Phase One is now rapidly approaching. It is very important you follow the instructions. I am not going to explain to you the mechanics of how I am accomplishing these payouts. If you don't like it you don't get paid. That is your choice. There will be two ways to work with Phase One.
1. For those of you who file tax returns or expect to in 2008
2. For those of you who do not file taxes or expect to in 2008
I can tell you that I am delighted to finally have arrived at this moment. The delay was as hard on me as any of you. The hearing (last June before Alsup), was all I needed to implement my plan. Judge Alsup was never a threat only a vehicle. I was made aware of this on Dec. 2, 2004. It was his insistence on attempting to destroy me and Dorean with his uncontrolled malice that created the extended delay. I had to let him complete his course. He finished in the June hearing and I began the day after. Regardless of the surface picture, everything has gone perfectly. Our patience will now be rewarded. All Dorean clients need to do is go to http://www.thedoreangroup.net/ and input your data. (Website soon to go live) If you know of clients who have given up, don't read the blog, please contact them and let me know. I will not be posting any new blogs for the near future unless they deal with Phase One issues so that people will remain informed. Go to this link and let's finish our business. I have some bigger things to move on to and you have to get on with your life, with a new and improved belief system. Let me reiterate that these payouts are contractual not emotional. I don't care if you testified at trial, entered negative victim statements, sued me, or was one of the retards on the blog. I said I'd pay you and that is what I must do. No banker or judge can stop me. Only you can stop me now. "Thank you Lord for your mercy, grace, and deliverance. Teach us all through the shame of our unbelief to trust you!" Amen!
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Fox News (Morning Show)interviews April Carney the "Angel" of foreclosure defense. April says there is "illegal debt collection" going on in our country. When asked by the Fox News host if she was calling banks criminal April said there is definately a "criminal economic cartell at work".
See the interview clip: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3373232&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/foxfriends/index.html
Its amazing how G-d trys to send His people messages even thru the media (which satan loves to use as his mouth piece). Notice the title they give this woman.."ANGEL" of foreclosure defense.
JAMES 5:1-8
Rich Oppressors Will Be Judged
1 Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by FRAUD, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.[a] 5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as[b] in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.
7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand
So enamored are these deluded peoples with the false concepts of ‘instantly’ and ‘right now’ they have no conception that these days we are now in are but the beginning stages of what will prove to be the most catastrophic war in our Earth’s entire history.
One can only wonder how these people will be able to survive when the UFO’s they nearly all believe in will cease being objects of mere curiosity and speculation and become staples of their everyday existence as they roam our Earth’s skies to destroy at will all they so desire.
Even worse, these coming times will utterly devastate tens-of-millions of Western Evangelical Christians led falsely into believing they will escape the cataclysms to come by their being ‘raptured’ from this Earth.
Though this word ‘rapture’ is nowhere to be found in the Christian Bible (or for that matter any historical Christian writing period) it has not stopped these millions of believing in the 1830’s ‘vision’ of the young Scottish girl Margaret Macdonald near death from illness, which was then sized upon by the founder of the Plymouth Brethren John Darby, and then carried into mainstream prominence by the bank swindler and ex-convict Cyrus Ingerson Scofield who promulgated the ‘vision’ by writing his own Bible which is still accepted today by these poor souls.
But in this World we live in today, where the lies have become the truth, it remains the sad fact that even though we attempt to break the holds of falsehoods currently imprisoning these peoples minds, they remain as adamant as ever to hold onto them….even as these lies are leading them to their own destruction.
, and then carried into mainstream prominence by the bank swindler and ex-convict Cyrus Ingerson Scofield
LOLLOO!!!
what did yo expec???
somenone ho was perfect to figur this out??
we is all sinners...just coss he was a sinner dun meen dat he cant have the trooth about da raptoon...
let me ask yo sumtingh....
dose ho say dat they will be no raptoon, yo think dat they haf as they say a "interest' in there not beeing a raptoon???
are they impartial judges about this?
or they crocked like jusge beans is??
here a question fo yo??
if there was a raptoon, ho would stand to lose the most from it???
which relgious group is gong to be viciously persectued if there is a rapture???
hint: there wont be any christians left and there aretn many relgions left to chose from....
thing that soem of deese pepples may have infiltrated the bible teachings about non raptoon????
think now...with the HS.....
it clear as day....
..of this relgous groop taht wood be left, then 90% of them is gong to be kill....think they haf a incentive to say there will be not raptoon?????
if it was me, there sho wood be.....i dun want anynone leaaving here...if i gotta suffer, i want everynone esle to suffer to....
BUT IT AINT HAPPENIN' DAT WAY....C'YA......
December 26, 2008
Global Central Banks Acting In Concert-
Disinformation In Financial Dailies To Confuse The People
When The Truth Dawns On Hapless People, There Will Be Blood On The Streets.
This Is The Warning By IMF!
INTRODUCTION
The disinformation by the global financial dailies in the last twelve months as to the cause of the global financial tsunami, serve the same purpose as the global mass media when they perpetuated the lies that lulled the people to support the war criminals Bush, Blair and Howard to launch the barbaric war against Iraq and Afghanistan which resulted in the genocide of millions, the mutilation of hundreds of thousands, physically and psychologically, and the devastation of an entire nation.
The wars unleashed thus far, specifically the “War on Terror” were launched to preserve the shadow money-lenders’ political and military power.
This War on Terror is the greatest military sideshow that distracted the American people from the financial rape and plunder of their economy and the destruction of their Constitution.
Since the Summer of 2007, we have witnessed a concerted effort by the world’s central banks and global commercial and investment banks to preserve the shadow money-lenders’ financial power, one that is founded on fraud and structured in every detail as in the infamous Ponzi scheme.
In the last seven years, the Ponzi scheme was globalised by the Shadow Money-Lenders, siphoning hundreds of billions from so-called sophisticated investors and sovereign wealth funds. At its peak, the Ponzi scheme was estimated to be worth over $500 Trillion, with the Credit Default Swap (CDS) portion just under $60 Trillion!
Hidden behind the headlines of the financial destruction that is sweeping across the globe, lies another story – a dark tale of men who orchestrated the crisis and have amassed enormous wealth and power at the expense of the millions who are now unemployed and whose homes have been foreclosed. This select group of men is in absolute control of the unfolding events. Who are they? THE
HIDDEN POWER
The hidden power is almost indestructible because throughout the ages, any attempt to unveil their hidden agenda and to expose the men behind the screen has been labeled “a Conspiracy Theory” and those who risk their wealth and reputation to expose this power are accused of being “Conspiracy Theorists”.
This is notwithstanding the fact that many insiders who were previously seduced by the power and recanted, have written about such men and their global agendas.
Some “do-gooders” who have visited my website have pleaded with me not to make any reference to the hidden power as “I would be condemned as a conspiracy theorist and lose my credibility.” It is these do-gooders who are unconsciously, the allies and propaganda tools of the hidden power. They are the foot soldiers of the Hidden Power and the first to be slaughtered. They never learn and if they persist, must be considered collaborators.
I have made detail references to the hidden power in my books. I shall recap herein what the insiders have been saying for years. For those who are aware of these writings, it would serve them well to revisit these writings again so as to strengthen their resolve to expose the hidden power until total victory.
In essence, the hidden power is the Global Shadow Money-Lenders - the men and women who control and manage the Shadow Money-Lending System. And they also control all political leaders, directly and indirectly in every part of the world, in every country, Malaysia included!
Anyone who denies this is a fool from our perspective but an indispensable ally from the shadow money-lenders’ point of view.
Please consider the following exposé by renowned insiders.
Napoleon Bonaparte
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
Niccolo Machiavelli
“For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances as though they were realities, and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are.”
President James Madison
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control of governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
President Abraham Lincoln
“The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy.”
President James A Garfield
“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.”
The Rt. Hon. Reginald McKenna – Chancellor of the Exchequer
“I am afraid that the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create money. The amount of money in existence varies only with the action of the banks in increasing and decreasing deposits and bank purchases. Every loan, overdraft, or bank purchase creates a deposit and every repayment of a loan, overdraft or bank sale destroys a deposit. And they who control the credit of a nation direct the policy of governments, and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people.”
Sir Josiah Stamp – Bank of England
“Banking was conceived in inequity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the costs of your own salary, let them continue to create deposits.”
President Woodrow Wilson
“A great Industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world – no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.
“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.”
(President regretted signing into law the Federal Reserve Act)
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter
“The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.”
Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of Banking & Currency Committee
In 1932:
“The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks government at will …”
In 1933:
“Roosevelt has brought with him from Wall Street James P. Warburg, son of Paul M. Warburg, Organizer and first Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve System…”
In 1950:
“This same Warburg had the audacity and arrogance to proclaim before the U.S. Senate: ‘We shall have World Government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by Conquest or Consent’.”
Senator Barry Goldwater
“Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money-lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States.”
Henry Ford
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
The above is the truth laid bare before your eyes and which the shadow money-lenders have spent billions over the years for the control of the global mass media, and paid handsomely specially cultivated economists, historians and politicians to disseminate lies, divert attention and to cover up their hidden agenda.
The next quotation will shock most of you and will change your perspective of many global issues. It is written by a courageous Jew to another courageous Jew.
Benjamin H. Friedman
Letter to Dr. David Goldstein dated October 10, 1954
“The history of the world for the past several centuries and current events at home and abroad confirm the existence of such a conspiracy (to destroy Christianity and obtain global power). The world-wide net-work of diabolical conspirators implements this plot against the Christian faith while Christians appear to be sound asleep. The Christian clergy appear to be more ignorant or more indifferent about this conspiracy than other Christians … It seems so sad.”
A HISTORICAL DETOUR
To secure their global agenda, the shadow money-lenders needed a national base to first consolidate their power and to legislate laws that would secure their monopoly to issue money and credit. The target country was England and that is why the first central bank was the Bank of England. Almost all the laws that secured the money-lenders their unbridled economic and political power can be traced back to the legal basis for the establishment of the Bank of England as a central bank and their unfettered right to create “credits”.
The £ was the currency of choice for world conquest and the result was the mighty British Empire, where the sun never sets! It was an empire based on debt. When the £ Ponzi scheme unraveled, Britain outlived its usefulness and the shadow money-lenders relocated to structure another Ponzi scheme.
The next target country was the United States and the vehicle was the Federal Reserve System. It was a long struggle, but the shadow money-lenders finally prevailed. Thereafter, they established the greatest financial empire in history, but they are still short of their ultimate hidden agenda, as arrogantly proclaimed by James P. Warburg – the establishment of a World Government by conquest or by consent!
Today, the shadow money-lenders have achieved unrivalled military power, but in the process they have put at risk the fiat money system. This is because so much money was required to maintain and sustain the military might of the US and its military bases in client states all over the world and the occupation of Germany and Japan since their defeat in 1945.
What is important to understand is that the shadow money-lenders are parasitic in nature and they have to feed on a continuous diet of debts. The financing of military adventures ensures a continuous stream of debts and compound interests. Debts beget more debts!
When the debts reach saturation point, the Ponzi scheme will collapse and hence, the need to revive and or re-establish another Ponzi scheme, failing which the shadow money-lenders’ financial empire cannot be sustained.
BRETTON WOODS (I) – POST WORLD WAR II PONZI SCHEME
At the end of the Second World War, the United States was the indisputable super-power and largest creditor.
The shadow money-lenders created various covers for massive lending such as the Marshall Plan, supposedly to revive the devastated economies of Europe and Asia. Under the cover of the aforesaid altruistic economic plan of post war recovery, was the hidden agenda for the establishment of the US dollar as the one and only supreme currency to replace the £.
The shadow money-lenders had under their control the following sovereign debtors post World War II:
Canada
The countries of the South American Continent
The countries of Europe, west of the then “Iron Curtain”
The countries of the African continent
The countries of the Middle East
The countries of Asia, west of the then “Bamboo Curtain”
Australia and New Zealand
To secure the sovereign debtors’ consent to the use of the dollar as reserve currency, it was agreed that the dollar was redeemable in gold at US$35 per oz of gold.
The shadow money-lenders never had it so good. Then they got greedy.
Like the goldsmiths of yester-years, the shadow money-lenders created more credits than there was gold to sustain the dollar reserve currency. There were also the numerous wars that needed to be financed, principally the Vietnam War and the proxy wars in Africa and Latin America. There was a huge drain in the gold holdings at Fort Knox.
This gave rise to a crisis of confidence in the Bretton Woods (I) dollar system.
To resolve the crisis and to maintain the unrivalled position of the US dollar, the shadow money-lenders devise a brilliant scheme – a variation of Bretton Woods (I)
BRETTON WOODS (II) – PURE FIAT MONEY SYSTEM
The dollar would no longer be redeemable in gold as decreed by President Nixon.
There were two parts to the overall scheme to secure full compliance.
Part 1 was the use of the simple bully tactic. The Cold War was engineered and intensified to create the myth that the Soviet Union would unleash a nuclear war against the “free countries” and therefore there was a need for collective security in which only the United States could provide the necessary defense, as it was the most powerful nation in the world.
The quid pro quo for the protection under the umbrella of the US led collective security was that countries must continue to use the US dollar in all international trades.
Notwithstanding the fact that the client states agreed to the new arrangement, there was still the fear by the shadow money-lenders that sooner or later the debtors will wise up to the fact that they were holding mere toilet papers. Should this happen, the dollar would be dumped as toxic waste and that would spell the end of the shadow money-lending system.
Part 2 was therefore initiated and the man chosen to implement the con-game was none other than Henry Kissinger. He secured an agreement with the corrupt Saudi monarch and lesser tyrants in the region that the oil price would be manipulated to hit the roof and in return for their untold wealth and financial power, all future crude oil trades must be denominated in dollars, and the petro-dollars must be repatriated to the United States, to be invested in dollar assets.
In a warped sense, dollar was now backed by crude oil instead of gold, as without dollars, no nation could purchase crude oil.
The dollar toilet paper over-night regained its stature and value as the global reserve currency.
Yet, and once again the shadow money-lenders got greedy. They came to the insane conclusion that they could create limitless credits (debts) out of thin air and none would be wiser!
By the late eighties, it was apparent to the shadow money-lenders that the demand and use of crude oil would not be able to sustain the level of dollar credits needed to support the debt pyramid.
Plan B, the Yen Carry Trade was put into action – borrowing yen at zero interest rate to invest in dollar assets, bearing higher interest rates. The Japanese could not complain, being a conquered race and still under military occupation, and so for over a decade, they suffered in silence. The dollar as the global reserve currency was saved, but, not for long.
The instability in the Middle East became a major concern. Saddam Hussein had grandeur ideas. He aspired to be the regional power but Desert Storm scuttled his grand designs. Iran having recovered from the devastation of the eight-year war with Iraq, began to assert itself and their growing strength was perceived as a threat to the security interests of the shadow money-lenders and their partners-in-crime, the big oil companies.
A Plan C was needed. The China card had to be played!
THE CHINA FACTOR
Deng Xiaoping in the 1980s announced to the world that China would practice socialism with Chinese characteristics. Being Red was not critical, for the colour of the cat was not important so long as the cat catches mice!
China wanted to modernize and catch up with the West. It had abundant cheap labour and a disciplined workforce. But development was slow and foreign investments were confined to certain regions.
Back home in the US, manufacturing concerns were being clobbered by the Japanese and the Koreans. Industry after industry became less competitive and costs were rising. A solution had to be found.
The shadow money-lenders have their share of worries – How to accelerate the momentum of credit creation in an economy that is slowing down? Less debts mean less compound interests and therefore less profits. Q.E.D.
The shadow money-lenders realized soon enough that if debt-driven consumption is the solution, then there must be a manufacturing base that can produce the massive quantities of goods that would meet the demands for debt.
China loomed large in the overall scheme of things.
The shadow money-lenders entered into an agreement with the Chinese along the lines of the petro-dollar agreement. There will be massive relocation of industries to China, massive investments in plants and equipment to produce goods for the US and European markets in exchange for dollar denominated trade. And more importantly, it was agreed that the dollar trade surplus would be re-invested in dollar assets.
It was an offer that China found hard to refuse. It was the fast track to economic development and the rapid modernisation of China. China agreed and the rest is history!
Debt exploded in the US and in Europe. Consumers were borrowing as never before to purchase the goodies from China. The recycled dollars from China funded the consumer bubble from home ownership to motorcars, electronic goods, toys, clothing etc. China became the world’s factory and her economy surged. Within a decade, China accumulated dollar reserves amounting to $2 Trillion. Other Asian countries jumped on the bandwagon, and accumulated huge dollar reserves. These huge reserves must be invested and the US lured them to the exotic investments created by Nobel Laureates and rocket scientists.
THE DERIVATIVE CASINO
Financial engineering by the shadow money-lenders accelerated further credit creation. The United States led the way. During the past ten years, while income stagnated, consumer spending rose to a record $8.34 trillion fueled by cheap consumer loans – home mortgage, credit-card loans, car loans, holiday loans etc.
The securitization of the growing stream of compound interests from the wide range of consumers’ debts was the natural and logical step in the next round of credit creation for the derivative casino. These debts were sliced and diced into tranches to form CDOs, synthetic CDOs, CLOs, MBS and CDS etc. and marketed worldwide. The demand for securitization was so great that banks and mortgage brokers were even willing to lend to borrowers on the barest of credit information. They were aptly called “Liars’ Loans”!
In 2004, $157 billion CDOs were issued but rocketed to an amazing $557 billion in 2006. And when there were insufficient mortgages to be securitized into CDOs, Wall Street created the “synthetic CDOs” – bonds which have no underlying loans and or security but allegedly have an income stream based on a parallel contract and on contingencies which may or may not result in any interest payments. Investment is risk, stupid! Higher risks, higher payouts!
In the first quarter of 2007, the creation of CDOs surged further, led by Merrill Lynch which sold nearly $29 billion in February and March, sixty per cent more than the preceding two-month period; Goldman Sachs pushed $10 billion in March which more than double the value in February and Citigroup sold $9 billion in March, one third more than the previous month. CDOs were the rave and the ticket to glorious wealth.
The US, specifically Wall Street became the “Mecca of debts”.
The rest of the world jumped on the bandwagon. So much CDOs were packaged and sold so quickly that no one even had the time to determine which and what securities were being securitized in the CDOs. “Just do the trade, just do the trade” was the chorus line for the traders.
The following table says it all – the Sub-Prime Fiasco.
The Shadow Money-lenders also came up with a scheme to protect investors and which brought another massive stream of revenue. The scheme was called “Credit Default Swaps” (CDS).
Total Face Amount of CDS was estimated as follows:
2001 $918.9 Billion
2002 $ 2.2 Trillion
2003 $ 3.8 Trillion
2004 $ 8.4 Trillion
2005 $ 17.1 Trillion
2006 $ 34.4 Trillion
2007 $ 62.2 Trillion
2008 $ 54.6 Trillion as of June 2008
The world became addicted to debt!
Then the housing bubble busted, and with it the gigantic Ponzi scheme.
Creditors are now faced with a dilemma, what to do with the loads and loads of dollar toilet paper, now derisively referred to as “toxic wastes” – stand pat, sell down, continue to be paid in dollar toilet papers or shut down the printing press?
We are now at this juncture.
THE SHADOW MONEY-LENDERS’ LAST GAMBIT
The Fed’s decision to cut the Fed Fund Rates to 0.25 percent means that the Fed has embarked on a Zero-Interest-Rate Policy (ZIRP) and to proceed with the policy of Quantitative Easing (QE) – to turn on the spigot for “limitless supply of credit”.
