"God's Truth is God's love, and God's love frees us from ourselves to be free for others. To be free means nothing else than to be in this love, and to be in this love means nothing else than to be in God's truth.
The people who love, because they are freed through the truth of God, are the most revolutionary people on earth. They are the ones who upset all values; they are the explosives in human society. Such persons are the most dangerous. For they have recognized that people are untruthful in the extreme, and they are ready at any time, and just for the sake of love, to permit the light of truth to fall on them. This disturbance of peace, which comes to the world through these people, provokes the world's hatred. Therefore, the knight of truth and love is not the hero whom people worship and honor, who is free of enemies, but the one whom they cast out, whom they want to get rid of, whom they declare an outlaw, whom they kill. The way, which God's truth in the world has gone, leads to the cross.
From this we know that all truth which exists in the presence of God must lead to the cross. The community that follows Christ must go with him to the cross. Because of their truth and freedom they will be hated by the world. Nor can a people find truth and freedom if they do not place themselves in the judgment of God's truth. Likewise, a people will remain in untruth and slavery until such time as they receive and continue to receive their truth and their freedom from God alone, until they know that truth and freedom lead to love; indeed, until they know that the way of love leads to the cross. If a people are really able to acknowledge this today, then they will be the only people who have the right to call themselves a free people, and only people that are not slaves to themselves, but who are the free servants of God's truth."
This is a quote from a sermon of Dietrich Bonhoeffer as the world was progressing to WWII. What I like about this quote is that it is timeless. The war all men face is the internal one between their evil hearts and God's truth. I have never had the freedom to be a crook, a messiah, or any other accusation made upon me. Those who make the comments are not free, they are the ones in a prison sentence for life. I can enjoy being hated by this world and even condemned as an outlaw because I live in God's truth. I can be honest and call the slaves retards because I know truth and freedom. Slaves are never a threat to the free person and they never will be. God's love can flow through the free person even to his enemies precisely because he is free. He knows what slavery is and has been delivered from it. He has entered another dimension of understanding and wisdom that the slave does not know or trust. The slave only lives by what he sees and only puts God to a test before he will surrender. It is like the difference between Moses and Aaron. They are both of the same line and both have a call of God on their life but one succumbs to the impatient selfish religious person and one delivers the Word of God. I deliver the word even though it may be over a painfully long protracted time frame. Those whose eyes have not seen signs and wonders grow impatient and accuse me of death. They find the Aaron' of this world to tickle their ears and give them a god of their own making. They are very reverent people and they do want a relationship with worship, devotion, and duty but not necessarily one of honor, and obedience. They definitely do not want a cross. Christ made it clear that the community of saints was His body and we all must share in the cross to share in the resurrection. To avoid the death of the cross is to avoid the life that follows. You can't teach this to a slave who fights for the death they call life. This must come by revelation from Christ and He is particular about whom He calls. There will be no retards in heaven and that is a guarantee. Seek the Lord while He may be found. Be patient and see the hand of the Lord deliver. Even if you seek a sign only one will be given you. That is the sign of Jonah which is death to you and life in Christ. Even your sign seeking condemns you.
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scott from v-land:
tithing is OT so i dont agree it applies todayu.
pastors- none, so above applies. i am not tithing to "pastors" they can get a job like everynone else.
tithing is giving to god. you want to give to homeless (i do) fine. i am not giving to people who preach theology; what pastors do.
like ive said, you want to give them spiritual auth. over you, your choice,but dont try to convince me to do it.
assembly of christians- i do everyday i go to the convenicne store, gas station, ballgame, golf, etc.
these are all christians whom i am assembling with.
i dont need to go into the house of satan, 501(c) incorporated churches to do this.
nuff said?
island of satan--jesrusalem
mansion of satan--rome
footstools of satan--501c incorporated churches
minions of satan--"pastors"
blind followers of satan--those who follow the above
satan teaching schools--theology schools/universities
i dont need to go into the house of satan, 501(c) incorporated churches to do this.
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of course, if you dont see the dg argument, and the UCC, then you would also not see that ALL CHURCHES, as 501c orgs. are FIRST AND FOREMOST, AGENTS OF THE STATE.
they are ALLOWED to exist. provided that they follow rules of the STATE.
agian, yeshua would have not had, nor had he, anything to do with this inc. church stuff.
there are no verses in the bible about it.
one of those things, either you get it, or you dont.
Why don't any of the naysayers discuss the 13 points that Kurt brought up in his former post? Not one intelligent response to this post, why is that? Certainly Kurt's points were more interesting than the allegation that all churches are run by the State, or the allegation that the Old Testament is now scriptually irrelevant, or the allegation that Christ's church couldn't possibly be here on earth because Satan rules the earth now.
The silence can't be due to the idea that the naysayers were too agitated or frustrated by Kurt's words and actions, that's for sure!!!! Maybe my words & points can bring out some dissention here from ANYONE, if not some justifiable retort if not a justifable hateful remark tot he truth !!!!
Maybe even Scott from Vineland, can show his extreme frustration towards me caused by my latest post by me adding, that I believe he owes Kurt an apology by pretending to be his friend!!!
Notarial Dissent, where are you when your wisdom and input is so needed in this time of crisis? LOL
If there is no real dissent on all 13 points, maybe after all, the Dorean Group should be freed and were in fact convicted upon wrongful legal principles. They only need one loophole to go free. They have plenty. :o)
Point 1: No financial institutions showed up at the trial. Indictment pled only financial institutions according to Title 18:20
Point 2: Conspiracy count as worded was duplicitious and can't be cured by any remedy except retrial and a new indictment. Problem is double jeopardy comes into play.
Point 3: Prosecution pled one victim (lenders) and brought in others not pled (Dorean clients) which left a sufficiency of evidence problem for the convictions.
Point 4: The jury instructions WERE DEFICIENT on 2 mandatory instructions that were ommitted and 3-4 others that should have been addressed based upon the evidence submitted.
Point 5: A dozen abuses of Judge Alsup's discretion and how will an appelate court view these discretions?
Point 6: Without financial institutions testimony of evidence, there is no jurisdictional hook that supposedly gave the Feds an interest in this case to bring to trial.
