Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Your Christ is my Devil (10-18-11)

I heard a quote from Wesley “Your Christ is my Devil”. I could relate to his sentiment The Christ of the gospel message is completely misunderstood by the corrupt human heart. When a true Christian has a relationship with God through Christ he is easily criticized for his obedience which is foreign to all they know as righteous. It is why so many clamored to have Christ crucified. He knew that His true professions of the Godhead would be reflected by those who garner their righteousness from the devil.

What is so despicable about the judicial system Scott and I faced and still fight is that it borrows the righteous credibility of God’s righteousness buy follows the tenets of the devil. Christians foolishly allow themselves to be duped by the profession of righteousness and presume in their ignorance that God’s will is being performed. I tell you the fact by the knowledge of Christ, The true Christ, that our judicial system is akin to witchcraft and none who practice its art can know the Lord. If they profess a relationship with Christ their Christ is the devil of the true gospel.

I have had friends and I will use that term loosely who have studied the word of God with me. Yet when the institutions of law merely make the cursory claims of God’s authority they ignore the witness they have of me and condemn me as unjust. This is the work of the devil and true Christian love cannot practice it. So when you make the profession of Christ I am not easily moved and I will judge you by whose report you believe before I call you brother.

As for the judicial system it has made an enemy with Christ in me. I have no fear of the quantity or the size of the giants God throws at my rock. They will be defeated as Goliath because the true Christ of the gospel is more than a conjurer and is not deceived by the devil’s false righteousness.

As to the battles I face I do not grow weary and have always seen the victory inherent in Christ. So if you cannot understand my determination against or contempt for all things labeled lawful fear not it is easily understood: Christ is my devil.

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Dr. Caligari said...

Fact is they were built with Black Opps money, because the money appropriation was never approved by Congress.

You keep saying that, but haven't offered any citation or evidence. Marion has been a federal prison since 1963. If Congress never authorized it, wouldn't someone have noticed by now?

mogel007 said...
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mogel007 said...

In 2006, USP Marion's designation was changed to a medium security prison and major renovations were made. The renovations increased Marion's inmate population from 383 to 900.[12]

Congress turned down these renovation costs for a "new prison". Obviously the old facility didn't figure in with wanting to put more prisoners into this facility.

Here is the reason, excuse, or justification they gave to operate a bigger and illegal prison and CMU.

Communication Management Unit[edit]
Although the facility no longer operates as a "supermax" facility, USP Marion is now home to one of two "Communication Management Units" in the federal prison system. The Federal Bureau of Prisons created the Communication Management Unit (CMU) in response to criticism that it had not been adequately monitoring the communications of prisoners. "By concentrating resources in this fashion, it will greatly enhance the agency's capabilities for language translation, content analysis and intelligence sharing," according to the Bureau's summary of the CMU.[13][14]

Criticism from who? Not the general public.
Now, Congress isn't that blind, or that stupid, they obviously know what has gone on since they turned down the bill for "those renovation costs" for the Marion prison to make the changes and turned a blinds eye to all of this. Of course they know it's operating and was built and renovated illegally anyway. It's like having your own Guantonomo Bay prison facility on American soil. I don't know if "water boarding" is going on there. Nothing would really surprise me, however, it seems inhumane to lock up human beings for 23-24 hours a day, 7 days a week, without any human inter action. Congress is to blame too for allowing these abuses to continue by doing nothing about this along with the Dept. of Justice as they have turned a blinds eye too.
To say, no one has noticed any of this is kind of ridiculous.

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mogel007 said...

The Marion prison was changed over from a supermax prison to a medium secured prison and CMU around 2008. It costs money to change things around. It tells you in the Utube video who the brain child was for this CMU. Didn't you read your own cite you gave:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Penitentiary,_Marion

Didn't you listen to the video I posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqpqmTrRh5c

The evidence of the abuse is the video I posted along with Kurt's own testimony.

Yes people have noticed it, and there have been lawsuits over the abuses at the Marion prison already and videos made. It hasn't gone unnoticed, is one of my points. It just isn't common knowledge among the masses what is really going on.

mogel007 said...

Congress turned down the CMU's agenda as it "smacked of racial discrimination". It was built anyway, and the "racial discrimination" and abuses continue. It's the FU Congress attitude that is alarming.

mogel007 said...