In layman’s jargon, to encourage more debts – mortgage debts, credit-card debts, car loans, and more importantly to revive the derivative casino, presently on life support. This was the drug addiction that sustained the global financial system in the last twenty years and more intensely in the last seven years!
The announced policy (ZIRP / QE) is the last bullet in the Fed’s arsenal or as I have stated earlier, using another analogy, the final gamble, the last chip on the betting table. There will be no more ammunition left after this.
This huge gamble will take six months to play out but it will end in failure as surely as the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.
But a more sinister aspect of the zero-interest-rate policy which has not been highlighted by any economist or financial commentator is that the United States under the present Bush regime has declared to the entire world that the United States cannot and will not service anymore interest payments on the nation’s outstanding debts amounting to trillions.
Bush has declared that the United States for all intent and purposes is bankrupt and have no means to service the interest due, what more the principal sum.
Bush, Bernanke and Paulson have therefore collectively agreed to give the “two-finger sign” to the world’s creditors and in no uncertain terms are saying that:
You creditors, you a@#holes, you can jerk off. You know, I know and the whole bloody world knows that the US of A have no income to even service the interest which amounts to a few hundred billion a year.
So let us stop the pretense. We owe trillions and interest on top of that runs to hundreds of billions, which when unpaid is capitalized. And every year we have to borrow from you guys just to pay the interest so as to avoid a call on default. There were so many occasions when we have defaulted, but you guys allowed us to roll over to maintain the façade that the US of A is still floating.
We ain’t floating like a bee, but we are sinking fast! Let’s cut the crap and be real.
So this is the offer. And you jerks better listen good because this will be said once and once only.
You guys should be more than happy with so much interests already accruing on the outstanding. All these years, you guys have been only too happy to see us print the toilet papers in payment of your goods and to service the interests. It was an incredible con and what a free ride we had all these years. You guys were part of the con as well.
If you insist that I continue to pay you in toilet papers, why do you insist that we issue more toilet papers as interest payments? It is just more toilet papers. You guys are swarmed with toilet papers!
The toilet paper is worthless. So what is the point of paying “toilet paper interest” on outstanding toilet papers?
This is it! We are not paying anymore toilet paper interest. We are going to print more toilet papers to pay for whatever we want to purchase. If you want to sell to us, you will get toilet papers but with no interest. Period!
This is the greatest irony. The Fed, the world’s biggest money-lender and its partners-in-crime are telling their creditors to stuff it! When debtors cannot pay the exorbitant interests and the principal, these financial predators demand that the debtors give their pound of flesh in lieu of cash. But when they borrow, they repay in toilet paper money abd get away with it!
And now they even have the audacity to give an ultimatum:
We are the biggest buyers in town. If you don’t want toilet papers from us, that is fine by us. You can get tissue papers from the Europeans, bamboo papers from the Japanese and whatever that is on offer. Who is going to argue whether tissue paper would do a better job than plain toilet paper? Hey, this is a free market. Pick your choice!
This is the ultimate poker game. Bush, Bernanke and Paulson is betting that no one will call their bluff, turn away and stop selling anymore goods to the US of A. Bush is counting that the fear of recession and or social unrest in the creditors’ countries will force the creditors to capitulate.
Unfortunately, this gambit will fail. The reason is simple. The US cannot supply the goods that the American consumers want, even the most basic stuff. The manufacturing industries are all anemic, while others are on life support. Without imports, the United States will have to shut down within six months.
There will be massive riots all over the US, with people killing for food and other basic necessities. Basic raw materials, commodities for manufacturing etc. will be unavailable. There will be no more cars on the freeways! Millions of Americans licensed to carry arms will stalk the streets for whatever scrap they can get their hands on.
You can bet your bottom dollar, the Shadow Money-Lenders and its military partner will impose martial law.
Preparation is already on the way.
PRESIDENT BUSH’S STARK WARNING
On Tuesday, December 9th 2008, President Bush in fascist speak stated that, “I have abandoned free market principles to save the free market system.”
If you guys out there still don’t get it, this is what Bush is saying:
I am imposing dictatorial rule!
This is because the opposite of “free market” according to conventional wisdom is “state-control economy”. In a word, Socialism – Big Government.
The Fed and the Treasury, in connivance with Congress, have already approved and financed big time, the acquisition of the major banks in Wall Street through the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility (TALF), and the $700 Billion bailout plan. Several US financial commentators have already conceded that this is outright nationalization of the financial institutions.
Soon it will be the nationalization of the big corporations like GE, GM, Ford and Chrysler, all too big to be allowed to fail.
Too far fetched? Just look back to the events leading to World War I and World War II and to the dictatorships in Latin America in the 1970s.
How did Franklin Roosevelt get out of the 1930s mess if not for big government policies and engaging in the wars in Europe, against Germany and Japan in Asia? He even decreed Americans could no longer own gold in any form. They were all confiscated. President Roosevelt ruled with an iron fist, and don’t you believe otherwise.
Now that the entire world knows that the Federal Reserve Note (the dollar bill) is toilet paper and even though in law is “legal tender” (i.e. by law the toilet paper must be accepted as full payment of any debt, failing which the debt is deemed paid), the Shadow Money-Lenders cannot afford the risk of an armed open rebellion and the fiat money system to be overthrown. It is therefore necessary in these circumstances to enforce the use of the US dollar toilet paper by military rule and brutality.
To those who are not attuned to “dictatorship speak”, there is no clearer message to prepare the elites for the coming catastrophe that the announcement that free market principles will no longer apply. The emphasis is on the word “free” and not the word “market”.
We can argue till the cows come home whether my reading of events is correct. Time will be the final judge.
WORLD GOVERNMENT BY CONQUEST OR CONSENT
James P. Warburg, the son of Paul M. Warburg (first Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve System), had proclaimed that world government is their ultimate objective. But that objective cannot be achieved unless and until the United States is completely subdued. A world government can only come about if there is created a crisis that will engulf the entire world, starting from America. Such a crisis will not and cannot be resolved by any one country. It will have to be a global solution. And since countries can only work through a common mechanism, there is therefore a need for an international institution or mechanism.
The United Nations is the precedent from which a new world government will emerge.
Henry Kissinger, since the onset of the crisis, has been calling and cajoling world leaders to submit to such an endeavour if the world is to avoid a global calamity.
And it will be a socialist world government. Before anyone protest and declare that I have gone insane, let me state here once and for all, I am in full command of my faculties. I have done my research.
Capitalism and Socialism are two sides of the same money-lender’s coin. Both ideologies serve a common master - the global shadow money-lenders.
For doubting Thomases, please consider the following facts:
1) The Russian October Revolution, led by Lenin was financed by bankers, to be precise, the bankers in New York and Berlin. In New York, the money was organized by the banking firm of Kuhn, Loeb & Co whose directors included Mr. J. Schiff and Mr. Warburg, founder of the Federal Reserve System. In Berlin, the German banker was the brother of the New York Warburg.
2) On January 16, 1962, the Look and Life magazine published the following statement by David Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel who was then still in office:
“The image of the world in 1987 as traced in my imagination: The Cold War will be a thing of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligentia in Russia for more freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence of the workers and farmers and the rising political importance of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy. Western and Eastern Europe will become as federation of autonomous states having a socialist and democratic regime … countries will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly united nation) will build a shrine of the prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah.”
3) On the success of the Russian October Revolution and the abdication of the Czar Nicholas II, the British Premier David Lloyd George said in Parliament, that Britain had achieved one of its major war aims.
4) The principal aim of Capitalism and Socialism is the centralized rule of an elite political group which owns and or controls all the means of production and the issuance of money and credits – in the case of the former, through various forms of monopoly and in the case of the latter, public monopoly.
WHY WAR IS INEVITABLE
To prove the point, let me use a simple analogy.
It is often reported in the headlines of newspapers that a certain gentleman or woman had been brutally beaten up for failing to pay the debts due to a money-lender. In Malaysia, money-lenders are often referred to as “Ah-Longs”. This is even the case when the debt is paltry. If the money-lender adopts the “soft method” in recovering a loan, it may encourage defaults and non-payments. Brutality ensures full compliance!
So is the case with nations. When the very survival of a nation is at stake because of economic and or currency warfare, do you really think that the nation at risk would not go to war?
The US invaded Iraq not because of the threat of Saddam’s WMD but for the crude oil and because Saddam was selling crude oil in Euros instead of the dollar toilet paper.
The shadow money-lenders are in a desperate situation and they will start a world war to avoid the collapse of the fiat money system. The war will be financed by the major central banks and their proxies – the 8 to 10 global commercial and investment banks. As in World War I and II, the elites of the City of London and Wall Street will be the primary movers of this insidious plot.
Anyone who doubts this scenario need only to ask one simple question – Do you think the financial powers centred in the West would accept and tolerate their loss of financial power?
I am using such graphic terms because the average Joe Six-Packs have yet to appreciate the full import of the latest announcements by President Bush that the US will abandon “Free market principles”, and by Bernanke of the Fed’s Zero-Interest-Rate Policy. Worst still, the majority of the political leaders of the third world are equally ignorant. This was evident in the APEC Summit in Peru. Like the average Joe Six-Packs, these leaders have no idea how the fiat money system works. When Washington and London say “print”, “open the spigots”, “lower interest rates”, and vice-versa they just follow blindly. There was just one rare exception, when Malaysia opted out during the 1997 financial crisis. Even then, this was temporary as the new Badawi regime has succumbed to the old ways.
Can this war be stopped?
There is a slim chance. If American patriots, who are lawfully armed, rebel and resist the imposition of martial law, world war may be averted.
The IMF has already warned that if the US fails to resolve the crisis, there will be massive social unrest. There will be blood flowing on the streets! Military power would be pitted against brave militias with a proud tradition of having once defeated the mighty British colonial power.
Dare we hope for a second American Revolution?
Matthias Chang is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Matthias Chang
Some “do-gooders” who have visited my website have pleaded with me not to make any reference to the hidden power as “I would be condemned as a conspiracy theorist and lose my credibility.” It is these do-gooders who are unconsciously, the allies and propaganda tools of the hidden power. They are the foot soldiers of the Hidden Power and the first to be slaughtered. They never learn and if they persist, must be considered collaborators.
It is these do-gooders who are unconsciously, the allies and propaganda tools of the hidden power
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO Y'ALL!!!
better in '09!!!
fo sho!!!
WOW!!!
an yo tawt dat guy name salami rushme had to go into hiding?!!!
dis guy better go get a years worth of meal readdy to eats mre's and find a nice hair condition cave in afscameyestand an stay there fo a year if he pubish that list!!!
whew!!!! hot stuff there!
def radioactive sh*t!!
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December 31, 2008
ISRAELI LEAKS MONEY-LAUNDERING INFO ON U.S. CONGRESS!
REVEALS HOW ISRAEL MIS-USES FOREIGN AID FROM USA TO "BRIBE" CONGRESS WITH CAMPAIGN FUNDS
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Just 90 more days!
Memorable Quotes of the past year
NEODEMES-"Hi.I'm Bruce Macomber,and I'm mad as hell."
Only a few more years untill you can BK again.
"The Federal goverment will not bail out lenders,because that would only make a recurrence of the problem more likely."
George W BUSH,Sept.2007
"The worst is over" Warren Buffett, on Bloomberg TV, May 3,2008
"Nobody saw this coming"
Angelo Mozilo,CEO of Countrywide Financial, July 2007 after he sold $138 million of stock.
"We finished the year positioned better than ever to capitalize on the array of opportunities still emerging around the world" Stanley O'Neal,CEO of Merrill Lynch,Jan 2007.
"These insitutions [Freddie and fannie]are fundamentally sound and strong" Christopher Dodd,Chair,Senate banking committee,July 12,2008.
"I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than in fact exists". Barney Frank, regarding Fannie and Freddie,2007.
"There is a chance that housing prices could fall,but its effect on the economy will be limited" Alan Greenspan,2005
"The market impact of US subprime mortgage fallout is largely contained and that the global economy is as strong as it has been in decades." Henry Paulson Jan 2007.
"All the signs I look at show the housing market at or near the bottom.The US economy is very healthy and robust." Henry Paulson April 20 2007
"I'm not interested in bailing out investors, lenders and speculators."
Henry Paulson, March
2,2008.
"It is not the responsibility of the Federal Reserve nor would it be apprropiate to protect lenders and investors from the consequences of their financial decisions." Ben Bernanke,Oct 15,2007.
"Bye bye bear market. Say hello to the bull and don't let the door hit you on the way out."Jim Cramer Aug 4,2008.
"Take what ever idiot they have at the top of whatever agency and give me a better idiot. Give me a caring idiot. Give me a sensitive idiot. Just don't give me the same idiot." Aaron Broussard,president,Jefferson Parish,huricane Katrina 2005.
What a disaster has befallen on the financial industry thanks to OTC Derivatives manufacturers, 158 year old Lehman and 95 year old Merrill. We are yet to witness the final chapter of this horror story which is the death of the US dollar with America’s permanent fall from grace.Thank you to the army of geeks who still do not know what all the fuss is about, to management that counted their bonuses but knew nothing about derivatives and regulators that were not at home.
Well, it is nice to see that some things remain the same.
His puissant pustulence still spouting the same sanctimonious sacrilegious bs that has been his stock in trade since the start of this farce.
Moogie sitting and nodding his head at every bit of nonsense uttered like the good little lap dog he is, and then we have the village idiot spouting the nonsense that he steals from other websites, without even being able to comprehend what it is he is stealing.
And it is so nice to see that Kurt is his continuing consistent self. Kurt is following in an old pathway, in the early days of computing we had companies who were coming out with new and improved and more wonderful software, kind of like Kurt’s new and improved fraud for separating fools from their money. In the software industry, it was and still is known as VAPOR WARE, going to be released RSN - that “REAL SOON NOW”. Kurt had his vapor money theory to back his mortgage elimination fraud, and now he has his contribution to the vapor family, the “VAPOR SETTLEMENT”. Which is fitting after all, since we’ve already seen Kurt’s vapor money mortgage elimination scam, which didn’t, his vapor court victories, which weren’t, and now, most fittingly, his vapor settlements, which will never happen either. And that doesn't take into consideration the excuses they will come up for the web site not ever happening, all of course provided that they ever get the ssl certificates or whatever the next excuse will be.
Way to go Kurt, nice to see you living down to expectations.
Noatarial Dissent: Payouts will happen!!! Your statement is based upon not knowing all the facts. Sorry you missed the clue. Payouts will come as compliments from the IRS! In other words, the source of funds will be coming from there.
Haven't you heard of people getting money back from the IRS that is owed to them? If you don't file the proper paperwork, the monies are considered abandoned, and abandoned monies past their redemption period are lost. Course you don't know which forms to file to make this happen so you are again speaking in the dark. There are those that have ALREADY MADE THIS HAPPEN & HAVE RETRIED MILLIONS BACK from the IRS so the process is solid and believable.
You can go back three years, to file for refunds, but most people don't file for everything they are entitled to, nor file the proper paperwork to make it happen. In order to get your remedy, you must know what to do. You are only limited by the amount of credit you've taken out. Notarial Dissent, you won't be told the exact process and paperwork needed to accomplish payouts in Phase 1, but you were already given clues which you missed:
Kurt said:
There will be two ways to work with Phase One.
1. For those of you who file tax returns or expect to in 2008
2. For those of you who do not file taxes or expect to in 2008
_______________________
Notarial Dissent, what is the difference between lapping up everything I hear from Kurt, and you discrediting everything he says? LOL
now dat da DG is CFB, if yo still wanna get in on da deel, suggest dat yo strat listing to kendy's radeeo shoze....but yo will nedd to do lotts of studding, coss yo will hafa to do it on yo own....only one dat yo will haf to help yo is jimmy noone...if yo can fine him!
CFB = CLOSED FO BIZNISS
maybee even bouncing balls yipes will payout too!!!
LLOOL!!
is da untied stats about to beecum untied fo reeel???
an what doo it meen??
www.whatdoesitmean.com/tnsafe.htm
da none world odor they use the yin/yang prinsiple...
if yo want to do sumting, first doo da oppsite of wha yo want to accomplish.
so first brake up da usa so dat yo can untie dem into to nude worl odor...
it like...
yo want to unite da peepls...first divide them
or
yo want to divide da peepls, den first unite them...dats wha they did with your rope too...
Moogie on his next bandwagon
Payouts will happen!!! Your statement is based upon not knowing all the facts.
Sure they will Moogs, there has to be money to make payouts, and Kurtums got bupkis, I doubt if he even has enough to use the prison canteen, let alone pay back all the people he has swindled.
Facts???? Moogie, well, fact is Kurt is in prison and going to stay there the rest of his life. Fact??? Kurt hasn’t got two rubber nickels to rub together. Fact??? So far Kurt has predicted he would eliminate his victims mortgages, he didn’t and failed miserably. Kurt predicted he would never go to trial and then later that he would be vindicated and freed, yet he did go to trial, and he lost big time. He predicted his verdict would be overturned, and yet oddly enough, he is still in prison, and looking to get more time added for other crimes he has committed.
So, just what facts were you referring to??? So far, the only fact you haven’t gotten around to is that Kurt is a lying pustulance who has yet to come through on anything he has said or promised.
Moogie ever delerious
Payouts will come as compliments from the IRS!
Moogs, you really have taken one too many to the head if you are stupid enough to believe this latest phantasm.
In the first place, there are only a set number of reasons that one can get a refund from the IRS, and those have nothing to do with anything related to the Dorean nonsense. Last time I checked, greed and stupidity were not grounds for a refund, and a refund also implies something being paid in to begin with.
Moogie shilling for the latest con
You are only limited by the amount of credit you've taken out.
Right Moogs, you have now taken a turn from being merely delusional to having completely lost touch with reality.
I will admit it, I can hardly wait to see what the latest round of nonsense will be, but nonsense it will be none the less.
Moogie asking the wrong question
Notarial Dissent, what is the difference between lapping up everything I hear from Kurt, and you discrediting everything he says? LOL
Let’s see, that you a colossal fool and that I am laughing at you for a start????
So Kurt is going to go from petty ante con artist to unoriginal con artist filing fraudulent liens to really stupid tax fraud, quite a step down the ladder, but hardly unexpected given past history.
"I'm trying to free your mind Neo.But I can only show you the door, you're the one that has to walk through it."
Notarial said: a refund also implies something being paid in to begin with.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LOAN PROCESS SHOWS? THE BANK TAKES YOUR PROMISSORY NOTE WHICH IS A DEPOSIT THAT NEEDS TO BE RETURNED. THERE'S THE SOMETHING BEING PAID IN YOU REFER TO THAT CONSTITUTES A REFUND BACK. WE'LL JUST BE CLAIMING OUR REMEDY & USING THE IRS TO PAY US BACK.
LAUGH ALL YOU WANT. IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE WITH SUCCESS & THOSE THAT HAVE DONE IT ARE NOT IN PRISON. KURT KNEW OF THIS REMEDY BEFORE HE STARTED THE DOREAN PROCESS AS HE MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS POST. REMEMBER, HE HAS ALWAYS SAID HE HAS DIFFERENT WAYS TO FULFILL HIS PROMISES & HIM BEING IN JAIL IS NOT GOING TO STOP THE PAYOUTS. THIS IS JUST PHASE 1PAYOUTS. PHASE 2 WILL BE MUCH BETTER & PHASE 2 WILL PROVE HE DOES HAVE MONEY.
NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN PAYOUTS HAPPEN, THIS WILL PROVE THERE WAS NO MAIL FRAUD TOO & THAT DOREAN WAS NO SCAM, WHICH MEANS THE PRINCIPALS WERE IMPRISONED WRONGFULLY.
