Thursday, April 10, 2008
The Trial Witness (March 23, 2008)
Now that my time before Alsup and his court is about complete, I hope I left a testimony of truth as a witness. He said some mean things that are a good clue. He said in his time on the bench I was the worst, most incorrigible, evil man before him. I take comfort when evil has such harsh words concerning me. There were many other observers that witnessed the clash between good and evil, God and the devil. Will they interpret the scene correctly? Only eternity will tell us the answer. I had many say they saw it as I did. There are others like Evil-Ex who saw good people doing their job with integrity. Ignorance really is bliss. Let me ask you a simple question; are these the saints God can count on to tear down strongholds, to recover territory? I think not. They have too much fear and foolishness. They are aints not saints. When one is a whore professionally their integrity is not an issue of virtue. Would you give your soul for a paycheck? If you would, is it kind of God to send you a voice of offense or flatterer? Don’t shrink back just because you will be hated. If you save their soul the love will come. I was courageous to keep the truth before that court and every witness. The lie has been exposed by the revelation of Christ. Ignorance is no longer an excuse. A choice is required and has been made. Just like this blog, choices are made to which we may live or die. What has it cost you to identify yourself with Christ? Your loss is gain and your fame is a slave. Are those who claim Christ and family proud of the work done by Scott and I or ashamed? Is your response amened by Christ? What is your witness?
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Psalm 10
1Why standest thou afar off, O LORD? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?
2The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
3For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.
4The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
5His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.
6He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.
7His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.
8He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.
9He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.
10He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones.
11He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.
12Arise, O LORD; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble.
13Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.
14Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.
15Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none.
16The LORD is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.
17LORD, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:
18To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress.
"He said in his time on the bench I was the worst, most incorrigible, evil man before him."
Evil ? What a dumb ass.
He sounds like one of those judges who might be hiding his penis pump.
Hey, Poopoo, what isn't evil about using your professed understanding of Christ's will to help perpetrate a scam?
"The Lord God will utter His voice and the mountains will melt like wax. For the God of glory thunders and the God of Jacob prevails. In this hour there is coming a great shaking--not a shaking of the earth but a shaking of men's spirits, and realms of demonic strongholds will be shaken off by the word that is uttered from Heaven.
The Lord is coming quickly to judge His enemies and to render them powerless. He is coming to vindicate His elect and to hide them under the shadow of His hand. For these are days when His power will be unleashed and His glory will be unveiled. This is an hour and a season when the mountains have risen up against the mountain of the house of the Lord, but they shall not stand. They shall melt like wax, for the terror of God shall fill God's enemies and the Lord Himself will descend in a pillar of cloud and will destroy and silence the accuser."
Thunder of Freedom
"He will cause His voice of authority to be heard from the north to the south, to the east and to the west. And He will visit His people yet again. Prepare, the day is arriving; prepare the hour is upon thee; the travails and the birth pangs of this last season are coming to an end and the afterbirth is being taken off of you.
For God is making of you a new thing, and God is doing a new thing in the earth, and there will be a fresh cry of revival. There will be a fresh cry of renewal. There will be a fresh cry of restoration, and there will be a fresh cry of proclamation. And because of that, the saints will lift their voice in unabashed, unashamed praise--for the sound of praise will be greater than you have ever heard it in any other day in your life. The sound of thunder will not only be from Heaven, but there shall be a thunder come from the spirit of the saints, as they are set free."
A Shout of Victory Shall Come Forth
"For, as chains are broken, they will shout. As darkness flees, they will shout. As broken bodies are healed, they will shout. The shout of the Lord will return to the camp of the army of God. For victory is guaranteed and God Almighty will vindicate the travail of the elect and will judge their enemies speedily," saith the Spirit of Grace.
Pastor Mark J. Chironna
March 11, 2008
LOLOLO!!!
"They are aints not saints."
WHA HOOPENS???
i tawt dis was a moongage elimation blaaahhg???....
didin think we would be talkin bout what the fans of a certain NFL team used to call them and who wore bags over there heads while in the stadum watching this team play.....?????
poopoo said...
"He said in his time on the bench I was the worst, most incorrigible, evil man before him."
Evil ? What a dumb ass.
He sounds like one of those judges who might be hiding his penis pump.
yo no wha day says....
"if the raincoat fits, then wear it"
but dun play wit yo pecker while yo behing the bench....
(wait till yo get home!)
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
trouble is, just-ice beanslop thinks that his farts has holes in them....
he thinks that yo should call him the "holey farter" in reverince
that why he work for the DNJ-
DEPT. OF NO JUSTICE
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Blogger Scott from Vineland said...
PRE-OWNED PENIS PUMP FOR SALE
2005 Troy-Built Commercial Grade Penis Pump, 6.5 hp Briggs & Stratton Quantum engine, low hours, like new. Custom metal flake paint, candy apple red. Must see to appreciate. Will consider partial trade for interesting firearms, bulk canned goods or bass boat.
Contact Mr. Poo at http://www.thedoreangroup.blogspot.com/
yeah, i know...somenone already tole me taht judge beanslop was sellin his because hes buying the latest model. he need more hp becasue he too limp...
yo beanslop, another thins is that yo better stop slouching in yo seat behind the bench...
soon, "the lawgiver" be here, an he will make yo "sit up strait" not crooked like yo is now....
rember, even before the second coming of christ, the bible talk about him who will "restore all things" before christ comes.
the lawgiver comin to town...
"the scepter shall not depart form judah, till shiloh come"
shiloh = lawgiver
yo be under the law also known as gospel of the (soon to come) kingdom
no more grace for crooked judges like beanslop.
yo will sit up strait.
yo be naked. cannot hide yo shortcomings behind yo raincoat.
yo been weighed and come up "short"
yo days that yo play with yoself behind the bench are numbered.
LOLOLO!!!!
heard the funniest thang listing to internet radio today.
as toddy is arpil 15 tax due, an interet caller on a talk show called the u.s. govt. a
***CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE***
he may just be right?
the govt. is always using taht term themselfs to describe statue brakers; those who viloate any of there over 6000 statues
for sum reason, it just struck me as funny and i couldnt stop laughing.
maybe we can use there own terms agianst them....
how bout'....
FEDERAL RESERVE CRIME FAMILY
or
LA DINERO NOSTRA
"In the USA©, the Federal Reserve Crime Family (FRC) has 13 regional families with "capos" who report to the Underboss, who reports to the BOSS OF ALL BOSSES, Ben Burnake.
This comprises a Senior Level Commission who vote on the current extortion rates in the country.
The FRC generates they income mainly from narcotics (green pieces of paper with funny print on them) and extortion (usurious interest rates)
They have also been known to murder, but no victims have testified, as many have died homeless and starved to death.
They have been known to hijack you house with you in it, or your car, and also will kidnap you and put you in a iron bar room and hold you there for long periods of time.
They have no concern wither a victim can feed his family or kids.
They are also know to bomb certain areas of the world who refuse to pay "protection" money and employ many low level "soldiers" who kill at thier command.
They have bribed and threatened Presidnets to be complicit in their gold heists of years ago.
The FRC also employs many Captians and Lieutentants in their criminal enterprise.
They are also know to have many corrupt judges in they pockets, some who come to this blaahg.
LOLOLOOL!!!!
come on now, even yo judge beanslop gotta give me some credit on this one!
The Bilge Report for Mar 23, 2008 wherein Kurt bloviates greatly.
Kurt blows forth
I hope I left a testimony of truth as a witness.
Well, at the very least, a trail of lies too big to miss.
more Kurtian drama
He said some mean things that are a good clue. He said in his time on the bench I was the worst, most incorrigible, evil man before him.
Truth hurts doesn’t it?
and still more
There were many other observers that witnessed the clash between good and evil,
Yep, and you(evil) lost.
Kurtian denial
There are others like Evil-Ex who saw good people doing their job with integrity.
Or, just those not living a life of delusion and self aggrandizement.
Kurtian BS
Would you give your soul for a paycheck?
