrastructure of the Third Reich.



The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury and war bonds, to their foreign clients overseas as Hitler geared up for his 1939 invasion of Poland, the event that sparked World War II.



That's One Way to Put It



Following the Congressional seizures of UBC and the other four Bush-Harriman-Thyssen enterprises, The New York Times reported on December 16, 1944, in a brief story on page 25, that UBC had "received authority to change its principal place of business to 120 Broadway." The Times story did not report that UBC had been seized by the U.S. government or that the new address was the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian. The story also neglected to mention that the other UBC-related businesses had also been seized by Congress.



Still No Story?



Since then, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.



The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book was published by a Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.



The essence of the story been posted for years on various Internet sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online media seem to have independently confirmed it.



Likewise, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.



Loyal Defenders



The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush - indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.



The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's alleged Nazi connections."



Poles Tackle the Topic



Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.



Still Not Interested



Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.



Aftermath



After the seizures of the various businesses they oversaw with Cornelis Lievense and his German partners, the U.S. government quietly settled with Bush, Harriman and others after the war. Bush and Harriman each received $1.5 million in cash as compensation for their seized business assets.



In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.



John Buchanan is a journalist and investigative reporter with 35 years of experience in New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in more than 100 newspapers, magazines and books. He can be reached by e-mail at: jtwg@bellsouth.net

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mogel said...
Does that requirement include the absolute necessity of postponing or continuing already existing court dates? Judges don't have to grant continuances if they don't want to or if Defendants or even attorneys have violated Court time frames already set up. By simply not showing up for Court by ignoring dates or simply fleeing or not showing up, doesn't necessitate that you have a right to have a court date at a later time. If you don't show up for court, you are in default by your own negligence. You're the clueless one! You're the one that said that since Julian isn't in the States yet, that the whole court time table has been changed since you assume that he has some great story to tell that will shock the very foundation of the Dorean process. If you mean something different, explain it, just don't resort to name calling. That just shows how childish you are. If you are going to make an accusation, at least have the courtesy to prove it or back it up with at least something of intelligence.

Mogel, here is the bottom line, so please read and then RESEARCH it before you and anyone else start to make assumptions.

The superceding indictment had 6 people total indicted collectively. Therefore, unless one or more file a motion to be severed from the other defendants, they will go on trial together, unless they plea out like it seems Tobias has already did. So, if Julian and Magoon are now and will be in custody, respectively, they will have to stand trial together unles anyone files and gets granted a motion to be severed from the remaining defendants. This is totally within the law and Alsup's power to do so.

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justice77777777 said...
Mogel, here is the bottom line, so please read and then RESEARCH it before you and anyone else start to make assumptions.

The superceding indictment had 6 people total indicted collectively. Therefore, unless one or more file a motion to be severed from the other defendants, they will go on trial together, unless they plea out like it seems Tobias has already did. So, if Julian and Magoon are now and will be in custody, respectively, they will have to stand trial together unles anyone files and gets granted a motion to be severed from the remaining defendants. This is totally within the law and Alsup's power to do so.

Let me conclude, mogel, with if Kurt & Scott are truly prepared to go to trial, they can motion to sever themselves and proceed to trial if the motion were granted. However, Kurt is smart enough to know that if he even motioned for such, he would be throwing his brokers to the wolves and they would be forced to defend on their own, when Kurt himself stated this would be a "temporary distraction" back in February when the superceding first was released.

Therefore, Kurt and Scott will have to eat whatever Judge Alsup throws their way because two of the brokers were stupid enough to flee the country, and now need to be brought up to speed with the defendants in custody in order to proceed.

Yetter said...

After an article appeared in Havanas publication "Juventud Rebelde" saying that former President Bush Sr purchased a major i75,000 acre estate in Paraguay. A confirmation of the report came to me from a Paraguan. The estate sits on one of the largest Aquafers in the world, providing potable fresh water. Paraguay has granted American soldiers immunity from the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. This treaty has waffled so we will see if it holds. The difference between who is a war criminal and who is a war hero is historically defined by who wins and who loses. The question is will this apply to political control as well.

Yetter said...