Hey Judge...you're talkin my language now:-)
i dont no if da dg has just started with this "new process" or it was the plan all along.
there are probly many ways to do the AR
the problem seem to be collecting on it.
there are hundreds who seem to have used a process by another party but the problem seem to be in enforcement of the AR from the ISR.
the IRS doesnt want to seem to give up the moeny.
they are gong to have to serve process on some pubic offical to collect.
guess we will fine out wha hoppens.
on bouncing balls blaaagh, somenone post the same queston fo when they hype payout:
1. For those of you who file tacks returns or expect to in 2008
2. For those of you who do not file tacks or expect to in 2008
they ask if dis qeston aplly to afta the hype payout or beefo?
in odder words, if da hype payout would yo bee fillin a incum tacks foam?
if da hype didnt payout, wood yo bee fillin out a incum tacks form?
it makes a diffrints?
in otto words, if yo never fill a incum tax beefo, now da hype payout, yo get all dis money, are yo gong to fill out a incum tacks now?
but if da hype didn payut, yo wooden bee fillin in a incum tacks....
I’m really curious Moogs, when you get this shrill and hysterical, do your eyes really bug out and your nostrils flare, and I’ll just bet your voice gets high and screechy too, and I’ll just bet you stamp your fee a lot.
Moogie shrill and delusional
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LOAN PROCESS SHOWS? THE BANK TAKES YOUR PROMISSORY NOTE WHICH IS A DEPOSIT THAT NEEDS TO BE RETURNED. THERE'S THE SOMETHING BEING PAID IN YOU REFER TO THAT CONSTITUTES A REFUND BACK. WE'LL JUST BE CLAIMING OUR REMEDY & USING THE IRS TO PAY US BACK.
Well, from you comments you show you haven’t clue one about what actually goes on.
The bank does not “TAKE” the promissory note as a deposit, it takes it in exchange for the money that is lent at the signing of the PN. The PN is only returned when the debt -loan- is repaid. Otherwise, the PN is personal property(right to be repaid) of whoever the holder happens to be, otherwise, why would it say “I, maker, promise to repay the following”?, that is after all why it is called a promissory note, because it is a promise to repay.
And then you truly go off into the weeds of self delusion. The PN is evidence of a debt that has be repaid, by the maker of the note. There is nothing there that would ever constitute a basis for a refund, and which in any event will have nothing to do with the IRS, other than the interest deduction the payor can take. At which point you have gone seriously into the world of looney.
Moogie and a lot of false bravado
LAUGH ALL YOU WANT. IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE WITH SUCCESS & THOSE THAT HAVE DONE IT ARE NOT IN PRISON.
Sure Moogs, just like Kurt was going to eliminate all those mortgages and not go to jail. The only difference here is that he will be involving anyone who participates in Federal Tax fraud, for which they will go to jail, just for the attempt.
Moogie parroting the party line
HE HAS ALWAYS SAID HE HAS DIFFERENT WAYS TO FULFILL HIS PROMISES & HIM BEING IN JAIL IS NOT GOING TO STOP THE PAYOUTS.
Kurt has always made a lot of noise and a great many promises, all of which have failed repeatedly to materialize.
Moogie practicing some more wishful thinking
NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN PAYOUTS HAPPEN, THIS WILL PROVE THERE WAS NO MAIL FRAUD TOO & THAT DOREAN WAS NO SCAM, WHICH MEANS THE PRINCIPALS WERE IMPRISONED WRONGFULLY.
Sure Moogs, just like Kurt wasn’t going to go to jail or that this wasn’t a fraud from beginning to end. Dorean WAS a FRAUD and a SCAM, Kurt was arrested, tried and convicted, and is currently a permanent resident of the Federal Penal System, where he will remain for the rest of his days. The last time I checked, ONLY a Federal Appeals court can reverse a Federal prison sentence, and that hasn’t happened, and isn’t likely to, and no nonsense he tries to pull off from a website, coming RSN, is going to change that one wit.
"Why do my eyes hurt?You've
never used them before."
Notarial said: The bank does not “TAKE” the promissory note as a deposit, it takes it in exchange for the money that is lent at the signing of the PN.
_______________________________
By statute, banks are not allowed to lend their own money. We've already had that discussion & I showed you the statute. You know as well as I, that NOTHING IS LENT AT THAT TIME. The bank issues a check 3 days later AFTER it took physical possession of the promissory note. Nothing is lent immediately after the promissory note is signed & taken. If you believe that, you are the one in looney land.
Within hours of receiving the promissory note it is assigned/sold to someone else so the original lender couldn't produce it even if they wanted to.
With possession of the promissory note, the lender is issued credits they need to BACK THE MONEY WIRED OR THE CHECK THEY SEND TO THE SELLER LATER.
Why do you think so many lenders have to MOTION the court to put into evidence a COPY of the note when they foreclose? It's because they no longer have the original promissory note.
Isn't it strange that when asked, MOST BANKS SAY THAT THE promissory notes WERE alledgedly lost? Banks aren't that inept, NOR WOULD THEY LOSE AN IMPORTANT ASSET IF THEY HAD IT IN THEIR POSSESSION. Banks don't usually lose the money you deposit in your checking account, do they?
Norarial Dissent said: I’m really curious Moogs, when you get this shrill and hysterical, do your eyes really bug out and your nostrils flare, and I’ll just bet your voice gets high and screechy too, and I’ll just bet you stamp your fee a lot.
_______________________________
No, I think you are just PROJECTING AGAIN. You know, looking for traits in others that you yourself possess. When you imagine these things, I believe you are just looking in the mirror after you read my post & assume that others act the way you do.
yo jug beans, i relly want to bleeve dat yo not really a crapt jugd like everynone else, but yo is makin' it real hard....woppps! i shunt say dat with yo, beecoss with yo it just bizness "in da end"...
yo put everynun else in jail fo steelin' a candy bar, an dis guy steels billins, an yo let him go free...?????
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NEW YORK - Prosecutors on Monday said disgraced financier Bernard Madoff violated bail conditions by mailing about $1 million worth of jewelry and other assets to relatives and should be jailed without bail.
“The defendant’s recent actions amount to obstruction of justice,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Marc Litt told a judge at a hearing in federal court in Manhattan.
U.S. District Magistrate Ronald Ellis asked the lawyers to submit written arguments and said he would rule later.
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Madoff’s lawyer, Ira Sorkin, described the items as heirlooms that included cufflinks and antique watches. He said they were not significant assets. The items were sent to Madoff’s children and to unidentified friends vacationing in Florida.
“We maintain it happened innocently,” Sorkin said. “He’s not a threat to the community and there’s no danger he’s going to flee.”
Madoff later left the courthouse, riding away in a silver sedan while surrounded by a swarm of cameras, and returning to his Upper East Side apartment.
The 70-year-old former Nasdaq stock market chairman was arrested Dec. 11 on securities fraud charges alleging he duped investors out of as much as $50 billion in a giant Ponzi scheme.
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The prosecutor told the judge the case against Madoff “is strong and getting stronger.”
Madoff, who owns yachts and mansions in New York’s Hamptons and Palm Beach, Fla., has been confined to his Manhattan apartment under house arrest.
Meanwhile in Washington, the internal watchdog at the Securities and Exchange Commission said Monday an investigation of the agency's failure to uncover the alleged $50 billion fraud will extend broadly to the agency's enforcement operations.
Inspector General H. David Kotz testified before a House panel examining the Madoff affair and the agency’s failure to act despite receiving complaints over a decade.
Kotz said his office’s probe will go beyond specific issues that SEC Chairman Christopher Cox asked him to investigate. He said that it also will examine the operations of the SEC’s enforcement and inspection divisions and will make recommendations.
At the start of the House hearing, Democrat Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania questioned whether congressional appropriations had provided the agency sufficient resources to do the job. From 1995 to 2007, the House was under Republican control.
“Clearly, our regulatory system ... failed miserably and we must rebuild it now,” said Kanjorski.
Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., pointed to regulatory gaps rather than the level of congressional appropriations as the reason for the Madoff scandal.
Bachus called for Congress to create a regulatory structure “for the 21st century.”
The heavy toll of the Madoff scandal was brought before Congress as the House Financial Services Committee tries to determine how, despite warnings back to at least 1999 to SEC staff members, Madoff continued to operate his alleged Ponzi scheme.
“I am a human face on this tragedy,” said Allan Goldstein, a retired New York textile distributor who planned to testify at Monday’s hearing.
Goldstein, 76, said he lost his entire life savings with Madoff and had to cash in his life insurance policies to cover his mortgage.
“Everything I worked for over a 50-year career is gone,” Goldstein said in an e-mail message from his attorney’s firm. He said he had no reason to question the steady returns of 8 percent to 12 percent a year that Madoff’s firm told him he was earning.
The Securities Investor Protection Corp. and the trustee handling the liquidation of Madoff’s firm said Monday they mailed more than 8,000 claim forms to customers on Friday. Besides individuals, others who lost money were big hedge funds, international banks and charities.
The SEC received complaints about Madoff’s investment methods over a decade.
Members of the House panel on both sides of the aisle said the episode with Madoff exposes systemic problems at the SEC.
The Madoff scandal is like “the cherry on a bad sundae,” said Rep. Paul Hodes, D-N.H.
Lawmakers jumped on the opportunity to show concern in the first congressional hearing since the scandal broke with Madoff’s arrest on Dec. 11.
Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., insisted that all five SEC commissioners should tender their resignations to President-elect Obama.
Yet Republicans warned against rushing to new regulation as a response to the SEC breakdown.
“While the failures of regulatory and private-sector due diligence exposed by the Madoff matter are obvious, they do not lead me to conclude at this stage of the inquiry that what is needed are broad new legislative or regulatory mandates on the rest of the securities industry,” said Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the senior Republican on the panel.
“What we may have in the Madoff case is not necessarily a lack of enforcement and oversight tools, but a failure to use them,” he said.
The Madoff scandal allegedly involves a Ponzi scheme, in which people are persuaded to invest in a fraudulent operation. The early investors are paid their returns out of money put in by later investors.
It is named after Charles Ponzi, an Italian immigrant to Boston who worked as a waiter, bank teller and nurse before he talked investors into sinking their money into a complex — and, it turned out, bogus — scheme involving postal currency. His swindle in 1919-20 cheated thousands of people out of $10 million. He was convicted of mail fraud and sent to prison and, in 1934, deported.
Moogey still trying to sell swamp gas
By statute, banks are not allowed to lend their own money.
Moogs, I just love it when you start off with a totally half assed, incredibly stupid, and downright wrong statement, it prepares me for the rest of the bilge to come.
You’re right, we’ve had this discussion before, and you lost then, and you lose now.
We’ll start with the easy one first. What statute???? Easy answer, since there isn’t one. And no, you haven’t shown me the statute, since there isn’t one.
Banks are not allowed to stand as sureties for someone, but they are, and always have been allowed, and by law, to lend money as a business.
There are lots of cases where courts have said banks cannot lend their institutional / personal / credit on behalf of someone (stand as surety), but curiously enough, not one that says they cannot lend money (make loans / offer lines of credit) as a part of their everyday ongoing business to either individuals or entities, based on the individual or entity's credit worthiness.
Moogey still trying to convince everyone that up is down
You know as well as I, that NOTHING IS LENT AT THAT TIME. The bank issues a check 3 days later AFTER it took physical possession of the promissory note.
Sure, Moogs, except for a little thing called the Federal Recission rule. They documents, both sets, the note and TD, and everything else, including the check are signed at closing, but they cannot be exercised for the three days, at which point either party can walk away from the deal. The check can’t be issued and the PN doesn’t belong to the lender until that three day period is up. At that point they are in escrow, which you would know if you actually knew what you were talking about. The PN and check don’t change hands UNTIL the three day period is up and then it is simultaneous. Sorry, cute theory, but as usual, oh so wrong.
Moogey exhibiting his true lack of knowledge
Within hours of receiving the promissory note it is assigned/sold to someone else so the original lender couldn't produce it even if they wanted to.
Oh, really, and you have proof of this?
Moogie blathering again
With possession of the promissory note, the lender is issued credits they need to BACK THE MONEY WIRED OR THE CHECK THEY SEND TO THE SELLER LATER.
This makes so little sense as to be barely worth trying to decipher. No Moogs, with possession of the PN, the lender has justification for issuing the funds they advance for the loan.
Moogie off on a tangent
Why do you think so many lenders have to MOTION the court to put into evidence a COPY of the note when they foreclose? It's because they no longer have the original promissory note.
This has exactly what to do with any of the other nonsense you have been spouting? If, and I say if, the lender enters a copy of the PN at the trial, they do so under the allowances by law, and before they can do so they have to issue an affidavit of loss and indemnity covering the PN, so the copy at that point stands in for the original, and when it is cancelled, so then is the original in the event it is later found. The assignments are the critical part, and if the forecloser cannot provide proof of assignment then they cannot proceed as has been proven in several court cases, but has nothing to do with your lame argument/excuse.
Moogie still trying to solidify that vapor
Isn't it strange that when asked, MOST BANKS SAY THAT THE promissory notes WERE alledgedly lost? Banks aren't that inept, NOR WOULD THEY LOSE AN IMPORTANT ASSET IF THEY HAD IT IN THEIR POSSESSION. Banks don't usually lose the money you deposit in your checking account, do they?
Again, you argue nonsense. Documents do get lost, but there is usually something to substantiate the claims. I have never been to a closing yet where the documents were not all complete and correct and present, and that everything that was involved was there. I have gotten not only the cancelled note, but the recorded cancellation as well back each time I have financed or refinanced something, so this like the rest of your arguments is just so much hokum.
Moogie ever oblivious
No, I think you are just PROJECTING AGAIN.
No just watching you screech in print, people who rant and use all caps lend themselves to that observation.
when yo hype payout, dun try to cheet on yo wiffy....lest she set yo weeny on fire!
OUUUUCCCHHHHHH!!!!!!
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SYDNEY (AFP) – An Australian woman who allegedly set fire to her husband's genitals because she believed he was having an affair appeared in court on a murder charge Monday.
After the fire spread through the family home, Rajini Narayan, 44, told neighbours she had only wanted to burn her husband's penis "so it belongs to me and no one else," prosecutors said.
"It's just his penis I wanted to burn, I didn't mean this to happen," she was quoted as saying, the Adelaide Advertiser reported.
Prosecutors said Narayan's engineer husband Satish was asleep in their double-storey Adelaide home when his wife doused his genitals with methylated spirit and set them on fire on December 8 last year.
The blaze spread when he jumped out of bed and knocked over the bottle of spirits, causing around a million dollars (700,000 US dollars) damage to the house and a neighbouring property, the court heard.
Narayan, 47, died in hospital last week.
His widow was remanded in custody until Friday, pending the results of a psychological assessment.
what else can be siad but:
LOLOLOLLLOO!!!!!!!
"...Rajini Narayan, 44, told neighbours she had only wanted to burn her husband's penis "so it belongs to me and no one else,"
yea, yo tell 'em...dun let anyone else take it frum yo....like jug beans, he mite try....
LOLOL!!!!
scratch crawfish say dat no hypes will payout until we reach da "age of aquraius"....well, den dat will hoppens this monts....like da sawng by da 9th dimsions say..... "wen da moon is in the 8th house, and mercury alings wit moss, den piss will roole da plants, and lub will roole da straits....dis is da dawning of da age of akwarius...ache of akwareeus....ackwarius....da..da..da...
The Sun moves from Capricorn and into Aquarius on the 20th of January. At the New Moon on the 26th, there will be a Solar Eclipse in Aquarius. New Solar Codes will be activated to assist the unfolding of the New Energy on the Earth. For personal meditation, the “Seeds of Light” that will activated on the 26th will be those for the New Golden Age of Aquarius. It will be a good time to work with the Golden Flame and the Golden Light of the Christ energy within to bring Higher Consciousness and the Manifestation of the New Age of Light to the Planet in an easy and gentle way.
Mercury goes retrograde on the 11th of January, so at this time, move gently and do not try to forge ahead. This is good advice for January as a whole. Allow the energies to integrate gently and do not try to bite off more than you can chew at this time. Allow yourself to be supported by the energy of Trust.
The powerful planet of Transformation, Pluto, continues its journey through the Earth sign of Capricorn as the power house of transformation on the physical plane. Saturn, the energy of Change and Restructuring, continues its journey through the Earth sign of Virgo, bringing change also to the way that you view your health and your physical being.
christians are not suppose to consult with asstraglers, but dose ho payout hypes do, so sumting will proble hoppens on deeese dates...
da sun in acaruis doesnt hoppens too often...not like da erth or da moon or even pluto gong around they obits....
da sun only moves into other constellsions only in thousand of years, so this is powerfuls...good or bad, but somting hoppens....
.....activated on the 26th will be those for the New Golden Age of Aquarius.
....we shall see...but fo dose ho are advanced, then they will take their hype payouts and it just a tool to pay bills to further their HS wisdom and knowledge knowing that the rapture is near....no question....isreel attacking gaza....sinagags around da world being attacked...
bible say dat the hole world aling demselfs against isreel..dis is happenieng now and portends of bad things happening...
this is not to say that isreel is not acting evil...they have been as they rejected jesus thous of years ago...the problem is it is not for christians to bring them to judgement...that is why bad things will hapen when the world cums against isreal...
in simple terms:
isrill is wrong (evil)...but they are right to be rawng (evil)...
make sense??? only if yo haf HS wisdom.
see, there is a hierarchy of evil and their gods are stronger than the evil gods that otehrs worship
so the erth is satans kingdom, but they have access to satan himself, not his minions or consiglieres, like in the mafia
so if you go agaisnt them, you are limited in the damgage that you can do wile they have unlimited power until jesus comes back.
they will use a 'scratched erth' policy...
ie., 'if we are gong down (to die), we will take everynone else with us'
ie., 'if we are gong down (to die), we will take everynone else with us'
satan has given them dis power.
intrasting statements from the da world riports from stroy:
"Details of such scamming have been dug up by investigators into horrendous ongoing property-related scams in Arizona linked to NAMED high-level criminalists, and separately began to emerge during a recent Cook County foreclosure, in which the Judge ordered the bank and the victim into the hallway to ‘work out a settlement’: evidently the Judge didn’t want the relevant information to be revealed in Court, probably because his name was on the list and he himself was implicated.
Literally thousands of companies are associated with this scamming operation, using Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. (MERS) as the transfer vehicle. In essence, these criminals, consisting of attorneys, judges, bankers and others, are simply transferring properties without the owners’ knowledge, prior to foreclosure, with most of the accounts in question found to be held with Fidelity Investments, we have been informed. The stolen property then becomes available as collateral for further fraudulent finance operations.
comments on da mortage frawd...in w/o doubt the longest report produced in a few years from stroy.
and as Stroy hisself states in this ed. of wruld riprots:
"In an interesting by-product of this development, certain Jewish foundations that have been wiped out or rendered useless in the New York area, had been financing revolutionary agitprop operations promoting homosexual marriage and the usual array of leftish Gramsci-tradition cultural revolutionary abominations designed to destroy what remains of Christian standards and culture, a key objective of angry, deluded Babylonian revolutionary Jews: the takedown of these people has put a stop to these activities in some instances.
more from Stroy:
"In case some people are still mystified as to why there is warfare among the Jews, may we remind you of the Editor’s old story about the nice lady who took pity on him when he was employed briefly with the merchant bank S. Japhet & Co., St Swithin’s Lane, in the City of London, in 1959. It was the time of the Eichmann trial. The middle-aged Jewish lady used to sit with your young correspondent occasionally in the canteen. To the Editor’s naïve question: ‘What’s this all about? Eichmann’s Jewish!’ the lady replied: ‘Didn’t you know? A Jew’s greatest enemy is another Jew?’
