Monday, July 25, 2005
“Difficult But Going Well”
Well I am preparing to take on the legal system head on. It ’tis important to note that both Scott and I are the founders of The Dorean Group, but neither of us are necessary to its daily operation. My function now is to challenge the illegal assault on the company. This is a sufficient task for me to handle. The day to day operations are being well handled by a very competent and dedicated staff. I shall continue to update you as to how things are progressing with the case they have filed and any others they may plan to file. To the faithful continue to pray, to those that oppose us wait and watch the announcement of our victory.
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mortgage man you are really a dumb ass. Put two and two together! If it was an all out scam, the FBI would have shut Dorean down in February. They are still open sh*t for brains! I called the office Friday. I'll agree with you the hunger strike isn't smart, but please man......it is not a scam! If you are so convinced, call the FBI and ask them why they are still open.
For those who think the Holy Word is being "abused" and maybe irrelavent....heres some more for ya:
Micah 2:1-3 (Living Bible Version)
How terrible it will be for you who lie awake at night, thinking up evil plans. You rise at dawn and hurry to carry out any of the wicked schemes you have power to accomplish. WHEN YOU WANT A CERTAIN PIECE OF LAND YOU FIND A WAY TO SEIZE IT. WHEN YOU WANT SOMEONE'S HOUSE, YOU TAKE IT BY FRAUD AND VIOLENCE. NO ONE'S FAMILY OR INHERITANCE IS SAFE WITH YOU AROUND! But this is what the Lord says: "I WILL REWARD YOUR EVIL WITH EVIL; YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO ESCAPE! AFTER I AM THROUGH WITH YOU, NONE OF YOU WILL EVER AGAIN WORK PROUDLY IN THE STREETS".
Like i said my friend, the Bible is not a book of religion, its a book of Law, Justice, and Government. HIS Government. In HIS Kingdom....HE RULES. I'm glad our friends Kurt and Scott understand the truth. "The truth will make you free".
Scott and Kurt,
This is for you from your Heavenly Lawyer:
2 Chronicles 20:17 (KJV) Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: Set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the Lord with you.
I know you feel the need to fast and pray....and if thats what you feel God is instructing you to do then don't let me stand in your way. But try to use wisdom too. My advice: Let those of us on the outside continue to do the fasting and praying for you. You need your "wits" while your in there. God is right there with you....He is fighting for you.
Proverbs 23:9 Dont waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.
Now thats out of the way, To every client that feels they got cheated by this process: Dont get "seduced by the dark side" I found myself almost doing that but then i caught myself and realized i was on the right side. I also sensed that Scott and Kurt are men of integrity and they are just standing up for what is right. So to use biblical terms...FEAR NOT, dont get out of the boat, we will all get to the other side, dont give up. Besides, what other choice do you have at this point.
blueletterproxy,
to clarify: the "fool" in this scenario is mortgageman. I really don't feel the need to answer him when he talks nothing but nonsense.
Abuse of Scripture? Are u kidding me? When you read Micah 2:1-3 what do you think he's talking about? How bout the 100s of other scriptures in the Bible that talk about the same topic? HELLO!! The bottom line is, our founding fathers (Christians)even adhered to scripture when they set our currency guidlines in the Constitution. Where do you think they got that from? HELLO!!! You gotta read, it will really help you when your trying to have an opinion.
I know, all you can think about right now is how you got "Scammed" etc etc....You have no ability to see the Big picture.....Or do you?
tcob,
Jesus in the Bible is known as our Advocate (Lawyer). Who do you think gave the LAW to Moses? Where do you think our laws originate from? Think about it and then answer. ok.
Mortgageman,
Listen, i don't know you, nor do i know what your motivation really is in this. I think you mean well in the sense that you dont want to see innocent people taken advantage of....neither do i. If anyone has reason to be ticked-off its me and my family.....We've been thru hell going thru this. Our house was in foreclosure at one time....but by nothing but a miracle the bank reinstated it. I dont know how to make you see things the way i do.....Let me just say this.....and i speak words of faith.....To all those who feel they are victims now, Fear not, you will soon no longer be victoms but victors. Have faith....you have the Word of God in your corner....and you can never loose with God in your corner.
habakkuk - Who would you suggest the non-Christian victims approach? Or was this an exclusive "opportunity" among the faithful?
