Now that the verdict has been entered and the simpletons have danced the jig saluting their brilliance I'm certain an examination of my words is happening from both sides. It has been said that the Jews seek a sign, and that the Greeks look to wisdom, but God is seeking faith. Go over my words and see if you can find fault. See if there are signs, wisdom, or things that can be opposites. That does not solve your perplexity. You have heard me talk of deadlines that have come and gone and now you want to use that as evidence that the victory is false? Let me explain the walk of faith a man must journey. God tells you that you must cross those mountains before you because on the other side I will bring you to a valley of peace and goodness. You know the trip will be difficult and that the promise is true so you choose in faith to head towards the mountain range. At first glance and with calculations of speed and geography a man says these mountains will be upon me at this time. As he approaches the mountains and is excited by his eminent reach to the pinnacle he arrives at the top of the mountain to discover unseen ranges still ahead of him. Faith got him to the mountain top not a sign or wisdom. At the top the faith that got him there inspires him to finish the course he started even though it is longer than his eyes had envisioned. Don't look to my words as the gospel I am just a man faithing. Look to the Lord and confirm with Him if my faith is justified. Do you want to look to these retards on here for their wisdom? Where is their faith? God is looking for faith not words. Examine my faith and see if you find fault. If you do not let it inspire your faith and let us walk the walk together. You see God deliberately confounds the wise with the foolishness of Christ and refuses to give any sign except Himself. He has already proven He disguises victory in defeat. There are too many examples in the bible for me to reiterate. The scriptures are replete with these examples and if you can't find them you are lazy.
I have told you all along I don't need a client's understanding, a juror's understanding, or the press. All I need is my special training that none of you could afford if I charged you its going rate. I have had to protect every one of you from your ignorance and I can say not one of you are exempted from this statement. God equips those whom He calls and faith would recognize that though wisdom would miss it. Others looking for a sign also would miss it. You now know this beyond a shadow of doubt that I would risk my life for the truth. Silly platitudes about drinking kool-aid won't change the evidence. I never took a lawyer, stood on my own face to face with the villain. No client's were there except to volunteer to their own worst interest. No champions were there for me to rely on. No bankers were there to prove me wrong. I stood under the threat of 30 years and am now convicted to finish what I started. For what? Your thousand dollars! Can you really believe that? I have a genius level IQ and experience with a fraud prosecution and resources of knowledge most people don't possess and you think I would sit around and face off with this bully to prove what? If I was the crook convenient to the simpleton mind on here I would have raised my prices, pushed harder for the refinances, not used a trust, not trickled into the market and would have done a mad dash of fraud and a mad dash exit to luxury and no one would have been able to stop me or catch me. I chose on December 2, 2004 when judge Alsup posed his challenge to come to battle for the whole enchilada. One of us was going to be the carpet for the other. He was going to bet that he and all his soldiers were going to make his Humpty-Dumpty plans come together in the end, and I was going to bet they couldn't. Now most of you think he has won and I ask you where your faith is. Stop trusting in your wisdom it will make you look like a fool. Find the faith of Christ and see past the wonderland projection before you. Isn't that what Christians do?
This world, this system, and the devil are all a lie and through Christ we can see past it all to reality, to truth. Now to those of you who are prayers and faithers with me I still call on you to faith. Don't even waste your time on praying according to your understanding. None of you understand the legal system like I do and can't imagine why I see victory approaching when it looks like defeat has already arrived. Pray for all our faith to be strengthened and for God to prove Himself upon the reluctant. Let us all make our boast in Him. Study the word, study the mortgage industry, study banking as it is today, and study the human spirit including your own. That is wisdom when applied through faith that can net you some understanding. Fear not for me, I am excited. I wanted the guilty verdict because I want the ultimate victory. Judge Bean Head is right about one thing when he says that certain things have been adjudicated already. If I don't go beyond the fraud that obtained those judgments I will be subject to them. I know the fraud, and I know the remedy. That understanding is kid's play and I have always been about a very sophisticated plan. All my mentors are dead now and I stand alone as the one with the knowledge. I look to no one who understands what I am doing though many have some understanding. I am a trustee, a professional trustee, a committed trustee, and one who knows your business better than you'll ever know it even if you sit under my teaching for years. So in the end if you think I am finished enjoy the thought for a little while. If you think I'm not and are still concerned, pray. If you know through faith where I’m going, then start dancing and praising the Lord for His deliverance is thorough and joyous.
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“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:1-2, 14)
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
The good news is, compared to an eternity in the presence of God, this lifetime is but a fleeting moment.
God Bless and good luck.