A Jew’s greatest enemy is another Jew?’
sumting dose with the HS alwasy new....
a true christian is incapable of harming a joo, even if he wanted to.
a christian cannot harm a joo physically, financially, etc.
he will just wine up gettng hisself killed trying.
anohter joo is anther story howver.
anther joo IS capable of harming anther joo.
they are eequals when it cums to dis, as they both worship da same god. lucifer
and lucy is da god of dis world.
why da wordls best layers are juice.
ho else can go into da court of baal and get yo off da hook???
only sumnone ho demselfs worships baal.
"...the high places of Baal" (jug beans coatroom)
the profit Baal always stood on hills so he cood look down on his peepls.
burly baals hyips????
Notarial Dissent said: I have gotten not only the cancelled note, but the recorded cancellation as well back each time I have financed or refinanced
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That shows nothing of value. That's like a car thief saving, I returned the car, so what's the problem? The car theif had use of the vehicle for the long time it was gone, and the benefit of driving the car and the utility of it. The car thief may have even made money on the car by leasing it out to someone else. Does the car thief owe more than just the car back? According to you, obviously not. LOL
"...da 450+ profits of Ball"
Correction: That's like the car theif SAYING:
Notarial: Your promissory note example reminds me of the gold brokers of old, that started issuing gold certificates to customers where the gold brokers had no backing of gold in their reserves either and the gold brokers did this only to increase their profits. The gold brokers knew that all of their clients would never come back to redeem their gold all at the same time.
The point being just because you get back what was yours doesn't mean there wasn't some hanky panky going on behind the scenes.
Notarial Dissent: It amazes me how you can justify conversion & theft & nondisclosure by your examples and believe at the same time, you've example is all encompassing to make your point. Sorry, no cookie for you.
aslo intasting is dat the knew pres is gong to name luca brasi as da no hed of the cia???
dis is unbleevable!!
an eye talian guy to hed da cia? what?
an they say dat he haf no esperiance?
maybe dats good!
he dunno ho to tawcher peeples.
mabye it take an eye talian guy to straten out dis crupt orgzntion.
afta all rome had da most civilsed society in hisotry.
(except fo they use of cruxion on crimnals)
lyon panetta he look like tony bennet
panetta = small bread in eye talian
pane = bread
mabye they shud let all the eye talians run thins..rome lasted 500 years and they cant do worse than all the other admintrations did.
even da mayfia was run better than the govt is.
"...da 450+ profits of Ball"
CORRECTION:
BALLs hyips never made anyone even 1 profit let along 450+ profits
mite ass well be burly baals hyips.....
jug beans, it seem like yo did dis beefo....vilated a defdants rites to a spedy tryal.....
January 6, 2009
Chicago, IL -- When Illinois Governor Blagojevich was arrested by the FBI in December, the country was quite stunned. The Governor was charged with trying to sell the US Senate seat vacated by Barack Obama.
According to the US Attorney's office, they had wire taps which allegedly recorded phone calls wherein, they claim, Blagojevich tried to illegally profit from his sole ability as Governor to appoint a senate replacement.
Immediately after the arrest, there was a firestorm of criticism and demands for the Governor to resign. He refused.
Later, there was talk that the Illinois state legislature would Impeach Blagojevich. Sources told me the Governor sent word to the legislature that if they tried to Impeach him, he would "rat them all out for the things he knows they've done."
No one ever publicly confirmed that threat, but strangely, we haven't seen any effort to impeach Blagojevich, have we? HMMMMMMM.
The Process
In order for law enforcement to arrest someone, one of two things MUST take place:
1) Law Enforcement actually witnesses a crime being committed, OR;
2) A Grand Jury Indicts a person and a Judge issues an Arrest Warrant.
If law enforcement neither witnesses a crime nor has an arrest warrant, they can still arrest someone and hold them on "suspicion" but for only 24 hours under state laws or up to 72 hours under federal laws. After 24 or 72 hours elapses, authorities MUST either charge or release the person. This protection is known as Habeas Corpus and the protection is rooted in our Constitution.
In the Blagojevich case, law enforcement claims to have witnessed (via wiretap) the commission of a crime. They made the arrest. They turned their evidence over to the US attorney and it is now up to that office to obtain an Indictment. Simple enough, right? Straight forward enough, right? Welllllllllll, not so fast. . . . .
Under our system, the government MUST obtain an indictment within a certain, limited period of time. This has to do with the Constitutional requirement which guarantees each American a "speedy and public trial." If an accused person is denied a speedy trial, the courts can, and do, dismiss cases because government violated the Constitutional guarantee of such speedy trials.
If the Indictment doesn't come in a speedy time frame, then the trial cannot come in a speedy time frame and . . . . . . case dismissed for lack of a speedy trial.
Here's where "the fix" has now been put in to make certain Blagojevich walks away scott-free.
The US Attorneys office has requested and has now been granted a 3 month extension to obtain an Indictment.
Chief Judge James Holderman granted the extension Monday, saying the case against Blagojevich is "too complex to expect prosecutors to obtain an indictment by a Jan. 7 deadline." He set an April 7 deadline instead.
Too complex? Who is he kidding? The FBI has a tape recording of the Governor trying to sell the US Senate seat. How complex is that? How hard is that to explain to a Grand Jury? Play the tape, the Grand Jury Indicts, a trial date is set. It's as simple as that.
The truth is, the case is not complex at all and it wouldn't be hard at all to explain it to a grand jury. Any rational person knows this to be true on its face. So what's really going on?
We get a better idea of what's really going on from the Judges additional remarks when he said: "the ends of justice served by the extension, outweigh the best interests of the public and the defendants to a speedy trial."
Justice outweighs the best interests of the public? Since when? Justice outweighs the defendant's speedy trial? Since when? Holy shit! If I hadn't read this with my own eyes from the Chicago Affiliate of FOX NEWS, I wouldn't have believed a judge would have balls enough to say such a thing.
Then, it hit me. The Judge has just guaranteed a violation of Blagojevich right to a speedy trial! Making matters even worse for the prosecution, the Judge openly, publicly announced his absolute DEFIANCE of the Constitution by claiming that some never-defined "ends of justice" somehow, some way, that nobody ever heard of, OUTWEIGHS the "best interests of the public. . . and the defendant!"
That statement is, in and of itself, "reversible error" which adds yet another reason to throw the whole case out. As a result of what this judge just did, I suspect we will watch Blago walk away scott-free.
You have just witnessed the slick, sleazy, in-our-face usurpation of the Constitution and the rule of law. You gotta hand it to these politicians and Judges; when they stick their finger in our eye, they do it in public, for all of us to see.
Looks like the people of Illinois, who have been working with me on our plans for a national "cleansing" of the corruption and filth in the federal government, need to buy more rope. It appears we have yet another federal Judge to add to the list of people who need to "swing."
Moogie of a roll, down the road of self delusion
That shows nothing of value. That's like a car thief saving, I returned the car, so what's the problem? The car theif had use of the vehicle for the long time it was gone, and the benefit of driving the car and the utility of it. The car thief may have even made money on the car by leasing it out to someone else. Does the car thief owe more than just the car back? According to you, obviously not.
Well, for a start is shows that the PN was with the mortgage docs, when you keep claiming it never is, and that the holder in due course had it, and that it was cancelled at pay off, and that it isn’t still out running around in your mythical universe where PN’s are used for something other than what they really are used for.
Moogie off on a rant
Notarial: Your promissory note example reminds me of the gold brokers of old, that started issuing gold certificates to customers where the gold brokers had no backing of gold in their reserves either and the gold brokers did this only to increase their profits. The gold brokers knew that all of their clients would never come back to redeem their gold all at the same time.
Oh, really. Since the one has nothing to do with the other, how very clever of you. Since banking has always been based on a variation of the principal you mention, it is nothing new, and the customers knew what they were getting into. PN’s, in and of themselves have no value, unless they are backed by one of two things, either the maker’s credit worthiness, or some pledge of property. During their existence they have value based, usually, on the installment repayment of the funds lent, and the surety behind it. When the funds are repaid they cease to have any value at all. Despite your delusions, a PN is nothing more than a formal promise to repay funds lent.
Moogie still trying to deceive himself
The point being just because you get back what was yours doesn't mean there wasn't some hanky panky going on behind the scenes.
Sure Moogs, like it being sold to a new owner, as is allowed in law and commerce??? You really do need to have your medications checked.
Moogie without a clue
Notarial Dissent: It amazes me how you can justify conversion & theft & nondisclosure by your examples and believe at the same time, you've example is all encompassing to make your point.
What truly continues to amaze me is your continuing babel about something you so obviously know nothing about. There can be no conversion where there is actual ownership. The PN belongs to the person or party it is made out to. There can be no theft when it is freely given. And there can be no nondisclosure when all of the terms are made plain in the loan documents and closing statements. It is you who don’t seem to have a clue here. But do keep on blathering Moogs, even a room full of monkeys eventually type a coherent statement, there is hope for you yet, but not much.
LLOLOLOLOO!!!!
(sorry! i cunt help it!)
Please check back in a few
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_ days
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_ when we have interstellar travel
as the Phase One website will be live soon...
The blather and self delusion eminates from the diseased land of the one eyed jackass and top levels of the crime syndicate. Sadly, evidence mounts that the ruin of the United States nation was the plan. The elite, their multiple overlapping crime syndicates, and scummy foreign relatinonships have preyed upon the US, likely to leave the nation gutted. The US Federal Reserve is aiding the process by draining the lifeblood money supply from the private sector, despite all talk of monetary inflation gone wild, or helicopters dropping money from the sky. All that talk seems a grand successful distraction. Chairman Bernanke’s job #1 was to supply blood into Wall Street firms like a vampire, after it drains blood from the body US Economic.Bernanke gained fame by claiming not letting it happen here in his writings, referring to central banks holding back the monetary spigot. Instead, he is very much indeed letting it happen here, the perfect hire to enable both consolidation of the Federal Reserve bank system, and their vast purchase of national assets after its economy implodes. It is deteriorating with frightening speed right now. Big financial firms are not too big to fail. Instead, their executives are too numerous to jail.The movement to have financial engineering lead the economic development proved a total disaster. Its capital investment turned out to be houses, shopping malls, and trading houses, each unproductive assets, rather than factories, mills, and processing plants, where value is added in an industrial sense. Economic counsel has been much more bent toward maintaining access for crime syndicates to the printing press, to place cohorts in regulatory bodies so as to permit the frauds, and to defend the established order. Private industry economic counselors have served much more as front men to cadres of strategists who cross the legal line so often that advancement in such firms as Goldman Sachs cannot come unless an ambitious young executive is under criminal investigation. A cancer has lodged itself in the Treasury Dept, having formed a potent crime syndicate. The great financial engineering experiment ruined the nation.Worse,those chief architects who destroyed the system have seized control of the money supply, the credit supply, and have dictated the solutions. Instead, they should be at best fired, at worst prosecuted, but certainly not be in the conference rooms or committee chambers making decisions. The media networks pump out compliant news and stories about a terrorist threat, 95% nonsense. The highest priority should be to dismantle the costly war emphasis, and to decentralize the news organizations. Instead the war has become sacred and will remain firmly in place. So will the heavy cost, wasted funds, ruined lives, destroyed equipment, motivated enemies, and alienated allies. Instead of investing in badly needed infrastructure in the US, the nation is investing in war, annexation of oil supply, and cover for narcotics trafficking that is worth between $350 and $400 billion in profit annually to a shady set of companies operating within and side by side with US security agencies and certain branches of the US ilitary.Goldman Sachs executives run the Dept of Treasury.Rubin was first under Clinton, and Paulson was the second under Bush II. Each destroyed the system, Rubin by kicking out the monetary foundation in gold and the industrial foundation in factories. The Strong Dollar Policy was a smokescreen to gut the nation of the gold in Fort Knox, which required counterfeit in the trillion$ by JPMorgan to suppress long-term rates. That suppression thereby destroyed the price structure for usury (money borrowed). A grand cascade effect took place across the entire US economy’s price structure. Then Paulson finished the destruction by gutting the system with bond fraud tied to mortgages. The housing bubble required a bond foundation, and its fraud depended heavily upon the Fannie Mae centrifuge, lax USFed oversight of credit, absent ratings agencies, and fraudulent Wall Street bond sales on a global scale. The nation will not overcome this credit disease until it stops generating new zombie money that is absent productive activity. So far, almost all rescue funds are directed to failed business models. Also, debt solutions cannot fix credit problems. The campaign to sustain the unsustainable is the greatest pitfall this society can stumble into, and the US is doing just that. If the trend continues, the failure of the entire USEconomy and US financial system is assured. That would invite a certain default of the USTreasury Bond, the dissolution of the US Govt, and the new rule by a Receivership Council. The Paulson & Bernanke actions and decisions are highly likely to induce such a pattern in order to succeed in forcing a heavy concentration of wealth in the hands of the elite few, while destroying wealth for the many. This has been the name of the game for the ages, even during times of world war. Their same strategy in the past few years has been to keep bank savings rate down by brute JPMorgan force in the futures markets, to encourage the public to invest in stocks, while banks offered near nil interest rates for savers, leading the entire system to chase higher yields loaded with hidden risks, as the bank leaders provided constant assurance. Bernanke, the bubbleheaded university ivory tower professor,has drained hundreds of billion$ from the private bank sector in order to sustain his Wall Street conmen friends, who actually give him orders.
“Among a people [whose institutions are] generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist.” – Edmund Burke
Sadly, evidence mounts that the ruin of the United States nation was the plan.
it was plan frum a very lawng time ago...satan planed it ova 2000 years ago for da nun world odor...
in fack a good atricle dat splains it all is here:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/tnsafe.htm
wah do it meens??
fernando venezoola boots out joo hambastor
CARACAS, Venezuela –
Venezuela ordered the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador and some embassy staff on Tuesday to protest Israel's military offensive in the Gaza Strip.
The decision by President Hugo Chavez, a longtime critic of U.S. and Israeli policy, to kick out the diplomats appeared to be the strongest reaction yet to the Gaza offensive by any country with ties to Israel.
Venezuela's Foreign Ministry announced the move in a statement, saying it "has decided to expel the Israeli ambassador and part of the personnel of the Israeli embassy."
The Israeli offensive in Gaza has killed nearly 600 Palestinians in ground and air strikes. Israel launched the attacks Dec. 27 to stop Palestinian militants from firing rockets into southern Israel.
Venezuela's Foreign Ministry said its U.N. mission is joining with other countries in demanding the Security Council "apply urgent and necessary measures to stop this invasion."
Officials could not immediately be reached at the Israeli Embassy in Caracas, which had closed by the time of the announcement.
Chavez earlier condemned the Israelis carrying out the military campaign as "murderers" and urged Jews in Venezuela to take a stand against the Israeli government.
"Now I hope that the Venezuelan Jewish community speaks out against this barbarism. Do it. Don't you strongly reject all acts of persecution?" Chavez said.
"How far will this barbarism go?," he said in an appearance on state television. "The president of Israel should be taken before an international court together with the president of the United States, if the world had any conscience."
While many countries have protested Israel's offensive, none so far have expelled the ambassador.
Mauritania, which established relations with Israel in 1999, called home its ambassador from the Jewish state on Monday.
Jordan and Egypt, the other two Arab nations with relations with Israel, summoned their Israeli ambassadors to protest the Gaza attacks, but they have resisted popular calls to expel them.
Chavez has long been critical of the Israeli government's policies in the Middle East and has supported the Palestinians' stance in the conflict.
During Israel's 2006 conflict in Lebanon, Chavez withdrew his top envoy from Israel, calling the bombings there "a new Holocaust."
In spite of its criticisms of Israel, Chavez's government has insisted it is friendly toward Jewish people.
Chavez met with Jewish leaders in August, pledging to work against anti-Semitism despite strong differences on Mideast politics.
Chavez's condemnations of Israel's offensive have grown gradually more severe in recent days.
He called on Israelis to "stand up against" their government. As for those leading the offensive in Gaza, he said, "they are cowards — bombing innocent people. What great soldiers they are, how brave the soldiers of Israel are."
Protests against the offensive have been held in Venezuela and other Latin American countries in recent days.
In Argentina, which has the third-largest Jewish population outside Israel as well as a sizable population of Arab descent, hundreds of people marched to the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires to call for an end to the offensive.
Brazil's government says it is sending 14 tons of medicine and food to the Gaza Strip. And in Bolivia, about a hundred Palestinians and Arabs marched to protest the violence.
it beecummin very obvous dat isreel has bin "set up' with dis war with gaza
they would never have lynched an attack like this.
its overkill.
they are being set up and will run into a buzz saw on this one.
its also obvious that there response is now being controlled by somenone on da inside of the IDF.
interesting?
the worlds preimier infiltraitors have demselfs bin infiltrated to cause an overreaction/overkill in gaza which will cause them intl rebuke.
da babel say... "i will gather all nations against yo..."
howver, it also say dat wen dis hoppens, like jug beans say: "da end is near"
start lookin' ↑
"...start lookin' up, yo redeemption draweth nigh.."
an i aint talkin' bout yo UCC redemtion eether!!!
altho thats probly close too!
only none ho will get yo throo all this is da HS.
noone else...foget bout it!!
only HS wisdom will let yo survive...not even having millions will help yo from whats cumming!!!
Notarial Dissent said: Well, for a start is shows that the PN was with the mortgage docs, when you keep claiming it never is,
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A thief might steal jewelry and use it for a while & put it back where he stole it for whatever resaons, and claim that it was always there the whole time undisturbed.
If something is stolen because people might be on to you, there might be a motivation to put it back, you think? LOL
Notarial Dissent said: "and the customers knew what they were getting into."
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No, in olden times, the people giving their gold to the gold brokers, didn't realize the scheme the gold brokers were doing trying to increase their profits by giving back bogus receipts when the gold brokers knew they didn't have enough gold to redeem all of those written receipts on demand.
PN’s, in and of themselves have no value, unless they are backed by one of two things, either the maker’s credit worthiness, or some pledge of property.
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I take it that you believe the government shouldn't bail out the 3 auto makers than, since there is no value in bailing them out & no reason to do so?
PN’s, in and of themselves have no value, unless they are backed by one of two things, either the maker’s credit worthiness, or some pledge of property.
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So you're saying that if a lender gives an unsecured loan to someone that has an extremely low FICO score, than it's impossible for the lender to get paid anything back because there is no value ever?
Notarial said: The PN belongs to the person or party it is made out to.
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Yea, a check forger uses the same argument for his justification!!! It's his because he's the payee and the check is signed.
So you think assignments are never challenged?
There can be no theft when it is freely given.
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You probably also believe that if a person gives another their power of attorney, that the one using the power of attorney can't steal too or abuse that power. AFTER ALL, THE POWER OF ATTORNEY WAS FREELY GIVEN!
Your general statements always have holes in them. LOL
Notarial said: there can be no nondisclosure when all of the terms are MADE PLAIN in the loan documents and closing statements.
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I think that's the real problem. All the terms aren't plainly given or divulged.
Was it plain to the creditor & to the debtor that XYZ collection company would be sueing the debtor years later for nonpayment? Was that disclosed who the collection agency would be in the loan documents & that the collection agency would have the same rights as the original creditor?
There's other examples of nondisclosure; that's only one.
Was it disclosed exactly where the funds were coming from on the alleged loan?
Was it disclosed that the lender intended & in fact was going to violate many truth in lending laws as their policy and standard practice in giving their predatory loan?
Or maybe you think that the financial crisis we have now, based upon this practice never happened?