I’m curious Kurt, just how much did you sell your soul for, not much obviously from the reports of what you got away with and how much is left, but then ineptitude does have its price as well.
Kurtian pomposity
Ignorance is no longer an excuse.
No, but it was what you counted on to keep the marks coming in, except you weren’t very good at that either, bloated egos tend to get in the way of a good con job.
dr. ira gilac said...
the govt. is always using taht term themselfs to describe statue brakers; those who viloate any of there over 6000 statues
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I think kudos should be given to anyone who can effectively violate a statue... most of the ones I've seen are made of concrete or bronze and have no discernable orifices to violate.
I was looking back on some of the early posts on this blog and was reminded that Kurt had dozens of zealous supporters here at one time. It seems that it is now consistently down to Hab, SOP and Mogel. What is to be discerned from this?
I think kudos should be given to anyone who can effectively violate a statue.
I gree....but then again, yo talkin bout juge beenslopp.....he been know to take off his raincoat in the middle of the knight and go sit in the lap of the statue of abram linkin.
guess he like to get some "back end" advice??
he just love them statues....all 6000 of 'em...but he love linkins the best...guess he thinks mr. linkins has the biggest "statutes"
"what isn't evil about using your professed understanding of Christ's will to help perpetrate a scam?"
If you think about it, it was rather immature of Allslop to call a man of no danger "evil". It takes one to know one. penis pump, penis pump, penis pump, penis pump... can't go to work without my penis pump
"What is to be discerned from this". Nothing."Waste of space". All is right with the world,justice has been done. Right?
See no evil,hear no evil. Have a nice day.
This recent love letter I received was just too poignant not to share. Since I don't take anything in this email personally since it really isn't about anything personal, I might as well post it. Anyone care to respond? Happy hunting to all you savy hunters out there!!!!___________________________________
Byron,
You are the biggest idiot on the face of the planet. If you would have attended just one day of the trial you would see where Scott and Kurt went wrong, and it has nothing to do with banking. Just because they didn't know their process was an illegal fraud doesn't make them innocent, which is the defense position they defended.
Just as I didn't know what they were sending to banks etc., didn't excuse me or ANY of the successful brokers from being guilty of a conspiracy due to the money trail, which is why all of us including the soldier Julian himself took a plea bargain.
One thing the honorable Dr. Fred will not tell everyone is that since the one conspiracy charge included Bank fraud in addition to mail and wire fraud, they will not be able to sell the judgments to anyone, so those "stipends" will NEVER happen.
But you keep peddling your bull-shit, b/c you are stupid enough to believe your own lies, you moron.
If you feel you know that Dorean process works, why don't you start up again, and we'll see how far you get, and when the feds come knocking with the evidence to put you away for 20 years, you will cave in just as I and the others did.
Now that my bond has been returned the only people I cannot communicate with are the other defendants which makes you open season, you freakin' retard.
Here are the gems of knowledge discussed in the email by an esteemed Dorean Broker/Defendant:
(1) Kurt & Scott's defense had nothing to do with banking
(2) Kurt & Scott didn't know their process was illegal
(3) Kurt & Scott were not innocent even if they were ignorant, hence "intent is meaningless" towards any conviction.
(4) Kurt & Scott's defense was that they didn't know their process was illegal
(5) This Dorean Broker was ignornant of the presentment & by his own admission never read it. Funny how his website explained the process in detail though.
(6) This Broker considers himself SUCCESSFUL even though he was court ordered to pay restitution to all of his clients & even though he was convicted of crimes.
The poignant question is: does success equate with truth and good conscience, or can you separate them & still consider yourself successful?
(7) The money trail proves the conspiracy and guilt of the defendants ????? In other words, a crime doesn't need to even be proven, just where the money went to.
(8) The Dorean Group will not be able to sell the administrative judgments since the process of obtaining them involved adjudicated fraud, so the "stipends" won't happen.
(9) This Broker caved in because the Feds came knocking on his door & he became afraid & that anyone else would have acted likewise.
(10) Defendants can't communicate with each other even now.
How does that commercial go? "You can learn alot from a dummy!" LOL
One thing the honorable Dr. Fred will not tell everyone is that since the one conspiracy charge included Bank fraud in addition to mail and wire fraud, they will not be able to sell the judgments to anyone, so those "stipends" will NEVER happen.
seems like somenone is missing apples and orgies...
what do none have to do the nother???
nuttin!
if it did, then the bakers wood all be in jaal for crating dough withuot lice ins it...
yo need da bugs in yo doe.
***BREAKING****
***************
JUDGE BEENSLOP RULES IN FAVOR AND ACQUITS ALL "CAPOREGIMES" OF 13 FEDERAL RESERVE ORGANISED CRIME FAMILIES....
DETAILS @ 11...
....BUT THERE IS ALSO SPECULATION THAT ONE OF THE MOB BOSSES MAY HAVE "GOT TO" JUDGE BEENSLOP....
Successful Broker says: "what they were sending to banks etc., didn't excuse me or ANY of the successful brokers from being guilty of a conspiracy due to the money trail,"
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Since when does a presentment or mortgage challenge in & of itself ALONE become a proven conspiracy? What was illegal about sending a complaint to a lender & asking for legitimate validation of the loan? And he calls me an "idiot".
Speaking of success, does a successful person not have the imagination or brains enough to think to call his lender to ask for a copy of the presentment sent to his bank? Even an "idiot" like I am, was smart enough to think of that. Ask & you shall be given. My lender was happy to send me the full presentment & even a copy of the bond, that the Dorean Group sent.
Can a successful person/Broker sell something he knows little to nothing about or have no knowledge of what is being sent to the banks in a presentment?
That's like saying, "I was a successful person in sales, but I didn't know what I was selling & I didn't believe in it enough or wasn't smart enough to know the legal truths of what I was selling."
Apparently, this Broker's defense now is that he was ignorant not only of the process, but didn't know that the process was a legal process. It's amazing what an MBA can teach you, isn't it?
I fully expect to receive more "hate mail". Keep it coming!!!!
Successful Broker said IN ESSENCE: 8) The Dorean Group will not be able to sell the administrative judgments since the process of obtaining them involved adjudicated fraud, so the "stipends" won't happen.
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This Broker must think that the Dorean Group has no remedies or recourses, or any other alternative back up plans.
Course he probably can't deny in good faith, that he never heard that the Dorean Group had MANY DIFFERENT WAYS or plans or means to bring restitution back to clients.
Won't it be ironical if the dorean process, originally intended as an administrative process, actually achieves redress in a judicial way. Not all Judges are corrupt & not all judges support the banking system & the appeal hasn't even been heard yet, but this successful Broker has given up hope. Does a "successful person" EVER GIVE UP HOPE?
Those like the mindset of "Successful Broker", consider these words when thinking about your "stipends":
Kurt said: "Still anyone will be able to tell that we won the trial in real time but lost it to jury instructions. That is really NOT A PROBLEM and one of the things I could count on from the best judge money can buy Mr. Alsup. To think that the man who started all the fuss would arrest the case so he couldn't control the outcome has to be the height of delusion.
Successful Broker said: ... "which is why all of us including the SOLDIER JULIAN himself took a plea bargain."
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Funny how this Broker calls Julian just a "soldier" that implys he just did what he was told and was some sort of pawn, but yet still guilty?
Course "successful Broker" use to address Julian as just a greedy "opportunist".
What does an "opportutunist" have to do with being a "soldier", and as Tina Turner asked: "What does love have to do with it." LOL
Scott from Vineland said: "What is to be discerned from this?"
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Oh let me guess. The truth is ALWAYS FOUND IN THE MAJORITY OF OPINION OF THE MASSES?????
Oh wait a second, that's not what jesus taught when he suggested: "Straight is the gate & narrow is the way that leadeth to life eternal and truth, & FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT."
Successful Broker said: "If you feel you know that Dorean process works, why don't you start up again, and we'll see how far you get, and when the feds come knocking with the evidence to put you away for 20 years, you will cave in just as I and the others did."