Poor Kurt, doesn’t need anyone but his own wonderful self. The rest of the world can just go eat dirt, they don’t recognize his magnificence. Special training???? Well I suppose that license plates take special training. It’s true you have experience with fraud prosecution, you are a two time loser now, good track record there Kurt. More like 30 years a charge, your math is as bad as your morals. Yep, you’re such a genius you’re facing maybe 800 hears in prison, way to go there Einstein. Right Kurt, just like you planned to have the jury return a verdict of guilty on all counts in about six hours, really good planning there. That’s right, none of us understand the legal system the way you do, must be why we’re not in jail or facing life in prison for fraud, yep, you really understand the legal system alright. That victory you see approaching, is the bus coming to haul your sorry ass off to the federal prison that you will call home for the rest of your useless life. Delirious maybe, panicked more likely since your tissue of lies has been well and truly shredded. Sure you wanted a guilty verdict, just like you promised this would never go to trial because of your vaunted legal knowledge. All BS all the time. The problem is that the bull is dead. You lost civilly, you lost the criminal trial, and you are going to jail, real victory there. Poor Kurt, all alone, alone with his crimes, alone with his failures, all alone, no body cares. Poor Kurt, all alone.
ND with the little tiny Penis I bet Kurt and Scott get out of all this.
Kurt, this is the best post so far. My faith has exploded today because of your words (faith comes by hearing). I really appreciate you man.
I am absolutely concinced that G-d knows exactly what He's doing and that He has picked the right man to use as an instrument for His glory. You are right, you have been prepared for this time.
The Father has been waking me up the last 2 nights to pray. Each time i could hear him shout my name and it woke me out of sleep. I know He has me praying about this specificlly.
This is an exciting time!
Notarial Dissent said: "It’s true you have experience with fraud prosecution, you are a two time loser now, good track record there Kurt."
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Don't you know it's a LOSER'S MENTALITY WHEN YOU DWELL ON DEFEATS? You are showing your loser's mentality, Notarial Dissent. You've inspired no one, you have only served as a critic or a Judge, not as a warrior who has taken on a great risk. Of course, you must criticize Kurt & Scott because honestly as you look yourself in the mirror, YOU COULD NEVER DO WHAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO DO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE FORTITUTE OR THE WHERE WITH ALL TO UNSETTLE YOUR SIMPLE LIFE. "You have been measured, and you have been found lacking" by your mere simple narrow minded criticism.
As most people know Evil Kenevial died yesterday; he was only 69, but as they gave tribute to him, he was most remembered FOR HIS DEFEATS, like his crash in Ceasers Palace & his dive into the snake river canyon in Idaho. But his defeats, didn't phase or discourage Mr. Kanevil in any material way.
Likewise a true winner or a true champion wants to truly accomplish what he envisons, & the defeats along the way DO NOT DETER HIM. That IS THE WINNER'S SPIRIT. How can anyone in good faith, NOT BE ATTRACTED TO A WINNERS MENTALITY AND SPIRIT and pay homage to that, rather than to crush it.
Agree with Kurt & Scott or not, it's up to you, but to call him a loser is absurd!!!
Notarial Dissent, what you see as weakness, I see as strength. He who laughs last always laughs best and laughs the longest anyway. The patience and will of a champion knows no bounds.
When others say it can't be done, I say why not!!!!! I could care less about my track record; it's meaningless to a true champion.
The greatest truths are always the simplest to understand. You need not to explain. Those of us who know you,know that you know we don' just live in a world of purely sight,sound, rules and regulation. God will always amaze and confound the wise as well the fools and jesters.Peace be with you both.
Yeah, but only a child genius would cancel a mortgage contract for fraud then turn around and refinance the same house for another fraudulent mortgage contract. Only a dumb criminal would think the time spent doing that would not be short lived. Only a dumb criminal would think the criminal government would in time forgive and forget all that.
We appreciate what you did Kurt, but we would have respected you more had you been a smarter criminal.
Why you all listen to that nitwit.
Excuse me, I got to go the bathroom. ND stickin his head in the bowl.
See
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Poopoo do these oxymorons:
"mortgage contract"
"smarter criminal"
"cancelling mortgage contract"
"criminal government"
"appreciation disrespect" or "crime appreciation"
Course it really wasn't a "refinance", it was a cashout of equity, taking what was ours anyway. When is that ever a crime to take or use something that is your own ?
Ask any mortgage broker, a "refinance" presupposes there is a valid existing balance owed on the property. If not, it's not a "refinance", it's considered an equity cash out, and you pay a higher interest rate for that, so it can't be the same thing.
Poo poo said: "Only a dumb criminal would think the time spent doing that would not be short lived."
