Wednesday, January 09, 2008

Emmanuel - Part 1 (December 19, 2007)

For the Christian this name is the focal point of our hope. If Christ never appeared as a man than Christianity is a farce. Paul says that the resurrection is our hope and that is the truth, but we can't get there until we can prove Jesus existed. There must be a life to deliver to death and resurrection. Most people have never spent 15 minutes of their lives researching this matter and yet all are authoritarians on this subject. Look how many blowhards there are on this Blog where it is obvious they are neophytes to spiritual truth much less real history. I want to take you down a little logical trek on this subject if you will indulge me a short moment. First I will tell you that this name is so essential to my strength that I don't think I could have survived this trial without this truth. It is why I want to share it with you in hope some of the strength rubs off. When I think about the circumstance before my eyes it can be overwhelming. Most of you don't understand the pressure I've been under. I have my best friend in peril, my wife and marriage in peril, and my reputation and work effort in peril. Though I could be right I still have a powerful enemy that is greater than I. I must look to the hope of God himself spanning time and the divide of death to reach to me. This miracle in itself breeds an unshakable hope. If that love is real enough for a physical and historical expression then it is something I can trust in. Death is more powerful than Alsup will ever be. Even he is subject to it and dwells in it. I have been loved if there was an incarnation but perhaps not fully until the resurrection. It's like this. There is an eternal job to do and showing up to put your hand to the plough is the beginning but the field must be worked and the harvest delivered to complete the task. It is love to appear but it is love's endures and truthfulness to finish. That is why the resurrection is essential. Let's look at the facts, shall we?

The first factual question of history is did Jesus live at all? This can be proved by non-Christian historians like Josephus, Phileo, and others. Next, was He crucified? Again these historians and Roman records verify this event. Was He considered dead? I intentionally didn't say he died because that question needs further examination. What His reporters in the gospels put down may not be historically accurate so we can not yet give them that sanction. Was He buried in a known accessible tomb? This we know because the Romans and the Jews knew where to find Him as well as the supplier of the tomb knew its location. He was preached - raised-empty tomb-ascension. An unusual story and not an easy fabrication to forward. Did the Jewish Leaders have a motive in this story? They most certainly did, not to have their religious beliefs altered in anyway and to keep their patrons and power intact. The Disciples were persecuted. Foxes book of martyrs and many other sources document this historical fact. The tomb was empty. The Romans soldiers problems and the Jewish Leader problems make it clear by their made up stories that the tomb they had knowledge of placing the body in was now empty. With these facts what options are available to our reason. This is to develop a historical certainty that is the best we have without being a first hand eyewitness.

Options: The Disciples stole the body. This is quite possible if they were attempting to protect a lie and to foster a new religion with themselves in power. Jewish Leaders stole the body. They might want to prevent others like the disciples from making the claim of resurrection so they could preemptively steal the body to make a show of it later, but that never happened. They made up stories that are not consistent with their theft. What benefit was the body to them when they were trying to squelch a spiritual uprising around the sanctity of this body? The Roman leaders stole the body. They likewise had the stories of the soldiers who were put to death as a direct conflict to their plan to steal the body. This man's body, death, and burial were a heated political subject with many conflicting interest. They gained nothing by enhancing the myth of this "Son of God" thing. The women went to the wrong tomb. This is a simple enough idea but one must remember that these women know the supplier of the tomb and would have been involved in the spectacle of His body being placed there. The very fact that they took the Sabbath off to return to prepare the body is evidence they had an idea of where to come back to otherwise they would have not expected to return to perform their task. Hallucinations - dreams. This is not a possibility because it is almost impossible for people to share hallucinations and dreams. Further because of the huge cross section of parties and motives the stories would not coincide on detail. Further the women told others who came to the tomb and found the burial cloth as they had said. The Roman soldiers lost their life over their hallucinations not a standard practice. Jesus revived. This is the hope of the Holy Blood Holy Grail story. He was considered dead by many different soldiers in fact one did not break his legs a very long custom because he was dead already. Everyone was wailing at his death and preparing him with the spices of death. The tomb was sealed and not accessible. Crucifixion was not normally survived. If he was revived their would have been attendance to his wounds and notification to parties either to sequester him away from his enemies or to have him brought again before them. The actions of all show a death, a real death. Disciples lied. This is probably the first real option. An examination of them must be had to see if this option has any merit. Lastly the Disciples told the truth. This also is a real option but their lives must be examined to ferret this out.