Hey Mogel, HE DOESN"T GET IT AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL.
Notarial said: Well, for a start is shows that the PN was with the mortgage docs, when you keep claiming it never is, and that the holder in due course had it, and that it was cancelled at pay off, and that it isn’t still out running around in your mythical universe
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I didn't write this article, nor did the Dorean Group. This was written by an expert on what is really going on behind the scenes & the fraud & the deceit:
http://www.zimbio.com/
Future+In+Foreclosure/
articles/151/Negotiation
+Assignment+Promissory+
Note
The Negotiation and Assignment of The Promissory Note
EmailWritten by zanjani1 on Nov-18-08 11:08pm
From: loanaudit.wordpress.com
Below is a rather typical process wherein a promissory note is NEGOTIATED and the mortgage ASSIGNED.
Step 0 - Delivery of the Promissory Note to Corresonding Institution
[This step may be OMITTED in the instance that a mortgage is originated by the primary mortgage servicer actually funding the loan at the table]
The mortgage loan is closed in the name of a small correspondent mortgage lender making the loan pursuant to a written commitment by the corresponding lender to purchase the loan immediately after closing. The corresponding lender FUNDS the loan at the table, usually by wiring the funds for the loan to the closing agent, typically a real estate attorney or a title company (this practice varies across the country). The corresponding lender is funding the particular loan it has agreed to purchase and the purchase price of the loan is set forth in the written commitment.
At the closing the borrower — the mortgagor — executes the promissory note and a mortgage or deed of trust security instrument.
Immediately following the closing the deed (if a purchase) and mortgage or deed of trust are RECORDED in the county records.
The promissory note is immediately ENDORSED over to the correspondent lender with an endorsementby the closing lender “Pay To [Name of Corresponding Lender]” signed [person] [Title] [Name of Closing Lender (Mortgagee)]. This endorsement is typically UNDATED.
The smaller lender also executes a mortgage assignment (UNLESS the mortgagee is MERS) and this assignment is typically contemporaneously recorded together with the mortgage or deed of trust.
The ENDORSED promissory note is delivered by overnight courier to the corresponding institution.
NEGOTIATION of a Promissory Note under the UCC is by ENDORSEMENT and DELIVERY.
At the conclusion of step ZERO, the Corresponding Lender OWNS the loan and has custody of the promissory note. The originating lender has fully disposed of all of its interest and has delivered both the promissory note and a recorded mortgage or deed of trust and assignment of that instrument.
Step 1 - Delivery of the Promissory Note to the Warehousing Lender
Where there is NOT a small originator making the loan and the mortgage servicer makes the loan ITSELF, the process BEGINS HERE. In this instance, the borrower is the maker of a promissory note and the grantor of a mortgage or deed of trust in favor of the originating servicer instead of the smaller correspondent.
The Corresponding Lender typically funds these loans using a revolving “warehousing line of credit” with a commercial bank. The corresponding lender gives the warehousing bank a security interest in the loans it is funding. The warehousing bank therefor typically expects to HOLD the promissory note as collateral for this warehousing loan.
Accordingly, the Corresponding Lender ENDORSES THE PROMISSORY NOTE IN BLANK and forwards the actual promissory note to EITHER the warehousing bank OR forwards the promissory note to an Institutional CUSTODIAN. In either case, the Corresponding Lender remains the OWNER of the promissory note pending its sale to a mortgage investor and the warehousing bank is the holder of the promissory note, which serves as collateral for its loan to the Corresponding Lender.
Step 2 - Delivery of the Promissory Note to a Mortgage Investor
At this point in the process there are four rather distinct paths that the mortgage ownership may take.
Variant A - Portfolioing the Loan
If the corresponding lender is a depository institution, particularly a thift institution, the corresponding institution may elect toportfolio the loan. That is the lender may choose to hold the closed loan as an investment. But this is VERY UNUSUAL in the case of fixed rate mortgages. Usually, depository institutions are gathering liabilities — deposits — with fairly SHORT maturities (e.g. 6 month CDs, 1 Year CDs, 2 Year CDs). There exists a great deal of interest rate pricing peril in funding long term maturities with short term deposits. It is BETTER to fund an asset with liabilities which reprice at intervals similar to the interest rate repricing characteristics of the asset.
As a consequence, ONLY adjustable rate mortgages tend to be portfolioed. Everything else is SOLD. And many adjustable rate mortgages are sold, as well.
In a portfolio situation, the corresponding institution may very well be also funding its own loans WITHOUT a warehousing lender. In this circumstance, the promissory notes MAY remain in the vaults of the corresponding institution.
Variant B - Selling the Whole Loan To Another Depository Institution
A second variant is similar to the first, however, the corresponding lender may SELL the loan to another depository entity that desires to portfolio this loan. The sale may be either servicing retained or servicing released. When servicing is retained, there will be a servicing agreemetn between the seller and the purchaser. With the sale, the corresponding lender would either deliver the promissory note to the purchaser OR have the warehousing lender deliver the promissory note to the purchaser OR have the institutional custodian EITHER deliver the promissory note to the purchaser OR deliver a custodial receipt to the purchaser and continue to act as custodian for the new entity.
A mortgage assignment would also need to be executed. At one time, ALL such assignments would have been recorded, but this no longer seems to be the case. When MERS is the nominee, this somewhat obviates the need to RECORD the assignment, but it does NOT absolve the seller of the need to timely execute an assignment.
Variant C - Sale or Exchange of the Mortgage for MBS with a GSE
A third variant is the sale or exchange of the mortgage for mortgage backed securities to a GSE (FNMA or FHLMC). In this instance, the promissory note is delivered either by the corresponding lender, the warehousing lender or the institutional cusdian directly to either FNMA or FHLMC or their designated custodian. Again, the institutional custodian holding the promissory note for either the corresponding lender OR the warehousing lender may effect delivery by simply delivering a custodial receipt to the GSE and then continue to hold the promissory note as custodian for the GSE.
Again, this transaction requires a written mortgage assignment. This assignment is typically NOT recorded and the corresponding lender would usually continue to act as a servicer for FNMA or FHLMC. Neither FNMA nor FHLMC services its own mortgages. All sales or excchanges with either of these GSE involve servicing retained transactions. The seller has entered into a seller - servicers agrreement with FNMA and FHLMC.
With the SALE or exchange of the promissory note, either the GSE or a TRUST set up by the GSE is the owner of the promissory note. Usually an institutional cusdian is the holder of the promissory note. The seller-servicer would almost NEVER be the holder during the routine servicing of the mortgage loan.
Variant D - Sale or Exchange of the Mortgage To a Private Conduit
Each of the major Wall Street investment banking concerns operates its own “private conduit” to purchase mortgage product for securitization. The larger mortgage companies therefore typically sell some of their production directly to these private conduits.
The private conduits traditionally served as outlet for so-called non-conforming mortgage product. These used to be mostly jumbo mortgages in excess of the FNMA and FHLMC loan limits OR loans that otherwise did not meet FNMA and FHLMC underwriting standards.
The Subprime and Alt-A markets emerged as these Wall Street conduits developed a larger appetite for non-conforming mortgage product. As various petroleum exporting countries and national sovereign wealth funds accumulated dollars due to the balance of payments imbalance, these funds needed a place to INVEST their dollars. Wall Street encouraged them to invest in mortgage securities and mortgage derivatives. Wall Street also sold this paper to many commercial banks and various other institutional investors.
A sale to the private conduits tends to be a little different than the sale to the GSEs. The private conduits tended to work on an epic scale and therefore tended to only buy the production of larger enterprises. These enterprises often gathered and aggregated mortgage debt through both corresponding activities (Step 0) and whole loan purchases (Step 1, Variant B).
The larger entities typically SOLD their production to a bankruptcy remote corporate affiilate. For example, New Century Mortgage sold its production to NC Capital Corporation (The “A” to “B” transaction).
In turn, these aggregating affiiliates would accumulate a vast pool of mortgage debt and then sell it to a Wall Street aggregator. These aggregators tend to have names like “Morgan Stanley Mortgage Capital, Inc.” (the “B” to “C” transaction).
The Wall Street investment banking concern would then prepare a registration statement for a securitization. Most of the time, there was a preliminary registration statement and then a supplemental registration statement that had the specific detailed quantative information about the mortgages going into the pool.
Each of these trusts typically called for the Wall Street investment bank’s aggregator to act as the “depositor” for a trust that was stood up as of the closing date set forth in the registration statement. Upon that closing, the aggregator sold or exchanged the mortgages to the institutional trustee for the trust being created (e.g. Deutsche Bank).
Upon closing, the Wall Street aggregator would deliver the promissory notes OR the custodial receipts for these promissory notes to the institutional trustee (the “C” to “D” transaction). In turn, the institutional trustee would issue trust certificates with characteristics and rights as set forth in the trust indenture and the registration statement. The registration statement would also specify the identity of the institutional custodian and the master servicer. The institutional custodian would then hold the promissory notes and the master servicer would handle the borrower interactions, servicing these loans.
Note that in this variant, the ownership of the promissory notes shifts from A to B to C to D. Negotiation of a promissory note is by endoresment and delivery. Since ALL of the notes are endorsed in BLANK, negotiation is by PHYSICAL DELIVERY. So the promisssory notes OR custodial receipts evidencing and entitling the holder to custody rights must be transferred from A to B to C to D to effect this type of transaction.
Also, under the statutes of frauds of most states, a written assignment from A to B to C to D is also required.
The Location of the Promissory Note Under Routine Servicing
The vast bulk of new mortgage originations are handled using variants C (GSE) and D (private conduits). Note that in EITHER instance, the promissory note is NOT typically in the hands of the servicer. Neither is it in the hands of either the GSE or the institutional trustee. The promissory note is in the hands of the institutional custodian.
Because the promissory note is endorsed IN BLANK, it is a negotiable bearer intrument. It is like holding a BLANK CHECK (which is also a negotiable bearer instrument).
Accordingly, the institutional investors and the custodians GET NERVOUS about having these outside of their vaults.
When a Default and Foreclosure Take Place
When a mortgage goes into default (or when a servicer PRECIPITATES a default by fraud), the servicer typically orchestrates the foreclosure. But very often the servicer does this by engaging the servicers of national “foreclosure specialists”, such as Fidelity, FANDO, and or NDex. These institutional “foreclosure specialists” take charge and call the shots.
There is also some indication that some foreclosure specialists and/or servicers begin fabircating documents in support of the foreclosure.
Bear in mind that the Servicer is SELDOM the owner of the mortgage debt except in variant “A” or “B” where whole loan ARMs are held by depository institutions. (The portfolio loans are mostly Treasury Indexed or Cost of Funds Indexed. The LIBOR indexed ARMs are mostly for securitization and sale to foreign investors.)
As explained above, the servicer is also not typically the HOLDER of the promissory note.
But servicers are in a hurry to initiate foreclosure and rely upon the fact that most borrowers do NOT defend against the foreclosure suit. So the servicer never bothers to obtain the promissory note before initiating foreclosure.
Instead, they simply rely upon fabricated documents and false and perjured affidavits as evidence in their premature foreclosures.
Federal standing rules require that a plaintiff have a pecuniary interest in the subject matter of the suit.
The Promissory Note as Evidence
One of the problems presented by this process is that even when a plaintiff appears in court with a promissory note, the promissory does NOT actually show WHEN a particular entity came into ownership OR custody of the promissory note.
As explained above, ENDORSEMENT — like your endorsement on a check — is UNDATED. And there is NO INDICATION on the promissory note as to the date of DELIVERY or of any negotiation or exchange of the promissory note by DELIVERY of the promisrry note endorsed in BLANK.
Once upon a time, many whole loan assignments were RECORDED. Moreover, the GSEs were pretty good about INSISTING that mortgages sold to the GSEs were assigned in favor of the GSEs, even if this assignment was never recorded.
But in the rush to securitization, the subprime lenders and the Wall Street investment banking concerns GOT GREEDY and cut a few corners. One of the corners they often cut was the creation of contemporaneous A to B, B to C and C to D assignments.
While the ENDORSEMENTS were UNDATED, the assignments traditionally were not only DATED, but also NOTARIZED to assure that the assignment was eligible for recording in the public land records for a county. So the assignment has often been the BEST EVIDENCE as to the date that a transaction took place.
But when the assignment was NOT properly executed, the mortgage investor is WITHOUT good evidence as to the DATE each transaction took place.
To overcome this problem, some mortgage servicers, “foreclosure specialists” and/or their law firms have been engaging in fabrication of assignments to use in support of their foreclosure suits. These fabrications can be readily identified and PROVEN by those experienced in mortgage practice.
Aggressive discovery is a big help in detecting and PROVING evidence fabrication.
Who Owns the Promissory Note and Who Owns the Securities?
The question as to WHO owns the promissory note is one that actually doesn’t necessarily have to be answered, though you need to aggressively press for an answer in discovery. It is the PLAINTIFF’s burden of proof to demonstrate standing and authority to institute the foreclosure suit.
You need to learn the identity of the holder primarily to DEFEAT the allegations and assertions of the plaintiff.
The owenrship of the underlying mortgage securities is COMPLETELY irrelevant. Owners of the mortgage securities issued by a trust do NOT have the authority to foreclose. The institutional trustee acts on behalf of the holders of the trust certificates. That is how a trust works. But the trust cannot act without proving that it is either the owner or the holder of the promissory note.
Bear in mind that the institutional custodian typically has the promissory note. The servicer is orchestrating the foreclosure, usually through a foreclosure specialist. The institutional trustee acting on behalf of the mortgage trust is very passive in this process EXCEPT as regards interactions with the certificate holders. The institutional trustee is usually the owner. The custodian is theholder. The sevicer is neither the owner nor the holder.
In a contested foreclosure case, the servicer will usually ultimately locate and obtain the promissory note. But this usually doesn’t happen until AFTER the institution of the suit. The servicer will then seek to use fabricated evidence or perjured affidavits to PROVE that it was the holder at the institution of the suit.
Similarly, the servicer often causes the creation of a fabricated assignment.
Aggressive discovery can often PROVE that allegations made in the servicer’s pleadings are false, that affidavits contain false and perjured statements and that evidence presented to the court has been fabricated.
So Notarial Dissent, if the original lender had the promissory note all along, why would the servicer often CAUSE THE CREATION OF A FABRICATED ASSIGNMENT as the article says?
So was this rather complicated path of the promissory note also in detail, fully disclosed in the original loan documents that the borrower signed ?
Obviously not!!!!
Your full disclosure statement is a myth. As long as there are material things left out of the agreements, than fraud by deceit exists on the part of the lender.
"The promissory note is IMMEDIATELY ENDORSED over to the correspondent lender with an endorsementby the closing lender “Pay To [Name of Corresponding Lender]” signed [person] [Title] [Name of Closing Lender (Mortgagee)]. This endorsement is typically UNDATED."
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The originating lender wastes no time in getting value out of the promissory note. Did you see the word, IMMEDIATELY?
Financial people have to learn that they cannot play with people’s lives and always just walk away. When these nerds destroy markets they destroy thousands of people’s savings, most often without cause or reason.
Sonja Kohn may be literally running for her life.
The woman once known here as "Austria’s woman on Wall Street" has disappeared. Kohn collected more than $2 billion from rich investors in Russia and across Europe for Bernard Madoff through her firm, Bank Medici. Touting her connections, she promised investors entrée to bigger fish in the finance world, including Madoff. Some say it’s not out of the question that she’s hiding from Russian clients (do we dare say, perhaps, the Russian mob?) who trusted her with their cash and have had their wallets hit even harder by the Russian stock market and plummeting commodity prices.
these 'pansy' sceems have got a lot of fools ova da yars...even me.
i think dat a lot of deeze schems was plain called: HYIPs
wheres burly baal???
And Moogie is off on another blither
A thief might steal jewelry and use it for a while & put it back where he stole it for whatever resaons, and claim that it was always there the whole time undisturbed.
Not the stupidest analogy you’ve ever tried to misuse, but right up there. You can’t have it both ways Moogs, either the PN is always gone, or it isn’t, which is it? I tell you that it is returned and you come up with yet another excuse.
And Moogie’s off in outer weirdom yet again
I take it that you believe the government shouldn't bail out the 3 auto makers than, since there is no value in bailing them out & no reason to do so?
And this has exactly what to do with anything??? I have no idea what strings are or will be attached, but I am sure there will be some, just as there were for the banks. Still irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
more Moogie on a tangent
So you're saying that if a lender gives an unsecured loan to someone that has an extremely low FICO score, than it's impossible for the lender to get paid anything back because there is no value ever?
Duh!!!!!!! It certainly could happen, that is why they are called “unsecured” loans after all, and are done contractually instead of by PN for the most part. Why get a PN when a loan agreement will work better and spells out the obligations on both sides.
yet more Moogie nonsense
Yea, a check forger uses the same argument for his justification!!! It's his because he's the payee and the check is signed.
So you think assignments are never challenged?
Forging a check has zero relativity to a PN in the normal course of business. So unless you are now claiming someone is going around forging PN’s, this is lame drivel and reaching for an excuse, even for you. Assignments are challenged when there is no valid documentation of an assignment, your point being?
Moogs still beating at dead equines
You probably also believe that if a person gives another their power of attorney, that the one using the power of attorney can't steal too or abuse that power. AFTER ALL, THE POWER OF ATTORNEY WAS FREELY GIVEN!
Apples and oranges. There is always a potential for abuse when someone is given authority to act for another, that is why we have fraud laws, Moogs, but since a POA and PN are nowise similar, or even remotely the same category of instrument, your attempt at justification of your nonsense, as usual is useless.
and now Moogs is really out in the weeds of self delusion
Was it plain to the creditor & to the debtor that XYZ collection company would be sueing the debtor years later for nonpayment?
Try reading the little bits in the loan documents about assignment and about what happens if the loan goes in to default, and then try reading the little bits in property and collection law concerning what happens in default. Sorry to break it to you Moogs, but there is no legal requirement that minute detail of who is going to collect on a debt be included in the loan documents, since it is already covered under property and collection law. Really lame attempt there.
Moogs still beating the aforementioned dead equine
Was it disclosed exactly where the funds were coming from on the alleged loan?
Was it disclosed that the lender intended & in fact was going to violate many truth in lending laws as their policy and standard practice in giving their predatory loan?
Again, nonsense. The money came from the lender, as agreed upon in the loan documents, what pocket it came out of is totally irrelevant to the loan transaction. The lender provided the funds the borrower requested, that is what the loan agreement spells out.
As to the rest of your panegyric, that is why there is a three day recission period and that it is specifically suggested you have your own attorney look over the documents before closing. If the borrower feels that there were lending violations in the loan process, that is what the courts and AG consumer protection units are for, and again has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Moogie back stepping
I didn't write this article, nor did the Dorean Group. This was written by an expert on what is really going on behind the scenes & the fraud & the deceit:
Strange then, because you keep harping at it like you knew it to be gospel.
Moogie’s latest pipe dream
over long, poorly written, and researched agenda piece snipped for lack of value
So you’ve just now come across this???? While parts of the foregoing may be true in some cases, in the main it is not. What you and the “author”, and I use the term loosely, seem to be oblivious to, is that there is no legal restriction on a “servicer” taking action upon default, and that in the main the servicer is acting as agent for the beneficial owner, and so has all the authority and power that the owner of the note has. What the “author” tries to advance is that the servicer does not have the actual documentation when they go in to court, when in fact they generally do. There are and have been cases where the chain of title had not been maintained and the actions were, and rightly so, dismissed. This is the exception rather than the rule for the simple reason that it does not occur all that often. All this blather aside, it does change the fact that the borrower is in default when the matter goes to court. So despite all your twisting and prevarication, this fact remains.