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And that applies to Kurt & Scott how? They both knew and even told people that truly believed the Dorean business would be short lived, over a year before the FBI raid, so poo poo to your own ignorance.
Translation of poo poo:
Yes Kurt we RESPECT YOU by showing our disgust, distain, and our criticism, but we would respect you more had your criminal activities never have been found out, and we could have gotten our ill gotten gains steathily in secret. I was not only a client, but I bought into the company and I was also a stupid criminal.
Notarial Dissent: Inquiring minds would like to know: What takes more patience:
(1) Teaching a pig to sing?
OR
(2) Waiting for a Dorean Victory?
Notarial Dissent said: "800 HEARS IN PRISON? My, that does sound serious!
I've had 800 hears from Notarial Dissent already, and I'm already fed up.
notarial "dysentary" as in "diarrhea"
Byron,
My how you talk the talk...endlessly.
Now, show what you are made of...pick up the gauntlet, demand YOUR day in court.
I'll wait while you crawl out of your armchair, warrior.
Mogel007 said...:
":They both knew and even told people that truly believed the Dorean business would be short lived, over a year before the FBI raid"
Yes, they did say that, but what they didn't tell you was that they believed they were going to come out the winner at the end of that short period, not the loser.
The feds were suppose to surrender, not the other way around.
And Moogey made mouth noises Don't you know it's a LOSER'S MENTALITY WHEN YOU DWELL ON DEFEATS?
I’m sorry Moogs, what defeats would that be?? I was thinking more of the victory of justice over venality, right over wrong, truth over fraud, sense over insensibility, good over evil, you get the drift.
I will admit that Kurt is an inspiration, an inspiration to every low level cretin with a get rich quick scam to see how much money they can get away with from the dim and bewildered, or as poster boy for what not to grow up to be, but great warrior, give it up Moogs, the only risk the dim duo ever took was with other people’s money and getting caught by their greed, they can’t even make it as fraudsters, no one cares. The only thing the dim duo are is an sterling example of what not to grow up to be. FYI Moogs the word is “fortitude” with a “d”, I will give you this, I’m not into defrauding desperate people who are too stupid and too desperate to know better by telling them a bunch of out and out lies, and pretending I was doing something on their behalf when all I was doing was separating them from their money and helping them to lose their homes. You’re quite right, I just simply do not believe in cheating people, unlike your heros.
Moogey, a true winner is someone who works for an honest living, pays their bills, does what they can for their family, friends, and people they don’t even know, and never thinks about how to get someone else’s money. A true champion, is someone who does that every day of their life regardless of how much or how little they are making, they still try and do things for people. A true hero lives his religion or beliefs, and doesn’t try to hide behind a smokescreen of religion to justify their venality.
If dim and dimmer are your idea of role models then you are truly sorrier than even I thought. Kurt and Scott are losers of the first magnitude, and no window dressing by you will ever change that.
Moogey finds another lie to live by Course it really wasn't a "refinance", it was a cashout of equity, taking what was ours anyway. When is that ever a crime to take or use something that is your own ?
That’s it Moogs, and next you can equate theft to gift and then you’ll have all your justifications. You can call it what you want, but skunkcabbage is still skunkcabbage. The refinance was a fraud, just like all the rest of the Dorean nonsense. You can equate jail sentence to vacation, but it won’t change the fact that the dim duo are going away for a very long time, and it won’t be any picnic.
Moogey makes a funny Notarial Dissent: Inquiring minds would like to know: What takes more patience:
(1) Teaching a pig to sing?
OR
(2) Waiting for a Dorean Victory?
Neither, since neither will ever happen.
Moogey tries again ”800 HEARS IN PRISON”
Oh my, I made a typo, I am distraught, I am destroyed, I shall never type again.
quoting neodemes Now, show what you are made of...pick up the gauntlet, demand YOUR day in court.
What, the Moogster stick his neck out, and actually do something besides talk, yeah right, the pig will sing sooner.
My prayer for today:
Lord, deliver me from such exalted knowledge, humility, gifts, and skills, but most of all such Victories as it has been your wont to bestow upon your great and powerful warrior, Kurt.
Poo poo said: "Yes, they did say that, but what they didn't tell you was that they believed they were going to come out the winner at the end of that short period, not the loser.
The feds were suppose to surrender, not the other way around."
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I don't ever recall hearing the wording "short period", nor do I believe the wording was ever that the "feds were suppose to surrender".
It is still believed that they will come out the winner in the end, & the end is not here, so poo poo to your last comment.
Either you believe the Dorean Group has "the remedy", or you don't. Obviously you don't. Your faith is now dead, and at it's "end".
