I want to sincerely thank the few of you who have ministered to my personal need. I have come a very long way in this battle I must truly say that my personal burden was heavier upon me than the work of Dorean. The fact that you have come beside me in the Lord and raised my hands is of eternal value. I truly don't know how to thank you enough. The very best thing I can offer you is to prove the truth upon all these liars so that it can be a treasure that will prosper you all the rest of your natural lives. This battle has drawn out longer than I could have imagined or desired. In the end though it is the body of Christ ministering to the weakness within the body that makes us all healthy. I am certain that God himself has taken notice of your kindness to me. You are the treasure within the sea of retards I must contend with that make it all worth it. Please know that I am indebted to your kind service and that if I haven't proven my loyalty as a friend yet please remember to give me the opportunity in your time of need. I can say that the love of Christ flowing through you and your obedience encourages my faith. It all verifies again that the God we serve is real and a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Thank you, thank you, and thank you, a million times over. You have blessed me more than you can imagine.
"Now, Lord hear my prayer that you reward those who have reached to my need in faithfulness to you. Remember them in all there business, family, and spirit. You are the giver behind all our kindnesses so continue to give to them abundantly and exceedingly above all that they can ask or think. Heal their bodies and their souls which is a treasure that cannot be obtained by money. Restore lost relationship with love, forgiveness, and hope. Increase their repute in the communities and in their families. Bless them dear Lord as they have blessed your servant. AMEN!"
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Of Kurt it was said, "Let the whining begin", since nothing else worked, that was all he had to fall back on, that and bitter recrimination of a life wasted and lost.
Hey, what can I say, Kurt, except, you are welcome and thanks for the kind words.
It means a lot to me.
God bless and good luck.
Notarial Dissent said:
Of Kurt it was said, "Let the whining begin", since nothing else worked, that was all he had to fall back on, that and bitter recrimination of a life wasted and lost.
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The latest post was about GRATITUDE, and you have the gall to bring up the subject of "whining" which came completely out of left field! That attitude has nothing to do with this post, and is hence irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I suppose you would be the type of person that would go to a wedding for example, a day of celebration, & would want to "crash the party", and somehow you would justify this in your mind as something to do.
A life WASTED and LOST?
Since you aren't the one putting your freedom and beliefs ON THE LINE, who are you to speak of what is valuable or not? Who are you to put a time frame on this quest & saying without error, that ALL TIME HAS EXPIRED TO WIN? Also, do you remember the comment of Kurt's & I'm paraphrasing somewhat, "that even in prison, there were many beautiful things to experience." Does this sound like desparation to you with no hope & a life not worth living?
The Dorean Group hasn't even been sentenced, an appeal is in the very least, a hopeful consideration, the cause is just and good in the perspective of many, and you want to use the words "wasted" and "lost"?
You certainly are a killjoy, and a killer of hope and faith & I find no charity at all in your words, just narrow minded criticism. You've provided NO SOLUTIONS, no inspiration as far as the goals of the Dorean Group are concerned.
If this is any indication, how you behave as an individual in other things, then, you certainly have defined your character. How sad, with the great mind that God has given you, & certainly blessed you with, that you use it as a WEAPON to crush good virtues.
Even Nemo recognizes the good or kind words of Kurt and is gracious enough to give a gracious response and even a "good luck". How much better is he than you?
Notarial Dissent: If I EVER wanted to have a personal conversation with someone, I think I would pick you. I would want to know what life has done to you, to make you the way you are, so I could truly understand.
N. D. has alot of built up hate inside. Pray for him just Pray.
N. D. has alot of built up hate inside. Pray for him just Pray.
never mine, just SMTM.
Deliveries are expected today.
The SHOWDOWN resulted in extraordinarily severe threats from CHINA to GW/PAULSON which, we hear, caused them to fold and release WANTA's funds and our deliveries. Afterwards Madame WU was able to make final signoffs for CHINA which should result in deliveries today after ANOTHER worldwide release at 5p.m. yesterday.
Another problem has been that GW and his banking allies once again put the one and one half percent MANDATORY banking fee's back into the banking paperwork even though the Wld. Court had ruled against this 6 months ago. These criminals never quit. It has been discovered and is being removed from the paperwork in the 29 banks where we will be sent to access. There is nothing wrong or unusual about private banking/asset management fees, but it cannot legally be imposed upon us without an affirmative decision on our part. Read the paperwork. Read the small print. Don't let anyone rush you. Banking appt.'s will be after Jan. 1st.. Use cards in package as instructed. Don't use other cards-as instructed.
The on/off issue is not settled. If the 29 banks were cooperating in the mandatory 1 1/2%, only to be stopped-again-can they be trusted at all ?? Does the deposit of the treasury checks, whether in this delivery or held at bank awaiting our arrival, give them access to our accounts illegally. We speak with many bankers. Big bankers. Most are friends and many are in the programs. They have split opinions just as all of us do. It appears that these 29 are separate and apart from regular Fed Res banks and are the ABC (American Banking Central). Paperwork and announcements may make them safe---or not. Even in our most immediate circle opinions are split due this latest attempt to illegally lock in the 1 1/2 points (annually). What if this were designed to apply to all funds-even the offshore funds? On the other hand, what if offshore access means we face HLS trying to repatriate funds? Some say Basel II makes these banks totally safe. Others say if they are safe they would not have participated in this latest scam. We must "crawfish" (swim backwards) on previous opinion that they are safe. Our position now is that we simply don't know.
We hear the big trust has passed the point of no return, is open and will not close again.
We hear we will be under the new banking system after Jan. 1st and that's why no banking appointments till then. For safety's sake the big cards and checks may be held at the banks awaiting our arrival. If this is so and you have decided to access offshore just walk in get your stuff and leave. If the entire package is delivered today as some sources say, not just the limited temporary cards, instructions will say which cards to access and which not to touch-yet. At the bank we will be shown all we have coming, on and off, and decisions might be best made at that time. In view of delays this week those IMF folks with banking appt's yesterday were also delayed and we hear they will receive their limited temporary funds next wed/thurs., banking early Jan. following us.
We hear the BUSH/Clinton crime syndicate have had ALL their program money confiscated. MERRY CHRISTMAS BOYS.
Much "chatter" everyday involving CHINA, WLD. COURT, CITI, WANTA, BRUSSELS, IMF, GW/PAULSON, BANKS, etc.,,,,to vague to go into here.
Gordon Brown, Sarkozy, Merkle meeting apart from E.U. and ECB leaving the impression of a split with Brussels. All is quiet on the PROVOST/military front.
Once into the holiday season, due to successful stalling tactic's by GW, putting off announcements etc. till early January apparently became a necessity.
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Kurt says:
"Please know that I am indebted to your kind service and that if I haven't proven my loyalty as a friend yet please remember to give me the opportunity in your time of need."
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Do you recall the woman who supported you and professed belief in the process, even as the sheriff was about to toss her out?
She finally became disillusioned about the time when all her hope of keeping her house was gone.
Where were you then?
Note to moogie: Don't even bother - nothing you can say will justify her loss or the loss of other believers in Kurt.