CMUs: The Federal Prison System’s Experiment in Social Isolation
March 31, 2010

What is a Communications Management Unit (CMU)?
In 2006 and 2008, the Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP or “Bureau”) secretly created the Communications Management Units (CMUs), prison units designed to isolate and segregate certain prisoners in the federal prison system from the rest of the BOP population. Currently, there are two CMUs, one located in Terre Haute, Indiana and the other in Marion, Illinois. The CMUs house between 60 and 70 prisoners in total, and approximately 60 percent of the CMU population is Muslim, even though Muslims represent only 6 percent of the general federal prison population.

Unlike other BOP prisoners, individuals detained in the CMUs are completely banned from any physical contact with visiting family members and friends. Other types of communication are also severely limited, including interactions with non-CMU prisoners and phone calls with friends and family members.

Individuals detained in the CMUs receive no meaningful explanation for their transfer to the unit or for the extraordinary communications restrictions to which they are subjected. Upon designation to the unit, there is no meaningful review or appeal process that allows CMU prisoners to be transferred back to general population.

Many CMU prisoners have neither significant disciplinary records nor any communications-related infractions. However, bias, political scapegoating, religious profiling and racism keep them locked inside these special units.

Who is Detained in the CMU?


The Bureau claims that CMUs are designed to hold dangerous terrorists and other high-risk inmates, requiring heightened monitoring of their external and internal communications. Many prisoners, however, were sent to these isolation units for their Constitutionally-protected religious beliefs, unpopular political views, or in retaliation for challenging poor treatment or other rights violations in the federal prison system.

Of 178 total CMU designations, 101 have been of Muslim prisoners. This marks a vast overrepresentation, which cannot be explained away by virtue of the CMU’s focus on terrorism. Of the first 55 prisoners designated to the CMU, 45 were sent there because of their connection to terrorism, but the other ten were designated due to involvement in prohibited activities related to communication; of that ten, eight self-reported as Muslim.

mogel007 said...

CMUs also house individuals with “unpopular” political views, such as environmental activists. Many of these prisoners were brought to the CMU as a calculated means to “integrate” the units after critical press attention to the targeting of Muslims. Also commonly detained in the CMU are prisoners who have been active in organizing prisoners’ rights, participated in lawful social justice movements, organized worship sessions, or filed grievances based on mistreatment and/or conditions of confinement. Although the Bureau maintains there are broad guidelines determining who is eligible to be sent to these isolation units, thousands of prisoners in the general population fit the criteria – begging the question, why these men?



The CMU: An Experiment in Social Isolation?


Unlike other prisoners in the federal prison system, CMU prisoners are forbidden from any physical contact with their children, spouses, family members and other loved ones that visit them. They are not even allowed a brief embrace upon greeting or saying goodbye. While the BOP claims that these units were created to more effectively monitor communications, there is no security explanation for banning physical contact during visits as visitors are comprehensively searched before visits, and prisoners are strip searched before and after visits. The ban on physical contact during visits contradicts the Bureau’s own policy recognizing the critical importance of visitation in rehabilitation and prison re-entry. The CMUs’ visitation policy is even more restrictive than that of the BOP’s notorious “supermax” prison, where prisoners have over four times more time allotted for visits than prisoners in the CMU.

The Bureau has also placed severe restrictions on phone access. As with visits, the Bureau has recognized the importance of telephone communications with family and loved ones in the rehabilitation process as well as in maintaining family relationships during incarceration. In spite of this, for the first three years the CMUs existed, prisoners were permitted only one 15 minute call a week. In 2009, in apparent response to threatened litigation, the Bureau permitted one extra 15 minute call a week, but the BOP has discretion to limit CMU prisoners to only three 15 minute calls a month. Comparatively, other prisoners in the federal system receive 300 minutes a month for phone calls.

mogel007 said...



Prisoners in the isolation units are barred even from contact with other prisoners in the general population. In addition to the stigma of being placed in what is widely known as the “terrorist” unit, individuals detained in the CMU have limited access to educational and other opportunities, including programs that facilitate reintegration and employment efforts upon their release.

Secrecy, Transparency and Accountability in the Federal Prison System


These isolation units have been shrouded in secrecy since their inception. CMUs were created without public knowledge and without the opportunity for the public to comment as required by law. In 2010, the BOP attempted to redress this violation by, three years after the fact, finally disclosing CMU policy for public comment. Years later, in 2015, the Bureau final issued a regulation codifying CMU policy and practices.