Point 7: List Federal victims that appeared at the trial? There was none. Big problem, Scott from Vineland, don't you agree?
Point 8: The indictment pled damages of loan loss, but no losses were presented into evidence.
Point 9: Prosecution changed the element of loss to honest service to dorean clients, which was not proven.
Point 10: Prosecution changed victims and elements of the crime WITHOUT PLEADING THESE THINGS which created DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS & PROBLEMS of a fair trial being given.
Point 11: Statute 1341 is vague as to the roperty rights in question. If it's specific, no proof was offered in court, and without evidence, you can't convict. If the wroding of this law is vaugue, than due process requires adequate notice of the charges. Where & when was this proper notice given the Dorean Group to defend?
Point 12: The indictment was constructively amended by various changes that removed the necessary elements of the crimes and the jury was never instructed of their necessity or absence. How do you fix this abuse of due process now? Overturn convictions?
Point 13. Sentencing guidelines must fit the crimes, or you can't enforce the convictions.
Judge Alsup turning down the Dorean Group's appeal isn't enough. the Judge has already shown his extreme prejudice and his actions has already tainted the guilty verdict & the Judge's actions have FRUSTRATED MANY. Judge Alsup lost jurisdiction long ago if he even had it in the first place.
Mogel; I already tried my friend; and not one word from any of them about Kurt's points; Wow; what are they admitting now?
Kurt is talkin to a reporter you can bet on it.
How dare any to question my authority as I sit high above the court room,wrapped in the American flag and inspiring moral certainty.Ask any of my fools at quatloose,especially that self loathing Notorial Dissent will back up my inncomprehensible blather, riddled with ornate flubdubs and replete with more mumbo jumbo.
Your motion for justice is DENIED
WHAT A FUCKING FRAUD YOU ARE CRIMINAL BOY. YOU GOT JAIL HOUSE RELIGION CAUSE THE CRIPS AND MS-13 BEEN CREEPIN IN YOUR LITTLE WHITE BUNG HOLE JOHNSON.
YOUR ASS IS GOING TO BE LOCKED UP WITH THE REST OF YOU SOCIOPATHIC CRIMINALS.
MAY YOU ROT IN HELL FOR YOUR SINS FOR ALL ETERNITY
JESUSISMYNAME- OUT, 10-4,AND ALL THAT GOOD CRAP.
I'LL BE RIDING YOUR OLE LADY WHILE YOU'RE IN THE JOINT. IN AND OUT SLOW THAN FAST.
BACK DAT ASS UP.....
BY THE WAY THAT JESUS CRAP YOU PREACH SHOWS HOW WEAK A FOOL YOU ARE. YOU NEED A CRUCH. WHY NOT TRY ALAH, HE IS GROWING FASTER THESE DAYS THAN J IS. OR WHY NOT BUDDHA HE IS A COOL DUDE. HE'S PEOPLE MAKE ALL THE STUFF AT WAL MART AND THE TOYS YOUR KIDS PLAY WITH.
YOU E-VANGEL'S ARE IDIOTS.
HILLARY IS GONNA ROUND YOU ALL UP AND SEND YOU TO THE HOOD FOR BUNG HOLE CLEANINGS.
Well said satanismyname. You done me proud.
jesusismyname. NO RETARDS IN HEAVEN. THIS MEANS YOU.
"...COME OUT OF HER©, MY PEOPLE, LEST YOU SUFFER HER PLAGUES..."
WHO IS "HER"©????
501c I-N-C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E-D
CHURCHES©
a.k.a. "THE WOMAN"© WHO RIDES THE BEAST©
THE WOMAN© a.k.a. KNOW AS "THE WHORE"© sold her body all over the planet; makes soliders kill for her, etc.
a.k.a. FOUR SQUARE CHURCH OF SATAN©
a.k.a. TRINITY PRESBYSATANIAN CHURCH©
a.k.a. SATANS BAPTIST CHURCH©
a.k.a. SATANS WITNESSES©
a.k.a. SATANS TEMPLE IN UTAH©
a.k.a. YOUR LOCAL SINAGOG©
SATANS THRONE IN ROME©
THE BEAST© a.k.a. THE STATE©, a.k.a. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA©,
....any i missed?
games over. time to blow the lid off the truth©.
sop said...
tithing is OT so i dont agree it applies todayu.
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What about Acts 5:1-11? That was NT last I checked.
sop said...
i am not tithing to "pastors" they can get a job like everynone else.
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Giving a portion of your tithe to a local church does more than pay the pastors salary.
sop said...
tithing is giving to god. you want to give to homeless (i do) fine
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That is an admirable thing. I believe that God will bless those who help the poor in His name.
sop said...
assembly of christians- i do everyday i go to the convenicne store, gas station, ballgame, golf, etc.
these are all christians whom i am assembling with.
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They're ALL Christians? Are they all in one accord? Setting aside their worldly distractions to enter into an attitude of worship? What convenicne store, gas station, ballgame, golf, etc. are you going to?
sop said...
i dont need to go into the house of satan, 501(c) incorporated churches to do this.
nuff said?
island of satan--jesrusalem
mansion of satan--rome
footstools of satan--501c incorporated churches
minions of satan--"pastors"
blind followers of satan--those who follow the above
satan teaching schools--theology schools/universities
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You are some kind of paradox, dude. I still believe that you must have had some traumatic experience in some really messed up church earlier in your life.
mogel007 said...
If there is no real dissent on all 13 points, maybe after all, the Dorean Group should be freed and were in fact convicted upon wrongful legal principles. They only need one loophole to go free. They have plenty. :o)
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I guess we'll see...
mogel007 said...
Maybe even Scott from Vineland, can show his extreme frustration towards me caused by my latest post by me adding, that I believe he owes Kurt an apology by pretending to be his friend!!!
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Arrrrrrggghh! This extreme frustration is killin' me!
judge allslop, your motion to reject our reality in favor of your own is denied.
They're ALL Christians? Are they all in one accord?
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
for once i will agree with you!