Hey Neo,
Go pour yo self a glass of egg nog and chill....Give it a rest big fella. Go out and sing carols in yo neighbor hood or something....geeeeeeeese.
(I tried to sound like SOP there....what do ya think?)
hab said:
"(I tried to sound like SOP there....what do ya think?)"
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I don't think anyone can properly imitate that kind of ignorance.
Lori; just chill baby chill. You don't no what's gonna happen yet. Baby just chill.
...with the exception of rearend.
On Sunday, December 23rd, Dr. Ron Paul will be on MNBC's Meet The Press. Consult your local program guide for time of this interview.
You mean Dr. Ron Paul the anti-semite who takes money from neo nazi and white supremasist groups?
Nemo your ignorance is shinning thru. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, someone's ignorance is "shinning thru", whatever that means; but I'm thinking it's not Neo.
No it's neo for sure. LOL!!!!!!!!!
Worst economic downturn since 1980-1981:
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!
WISHING YOU AND YOURS A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!
SANTA
Nemo said: "Note to moogie: Don't even bother - NOTHING YOU SAY will justify her loss or the loss of other believers in Kurt."
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Where have I heard that before? Oh yea, I remember now, "NOTHING YOU SAY MATTERS".
A little plagerism on your part, I would say. You should give credit to the rightful author of that profound expression which encompasses all time, all efforts, until death and maybe even beyond that. LOL
Course than again, maybe your mimicking someone else, just to be kissing some ass, I can't really tell.
Which is it, kissing ass, or just being stupid?
Note to Nemo:
EVERYTHING MATTERS. Every act of kindness and effort along the road of life means something and has significance.
Don't be so bitter, Byron.
Its Christmas time!
Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, to die and be raised again so that YOU can be saved, Byron!
Rejoice! Accept the Lord as Savior before its too late!
Lay the petty worries of this world aside long enough to get right with God and then share the Good News of Jesus Christ with your family and loved ones.
Have a joyous and mighty Christmas!
DONT WORRY NEO, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE OUT THE LATEST MODEL, I WILL BRING YOU THE OLD MODEL SERIES OF THE MINIATURE TALKING JUDGE BEAN DOLL.
ONLY PROBLEM IS, THE OLD MODEL ONLY SAYS ONE WORD:
GUILTY
IT WILL HAVE TO DO TILL NEXT YEAR.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Nemo said: "Don't be so bitter, Byron."
SO NOW I'M BITTER? ARE YOU SAYING I CAN'T BE NICE?
Its Christmas time!
I DON'T BELIEVE CHRIST WAS BORN IN THE WINTER TIME. HE WAS BORN IN THE SPRING TIME. IT'S HIS BIRTH THAT IS BEING CELEBRATED IS IT NOT, NOT THE RESURRECTION.
Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, to die and be raised again so that YOU can be saved, Byron!
SO WHAT DOES BEING BORN OF A VIRGIN HAVE TO DO WITH SALVATION IN YOUR VIEWPOINT? SO YOU FINALLY AGREE THAT THE UNIVERSAL RESURRECTION IS SALVATION? WHAT DO YOU THINK I NEED TO BE SAVED FROM?
Rejoice! Accept the Lord as Savior before its too late!
YOU KNOW FOR A FACT I HAVEN'T DONE THIS?
ARE YOU NOW MY JUDGE TOO? I THOUGHT THAT WAS JESUS'S JOB.
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN: "EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST". EVEN THESE PEOPLE WILL BE RESURRECTED EVEN IF THEY ARE LATE IN THEIR ACCEPTANCE, SO THEY ARE SAVED TOO.
Lay the petty worries of this world aside long enough to get right with God and then share the Good News of Jesus Christ with your family and loved ones.
SO I'M NOT RIGHT WITH GOD, BUT YOU ARE? SO GETTING RIGHT WITH GOD ONLY TAKES A SHORT WHILE? LOL
Have a joyous and mighty Christmas!
WHY SHOULD THIS YEAR BE ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OF THE OTHERS FOR ME? THIS CHRISTMAS I'M GETTING THE NEW VERSION OF THE JUDGE BEANNIE DOLL THAT TALKS IF YOU SPANK IT: "I COMPLETELY MISJUDGED, AND MADE AN ASS OF MYSELF, PLEASE DISBAR ME."
Why am I not surprised to hear that you spank dolls, Byron?
Nemo; you sure don't talk or act like Jesus would want you to; Do you? If you don't answer I'll take that as a YES LOL.
Nemo; you sure don't talk or act like Jesus would want you to; Do you? If you don't answer I'll take that as a YES LOL.
follows Kurtian gaseousness
I want to sincerely thank the few of you who have ministered to my personal need.
By this you must mean your slavish followers who are too brain dead and too far out of touch with reality to realize what a crock you’ve been shilling and how big a piece of work you really are, or that you are a complete and utter BS artist.
follows Kurtian gaseousness
This battle has drawn out longer than I could have imagined or desired.
But didn’t you just get through going on about how you had everything planned out and that everything had gone just exactly as you had intended? Oh, wait, that must be the other battle where your nonsense actually made sense and the prosecution and the courts fell all over themselves in awe of your great intellect. In other words, just another of your delusions.
follows Kurtian gaseousness
Heal their bodies and their souls which is a treasure that cannot be obtained by money. Restore lost relationship with love, forgiveness, and hope.
I think a lot of them would be happy if they just got back the money you scammed from them, and let’s not go into the people who lost their homes because of your “help”.
and then we have Moogie’s 3 cents worth
The latest post was about GRATITUDE, and you have the gall to bring up the subject of "whining" which came completely out of left field!
Moogie, this latest was about self aggrandizement and justification. The only thing Kurt is sorry about is that he got caught, and that there are fewer and fewer sycophants to fan his bloated ego, his over blown need for drama, and his need to con someone-to prove that he is a smart as he thinks he is, even if it is only himself. So despite being couched in words of praise, it was nothing but whining that no one appreciates him and all that he has done for the world.
In the first place Moogs, I seldom go to weddings, in the second, if I do it is because I am going to celebrate someone else’s moment and so avoid being anything resembling the center stage, and it is because I want to go. I don’t do duty dances for anyone.
Get a grip on reality Moogs, Kurt isn’t putting anything on the line. It is already gone! He lied, he stole, he committed fraud, and he has done nothing commendable or even justifiable. Whatever promise he may have had, and my personal opinion is that it was never more than negligible at best, he wasted and threw away, with both hands. Kurt is where he put himself, by his own lies and deceit, and very much by his own hands. That you think, even for a second, that I would believe anything Kurt says shows how little touch with reality you possess. Kurt is a liar and a fraud, and everything, with the possible exception of the fits of vitriol that periodically come spewing out of his mouth ring as hollow as his other claims. The only thing Kurt is going to experience from now on is a very bleak and lonely life.
Hate to break it to you Moogs, but dim and dimmer are going to be sentenced, still haven’t seen the latest belly laugh Kurt has been promising, but it won’t last as long as it took Kurt to cobble it together out of unrelated words and irreality, and an appeal can’t be filed until after sentencing. So one more of your predictions down the tubes.