37 comments:

notorial dissent said...

Kurt B.S Part 1

Ah the old when you run out of lies and cannot come with any more nonsense to justify an indefensible position then change the subject to something totally unrelated and pretend like it is more important than the lies you were telling to begin with gambit.

Nice try Kurt, but you are still a liar and a fraud, and trying to disguise that behind religion isn’t going to change that fact. You’re still a liar and a fraud, and just goes to prove how really low you are.

habakkuk said...

notorial dissent,

Are you on the banker's payroll or something? Geeeese! If so, no one can say that you don't punch in on time for work everyday. You are the first to show up at the office and the last to leave.

truth be told said...

notary disolved....
has a herniated hematoma
brain....
hes not happy unless hes always attacking others..
forever frustrated in his own skin..
his life suckes so bad he has to get what little enjoyment by coming onto this forum and bashing people he dont even know...
what a spinless jerkoff...
awarded loser of the millineum...
bug off loser...someday you will get yours...
notary.......notorial loser.......

habakkuk said...

WASHINGTON - Telephone companies have cut off FBI wiretaps used to eavesdrop on suspected criminals because of the bureau's repeated failures to pay phone bills on time

LOL!!!!

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "You cannot come with any more nonsense to justify an indefensible position then change the subject to something totally unrelated and pretend like it is more important than the lies"
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It's not "changing the subject" as you believe.

The latest blog is just reasons to show that Jesus lives today, was a living person, really in fact died, & was resurrected. Jesus is the Dorean Group's strength & inspiration & mentor.

Since God is alive & well, he is still directing the paths of his servants & He in fact is interested in this subject matter and the end of this controversy, hence the subject is not unrelated.

I've never seen a liar that runs out of lies, but you claim that you have? LOL

mr. bean said...

I was in the convenience store yesterday, and you would never beleive who I saw in there.

IT WAS THE US TREASURY SECRETARY!

I thought meself, no it could not possibly be him. He's dead, deader than Columbus I thought.

I dont know.

Maybe it was Paulson.

Maybe it wasnt.

Maybe it was.

Maybe it wasnt.

Maybe it was.

Maybe it wasnt.

Maybe it was.

Maybe it wasnt.

Maybe it was.

Maybe it wasnt.

I think that I am losing me mind.

mr. bean said...

And look! Now someone has just flashed a pic of Paulson on me computer screed!

No matter where I seem to go, I see the US Treasury Sec.

There was even a guy down at my bank while cashing a check that looked like him.

This is mad.

He's everywhere!

near the end said...

Yeah; oh notorial dissent is a sad case.

He must know that everyone hates him.

His wife and kids can't stand him and the only Joy he gets in life is Bashing people he does'nt even know.

Poor little guy!!!!!!

Ya want a back rub I really do feel Bad for ya little guy!!!!!!!!!

near the end said...

Yeah; oh notorial dissent is a sad case.

He must know that everyone hates him.

His wife and kids can't stand him and the only Joy he gets in life is Bashing people he does'nt even know.

Poor little guy!!!!!!

Ya want a back rub I really do feel Bad for ya little guy!!!!!!!!!

~~The Swami~~~ said...

notorial dissent said...
Kurt B.S Part 1

Nice try Kurt, but you are still a liar and a fraud, and trying to disguise that behind religion isn’t going to change that fact. You’re still a liar and a fraud, and just goes to prove how really low you are.





Notorial Dissent, I don't get to read this blog as much as I once did. I must have missed it, but could you please tell me how Kurt has hurt you on a personal level. I think your comments today have really crossed the line. You have taken being a jerk to a whole new level. How Kurt's comments make you so angry..........I don't get it. The hate in you and inability to forgive and forget will soon turn your heart into a water balloon.......and burst. I don't hate my ex wife as much as you hate Kurt. Your bias opinions are so one sided...........nobody can take you seriously. Chill out man. Chill out. Let the man be. Like it or not Kurt DID try and do something for you by making this banking system more fair. You have made your point. Please stop.

notorial dissent said...

What’s a matter Ka ka, having a hard day of it at the burger scrunge?? I’m sure they must have some more pots for you to scrub, why don’t you get back to it and let the adults play.

Moogey, Kurt’s over wheening ego and hypocrisy aside, his cloaking his crimes in blasphemy has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he is a liar, a cheat, and a twice convicted fraud, although he would very much like to have you forget that. All his pious sounding words and abuses of the scriptures do not change the fact that he is a liar and a fraud, and a thief. That you persist in parroting his lies says more about your general lack of moral character than anything else.

notorial dissent said...

