Monday, February 05, 2007
Mogel (01-05-07)
I know you have been a staunch supporter over time. It is very much appreciated. There are a few things in which we differ but our agreement on the mortgage fraud is sound. The one thing I can offer you as a hope is that I will not fold my hand. The government does not get their usual free bully pass with Dorean. All the banter and debate will be settled soon enough. You will be remembered in history as a consistent voice of truth. I know you suffer much ridicule but in the end you will be lauded. I am proud of you and look forward to the day when I can sit down with you and show you the whole game plan. Then you will understand our lack of fear and why we needed to suffer this course by allowing government to be themselves. It is wise to bet with unchangeable nature of our foe. You are well aware that people are used to being serfs. You or I can deliver a victory to them and still they will not put their hand to the plow. Keep the faith and I will deliver you victory and those who questioned your integrity without cause will be shamed. Don’t let time concern you. God will assist us in recovery of all damages. See you at the finish line.
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Kurt...let's hope and pray that you are correct. I have been beat up by my friends and family for too long. I would be nice to hear, no see, feel, touch and hand them the results and proof. I have let many to you and suffer as you do. Let's hope you finish soon before I loose everything. I am SW3......
Kaz, it will have no affect on you one way or the other. Kurt and the crew are being prosecuted in a criminal case. Your own personal financial situations and your loan are civil matters and the two cases aren't legally tied together.
The process has been ruled in the Federal civil courts to be a scam. Period. Who perpetrated it has become a criminal matter, but the fact that the process was ruled a scam in Federal civil cases and no appeals have been filed dooms any defense to people trying to get out of a mortgage with it.
For now, you're only out whatever you spent on Dorean unless you stop paying. If you do that, the lender or servicer will eventually come after you and the property and it won't be protected by the bogus trust or process. In fact, the law firms that specialize in foreclosures know about the Dorean process and the will use your participation to demonstrate "unclean hands" in any foreclosure defense you mount. You're far better off admitting you were scammed - at least the courts agree it was that. If you take the goofy legal theory route about banking conspiracies and try to defend something that has already been declared a scam, you're not going to get any sympathy from a court.
The other much less onerous potential includes having a hassle getting the title cleared if you want to sell or refinance, but there is a procedure set up for that by the court.
Best of luck.
Judge,
You know not of justice, nor of what you speak. Just because some dishonest judge refuses the right to a fair unbiased civil trial, doesn't reflect anything other than a corrupt judicial system. The civil trials have been based on opinion, as is the whole judicial system in this country, while completely ingoring truth and law.
You speak of popular opinion, and not of truth. Your voice however is very much appreciated.
Thanks for your concern and "voice of reason."
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Mogel, it's good to see that others notice all the study you put in - good going!!!!!!!
"judge" Dispensing drink and justice from behind your bar?
Good boy, Moogie!
Yeah, don't let time concern you.
LOL
Hey Neomouth,
Speeking of time, I was wondering how much more is there left before that BK of your's comes off your credit file?
You know it was just a thought that came to mind being how your so interested in everyone else busniness and like to interject little smartass shoots about theirs. It might be nice to know when the public dos'nt have to be reminded that it paid your bill's for you, or at least get some idea of when it can expect your next write off!
Fric-in free ride-tard
LOL
When the time comes anyone want's to hear your little smartass comments I'm sure you'll feel it by some strain on that pea brain being over worked.
Get a life why don't you and seee if there's something constructive you can be doing for a change.
I know how about taking class at the adult ED in money mang. for starter's.
LOL!
Hey Neomouth,
Speeking of time, I was wondering how much more is there left before that BK of your's comes off your credit file?
You know it was just a thought that came to mind being how your so interested in everyone else busniness and like to interject little smartass shoots about theirs. It might be nice to know when the public dos'nt have to be reminded that it paid your bill's for you, or at least get some idea of when it can expect your next write off!
Fric-in free ride-tard
LOL
When the time comes anyone want's to hear your little smartass comments I'm sure you'll feel it by some strain on that pea brain being over worked.
Get a life why don't you and seee if there's something constructive you can be doing for a change.
I know how about taking class at the adult ED in money mang. for starter's.
LOL!
As for you old Roy Bean the fact are as you said, not yet appealed so the out come here in the criminal case dose have it's wroth in the civil case and when that time come's will be used know doubt. It's stupid to think anyone would stand before the likes of Alsup or any of the court's involved today with anything less than a public out crying of support in your favor shown by the the ones who sit on their benches and carry out one sided sentancing bought (did I say that what I ment was ) brought on by pressure to yeild in favor where power's may have an interest.