What is Aref v. Lynch?


Aref, et al. v. Lynch, et al. is a federal lawsuit challenging the policies and conditions at the two CMUs, as well as the circumstances under which they were established. In March 2010, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) filed the case in the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC on behalf of several prisoners and their family members. The defendants in the lawsuit include the Attorney General, the Director of the BOP and the, Assistant Director of the Correctional Programs Division of the BOP.

In August of 2016, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals dealt CMU prisoners a huge victory in the case; the Court ruled that prisoners have a “liberty interest” in avoiding CMU placement, and thus the procedures used by the Bureau of Prison to place and retain people in a CMU must adhere to due process standards.

The District Court is now considering the question of whether BOP practices meet due process standards. CCR has submitted significant evidence, based on previously-secret documents gathered through the litigation, to show that current and past procedures are gravely inadequate, and violate Constitutional demands.

mogel007 said...

This is all evidence in Kurt's favor, his constitutional rights have been violated by placing him in two CMU prisons for no just cause. He's not "Muslim", he's not a "terrorist", and he is not a "balancer", A/K/A a token white person. So what reason can you give to put him there, other than being a "political prisoner" and he's being unfairly singled out, and discriminated against because he authored and implemented a challenge to the banks that powerful people didn't like.

mogel007 said...

What is Aref v. Holder?
Aref, et al. v. Holder, et al. is a federal lawsuit challenging the
policies and conditions at the two CMUs, as well as the
circumstances under which they were established. The
Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) filed the case in the
U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia in March 2010
on behalf of several plaintiffs, including prisoners and their
family members. The defendants in the lawsuit include Attorney
General Eric Holder; Harley Lappin, Director of the BOP;
D. Scott Dodrill, Assistant Director of the Correctional
Programs Division of the BOP and Leslie Smith, head of the
Counterterrorism unit of the Federal BOP.

In November 2012, CCR amended its complaint to bring new
retaliation claims based on previously-secret documents.
These documents, gathered through the litigation, revealed
that the BOP assigned CCR’s clients to the CMUs because of
their Constitutionally-protected political activism and
speech.

mogel007 said...

Again we keep hearing the words "secret" as in "secret documents". Bad things and illegal things always happen in secret, away from the general public's knowledge and view.

OMO said...

I don't know exactly why Kurt was put in CMU, but knowing what I know of Kurt, I can only imagine why. I'm not suggesting he should change, but it seems his personality is not serving him well in there.

persistancepays said...

Got to catch up with all the posts here, been on holiday travel with family. Catch up on all my email too. only have a dumb phone, so no access while away.

persistancepays said...

"Nothing would really surprise me, however, it seems inhumane....what happened to a famous prisoner who officials thought knew who was responsible for the OK city bombing.

"Bad things and illegal things always happen in secret, away from the general public's knowledge and view."

look up Ken Trentadue. they (prison offcials) literally beat this guy to death in prison. never solved. his bro was also a lawyer and filed a multimillon dollar case agaisnt the state. dont know if he ever collected.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kenneth Michael Trentadue (December 19, 1950 – August 21, 1995) was an American citizen who was found hanged in his cell at FTC Oklahoma during the investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing. His death was officially ruled a suicide three years after it occurred.[1][2] Trentadue's family maintains that he was murdered by members of FBI who mistakenly believed he was involved in the Oklahoma bombing[1] and that officials at the prison engaged in a cover-up.[1] Oklahoma City's chief medical examiner said of Trentadue that it was "very likely he was murdered".[3] Timothy McVeigh stated that he believed Trentadue was mistaken for Richard Lee Guthrie Jr., a suspected co-conspirator in the bombing who also died in federal custody, allegedly from suicide by hanging.[4][5]

Kenneth was apprehended on June 10, 1995, nearly two months after the Oklahoma City bombing, while crossing the border from Mexico into California, when police officers ran his driver's license and discovered that he was wanted for violating his parole.[1][2] On August 18, Trentadue was transferred to the Department of Justice's Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City. Trentadue called his brother, Jesse, from FTC Oklahoma on August 19. Jesse described Kenneth as sounding "chipper" in the call.[2] Jesse was an attorney in Utah who worked largely in business and contract law and thus was unfamiliar with criminal court procedure. He later learned Kenneth's transfer to Oklahoma was highly unusual, given that his alleged parole violation was for a relatively minor infraction (drinking alcohol) and should have been handled in the southern California court where he had originally been tried and sentenced.[6]