Slap a patch on the other eye,might improve your vision. An education will get you past blather.
Notarial said: You can’t have it both ways Moogs, either the PN is always gone, or it isn’t, which is it? I tell you that it is returned and you come up with yet another excuse.
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Excuse? Maybe not. Wasn't it you that said: "When the funds are repaid they ( the promissory note) cease to have any value at all."
So returning something that has no value at that point in time, is really nothing to brag about? I steal your car & wreck it & return it to you when it doesn't run anymore, are you impressed? So why should I be impressed by your example of the promissory note finally coming back to it's rightful owner when it has no value at that point?
During the travel of the promissory note from the start until that time, obviously the PN does have value because IMMEDIATELY after it is signed, it is taken & sent/transferred/sold to the "corresponding lender" as the article said.
Notarial said: The money came from the lender, as agreed upon in the loan documents, what pocket it came out of is totally irrelevant to the loan transaction.
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If two separate parties agree that this is the way the lender should operate, it doesn't necessarily mean that the loan transaction happened that way. Contrary to your nonsense, it is relevant what pocket the money to loan, came from!
If the lender used an asset (my promissory note) to come up with the funds to loan, he couldn't have done without the use of the promissory note, it is extremely relevant, & really the core of the discussion.
I didn't go to the lender for him to reach into my pocket, steal and use an asset, my asset, and convert the PN through an endorsement immediately, and than return the value of the asset back to me through issuance of a check & than have the lender call what he did, a loan. If that is what was done, the money didn't come from the lender.
Use something of mine without disclosing you are getting utility out of something that is mine without my knowledge, is called conversion or unjust enrichment.
If I steal monies from you & then lend you back YOUR OWN MONIES, did you get a loan? Or was I just clever enough where you couldn't detect my theft because you couldn't see what I did? Obviously in this example, the monies came from you, the borrower, not the lender.
mogel said...
"If I steal monies from you & then lend you back YOUR OWN MONIES, did you get a loan? Or was I just clever enough where you couldn't detect my theft because you couldn't see what I did? Obviously in this example, the monies came from you, the borrower, not the lender."
Mogel, you just summed it up in one paragraph and yet the imbisul can't grasp it...a few years later. I find that hillarious but in a way sad.
Unless this person is posing as a disgruntled client and is really a plant...very possible.
Unless this person is posing as a disgruntled client and is really a plant...very possible.
....yea, dying ponsettas....crissmas is ova.
Hey doc, i never thought of it that way...nice play on words there:)
But you know, the Bible does describe these dead 'plants':
Jude 1:11-13
11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, TWICE DEAD, PLCUKED UP BY THE ROOTS;
13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
WOW! Go back and look at verse 4:
Jude 1:4
4For there are certain men CREPT IN UNAWARES (plant), who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
So we were both right in our word definition, weren't we? ;-)
You know who you are, and the Word of G-d describes who you are.
habakkuk said...
Hey doc, i never thought of it that way...nice play on words there:)
well, yo no dat fo sum time now dat i bin tring to kepp thins lite roun' hay....butt it aint eesy...
But you know, the Bible does describe these dead 'plants':
as far as spys go, yeah yo gotta watch out for everynun and paster too...even jimmy noone cant bee trusted nowadays.
da babel oslo say to not turst anynone:
"dont let yo rite hand no wah yo left hand is doon; not even yo wife"
yo realy cant trust anynone now, not even yo brother, sister, wiff, huzbin, mudder, fodder, uncle, ant, noone.
yo must operate as if everynun an paster were unda suspishin...in hte lawng run, da HS will sort them out and bring doze that HS want togeterh thru trials and tribulsions..
cozz when satan wanna set yo up, ho he gonna yooze?
he first gonna fine out ho yo trust, den he will get to them first to set yo up.
if yo only trust da HS, then yo dun haf to worry...the HS will never set yo up. and da HS will also make yo sumwhat esp, so dat if they is tring to set yo up, yo can see it cumming from a mile....just like jug beans always see it cumming from behind in 'da end'....corse he like it dat way!
just like a stranger cant scam yo beecoss yo dont turst him....yo gonna let a strangler borry $1000 frum yo?
but yo will let yo brother borry da doolas and then he dont pay yo back?
why? beecoss yo trust yo brother.
now dis aint yo BIC, but yo fiscal brudder.
bic/ brother in christ
LOL
SSDD
Round and round it goes.
That site up yet?
http://www.thedoreangroup.net/
Nah.
Where is my surprised face?
....keepin' it lite....
TOP 8 IDIOTS OF 2008
Number 1 Idiot of 2008
I am a medical student currently doing a rotation in toxicology at the
Poison control center.
Today, this woman called in very upset because she caught her little
Daughter eating ants.
I quickly reassured her that the ants are not harmful and there would be
No need to bring her daughter into the hospital.
She calmed down and at the end of the conversation happened to mention that
She gave her daughter some ant poison to eat in order to kill the ants.
I told her that she better bring her daughter into the emergency room right
Away.
Here's your sign, lady. Wear it with pride.
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Number Two Idiot of 2008
Early this year, some Boeing employees on the airfield decided to steal a life raft from one of the 747s.
They were successful in getting it out of the plane and home. Shortly after they took it for a float on the river, they noticed a Coast Guard helicopter coming toward them. It turned out that the chopper was homing in on the emergency locator beacon that activated when the raft was inflated.
They are no longer employed at Boeing.
Here's your sign, guys. Don't get it wet; the paint might run.
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Number Three Idiot of 2008
A man, wanting to rob a downtown Bank of America , walked into the Branch and wrote this, 'Put all your muny in this bag.'
While standing in line, waiting to give his note to the teller, he began to worry that someone had seen him write the note and might call the police before he reached the teller's window.
So he left the Bank of America and crossed the street to the Wells Fargo Bank.
After waiting a few minutes in line, he handed his note to the Wells Fargo teller.
She read it and, surmising from his spelling errors that he wasn't the brightest light in the harbor, told him that she could not accept his stickup note because it was written on a Bank of America deposit slip and that he would either have to fill out a Wells Fargo deposit slip or go back to Bank of America. Looking somewhat defeated, the man said, 'OK' and
Left.
He was arrested a few minutes later, as he was waiting in line back at Bank of America .
Don't bother with this guy's sign. He probably couldn't read it anyway.
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Number Four Idiot of 2008
A motorist was unknowingly caught in an automated speed trap that measured his speed using radar and photographed his car.
He later received in the mail a ticket for $40 and a photo of his car.
Instead of payment, he sent the police department a photograph of $40. Several days later, he received a letter from the police that contained another picture, this time of handcuffs. He immediately mailed in his $40.
Wise guy...... But you still get a sign
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Number Five Idiot of 2008
A guy walked into a little corner store with a shotgun and demanded all of the cash from the cash drawer. After the cashier put the cash in a bag, the robber saw a bottle of Scotch that he wanted behind the counter on the shelf. He told the cashier to put it in the bag as well, but the cashier refused and said, 'Because I don't believe you are over 21.'
The robber said he was, but the clerk still refused to give it to him because she didn't believe him. At this point, the robber took his driver's license out of his wallet and gave it to the clerk. The clerk looked it over and agreed that the man was in fact over 21 and he put the Scotch in the bag.
The robber then ran from the store with his loot. The cashier promptly called the police and gave the name and address of the robber that he got off the license. They arrested the robber two hours later.
This guy definitely needs a sign.
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Idiot Number Six of 2008
A pair of Michigan robbers entered a record shop nervously waving revolvers. The first one shouted, 'Nobody move!' When his partner moved, the startled first bandit shot him. This guy doesn't even deserve a sign
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Idiot Number Seven of 2008
Arkansas : Seems this guy wanted some beer pretty badly. He decided that he'd just throw a cinder block through a liquor store window, grab some booze, and run.
He lifted the cinder block and heaved it over his head at the window. The cinder block bounced back knocking him unconscious. It seems the liquor
Store window was made of Plexi-Glass. The whole event was caught on videotape.
Yep, here's your sign
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Idiot Number Eight of 2008
I live in a semi-rural area. ( Weyauwega , Wisconsin )
We recently had a new neighbor call the local township administrative office to request the removal of the Deer Crossing sign on our road.
The reason: 'Too many deer are being hit by cars out here! I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing anymore.
even jug beans in they sumwheres...think it was da bank rubber with the wrong note...
cast out the beam in
lest they call jug alslop an he haf ta cast out da 1147.3457 demons from yo.
hay we are ticking about burly baals hypes paying out and the world titters on the brink of anther false flak attack:
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Thursday, January 8, 2008
From Ken-Welch.Com to All Lists:
SECOND WAR WARNING:
PERSIAN GULF/MIDDLE EAST
As they sometimes say in Houston, "How did our oil end up under their sand?"
Three years behind schedule, the U.S. is about to rectify this mistake. A false-flag nuclear attack somewhere in the Middle East is imminent, and information just in suggests that either Friday or Saturday, January 9-10, is the currently scheduled D-Day.
We published an initial report about this operation six weeks ago, but the Mumbai fiasco put the plan on hold. When that appeared to be taken care of we issued our first War Warning on December 26. Two days later, Israel kicked off the underlying deception that will support the false-flag events by attacking Gaza. This is amazingly similar to the Armageddon Plot (using Lebanon) that we reported on extensively two years ago.
During the last ten days a flood of new information obtained via reversed speech has confirmed that U.S. forces have a green light to initiate their version of Armageddon, a nuclear attack on Iran in response to nuclear events created by covert U.S. operations.
I am working now to get this new information into a presentable form, and will have a report posted by tomorrow morning (hopefully before the action starts). This will include audio clips with reversed speech you can hear for yourself. The link to the report will be prominently displayed on our Project Central page:
http://www.ken-welch.com/Central.html
Remember, we report on current intentions. This is not the same as predicting or promising a future event.
One detail has changed since our earlier warning. The missile that will be used to initiate events has been set for an air burst over the target. This suggests that our conclusion it could be an anti-ship missile is most likely wrong. Obama's understanding of heavy Navy losses (see report above) is thus more likely related to flight personnel attempting to breach Iranian defenses, and naval units trapped within the confines of the Persian Gulf once the war actually starts.
Although it's target remains unclear, we know that the false-flag missile will be launched from the deck of a "civilian" ship. Needless to say, whatever you see on TV about its origin or flight path will likely be fiction. Previous plans which did not come to fruition included one or two nuclear detonations in Iraq to re-pacify the country and insure that U.S. forces could remain as long as they wish. The public will be told that these were caused by Iranian rockets, perhaps badly aimed, but in fact they will be small nukes already hidden in place.
IF YOU ARE ANYWHERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST YOU SHOULD BE LOCATING A NEARBY PLACE OF SAFETY UNDER GROUND. DO THIS NOW. BE PREPARED TO GO THERE IMMEDIATELY AT THE FIRST SIGN OF UNUSUAL EVENTS.
www.ken-welch.com/Msg90108.html
Ken Welch
Houston
Beast is loose.
The Anti Defemation League expressed outrage at the Mumbai ‘terrorist’ attacks that “targeted innocent victims because they were Jews.” Abraham Foxman, ADL Director, issued the following statement.
“This brutal attack once again shows that terrorists single out Jews. The attack is a reminder that the world must stand up against all terrorism, because in the end no one is safe until terrorism is combated in all its manifestations.”Well of course Jews like Foxman use the Mumbai incident as an opportunity to promote the ‘war on terror.’ Once again, Muslims are made the ‘enemies’ of all mankind, rather than the Zionist Jews, who are engaged in ethnic cleansing of Arab Muslims & Christians in Palestine and responsible for world wide chaos since the inception of their rogue state of Israel.The ‘terrorist’ attacks in Mumbai will be used by Zionist Jews as justification for a US invasion of Pakistan, yet another ‘enemy’ of Israel. The Mumbai operation was too sophisticated for the alleged Deccan Mujahideen to carry out, which, according to the FBI, “e-mailed news organizations on Thursday claiming it had carried out the attacks.” (Great proof, you sleuths!)The initial firing began at the Chabad/Nariman House, an easy access for Mossad operatives. Hindus of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels saying that for two years suspicious activities were taking place in the Chabad/Nariman House, raising concern regarding Israel’s involvement in the Hindutva Revolution, the current opposition government.Israeli counter terroism assistance has mobilized since 2000 in the Jammu and Kashmir areas of India, where the Indian government has been pursuing a ‘security’ issue with regard to the Kashmiri people. In 2000, The Times Of India reported on the Israeli presence in India.
“Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi’s security needs.The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official.” The Israelis were asked to determine the areas in which Israel could offer assistance to help reduce the incidence of terrorist incursions into Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan. It was agreed that Israeli assistance would include “information transfers, instruction in operational methods, and the sale of equipment.” Home Minister Advani already visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated for “closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters.” Much of his time in Israel was spent learning about counter-terrorism techniques from the heads of the Mossad.The Jewish-controlled media has been spewing the lie that a massive intelligence failure by Indian security agencies occurred — despite reports that Indian authorities had been aware of rumors of an impending attack, including even the mention of the Taj Mahal Hotel.
http://www.azm.org/India.doc.
htt://wwww.asiaobserver.com
And Moogie is off and running again
So why should I be impressed by your example of the promissory note finally coming back to it's rightful owner when it has no value at that point?
Because you keep claiming it is never returned, and yet now you are saying it is, which is it Moogs, not even a good try at misdirection this time, must be because the whole lame argument is getting too thin even for you to carry.
Incidently, the PN belongs to the person it was made out to, the maker only get it back when the debt has been satisfied/cancelled as verification of it’s having been satisfied.
Moogie restates the obvious like he has just made a new discovery
During the travel of the promissory note from the start until that time, obviously the PN does have value because IMMEDIATELY after it is signed, it is taken & sent/transferred/sold to the "corresponding lender" as the article said.
Yes, based on the promise of interest and repayment of the funds lent.
Moogies tries rewriting what actually happens
If two separate parties agree that this is the way the lender should operate, it doesn't necessarily mean that the loan transaction happened that way. Contrary to your nonsense, it is relevant what pocket the money to loan, came from!
This makes even less sense than you usually manage to lose. The terms of the load are included in the loan agreement, and there is no relevance as to where the money comes from in any event. Funds were made available in consideration of the PN and the TD, that is the basis of the agreement.
mroe Moogie blither
If the lender used an asset (my promissory note) to come up with the funds to loan, he couldn't have done without the use of the promissory note, it is extremely relevant, & really the core of the discussion.
Already been through this nonsense, since the lender DOES NOT have possession of the PN prior to completion of the loan process this argument is truly specious. Under current law, the lender does not get possession of the PN until the borrower gets their funding.
Moogie oblivious as ever
I didn't go to the lender for him to reach into my pocket, steal and use an asset, my asset, and convert the PN through an endorsement immediately, and than return the value of the asset back to me through issuance of a check & than have the lender call what he did, a loan. If that is what was done, the money didn't come from the lender.
No, you went to the lender to borrow money. The PN, is not YOUR asset, in you hands it has no value whatsoever. When made to the lender, it becomes your liability as you have now made a promise to repay the funds recited in the PN, it becomes an asset of the lender based upon you promise to repay the funds extended to you. As previously stated, since the lender does not get the PN until they give the funds over to the borrower, your argument is quite simply nonsense. You come up with a lot of ifs, and all of them nonsense.
The story of your pathetic life Moogs, if and if and if and if, except you have no basis of reality for any of them, and you refusal to acknowledge how the process really works just points to your generally pathetic state of existence.
Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it.
Stephen Vizinczey
Notarial said: Under current law, the lender does not get possession of the PN until the borrower gets their funding.
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You'll have to show me the law there.
What you say is against current practice and against the article I posted. Remember the word "IMMEDIATELY" in the article, the PN leaves & goes to the corresponding lender.
I never said the original PN didn't come back when the debt is paid off. You assumed I said that.
"there is no relevance as to where the money comes from in any event."
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So said the MONEY LAUNDERER! LOL
So said the thief? LOL
So said anyone that has something to hide. LOL
Funds were made available in consideration of the PN and the TD, that is the basis of the agreement.
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You totally missed my point! You can't have it both ways, you can't say "it's irrelevant where the funds came from" as if you don't even know or don't care to prove where the funds came from & than CHANGE it to say, and back peddle, as if you've established the fact as an important issue that "funds were made available in consideration of the PN." You're the one that keeps changing the basis of your arguments. Funds didn't come as consideration of the PN if the PN was misused. That was my point.
I think the intent of the law is very clear that it's important where funds come from. Isn't that the basis of the Patriot Act, or at least what we're told. They don't want money going to terrorists or coming from terrorists, so money is monitored. Banks/lenders obviously care where funds come from, whether they are clean funds and not funds from drugs or illegal activities, except when they are stealing from their clients through the loan process.
If the government loans money for terrorists activities, or to further a war like the one in Nicaragura years ago, are you going to say again,
"it doesn't matter where the money comes from, just as long as you got the funds"? You must have missed the Oliver North hearings. I don't think that argument was used than, "it is irrelevant where the source of the funds are coming from." Seems to me that just would have been an admittance of wrong doings or some form of rationalization or justification.
Even Nixon was adamant he had done nothing wrong in the Watergate probe. He ordered a break in of a building, stealing of documents & other embarassing activities, and lied & justified his activities, as if he was above the law saying: "When the President does it, it's not wrong." It almost sounds like what the banks/lender do: "When they steal & get something for nothing, it's legal or all right." It's almost like saying some are above the law, or some are somehow privileged due to their status. Kind of reminds of a car sticker I once saw: "Don't steal, the banks don't like the competition."
in you hands it has no value whatsoever. When made to the lender, it becomes your liability
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So said the thief. That's why I took it from you, and it's OK, since you didn't recognize it's value. LOL
The PN, is not YOUR asset, in you hands it has no value whatsoever.
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There you go again, contradicting yourself again. First you say "their was consideration for the promissory note" indicating that the asset IS THE borrowers originally, otherwise, there could be no consideration given. Than, you say, the PN is not YOUR ASSET. Which is it?
If the promissory note IMMEDIATELY LEAVES as the article says, than there was no consideration as you say, since consideration was given 3 days later after the paperwork was all signed, so the asset is still owned by the borrower, yet it leaves or is assigned to a "corresponding lender" for immediate consideration or value.
Then you say, the PN has no value in the hands of the borrower. Obviously it does have value irregardless of who's hands it's in, if it can be sold/assigned for money. That's like saying an asset has no value until it's sold by the Seller & delivered to someone else, which makes no sense.
You're saying the asset suddently has value when it's delivered or stolen?
I think I've heard that argument before when my sister stole my brothers guitar. Her response was when getting reprimanded & caught: "Well you weren't using it and I needed a guitar for my guitar lessons." LOL
Lying & stealing, contradictions, & rationalizations sure go hand & hand, don't they? You don't have one without the others. You prove that by your own words, rationalizations & flimsey arguments.