Killjoy, perhaps in that I keep telling you your delusions are just that, don’t like it, tough, reality bites sometimes. The only charity I have in this matter is for the people Kurt scammed, and that is qualified in that some of them knew they were committing fraud as well. Criticism, well, I supposed calling a scumbag a scumbag could be called that, but then when it is the truth, oh well, and nothing narrow minded about it, my criticism was informed and correct. You are the one who is oblivious to reality. The solution was act honorably, try and work with your lender, don’t try and get out of your debts by half assed pseudo legal mumbo jumbo claiming the debts weren’t real, and act like adults. That solution enough for you. If there was something illegal of unethical about the mortgage or lending contracts, then that is what we have lawyers and courts for. The problem is, that people don’t want to go into court when they are trying to commit fraud, because they tend to get caught, like dim and dimmer did, and then they go to jail. The last thing a scammer wants is a real lawyer, or heaven forbid, a judge to actually see the nonsense they are peddling to their marks, because then it all starts to unravel, just like it did with Dorean. The only solution left to Kurt is to come clean, return any money he has to his victims, and take what he has coming. It won’t make amends to all the people he has hurt, but it will end this farce, and then he can start down the path to recovering what is left of his soul. I don’t for a minute believe he’ll do it, but that is the solution.
Moogey, just so we are perfectly clear here, the use of the words “good virtues” in any context or connection with Kurt makes me nauseous to point I want to gag. Kurt has shown, evidenced, acted, in no ways or fashion throughout this entire matter that those words can have any connection to him, except in the negative.
Nemo can speak for himself, and is perhaps a good deal more charitable than myself, I however, do not tend to give credence or value to the words of a liar and fraud, eloquence does not excuse villainy. I would like to think there was some level of sincerity in Kurt’s words, but I doubt it.
Moogey, you truly are oblivious. You have no clue as to what motivates me, or why, and as usual, your powers of perception serve you not.
Note to Nemo, Kurt’s memory, like his and Moogie's moral compass are at best convenient.
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.” (Luke 2:11-14)
Note to Byron:
Despite erroneous teaching foisted upon the gullible and misled by Satan himself, the birth of Christ to the virgin Mary was not accomplished by God taking human form and copulating with the blessed virgin, but by a miraculous act of the Holy Spirit.
Put down your false teachings long enough to look it up.
May God have mercy on your soul.
Note to rearend: Nothing you say matters.
Notarial Dissent said: "The only solution left to Kurt is to come clean, RETURN ANY MONEY HE HAS to his victims, and take what he has coming.
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Let's see, the government/FBI confiscated ALL OF THE DOREAN MONIES, so the government has CONTROL of all the seized monies.
So if the government is so upright & caring, then it follows they should return all the monies immediately to the alleged victims which you say are the dorean clients. Have they done that??? Or will they even do that?
Of course, they haven't, so you're the one not living in reality, along with Nemo.
Weren't the banks the original victims being defrauded according to the press? Are you telling me the government will return those monies to the victim banks, the dorean bank accounts that were seized?
The banks can only have their monies once they make a validation of claim under the penalty of perjury is how it works when a trustee takes over the monies & makes a settlement disbursement in so called programs that are perceived as scams. Course the banks made no claims, made no validation of any claims. The UNITED STATES made those claims of bank fraud on behalf of the banks & then dropped those bank fraud charges. The mail & wire fraud statutes don't apply to the dorean clients or to the banks, so who keeps the monies that were seized? The government? If that's true, who's the thief here?
Hey, Byron, reality check time.
How much did the feds seize?
How much went to overseas accounts?
hmmm...
Then there is the monies collected by brokers such as yourself (assuming you were slick enough to convince anyone other than yourself - which is doubtful)
How to you figure wire/mail fraud statutes don't apply, Sherlock?
Nemo said: "Despite erroneous teaching foisted upon the gullible and misled by Satan himself, the birth of Christ to the virgin Mary was not accomplished by God taking human form and copulating with the blessed virgin, but by a miraculous act of the Holy Spirit."
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So you believe Jesus is the Son of the Holy Ghost? According to you, he couldn't be the Son of God even though the scriptures say so.
Wonder why no where in the scriptures that Jesus is referred to as the "miracle of the HOly Ghost" then. LOL
Hey, too bad Jesus wasn't born today, they could have done a DNA test & then we'd know.
Jesus is called the "only begotten of the Father". Not the only begotten of the Holy Ghost as you are suggesting.
Jesus said, "If ye have seen me, you have seen the Father". God the Father, must have human form then, meaning, body, parts, and passions. We are created in his image.
So if this doctrine is inspired by Satan, why does it say so in the Bible; it's pretty clear: "The power of the HIGHEST OVERSHADOWED MARY", kind of a delicate way to explain the act.
You're not saying the Holy Ghost is the HIGHEST are you? Or are you saying that the Godhead is some sort of incomprehensible split personality, like the 1 in 3 and 3 in 1 explanation concluded by the council of Niacea?
So much for your understanding then, that "God is the same yesterday, today, & forever". If God has always been God as he is, then being born in human flesh, at one time, makes no sense, if you also assert that "God is the same yesterday, today, and forever". God cannot ALWAYS be God, if he was once a man & still be the same forever.
Jesus said, " I can do nothing of myself, except I have seen the Father do it." If Jesus was once made flesh, then the logic is there to say, even the Father, was made flesh once too. Maybe it's an eternal law.
Why is it so difficult to imagine the Godhead as 3 separate & distinct personages & personalities, & why is that doctrine considered Satanic? Why would Satan himself care if someone believed this?
There are many places in the scriptures where 2 personages have appeared to Holy men or prophets AT THE SAME TIME. If this isn't Jesus & God the Father, then who is it?
The scriptures say in the mouth of at least TWO WITNESESS every word is established. God & Jesus can't witness for themselves if they are in fact only one God & not separate & distinct personalities. The scriptural law of witnesses then must be rejected as true according to your belief.
If Jesus was in fact God, the Father of all Spirits, only one individual, who was watching over Heaven and doing all the Godly duties, when God was Jesus while upon this earth?
You want me to believe God himself ABANDONED & NEGLECTED all of his other worlds he has created while he took on human form for 33 years? I think such an act of abandonment would have given evil forces too much power, don't you think, with no one in charge.
Nemo asked: How much did the feds seize?
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About 4.2 to 4.3 Million. They got IT ALL.
Nemo said: "How to you figure wire/mail fraud statutes don't apply, Sherlock?"
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If you've read and understood everything that's been filed in the court record, including the appeal, you wouldn't be asking that question. It's elementary my dear Watson. It's self evident.
"About 4.2 to 4.3 Million. They got IT ALL."
State your source...please.
Nemo said: "Then there is the monies collected by brokers such as yourself (assuming you were slick enough to convince anyone other than yourself - which is doubtful)"
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If that is true Nemo, then I'm nothing more than a client. If that is true, then why all the antagonism and hatred towards me specifically by people like Judge Bean & talk of lawsuits?