According to prison records, at 3:02 a.m., the morning of August 21, 1995, Kenneth was found in his cell suspended from a noose made out of his bed sheets.[4]

Oklahoma County District Attorney Bob Macy and federal officials determined that Trentadue had committed suicide by hanging himself. Officials tried to obtain the permission of Trentadue's family to cremate the body at the government's expense, an unprecedented move, but the family declined, since they found the claims of suicide suspicious. The government then performed an autopsy on Trentadue, but did not notify the family.[7]

When the family received the body from the prison authorities, it was covered in wounds, cuts, and bruises, leading the family to believe Trentadue had been tortured and beaten before his death. Trentadue had sustained three heavy blows to the head, and his throat had been cut; prison authorities claimed the wounds were self-inflicted.[4

persistancepays said...

The day after Trentadue's death, Kevin Rowland, the chief investigator of the Oklahoma state medical examiner filed a complaint with the FBI reporting irregularities in the investigation of Trentadue's death: the coroner was at first not permitted into the cell where Trentadue had died, and the cell itself was washed out before any investigation could be performed.[7] The complaint went on to state that, although the exact cause of death could not be determined, the claim that Trentadue had committed suicide was not consistent with the medical examiner's findings, and Trentadue appeared to have been tortured.[8] The FBI paperwork from the agent who received the medical examiner's call reads "murder" and "believes that foul play is suspect[ed] in this matter."[2]

A Board of Inquiry was convened by the Bureau of Prisons. The attorney in charge of the investigation was ordered to treat his findings as "attorney work product", a legal distinction that would protect information uncovered in his investigation from any potential lawsuit or Freedom of Information Act inquiries.[2]

persistancepays said...

"attorney work product"

LOLLLOLLOLLOL!!!!

persistancepays said...

In 1999, Alden Gillis Baker, an inmate who had been imprisoned in Oklahoma City's Federal Transfer Center at the same time as Trentadue, stated he would testify that he had witnessed Trentadue's murder. According to FBI documentation, Baker was even sharing a cell with Trentadue on the night of his death. However, the authenticity this documentation has been vigorously disputed by the Department of Justice. In December 1999, Baker reported to a lawyer that he feared for his life. In August 2000, he was found dead in his cell. His death was ruled a suicide by the coroner's office. Trentadue family attorneys argued that Baker's hanging was "...pretty incredible because he's the only witness who really came forward and said he saw the guards go in there and murder Kenneth."[9]

persistancepays said...

In December 1999, Baker reported to a lawyer that he feared for his life. In August 2000, he was found dead in his cell.


of course! waht yo expect???

persistancepays said...

more....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue

persistancepays said...

Civil suit and other legal action[edit]
The Trentadue family filed a wrongful death suit against the federal government, and were awarded a judgment of $1.1 million for their emotional distress associated with the way the federal government handled the case.[8]

The federal government appealed the $1.1-million-dollar award, and in August 2007 the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit revoked the award and sent the case back to the judge who originally awarded the money.[12] In 2008, after bouncing back and forth twice on appeal, the judge reinstated the award, although the Trentadue family claims Department of Justice attorneys have told them the federal government will never pay, no matter how many judgments the family wins.[13]

In November 2008, Kenneth Trentadue's family offered a $250,000 reward for information leading to a murder conviction in the case of Trentadue's death.[14]

persistancepays said...

"Trentadue family claims Department of Justice attorneys have told them the federal government will never pay, no matter how many judgments the family wins.[13]



a 'special place' in Hell awaits some of these bastards....

OMO said...


PPays said... "a 'special place' in Hell awaits some of these bastards...."


Wouldn't want their dirty Rothschild money anyway.


Mogel007 said..."You will need to note that Scott was never sent to a CMU prison even though convicted of the same alleged crimes. This begs the question of why? One is treated as a "terrorist" and the other is not? Where's the justice or equality under the law here?"


Different personalities I guess. My guess is also that, if it wasn't for Kurt, Scott wouldn't be where he is right now. If it wasn't for Scott, Kurt might very well still be where he is but not vice versa. lol

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OMO said...