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Let me see if I understand what successful broker is saying. He gives a suggestion that I should do the same thing that the company "Libo" did.
What a second, didn't successful Broker vehemently have a war of words against Libo too? As a matter of fact he did, so so much for his suggestion that isn't intended to be taken seriously.
Was anyone with Libo shut down, prosecuted or convicted or visited by the FBI? Well so much for your conclusion as well as your ill intended suggestion too.
The Dorean process did work. It is a settled matter that showed the fraud & silence of the lenders as did the trial which showed the silence, no witnesses no evidence or proof of bank fraud by the Defendants.
Successful Broker, now if you in your fear you want to deny the truth of all of these things now, than so be it, but that's not my problem, it's yours. You're the camelion "wishy washy" one, not me. Maybe that's why you are so successful, because you are unable to make a courageous stand last very long. You don't even qualify to be called even a "soldier", even though you were at least an "opportunistic" creature.
Does success means "never having to say you're sorry," losing two homes, getting a divorce, getting convicted of a felony, rolling over & speaking ill of your loyal friends, having to pay back restitution of those you admittedly cheated, and losing your reputation & face, and bragging about getting an MBA which really was from a nonaccredited college over the internet & bragging out what kind of car you drive that no one really cared about?
Can an illegal process even be termed a "success" or any part of it a success, such as a "successful broker"? Is a successful broker one who is ajudicated to have to pay back all of the ill gotten profits he made? I use the term "ill gotten" loosely, only since you admitted agree that you were part of a conspiracy and you agree with the court verdicts.
Successful Broker: Let me remind you of a huge reality. "Open season" started from DAY ONE I came in contact with you.
Let's at least be fair & honest about that fact. Have you forgotten your first goal and threat towards me that you were never able to have effectuated? Remember your goal was to get me fired? Was I ever fired as you intended? Course it wasn't that you didn't try your best towards that end by constantly complaining.
Or how about the second threat of "wanting to punch me in the nose". Sorry, but in a boxing match you would definitely lose and cower like the pussy that you are & have proven to be in principle alone. An idiot truly never knows when to shut up. Oh by the way, thanks for not being a friend. Being a friend isn't all that difficult, & you failed miserably at that too.
I had to laugh a little bit about the one comment by the person that restitution for clients hadn't been discussed at all? Is this client not interested in getting on an email list with Dr. Fred & is he saying he hasn't received any emails from him? Obviously this person is not interested enough to keep up with current events but interested in complaining that there is no news concerning this matter of restitution; how funny.
This issue has been discussed by the government recently, and even Dr. Fred, but if you are an agent or Broker, you must disclose that fact by your signature of any claim form. If you are, you aren't ENTITLED TO ANY COMPENSATION according to their own paperwork, otherwise the question would have never been asked or become relevant in the first place. It wouldn't surprise me that as many as 1/3 to 1/2 of the clients were at least an agent and client. That being the case, it is a moot point for a large percentage to even address any financial redress with the government, even if you could trust them with your own personal information & your claim form, not to make you a future defendant also or bring any charge of conspiracy against you too for mere participation.
How hypocritical & ironical that the government in the trial would use "conspiracy" to mean mere participation in a scheme, or a mere "paper trail of money", but then later consider giving some participants of that scheme, financial redress. So much for the "unclean hands doctrine" too.
It seems that the governments pattern is to make up the rules as they go. There is no real standard here. Yea, trust government to do the right thing here & be fair to all clients, even after the government used some clients to support their own allegations.
Speaking of government refunds, if the government was truly interested in compensation for clients, & their interests, why not compensate them from the bank accounts the FBI seized way back when? Why wait for a conviction against the defendants to do this?
If the government truly believed that a conspiracy was going on, why didn't the government just mail out letters & warn all of the clients right after the FBI raid? They had everyone's personal information way back then & even now.
If the government case was not about "selective prosecution", than why not prosecute all clients as defendants way back when all of this trial stuff started? The prosecution discussed enough about "judicial economy" of time, enough in the court record & apparently were concerned about this from the beginning.
If the government knew that the monies in those dorean accounts was from clients monies due to an illegal service, why not do the right thing right away & have refunds in everyone's pocket by now?
As far as government claim forms, it seems unreasonable that the government already doesn't have the name & addresses & phone numbers of all clients simply through the efforts of the FBI raid when they confiscated all of the paperwork & computers at the Dorean place of business in CA.
Course the dorean group has promised refunds of upfront monies too. Maybe when the settlements happen, the dorean paperwork should also include a question: Did you receive a refund from the government already? Maybe some clients think & believe they should get paid twice, or maybe these clients that complain on the blog about information not being discussed, don't believe in an eventual dorean victory or refund there.
come on judge,
we know that yo is slop, and that yo has always beenslop, but do yo haf ta beeslop fo the rest of yo lif??
so just sit up strate and STOP THE SLOP!
besides, it getting a little smelly when yo approach the bench.
poopoo said...
"He said in his time on the bench I was the worst, most incorrigible, evil man before him."
Evil? What a dumb ass.
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You know, I actually have to agree with this. I still believe Kurt was wrong but if this is the greatest evil Alsup has ever witnessed from the bench, he must lead a pretty sheltered life.
Kurt Johnson = incorrigible
Richard Ramirez = evil
mogel007 said...
Scott from Vineland said: "What is to be discerned from this?"
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Oh let me guess. The truth is ALWAYS FOUND IN THE MAJORITY OF OPINION OF THE MASSES?????
Oh wait a second, that's not what jesus taught when he suggested: "Straight is the gate & narrow is the way that leadeth to life eternal and truth, & FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT."
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As usual, you missed the point (or pretend to), Byron. My point was NOT that the majority is always right... we both know that this is not the case. My point was that so many of Kurt's supporters at the outset were foaming at the mouth about how he would be vindicated in a court of law, how they were good & faithful believers and committed to fight to the end, how stupid and evil the "naysayers" were, etc. etc.
Where did all those peole go? Are they perhaps all pissed off or disillusioned now because things didn't turn out like they had hoped and planned? Do you reckon some of them have more pressing issues at hand (such as impending foreclosure) and just don't have the time to blog anymore? Or maybe they don't have computers or internet connections anymore because they're homeless? Any thoughts anyone?
mogel007 said...
An idiot truly never knows when to shut up.
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Unintended irony is a lovely thing.
Fricken tard.
so then what up toddy with the pres and pops???
according to I. Lou Minardi protocol, the pops always wear white and the dignitary alwways wears black when they meet with poops....
now pres met with poops toddy in a light colored suite.
now this may not seem sicknificant, but bleeve yo me it is....
so, is this a hidden message here??
is pres sayng that he is just as good or as evil as poops??
or is he saying that he just pretending to be evil so the feudal reserve organize crime family dont kill him.
a shitting pres has never met with poops when poops wore white in recent history.
maybe he fiugure if he wore a light color suite then he could tell if he when he met with pops if he poops in his pants???
in any case somehting is def up?
maybe they gonna pops in they pants and announce NESARA?
http://www.cuttingedge.org/
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Pope Always Wears White, Visitors Wear Dark --
Illuminist Symbolism Dating Back 4,000 Years Ago!
White/Black Dress Symbolism Shouts That The Pope Is God!
When any Illuminist leader anywhere in the world, visits the Pope, he or she wears almost always wears black, while the Pope wears white. This symbolism dates back to Zarathustra and Zoroasterism . Its use today is pure Illuminism!
"... in February, 1997, Netanyahu and his wife, Sarah, traveled to the Vatican, where, dressed in black, they met with the Pope, who was, of course, dressed in white (another Zoroastrian contrast)." Tim Cohen, Antichrist and A Cup of Tea, Prophecy House, Inc., 1998, p. 411.
What on earth does Tim Cohen mean when he states that it is "Zoroastrian contrast" for the Pope to be dressed in white while his visitors are dressed in black? The answer is multifaceted, and is imbedded within Satanic Illuminism; please allow us to explain it for you.