Your testimony must be more possible evidence then that people like Judge Beanhead has an evil agenda then, since it's so obvious to you, I couldn't even sell a heater to an eskimo.
If Broker or Agents monies were not confiscated, & I've seen no evidence of that, than, this is more proof that the trial was about "selective prosecution". Remember the FBI raided the Dorean office & confiscated ALL RECORDS.
Regarding mail fraud and your previous and (as always) erroneous contentions:
Title 18
Section 1341. Frauds & swindles
Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises...
OK, Byron, tell us... did you turn a buck on this or didn't you?
Nemo said: "State your source...please"
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Do you really think the US GOVERNMENT and all the connections they have worldwide, is going to allow the Dorean Group to profit, & keep their ill gotten gains, as the government would call it, especially after the Courts have adjudicated the process to be a scam & have convicted the Principals? The government had a long time ago, all the perceived power to confiscate all property obtained illegally under the "forfeiture laws". They've known for quite some time where the overseas bank accounts were. Do you think the people in power did nothing?
Don't you think overseas banks cooperate with the Justice Department of the US in most cases especially if it is considered "laundered funds" deposited through a scheme? The bank would probably freeze the monies if a complaint was filed or an investigation started. Point being, the monies can't be accessed or spent by the Dorean Group. If the overseas funds aren't gone, they are as good as gone. Don't you think the Federal Reserve System has power & connections worldwide to force European banks to cooperate with their agenda, the agenda being to bankrupt the Dorean Group & take all power away from them, at least the power that they see as a threat. Money is power. Take that away, you have less worldly power. Part of demasculinizing someone is taking away their means to make a living or taking away financial resources to provide for themselves & their loved ones. From a worldly point of view, it doesn't get much worse than being homeless, divorced, convicted, alienated, & bankrupt, does it?
Are you reading the same posts on this blog, I am reading? How about the post on "gratitude"? Do you really have to ask that question or are you blind to what's being said and why?
Title 18
Section 1341. Frauds & swindles
Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises...
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As usual, it's your ..... that's left out which is deceiving including yourself. Don't just post part of the statute, post the whole statute, and take the whole statute in it's proper & full context and then go back in history to determine why the statute was even passed & the purpose behind it.
This mail fraud statute was alwasy intended to define a narrow type of fraud; not ALL FRAUDS as you are suggesting. I quoted some Supreme Court precedences earlier showing that point. Did my previous posts go completely unnoticed by you?
If I posted: "He that believeth.........shall be saved". Would that be all that you needed to know about the gospel to understand everything in it's complete context about salvation?
OK, Byron, tell us... did you turn a buck on this or didn't you?
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Well, NOTHING I SAY MATTERS since I follow Kurt's words & according to Notarial Dissent, I am delusional, so really the question is a moot point since even you doubt it.
Tell me Bruce, did you make a profit on that ponzi scheme you were promoting?
Bruce: According to your understanding of the law, wouldn't your promotion of that ponzi scheme you were promoting, also carry possible jail time according to mail fraud statute?
Ponzi scheme? Nope, not me.
And I sure didn't use the mail to promote anything.
How about you, Byron?
Bruce: You know you could be charged with Conspiracy & mail fraud too & face 5 years in jail & possible financial penalties too for your participation in a ponzi scheme. I know you paid out monies to join & also promoted it & probably had clients that you promoted it too. That's all the elements needed to convict. When the returns are ridiculous, as your scheme was, common sense tells you it's a ponzi scheme, so you are without excuse, unless of course, you are admitting you don't have common sense!!! Which is it Bruce? WE both know that your scheme stopped paying out.
Course then again, maybe you just enjoy throwing stones at glass houses when you live in one too.
Bankruptcy is OK, but challenging a bank loan & recording documents saying it's discharged is not? In your viewpoint, isn't someone getting hurt in either scenario?
Try as you might to make this about me, Byron, its not.
YOU are responsible for promoting a scam that cost lots of folks their homes.
Own it or don't...God knows.
AS I JUST BEGAN LOADING AND DOING PRACTICE RUNS ON THE SLEIGH, IVE JUST RECEIVED A LETTER AT MY P.O. BOX AT THE NORTH POLE.
IT SAID TO MAKE MULTIPLE COPIES AND FORWARD THE LETTER TO ALL THE HOUSES ON MY STOPS.
HERE IS THE CONTENTS OF THE LETTER:
Merry Christmas .... and .... Happy New Year to All
" Holy Father in Heaven, I humbly ask you, to bless our children, grandchildren, friends and business associates, relatives and email recipients reading this message ....
Please show them a new revelation of your Blessed Love and Power.
Holy Spirit, I ask you to minister to their Blessed Spirit at this very moment in time.
Where there is pain, please give each of them Your Peace and Mercy.
Where there is self-doubt, please release a renewed confidence through Your Holy Grace, in Jesus' Precious Name.
Amen, Amen .... "
STRANGE? THE PS ALSO ASKED HOW STRONG MY REINDERR ARE?
WANTED TO KNOW HOW MANY POUNDS THEY COULD CARRY OF FILLED MONEYSACKS?
I WROTE BACK, "YOU FILL 'EM, WE'LL CARRY 'EM."
TAKE ALL YOU GOT. WE BETTER THAN FED-EX, AND MUCH FASTER TOO!
Ambassador Lee Emil Wanta
to the United Nations / USA / PRC
Ponzi scheme? Nope, not me.
And I sure didn't use the mail to promote anything.
How about you, Byron?
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OK, excuse me then, in the very least, you committed "wire fraud" then which still carries the same jail time since you promoted it over the internet.
And yes, it was A PONZI SCHEME and still involves a conspiracy since you are defrauding people out of monies through a scheme representing returns that can't be met mathematically by everyone that participates. That's why it's a ponzi scheme or is that too hard for you to understand? There's always people (most people) that lose their investment & get nothing in return.
You can't even tell the truth when there is evidence against you on your own website in the past. Give me a break!!!!
Just admit you promoted a ponzi scheme, or just admit, you are a liar, or that you are just ignorant. Either scenario is acceptable in coming clean & fully disclosing.
You can't expect others to fully disclose, when you can't do it yourself, can you? What kind of trust does this type of double standard generate?
"Holy Spirit, I ask you to minister to their Blessed Spirit at this very moment in time."
Where there is pain, please give each of them Your Peace and Mercy.
HO! HO! HO!
MERRRY CHRISTMAS!
GEE, I DONT KNOW THIS GUY, BUT HE SURE SEEMS RELIGIOUS, HUH?
"get nothing in return"
You need to do a little research before running your mouth, Byron.
I don't know how one guy can be so consistently wrong... you must be twins... one person couldn't possibly be as oblivious as you.
AND DONT BE OFFENDED BY IT!
HO! HO! HO!
I WASNT TALKING ABOUT YOUR SISTER.
I SAY THAT TO ALL THE PRETTY GIRLS WHO COME SIT ON MY LAP.
Nemo said: "YOU are responsible for promoting a scam that cost lots of folks their homes."