Mortgageman,
I hear what your saying, but we all knew the risks of dealing with these immoral banks, judges, FBI agents, etc. I dont know how many times TDG warned us about the "bad behavior" of the banks and how it was unpredictable. We all signed agreements. We were cautioned that if we were not ready to take a little heat...then get out of the kitchen. So, i'm not going to do any gripping since i knew the risks. I'm just doing what i know to do....and thats rely on the God who has always taken care of me and my family since we committed our lives to HIM and HIS Word. I'm not at all suprised either that when i start talking the truth that others want to call me crazy....Let them talk, i could care less. All i know is that when we come out on the other side of this thing victorious, there will be no mistaking WHO made it happen. And all of HIS critics will be silenced. And me and my family along with all those who believe in the TRUTH and a God who watches over his Word (TRUTH) will sit back and be just like the children of Israel when they saw the Red Sea close in on the Egyptian Army. And God said: "You shall see this enemy no more".
By the way, a little biblical tid bit: Egypt always represents the worldy, financial system in the bible. Just a little food for thought. Hey, i cant help it guys, i'm the son of a pastor. You tend to pick up these things from going to church.
Well said Tulsa John
Judge Roy Bean,
Welcome to the conversation. I invite believers and non-believers to watch whats going to play out. Just like the apostle Paul told the other prisoners who were with him on the boat in the storm: "God has given me all who sail with me, not one of your lives will be lost, if you stay in the boat".
If the non-believers choice to "stay in the boat" and see what God can do, maybe they might change their "non" status;)
But, i'm not telling anyone what to do.
Mortgageman,
Dude, its exuasting chatting with you. Why don't we both go enjoy the rest of this summer day. Go pour yourself a cold glass of lemonade, go chill with your family. Or better yet: why not go and take 5 minutes to say a prayer. Ask God what HIS take is on this subject. Dont take my word for it....go ask HIM. He might just answer you.
Mortgageman,
Ok, i should be sipping lemonade about now but......I dont think you are evil, you are just one of those people that always chooses to see the glass half empty. You just have to learn to realize who the real enemy is....i can assure you its not TDG. If you would just focus on the billions the bankers stole from the American people and not the few thousand TDG got from you to try and win your freedom. Can't you hear the bankers laughing at you right now? They are saying: "Yeah, this guy is one of our disciples. I'm so glad this brainwasing thing still works on some poeple."
"The just shall live by FAITH." Heb.10:38-------Heb.11:1"Now faith is the assurance(the confirmation,the TITLE DEED)of the things we hope for, being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their REALITY[faith percieving as REAL FACT what is not revealed to the senses].(Amp)----------The use of the Word of God is meant for(among many other things) WARFARE. 2Cor.10:3-4"For though we live in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using MERE human weapons. for the weapons of our warfare areNOT physical, but they are mighty before God for the OVERTHROW and DESTRUCTION of strongholds." If you are feeling "abused by the use of the Word of God, you are definitely on the wrong side of this battle.
Mortgageman,
I cant tell you how many times i've heard the "I borrowed money from the bank and i bought a house with it" example. If you dont understand by now how the banks are frauding the masses i dont know what to say to you. God calls it "unjust weight and measures" or "usury". He calls it an "abomination" and HE will not tolerate it. And neither do i. Its a scheme that goes all the way back to the bible and its always seems to make an appearance here and there. Jesus drove these same moneychangers out of the temple and overturned their tables. Hmmmmmmm, think about that. Its the only time when we see Jesus physically angry in His life. It just goes to show you what God really thinks about this sinister practice. Its no wonder God says "the love of money is the ROOT of all evil."