Mogel, i don't think he actually counted on someone paying attention to his non-sensical babel
The battle continues between the USCongress and the USFed/Treasury duo of darkness for proper disclosure of the $700 billion in TARP bailout funds. Financial institutions have been receiving funds in total darkness, most likely Wall Street and cohorts(ie Notorial Dissent). One should suspect a high degree of corruption. Bank executives will soon be brought before the toothless inept compromised Congress, and its babbling committees.At issue also is objection by the Dept Treasury to a plan introduced by FDIC Chairwoman Sheila Bair, which would use $24.4 billion of the bailout fund to assist lenders to modify mortgages so as to avert foreclosures. Right before our eyes is disdain by the USGovt for aiding homeowners. Wall Street wants the entire TARP fund.Treasury Dept henchman Kashkari (no different from Sonny Corleone in the Godfather family) defended actions by claiming they work with other banking regulators to obtain quarterly reports of participating financial institutions on need and lending activity. Does anybody notice that the name Kashkari is close to Kash & Karry? The stonewall by the USFed on its disbursement of TARP funds continues, despite court involvement. In the last several months, the USFed has doled out over $2 trillion of emergency loan via bond swaps. The USFed has begun to clearly resemble a crime syndicate central clearinghouse. It refuses to disclose which banks received bond swaps, and refuses to reveal what assets it accepted as collateral. Before long, RICO Laws against racketeering might be invoked. The word has been mentioned in the press. Recall that all four officially sponsored crime syndicates use the USFed and Wall Street banks to channel funds: Wall Street financials, Fannie Mae bonds, Pentagon arms deals, and CIA narcotics. The Racketeer Influenced & Corrupt Organizations Act of 1970 has been a powerful legal weapon to confiscate crime syndicate assets.
"....Treasury Dept henchman Kashkari (no different from Sonny Corleone in the Godfather family) defended actions by...."
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Notarial said: Already been through this nonsense, since the lender DOES NOT have possession of the PN prior to completion of the loan process this argument is truly specious. Under current law, the lender does not get possession of the PN until the borrower gets their funding.
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Speaking of Promissory notes---
Here is a web page I copied: "In addition, to accommodate the practice of warehouse lending, Revised Article 9 provides that a secured party does not relinquish possession of the mortgage IF A MORTGAGE WAREHOUSE LENDER DELIVERS THE ORIGINAL NOTE TO PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS. It need only instruct the third party that IT IS TO HOLD FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SECURED PARTY, and to re-deliver the collateral to the secured party. See UCC sec. 9-313(h), cmt. 9. Because perfection can be done without filing, and POSSESSION OF THE INSTRUMENT IS NOT DETERMINATIVE OF OWNERSHIP, and because UCC sec. 9-203(g) states that the MORTGAGE FOLLOWS THE NOTE, the original maker of the note and an escrow holder cannot rely on the public records to determine WHO OWNS THE NOTE and who can sign a reconveyance or release of the mortgage.
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If the warehouse lender immediately delivers the promissory note to a purchaser FOR VALUE, as it says here, your point of the lender not getting the promissory note until 3 DAYS after the closing is irrelevant, is it not?
You also said that the borrower does not own the PN. How did you determine ownership? Your standard was because the PN was freely given, and has possession, they own it!
According to the article, it stated: "possession of the note is not indicative of ownership."
Did you notice the phrase: "the mortgage FOLLOWS the note",
it didn't say: THE NOTE FOLLOWS THE MORTGAGE.
The note is the first to leave, & is ALWAYS AHEAD OF THE MORTGAGE in the paper trail, if you will. The mortgage & the note aren't always together as you suggest, otherwise, the lending scam wouldn't work.
Proof positive that again you're the one not in reality of how things work.
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January 7, 2009
Further evidence has emerged revealing how the Pentagon is in the business of responding to blog posts critical of the U.S. government. Noah Shachtman, writing for Wired, posts an Air Force flowchart used for “counter-blogging” purposes.
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Air Force flowchart used for “counter-blogging” purposes. Click image to see a larger version.
“In a twelve-point plan, put together by the emerging technology division of the Air Force’s public affairs arm, airmen are given guidance on how to handle ‘trolls,’ ‘ragers’ — and even well-informed online writers, too. It’s all part of an Air Force push to ‘counter the people out there in the blogosphere who have negative opinions about the U.S. government and the Air Force,’ Captain David Faggard says,” Shachtman writes.
In the case of the Infowars and Prison Planet websites, Centcom operatives do not respond to trolls and ragers. In fact, many of them seem to be the most vociferous trolls and ragers.
On October 16, 2006, Raw Story reported that the United States Central Command sent an email to bloggers on the subject of the GWOT, or so-called “global war on terror,” as part of the Pentagon’s “engagement operations.”
“Now [online readers] have the opportunity to read positive stories. At least the public can go there and see the whole story,” said Maj. Richard J. McNorton. “The public wants to hear these good stories.”
In fact, the public gets these ostensibly “good stories” via the corporate media that acts as a propaganda conduit for the government and the Pentagon.
“I’ve always thought that a military-like process would be a good bridge to connect the services with the blogosphere. There’s a field manual for everything in the military, so this flow-chart presents online communications in a DoD [Department of Defense] friendly format,” former military spokesman Steven Field told Wired.
Mr. Field’s assertion is seriously at odds with Pentagon policy, however. A 2003 Pentagon document entitled the Information Operation Roadmap, released to the public after a FOIA request by the National Security Archive at George Washington University in 2006, characterizes the internet as if it were an enemy “weapons system.”
“We Must Fight the Net. DoD [Department of Defense] is building an information-centric force,” the document states. “Networks are increasingly the operational center of gravity, and the Department must be prepared to ‘fight the net’… DoD’s ‘Defense in Depth’ strategy should operate on the premise that the Department will ‘fight the net’ as it would a weapons system.”
Unleashing trolls and ragers who consider blogs and websites opposed to the government as an enemy “weapons system” is only part of the overall plan to conquer and dominate the internet.
“Part of the Information Operation Roadmap’s plans for the internet are to ‘ensure the graceful degradation of the network rather than its collapse.’ (pg 45) This is presented in “defensive” terms, but presumably, it is as exclusively defensive as the Department of Defense,” notes Brent Jessop for Global Research.
As far as the Pentagon is concerned the internet is not all bad, after all, it was the Department of Defense through DARPA that gave us the internet in the first place. The internet is useful not only as a business tool but also is excellent for monitoring and tracking users, acclimatizing people to a virtual world, and developing detailed psychological profiles of every user, among many other Pentagon positives. But, one problem with the current internet is the potential for the dissemination of ideas and information not consistent with US government themes and messages, commonly known as free speech. Naturally, since the plan was to completely dominate the “infosphere,” the internet would have to be adjusted or replaced with an upgraded and even more Pentagon friendly successor.
A renowned Russian author, Dmitry Glukhovsky, told Russia Today the internet may very well be in decline. “Glukhovsky predicted that the network would become clogged with traffic and may grind to a halt in the near future,” writes Steve Watson. “We have previously warned that the rumors of the internet’s decline have been much exaggerated and used as a pretext for calls to designate of a new form of the internet known as Internet 2.”
Of course, Internet 2 would be greatly regulated and only “appropriate content” would be accepted by an FCC or government bureau. Everything else would be relegated to the “slow lane” internet, the junkyard as it were.
In tandem with broad data retention legislation currently being introduced worldwide, such “clean slate” projects may represent a considerable threat to the freedom of the internet as we know it. EU directives and US proposals for data retention may mean that any normal website or blog would have to fall into line with such new rules and suddenly total web regulation would become a reality.
This “clean slate” and “appropriate content” agenda dovetails with the objectives of the Pentagon as it “fights the net” and strives to disseminate “good stories,” that is to say counter the research of “well-informed online writers” with pro-government propaganda.
www.infowars.com/
It’s all part of an Air Force push to ‘counter the people out there in the blogosphere who have negative opinions about the U.S. government and the Air Force,’ Captain David Faggard says,”
yo relly shud change yo last name, unless yo is a.....
It’s all part of an Air Force push to ‘counter the people out there in the blogosphere who have not yet been totally brainwashed by the govt. propaganda media outlets yet."
and more Moogie silliness
You'll have to show me the law there.
What you say is against current practice and against the article I posted.
Well, for a start the “REAL ESTATE SETTLEMENT PROCEDURES ACT OF 1974”
So, other than the author exhibiting as little knowledge of how it all really comes together as you do.....SO????? I also don’t care if they say a Sousa pipe and drum corp comes through in the middle of the process, they are WRONG!!! Any commercially issued loan is subject to the HUD requirements, one of which is the recission period and hold on funds and documents in escrow until the period is over, so your whole nonsense scenario is just that, and always has been.
and still more
You totally missed my point!
Moogie, the only point you have is the one on your head. How many times do I have to say it, it is irrelevant where the money comes from, the only relevant part of the loan transaction is that the funds are there at the time the loan is completed. I have never said anything otherwise. The funds are exchanged for the PN and TD, it happens simultaneously, so again your scenario is nonsense, the lender never gets the PN until the transaction is completed. You can make up all the silly theories you want, but that is how it happens.
and Moogie off in the world of “If I only had a brain”
If the promissory note IMMEDIATELY LEAVES as the article says, than there was no consideration as you say,
Since this is not how it works, just more in a long collection of your nonsensical world of ifs.
Go ask a loan settlement officer how this works, ask someone who teaches real estate law, or just ask someone who doesn't have straw for brains, but quit getting your spurious information off the internet since you can't even do that well. I realize, of course, that this advice is pointless since for you to do that would be for you get yourself laughed at for being a complete fool, so you will continue to find material that agrees with your fictive view of the universe rather than actually get valid information, but you want agreement not actual information, so you will not check with someone who actually knows what is going on.
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking
Some believe military forces are the ultimate power. Without a strong bank system and underpinned industrial based economic system, supplied by a currency full of vitality, even an equipped potent military must order a retreat. After three decades of relentlessly destructive economic policy, and effusive monetary inflation, and treatment of expanding military budgets as sacred, the United States stands at a dangerous vulnerable crossroads. Its bank system is insolvent, the result of a mighty counter-attack by inflation. The leadership of the nation is squarely directed toward corporate profit and catering to the wealthy. The killing field that is mortgages has delivered more pain to the common man, than anything in the last century. The US Congress is reluctant to help the wealthy and their nasty plight with mortgage losses, until after the November 2008 presidential election. They do not want to be blamed for bailing out felons, criminals, and conmen on Wall Street who have tight control of the key financial agencies.With the exception of the hard working men and women that service the mortgage industry, the entire structure financing the industry is a SCAM,top to bottom. No amount of denial and word smithing will change the outcome.
considance? paste 111?
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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israel pounded rocket sites and tunnels Saturday while its planes dropped leaflets warning of an escalation, and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas predicted a "waterfall of blood" unless all parties adhere to the U.N.'s call for a durable cease-fire.
Hamas fighters kept up attacks on southern Israel, launching 15 rockets. And with neither side ready to step down, the death toll in two weeks of fighting rose to more than 800 Palestinians, according to Palestinian medical officials, and 13 Israelis.
Flames and smoke rose over Gaza City amid heavy fighting.
Diplomacy was not finished, but it appeared to be in retreat following both sides' defiance of Thursday's U.N. Security Council resolution calling for a halt to fighting. Struggling to keep peace efforts alive, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak invited representatives of Gaza's Hamas rulers to Egypt for further talks on his cease-fire initiative.
Defying the international calls for a cease-fire, Israel threatened to launch a "new phase" in its offensive.
"The IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) will escalate the operation in the Gaza Strip," said the leaflets in Arabic dropped from planes. "The IDF is not working against the people of Gaza but against Hamas and the terrorists only. Stay safe by following our orders."
The leaflets urged Gaza residents not to help Hamas and to stay away from its members.
Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel. A week later, ground troops moved in.
Israeli defense officials say they are prepared for a third stage of the offensive, in which ground troops would push much further into Gaza, but are still waiting for approval from the government.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified information, said the army also has a fourth stage planned that calls for a full reoccupation of Gaza and toppling of Hamas.
The dropping of leaflets appeared to be partly a psychological tactic.
The Israeli military said more than 15 militants were killed in overnight fighting. It said aircraft attacked more than 40 targets including 10 rocket-launching sites, weapons-storage facilities, smuggling tunnels, an anti-aircraft missile launcher and gunmen.
In the day's bloodiest incident, an Israeli tank shell killed nine people in a garden outside a home in the northern Gaza town of Jebaliya, said Adham el-Hakim, administrator of Kamal Adwan hospital.
The Israeli military disputed the account, saying its forces did not carry out attacks in that area on Saturday.
Israel has come under international criticism for the rising number of civilian casualties. Palestinian paramedics said the nine people killed in the garden were from the same clan and included two children and two women.
"Residents brought them to the hospital in a civilian car. They put them all in the trunk because their bodies were mangled," Hakim said.
Separately, a woman was killed by tank fire in the nearby town of Beit Lahiya.
The Israeli army has repeatedly accused Hamas of using civilians as human shields and launching attacks from schools, mosques and homes. Earlier this week, an Israeli attack outside a U.N. school killed nearly 40 people. Both Israel and Palestinian witnesses said militants carried out an attack from the area moments earlier.
Palestinian medical officials say roughly half of the more than 800 Palestinians who have been killed were civilians.
Israel and Hamas ignored the U.N. resolution calling for an immediate and durable cease-fire that would lead to the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza.
Israel dismissed the resolution as impractical, while Hamas, whose government in Gaza is not recognized internationally, is angry it was not consulted in the diplomatic efforts.
In Cairo, Egypt and the Palestinian Authority president urged both Israel and Hamas to agree to a truce.
After meeting Mubarak, Abbas warned there was no time to waste in ending the bloodshed in Gaza, home to 1.4 million people.
"If any party does not accept it (the truce), regrettably it will be the one bearing the responsibility. And if Israel doesn't want to accept, it will take the responsibility of perpetuating a waterfall of blood," Abbas said.
Hamas officials from both Gaza and Syria are also in Cairo for separate talks with Egyptian officials on a truce. Israeli officials were in Cairo earlier this week.
Hamas and Abbas's Fatah party, which dominates the West Bank, are fierce political rivals, but the president still claims authority over Gaza. Hamas violently took control of Gaza from Fatah forces in 2007.
In Damascus, Syria-based Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas, on Saturday rejected any deployment of international observers or troops in Gaza.
A statement issued by the groups after a meeting attended by Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal also rejected any security arrangement that "infringes on the right of resistance against Israeli occupation."
Palestinian security officials said some of the heaviest fighting Saturday occurred on the strategic coastal road north of Gaza City, home to 400,000 Palestinians. Israeli forces moved to within about 1 mile of the city before pulling back slightly.
While Israel has largely taken control of the road, militants operate from hidden positions in the area. The road is often used to fire rockets into Israel or attack Israeli navy boats off the Mediterranean coast.
At least 15 rockets landed in Israel, the army said. One hit an apartment building in the southern city of Ashkelon, lightly wounding two people and heavily damaging the structure.
The offensive has caused extensive damage throughout Gaza. The United Nations estimates two-thirds of Gaza's 1.4 million people are without electricity, and half don't have running water.
The Israeli military announced a three-hour halt to operations in Gaza on Saturday to let besieged residents leave their homes and stock up supplies. Medics use the lull to rescue casualties, and aid groups also rush through food distribution.
But for the second straight day, fighting continued even during the lull.
Israel has called for the 3-hour breaks in fighting for the past four days. But aid groups say it isn't enough time to do their work.
Salam Kanaan of Save the Children said that in previous lulls, the agency distributed food to 9,500 people — far short of the 150,000 people it serves.
U.N. official Adnan Abu Hasna said the Palestinian refugee agency would distribute aid to about 40,000 people, half of them holed up in U.N. schools that have been transformed into makeshift shelters.
All deliveries were coming from supplies already in Gaza. U.N. officials said a halt on aid shipments into Gaza through Israeli-controlled border crossings remained in effect. The ban was imposed Thursday after a U.N. truck driver was shot and killed by Israel. It was unclear when the deliveries will resume.
"As each day goes by, and for each moment that the cease-fire demanded by the Security Council is not observed, the crisis continues," said U.N. spokesman Chris Gunness.
Israel says any cease-fire must include assurances that Hamas will halt attacks and end the smuggling of weapons into Gaza through the porous Egyptian border.
Hamas has said it won't accept any cease-fire deal that does not include the full opening of Gaza's border crossings. The U.N. resolution emphasized the need to open all crossings, which Israel and Egypt have kept sealed since Hamas militants forcibly seized control of the territory 18 months ago.
Israeli leaders oppose that step because it would allow Hamas to strengthen its hold on Gaza.
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Associated Press writers Ibrahim Barzak reported from Gaza City and Josef Federman from Jerusalem.
Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas predicted a "waterfall of blood"
red horse/wallowful of blud?
wha? dis guy thins he a profit or sumting??
with all da attentin on budgets/deficts/mortages/banks/impeeched sentors/etc is ANYNUN or paster pain attentin to wha is gong on there at all????
wha? they thikn it dont matta?
dun peepls reelize wha hoppens theyr affecks everynone?
whehter yo like isreel or hate them...whether yo like juice or hate them, isreel is gods timeclock...wha hoppens there affecks evrthins globally, so peepls better start pain attentin big time.
Global conquest is Jewery's ultimate goal.Jewry has taken control of banking, the press, the media, political institutions, academics, and the Military/Industrial complex.
Jewry’s scheme for world domination has been carefully laid out in its manifesto, The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion. According to the renown scholar, Dr Henry Makow, “The Protocols is the New World Order’s blueprint,the Illuminati’s master plan.“Jewry’s goal,” Dr Makow continues, “is to overthrow Western Civilization through the destruction of its four pillars: I. Family II. Nation/Race III. Religion IV. Democracy. Dr Makow has also proven that The Protocols is a genuine document and not a forgery.Much of The Protocol’s agenda of destruction is taking place right before our very eyes: Manipulation of the economy through banking monopolies; Manipulation of the educational system through falsifications of historical events; Manipulation of the general culture through undermining Christian morality; Manipulation of political systems through bribery and funding of selected political candidates; & Manipulation of social venues through crisis-events leading to suspension of civil liberties.The Israeli massacre of Gaza civilians is setting the stage for a global "militaristic"assault by worldwide Jewery on what is left of historic Christian civilization. Because of the contrived agenda known as the ‘war on terror,’ the rogue state of Israel is utilizing its military prowess by collaborating with the West’s military establishment.Many joint ventures between Israel and international defense contractors are part of Israel’s plan to fully ‘globalize’ their Zionist agenda.And Israel’s recent pact with NATO to “share intelligence and engage in joint military exercises,” solidifies Jewry’s scheme to dominate, by force of arms, the Western world.“Anti Terror Training” is yet another venue for Jewry’s scheme for world domination. In September of 2008, The Anti Defamation League (ADL) sponsored such “training” by sending various local US police officers (all expenses paid for!) to Israel to learn from Israeli SWAT teams.And recently, the collaboration between Israel and US defense contractor, CACI International, brought to light their mutual implication in the torture of Iraqi citizens at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison.
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yes, i am famlar with dr. mycows rittings...
eye guss den yo cant change propcy....
beans is rite then...'da end is cumming' an den they aint much tat yo can doo about it.... :-(
guss dats why beans has had it cumming to him "in da end' fo a lawng time now....he bin practsing up fo da reel thins....
corse, jesus hisself sayed dat there wont be no piece till i come back....ho nose better dan him??
kepp locking up,↑ yo UCC redemtion draweth nigh...
corse jesus dis also say dat fo a wile, dat there wood be a 'false piece' unda da A/C
and his lootenement, da false profit...burly baal...lol!
burly baal, he promis a lot of 'false profits' ;-)
nun of dem is reel!
berry bawl is ok...but burly baal is NOT!!!
Norwegian medics in Gaza allege civilian casualties contaminated with Depleted Uranium. If, as recently alleged by Norwegian medics in Gaza, that civilian casualties have been found to be contaminated with Depleted Uranium that would mean that munitions used by the Israelis are clad with DU (Depleted Uranium). Such use against civilians, never mind the opposing military forces, is a war crime in itself.Depleted Uranium is the unforgiving gift of war that keeps on giving. Any warhead - be it bullet, bunker busting bomb, missile or rocket - capped with DU will cut through the thickest steel armor plate like a hot knife through butter. On impact, the DU vaporizes to a fine toxic dust which, when inhaled, will ultimately poison anyone unfortunate to have been exposed to it. Unfortunately for Israeli soldiers if they are exposed to DU dust they will get a toxic dose just as much as the Gazans.