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Prove it then!!!! You still believe I had no clients, along with many others on this blog.
So which clients of mine, assuming I had any, lost their homes? Why don't you post it on your internet site? You posted the promotion of your ponzi scheme there.
Did I take their homes or did the bank file the foreclosures against Dorean clients? Who profited by the foreclosures? Was it me?
Did I ever tell clients NOT TO MAKE THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENTS? Or did I post on my internet site the procedure for making payments under protest? When did I become a Broker if I became one at all? Was it after the policy change by Dorean or before?
Nemo, you are so good at pretending to know all of the facts, aren't you? You can't really judge someone unless you know all of the material facts, can you?
YOu can't even post a full statute on mail fraud, let alone understand the complete picture on anything. You wouldn't know the difference between the Son of God, or the Son of the Holy Ghost. It's all a mystery or an unexplained miracle to you, like the miracle of striking it rich on your ponzi scheme you were promoting. LOL
At least you are consistent, I'll give you that.
Nemo said: "You need to do a little research before running your mouth, Byron."
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Is this the kettle calling the pot black?
What little research you have done, has never stopped you from running your mouth, has it?
If you are going to criticize me, at least have the integrity not to have that fault.
Oh, maybe it's a "do as I say, not as I do--- parent/child thing" with you. You're the all knowing parent, and I'm the child that needs to learn.
Are you now denying that you promoted the Dorean Group, Byron?
hmmm... seems to me you PM'd my forum members trying to sell the program...now, where did I put that message...must be in the folder with the copy of your broker website.
Whether you had clients or not isn't relevant...a pusher is a pusher is a pusher.
BTW - you will never be god, thank God.
I'd categorize you more as the special needs child that needs to learn.
Nemo, I have done my research.
Participation in a ponzi scheme & getting people under you & promoting a website where people pay money, based upon false expectations, is enough to convict.
You don't even have to know or even believe it's a ponzi scheme to be guilty & convicted, although you are more culpable if you know it's a scam without any doubt.
The mere participation & promotion of the requirement of someone to participate to have to pay an upfront fee for the expectation of this expected return, which can't be delivered in all cases, is all that is needed for the government to get a conviction AGAINST EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SCHEME WHETHER THEY PROFITED OR NOT. Since there is no real product being sold, it's hard to justify it's not a ponzi scheme, even in your feeble & denying mind.
Do you think it would be hard for the government to prove that someone paid an upfront fee & didn't get paid anything in return, but lost their upfront fee too?
And when you get too many people participating, it is also a violation of the security laws without registering the offering & then the SEC can step in too.
Don't believe me, consult a lawyer & he'll confirm this. YOu're the one that hasn't done any real research. Why does that not surprise me?
Personally, I think Kurt gives you too much credit. I guess that's my first real significant difference of opinion I have had with Kurt. No ass kissing there on this opinion.
However, that's what good & honorable men do. They always give someone else the benefit of the doubt when character comes into question because they realize only God can judge the hearts of others. It's the trusting & charitable thing to do. Kurt even did this with Judge Alsup, his greatest advesary some might even say, thinking and even believing that even Judge Alsup could follow the will of the Lord & do the right thing. Obviously he didn't, & there's little to believe that will change.
This is something you have never done with Kurt. You have always believed and decreed he was a scam artist from the very beginning. It would irritate you to no end to believe that they (Kurt & Scott) were inspired by God to carry out their mission of being whitleblowers against the banking establishment. Even Notarial Dissent believes that a man could be inspired to challenge the banks, but you believe it could NEVER BE KURT & SCOTT. Such would be a leap of faith not even fathomed or even considered by you.
Course how can one trust others when they have so many reasons not to trust themselves?
Well, good, then you know there is a product involved in the program. Good job, Byron.
Which gods inspired Kurt? The ones you believe in or the One I believe in?
Or SATAN, maybe?
Are you now denying that you promoted the Dorean Group, Byron?
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Of course not! We both know the truth. But you see, in order to convict, you must prove that financial consideration was exchanged. No paying clients, no consideration. Promotion may not be enough to get a conviction, without payment, even though retards like Judge Bean say I'm still promoting the process, even though he knows the business has been shut down.
Nemo, you are my best witness that I had no clients, unless of course, you are admitting you are just being hateful & cynical & judgemental as usual? Either way, I'll forgive you, because that's what a good Christian does, not saying I am, of course, because that would be judging too.
I don't recall you being forthcoming enough to acknowledge whether you had victi... er, clients, or not.
I have no way of knowing. I can only offer conjecture. Even if you were your only client, that is a form of participation in the scam, and, conceivably more fully informed of the process than the average client...more of a co-conspirator.
Defending a proven scam could certainly be construed as continuing to promote the process despite the fact it has been closed down.
Moogey protestations
Let's see, the government/FBI confiscated ALL OF THE DOREAN MONIES, so the government has CONTROL of all the seized monies.
True, but that does not account for the money sent out of the country, not that it will ever see the light of day having gone into the hands of the Bank of Dougy in Latvia.
Moogey protestations
Weren't the banks the original victims being defrauded according to the press?
And which banks and victims were these? When the trial is completed, the victims can make application for their funds, although some of them may think twice before they do considering that some of them are also guilty of fraud as well.
Moogey protestations
The banks can only have their monies once they make a validation of claim
You’re getting delusional again Moogs, the banks aren’t involved in this at this point. If Kurt had any real assets, they could sue him civilly for damages, and would win, but since he is a broken fraud what would be the point?
Wrong as usual Moogs, the Fed bank fraud charges were filed by the Feds because the dim duo had defrauded some Federally chartered banks, the Feds filed the charges, not the banks.
And wrong yet again Moogems, any of the “clients” who participated in the scheme and used the mails or wires is also guilty of fraud, and can so be charged, if not as actual perpetrators, then as accessories.
I have yet to see an actual accounting of how much the dim duo supposedly took in as opposed to what was left afterwards, and I certainly am not going to take their word for it either in positive or negative.
Moogey protestations
About 4.2 to 4.3 Million. They got IT ALL.
Oh based on what evidence, I have yet to see an actual figure posted anywhere, and they didn’t get it all since we know for a fact that money was sent to the Bank of Dougy in Latvia.
Moogey protestations
If you've read and understood everything that's been filed in the court record, including the appeal, you wouldn't be asking that question. It's elementary my dear Watson. It's self evident.
Sure it is Moogs, since the court records say nothing to that effect, and since we’ve yet to see the latest magnum opus of the greatest legal mind of the 21st century, you’ll pardon me if I opine that as usual you’re full of it.
Moogey protestations
why all the antagonism and hatred towards me
Moogey, I doubt if there is anyone on this planet who knows you or cares enough about you to hate you. The antagonism is due to your continued insistence on playing sockpuppet and apologist for a twice convicted liar, cheat, and fraud artist. That might just have something to do with it. That fact that you continue to try and justify what was in plain and simple fact fraud, theft, and intentional deceit might just have something to do with it. When it all comes down to it, what Kurt did was fraud, it was wrong, it was theft, and theft by deception. You are justifying it, and promoting it, and it makes you just as morally guilty of the crime as dim and dimmer are of the actual crime. That might just have something to do with it. Trying to justify your crimes by cloaking it in religious hypocrisy just makes it all the more reprehensible. So which is it Moogs, were you or weren’t you a broker, you keep changing your story.