After Scott gets out in 2024 he'll probably be on probation for the next 5-10 years and (probably) not be allowed to contact Kurt. When Kurt gets out (2028) he too will be put on probation and not be allowed to hang out with, let alone phone, Kurt. And if they are caught doing so, they will be sent back to prison for violating their probation and sent back to prison to serve another 10 or more years. They will die never seeing or speaking to each other again! But knowing those two ... lol


OMO said...

I have no doubt that Kurt and Scott will try to contact each other- no doubt at all. They will do so through other people and other people's phones because no doubt their own phones will be tapped. If they are not careful they will, out of the blue, find themselves back in grey bar hotel. Those two are not professional criminals and will most inevitably be caught. lol

persistancepays said...

"When Kurt gets out (2028) he too will be put on probation and not be allowed to hang out with, let alone phone, Kurt.



Why wood kirk try to fone capt. Krik???

OMO said...

oops, I meant phone Scott.

OMO said...

If Kurt and Scott aren't' careful, their story will end like Richard Simkanin's story ended:


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The New Hampshire Free Press
October 29, 2010

Jailed Tax Protester Richard Simkanin died in prison at 12:43 yesterday. I spoke with Simakin’s friend, Daniel Schinzing of Keene, TX, who said that Simkanin had been experiencing weakness, chest pain, and had a large lump on his chest. News of Simkanin’s death was not a surprise, given his condition. He was 67 years old at the time of his death.

Simkanin had been released from prison earlier this year, but jailed again after claims of violation of his terms of release. He had served seven years in federal prison after refusing to withhold taxes from his employees at his Bedford, TX plastics business. He had been sentenced to an additional 7 years after his alleged violation of terms of release.


https://www.infowars.com/jailed-tax-protester-richard-simkanin-dead-in-prison/



persistancepays said...

...the end of the fiat fed reserve system is at hand nonetheless, despite all efforts by the ptb to keep it afloat....bitcoin @ $10K per is going to see to that....i suspect that as btc rises and approaches say $100K per, thats the device which will be used to pay for the rv, dinar, global settlements and even the dg settlements.

it all makes sense now...these can be paid withe little to no interference from any govt. alphabet soup agency....and once amazon allows its use, which is to happen very, very shortly, allowing one to purchase anything with btc, then for all practical purpesoses, the jig is up....

persistancepays said...

"Different personalities I guess. My guess is also that, if it wasn't for Kurt, Scott wouldn't be where he is right now. If it wasn't for Scott, Kurt might very well still be where he is but not vice versa. lol


waht your saying is that scott did not and would not have had the 'technical knowledge' to attempt such a task. ie, he went along because it seemed like a good thing to do at the time. so basically, he had his won motivations, as did we all who joined the dg group. and that is basically, the dreams of great $$$, because we beleived in the people who promoted the 'process' without fully understanding the lengths that the govt would go to to prevent it from succeeding up to and including what they did to that treatadue guy posted a few posts back.

same as all the other 'opps' that the courageous speculated in; the idea of great wealth. so, none of us have anyone to blame for anything weve done but ourselves, including all the HYPEs that even myself have inveted in. i take responsibilty for it even including the 30k ive lost with ebullion from proceeds on a mortgage which casue a forclosure of my house which i thought would have been save by the dg process...oh, well....all of these so called 'investments' may yet still payout someday....... ................ ;-)

OMO said...

PersistancePays said... Waht your saying is that scott did not and would not have had the 'technical knowledge' to attempt such a task. ie, he went along because it seemed like a good thing to do at the time. so basically, he had his won motivations,"


I'm saying they would not have done without each other. Both had the 'technical knowledge' and neither of them, "fully understood the lengths that the govt would go to to prevent it from succeeding up to and including what they did to that treatadue guy posted a few posts back." And even if they had fully understood the lenghths the government would go to stop them, I don't think they would have heeded their own understanding.

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OMO said...

Neither the 2001, nor the 2002 grand juries would indict Simkanin for failure to withhold and turn over the tax. However, after the DOJ prevented Simkanin from appearing before the 2003 grand jury, this grand jury indicted him.
Following a hearing before a Magistrate Judge, Simkanin was released, without bail, on his own recognizance.

Days later, federal district court Judge John McBryde, accepting hearsay over direct evidence, ruled that Simkanin was a flight risk and a threat to society. Judge McBryde overruled the Magistrate Judge, ordering Simkanin jailed pending his trial which is currently scheduled for October 6th. Mr. Simkanin has been a federal prisoner for eleven weeks.