In Black Magick Witchcraft, the color white is considered the preeminent color. Since the color, white, is comprised of all colors, and black is a lack of color, white is considered most powerful; black must give way to white. Further, white is considered to be inherently based in the spiritual, since white is the color worn by Zarathustra, the founder of the pagan religion of Zoroaster, and quite possibly, the precursor to Antichrist. In late 1996, I received an email from a person who identified himself as a Black Magick Satanist; he stated that, while I understood much about Black Magick, I needed to be aware that the book, "Thus Saith Zarathustra", by Nietzche, would be the "Bible of Antichrist".
Please examine these images carefully. You will note that, except for the one image called "Tortoise", Zarathustra is dressed in white. In one of the images, Zarathustra is surrounded with a halo around his head, signifying that he is "divine". Indeed, he is the foretold Messiah figure of the Zoroastrian religion, thus making him a perfect type of the coming Antichrist.
Remember your sacred history: the "Wise Men" who visited the baby Jesus on camel, as recounted in Matthew 2:1-12, were "astrologers" [Amplified Bible Commentary , p. 1076]. Further, they were "Magi" astrologers, which tells us they were descendents of the "Wise Men" of King Nebuchadnezzar's court during the time of Daniel.
Since the three Wise Men were religious scholars, and part of the king's court, they had access to the writings of Daniel. Further, the three Wise Men were Magi, which was an order of the Pagan Medo-Persian religious order of Zoroaster.(Dictionary Of The Bible , edited by William Smith, The S.S. Scranton Company, Hartford, CT, 1904, p. 501.) The Magi were ancient interpreters of dreams and were astrologers (monthly prognosticators). We see them in the Old Testament in the court of the Babylonian King, Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar gathered around him the top religious men of the religions of the nations which he had militarily conquered. Daniel was also part of the court of Nebuchadnezzar. In Daniel 1:20, God tells us that Daniel was 'ten times more wise and understanding than all the learned magicians and enchanters'. The Magi were part of those magicians and enchanters. Then, in chapter 2, Daniel saves the lives of all the enchanters and magicians because he could interpret the king's dream when they could not. Over and over again, Daniel demonstrated that his God was able to interpret dreams, unlike their gods. The Magi had come to the point where they greatly revered Daniel and his writings.
Therefore, they had access to Daniel's prophecy detailing the precise coming of Messiah, and they knew that they were living within 33 years -- a man's lifetime -- of the mathematics of Daniel 9:24-27 of being fulfilled. Because they knew the prophecy from "Daniel's God", they were primed to expect the appearance of the Jewish Messiah.
Thus, when God caused His "star" [Shekinah Glory] to arise in the East, these Magi knew in their hearts that this was the sign for which they had been awaiting. Of course, since we see that the Holy Spirit was active in their hearts in Matthew 2:12, we can probably safely conclude that, at the time they saw God's "star" arising in the East, the Holy Spirit activated their long and arduous journey.
Thus, we can see that Zoroasterism has a long history in the annals of time, and that some of their Magi were active in fulfilling God's Plan for the birth of Jesus Christ. However, we must not lose sight of the fact that these Magi were pagans through and through, back then, and they are just as pagan today. While they considered the Jewish Messiah to be "divine", they considered Him to be only the Jewish god, no different than the gods of the other nations of the world.
ZARATHUSTRA IS A LUCIFERIAN MESSIAH WHO WORE ONLY WHITE!
Now, at the the End of the Age, as all the signs point to the soon appearance of Antichrist, I was told by a Satanist that Zarathustra is a type of Antichrist. And Zarathustra wore white! He was a spiritual leader, and he wore only white.
Further, in this picture of him we can see that Zarathustra is making a hand gesture with the thumb extended to the right and slightly up, and the forefinger pointing upward. This gesture is called a "mudra", defined by the Dictionary of Mysticism as "a mystic seal of Oriental occultism; a series of occult signs made with the fingers, and considered to have magical effects ." [Quoted by Dr. Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated, p. 231; Emphasis added]
But, then, Dr. Burns tells us that this "mudra" is a method of telling us that a person is a supernatural being, a god. "In addition to mantras and yantras, the third way of representing deities is through gestures (mudra)". [Ibid.]
Now -- notice the Sun behind his head, another symbol of the Divine! The Sun behind him is also a symbol of God, the Sun-God. The Master standing in front of the Sun reflects the glory and the power of the Sun. But, Satan the Hydra Serpent is also symbolized by the Rising Sun! [Cisco Wheeler, Former Black Magick Satanist]
Thus, Zarathustra is saying in this picture that he is Deity, he is God, the Lucifer Sun-God ! [Ibid.]
Finally, notice that Zarathustra is carrying a Staff of Authority, or a Rod, in his left hand. This Rod is also a symbol of the Lucifer Sun-God . There is tremendous Satanic power behind a Staff -- Rod -- of Authority.
The Pope's staff on which the Crucifix is suspended comes directly from this Zarathustra Staff of Authority! The Staff of Authority is yet another symbol of the Illuminati, a symbol dating back over 4,000 years! But, consider the the Pope's Staff of Authority; it now carries the pathetic, twisted figure of Jesus Christ on a Twisted Cross; in the 6th Century, Black Magick Satanists created this staff in derision of the traditional Catholic Crucifix, but adopted it later as a symbol of their Antichrist [See RC100 for full details].
Now, we know two very important facts: Zarathustra is the Lucifer Sun-God, and he always wears white! Thus, in modern Illuminism, this Zoroastrian belief is completely carried forward. The top spiritual leader wears white and he is considered the Lucifer Sun-God ! When any Illuminist meets with him, he is considered "inferior" and wears black.
MORE MEANING TO THE BLACK/WHITE CONTRASTING SYMBOLISM
This white/black symbolism is also considered Yin/Yang, the occult belief of "balance in nature". Occultists also believe that good and evil are equal but opposite, and are inexplicably interwoven. "The most ancient magical devices which reflect this basic duality is the created world. The circular 'Tai Chi' is of Chinese origin and denotes the circle of existence which is made up of the alternation of light (Yang) and darkness (Yin) ..." [Magic Symbols , Frederick Goodman, p. 51]
Why do Illuminists use the White/Black color combination? Since a Satanist considers White/Black as a representative of Yin/Yang, Freemasonry depicts this dual symbolism through their black/white tiled floors as depicted above. Notice that this depiction of a Masonic floor has the Goatshead of Mendes in the exact middle of the floor, another symbol of the Lucifer whom they serve.
WEARING WHITE A SYMBOL OF THE AUTHORITY OF GOD - LUCIFER THE SUN-GOD
The more highly ranked Illuminist will wear white, while the more lowly ranked person will wear black. If an Illuminist meets the Pope, he will almost always wear black, to signify the inferiority, or subordination, of his rank. If you see someone meeting the Pope wearing a different color, you may safely assume he is not Illuminist.
Before we go on, let us restate one critically important a spector of this white/black symbolism regarding the Pope's visitors. In Illuminist thinking, when the Pope wears the white dress, he is harkening back to Zarathustra, who wears the white because he is God, the Lucifer Sun-God ! Therefore, the Pope is declaring to all the world that he is God, and is superior to all other men. When Presidents Bush, Clinton, Reagan, along with Queen Elizabeth II and Former Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, all wore black as they met with the Pope, they were all acknowledging the Pope's superior position as a religious holy man! They were also acknowledging that the Pope is their God!
In Revelation 13, we see two beasts arising upon the world scene. From verses 1-10, we see Antichrist arising as the "First Beast", displaying great Satanic power. But, then, in verses 11-18, we see the "Second Beast", a religious person who "has two horns like a lamb", thus signifying that he will present himself to the world as a Christian leader, and will be accepted as such. However, his inner heart will "roar like a dragon", thus Biblically symbolizing that he has the heart of Satan. Further, we see that this Religious Beast will possess, and display, the same Satanic powers that the First Beast possesses [verse 12]! This Second Beast is also known as the False Prophet .