Moogey protestations
If Broker or Agents monies were not confiscated, & I've seen no evidence of that
Oh, you might want to have a little chat with good old Flea, seems he lost everything he had, including his wife the last I heard, so it looks like you heard wrong again.
Moogey protestations
Do you really think the US GOVERNMENT and all the connections they have worldwide, is going to allow the Dorean Group to profit, & keep their ill gotten gains,
In answer to your question, NO, but unless there is an extradition or process treaty with the country involved, there is very little that can be done to get anything back, which is why Dougy is currently hiding out in Latvia, and why the money was sent there in the first place. Latvia is the current favored hiding place for scam artists for particularly that reason at the moment.
Moogey protestations Well, NOTHING I SAY MATTERS since I follow Kurt's words & according to Notarial Dissent, I am delusional, so really the question is a moot point since even you doubt it.
So in other words someone has backed you in to a corner and you don’t want to give a straight answer, which is as good as an answer. What’s the matter, Moogs, getting nervous, you should be. Actually what you had better worry more about is what they are going to turn over to the IRS when they finish the case up, the IRS has even less of a sense of humor than the justice department, and if they think they smell money, they will go after it.
And to answer Nemo, Moogie doesn’t use the mails, he depends on the internet, so they can get him for wire fraud, which is just as much fun and carries as much time.
Moogey protestations Bankruptcy is OK, but challenging a bank loan & recording documents saying it's discharged is not?
One is legal, controlled and sanctioned by law, the other is fraud and very illegal when you sign false statements and documents you are not entitled to. If you want to challenge a loan, the proper forum is a court room, not with a bunch of voodoo documents that have no legal standing.
So answer the question Moogie, were you or were you not a broker??? Simple enough question, only require a yes or no answer, simple enough even for you. So which is it? It doesn’t matter if you made any money at it, I seriously doubt anyone could possibly have been desperate enough to actually trust you, but there is always the possibility of someone being that incredibly dumb. Whether you ever made a dime at it, if you actually promoted the scheme, you are just as morally guilty as the dim duo.
And yes Moogs, you are guilty of promoting the Dorean scam if not as a broker, then as a sockpuppet now, it still boils down to you promoting what was, is, and will remain a scam.
Nemo asked: Which gods inspired Kurt? The ones you believe in or the One I believe in?
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Well the Holy Ghost inspires all men to the truth, and inspires good men like Kurt & Scott & moves them to act. Since I believe the Holy Ghost to be a Spirit, with the influence to be in all things, & all places, and not being God the Father, who has a glorified, perfected & resurrected body of flesh & bones, only being capable to be in one place at any moment in time, then, it couldn't be the godhead of your imagination and belief because HE wouldn't be inspiring the Dorean Group & not inspiring you, telling them one thing, & then telling you something completely different. God is not the author of dissention & division & confusion.
Or the answeer could be that you just don't know how to listen, fast, and pray effectively to be receptive to spiritual things & you don't have enough spiritual growth to even recognize the Dorean Group as a mission capable of being sanctioned & led by God himself through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. Take your pick which scenario it is. It matters not to me what you believe. The more truth a person accepts, the closer they are to their creator.
Maybe you are part of the lost sheep Jesus spoke of, when he said concering his true followers: "My sheep hear my voice." Because you are not of that fold, you don't listen or hear the Shepard calling you into agreement to this worthy cause?
Nemo, you MAY be worshipping a false god, that doesn't exist in the character & attributes & doctrine you believe in. If that is true, doesn't that constitute false worship? Maybe you should be MORE concerned about your own soul rather than worrying about mine?
Nemo said: "I don't recall you being forthcoming enough to acknowledge whether you had victi... er, clients, or not."
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So a Dorean client is synonymous with being a victim, even if a client never had any problems & never lost their home, like in my own case? Can you be a victim, even if you don't feel like you are a victim? Tell me what's my loss? Can you also tell me what I've gained? Tell me what's the net result? Again, Nemo, you don't have a clue as usual.
"Even if you were your only client,"
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Nemo, what are you smoking?
"Try as you might to make this about me, Byron, its not."
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Sure it's about you Nemo. It's ALL ABOUT your ignorance and all of the people like you that say the same type of things, & BELIEVE IN THE SAME JUNK LIKE YOU, that convicted TWO INNOCENT MEN.
Your false prophets interpretation would be laughable, if so many millions of souls weren't doomed because of it.
I realize nothing I say will convince you otherwise, but, I will continue to pray for you and yours.
While I do enjoy the banter, I really do not hate you, Byron. I'd like to see you find true salvation.
Anyhoo, the clock on the wall says its about time for the annual cease fire, so I will leave you with one last thought:
Compare and contrast Kurt's very public fasts with
Matthew 6:
16Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Have a Merry Christmas, y'all.
Notarial Dissent said: "True, but that does not account for the money sent out of the country, not that it will ever see the light of day having gone into the hands of the Bank of Dougy in Latvia."
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Here you go again making huge contradictions from your previous statements & others like you. You & others like you, have indicated that all the BIG FISH or the main ones got indicted & convicted. It has been said, I was an "insignificant" & HENCE DIDN'T GET INDICTED, OK, that's believable. If Dougy ended up with 4 million plus in his hands, and the assignment of all of the administrative judgments, than the government purposely allowed one of the Big fishes, maybe EVEN THE BIGGEST FISH to go free & stay free. Sorry, I'm not buying that unless you actually believe the government is more powerless & incompetent than what history has shown so far, and you give them too much credit for stopping the Dorean Process! Which is it really and what do you really believe? Maybe the government put the wrong people behind bars, you think? Maybe the power and the remedy is still free, alive and well & the government doesn't even have a clue.
Compare and contrast Kurt's very public fasts with
Matthew 6:
16Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
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I don't recall Kurt ever mentioning that his fasts were such a burden upon him, as if he was seeking pity or recognition for his long fasts.
I kind of appreciated the fact that Kurt had so much respect for clients needs to seek God's wisdom & receptivity by telling people he was fasting for a purpose, which purpose has always been for others.
I don't think this scripture is telling you that it's wrong to share your fasting with someone else if it's done in the proper reverance & spirit. Did Kurt ever "disfigure his face" or mentioning great physical pain, in his fast to extract recognition? Isn't this scripture talking about "appearing unto men to fast" & NOT REALLY DOING A FAST, BUT APPEARING TO BE SPIRITUAL, WHEN THE PRETENDED ACT OF FASTING WAS A LIE & talking about the wrong spirit of fasting & fasting as hypocrites without a divine purpose in mind OR NOT FASTING AT ALL? Nemo, do you have evidence that Kurt in fact DID NOT FAST AS HE SAID HE DID?