OMO said...

Simkanin probably got cancer from eating bad prison food-- it's gotta be disgusting.

OMO said...
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OMO said...

Despite both having the technical knowledge and neither of them fully understood the lengths that the govt would go to to prevent it from succeeding, both did not fully understand the difference between a genuine loan and a fictitious loan. Both knew the loan was fictitious but had no clue what a genuine is/was-- if you do not even know what a genuine loan looks like, how can you put a nail in the coffin of fictitious loans?


Please provide a certified copy of the document showing the alteration in the identity of the individual owners of the property located at _______________.


The Role of Money by Frederick Soddy (1934)


Genuine and Fictitious Loans. - For a loan, if it is a genuine loan, does not make a deposit, because what the borrower gets the lender gives up, and there is no increase in the quantity of money, but only an alteration in the identity of the individual owners of it. But if the lender gives up nothing at all what the borrower receives is a new issue of money and the quantity is proportionately increased. So elaborately has the real nature of this ridiculous proceeding been surrounded with confusion by some of the cleverest and most skilful advocates the world has ever known, that it still is something of a mystery to ordinary people, who hold their heads and confess they are "unable to understand finance". It is not intended that they should. But if, instead of trying to puzzle it out along the lines of "what you get for money", these people will reverse the procedure, as in this book, and do so on the of "what you give up for it", the trick is clear enough.

mogel007 said...

Please provide a certified copy of the document showing the alteration in the identity of the individual owners of the property located at _______________.

That statement above refers to the "deposit" of money created in the so called lending process, correct?

OMO said...

Mogel: No, because "For a loan, if it is a genuine loan, does not make a deposit, because what the borrower gets the lender gives up, and there is no increase in the quantity of money, but only an alteration in the identity of the individual owners of it."

mogel007 said...

"both did not fully understand the difference between a genuine loan and a fictitious loan."

That's simply a ridiculous and untrue statement. The "affidavit of truth" which Scott signed listing about 40 points showing that they knew the difference between a legitimate and fictitious loan. Also, Federal Reserve publications were also quoted in the Dorean paperwork showing that the lender did not give a legitimate loan.

Their understanding or lack of understanding as you say, would have made no difference in the outcome.
There are a dozen court cases that the Courts use as precedences which basically say the lender is the creditor giving a loan, and that the "vapor money theory" is wrong, so people that have tried to show that the lender gives no consideration have all been shot down. The premises of the courts are all based upon fantasy so your conclusion doesn't hold water. Mr. Spielbauer, the Dorean Group's attorney, laid out the process of the bank lending process in detail in their Civil lawsuit, and the Court totally rejected everything said as "frivolous" and laid fines on Mr. Spielbauer.

mogel007 said...

OK, I see it now. IN a legitimate loan the lender is giving consideration such as federal reserve notes that they own.
I understand in a legitimate loan, a deposit is not needed and in a legitimate loan, there is not an increase in "check book money".
So that question is referring to where did the money come from that the lender tendered.

The author's words are worded in a confusing way.

OMO said...

I still to this day say their best defense was/is I DO NOT UNDERSTAND because it's True. If you don't even know what a genuine loan looks like, how do know for sure the loan you have is fictitious? The answer is you don't know unless you have a genunine loan to compare it to.

mogel007 said...

Please provide a certified copy of the document showing the alteration in the identity of the individual owners of the property located at _______________.

What document do you expect the bank to show? What specifically is the "property" in that question.

OMO said...

"So that question is referring to where did the money come from that the lender tendered."


The answer is probably in a pre-1933 book somewhere. The same question came to my mind too. I haven't found the answer yet.

mogel007 said...

Alteration of what?

OMO said...

That's simply a ridiculous and untrue statement. The "affidavit of truth" which Scott signed listing about 40 points showing that they knew the difference between a legitimate and fictitious loan. Also, Federal Reserve publications were also quoted in the Dorean paperwork showing that the lender did not give a legitimate loan.

Their understanding or lack of understanding as you say, would have made no difference in the outcome.

__________________

It's actually a FACT: both did not fully understand the difference between a genuine loan and a fictitious loan. To this day they still couldn't tell you. As to your second paragraph (above) Kurt and Scott are not humble enough to even admit they don't understand, so you're correct, their understanding or lack thereof would have made no different.

mogel007 said...