In other words if you want to stand before a judge such as the likes of Alsup or a wanta-be such as yourself who is known to be a mindless jackass.
Let me ask you somthing, on your web page you have a long list of lenderand other in that business that you have posted as being know good or underhaned in their dealings right ?
this being true aqnd for the most paet something we can agree on brings me to my question.
How do you think one should go about getting back the loses from their dealings with these on your list? Or is the list all that you have to offer as a means to recover the hundereds of thousands that are taken from home owners everyday in the whats become to be the normal day to day excepted way to do business for brokers and lenders alike?
try and find some real recourse in this arena and then tell me how by whatever mean out there these guys don't have it coming to them in kind for what they have done under the so called service they proclaim to offer the public.
fact how Isee it the public would be far better off ifthey were closed down everyone of them or at least a good 99% are snakes and spend more time trying to get the info out of you that will yeils them the most of you money . And they sit there and say there would'nt be people in home ownership if it was'nt for them and what they do. I know of none and I mean none of any other business that has to hide and bullshit their customers to make a buck and to do so with all the backing of the Gov't to help them.
the fact is they do nothing more than push paper and try and hide how the whole thing work's so they can keep on stealing.
so tell me judge being how you like to spout off about the right and wrong around here , what recourse do you have that would help the average working class guy to get the money that has been taken. by loan flipping and pred lending or just plan old over pricing cause they tested the water and know someone isgot there back against the wall?
Snake the only ones I know of that look you ion the eyes , call you buddy well reaching in your pocket to steal your wallet all at the sametime.
and remember this is done with the hekp and suport of the Gov't .
I'm all ears with pen in hand waitting for your responce and list of people that will help get the right thing done about the bank's and the whole lot of them that work in that feild.
youy know what Iasking for right?
I'll wait!
judge boy ream: was he an owner or renter??
Ky - The answer for now is for people to learn how to avoid being taken advantage of before they sign up for a loan, especially a mortgage loan. Until Washington decides to stop listening to the lobbyists, there aren't going to be any significant changes in lending laws or regulations so as borrowerhelp.com's founder said, "the burden of vigilance is entirely on the borrower."
You'll notice on the blog there are several links to other resources. Start with the National Association of Consumer Advocates (naca.net), the Coalition for Mortgage Reform (mortgagereform.org) and borrowerhelp.com.
My reasons for exposing things like the Dorean group are based on the fact that people getting in trouble with their loans get desperate and they'll turn to almost anything to change their future, including scam artists.
The victims of Johnson's scheme were hoping they'd be able to get out of their mortgage through Dorean, and the foolishness of it only makes it harder for anyone with a legitimate complaint to get someone to listen after they've tried something illegal.
Byron Gashler asked: "...since you admit it's the Buyer that MUST be vigilant, isn't the agreement voidable in the very least if not void accoding to the main basics & principals of contract law?"
No. There are a very select number of causes under which a mortgage loan can be rescinded or ruled void. None of which give the borrower the property - the parties are, for the most part, set back to their respective conditions just prior to the closing.
Then he asked: "And if that's the case, why is it such a far reach to say that the Dorean Process is not a scam but a legitimate challenge?"
It's not the case (see above answer) and the Dorean process is not a legitimate "challenge." It is a scam. You continue to try and promote it so you are a scam promoter. You are fundamentally dishonest.
The whole intent of the Dorean process was to make money for the promoters. It had nothing to do with uncovering or exposing alleged banking and lending secrets. That was and is just part of selling the scam to the faithful participants who liked to believe in such conspiracy theories. Their ignorance and gullibility caught up with them. Some lost a lot more than just the payments to the Dorean brokers.
re: Indictments. Your legal ignorance is even more clearly demonstrated in your allegation that no one high up in the lending industry has been indicted. They certainly won't be for any of the utterly specious legal theories you promote, because those deliberate distortions and lies about lending law are part of your scam.
Also, indictments are only issued by grand juries who have been presented with evidence sufficient for them to determine that a crime may have been committed. Someone engaged in perfectly legal lending activity is not going to be indicted because your bogus interpretation of the law isn't followed, let alone recognized.
By the way, courts are secular institutions, Byron. Your fixation on the religious red-herring is nothing more than the same ruse Kurt likes to hide behind to keep the faithful "victims" from coming after him and the brokers for their damages.
Hi Mogel..You definately know a lot. I was hoping you could direct me to a bank which accepts BOEs. I have been working w/ a sovereign and he wants to pay in the form of a BOE. I would appreciate any help you could give. Thanks!!!
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