REUTERS "Ford Motor Co said on thursday it was delaying the filing of its Quarterly report with the SEC while the CO completes a restatement of past results." Reports will use many definitions of the instruments that have caused the problem, but they all are over the counter derivatives which strike once more.

Yetter said...

Remember in a Federal court the Constitution is a profanity.Truth has nothing to do with substance in the mind of Bill Alsup and selective justice 7,they have been found guilty and sentenced.

son of a prophet said...

"Paraguay has granted American soldiers immunity from the jurisdiction of the international criminal court."



nonsense. people who dont believe in god beleive that.

the long arm of justice can/will find you no matter where you are if you have committed crimes against humanty. otherwise, there is not god, no justice. might as well be in the courtroom, no justice there either,it appears.

cant run and cant hide (perhpas if you could get to the moon, MAYBE!....nah, god will find you there too!)

Unknown said...

mogel said...
Justice777: Isn't Tobias also represented by legal counsel?

Besides, if the Court can't convict K&S, they certainly can't convict any of the Brokers, so if K&S win & get their freedom, all the Brokers win too and are legally safe.

So, Justice, why the sudden concern for Dorean Brokers?

Well, moogie, you totally missed the point. Again, I told you to do research before you respond, and you obviously did not honor my request.

Just keep up your own theories and trying to convince the sheeple on this blog who believe you, because one thing I can assure you, is that you are so off base and out in left field of what is really going on, you will come off as totally pathetic when all is said and done.

~~The Swami~~~ said...
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Yetter said...

Wanta be free?. You have no concept of freedom nor its responsablity. Go back to your job(s)

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Karma Says...............I'll Live Another Day !!!!!

habakkuk said...

"Blah Blah Blah looks like the same ol shit differ day.Welcome to the USA idiots if you dont like it move out of the country,cause you aint gettin shit here for nothing unless your a scammer and a fraud, and we all know who that is. "

I SWEAR THIS GUY SAYS THE SAME THING EVERYTIME HE POSTS.....

NO THANKS WANTOBEFREE (IRONIC NAME FOR A GUY WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT INJUSTICE IN OUR SYSTEM), I LIKE MY COUNTRY JUST FINE...I'D RATHER HELP ESCORT THE PEOPLE WHO HI-JACKED IT OUT AND TELL THEM THEY CANT GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING HERE...THANK YOU VERY MUCH:)

Yetter said...

In the progress of another whistle blower, Catherine Austin Fitts, the former auditor from Housing & Urban Development and the missing 1.5 trillion dollars. Without a dobt, HUD is a major fraud center rivaling any crime syndicate. This relates to the sewage stirring in Fannie Mae Portfolios (mortgage agreements turned derivitives), and the upcoming mortgage bond write downs and the threat to the U,S. banking system. Fannie routinly bought and still buys the lowest quality mortgages from loan originators, but the banks buy back some mortgage bonds from FNM, infecting their own assets. There is no precedent in modern history for an economy to be held up by asset growth without a manufactoring base. Such beliefs and trust serve as a reckless testimony to heretic U.S. based lunacy. This is a prescription for a disaster in full glory. Left field? Pathetic?. Indeed.

habakkuk said...

He wanna be, i liked ya better when the irs was after ya.....you made better sense back then. At least you stood for something...Now you cant think of anything except a few thousand dollars that you lost. Oh yeah, about that.....dont blame the dorean group, blame the banks and the government who broke the very laws they CLAIM to inforce....They stole your money.

neodemes said...

moogie sez: "You are innocent until proven guilty by your peers. Peers don't comprise a special interest group like what's been assembled against the Dorean Group already."

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Maybe they can't find 12 people numb enough to qualify as peers?

:-)

tcod247 said...

wantobefree said...

I went to jail fighting for my freedom thats how much i used to care,after irs came knocking and the dorean group stole alot of money from me....

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So how did Dorean steal your money? Wait, don't tell me, someone put a gun to your head?

Caveat Emptor. So the rule here is "let the buyer beware" :)

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son of a prophet said...

....nice ta see y'all gettin' along soooooo wellllllll.....


ahm sho god is just lookin' down an luvin' it all....."yup, those ma peeple down thay...."

an thays all made in my image...or was it my imag-ination...