Notarial Dissent says:"and never thinks about how to get someone else’s money. A true champion, is someone who does that every day of their life"
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Oh really? Sounds like a "putz" to me. Someone that gives away his knowledge for free every day.
So how does a champion like this, pay his bills, when HE WORKS FOR FREE EVERY DAY NEVER THINKING ABOUT GETTING PAID?
Nemo said: "What, the Moogster stick his neck out, and actually do something besides talk, yeah right, the pig will sing sooner."
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Don't you know I'M SAVED by Kurt's grace? It's not about my works, or anything I do, lest I boast. The "dorean remedy" of grace will save me from my mortgage, irregardless of my own works, so I don't need to file anything in court.
I always thought YOU of all people knowing that YOUR OWN SALVATION IS SECURED, would appreciate this concept. I guess I was mistaken.
I don't ever recall hearing the wording "short period", nor do I believe the wording was ever that the "feds were suppose to surrender".
You didn't ever recall hearing the wording because you weren't standing next to me. The words Kurt actually used was 2 years, not "short period." Sorry about that, Mr. Anal. And they did not expect to lose.
"It is still believed that they will come out the winner in the end, & the end is not here, so poo poo to your last comment."
The answer will appear when you stop believing. Try it.
"Either you believe the Dorean Group has "the remedy", or you don't. Obviously you don't. Your faith is now dead, and at it's "end"."
My faith is never at end. Fraud should be pursued until it ends. Never should you give up - never ever - not until you free of it.
Poo poo said: "The answer will appear when you stop believing. Try it."
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Hey that's funny because just today I wrote down a quote:
"By PASSIONATELY believing in something that doesn't exist, we CREATE IT."
Nemo said: "What, the Moogster stick his neck out, and actually do something besides talk, yeah right, the pig will sing sooner."
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Dr. Doolittle: We both know ASSES CAN TALK, at our own embarassment, "for the Bible tells me so".
Animal experts say PIGS ARE SMARTER THAN most 4 legged creatures, so, I wouldn't say a pig WON'T EVER be able to talk or sing ever.
Just another example that your faith isn't even as large as a mustard seed, and that seed is smaller than your...... according to what I've been told.
"By PASSIONATELY believing in something that doesn't exist, we CREATE IT."
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It is not possible to believe in something that DOES NOT EXIST. What you believe ALREADY exists. No need to believe in it.
"By PASSIONATELY believing in something that doesn't exist, we CREATE IT."
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Yeah, by PASSIONATELY believing in something that DOESN'T EXIST, you CREATE something that DOES NOT EXIST.
How dumb is that?
"Come on Pauli, come out, come out wherever you are."
"Ive got some milk and cookies for you."
"Everything will be OK."
U.S. JUDGE ISSUES A WARRANT FOR PAULSON’S ARREST
PAULSON SERVED, SAYS HE WILL PAY, THEN FAILS TO DO SO
Sunday 2 December 2007 01:12
TREASURY SECRETARY OPENLY BOASTS THAT ‘BUSH CANNOT FIRE ME’
SUGGESTION THAST PAULSON MAY BE BLACKMAILING PRESIDENT BUSH
'BASLE II' ON-THE-BOOKS REGIME STARTED UP ON 1ST DECEMBER 2007
WITH NO WANTA PAYMENT, U.S. MONEY CENTER BANKS ARE BUST
mogel007 said...
Nemo said: "What, the Moogster stick his neck out, and actually do something besides talk, yeah right, the pig will sing sooner."
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If you get your head out of your ass, you might be able to follow who is saying what.
frickin' 'tard
LOL
"If you get your head out of your ass, you might be able to follow who is saying what.
frickin' 'tard
LOL"
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This person is a 'Christian'??....Why do you post stuff like this and then next you'll cut and paste G-d's Holy Word?
OK Pauli, enough playing games. Come on out now and give up the codes.
If you dont give up the codes, do you know what they will do to you?
Ever hear of waterboarding?
LOL
SATURDAY AFTERNOON: NO PAYMENT, PAULSON VANISHES
At 4.00pm EDT on Saturday 1st December, no payment had been forthcoming, and the Treasury Secretary had disappeared. He was therefore being sought by law enforcement, DOD Internal Affairs, and even the CIA’s own agents (who have said that if found, he will be waterboarded fortwith) all over the place. He was to be arrested if he could not provide immediate concrete documentary proof that the Wanta payment has been made, triggering the country and Tier 1-10 payments. The participation of the CIA in requiring the payment indicates that a ‘tipping point’ has taken place, with the CIA now furious that payments are being delayed and no longer (at least not this weekend) trying to undermine the Ambassador’s party with the kind of confused disinformation we had to expose in the preceding report.