Why didn't the author say that then instead of putting everything in confusing terms? How can you say the Dorean Group doesn't understand this stuff when admittedly you don't understand it either as you haven't found the answer yet? I don't understand what the author is saying either.

OMO said...

"Alteration of what?



Alternation IN the identity of the individual owners of the property located at _______________.

IOWS, the bank had to have owned the property outright. No 'other' owners involved.

mogel007 said...

The Federal Reserve publications and Mr. Spielbauers work clearly spelled everything out, so it was clearly explained. Also the affidavit of truth clearly made a challenge to the Bank, where if the Bank did not answer, point for point, then the affidavit point for point was confirmed as true, meaning it was an iligitimate loan. An unrebutted statement should be accepted as a evidence to the Court as premafacia evidence. That's the approach they took by putting the banks in default by their non-answer. Since no bank made application on the bond, (in case Kurt & scott were wrong), twice the amount of the original loan, such an offer should have made the bank greedy to apply, it was concluded the bank couldn't rebut the affidavit, hence a legitimate loan was not given, hence the trustee had a legal obligation to discharge the mortgage lien. They weren't out to prove the loan was illegitimate by comparing it to a real bank loan, but then banks don't give "real loans", so your complaint against them is not really fair as there's no bank loan you can compare a legitimate bank loan to an illegitimate bank loan.

mogel007 said...

What property are you talking about?

mogel007 said...

Is the "Property" the "loaned monies"?

mogel007 said...

The "Property" has an address? Are you talking about the real property address?

mogel007 said...

If you are talking about the real estate as "the Property", there was no alteration in the real estate, as the mortgage transferred the legal title to the property to the lender as collateral for the alleged loan. Does the author want to see a copy of the mortgage?

OMO said...

So they failed to rebut the affidavit. Failing to rebut the affidavit does not prove fraud, it did not prove the loan was not legit. One can prove the loan was not legit by asking one simple discovery document. The whole point in getting a home loan is OWNERSHIP, right? Right. You want to own your home. Fictitious loans do not have REAL owners. When you go to a bank to buy a home you sincerely believe you are going to own the home, right? You were deceived, you thought you owned the home, but you never do because it's not a genuine loan. You want compensation for the fraud. It doesn't necessarily have to be getting the house, because under this system, nobody can own their home.




OMO said...

Mogel said..."Likewise Kurt made the same claim of turning down millions of dollars if he would just go away and stop what he was doing and stop taking in clients.

The same play is made out of the standard playbook, when you turn down an offer from the powerful people way up the food chain, you get charges thrown against you for not accepting their offer.

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They never offered Kurt and Scott millions of dollars to go away. Why would they ? they have hired hitmen (a/k/a FBI) and black robed priests who will pick them and make them go away for good, all without ever having to pay them a dime. Same goes to Heather and her friend.

OMO said...

Why would they pay you when they own the the entire police force and judges of the court system. I think George Carlin has a video about that called "The Owners of the Country".

OMO said...

They own you because they can buy/hire anyone to get rid of you. Wake up.

lol

OMO said...

As Christopher Langan, the guy with the 200+ I.Q. once said: "...they basically determine what money gets used for simply because they have so darn much of it."



“As you know, money is really a standardized utility, and utility comes out of game theory and decision theory. It's basically what makes things rational. You've got to maximize utility, that way you come up with rational behavior. Now the monetary economy right now is not necessarily rational, except for the people who control it. You've got a number of central bankers who have charge of the money supply and they basically determine what money gets used for simply because they have so darn much of it."

mogel007 said...

So you are saying there is no such thing as a bribe because the bankers own everything, the courts, the police, the politicians, etc. If they own everything, how did President Trump become President as he is not one in the Bildeburger Group like Hillary Clinton. The far left have tried everything to get him impeached, but to date, it's all lies to get him out of office, and their power seems limited because they can't get rid of one man with all their wealth and influence and he hasn't been killed yet, has he?

I know what was said, I'm not exagerrating on that one bit. What is the purpose to make a statement like that if he knew it was completely false? Obviously you have no trust or faith in him at all on such things. Why watch any of this if you believe him to be a liar? I don't understand, why do you care and follow this blog then when you have so much distain and lack of trust in such a simple statement?

You said" "One can prove the loan was not legit by asking one simple discovery document."