NO! they are not all in accord.
certainly not any more in accord than the 2755 "denominations" of christians in you local churches(c)
bwt, esplain "denominations" of christians???????
satan sure came up with a good one there!
really subtle too! he sure got everyone fooled who believes that there are "catgories" of christians
LOLOLOL!!!!!!
catlicks
prostates
moomons
passedbytearians
babbletists
7th day
6th day
2 3/4 day
unitarian
fondlementalists
yep. theys all untied, everynone of em.
how come they no church of the HS???
wierd huh?
SOP, your representation of what a spirit filled person is, is frightening.
op said...
tithing is OT so i dont agree it applies todayu.
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What about Acts 5:1-11? That was NT last I checked.
giving to the poor is not TIHING.
it is being charitable.
tithing was a specific donation to the temple
THERE ARE NO TEMPLES IN EXISTENCE TODAY.
EXCUSE ME, THERE ARE.
AS IVE SAID IN MY PREVIOUS POST, SATAN DOES HAVE MANY TEMPLES(c)
so you can donat 10% of you money to satans temples/churches(c)
sopsback said...
for once i will agree with you!
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Oh, come on. I think we have agreed on other things before this.
sop said...
giving to the poor is not TIHING.
it is being charitable.
tithing was a specific donation to the temple
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Tithing is just a word to me. Let's call it something else. Giving back a portion of what God has provided. Doesn't have to be a church. I don't always give 10% to my church because I have other worthy causes that I also like to support.
neodemes said...
SOP, your representation of what a spirit filled person is, is frightening.
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i agree.
and you would of been frightened if you were in front of yeshua too.
he gave the plain truth.
he didnt candy coat it like everyone else does, and neither do i.
you just dont have enuf HS in you to not be scared.
if you ever met me, you would see that i bring the truth about this world.
and its ugly.
yeshua was a pessimist about this world.
none of us live in a day of christian prosecution.
we sit in church on a sunday, for those who dont know any better, then out to the restaurant and chat a bit, fill our bellys, all is good.
just keep in mind what ive told you. it may save your life someday, becasue we will soon be retruning to the time when there was a price to be paid for being a christian.
TODAY YOU CAN BE A CHRISTIAN AND NO PRICE IS PAID.
IN YESHUAS DAY, A CHRISTIAN WALKED AROUND WITH BULLSEYE ON HIS BACK. YES, AS IN TARGETED FOR DEATH. DO YOU? DO I? ALL THESE CHURCH PEPOLE ARE SUNDAY MORNING CHRISTIANS. WE'LL SEE WHEN THE REAL GAME STARTS. BELIEVE ME, YOU WOULD WANT ME ON YOUR TEAM, NOT THE FEEL GOOD, THE WORLD IS ALRIGHT STEAK AND LOWENBRAU TYPES WHO WILL FOLD LIKE A CHEAP SUIT WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. THEY HAVE TO, BECASUE THEY DONT HAVE THE TRUTH AND HS WISDOM TO GO WITH IT. THEY DO HAVE YESHUA, BUT THAT WILL NOT GET THEM FAR. IT WILL BE SPIRITUAL WARFARE. THESE SUNDAY MORNING CHRISTIANS WILL REACH FOR THEIR GUN AND GET THMESLEVES KILLED IS ALL. WISDOM IS NEEDED FOR SPIRTIUAL WARFARE. "OUR WEAPONS ARE NOT CARNAL"
SAME ONES PRAYING FOR SOLDIERS, AND YOU CALL ME FRIGHTENING. I DONT WANT ANYTHNG TO DO WITH THOSE WHO PRAY TO STAY ALIVE WHILE THEY KILL.
NOW THAT MY FRIEND IS FRIGHTENING!
NO!!! SO HOW CAN YOU SIT THERE AND SAY THAT WHAT I SAY IS FRIGHTENING.
and as i have more wisdom than most, by what i say, its the so called "christians"(c) who will come after me first, thinking that they are doing gods work.
but, if you carefully analyze what i have written, it is all truth.
it would sound heartless only to those who dont know enuf truth or have HS wisdom.
rember, i speak harshly, but in person i am not harsh.
its not possible. for someone to have much wisdom and treat others harshly.
rember that.
you judge me as a mean person, the same as you would of judged yeshua when he told the scribes, pharisees, sadducess, etc. that the temple days were DONE, FINISHED, FINIS, ETC.
they just didnt want to hear it, and neither does anyone here.
there are no biblical churches in existence.
the OT is an historical doc.
there is no tithing
I CANT HELP IF PEOPLE DONT HAVE HS WISDOM????
WHAT DO YOU WANT FORM ME???
COMPROMISE, SO THAT YOU WILL LIKE ME??
AINT HAPPENING.
I GOT TO GO TO BED AT NIGHT FACING THE SUPREME JUDGE OF THE UNIVERSE, YESHUA HAMASHIACH, NOT YOU.
WHAT CAN I SAY?
BUT YOU WILL FIND OUT VERY SOON, AS WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO AN APOCALYPSE.
SUFFERING BRINGS TRUTH.
sop...
bwt, esplain "denominations" of christians???????
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Groups of people with different styles of worship. Always in one accord? No, unfortunately. Were the churches at Phillipi, Ephesus and Thesolonica all the same? No, but that didn't stop Paul from ministering to all of them with the same love. Even the troubled church at Corinth was important to him. Denominations are divisive, I'll grant you. But I find it a stretch to call them a device of Satan.
Satan DOES have power in this world but I think perhaps you give him too much credit sometimes.
sop said...
WHAT DO YOU WANT FORM ME???
COMPROMISE, SO THAT YOU WILL LIKE ME??
AINT HAPPENING.
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Good. I would not want you to compromise your principals, even though I disagree with a lot of those principals. But it would be nice if you could acknowledge the possibilty that I can be a real Christian without believing everything that you believe.
Satan DOES have power in this world but I think perhaps you give him too much credit sometimes.