:You cant run, and you cant hide.
The United States is not a safe country for refugees, the [Canadian]
Federal Court said Thursday as it ruled that Canada will no longer have
the right to turn back asylum seekers at the border.
Moogey showing his true character Oh really? Sounds like a "putz" to me. Someone that gives away his knowledge for free every day.
Ya know Moogs, somehow I just sort of knew that would be your answer, sorry to have been right.
Moogey misquoting-I know big shock So how does a champion like this, pay his bills, when HE WORKS FOR FREE EVERY DAY NEVER THINKING ABOUT GETTING PAID?
Not even close to what I said, not even a good cut and paste, getting sloppy.
Moogs showing his true self Don't you know I'M SAVED by Kurt's grace?
My, hypocrisy and idolatry all rolled up into one, keep em coming Moogs, you haven’t many left to go.
poopoo said... "feds were suppose to surrender"
Along with “it’ll never come to trial”, “we have a sure fire administrative remedy”, “we’ll be out in six weeks”, “the banking industry will collapse”, “free and clear”, “moral and ethical”, to name a few Doreanism. All of which have come to pass. Don’t be too hard on Moogey, he never met a prevarication he didn’t like or try, and he’s told so many different versions by now he can’t help it if his memory fails him, along with his morals.
quoting Neodemes about Moogems If you get your head out of your ass, you might be able to follow who is saying what.
He’s got too many eggs in the air, and they all keep coming back down on his face, so he can’t tell which one is in play at any given time. The problem is they are all rotten, and all coming home to roost.
Poo Poo said: Yeah, by PASSIONATELY believing in something that DOESN'T EXIST, you CREATE something that DOES NOT EXIST.
How dumb is that?
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Most people may say things exist because they can sense it with one of their 5 senses. If a victory can't be seen, or visualized, or felt, they say it doesn't exist because all of their 5 senses tell you something else. My reality is not your reality.
Kurt said: "As he approaches the mountains and is excited by his eminent reach to the pinnacle he arrives at the top of the mountain to DISCOVER UNSEEN ranges still ahead of him."
If it's unseen, can it still exist, but it may not exist in someone else's reality.
Victory doesn't always exist by one of the 5 senses, but that doesn't necessary mean that victory doesn't exist because it can't be sensed by the normal senses you exercise.
If there is more than a 3rd dimension, even though in YOUR EXPERIENCE OR YOUR REALITY, it doesn't exist, CAN A 4TH DIMENSION STILL EXIST APART FROM YOU? Can you passionately find that 4th dimension THROUGH EXERCISING ENOUGH FAITH, WHERE ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE?
And no, I didn't learn this principle by watching Sesame Street or Judge Judy.
Nemo said: "If you get your head out of your ass, you might be able to follow who is saying what."
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AS long as you are saying "amen" to what other idiots say, you are in agreement with them, and as far as I'm concerned, since you are a kindred mind & spirit of BS, you're all one and the same to me. I find it difficult to differentiate since it's the same old worn out song and you're all off key.
I'm looking forward to hearing the pig sing. Maybe the pig can even dance too.
I could care less about time frames that haven't come to pass as anticipated or even believed, stated, or any scenarios that didn't turn out as expected or hoped for. All I need to understand is victory is certain. Everything else to know accurately is just icing on the cake, & I don't need it.
moogie maintains:
"All I need to understand is victory is certain."
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Alrighty then.
Hope springs eternal.
Do let me know how that turns out for you.
TTFN
In other words, all he has left are his delusions. Poor things that they are.
Must be a real gray world out there for you Moogs.
Moogie said: "Most people may say things exist because they can sense it with one of their 5 senses. If a victory can't be seen, or visualized, or felt, they say it doesn't exist because all of their 5 senses tell you something else. My reality is not your reality."
Beliefs are made of stuff you carry around inside your being. Although you cannot see a belief, you can feel it or imagine it; therefore it ALREADY exists. The sixth sense operates outside of or despite beliefs. Beliefs only get in the way of new discoveries.
Kurt,
Ian from Details magazine here again. Would really like to hear your side of the story.
You can reach me 10am-6pm EST at 212.630.3843. Or write me at ian_daly@condenast.com. Time is tight, unfortunately. But please let me know the best way to get in touch.
-ian
Poo Poo said: "Beliefs only get in the way of new discoveries."
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You must believe that the Dorean victory is certain than, since IT EXISTS, and IS REAL, since it can be felt in one's internal being, since it is real in Kurt & Scott's vision, except that you just can't see it or feel it.
You must also admit that the Dorean process & victory must not be a "new discovery than" since you admit it is "REAL". So why are you looking for something that is new to save you? It's as if you are looking for a new status quo. Isn't the remedy already in place to effectuate if it's real?