The False Prophet will command the religious nature of the Kingdom of Antichrist, while Antichrist will command the Political and Economic. Thus, it is not outside the realm of Biblical exegesis to believe that the False Prophet may consider himself to be god. In fact, a terrible falling out between the First Beast [Antichrist] and the Second Beast [False Prophet] is foretold in Revelation 17:16, where Antichrist absolutely destroys the Second Beast and his religious system.
This falling out could very well occur because the False Prophet considers himself to be God and tries to wrest control over the Political and Economic realms from Antichrist. In fact, Catholic author, Malachi Martin, in his book, "The Keys To This Blood", states that the Pope has been promised by a direct revelation from the Virgin Mary herself that, after the New World Order has been established, she will cause a global Marian Apparition, in which she shall tell all the peoples of the world to worship and follow the Pope. One can only imagine the response of Antichrist when the Pope attempts to wrest complete control from him, not being content with just being the top religious leader! Since Antichrist will command the world's armed forces, with its nuclear warheads, it is not a stretch of the imagination to think that the Vatican may be bombed with a nuclear warhead! Listen to the wording of the prophecy: "And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will be the very ones to hate the harlot (the idolatrous woman); they will make her cheerless ... they will strip her and eat up her flesh and utterly consume her with fire." [Revelation 17:16]
Today, we see how this prophecy could be fulfilled: While Illuminist leaders today acknowledge the Pope as god, they are not happy about doing so. The only reason the Pope figures prominently in this plan to produce Antichrist is because the Plan realizes that man is inherently religious, and his religious side must be satisfied. Therefore, the False Prophet must be allowed to stand initially beside Antichrist, empowered by the same occult power. But, when the False Prophet attempts to overthrow Antichrist to seize absolute power himself, Antichrist will annihilate him and his false religious system.
Has the False Prophet been selected yet? Yes, he has, in early 1991. In August, 1991, I was sneaked into a special "Members Only" seminar at the Boston House of Theosophy. The New England Director presented his seminar which was entirely on how Antichrist will be staged. In the course of this seminar, the Director stated that the Pope was a "proper receptor" to the Christ, and he would be the top religious leader of the new global religion [NEWS1052]. This striking revelation branded the Roman Catholic Pope as the Biblical False Prophet!
WE REPEAT: WHITE SYMBOLISM DECLARES POPE TO BE ZARATHUSTRA -- GOD HIMSELF -- THE LUCIFER SON-GOD, JUST AS WAS ZARATHUSTRA!
Let us now review how this white/black symbolism is carried out in the news of our day. You have already seen, above, President Clinton dressed in black, while the Pope was dressed in white. When President Bush met with the Pope, he was dressed in black, the Pope in white.
NEWS BRIEF: "Pope leads world prayer day", by BBC News Online, Thursday, January 24, 2002, http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1779000/1779135.stm
Notice the first picture. In this picture, the Pope is dressed in white, with two sets of people on each side, most of whom were dressed in black. Remember, if a person is dressed in black, he or she is an Illuminist; if a person is dressed in another color, that person is not an official Illuminist. The Pope is definitely given the preeminence by his seating arrangement -- being in the center with people coming to him on each side. Further, this kind of arrangement is visual symbolism of the spiritual belief of the Illuminati, that "all roads lead to Rome". All spiritual journeys, down whatever spiritual roads a person travels, will ultimately lead to Heaven. This is the theme of this entire "Global Prayer Meeting" held this day in Assisi, Italy.
Further, note the almost unbelievable red color of the background behind the Pope and his participants in this picture above. This deep red speaks of the Illuminati, as it is their color of human sacrifice and of Spiritual Warfare. Please study the Satanic symbol of the forces cooperating to produce the New World Order, "I Witch". As you can see, the blood flowing from the letters, "I WITCH" just below the Eye of Lucifer, represents blood. This flowing blood symbolizes the understanding of the Illuminati that the Kingdom of Antichrist can only be achieved through much blood, rivers of blood. If this color seems like the Lenin red of Communism, you are absolutely correct! In Seminar 2, America Determines the True Flow of History, we demonstrate how the Illuminati created Communism to be the exact opposite system [Antithesis] of the existing Thesis system of the West. Further, Rothschild -- the founder of the Masters of the Illuminati along with Adam Weishaupt in 1776 -- literally means "Red Shield", the kind of red you see behind the Pope and his religious guests!
When you go back to the BBC article at http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1779000/1779135.stm you will see the small picture of the Candle-lighting Peace Ceremony, you will see that all but one religious leader was dressed in black.
NEWS BRIEF: "Pope lights beacon of hope", BBC News Online, Thursday, January 24, 2002, by Peter Gould, http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1780000/1780792.stm
In the feature picture, you see the Pope sitting to the left, while French Grand Rabbi Samuel-Rene Sirat attends to him. Thus, you have the spectacle of a Jewish Rabbi attending to the current representative of one of the most Anti-Semitic posts in all history -- the Vatican! How could any self-respecting Jewish rabbi be seen in a picture in which he is being depicted as spiritually inferior to the Pope! Further, how could any self-respecting Former Prime Minister -- Netanyahu -- go before the Pope dressed in inferior black? Why would any Jew thus prosrtate himself before the current office holder of an office that openly cooperated with Hitler during the Holocaust?
The answer was given by Jesus nearly 2,000 years ago:
"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." [Rev 2:9]
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;' [Rev 3:9]
Back in the First Century, the Christian Church had people sitting in the pews, claiming to be Jews, but were not; they were "of the synagogue of Satan". As we have repeatedly stated, the Jewish flag, with the evil Satanic/Illuminist symbol of the Hexagram right on it, is proof positive that the nation of Israel was established by the Illuminists, not true Jews. Every leader since 1948 has been Illuminist, not true Jews. Time and time again, I read anguished cries from true Jewish citizens, saying how could Peres-Barak-Sharon act the way they are in reaction to Arafat's bloody terrorist attacks? Why, these Jews cry, could they not act vigorously to protect their own Jewish people? Why do they repeatedly turn a blind eye toward the murderous Arab attacks, allowing innocent Jewish blood to drain out on the soil of Israel?
No true Jew would act like this, they say. These people are absolutely correct: these leaders are not true Jews, at least not in Jesus' eyes. Further, we know from the Hexagram Flag that these leaders are Illuminists, which means they truly are of "of the synagogue of Satan".
Thus, an Illuminized Jewish leader will have no trouble appearing beside the Pope dressed in inferior black, giving the spiritual superiority to the Roman Catholic Pope! Both the Illuminized Pope and the equally Illuminized Jewish leader share the same New World Order goals. When will the Jewish people wake up? Jesus says they will first be thoroughly deceived by the Antichrist who will arise.
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." [John 5:43]. This man, coming in his own name, is Maitreya the Christ, the New World Order Messiah. He will claim to be the Jewish Messiah for whom Jews have been waiting for 4,000 years. He will "fulfill" all Old Testament Messianic prophecies and he will pour forth great Satanic power resulting in "lying signs and wonders" [2 Thess 2:9]. This Illuminized false Messiah -- Antichrist -- will be greeted with full acclaim by nearly all the common Jewish citizens.
These deceived poor souls will not awaken to the true nature of their False Messiah until he walks into the Temple at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, and profanes the Holy of Holies so much that God will consider his actions to be the "Abomination that causeth desolation" [Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15]. At that moment, Jews will realize their true Messiah would never, ever profane the Temple Holy of Holies in this manner; therefore, this "Messiah" must be false.
At that moment, Jesus' warnings of Matthew 24:16-23 come into full play, as Antichrist will pursue them to attempt to eradicate all Jews on earth. But, in accordance with Revelation 12:6, 13-16, God will supernaturally protect His remnant of Jews from destruction. How large will this "remnant" be? God tells us in Zechariah 13:8; God's elect remnant of Jews will consist of one-third of the population. God will allow Antichrist to kill two-thirds of the population, and this doomed segment will contain all Jews caught up in the Illuminist system or belief structure. Thus, when Jesus returns, He returns to a nation now fully comprised of Elect Jews, they "shall look upon Me Whom they have pierced" [Zechariah 12:10] and recognize Jesus as their Messiah as He descends from Heaven!