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on the contrary. i dont give him enuf credit in this world.
satan has the power to kill, make people sick, make people...lie, steal, cheat, etc.
the only thing that he cannot do is steal the soul of the elect.
your soul is guranteed, your body is not.
look, if i say things that are the truth, you will eventually come to the same truth on your own once youve heard it.
truth has the same vibrational frequency to it.
so it will resonate in your heart.
but it will take time, like a worm to eat into you.
and when it does, you will see taht ive given you truth at a higher level than you now have it.
waht actually keeps you now from totally agreeing with me on everything ive said, is beleive it or not, the HS.
the HS in you allows you to question and rebel agasint waht i say, lest you agree with everything i say and i would become your spiritual authority.
you will come to these conclusins long after this blog is closed and we are no longer in contact, thats the way yeshua would have it.
he doesnt want us all sitting around and patting each other on the back.
He knows that there is soon a lot of work to be done, and hard work and the baby christians, who altho they bleieve on yeshua, have very little to none of HS wisdom.
and that just wont get it done.
you will see during the hard times, that so called pastors will become impotent.
there words are hollow with no HS behind them.
this is where there will be "spirit warriors" will surface.
they will be the shadow of the 2 witnesses to come.
think about this my friend, when the 2 witnesses come, they will be "going to town" on organized churches(c)
now who you gonna bleive??
these were sent of god, Himself??
and all the churches will say the same exact as you have said...
the 2 witnesses will...
speak agaisnt incorporated churches...
tithing to satans temple
etc. etc. etc.
or else, tell me....which church the 2 witnesses gonna join???
catholic?
baptist?
mormon?
LOLOLOLO!!!! IS THE CHURCH THEY GONNA JOIN!
and no christians will beleive them either.
they will blaspheme the HS and bring themselves damnation; the only sin that will not be forgiven.
the 2 witnesses from god, and they will say that they are of satan.
not good....
But it would be nice if you could acknowledge the possibilty that I can be a real Christian without believing everything that you believe.
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i dont have to acknowledge that you or anyone else is a christian.
that would be judging you.
yeshua has to recognize you as a christian.
thats all tahts important.
my job doesnt change, to birng the truth as the HS is given to me to understand it.
becasue i would treat you the same in person no matter what you believed.
you say you are a christian, ok. doesnt matter to me. i am here to bring truth.
if i saw you on the street and you asked me for $5 and i had it, i wouldnt ask you if you believed on yeshua or not. i would jsut give you the money.
remeber how i respond to you, becasue after you learn the truth, you will be obligated to answer in like manner and there will be those who are antagonistic to you.
but you still must anwser firmly, without compromise on what you know and let the HS do the rest.
in the end, they will see that you had their best interest at heart.
"there is nothing covered, that shall not be uncovered; nothing said/done that shall not be shouted from the rooftops"
so, if i do not tell the truth, in time the lies will be exposed and vice versa.
if i tell the truth, in time it will become obvious.
theres no tricks, or secrets here.
Back away from the Kurt. Turn away and don't look back.
Then run in the opposite direction.
This is the only way out.
The Bilge Report for January 20, 2008 or Could it Get any Sillier
Wherein Kurt’s mouth runs amuck while trying to bore his audience into a stupor with more of his irrelevant nonsense and over blown hypocrisy .
Moogey’s mouth runs yet again
Why don't any of the naysayers discuss the 13 points that Kurt brought up in his former post? Not one intelligent response to this post, why is that?
Let’s start with boredom which pretty well covers the last three or four efforts by the great mind. Kurt’s inane and pointless ramblings have passed beyond boring since he ran out of snake oil to sell. Quite frankly, Kurt’s take on religion, like his take on the law and finance is not of the least bit of interest to me or anyone else with more than two functioning brain cells. I see no reason why I, or anyone else for that matter, should care what the opinions or mouth movings of a convicted and proven liar, con artist, and fraudster has to say on any given subject. Kurt knows nothing about how the financial industry works, and knows less than nothing about the law, so why should I, or anyone else for that matter, pay any attention to any of the nonsense he spouts about religion? The fact that you think anyone should take seriously the rantings about religion of a proven liar and fraud says more about you than you know.
Moogs, even for you this is weak.
Moogie loses it again
If there is no real dissent on all 13 points, maybe after all, the Dorean Group should be freed and were in fact convicted upon wrongful legal principles. They only need one loophole to go free.
Pt 1 - there was no need for any of the financial institutions to show, they were not involved in any of the charges, the fraud had to do with filing of fraudulent instruments using the mails and wires.
Pt 2 - nonsense statement, if there is a re-trial, it is because the original verdict has been set aside, and therefore no jeopardy attaches, so much for your and Kurt’s legal expertise. That is why they call it a retrial.
Pt 3 - there was no requirement to bring in all the victims, one would have been sufficient, again more of your nonsense.
Pt 4 - your opinion, not the court’s, and guess whose counts?
Pt 5 - again, your opinion, of equally dubious value, alonmg with Kurt’s legal knowledge, the appellate court will laugh at the petition and ignore it.
Pt 6 - there were no financial institutions involved in any of the charges brought, the charges were using the mails to defraud, that dear Moogster is the jurisdictional hook.
Pt 7 - again, nonsense, the charges were for violation of Federal law, pity you didn’t pay better attention.
Pt 8 - irrelevant, they weren’t charged on those charges, which were dismissed from the indictment, they can charge whatever they want in the indictment, but there is no requirement that they go to trial on all of the charges.
Pt 9 - statement makes no sense.
Pt 10 - you delude yourself, there is no requirement to go to trial on all elements, and they didn’t. They get to choose what they go with.
Pt 11 - Moogie, you are either illiterate, a fool, or just plain stupid. I am betting on all three. The statute is quite plain, it deals with mail fraud - that means using the mail to defraud someone, and the dim duo used the mails to get money from their victims, and used the mails to send out their nonsense documents, and to send out the forged releases, that puts them squarely in line for prosecution. If the fraud affected a financial institution, it automatically kicks the jail term up to 30 years and a $1 million dollar fine. Nothing vague there Moogs. They presented more than sufficient evidence of the violations and the dim duo had more than adequate notice of it so again more of your nonsense.
Pt 12 - Again, you contradict yourself. Sentencing guidelines are just that. I would say they are more than capable of enforcing the convictions. You are making even less sense than usual Moogems.