Sounds like a personal problem of yours than to me, in regards to your lack of vision.
ian; call Kurts Dad at 408-866-8625 his name is Fred. His business is called Improved Tasks.
Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes
knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road
would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on
the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather a round and
eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up.
Hence the custom of holding a wake. England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to
bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-
house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins
were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been
burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse,
lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell.
Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard
shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, saved by the bell or
was considered a ...dead ringer. And that's the truth... Now, whoever said History was boring?! Educate someone.
1 out of 25 coffins
were found to have scratch marks on the inside.
WHAT!??
Sorry about that ole chap. I'll make sure that you're really dead next time. Later...
The impact of authorized users status on accounts in determining people's credit scores:
There is one MAJOR catch that FICO failed to mention - them and the credit bureaus are in COURT!!
Can you say "conflict of interest"? That's right! The bureaus CANNNOT install the new FICO08 scoring model into credit bureau computers until the case has been handled, and at the rate they are going, the new credit bureau update may not EVER be installed.
As a result, you STILL have the power to raise your credit scores as much as 100 or more points very quickly.
Freezing of interest rates, for a number of years as a solution to solve the mortgage crisis:
http://news.yahoo.com/
s/ap/20071203/ap_on_bi_ge/
mortgage_crisis
mogel007 said...
Freezing of interest rates, for a number of years as a solution to solve the mortgage crisis:
http://news.yahoo.com/
s/ap/20071203/ap_on_bi_ge/
mortgage_crisis
YEAH! How genrous of the Fed. They will freeze interest rates where they are. LOL!
After they bankrupt/foreclose on just about everybody, anyone lucky enough to have made it this far will get a very little break. Yeah, about as little as, well, its been mentioned by some here as a "lightswitch."
And this doesnt say anything about even if interest rates went to 0%, how are you going to pay back the principal if you arent working as there are virtually no jobs anymore?
Well, maybe thats all there really is right now, virtual jobs. You know, just hanging around playing with your...computer typing on blogs. Or maybe even looking for those mythical High-Yield Investment Plans.
Right!
Why not just wait for Santa Claus? He will be coming soon too!
I'm glad my house is paid for.
Regarding the Liberty Coins:
Notorial lackofsense dissent wrote..
They had never been proven legal, and or had any such statement been sought for the reason that they knew they were too close to legal coinage to be noticed. and, he writes, "They are no more legal now than when they started."
And The feds own statement...
In 1999 the Secret Service, the investigative arm of the US Treasury investigated the Liberty Dollar certificates and determined that while the company might be a thorn in the side of the government, the certificates they peddled as barter currency could not be construed as "counterfeit money" or a scam since NORFED had sufficient silver on deposit to redeem the certificates they issued. A statement to that affect was issued by Claudia Dickens, a spokeswoman for the US Bureau of Engraving and Printing at the time. She said, "There's NOTHING ILLEGAL about this. As long as it doesn't say legal tender, there's nothing wrong with it."
lol notorial, just keep typing whatever things suit the fantasyworld of make believe you live in!
:)
what you are trying to express is that it was NEVER PROVEN 'ILLEGAL.
"The unlimited emission of bank paper has banished all [Great Britain's] specie, and is now, by a depreciation acknowledged by her own statesmen, carrying her rapidly to bankruptcy, as it did France, as it did us, and WILL DO US AGAIN, and every country permitting [debt-backed] paper to be circulated."
Thomas Jefferson, 1813
Notarial Dissent said: "They are no more legal now than when they started."
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YOU MEAN, NOTARIAL DISSENT PURPOSELY LIED, AND IS A LIAR IN FACT? iMGAINE THAT?
According to the Wall Street journal: "Many lenders charged subprime mortgage interest rates, WHEN IN FACT THE BORROWER QUALIFIED FOR FAVORABLE INTEREST RATES."
That gives new meaning to a FICO score. LOL
Strat blathered in an attempt to shore up an indefensible position by purporting to quote a Treasury source the certificates they peddled as barter currency could not be construed as "counterfeit money" or a scam since NORFED had sufficient silver on deposit to redeem the certificates they issued.
By all means, publish the source of that statement, however, that was not the topic of discussion, and not what I said. I said that the “Libbies” were not legal, I never mentioned anything about the warehouse receipts, although while on first glance they may have skated close to legal, attempting to use them as currency would have been a violation. Since I do have the Treasury letter stating that the “Libbies” were NOT legal and that was what I was talking about, nice try, but do try actually reading what is written next time, it won't make you look like quite as big a fool as we already know you to be.
what you are trying to express is that it was NEVER PROVEN 'ILLEGAL.