Moogey, the only thing I find more despicable than people who hide behind religion to commit or justify their crimes, theft, fraud, criminal impersonation, you know, all the things Kurt did, are people who abuse children or animals. There is no excuse for them, and as far as I am concerned, there is no mercy on this side of the veil, and a very particularly nasty place in Hell reserved for them afterwards. Followed closely by those who aid and abet them.

near the end said...

notorial dissent; the fact that your family hates you is noone on this blog's fault; "Little Guy".

Let your hate go man.

Go find a good shrink somewhere and let your feelings out to them; and then maybe they can help you.

What you say now on this Blog sounds like this to everyone you make no sense. "BLAH BLAH BLAH"

I'm not suggesting your an evil Man just very misguided.

I bet you did'nt have a Father figure growing up.

Are you an Adult now?

I'm not asking to be mean just because of your immature post's is why I'm asking!!!!LOL.

I'll be your friend if you need one just ask Little Guy just ask.

near the end said...

notorial dissent; the fact that your family hates you is noone on this blog's fault; "Little Guy".

Let your hate go man.

Go find a good shrink somewhere and let your feelings out to them; and then maybe they can help you.

What you say now on this Blog sounds like this to everyone you make no sense. "BLAH BLAH BLAH"

I'm not suggesting your an evil Man just very misguided.

I bet you did'nt have a Father figure growing up.

Are you an Adult now?

I'm not asking to be mean just because of your immature post's is why I'm asking!!!!LOL.

I'll be your friend if you need one just ask Little Guy just ask.

truth be told said...

notary dissent dildo brain
is really Kurts ex-wife

huh you say...

truth be told...


hahaha hahaha ah aha

truth be told
read the posts

Dr. Caligari said...

Near the End said:

Are you an Adult now?

I'm not asking to be mean just because of your immature post's is why I'm asking!!!!LOL.


I'll take "unintended irony" for $100, Alex.

near the end said...

Hey doc glad to see you play.

near the end said...

notorial dissent hey little fella ya doin ok?

I miss ya little guy!!!

Hope your a little nicer to the misses and kids tonight!!!

I'm grillin steak and shrimp tonight and drinkin wine life is great don't you agree?

well try not to be down and keep your head up there little fella!!

near the end said...

notorial dissent hey little fella ya doin ok?

I miss ya little guy!!!

Hope your a little nicer to the misses and kids tonight!!!

I'm grillin steak and shrimp tonight and drinkin wine life is great don't you agree?

well try not to be down and keep your head up there little fella!!

near the end said...

Hey I was watchin old Andy Griffth tonight and old Barn saved Helen and Andy from that cave was'nt that a great show!!!

N D hey man I really do care about you man.

I can evan go so far as to say I LOVE YOU MAN!!! and I don't care who knows!!!

I think we are alot alike in alot of ways.

The only thing is I don't like to screw people and that's where we differ.

That's ok thou I can live with that!!! See ya around Little Fella!!!!!!!!

neodemes said...

"What His reporters in the gospels put down may not be historically accurate so we can not yet give them that sanction."

How heretical of you to say so, st. kurt.

How can you attempt to wield the Sword of the Spirit if you don't believe it is valid?

:-|

believerandfollower said...

truth be told said:

notary dissent dildo brain
is really Kurts ex-wife

WHICH ex-wife? He has 2 ya know.

notorial dissent said...

more Kurt whinings
Most of you don't understand the pressure I've been under. I have my best friend in peril, my wife and marriage in peril, and my reputation and work effort in peril. Though I could be right I still have a powerful enemy that is greater than I.

Well, you are right about one thing most of the people who are reading your nonsense aren’t in jail, aren’t twice convicted felons, and aren’t liars and frauds from beginning to end. Your best friend, wife, and marriage are in peril by your actions and over bloated ego, and the crimes you committed, and your reputation, such as it ever was, is as a twice convicted felon, a crook, a liar, a fraud, a con artist, and general all ‘round incompetent, who when push comes to shove tries to cloak his crimes under a veneer of fraudulent religion and self serving platitudes, and the only work you will be doing for the remainder of your life is the federal equivalent of making license plates. There will be pork in the treetops before you will ever be right, and in truth, your greatest enemy is your very own, very big mouth and over bloated ego. They have put you were you are and will keep you there the rest of your days and you have no one to blame save yourself. Yet somehow, it is still always someone else’s fault isn’t it Kurt?