There was always a spiritual purpose for Kurt's fasts. They were not vain physical tests to impress.
It's not wrong to have a public fast or even tell people you are fasting or fast with others & share your thoughts of a spiritual fast & the revelations you received by doing so. This is called sharing Nemo. It's like leading by example, or putting your light on a candlestick & being a light to others.
Nemo, I think you are continuing to wrest the scriptures to your own destruction & MISJUDGEMENT. HOW MANY TIMES CAN YOU BE WRONG WITHOUT OFFENDING GOD?
Notarial Dissent said: "When the trial is completed, the victims can make application for their funds, although some of them may think twice before they do considering that some of them are also guilty of fraud as well."
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So the trial ISN'T COMPLETED? So how can you say that the Dorean Group will be in jail for life then? Which do you really know?
How nice. The government confiscates victims monies, & now the victims have to make application for what is theirs. Sounds like if they had any real integrity they'd just return it immediately. Isn't that the standard that's being lodged against the Dorean Group as justification that they are scam artists that don't care. If they truly cared, they would pay back all of their clients immediately. Course if the government took everything they have, how are they suppose to do that, even if they wanted to?
Isn't someone guilty of fraud when they have been proven in court & shown guilty by the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt? A person applying for funds due to him, is not GUILTY WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL & CAN'T BE PRESUMED AS SUCH. MORE OF YOUR NONSENSE i'm sure.
Wrong as usual Moogs, the Fed bank fraud charges were filed by the Feds because the dim duo had defrauded some Federally chartered banks,
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Yet the trial was all about the clients as BEING THE VICTIMS being defrauded since the bank fraud COULD NOT BE PROVEN & bank losses could not be validated.
If you can prove charges, YOU DON'T FILE THEM, JUST TO DROP THEM.
Notarial Dissent says: "In answer to your question, NO, but unless there is an extradition or process treaty with the country involved, there is very little that can be done to get anything back, which is why Dougy is currently hiding out in Latvia, and why the money was sent there in the first place. Latvia is the current favored hiding place for scam artists for particularly that reason at the moment."
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Are you suggesting that the bank accounts in Latvia weren't in Kurt or Scott's name, or any D/B/A affiliated with the Dorean Group, but specifically in Dougy's name?
Or are you saying the 4 million plus is still an asset of the Dorean Group?
I'm unclear on what exactly you are alleging. Are you alleging or stating facts here with a sure knowledge & if so, where is your proof?
If the government has no extradition treaty, what's stopping the CIA to extradite or kidnap to bring someone to justice, as you would say? Don't tell me the CIA doesn't get involved in covert operations either.
"If Kurt had any real assets, they could sue him civilly for damages, and would win,"
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A Latvian account is NOT A REAL ASSET?
And wrong yet again Moogems, any of the “clients” who participated in the scheme and used the mails or wires is also guilty of fraud, and can so be charged, if not as actual perpetrators, then as accessories.
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I agree with what you are saying, that ALL CLIENTS can be charged with being accessories, so why WEREN'T THEY? Why so few even indicted? They extradited Bill Julian, but didn't extradite Sarah Magoon, in a country we indeed do have an extradition treaty with, but they can't catch Dougy. Your explanations are just nonsense & make no sense.
The trial took so long to take place because of all the crap we heard about "judicial economy", and how all those indicted had to be properly allowed due process, but in the end, NEVER DID GET DUE & FAIR PROCESS. One Defendant, Sarah Magoon was never extradited & never arraigned, & the trial still took place. What about her rights & the "judicial economy" thing and rights being protected & observed & NOT WASTING THE COURT'S TIME.
Obviously no more charges of anyone else will take place, because the court cares so much about "judicial economy" & not to have to waste the Court's time, resources & money, so they got whatever fishes they wanted to fry already.
IF THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING THAT THE DOREAN PROCESS IS A SCAM, why not convict everyone?
How can it get any more obvious? All clients used either the mails or wires in their participation of the Dorean Process since many documents were also faxed & ALL CLIENTS USED FAXES AT LEAST ONCE. Paperwork had to be signed & sent to the Brokers. Brokers & clients used the internet to log in information & send information & ALL clients used the internet and emails to log in information or receive information, so they could even enter the process. Clients recorded quit claim deeds & mailed these quit claim deeds to County Recorders. Many Clients even recorded Dorean paperwork at County Recorders & many clients accepted telephone calls from the Dorean office & even sent correspondence to the Dorean Group office pertaining to the business & process. All clients used telephones to talk to their Broker.
Who's being stupid here? I've been saying this all along, ALL CLIENTS ARE GUILTY OF CONSPIRACY & MAIL OR WIRE FRAUD TOO SIMPLY BY BEING A CLIENT IF THE DOREAN PROCESS IS INDEED A SCAM IF THERE IS OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE TO BACK THAT UP by the laws.
All clients believed that they would get a discharge of mortgage, or why would they EVEN enter the process? Clients believed they wouldn't have to pay back their mortgage , so that's why they entered the process, so isn't this bank fraud too according to the indictment or the government's basis for bank fraud? There's no ignorance here on the part of any client what they expected for their money.
Since this is ACCEPTED BY YOU, & explained as the fraud of the dorean process in the indictment, WHY WEREN'T ALL CLIENTS CHARGED TOO & included in the government indictments? Don't give me this lack of culpability crap of some as if some are more guilty than others. And then say that only some are guilty of fraud SO THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO FILE A CLAIM WITH THE GOVERNMENT to get their entrance fees paid back. That's a total lie & INCONSISTENT WITH REALITY WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE & KNOW. Either the process isn't a scam, & THE ONE'S INDICTED WERE RAILROADED UNFAIRLY or ALL CLIENTS ARE GUILTY TOO ACCORDING TO THE LAW & should have been indicted too.
The FBI knew all the names of people that participated and their addresses & everything they needed to include them too if the government really wanted justice here. Remember they confiscated all the records on the Dorean raid & confiscated all the computer information.
Selective & unfair prosecution FOR A SELECT FEW, made Yick Wo win ON APPEAL & charges dropped, SO WHY NOT IN THE DOREAN CASE? If there are 4,000 co conspirators, or even 600 easy target co-conspirators, and only 6 indicted & convicted, isn't there something wrong with the judicial system & can't we conclude it's not about justice or the truth?
Notarial Dissent said: " So in other words someone has backed you in to a corner and you don’t want to give a straight answer, which is as good as an answer."
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Hey you don't believe in acquiesence by silence anyway. Dorean pulled that one on the banks they challenged, and YOU COMPLETELY REJECTED THE LEGAL THEORY, so why are you changing your viewpoint now?
Or then again, maybe you do accept this as a basis of truth & facts & YOU JUST LIED, AND ARE SHOWING YOUR HYPOCRISY now.
An unrebutted affidavit becomes facts to the court, but you are accepting much less now in my case as a basis to come to a judgment of truth against me. How convenient. LOL
What about your appeal that the banks had NO obligation to answer, but I do, as "an insignificant" or delusion person not living in reality, that was never charged? LOL
I have a moral obligation, but the banks have no moral obligation to fully disclose, but the presentment is worthy of the trash can. Well if I'm delusional out of touch with reality, where do my words belong? The trash can would be too good for me.