The judge turned down their motion, not their appeal, and it is a procedural matter, seldom if ever is a conviction set aside on that kind of motion. In case you missed it Moogs, the jury, not the judge convicted the dim duo, so too bad, and I suspect that the only ones really frustrated are the dim duo who didn’t get what they wanted. You delude yourself, just as do the dim duo, if you think the court didn’t have jurisdiction to act. In fact jurisdiction was proved in the conviction, and the fact that dim and dimmer are still in the slammer, where they are going to remain. Your delusions not withstanding, justice was done, and will be completed when they are finally sentenced and sent off to prison.
Pt 13 - You are deluding yourself, just as dim and dimmer are deluding themselves by thinking they are going to talk and bluster their way out of this. The fat lady has sung and all we are waiting on is the curtain to come down.
More irrelevant,delusional dropings from the bilge rat, towing the line
Notarial dissent said: Pt 1 - there was no need for any of the financial institutions to show, they were not involved in any of the charges, the fraud had to do with filing of fraudulent instruments using the mails and wires.
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So are you admitting that the financial institutions were not the victims in the trial? If they were not the victims, why were they named as relevant in this trial, and how can the charges be alleged as bank fraud, if the banks aren't victims? Your conclusion makes no reasonable sense whatsoever.
If they were fraudulent instruments filed by the Dorean Group, such as discharging the mortgage, filing a power of attorney for the bank, filing a substitute trustee, etc. how do these filings make the dorean clients the victims, as per the mail fraud charges? This paperwork didn't harm the clients at all, but might conceivably be argued, to harm the banks. if some interest was taken away. Again, your conclusions make no sense. If the banks aren't the victims, then statute 1341 doesn't apply at all to the Defendants.
Notarial Dissent said: Pt 3 - there was no requirement to bring in all the victims, one would have been sufficient, again more of your nonsense.
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So you believe, one Dorean client's testimony could have ascertained all of the damages on all counts and one Dorean client could be used as the standard to determine sentencing guidelines and points Defendants got, to determine time to serve, and restitution to be paid back? That's NOT how it actually played out though in reality according to the plea agreements signed, by 3 of the Defendants who pled, AND HOW POTENTIAL JAIL TIME IS FIGURED, & HOW RESTITUTION TO BE PAID BACK WAS DETERMINED, because Brokers who had more clients, had more restitution to pay, so again, your point of view makes no sense ONCE AGAIN in the world of reality.
Also, you must not have read all of the bad publicity towards the Dorean Group that precipitated the trial coming to being. The press made the banks the victims, and it was about bank fraud being alleged, not trustee fraud. If that isn't the case, than all those newspapers writing articles on the Dorean subject, are subject to defamation charges, libel, and slander. Never was mail fraud or wire fraud the real issue in the press, until the trial. You must be admitting that the press got things completely wrong then.
Notarial Dissent said: "if there is a re-trial, it is because the original verdict has been set aside,..."
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If there is a re-trial and the original verdict has been said aside, than Judge Alsup is in big trouble, and the Dorean Group has huge damages against the Court for judicial errors.
ND; Mogel has got you on these issues.
Notarial Dissent said: " your opinion, not the court’s, and guess whose counts?"
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Again, your wrong again. My opinion, nor the Court's opinion counts for squat. Only THE LAW counts. The Court's opinion is not always the true law. That's why verdicts are overturned.
Notarial Dissent said: "In case you missed it Moogs, the jury, not the judge convicted the dim duo, so too bad,"
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Sure the Jury convicted K&S, due to the insufficent, and wrongful Jury instructions that prejudiced the Jury unfairly, so too bad for the Judge.
Notarial dissent said: "The statute is quite plain, it deals with mail fraud - that means using the mail to defraud someone,"
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Sorry, but the word, "someone" is never used in the statute. The Supreme Court says otherwise in other cases already ruled upon & says that it ISN'T PLAIN, or specific, but refers to a "narrow type of fraud being committed". I posted a case on this subject before, I guess you were a (1) fool, (2) too stupid, or (3) too iliterate, to read or remember this posting. I'm also betting on all 3.
Notarial dissent said: "The judge turned down their motion, not their appeal, and it is a procedural matter, seldom if ever is a conviction set aside on that kind of motion."
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OK, that is good point to clarify & an important point.
SCOTT from V-LAND said. "Your motion to reject OUR reality...". Johnson was right about you. Your a show me kind of guy. Show me the wounds and I will beleive.Your a fence sitter, neither hot nor cold. You would prefer an agent of the UNITED STATES to make up your mind than yourself. The entire mortgage and mortgage bond industry is melting down in front of you, from greed and corruuption, top to bottom which will lead to a a grand paradigm shift.Do you think your mortgage agreement escaped the madness?Have a professional audit done on your closing documents and behold the numerous violations of TILA,RESPA,HUD,HOEPA etc,and this is not the main question. To think this all started with a simple request for validation and has never nor will ever be by a competent jurisdiction no matter what happens to Kurt.Run home to your wife and lock the door,YOUR reality is about to kick you in the ass.
DONT WORRY....
ALL PROGRAMS WILL BE PAID BY APRIL 16, 2008
PROSPERITY
NESARA
WANTA $$$$
EVEN THE DG
THE ORDERS ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE SUPREME RULER BEING OF THIS EARTH!!
NOONE WOULD DARE DOUBLE X THIS GUY, BLEEVE ME!!
THIS GUY CAN OFFER YOU THE WORLD IF HE WANTED TO
("ALL THESE K-I-N-G-D-O-M-S....ARE YOURS, IF....") YES, THAT GUY!
Feb. 14, 2008
1 day ago
WASHINGTON - Pope Benedict will visit the White House on April 16 during his first trip to the United States as pontiff.
("THE EDITOR"- He will be telling the Pres. to get on it, and make sure to release the Wanta money or else.
A spokesman for the Holy See also said to the effect that the Holey Farter will query the Pres on whether he ever heard of a guy name JFK?)
White House spokesman Scott Stanzel says President George W. Bush and the pontiff plan to continue discussions they began during Bush's trip to the Vatican in June 2007.