As the unforgiving gift that keeps on giving, just like the NATO military (including Canadians) in Bosnia and NATO troops in Iraq, Israeli soldiers will bring their now DU poisoned bodies home to Israel, contaminating their spouses with this invasive teratogenic metabolic poison. This curse will spread and poison Israeli children, including the unborn who will be subjected to monstrous birth deformities of the most hideous kind - the same deformities that been inflicted on the people of Iraq, Bosnia and Kosovo and anywhere such insane, diabolical weapons have been used.
Photograhic evidence clearly shows 155mm shells marked m825a1 (white phosphorus)which has been banned by international law being loaded into howitzers while rabbi look on.
this is probly true, becoss probly da isreelys no wit all da stuff dat be gong on, the rockit' attx, burn me made off wit da moony, etc, dat there situatshun is now critcal...ie, da world is gunning fo dem now to take dem off da map once an fo all...i think now dat they reelize this, dat they will in fax doo a scratched erth polcy...they will try to start a noo cooler war and take evverynone with them...
they will also reelize dat the burn me made off thins is just a meens to get a link to isreel..an fine out ho da perps really are...they will find out dat they have bin sole out with fake money...all da trillions will be conficated as they swithc to da new basil/parsley system, so all da bribe money will be reetreeved leefing dem with worthless dooolas....when they figur dis out. all hell will brake loose.
Jackass cleans off his desk.
Bush Prepares to Ask for Second Tranche of Bailout Funds
If Congress Fails to Approve Request, Administration May Use Veto Power
By David Cho and Lori Montgomery
Friday, January 9, 2009; 6:17 PM
Senior Bush administration officials are preparing to ask lawmakers for the second half of the $700 billion financial rescue package despite intense opposition in Congress and then have President Bush use his veto if the request is voted down, three sources familiar with the matter said.The initiative, which is being coordinated with the Obama transition team, may be taken within days, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity because no announcement has been made.Democratic Senate aides were notified in a meeting this afternoon that the request could come as soon as this weekend and that a vote could be held as soon as next week, congressional sources said.Under the emergency rescue legislation approved by Congress in October, the administration must inform lawmakers that it wants access to the second installment of $350 billion. Unless Congress passes a resolution rejecting the request within 15 days, the Treasury can begin to tap the funds. If Congress does turn down the request, the president could veto the resolution and then the Treasury could proceed.The plan now being crafted by the Bush administration is not finalized. By unsheathing the veto threat, the Bush administration could make it more likely that the Obama administration would get the rest of the rescue funds. Only if Congress overrides the veto would the money be blocked. A congressional source said advocates of the plan are now exploring whether there are enough votes in the Senate to override a veto.
yea, he want to get hit with a 'trancheon'....
corse to be fair, the world really does not care about the palsinins eether...the palsinans are just beeng yoozed by da nwo as cannon fodder...
da way da nwo look at it, if the palsans and isreelys elimainte eech other,well the better...
if da world really wnat to help da palsins, there ayrab naybors wood have made sum land fo dem to live in...but they dunt...like ricky ricardo say...beecoss they really dun like the palsins eether, so they are content to just let them get kill, but to use it as a hammer aginst isreel and they polsys of aparthide..
the paslins were living in jordan until michal jordans army thru them out...
corse da reeson dat jordan thru them out is dat jordan found out that the palsins wwere tryng to take ova the jordans govt and michal said: 'take sum air' fo yo sneekers....and get the hell out!
the ayrab cutries have plenty of oyvel mooney to support all the palsins if they wanted to, but they dont....so wha does that tell yo?? they dont care about the palsins at all, even if they all die, other than to bring intl cundemnation of isreel...
the reeson dat noone want them is dat da ayrabb cuntries say dat da palsins are a "trublesum peeples" ho coss truble wherever they go...
coss dis is troo, as the palsins are da bablical "house of esau' which god said will be destroyed...
"...will burn (bring) down the house of esau(palsins)..."
wile da rest of da world look on eeting poopcorn an watching an saying: 'good, yo both kill each other'
"...will burn (bring) down the house of esau(palsins)..."
wonda if jug beens is a palsin?? his huse will burn down too!
slop yo did it agian!!!!
i dunno where yo get yo info, it must be frum above...
ya no how slop was alwasy talkin bout dat sawng from da 60's...DA AGE OF AQUARIUS?
dat slop, he just keep researchin and researchin like he was doon his dissininvitation fo his Ph.D......
WELL, YO NOT GONNA BLEEVE THIS!!!!!
GUESS WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!
GUESS WHA HOPPENS NEST MONTH ON FEB. 13TH & 14TH?????
GUESS WHERE DA MOON IS?
GUESS WHERE JUPITER AND MARS IS????
WELL, HOLE ON!!!!!
ARE YO READY???
DA MOON IS IN LIBRA
ALSO KNOW AS.....(drum roll)
MOON IS IN LIBRA
LIBRA IS DA ***7TH HOUSE!!!
AND JUPITER IS ALIGNED WITH MARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yo can check it out fo yoself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.....da da da da...wehn da moon is in da 7th house....and jupiter aligns with mars....then peace will guide da plant....and love will steer da stars....dis is da dawning of da age of aquarius..age of aquarius.....AQUARIUS!!!! da..da..da..da..
da loominati must of no dis frum 1962 when they make da sawng....
UNBLEEVABLE!!!!!!!
i always haf a funny supicion about dat sawng...dat it was a hidden message and not just a sawng...well, now we no htere was a message to it....da HS must of tole slop dat the sawng had a hidden meaning so he kep reserching it....
scratch crawfish said...
"yo shalt not practice divintion...nor consult asstraglers..nor speak to da ded...not consult with palm readers...fortune tolders...tea leaves reeders...nor yogis..etc
if yo do any of da above, do not practice..do it fo reel!
LOOLLO!!!!
so then wha hoppens afta da 13th of feb...aint dat valteens day???
like da st. valteens day masking in chicaco with luca brasi..and don cologne....smell good!!!
This time Israel has miscalculated and their can only be consequences.
This is rapidly spiralling out of control and the emotions and anger that are being ignited I fear now will have unforseen circumstances in the Middle East & the the World in the coming weeks or months.
From Times OnlineJanuary 8, 2009
....In one house they discovered four small children, alive but too weak to stand, next to the bodies of their dead mothers. In all their were 12 dead bodies lying on mattresses...."This is a shocking incident," Pierre Wettach, the ICRC's head of delegation for Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories, said. "The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded."
Sorry to interupt the dawning of aquarius.
Sorry to interupt the dawning of aquarius.
no problem....yo can verily it yoslef...eye jus did...yo can go to an onling efemeris and fine it there...
on dose days, the moon will in fack be in lee's bra grabbin' her mellons and mars an juniper will be strater than a willie mosconi cue shot ●╣from 12" from da pockets...
→ O--------O-------O ←
it dont get any easer dan dat!
aplogies to minster fats...just like in da goofather, they could never beet sunny coloni, yo could never beat willie mosconi, the best ever!
ever wathc da movee: "da hustler" ole version
Think I'll go out side and light up a cigar and howl at the moon, praise God for all the beauty.
night dr.
...as far as the palsinan 'war' goes, it will cuntinue no matter wha anynun says about it...da usa, da UN, da EU, udda ayrab cuntries, etc....
the only way it will stop, is when like da jooish woman said about eichmann at his hanging...da biggest tread to a joo is anther joo...
so it will cuntinue....until...it begins to treaden the security of the most powerful joos in da world....da joo rushon oilygarks...den, at dat pint, its ova...EOS...when the joo rushon oilygarks begin to feel treadend by it and start to feel 'putout' by it, then they will make a call to 'putin' on da hotline and tell putin to call isreel and tell dem to 'putout' da war, an it will be ova beffo putin puts down da phone...with ova 1500 nooks, putin aint scarred of da "spooks"...evan da isreely ones.....
then they will make a call to 'putin' on da hotline and tell putin to call isreel and make dem an offer they cant refuse....
don vito putin
putin: "hello...i want talk to pm of isreel...get on da fone now..."
isreely pm: "yes, may i help you mr. vlad putin"
putin: "nyet..but you can help yorself...you tell your genral to stop war with gaza now, or i get werry werry angry with you and you dun wnat that to happen...do you understand comrade?"
ipm: "yess, yess, mr. putin..rite away sir...can i send you a nice case of stolichnaya while im at it?"
putin: "waht?"
ipm: "ok...ok..i will sent 10 cases of stolly..by overnite air, howver you like...by el-al or aeroflot..your choice, free shipping"
putin: "good job comrade...but i dont want hear anymore truble in gaza with booms and solders...you understand me comrade?"
ipm: 'yes..yes...sir mr. putin...i mean vlad...absolutley sir...tell mrs. putin i said 'hello'
putin: "good bye and i will look for my stolly tomorrow morning...it better be here...."
LOOLLLOL!!!!!!
it also funny dat they wood relese the aquarius info on 1-11-09????
what up wit dat??
1+1+9+1+0+11+9+111+1+9+9+1+1+1....= ????
doze dam mumbles agin....
The following link will provide insight and prove that we are being traded for profit.
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See where it says ''search for?" Pull down "Mutual fund." See where it says "fund name?" Pull it down to ''fund number.''
THEN in the ''search value'' box type in your birth year...in two digit form...such as 44, 56, 71, etc. After your birth year put a dash (-), then type in your nine digit social security number...with the dashes.
THEN, click ''search.'' Most people will see their Fund name, symbol, CUSIP number, and fund number.
NEXT, click on the symbol. Most people will be sent to a new screen which will give you a quote. A few of us will dead end there. Most people will will be given a quote.
At this point if one has value you will find a link to click which is ''research." NOW, if you are lucky...or unlucky, depending on which way you look at this, you will be taken to a new ''SUMMARY" page outlining you and your value. I have not been able to figure what makes one account more valuable than another. Perhaps someone can help here.
This proves we are only commodities or trades, stocks, etc. Ever wonder why we have this dire financial situation? The rest of the world has been finding out exactly what they have purchased.
Spread the word and the LIGHT,
THEN in the ''search value'' box type in your birth year...in two digit form...such as 44, 56, 71, etc. After your birth year put a dash (-), then type in your nine digit social security number...with the dashes.
At this point if one has value you will find a link to click which is ''research." NOW, if you are lucky...or unlucky, depending on which way you look at this, you will be taken to a new ''SUMMARY" page outlining you and your value. I have not been able to figure what makes one account more valuable than another. Perhaps someone can help here.
http://activequote.fidelity.com/mmnet/SymLookup.phtml?QUOTE_TYPE=D
yo can go here to fine out what yo birth serficate is wurth???
intrasting pastes from HAL9000 computer form "2001: A Space Odyssey" re: the Gaza invasion...
Offshore natural gas reserves driving Israeli Gaza invasion
The attack upon the Gaza strip is not motivated by so-called "rocket attacks" emanating from Gaza; it has to do with 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas reserves discovered off the Gaza coast!
The Israelis are invading so as to be able to steal those reserves! Thieving jews strike again.
Details Here
Posted by HalTurnerShow.com at 1/11/2009 02:51:00 PM
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BREAKING NEWS ** Israel planned Gaza attack in September; U.S. Shipped 5.8 MILLION POUNDS of Explosives in December, just before attacks started!!!
For the past several weeks, Israel has been telling the world they had to attack the West bank and Gaza Strip because of rocket attacks in November and December against Israeli civilians. That has now been shown to be a lie.
It turns out the Israel offensive against the occupied territories was planned as early as September, when Israel requested and received GBU-39 Bunker buster bombs from the United States.
The United States has been telling the world that we did not approve of the Israeli attacks in advance, but that too, is a lie.
It turns out the USA shipped five million, eight hundred thousand pounds of explosives via ship, from the Military Ocean Terminal in Sandy Point, NC to Israel in December, just before the Gaza attacks began.
Even worse, the Military Sealift Command (MSC) is presently attempting to ship another 3,000 tons of explosives and detonators from a base in Greece, to Israel.
My fellow Americans, all the carnage in Gaza and in the West Bank that you've been seeing on TV and reading about in the newspapers, has been caused DIRECTLY by U.S. supplied bombs.
It is OUR weaponry being used to attack unarmed civilians in Gaza. It is OUR bombs that are killing unarmed men, women and children.
I think that members of the U.S. Congress, by agreeing to sell these weapons knowing how they would be used, have made their own families legitimate targets for attack. Since they approved the supply of weapons used to attack women and children abroad, it seems only fair that their own innocent family members now become targets.
Incidentally, (in case any of you Arabs are interested) the entire U.S. Congress will be out in the open at the U.S. Capitol Building on January 20 for the Presidential Inauguration.
I would jump with joy if the Inauguration was attacked with Mortars and rocket propelled grenades, so we could watch the body parts of Congress splattered all over the US Capitol.
Details Here
Posted by HalTurnerShow.com at 1/11/2009 10:17:00 AM
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It is amazing with all the Arab hatred of our way of life and Arab terror. Israel is an allie. See the real Hammas isted of believing the biggots and the press.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
and the hard thing for peeple to keep in mind is that just like us, there are many isreelys who dont approve of their govt. iether, but like us, are helpless to do anything about it....the illminati/freemansonree controlls everthins....
looks like the SB will haf 3 'bird' teams in it...ravens, cardinals and eagles...
based on the fact dat the illminati had the "patriots' win 3 SBs, to showcase the (false) patriot spirit and bring attn to da paytreet act, then the time fo da patreets is ova...eevrynone now nose dat it was a frawd and so the paytreets football teem had to be taken down as well, and they have.
now as we are cumming to da false milliinal kingdom to be led by the BMR/RCC/poop they are gong to set the SB teems as a match between wha they percieeve as good v. evil
so natch, the 2 teams that will beat the odds and get there are the 2 bird teams...
representing evil:
the black evil looking birds...THE RAVENS
represetning 'good':
(and also da BMR/RCC/poop/AC) are THE CARDINALS
(also in RED and reprenting the BMR/RCC prelates of the same name)
and natch, good prelates win over the evil birds...
the ARIZONA CARDINALS win the SB
in a squeeker, maybe by a FG 3 PTS or less
yo herd it hear first, in probly da biggest upset since 69' when broadway joe namath made his famus 'guarentee' to beat the colts as 17 1/2 pt. undadogs
da cards will be nowerhe near 17 1/2 pts dogs,but considering that the odds were even greater than this to even get there...
go back to the beginning of the season and look up the odds of arizona winnning the SB
ill bet it was over 500:1
save this post...it will prooe profit-ic...if yo a gambler ;-)
Worldwide protests for Gaza; U.S. remains calm
Protesters in London smash a Starbucks, throw shoes at Israeli embassy
Jan. 10, 2009
A London protest against the Israeli military campaign in Gaza turned violent Saturday night as police charged demonstrators outside the gates of Israel's embassy.
It was one of the largest of many, many demonstrations across Europe on Saturday. Protests in Paris, France also turned violent.
One police officer was knocked unconscious and two were injured in the fray, according to The London Paper. An estimated 300 police in riot gear charged protesters as the crowd chanted "free, free Palestine," hurling hundreds of shoes over a police barrier in front of the embassy.
Tensions continued to rise as the crowd found more objects to hurl -- signs, eggs, red paint, barriers, rocks, etc. -- until police began efforts to disperse the demonstrators.
Protesters smashed and destroyed a Starbucks, and the Daily Mail reported that others tried to set police vehicles on fire.
The Daily Mail also published a striking series of photos from the protest.
London police told BBC that just 20,000 people were involved in the protest, but BBC estimated 50,000. The London Paper gave a figure twice that, claiming over 100,000 joined the demonstration.
"We want the British government to take a much stronger position," said Lindsey German, an organizer with protest group 'Stop the War,' in a BBC report. "There would have been outrage from governments around the world if this had happened anywhere else - the condemnation has been at best half-hearted."
"The British government and European Union have the economic leverage to stop this carnage," said Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London, in a prepared statement. "They must take decisive action to force Israel to end the slaughter."
Protests ripple across Europe
About 30,000 people marched through Paris, the interior ministry said, and more than 90,000 joined protests in more than 120 towns and cities elsewhere in France.
In the capital, thousands of French men and women of Arab origin carrying Palestinian banners joined forces with left-wing militants amid cries of "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greater) and "Israel murderer."
Protesters smashed a bus shelter and a telephone box in central Paris, and bottles were later thrown at riot police and shop windows smashed.
Police fired teargas after mobs overturned motor scooters and set them on fire.
A march in the southern city of Nice descended into violence. Seven police were hurt and 11 rioters arrested as youths broke off from a 2,500-strong crowd of protesters and smashed shop windows.
Demonstrations took place on the streets of other European cities including Athens, Berlin, Budapest, Oslo, Sarajevo and Stockholm.
In Sarajevo, peace activist Svetlana Broz told a 1,000-strong pro-Palestinian demonstration that the city knew better than others "what happens when the world remains silent at a time when innocent civilians suffer", referring to the bloody siege of the city in the 1992-95 war in the former Yugoslavia.
Police in Oslo fired teargas after a small group among a crowd of 2,000 pelted them with stones, and up to 5,000 demonstrators gathered outside the Israeli embassy in Stockholm to call for an end to the military campaign.
More than 6,000 people gathered for a peaceful rally in Berlin, with similar shows of support for the Palestinians in Munich and Cologne.
In western Germany, some 10,000 people, largely from the ethnic Turkish community, protested in Duisburg. Police briefly intervened when demonstrators threw snowballs at a window bearing two Israeli flags.
Innsbruck in western Austria staged a peaceful protest of 3,500 people waving banners saying "Stop Israeli terror" and 7,000 protesters turned out in Bern, Switzerland.
In Athens, more than 2,000 people took part in a protest staged by left-wing groups and thousands demonstrated in Milan and Turin.
A rally is planned in Madrid on Sunday, while a pro-Israeli demonstration is scheduled to take place in London.
Protesters in London smash a Starbucks, throw shoes at Israeli embassy
...wile yo at it, can yo mix me up a latte? wile i can still afford it? i jus luv doze lattes....
$4 for a coffee?!
jeez...hope dat burly baals hypes payout soon....
London claiming over 100,000 joined the demonstration.
About 30,000 people marched through Paris,
90,000 joined protests in more than 120 towns and cities elsewhere in France.
Nice ... a 2,500-strong crowd of protesters and smashed shop windows.
Demonstrations took place
Athens, Berlin, Budapest, Oslo, Sarajevo and Stockholm.
In Sarajevo, a 1,000-strong
Oslo a crowd of 2,000 pelted them with stones, and up to 5,000
More than 6,000 people gathered for a peaceful rally in Berlin,
In western Germany, some 10,000
Austria 3,500 people and 7,000 protesters
In Athens, more than 2,000 people
thousands demonstrated in Milan and Turin.
rally is planned in Madrid on Sunday,
now that add up to a lot of tousands....intersting and not even a peeps in da usa????
Dr. I don't think the Cardinals will even go to the Superbowl, let alone win the Superbowl.
I think it will be Pittsburg against the Eagles. I think Pittsburg Steelers will go all the way.
It may have been 200-1 for the Cardinals to win the Superbowl, before the start of the season, but not as high as 500-1 as you say. 500-1 would have to go to the worst perceived team at the beginning of the season to win the Superbowl.
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