Now, let us return to our article, at http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1780000/1780792.stm
About two-thirds of the way down, you will see the Pope clad in his customary Zarathustra white, surrounded by a considerable number of Catholic priests in the Basilica clad in black. Does this mean that these priests are all Illuminists of inferior rank? Doubt in not! In a number of Roman Catholic articles, we demonstrate that the traditional Catholic Church has simply been a practice of White Magic Witchcraft [NEWS1334]. Further, since Pope Paul IV, the church has been practicing Black Magick Witchcraft [RC100], the same prophesied religion of Antichrist [Daniel 8:23-25]. This picture simply reinforces the Illuminism into which the Roman Catholic Church has fallen.
Throughout these pictures, one message screams loudly and clearly: To the Illuminists, the Pope is God, the Lucifer Sun-God!
EPILOGUE
This is the only picture of Zarathustra in which he is not dressed in white; rather, he is dressed in a light blue, called Tortoise. In the religious dogma of Illuminized Satanism, the robes of the most highly ranked priests were colored this shade of light blue. Thus, you can see that Zarathustra is dressed in robes of the highest ranking priesthood, which is certainly fitting, since he is considered divine, a Messiah figure.
But, Cisco Wheeler, former Black Magick Satanist, says that this depiction in these light-blue robes is a new depiction of him. This change from traditional white robes to these light blue means that powerful, magick ceremonies have now occurred that brings Lucifer into the ceremonies, manifesting himself into this dimension through ritual. This new depiction of Zarathustra in these blue robes is a signal to fellow Illuminists that the hour of Antichrist's appearance is, indeed, close.
The word, "Tortoise" speaks of the slow, deliberate pace at which events are moving the world into the Kingdom of Antichrist, the New World Order. As the fairy tale tells us, the race belonged to the tortoise, not the hare! The Illuminati Plan to produce Antichrist was designed to proceed "slow as molasses", but very thorough. We Christians want to go to Heaven so badly we are constantly asking, "When, O Lord", or "How Long"? We must adopt patience, not despairing when events do not occur when we think they should; further, we should not be thinking that, just because the next step has not followed within a certain period of time after the previous step means that the process has stopped. Too many American Christians have come to the conclusion that, just because the next step did not occur quickly after 9/11, the process to the New World Order is off. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Events are again going to start spiraling toward new heights of terror and/or war.
Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones? This is the reason for this ministry, to enable you to first understand the peril facing you, and then help you develop strategies to warn and protect your loved ones. Once you have been thoroughly trained, you can also use your knowledge as a means to open the door of discussion with an unsaved person. I have been able to use it many times, and have seen people come to Jesus Christ as a result. These perilous times are also a time when we can reach many souls for Jesus Christ, making an eternal difference.
If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.
If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home. Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually.
"Of course, since we see that the Holy Spirit was active in their hearts in Matthew 2:12, we can probably safely conclude that, at the time they saw God's "star" arising in the East, the Holy Spirit activated their long and arduous journey.
yeah, good ole' HS at work even then!
so then if this is TRUE, then it proves taht the HS works according to His purpose even in those who are not saved, as the MAGI WERE NOT!
which then again goes back to an original false arguemtn brught up on htis blaagh.
"many will say in that day..LORD, LORD,...but only those who do the will..." (of the HS)
so after that, (follwoing the HS) maybe the MAGI got their ticket punched?
NOW HERE THE CLINKER:
"The more highly ranked Illuminist will wear white, while the more lowly ranked person will wear black. If an Illuminist meets the Pope, he will almost always wear black, to signify the inferiority, or subordination, of his rank.
*******If you see someone meeting the Pope wearing a different color, you may safely assume he is not Illuminist.*********
SAFELY ASSUME???
WHAT??????????????????????
YO TELLIN ME THAT THE PRES IS NOT WITH I. Lou Minardi????
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET ME TAKE A SHOT OF BOURBON FIRST!
I MEAN GASOLINE, BOURBON, SAME DIFFERENCE.....
I GOTTA GO TAKE NAP....THIS TOOOO MUCH FO ME ALL AT ONCE....ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
NO...NO....NO....NO...NO....NO....NO...NO....NO....NO...NO....NO....
THIS WAAAAY TOOO MUCH FO ME.....I GOTTA CALL SOP...GET HIM BACK DOWN HERE...OR BETTER, IM GONG UP WITH HIM....IT TOOOOO CRAZEEEE DOWN HERE......
SOP! SOP! SOP!!......BEAM ME UP TOO!
Notice the first picture. In this picture, the Pope is dressed in white, with two sets of people on each side, most of whom were dressed in black.
"Remember, if a person is dressed in black, he or she is an Illuminist; if a person is dressed in another color, that person is not an official Illuminist.
ANOTHER COLOR,IS NOT AN ILLUMINATI
I CANT TAKE IT ANAMORE!!!!
"Is this client not interested in getting on an email list with Dr. Fred & is he saying he hasn't received any emails from him?"
Those nifty little missives where he refers to the convicts as "the Lads" and other quaint words, like "whilst"
as he offers to sell you services and CD's full of wonderful wisdom?
C'mon, moogie, put your nuts where your mouth is and re-start Dorean.
We'll wait, should take you what? 90 days?
If Byron Gashler and any of the other greedy, self-serving Dorean brokers had the courage of their convictions they would pick up where Johnson left off and march lock-step into the glorious battle against the forces of darkness and evil.
But that might result in the ultimate sacrifice of their freedom.
No, they're not willing to make that ultimate, albeit stupid sacrifice; instead, they're content to let the egomaniac Johnson and his pal Heineman stew while they can sit back and try to find other ways to perpetrate versions of the same scams.
After all, it's really hard to scam the faithful from a jail cell. But you can pick up the pieces of their failure and tune it into a message that might get just one or two more people to believe in the nonsense.
This blog has dwindled into oblivion. The perpetrators are going to be in prison for many years, the participants are faced with reality but the proponents just won't let it die as long as someone dutifully takes the time to post Johnson's evermore bizarre religious diatribe.
This issue and the blog has reached the final level of being so pathetic that it doesn't deserve further attention.
Anyone who has a meaningful need for assistance is welcome to visit sites where genuine issues can be addressed by rational people; this isn't one of them.
Anyone who has a meaningful need for assistance is welcome to visit sites where genuine issues can be addressed by rational people; this isn't one of them.
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check it out!
for yo preverts, they even got pix of judz beesloop sans his raincoat!
or sitting sans his raincoat on BIG abe linkins lap at midnite!
a real treet to be shure!
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we will miss you Wesley, just like a case of STD.
Judge Beanhead said: "No, they're not willing to make that ultimate, albeit stupid sacrifice;"
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Judge: It sounds like you can't make up your mind how you feel about the faithful. Are they stupid or smart? Even you can't decide or commit. LOL
I think the status quo is in very good hands and Dorean will ultimately prevail regardless of what any of his supporters do. That's certainly enough.
Ah, Moogey, dear Moogey, just when I thought you had run out of comedy you surprise/appall me yet again.
I will admit to being truly impressed, I didn’t think you had anyone from the old days that was still on speaking terms with you, guess it comes under the mixed blessing clause, since the range of possibilities is so very slim.
And so begins Dorean Broker/Defendant’s rant
You are the biggest idiot on the face of the planet. If you would have attended just one day of the trial you would see where Scott and Kurt went wrong,
Ah, a moment of perspicacity followed by one of pure delusion, par for the course.
Dorean Broker/Defendant
Just because they didn't know their process was an illegal fraud doesn't make them innocent, which is the defense position they defended.
Which is of course purest grade A BovineSophistry.