Still trying to cut a bargain, pitiful, you’re running out of venues old boy.

Then we have Kurt the apostle, busily trying to rewrite the bible to suit his own pathetic view of the universe and to try and buy his soul out of purgatory. Even more pathetic and appalling. But then, what is one more lie when you’ve already told yourself and everyone else so many and then one more set of fantasies when reality is such a bitch, huh Kurt, well get used to it. Let us know when you get around to writing yourself into the gospels and anointing yourself for sainthood, it ought to be worth at least as much as the bills of exchange you printed to get out of jail.

near the end said...

notorial dissent; Still makeing yourself feel better by bashing someone who is down.


That's why your family can't stand you and you have no friends little fella.

Take my advice little guy go get some prof. help.

Your boring ramps on this blog are meaningless and somewhat childlike.








It mkes you look like the fool that you are.


I really do feel sorry for you; my little friend!!!!!!!!!

near the end said...

notorial dissent; Still makeing yourself feel better by bashing someone who is down.


That's why your family can't stand you and you have no friends little fella.

Take my advice little guy go get some prof. help.

Your boring ramps on this blog are meaningless and somewhat childlike.








It mkes you look like the fool that you are.


I really do feel sorry for you; my little friend!!!!!!!!!

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Notorial Dissent, didn't Paul Simon write a song about you once called,"Still an ASS after all these years"?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

HOW 'BOUT THOSE COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!! Uhhhh.........nevermind........we lost.

mogel007 said...

Then we have Kurt the apostle, busily trying to rewrite the bible to suit his own pathetic view of the universe and to try and buy his soul out of purgatory.
__________________________________

Notarial Dissent: It sounds like YOU are the one rewriting the Bible yourself by inferring there is a place called "purgatory". Show me the scripture and verse of such a place, or is this just another post of your own vain imaginations & your own perverted view of the universe?

notorial dissent said...

Nice try at deflection Moogs, sorry, still no cookie. We’re not talking about my beliefs or use of metaphor, we’re talking about Kurt trying to rewrite what the apostles said or didn’t say, and did and to insert his slimy self into the picture.

The fact remains that Kurt is a liar, a fraud, a cheat, a swindler, a twice convicted felon, who is now trying to cloak his crimes behind a false piety, a blasphemer, and is now adding heresy to his repertoire. A stirling list of accomplishments.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent: What specific heresy are you referring to?

mogel007 said...

NOtarial Dissent:

Complete the following sentences with factual accuracy:

Kurt is a liar because....
Kurt is a cheat because....
Kurt is a fraud because...
Kurt is a swindler because....
Kurt is pious because....
Kurt is a blasphemer because...
Kurt has committed crimes because...

just what is "maricrime law? said...

find out.

you life just might depend on it.

go here:


autarchic.tripod.com/files/
specialmaritimeexposed.pdf

just what is "maricrime law? said...

looks like some people are getting these thing in the mail called "packets"?

they worth $6 mill these packets?

anyone no?


Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:18 PM




When we go to B of A to receive packets, we feel insecure. Advise please.

Can a financial advisor go along or will this harm the non-disclosure requirements?

I want to take the packet home to read the 50 pages. What if the bank says I have to read it there and make deposits there? I hope to deposit in some other bank but hope not to have to discuss it with the bank.

If pin numbers for the cards are in the packet, when I walk out with the packet I could be held up and the cards with the pin numbers could be stolen.

Could a bank guard walk me to my car? They, too, know that major resources are in the packets.

The story line from the bank will sound like stern policies and we will want to do as told. We may be told that the checks MUST be deposited then and now. This type of conflict will be difficult to handle diplomaticaly. Any advice?

Can you restate that argument more clearly?

Thanks Dr. Edward Lias (936) 560-5400

Financial Advisor to a Packet Holder.

just what is "maricrime law? said...

Could a bank guard walk me to my car?



lol for what?

to guard 50 pieces of typewritted paper?

its just all a packet of lies.

just what is "maricrime law? said...

and by the way, in your pocket money, try to save as many rainbow currency as you can and spend the other non rainbow currency.

the rainbow currency will be backed by gold just like in the old days.

the gold currency has a gold colored number on the lower right hand side of the bill.

so a $20 bill has a gold 20 on the lower right.


pay to bearer on demand $20 in Gold.

just what is "maricrime law? said...

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who said taht?

just what is "maricrime law? said...

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what?