What I said, and what I meant was that under the statute the “Libbies” qualify as counterfeit, the fact that the government seized them under that statute says they think they were too, and a judge and jury will have no problem with it either. However, von Nuthouse has bigger problems than an utterance charge facing him, the money laundering charges carry far more time and are more severe. He is in a great deal of trouble that he isn’t going to get out of.
Moogey tries again and proves that he can’t read either YOU MEAN, NOTARIAL DISSENT PURPOSELY LIED, AND IS A LIAR IN FACT? iMGAINE THAT?
I reported exactly what the letter from the Treasury said, funny part is that it was on von Nutbert’s website, he apparently can’t read plain English either. The letter state quite plainly that the “coins” are anything but legal. Von Nutbert received several warnings both from the Treasury and the Mint, all of which warned him he was breaking the law, he chose not to listen. He got raided, seized, and closed down, and will eventually be going to jail, and his clients are going to be flapping around out in the breeze with nothing to show for their paper.
Your problem Moogs, is that I don’t have to make anything up, I can find the real articles and legal quotes, where you have to resort to making them up as you go and twisting things to suit your current delusion. Won’t get you any further than it got dim and dimmer. The courts and legal authorities go by the real definitions of things and the laws as they are written, not as you would like to believe they are.
hey guy, now you want to believe that you have more credibility than the US mint?
lol
oh, now thats not what you said?
ok guy
:)
you might want to stick to commenting on topics that dont make you look foolish
She said... "There's NOTHING ILLEGAL about this. As long as it doesn't say legal tender, there's nothing wrong with it."
Here is the US Mint position:
The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code (NORFED) is producing and marketing gold and silver medallions that NORFED calls "Liberty Dollars." The United States Mint and the United States Department of Justice have received inquiries regarding the legality of these so-called "Liberty Dollar" medallions. The United States Mint urges consumers who are considering the purchase or use of these items to be aware that they are not genuine United States Mint bullion coins and they are not legal tender. These medallions are privately produced products and are not backed by, nor affiliated in any way with, the United States Government. Moreover, prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime.
Consumers may find advertisements for these medallions confusing and should take note of several issues related to them.
First, the advertisements refer to the product as "real money" and "currency." These medallions might look like real money because they—
Bear the inscriptions, "Liberty," "Dollars," "Trust in God" (similar to "In God We Trust"), and "USA" (similar to "United States of America"), and an inscription purporting to denote the year of production; and
Depict images that are similar to United States coins, such as the torch on the reverses of the current dime coin, 1986 Statute of Liberty commemorative silver dollar and 1993 Bill of Rights commemorative half-dollar, and the Liberty Head designs on the obverses of United States gold coins from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s.
However, despite their misleading appearance, NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions are not genuine United States Mint coins and they are not legal tender.
Second, the advertisements confusingly refer to NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as "legal" and "constitutional." However, under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ), Congress has the exclusive power to coin money of the United States and to regulate its value. By statute ( 31 U.S.C. § 5112(a) ), Congress specifies the coins that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to mint and issue and requires the Secretary to carry out these duties at the United States Mint (31 U.S.C. § 5131). Accordingly, the United States Mint is the only entity in the United States with the lawful authority to mint and issue legal tender United States coins.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 486, it is a Federal crime to utter or pass, or attempt to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver intended for use as current money except as authorized by law. According to the NORFED website, "Liberty merchants" are encouraged to accept NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions and offer them as change in sales transactions of merchandise or services. Further, NORFED tells "Liberty associates" that they can earn money by obtaining NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions at a discount and then can "spend [them] into circulation." Therefore, NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with the circulating coinage of the United States. Consequently, prosecutors with the United States Department of Justice have concluded that the use of NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions violates 18 U.S.C. § 486.
Here's the rub, it's about COMPETITION:
NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and TO COMPETE with the circulating coinage of the United States.
THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS COMPETITION WITH THEIR AGENDA, A DIRTY THING & ILLEGAL. They even ADMIT THAT. LOL
And most people think that COMPETITION IS ENCOURAGED IN THIS COUNTRY and protected by government. LOL
COMPETITION IS NOT AMERICAN AFTER ALL. LOL
exactly. they said it themselves, the govt doesn't like competiton!
You must also admit that the Dorean process & victory must not be a "new discovery than" since you admit it is "REAL". So why are you looking for something that is new to save you? It's as if you are looking for a new status quo. Isn't the remedy already in place to effectuate if it's real?
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Sounds like a personal problem to me. It was you who confessed that you were looking for something new to save you when you said, "when you PASSIONATELY believe in something that DOES NOT EXIST, you CREATE IT.