Dorean Broker/Defendant
Just as I didn't know what they were sending to banks etc., didn't excuse me or ANY of the successful brokers from being guilty of a conspiracy
This I actually believe. However, it was their failure to actually check into the product they were selling that was part one of their downfall, and at that point they were unwitting partners in the conspiracy. Aside from the fact that anyone with any real knowledge of property, contracts, or real estate would have smelled a rat right off.
Dorean Broker/Defendant
due to the money trail, which is why all of us including the soldier Julian himself took a plea bargain.
Yeah getting caught with your fingers not only in the cookie jar, and covered with jam might just induce one to take any life preserver thrown, yes, indeed, it just might!!
Dorean Broker/Defendant
One thing the honorable Dr. Fred will not tell everyone is that since the one conspiracy charge included Bank fraud in addition to mail and wire fraud, they will not be able to sell the judgments to anyone, so those "stipends" will NEVER happen.
One thing!!!!! Well, aside from the criminal verdict, let’s not forget the civil verdict that it was all a crock, yeah, and since there were no “judgements” to begin with other than the nonsense documents Kurt concocted on his printer, there ain’t never ever gonna be any "stipends". Just one more bit of Kurtian booshwah.
Dorean Broker/Defendant
If you feel you know that Dorean process works, why don't you start up again,
So, Moogs, has your good buddy blown your gaff, and you really were a broker after all?
Dorean Broker/Defendant
Now that my bond has been returned the only people I cannot communicate with are the other defendants which makes you open season, you freakin' retard.
Can’t you just feel the warmth and love for ones fellow man there Moogs? Just makes you all warm and tingly doesn’t it?
Moogey can count to ten, but can’t seem to add 2 and 2
1) is true, it also had nothing to do with reality but that is beside the point, 2) is false, 3) is true, one cannot claim ignorance of something one should have known, or at the least had a duty to know, 4) is mostly true based on the nonsense they tried to present, 5) is hard to believe at best, 6) is hard to figure out where you got this, 7) is true, although complicity may be a better word than conspiracy, but one way or another, participation shares the guilt, 8) is true, since the "stipends", like the process are purely works of fiction and attempted fraud, FYI, attempting to sell those things will net you a nice jail term for attempted fraud, 9) is true in that the dumb schlump finally realized that his neck was well and truly in the noose one way or another and he had better take whatever leaway he could get, 10) would be true, as convicted felons they may not have any contact with another felon, although I can’t imagine any of them wanting to get together and go over old times.
Moogey out on a limb
Since when does a presentment or mortgage challenge in & of itself ALONE become a proven conspiracy? What was illegal about sending a complaint to a lender & asking for legitimate validation of the loan? And he calls me an "idiot".
It is when it is part of a larger scam designed to separate the gullible from their money, the $3K-you remember that don’t you? The document itself would not have been illegal, only laughable, but coupled with the pat. pending self effecting power of attorney, it became an instrument of fraud in and of itself. Actually, he seems to call them like he sees them, if a little belatedly.
more Moogey
Speaking of success, does a successful person not have the imagination or brains enough to think to call his lender to ask for a copy of the presentment sent to his bank?
Well, unless it happened to be on the person’s property the bank would have reasonably ignored the request.
Moogey indignant
Apparently, this Broker's defense now is that he was ignorant not only of the process, but didn't know that the process was a legal process. It's amazing what an MBA can teach you, isn't it?
Which I believe almost as much as I believe anything Dr Fred has to say. If the broker was ignorant, it was only by choice. It is amazing what greed will let you turn a blind eye to.
Moogie incredulous
This Broker must think that the Dorean Group has no remedies or recourses, or any other alternative back up plans.
And he would be right. The Dorean Group is defunct, and has NO recourse at this point, they have been adjudged civilly and criminally a fraud, constituting a criminal enterprise. Any further activity will be dealt with as a criminal action, the “judgements” are a fiction, a legal nullity, a nothing. Anybody stupid enough to try and do anything with those so called “judgements” can look forward to a stint in a state prison if they are lucky, or even Federal prison if they match the dim duo in stupidity and ego.
Moogie reaching for it
Course he probably can't deny in good faith, that he never heard that the Dorean Group had MANY DIFFERENT WAYS or plans or means to bring restitution back to clients.
All as equally ridiculous as the original scam, and as useful.
Moogie oblivious
Won't it be ironical if the dorean process, originally intended as an administrative process, actually achieves redress in a judicial way.
And there’ll be pork in the treetops first. Hallucinate away Moogs, that is as close as you are going to get.
Moogie clueless
To think that the man who started all the fuss would arrest the case so he couldn't control the outcome has to be the height of delusion.
This would be the same genius that is on his way to a Federal prison cell as we speak, right??? Yep, he has everything under control, Moogs.
Moogie out to lunch
The Dorean process did work.
Sure it did Moogs, please feel free to point to any property that was released and stayed released, or that didn’t end up in foreclosure. Please feel free to provide even one success. Oh wait, you can’t, for the simple reason there weren’t any.
Moogie trying to be serious
Speaking of government refunds, if the government was truly interested in compensation for clients, & their interests, why not compensate them from the bank accounts the FBI seized way back when? Why wait for a conviction against the defendants to do this?
Does the phrase due process ring any bells?
Moogie still oblivious
If the government truly believed that a conspiracy was going on, why didn't the government just mail out letters & warn all of the clients right after the FBI raid? They had everyone's personal information way back then & even now.
See above.
Moogie beating a dead horse
If the government case was not about "selective prosecution", than why not prosecute all clients as defendants way back when all of this trial stuff started?
Since most, if not all of the “clients” would not have been guilty of mail fraud there would have been little point. The “clients” are more likely guilty of state rather than federal chargeable acts, and that is where they will likely be charged.
Moogie again
If the government knew that the monies in those dorean accounts was from clients monies due to an illegal service, why not do the right thing right away & have refunds in everyone's pocket by now?
Again, see comment about due process, and also accountability for the funds.
still oblivious
As far as government claim forms, it seems unreasonable that the government already doesn't have the name & addresses & phone numbers of all clients simply through the efforts of the FBI raid when they confiscated all of the paperwork & computers at the Dorean place of business in CA.
Based on what, the enlightened and hyper competent business practices of the dim duo? I would be willing to be that the book and record keeping was so bad they had no idea what they were doing, let alone who they were doing it to.
Moogie delusional
Course the dorean group has promised refunds of upfront monies too. Maybe when the settlements happen, the dorean paperwork should also include a question: Did you receive a refund from the government already?
Let’s see, about on par with the likelihood of you and successful broker kissing and making up I would say.
Just keep right on dreaming Moogs, its all you have left at this point.
Notarial Dissent says:
Moogie clueless
To think that the man who started all the fuss would arrest the case so he couldn't control the outcome has to be the height of delusion.
This would be the same genius that is on his way to a Federal prison cell as we speak, right??? Yep, he has everything under control, Moogs.
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No, that's Kurt comment of Judge Alsup arresting the Civil case from another Judge. Judge Alsup is not going to federal prison, well at least not for now. :o)
You kind of missed the subject matter here & who said what.
Notarial Dissent: I find that you contradict yourself when you try to determine (1) what a conspiracy is or (2) what constitutes being guilty of a conspiracy. or (3) who was guilty of conspiracy & who wasn't. You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth, but so did the prosecution, so it's no wonder why all these conspiracy charges are confusing.
You'll say things like "participation" alone is enough to convict for conspiracy. Yet will exonerate most of the clients due to their ignorance. Then in another sentence you will state that people had a "duty" to know what was going on with the Dorean Process, which is like the saying: "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
Then you will ignore the "unclean hands doctrine" & say that most clients are entitled to financial relief, yet the State laws will LIKELY convict these clients solely based upon their participation.
Then you say that the "bigger scam" going on from the Dorean Group was to steal money from the clients & that the clients were the actual & intended object of the conspiracy being the bigger & real & intended target.
I don't even believe that most clients believe that they were the intended target of getting fleeced.
Maybe most clients might feel that they didn't get what they thought they were paying for, but don't feel that the mischievious actions & conduct, intent & actions of the Dorean Group is their reason for this inability to perform.