Stanzel says the talks emphasized the importance of faith and reason in reaching shared goals such as peace in the Middle East and strengthening human rights and freedom.
The Pope's visit to the United States is scheduled to run from April 15 to April 20.
Among other things, Benedict plans to address the United Nations and visit ground zero in New York as well as celebrate masses in New York and Washington.
canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jRxL51BUnPaXd9cYs3VVDRPhj7Bw
HOW GOVT. CAN CREATE "DEATH FREE MONEY"
In December 1921, the American industrialist Henry Ford and the inventor Thomas Edison visited the Muscle Shoals nitrate and water power projects near Florence, Alabama. They used the opportunity to articulate at length upon their alternative money theories, which were published in 2 reports which appeared
in The New York Times on December 4, 1921 and December 6, 1921.
Objecting to the fact that the Government planned, as usual, to raise the money by issuing bonds which would be bought by the banking and non-banking sector -- which would then have to be paid back with money raised from taxes, and with interest added -- they proposed instead that the Government simply create the currency it required and spend it into society through this public project.
This is also the Prosperity proposal.
Thomas Edison made it plain in the following excerpt from The New York Times, December 6, 1921 issue ("Ford Sees Wealth In Muscle Shoals"). Here, the reporter is quoting Edison:
"That is to say, under the old way any time we wish to add to the national wealth we are compelled to add to the national debt.
"Now, that is what Henry Ford wants to prevent. He thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30,000,000 of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66,000,000 -- that is what it amounts to, with interest. People who will not turn a shovelful of dirt nor contribute a pound of material will collect more money from the United States than will the people who supply the material and do the work. That is the terrible thing about interest. In all our great bond issues the interest is always greater than the principal. All of the great public works cost more than twice the actual cost, on that account. Under the present system of doing business we simply add 120 to 150 per cent, to the stated cost.
"But here is the point: If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20 per cent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who directly contribute to Muscle Shoals in some useful way.
" ... if the Government issues currency, it provides itself with enough money to increase the national wealth at Muscles Shoals without disturbing the business of the rest of the country. And in doing this it increases its income without adding a penny to its debt.
"It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30,000,000 in bonds and not $30,000,000 in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer, and the other helps the people. If the currency issued by the Government were no good, then the bonds issued would be no good either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to increase the national wealth, must go into debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious values of gold.
"Look at it another way. If the Government issues bonds, the brokers will sell them. The bonds will be negotiable; they will be considered as gilt edged paper. Why? Because the government is behind them, but who is behind the Government? The people. Therefore it is the people who constitute the basis of Government credit. Why then cannot the people have the benefit of their own gilt-edged credit by receiving non-interest bearing currency on Muscle Shoals, instead of the bankers receiving the benefit of the people's credit in interest-bearing bonds?"
gee, it kinda quite in here......where all the "armchair chirstians???"
the ones walking around with a crosshairs (+)
on they backs?
ALLSOP.A pleasant presidents holiday to you.Next week I'm throwing you in the slammer for unsubstantiated,speculative assertions and manipulating this blog.
near the end said...
ND; Mogel has got you on these issues.
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No he hasn't.
The Lamb and the "Kosmos"
This phrase, from John 1:29, emphasizes the fact that the Lamb’s sacrifice reaches all the way into the heavens. The word "world" is from the Greek kosmos, which means, "the order and arrangement of the world system." To the Greeks, this word included all that could be observed or inferred from observation. The same concept in the mind of the modern man would most probably be "universe."
But to the student of the Bible, the New Testament concept of the kosmos includes even those things not seen. As the Apostle Paul put it in Ephesians 6:11,12:
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Eph. 6:11,12).
The above four levels of authority arrayed against Christians, all operate beyond the range of human vision. Yet they radically affect the daily lives of humankind. Therefore, they must be included in the definition of kosmos. The dimensions of this universe are much greater than most will admit, yet biblically, the invisible aspects of the world system are as important — if not more so — than the visible ones.
The "principalities" mentioned by Paul are called archons in the Greek language. They would be the superhuman beings generally called angels, whether faithful or fallen. But in Paul’s epistle, the reference is to the first level of evil power, including Satan, and his delegated powers. They are trans-dimensional, operating outside the natural realm of human beings, yet deeply influential in the circles of world finance, politics and religion.
The "powers" that Paul mentions are called exousia in New Testament Greek. These are delegated authorities operating beneath the first level of power just described. Yet they are still able to act on their own, even though subject to their superiors. Elsewhere, Paul describes them as powers at the angelic level. Like the first group, they are able to affect both the unseen world and our own physical world.
The third level of power — "… rulers of the darkness of this world …" — are called kosmokrators, in the original language of the New Testament. In the literature of the ancient Greeks, these are high level rulers, on the order of an emperor, a world-lord. Yet they, too, operate outside the influence of human perception. In the well-known passage from the book of Daniel, the heavenly visitor who came to him was delayed in a conflict with just such a ruler:
"Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.
"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia" (Dan. 10:12,13).
If, as we believe, it was the Lord, Himself who came to Daniel, he was forced to take a circuitous route in recognition of an existing world boundary of some sort. Apparently, the Lord allows many such zones of rule in the kosmos.
But we must also note that the phrase, "darkness of this world," uses a different word for "world." Here it is a translation of the Greek aion, denoting an age or period of time, probably corresponding to the period of Gentile rule that began with Nebuchadnezzar, and comes to an end under the reign of the Antichrist.
Finally, Paul describes the lowest and most widespread of the trans-dimensional powers. He refers to them in general as "spiritual wickedness in high places." A literal reading of the Greek text tells us that these are spiritual powers of evil in the heavens. They come and go on errands of mischief and malevolence, following the dictates of the evil powers above them. Their chief work is to corrupt the progress of the Gospel, and to destroy the unity and saving grace of the body of Christ.
The submission of the Lamb to the cause of redemption (His willingness to sacrifice Himself) was the mechanism that signaled the end of their system. From the moment of His sacrifice, their days were numbered.