Starfish prime,
Greetings, I really dont think we are taking this too far when it comes to applying the Word of God. Its all too clear that God has an opinion when it comes to this topic....i dont have the time to state the numerous scriptures. And saying that the bible wasn't written with TDG in mind is like saying God didn't have you or me in mind when HE inspired men to write it. What if TDG is the "straw that breaks the camels back" and the whole banking industry is changed because of their courage. Would you then say the same thing? We are all a part of a Grand story my friend, I have my own chapter, so do you, and so does TDG. But if you dont have the Word of God as a guide to lead you to do whats right, your story will not have a good ending.
Hey tcob,
relax dude. I'm not calling myself the Savior or anything. I'm justing pointing out what the Bible says in PRINCIPLE....you can apply the PRINCIPLES of the Word and it can be relavent. Didn't the founding fathers apply the principles of the Bible to our constitution??? Because they did, you and i are able to have fun on the internet blogging all day without being thrown in jail because we can't have an opinion. Or maybe that too is slipping away....hmmmmmmm.
starfish prime,
Who ever said you were going to hell? I have no idea what you do in the dark pal.....Thats between you and God.
If you dont think God knew that a man named Kurt Johnson would start a company called TDG then you are not familiar with the omiscience of God. He knew that you would choose a danish over a donut for breakfast this morning;)...God works thru individuals, who make up companies, and families, and cities, and states, and countries. Again i ask you....was God with the founders of our country when they wrote our constitution and formed our country? A country that uses the Ten Commandments as a foundation for our laws. I guess George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were "cult" members right? Gimme a break. Listen, by nature i am not one to condemn people, so dont think i'm trying to thump people over the head with the Word.....But I AM trying to convince you that its more relevant to this situation and to this time than you think it is. Yeah, we have to live thru 911s, and all the stuff in life that sin brought with it......But i cant tell you how many times me and my family were spared from a lot of tragedies because we were connected to the God of the Bible. Yes, we do experience hurt, and death of loved ones, etc. But without God i dont know how we would have coped. So i take offense when people like you call God-fearing people like myself "cult" members. No one is forcing you to believe what i'm saying. I guess we will see what happens...right.
Farrel's most recent forum post reveals the fact that the entire scheme is indeed connected back to a number of well-known Internet fraud artists who have been perpetuating myths and profiting from it for many years.
Mitchell and his ilk seem to always be able to find sycophants who can be lured in to pay to hear or read about the secrets.
Then when enough of the marks are sufficiently armed with bogus mythology and several axes to grind, they are ripe for the taking by the likes of Heineman and Johnson in a quasi-religious fervor.
No minds will be changed here; I fear many of the victims will continue listening to the alluring tale of the now-martyr.
Instead of taking steps to avoid the pending financial catastrophe, their pride is going to be boosted even more by their self-righteousness.
What they're missing is the historical component of the story; these scams ARE NOTHING NEW. Same food, slightly different seasoning.
The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com
For those who recognize TRUTH---The generation of Israelites that complained and whined while being delivered from bondage never made it to the Promise Land. They even accused Moses of leading them out there to die. The whiners and complainers ALL died in the wilderness. Ten out of twelve spies panicked at the site of the enemy and even compared themselves to grasshoppers and convinced the masses to panic also. Joshua and Caleb were the only ones out of that generation to go into the land of promise. Two chose to live by FAITH and the rest chose to live by fear. "This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, you shall meditate on it day AND night, then you WILL BE prosperous and successful." Josh.1:8
whataboutjere,
what is your current status? If i know the answer to the question i will tell you.
Whataboutjere,
i dont have the solution for you. We were in the same position you are about a month ago. We didnt know what to do except ask God to help give us the answer. We got behind on our payments waiting for TDG process. We had about 2 weeks until the sale. But then we got together and prayed and the next day a friend called our house and asked if we needed money....We didnt mention any of this to her. She then sent her husband over with a check for $15,000 to reinstate our mortgage and then some.
I'm just saying this to spark some faith in you. I dont know if you even acknowledge there is a God or not, but i will commit to pray for you anyway that you get a solution.