Most clients probably feel that "honest services" were being performed, but the powers that be, stiffled the original goals of the process. So really where should the blame be put? On the courts & FBI that protect the lenders interests & lies?
Honest intent & honest services, hardly constistutes a conspiracy, especially since the services are still being worked towards a happy ending for dorean clients.
Based upon the business plan alone of the Dorean Group, certainly the intent of the Dorean Group shows otherwise & that the bigger scam going on was to deceive the Dorean clients through lending practices. The fallout of the subprime crisis shows that lenders are not honest & are involved in a conspiracy themselves against the public.
The fact of the matter is that even now, most clients still believe that the banks were scamming them, despite the outcome of the crimnal trial.
Obviously, you can't make up your mind what you believe. I don't find you congruent, consistent, or understandable at all on this subject.
There needs to be a narrow definition of conspiracy to fit all with no deviations whatsoever & "intent" & "actions" & a "narrow & intended interpretation" of the law needs to be factored in as major and qualifying elements in determining anything for sure.
For example, if you don't know better or never intend to commit a crime, how can you be convicted of a conspiracy? Since when does "innocence" or "good intentions" not matter?
And you were also wrong about the 4million offshore in the Latvian account that was taken. Those monies were seized when a bank wire transfer took place, not stolen in the manner that you said & the guilt of the party you accused, was wrongfully judged. YOu need to get your facts straight before you condemn innocent people on charges you allege out of ignorance.
and Moogie’s mouth is off and running
No, that's Kurt comment of Judge Alsup arresting the Civil case from another Judge.
You kind of missed the subject matter here & who said what.
True, I do sometime have problems deciphering your gibbering rants, however considering the source, my comment stands, and I was referring to Kurt.
and still running
You'll say things like "participation" alone is enough to convict for conspiracy.
No, what I said was that participation is enough to convict as being part of the conspiracy, not of having conspired. You can be guilty of the crime without having been part of the planning of the crime. Subtlety I know is lost on you, but then that has been your problem from the start.
and making more misstatements
Yet will exonerate most of the clients due to their ignorance.
Again, you twist what I said. The clients ignorance of what Kurt was actually doing would insulate them from the actual conspiracy and mail fraud charges, and possibly even the bank fraud to a point.
trying to make up down
Then in another sentence you will state that people had a "duty" to know what was going on with the Dorean Process, which is like the saying: "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
And yet again, you twist what I said, since this was in relation to the brokers, not the clients, although realistically, they should have looked a little further as well. The purveyors of the nonsense had a duty to know what it was they were peddling, and they either didn’t want to know, didn’t look to hard, or possibly in some cases, were just too stupid to know better. A “broker” has a duty to know what it is he is selling, and one would expect to know the legality of it, this obviously didn’t happen, or if it did those who figured it out chose to pretend they didn’t. If you are going around selling patent nostrums, you had best know what is in them, since if they kill someone, you will be held just as liable as the company that made them.
arguing apples and oranges
Then you will ignore the "unclean hands doctrine" & say that most clients are entitled to financial relief, yet the State laws will LIKELY convict these clients solely based upon their participation.
Oh, and I have done this when and how and by what statement? To date I have said very little about that so you are again making things up as you go. Since I have yet to see any realistic figures, and probably won’t until the restitution hearing(you remember your good friend, DUE PROCESS) in June, then maybe we’ll know how much money is actually being talked about, how much was actually seized, and how much they think is missing. Until then there is little point in speculation. I will state for the record, that I do not believe that ANY of the brokers will be eligible for anything, except maybe an eventual jail term, I suspect that as things progress, they will be “encouraged” to make restitution as well, and I suspect there will be some clients who will also be ineligible to make a claim as well. In any event, depending entirely upon the facts and figures, I personally don’t expect that any of the victims are going to get much for the simple reason I don’t think there is much left to return. Maybe the June hearing will answer that question as well.
and still totally clueless
Then you say that the "bigger scam" going on from the Dorean Group was to steal money from the clients & that the clients were the actual & intended object of the conspiracy being the bigger & real & intended target.
Gee Moogs, and here all this time you just thought it was “successful broker” who thought you were a complete idiot.
Get a clue Moogs, open your eyes, and use your head for something besides a hatrack.
The "bigger scam" was to separate as many of the clueless as possible from their $3000, and then if they were stupid enough, or lucky enough to get a refinance after the fake release went through to separate them from the bulk of that. That is the “Dorean Process” in a nutshell. The secondary scam was in getting the refinances using the fake release/discharge. This is the one that brought the Feds into it, since it involved FDIC insured banks, as well as other financial institutions, and it used the mails and wires to accomplish it. There were in fact two conspiracies, the first in getting the original “fees” from the “clients”, and while not co-conspirators the brokers were participants in the conspiracy. The second conspiracy was in the defrauding of the lenders into issuing new loans or refinances on properties that hadn’t really been released, and here the “clients” could be considered to be participants, albeit probably unknowing.
Moogie spake
I don't even believe that most clients believe that they were the intended target of getting fleeced.
I happen to agree with this. I don’t think most of them had a clue, largely because this type of thing works best with the unsophisticated and desperate, and for the most part that seems to have been what they went after.
Moogie tries for ingenuous and fails
Maybe most clients might feel that they didn't get what they thought they were paying for, but don't feel that the mischievious actions & conduct, intent & actions of the Dorean Group is their reason for this inability to perform.
You mean like the ones who lost their homes???? Or just maybe the ones who shelled out $3000 and didn’t get anything out of it???? Are those the ones you mean????
Moogie tries again
Most clients probably feel that "honest services" were being performed, but the powers that be, stiffled the original goals of the process. So really where should the blame be put? On the courts & FBI that protect the lenders interests & lies?
That remains to be seen. However, stifled because they couldn’t come through on patently illegal actions is beyond ridiculous.
Moogie really reaches
Honest intent & honest services, hardly constistutes a conspiracy, especially since the services are still being worked towards a happy ending for dorean clients.
Going for comedy here are you??? There was nothing honest in any of this from start to finish, and “still being worked towards a happy ending ”, who do you think you are kidding besides yourself. Dorean is dead, dead and buried under legal verdict and reality.
Moogie further out on the limb
Based upon the business plan alone of the Dorean Group, certainly the intent of the Dorean Group shows otherwise
Sure it does, as a pattern to commit fraud, it is nothing of the kind.
Moogie tries another limb, just as shaky
The fact of the matter is that even now, most clients still believe that the banks were scamming them, despite the outcome of the crimnal trial.
There are also people who believe the world is flat, despite all evidence to the contrary, and the fact that they haven’t yet managed to fall off of it. Stupidity coupled with the desire to believe something, no matter how much evidence and reason there is to the contrary does not the stupid belief a reality.
Moogie runs out of steam
I don't find you congruent, consistent, or understandable at all on this subject.
Like I should care coming from someone who can’t make a sensible statement to save yourself.
Moogie asks
Since when does "innocence" or "good intentions" not matter?
When your actions are illegal. There is a difference between conspiring and participating in a conspiracy, something you don’t seem to be able or willing to recognize. The courts and the law do recognize it however and deal with it. You may not have been an active participant in the planning of crime, but you can still be prosecuted for taking part in a criminal activity.
Moogs makes it up as he goes since he has run out of old nonsense
And you were also wrong about the 4million offshore in the Latvian account that was taken. Those monies were seized when a bank wire transfer took place, not stolen in the manner that you said & the guilt of the party you accused, was wrongfully judged. YOu need to get your facts straight before you condemn innocent people on charges you allege out of ignorance.
Do tell Moogems. Since I never said any such thing. I have said that to the best of my knowledge about $200K was sent to Latvia, I certainly never mentioned $4M, so I am curious as to where you manufactured that figure from, I am also unfamiliar any of the rest of this, so if you have a reference, then by all means, do share. However, it would seem to be news to the Feds, since the last summary of the case I read mentioned nothing remotely similar to the above.
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