To us, operating on the time scale of planet earth, the time from then until now seems very long, indeed. From the Lamb’s perspective, there is no doubt that the scale of perception is quite different. Cause and effect can only truly be viewed from His throne.
We can gain some idea of this viewpoint by recalling Jesus’ moment of temptation. Just prior to His public ministry, and following John’s baptism of the Lamb, Satan took Him to a place where the power and glory of the kosmos could be viewed in a single, sweeping view:
"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
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"And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me" (Matt. 4:8,9).
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Here, the Lamb is offered the kosmos, in all its glory. For Jesus to have witnessed every single kingdom and the glory of each one, it must have been necessary for Him to see past, present and future in a single glance. Furthermore, there is no location within this dimension that affords a view of the world like the one described above. The atonement was intended to reach all the way into this evil realm.
If Satan and his subjects held this kind of power, it is easy to see that no ordinary challenge could defeat them. It was necessary for the Lord to prepare a stunning offensive, with a single stroke of power that cut through the entire universe (or universes).
In effect, the Lamb’s blood sacrifice turned Satan’s own devices against him. Once dominant among heavenly creatures, He boasted of wisdom and beauty as the primary fruit of existence. But he rejected holiness, as well as the worship of God, Creator and King. It was holiness … dedication to God’s will … personified in the blood of the Lamb that overthrew him.
The world system is doomed to crash into ruins as the Lamb’s work is finally sanctified in the formality of a heavenly protocol that was devised for a signal moment in history.
THE EDITOR: "ALL THESE KINGDOMS ARE YOURS..."
Even the THE EDITOR underestimated what was meant here.
Satan wasnt offering Yeshua only the Kingdoms that were visible, but the ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!!
A pretty big bribe that was turned down!
How many us would of turned it down???
Possibly only honest person alive today...Judge Bean! ;-)
yetter said...
The entire mortgage and mortgage bond industry is melting down in front of you, from greed and corruption, top to bottom
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Industry has experienced some serious problems lately, no doubt. Greed and corruption ARE a big part of it.
yetter said...
which will lead to a a grand paradigm shift.
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Not sure how you define "grand paradigm shift". Many changes ARE on the horizon or are already happening.
yetter said...
Do you think your mortgage agreement escaped the madness?Have a professional audit done on your closing documents and behold the numerous violations of TILA,RESPA,HUD,HOEPA etc,and this is not the main question.
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Have a professional audit done on my closing docs? Dude, I can do that myself. This is what I do for a living, remember? I am familiar with TILA, RESPA and HOEPA. When I worked in Quality Control, I was the one auditing my company's files for these violations.
yetter said...
Run home to your wife and lock the door,YOUR reality is about to kick you in the ass.
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Maybe... I guess we can only wait and see.
now if he said to me...
"...all these mortgages are yours, if you..."
i would said..."keep them"
they not worth the ink printed on them.
SOP said...
The world system is doomed to crash into ruins as the Lamb’s work is finally sanctified...
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I believe this is true, SOP, but what do we do in the meantime? I mean, what do YOU do for a living, if I may ask? Everyone has to eat. Have you found a way to earn a living that DOESN'T involve participating in this world system?
Have you found a way to earn a living that DOESN'T involve participating in this world system?
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there is no way to escape the "world system"
christians are in this world, but not of it.
far be it from me to tell someone how to feed their family...
we are all save by the shed blood of the lamb, so you are covered.
having said, taht, try your best to represent yeshua in your dealings with people.
after all, that is whom we are representing after all, as ambassadors for yeshua till He gets here, right?
we are not perfect, howver, so the object is to learn waht perfection is, and then at least you can apply it some of the time, and for the others you are covered by yeshuas shed blood.
even when all the prosperity programs kick in, no doubt by virtue of the beast, the goal even then is to remove the problem of everyday thoughts of how to pay bills, as you have just said.
like ive siad before,if i put $10 Million in you pocket, now you dont have to work. life of leisure...
now, you mind turn to other thins, lots of time on you hands, dont have to work etc.
now its time to play, maybe....
get a boat
new ferrari
maybe yo wanna fell younger, divorce you wife for 21 y.o. chick?
maybe lots of things..
mabye i do the same thing too! i am not perfect.
wehn woman find out you got lots of money, they throw themselfs at you, not easy to resist for anybody..
lots of traps to fall into as you dont have to devote a lot of time to work etc.
bills, argue with wife over moeny, kids, etc.
now yo can just have pleasure...toys, chicks, cars, etc. etc......
look waht happen to lots of people won the megamilions lottery 2 years later.
a lot of them disasters.
life not worth 5¢
for me, i try to utilize an easy method for daily living, etc.
matt 6:33
"seek ye first, the kingdom of god, and his righteousness, and ALL ELSE shall be added unto you"
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to me, "all else" means food, clothing, shelter
means my bills will get paid, etc my rent, etc
mortgage, car etc.
doesnt mean i live in a mansion, drive a ferrari or have a rolex, but all necessary to allow me to live in order to witness.
so i figure basicall, if for the most part, i comport myself as a christian, then all else will be taken care of.
now can i/do i always do this?
no.
can/will you?
no.
thats the gold standard tho and sometimes i only use silver mixed with gold. on some, i use the whole gold. and that would be taht i am bringing 100% truth on non biblical churches. on that one i feel that i am hitting bullseyes. on ohters, maybe the outside ring. we are all givne our spirtiual gifts differently. my is in discernment.
but you never want to try to use iron.
Thanks SOP. I really do appreciate the fact that you stand by your convictions. Though it does make for lively conversations sometimes!
ok, just to show how i got my discernment, the bible says to ask for wisdom, and yeshua will give you all that you ask for...tons of it. now it may take years to acquire, but He will eventually give it to you.
all the things that i have told you have been meditated on for years.
ok. so here is the one, amngst ohters that i am curently in meditation on, meaning i have gone to bed at night in prayer for wisdom on its meaning...
yeshua as we know did some very great things, some stupendous things, YET, He said that...