This is the essence of what us "religious" freaks have been saying all along. We have no where to go now except to God and ask Him to help. We know thru His Word that He is against what the banks are doing. So lets ask HIM to JUDGE this situation and help all those who are siding with HIS truth.
mortgageman,
I still can't believe that you dont fully understand the concept of how the banks are commiting fraud. Are you serious? Cmon, your joking right? The prerequisite to this blogg site is a course called Banking Fraud 101.....You have to complete and pass that course before you can participate in this blogg....ok. So, go do your homework, then come back. And when you come back dont bring that "my unlce lent me money" example....That prooves you didnt pass the course.
Mortgageman (aka Morty)
Actually, the thought just occured to me....It took me about a month to figure this whole thing out myslef....so i understand why you are so confused. I can sympathize with you.
Whataboutjere,
Your welcome....and i am serious when i say i will be praying.
Mortgageman,
Are you trying to make a point? Our friend has stated that she doesn't need to be payed back. But just to answer your question, yes, if she wanted to be payed back we would owe her $15,000.
But our friends at the bank are at the top and they are creating the money out of thin air to lend to you and i with interest.
Mortgageman,
You just dont get it do you.......God knows i tried. My advise to you....go take that Banking Fraud 101 course and come back later.
Just Want Out,
You forgot to tell the part of the story where Jesus told Peter to go catch a fish and you would find a roman coin in its mouth....thats what he used to pay the immoral tax. He didnt reach into his own pocket. You gotta know the scriptures in context my friend.
James 5:16b
The effectual fervent prayer of a rightous man availeth much. - Agreed
imbigo - I do not know Kurt and Scott personally. I pray they are righteous men so that their prayers will avail much. Thank you for letting us know that you saw Kurt personally yesterday and that he is doing well, an answer to prayer.
mortgageman - I sincerely appreciate your concern that the Holy Word of God Almighty not be abused. May we all be cautious in our use of the precious words of life. That does not mean there is no place for the use of Scripture here - it is just a good reminder to be sure the Holy Word is not falling into abuse.
One clarification - not all of us that are Christians are not being led by the "emotional rethoric of religion". As believers we are called to live our lives by God's truth and His word does address every area of life. You have pointed out that this is not a religious crusade - I am not here to dispute whether it is or not. However, it is a battle, a battle to preserve the liberty this country was founded to provide, the liberty that we as Americans have allowed to be slipped from our grasp by blindly following a regime that has been scamming us for years through fraud and deception. As Christians, we have no other inclination than to turn to God in the midst of any battle. We are not turning this into anything that it was not already, we are simply entering into the battle in the only way we can, in submission to the truth of God's word and in prayer seeking for the direction and guidence of our Commander and Chief.
You said, "Let's all get together and pray for the victims that have been hurt as well." I do not think that I would use the term victims . . . Anyway, I know there are many committed to praying for Kurt and Scott, as I myself am. However, this is a good point for all those disposed to praying - we should be praying for all those involved in this situation, encouraging and lifting one another up. If we are really committed to praying for this battle, the victory and so forth, let's pray for all those involved in the fight.
Fellow Christians - I appreciate the many solid, encouraging comments that have been posted here. Thank you.
To Whom it May Apply - As a Christian, I must say that the vast knowledge of the Scriptures displayed here is in startling contrast to the way some of you personally apply it. Are we not called, as followers of Christ to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of our Master at all times, putting on the character of Christ that our lives may produce the fruit of the Spirit. I do not believe that slinging insults at those who disagree with us fits along the lines of living unto righteousness. Let us take every thought captive to Christ that we would not dishonor Him with a single word that issues forth from us.
To Those Sustaining Losses - I will be praying for you and for your families as you battle to keep your homes. Perhaps, in the face of what you are dealing with, prayer does not seem like much. However, it is the greatest gift I have to give you and the most powerful avenue of change available.
I believe it was Mortgageman that asked for a word of encouragement for those sustaining the heaviest losses. So, I leave you with these words of Jesus: "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30
clearlyspoken,
Well put.....You are 100% currect.
I'm gonna take your advice.