And yes Moogs, you are guilty of promoting the Dorean scam if not as a broker, then as a sockpuppet now,
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Sockpuppet fraud! Sockpuppet conspiracy! Oh that sounds bad, really bad.
I'm sure I'm going to be excommunicated over that & my public reputation is going to be marred forever.
The only problem is that I've done nothing to invoke any real hatred, or create any real enemies, so how many years in prison could that net me? Yet I'm suppose to be afraid too? Boy, I'm just confused.
Moogey nonsense
Here you go again making huge contradictions from your previous statements & others like you.
Oh, for instance what???? No, Moogs, what was said was that you were an insignificance, and that they hadn’t gotten around to you yet. The point being, that no one, at least to my knowledge, knows how much got sent to Dougy for sure. As to getting away, since he wasn’t involved in the actual scam, there is precious little to charge him on there, and since he is outside of US jurisdiction there isn’t much they can do about him one way or another unless he steps foot in some country that we have an extradition treaty with, we don’t with Latvia. You are raving again Moogs, hardly becoming.
Moogey nonsense
So the trial ISN'T COMPLETED? So how can you say that the Dorean Group will be in jail for life then?
Poor Moogs, still grasping at imaginary straws. The trial will be completed when the sentencing is pronounced in Feb, at which point it is a dead issue. The judge isn’t going to reverse the verdict, that is pure fantasy on your’s and Kurt’s parts, and until they are sentenced, they can’t appeal. That’s how it works Moogs, when property is seized in a fraud action the injured parties have to make application for return after the matter is judicially settled, and that is assuming that there is anything to distribute.
Moogey nonsense
A person applying for funds due to him, is not GUILTY WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL & CAN'T BE PRESUMED AS SUCH.
Never said they were. I said, in the sense that they had participated in the fraud, that they were guilty of some of the same crimes as the dim duo. That is considerably different than having been adjudged guilty of a crime.
Moogey nonsense
Yet the trial was all about the clients as BEING THE VICTIMS being defrauded since the bank fraud COULD NOT BE PROVEN & bank losses could not be validated.
No, Moogs, the trial was about mail and wire fraud, the bank fraud charges were dropped as being unnecessary, and there is not evidence that it was for lack of proof. They had proof of mail fraud, they could prove the other as well.
Moogey nonsense
Are you suggesting that the bank accounts in Latvia weren't in Kurt or Scott's name, or any D/B/A affiliated with the Dorean Group, but specifically in Dougy's name?
I’m not suggesting anything. I said the money was sent to Latvia. How Dougy buried it there is only speculation. You said 4 million, I didn’t.
Moogey nonsense
If the government has no extradition treaty, what's stopping the CIA to extradite or kidnap to bring someone to justice, as you would say? Don't tell me the CIA doesn't get involved in covert operations either.
You’ve got to be kidding? In the first place the CIA has no authority to do anything like and in the second I seriously doubt they would waste their time on another petty con man. Right now, the only legal recourse the govt has is to petition the Latvian govt for the return of fraudulently acquired funds, and that isn’t likely to happen.
Moogey nonsense
A Latvian account is NOT A REAL ASSET?
And in what court would they sue? US courts have no jurisdiction, and Latvia does recognize our legal process, so what would be the point?
Moogey nonsense
Why so few even indicted?
I have no idea, nor much do I care. The DOJ didn’t consult with me on who to indict and what charges to make, so I have no answer for who and why.
So far Dougy hasn’t been charged with anything, and since he wasn’t a direct participant in anything the dim duo was directly charged with it wasn’t likely he would be.
Moogey nonsense
Hey you don't believe in acquiesence by silence anyway. Dorean pulled that one on the banks they challenged, and YOU COMPLETELY REJECTED THE LEGAL THEORY, so why are you changing your viewpoint now?
The problem, is that you aren’t silent Moogie, your mouth is running all the time. You’ve made statements from time to time to the effect that you were and weren’t a Dorean broker, you’ve been asked if you were or weren’t, you prevaricate when you could simply say no, what do you think anyone not brain dead would surmise?
The problem with your affidavit analogy, is that it applies only to court, and only if it isn’t patently nonsense to begin with, and that it won’t be rebutted. Yours is and has been. Your words betray you, just as Kurt’s big mouth and his own hand betrayed him.
The banks had no obligation legal or otherwise to answer nonsense. You on the other hand have been spouting nonsense, and keep making statements, and when you are challenged on them you squirm. You are the one who made the statements, you are just being asked which ones are true?
Moogey nonsense
I have a moral obligation, but the banks have no moral obligation to fully disclose, but the presentment is worthy of the trash can.
The banks have a “legal” obligation to fully disclose all the terms and conditions of the loan, and they do that in the loan documents presented at closing. That is the totality of the contract and agreement. There is nothing outside of that document, and you have yet to present anything but nonsense that says otherwise. You have an obligation to behave morally, something you seem to have convenient lapses of memory with regard to. If you don’t want to answer the question, then quit making contradictory statements and lying about having made them.
Moogey nonsense
Well if I'm delusional out of touch with reality, where do my words belong? The trash can would be too good for me.
Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Moogey nonsense
The only problem is that I've done nothing to invoke any real hatred, or create any real enemies,
Do I detect a note of paranoia and self pity, with just a touch of guilt there Moogs??? Surely not. Don't flatter yourself Moogs, you don't even rate as a fly speck on the radar screen. Morally confused for certain.
Notarial Dissent said: "you prevaricate when you could SIMPLY SAY NO, what do you think anyone not brain dead would surmise?"
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Isn't that how the dorean presentment looks to anyone that isn't brain dead?
All the banks had to do is put in writing & say, "no, we didn't give you a loan. We just used your own funds, (the promissory note) to enable us to return the credits back to you & called it a loan, but we didn't risk or loan any of our own assets in the loan process. After all, promissory notes are the currency in this economy & WE USED YOURS AT NO BENEFIT OR CONSIDERATION TO YOU."
Lenders just prevaricate as you say, pretending that they are the creditor in the transaction, by not answering simply yes or no questions, when in fact they aren't the true creditor.
notorial dissent please STOP YOUR WHINNING. GEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Man you must have gottin screwed by someone in the past really bad.
But I'm sure it was your own fault.
Go have a crown and coke.
None of this shit has ANYTHING to do with you . Are you that LONELY?
Poor rearend, nice to see your powers of observation and deduction are on a par with the Moogs, in other words sweetums, don’t give up your corner, you don’t have a future anywhere else.
Not that it is in any way shape or form any of your business, but if the Moogie is free to spout his nonsense, then I am free to point out what a fatuous ass he is, if only on the premise that there might be someone out there dumber than he is who might actually think he knows anything about what he is talking about.
A thankless task, but ever so much fun.
Judge/ND Your so sad you think your smart but your actions and words make you look like the FOOL that you are. Youe just a Kurt wannabe.
Your just a Kurt wannabe.
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