"you will do greater things than i"
now exactly waht will be able to do greater than yeshua did?????
i mean, at the peak he actually raised the dead (lazarus) besides feed 5k, walk on water, heal, etc.
we will do GREATER THAN THIS!!!
you would have to go into some serious meditation to find this out.
meaning having said that, i will tell you if this blog is still here, what those thngs greater that we will do are. cant wait to find out.
i am about 1 1/2 years of asking for this HS wisdom.
yet, i know when i am ready, it shall be given to me.
there are also a few ohters taht i am in asking for, not of thngs, but of HS wisdom.
and it also comes to you in clues too.
meaning: ask the ?, pray for the HS wisdom, wait, see clues in the world,in the news, around you, etc., meditate on these clues, (meaning thinking jsut like you would solve a riddle, with logic), then pray some more, wait, see more clues, etc, repeat until necessary,
THEN ONE DAY YOU WAKE UP, AND BOOM! YOU GOT IT!
i gotten many over the years.
one of the biggest ones, was the one i talked about.
there are no biblical churches in exisitnece today.
there were others.
HS is to be ones spiritual authority only.
and others.
but my method can be used as a cookbook formula that anyone can use.
Get a grip Moogs, in the scheme of things dim and dimmer are not only small fish, they are nonentities. There was not enough press coverage of their little scheme to matter, and the jury certainly would have been asked if they had any prior knowledge or opinion, or they wouldn’t have been seated. And as to what the press did or didn’t print, it is of no matter when it comes to the charges that were or weren’t filed. Criminals are not tried by the press, they are tried by a jury. And, if the press didn’t go into the mail fraud angle, then they could hardly have biased the jury then could they?
Moogey nonsense 1
If there is a re-trial and the original verdict has been said aside, than Judge Alsup is in big trouble, and the Dorean Group has huge damages against the Court for judicial errors.
Have you been taking clueless pills or something??? I know you don’t know anything about real estate or finance law, but surely you must have at least watched Perry Mason at least once in your wasted life. If there were a retrial, it would only be, aside from Hell having frozen over, because the entire Ninth Circuit had lost what little sanity it is reputed to contain, and because they decided there was some error sufficient to warrant a new trial. Something that isn’t going to happen, but if it did it would be a non-event, new trials are granted for a variety of reasons, none of which apply in this case. In any event, a sitting judge, as is the prosecution, is absolutely immune from liability so guess again or clueless one.
Moogey nonsense 2
My opinion, nor the Court's opinion counts for squat. Only THE LAW counts. The Court's opinion is not always the true law. That's why verdicts are overturned.
Nonsense. The court issued a verdict based on the jury’s findings, and barring a major procedural error, there is nothing to appeal in this case. In any event, it will be the Ninth Circuit’s opinion that matters here, as to whether there was any error in the trial, and I wouldn’t go holing my breath if I were you.
Moogey nonsense 3
Sure the Jury convicted K&S, due to the insufficent, and wrongful Jury instructions that prejudiced the Jury unfairly, so too bad for the Judge.
Again, your warped opinion, there was nothing in the charges given to the jury that was not in keeping with the law, and reality, and I doubt seriously that that jury could have been swayed or biased by anyone except maybe dim and dimmer who made complete asses of themselves. On the plus side, they showed just how slimy and comical they really are.
Moogey nonsense 4
Sorry, but the word, "someone" is never used in the statute.
Oh get over yourself Moogs, your inability to read simple English is showing now, the statute is quite plain in face and fact and it reads exactly as I summarized it.
Well said bilge master. Isn't it great,I can spoon feed every one and because I am the judge and the law, I'm always right.I really don't need a jury,I can tell them any thing and they follow my instruction to the letter.
I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE, AND I BRING YOU FIRE
FIRE,TO DESTROY ALL YOU HAVE DONE
FIRE,TO END ALL YOU'VE BECOME
I'LL FEEL YOU BURN
near the end said...
ND; your not very smart are you?
6:49 AM
NTE, could you elaborate on how you reached this conclusion about ND?
Notarial Dissent said: "a sitting judge, as is the prosecution, is ABSOLUTELY immune from liability so guess again or clueless one."
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Judges can't ABSOLUTELY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. They have bounds and limits too. Judges can be prosecuted. They aren't absolutely immune in 100% of cases.
Not sure why you lose the words you do, such as ABSOLUTELY, which is almost like the word, "always".
Notarial Dissent said: "a sitting judge, as is the prosecution, is ABSOLUTELY immune from liability so guess again or clueless one."
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Judges can't ABSOLUTELY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. They have bounds and limits too. Judges can be prosecuted. They aren't absolutely immune in 100% of cases.
Not sure why you lose the words you do, such as ABSOLUTELY, which is almost like the word, "always".
Notarial Dissent said: "Nonsense. The court issued a verdict based on the jury’s findings, and barring a major procedural error, there is nothing to appeal in this case."
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Nonsense. There has been cases where Judges have overturned Jury verdicts too because Juries didn't decide according to the law.
Moogie’s mouth is moving but his brain is still not engaged
Judges can't ABSOLUTELY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. They have bounds and limits too. Judges can be prosecuted.
If a judge commits a crime they can be prosecuted. If a judge does something on the bench you don’t like, unless it can be shown to have been the result of bribery or other illegal action, you are SOL. Judicial and prosecutorial action is immune unless it can be shown there was something illegal going on. If there is an error in judicial process, it is reversible on appeal and that is as far as it goes. Actually a sitting judge can do just about anything they please in their courtrooms as long as it doesn’t 1) violate the law, 2) violate they judicial canons, or 3) violate court decorum. Judges have a wide range of discretion and latitude for their actions, and while you may not like them or the results, it is the appeal courts who get the final say on the matter, and the worst that can come out of it is a reversal. Nice try, no cookie.
more Moogie noise
Nonsense. There has been cases where Judges have overturned Jury verdicts too because Juries didn't decide according to the law.
True, generally only in civil cases, and very rarely in criminal matters, and then only if the judge feels there was a miscarriage of justice, judges seldom disturb criminal verdicts, but that didn’t happen did it. The next step in the process is to appeal to the Ninth Circuit, where it will get bounced for lack of any actionable matter. You and Kurt are now grasping at imaginary straws, and are getting no where.
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