Whoever goes to talk to Scott and in particular, Kurt. Be sure to ask him if he remembers how that CIRCLE MD RANCH TRUST thing worked out for the Smiths up in Wyoming a while back? Wasn't pretty.
It's the same old scam, folks. Set up a trust, put up phony instruments against a debt and then try the bogus legal maneuvers that only delay the inevitable.
In the Dorean scheme, Heineman and Johnson simply refined it to make it more marketable.
It didn't work then against the IRS, it won't work now.
Get your own attorney. Admit you've been had and go after them.
The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com
Judge, if you are so convinced Dorean is a scam, why are they still open? Shouldn't you be speaking with the authorities to have them closed down? They are still open. Seems to me that if the instruments were bogus and their methods were illegal they would be shut down by now. BUT THEY'RE STILL OPEN! How does that work judge? Or does the fact nobody shuts them down blow your theory out of the water.
Swami - the hearing on shutting them down isn't until next week.
Judge, where and when is the hearing? If they really have something concrete to shut them down, why couldn't the FBI shut them down?
It was set for Monday, August 1 at 1:00PM.
The FBI can't shut anything down by themselves. They investigate and can arrest, but they don't prosecute. That's where the United States Attorneys come in. They are the prosecutors.
Since Johnson does not accept the authority of the courts anyway, I suspect he will ignore any ruling and it will be up to the court to order enforcement of it. That could be anything from daily fines for failure to comply or could even mean having the office physically shut down and the parties who refuse to cooperate arrested for contempt or even obstructing justice if they try to conceal something.
Web sites are another issue, IMHO. The order could be used to compel the service provider (hosting company) to take it down, and most ISP's roll over in the face of that kind of document.
If they had competent legal counsel (and Johnson allegedly attempted to reject even the appointed public defender), he or she might attempt to appeal the order, but given the attitudes they've displayed thus far, and the apparent sums of money sloshing around off-shore, I don't expect them to win many arguments, let alone be released on bail.
The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com
It was so awesome to hear Fred Johnson (Kurt's Dad) on the conference call. If that didn't make your faith grow i dont know what can. I am even more convinced that i am on the right side of this and that we are going to come out victorious. Remember, even our Lord Jesus was put in Jail and crucified by those who feared Him (but no one could hold Him in the grave). They had to twist the laws in order to do it because they knew HE was innocent. They knew He was the Truth. And then Peter, and Paul, and others who preached in HIS NAME were put in prison. I like what Bill Cosby said recently: "The truth will either set you free or piss you off". Those who crucified our Lord were the ones who were pissed off at the Truth....but the blind man, and the crippled, and all those who embraced the Truth were set free.
I hope that all of you who believe in this cause and who stand by Kurt, Scott, and TDG will pray more intensly every day until we see victory. Lets ignore the negative bloggers out there....its not worth it. Lets comfort those who are dealing with foreclosure issues and lets give them all the help and instruction we can.
Imbigo,
Amen to that!! This may sound weird to some but i just feel we are right on the brink. We can't give up.
Judge, I'm sorry man.........I just don't think the FEDS got anything on Dorean that will keep the cause and group from stopping what they are trying to do. I guess time will tell which one of us is right, but I think there are a lot of clients that are going to come out of this smelling like a rose.
A Word of Encouragement
To All Soldiers of the Cross.
The battle lines have been drawn. The battle plan is being carried out.
The battle cry has been sounded. Let us continue in courage and faith.
"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him." Isaiah 59:19
"Sound the battle cry! See! The foe is nigh! Raise the standard high for the Lord: gird your armor on, stand firm everyone; rest your cause upon His holy Word.
"Strong to meet the foe, marching on we go, while our cause we know must prevail; shield and banner bright, gleaming in the light, battling for the right we ne'er can fail.
"O thou God of all, hear us when we call, help us one and all by thy grace; when the battle's done, and the vict'ry won, may we wear the crown before thy face.
"Rouse, then, soldiers! Rally 'round the banner! Ready, steady, pass the word along; Onward, forward, shout aloud, hosanna; Christ is Captain of the mighty throng!"
Hymn by William F. Sherwin - 1869
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