Don't talk to me anymore, moog. You are now making stuff up to cover up the fact that you don't know what you are trying to say.
bye bye.
UPDATE, 4TH DECEMBER 2007:
As reported below, the warrant issued for Paulson's arrest on Friday was a 'performance' warrant (subject to performance). Quick as a flash, having advised the Judge, on being served the warrant, that he (Paulson) had not been aware that President George W. Bush Jr. had authorised the Wanta payment, Paulson said he would contact the White House and come in for milk and cookies as promised.
So, Moogems, after that long drawn out waste of space, what part of Consequently, prosecutors with the United States Department of Justice have concluded that the use of NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions violates 18 U.S.C. § 486. did you miss? So it would seem that the Libby’s weren’t perfectly legal after all wouldn’t it?
And Moogey does a 180 NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and TO COMPETE with the circulating coinage of the United States.
Now just a little while ago you were claiming just the opposite, which is it? Not that it really matters, the Constitution specifically reserves absolutely to the Congress the right to coin/mint money. There is no agenda about it, Moogs, it is a right reserved to the govt solely and absolutely.
mogel007 blathered...
Course it really wasn't a "refinance", it was a cashout of equity, taking what was ours anyway. When is that ever a crime to take or use something that is your own ?
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But moogs... I thought the lending business was all a big fraud. Now you want to use it again anyway to "take what is your own"? Then what...? oh, that's right. Lather, rinse, repeat as needed. Woe to you, hypocrite!
mogel007 said...
According to the Wall Street journal: "Many lenders charged subprime mortgage interest rates, WHEN IN FACT THE BORROWER QUALIFIED FOR FAVORABLE INTEREST RATES."
That gives new meaning to a FICO score. LOL
2:57 PM
Weren't you listening? Smokey Robinson's mama tried to tell you, "You better shop around".
Poo Poo, I know you don't want me to respond, but maybe these words might help someone else & maybe you should consider this in reference to speaking of THE WORD CREATION:
Creation (theology), the belief that a God or gods brought the universe into existence.
Creatio ex nihilo (English: Creation from nothing), the belief that a deity created the universe from nothing at all, rather than some PRE-EXISTING MATTER OR ENERGY.
In other words, to CREATE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT NOTHING EXISTED in the first place.
Kurt mentioned that the victory was first obtained in Heaven & God put an amen to it there & then.
Now this victory WHICH DOES EXIST BY THE WAY, even now, needs to be fashioned or formed into something THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, like a large bank account that makes you financially free.
Scott from Fantasyland said: Weren't you listening? Smokey Robinson's mama tried to tell you, "You better shop around".
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I thought the song was about dating, not about obtaining a loan. LOL
mogel007 said...
Scott from Fantasyland said: Weren't you listening? Smokey Robinson's mama tried to tell you, "You better shop around".
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I thought the song was about dating, not about obtaining a loan. LOL
2:01 PM
Ponder the phrase "open-ended metaphor", moogs. And quit laughing at your own jokes. It's kinda sad.
Scott said: Ponder the phrase "open-ended metaphor", moogs. And quit laughing at your own jokes. It's kinda sad.
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I think it's sad that you begin a sentence with a conjunction word like "AND".
"AND, AIN'T you got no learning" at all?
"Where were you "edjimacated" as SOP would say?
If you can learn to use proper sentence structure, I promise to stop laughing at my jokes, until then, I'll still laugh. Fair enough?
One thing I can count on as I said before is your "pity", or "sadness", not that I need it though to survive as an emotionally balanced human being.
I don't need your laughs or anyone else's. I think you are comical enough just as you are, even if you don't understand the humor, or are not willing to actively participate in it.
Scott from Vineland: Yes, I agree Nemo's comment is a great "open ended metaphor", especially if you like and enjoy fantasy, like you & are "open" to all sorts of untruths to believe in. That's the beauty of the "gift"; you know what I'm talking about, don't you?
mogel007 said...
I think it's sad that you begin a sentence with a conjunction word like "AND".
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Pardon me, Mr. Gashler. Aparently, I was under the mistaken impression that forums such as this were an informal venue. I will endeavor to use proper grammar henceforth.
mogel007 said...
Scott from Vineland: Yes, I agree Nemo's comment is a great "open ended metaphor"
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Once again, you misunderstand, moogs. I was not making reference to anything Neo said. I was attempting to point out that, yes I realize Smokey Robinson was singing about romantic relationships but I thought you might grasp the use of the lyric in a broader metaphorical context. How silly of me to expect you to be able to wrap your head around that, Mr. Literal.
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