And what delivery document is that? Is that the document you don't understand? Can you produce that document yourself for all the rest of us? There are ways to get off the tax rolls and have something as good as a Land Patent, so your statement is still not true. You can have title if you know what you are doing.

mogel007 said...

Why don't you go to court after buying a house yourself and prove your theory. When you get a Judge to sign off on a judgment, "that the bank didn't give a loan because you proved it", let's talk, but until then, it's just a theory with nothing to prove it's true.

mogel007 said...

Why don't you go to court after buying a house yourself and prove your theory. Oh that's right you don't own a car, or a house, I use the term "ownership" loosely, nor do you have any investments. When you get a Judge to sign off on a judgment, "that the bank didn't give a loan because you proved it", that the bank didn't give a loan because they don't give loans, and that you can't own property as a so called bank borrower, and the court signed off on this, let's talk, but until then, it's just a legal theory with nothing to prove it's as simplistic as you say as a workable solution to the problem.

Kurt & Scott proved that the bank didn't give a loan by using negative averments that never were answered and backed everything up with a legitimate bond backed by real assets. The bank couldn't answer them honestly because in by doing so, it would reveal their lending fraud, so either way, by an honest answer from the bank, or the banks default in not answering (silence is equated with fraud as the courts have already ruled as such), the bank loses. That's proof enough in a fair hearing.

mogel007 said...

You talk like you've never read a Dorean Presentment all the way though. It's about 35 pages long. How can you be a critic of anything they've done when you don't even understand their work because you haven't even read it? Have you ever read completely the bond they presented, front and back? It gave the bank instructions on how to collect twice what they claimed was owed on their bogus mortgage. Certainly one of the 4,000 banks could have applied for payment of the bond and have answered all the questions honestly to get paid, as that is all that was required to get paid, if lending is as the bankers and courts say, a legitimate lending program? If none of the 4,000 presentments or so can get even one honest answer, then obviously bank lending is a scam and that's enough cases certainly to prove the Dorean claim. YOu probably believe that the 21 witnesses that Bill Cosby raped and molested women wasn't enough witnesses to prove anything. After all probably all 21 or more of them were all lying, and was some sort of joint conspiracy because he was black, rich, and famous, right? LOL

If lending was legitimate, the mere chance at getting twice the banks claim would be motivation enough to apply for the bond payment, unless they were hiding the mechanisms of their fraud and no amount of money was enough to take that chance.

mogel007 said...

"They own you because they can buy/hire anyone to get rid of you. Wake up."

Yes, and there are no consequences, and the People won't rise up and make them accountable for any of their actions. They have nothing to fear for their actions because they own everything and as soon as you speak out, you will be squashed.

mogel007 said...

"Fictitious loans do not have REAL owners."

Can legitimate loans produce real owners?

So if I make a legitimate loan with my neighbor and use that money to buy a house with silver coins that the Seller accepts, can I be a real owner?

If a legitimate loan can't produce a real owner, than you might say that Fictitious loans do not have real owners, and real loans don't have real owners too, so what's your point? Wouldn't the point be that no loan, whether real or not, produces owners, so whether it's a fictitious loan PROVES NOTHING.

mogel007 said...

Anyone can hire anyone to get rid of anyone. Wake up. No one is immune to death and danger no matter the size of your pocket book.

mogel007 said...

The bankers in Habakuk's vision were the one's that were destroyed and the ones that needed to wake up, not vice versa. You've got the power structure and the end story wrong. The People don't need to fear the power structure, as it will be destroyed on it's own structure and merits as you reap what you sow. Eternal principles will destroy the system and God has already decreed it in vision. In another Bible translation it says "the creditors will rise up". Still in another Bible translation it says, "the debtors will rise up". Who puts us into debt? Who is the real creditor in the lending transaction with a bank? The scriptures are quite telling and clear on what is going to happen. Who has spoiled many nations? Isn't it the Federal Reserve and the World Bank?


Habakuk Chapter 2
The Lord admonishes patience and promises that the just will live by faith—The earth will be filled with knowledge about God—Idols have no power.

1 I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved.

2 And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

5 ¶ Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

6 Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?

8 Because thou hast spoiled many nations, all the remnant of the people shall spoil thee; because of men’s blood, and for the violence of the land, of the city, and of all that dwell therein.

9 ¶ Woe to him that coveteth an evil covetousness to his house, that he may set his nest on high, that he may be delivered from the power of evil!

mogel007 said...

Who is it that "increases that which is not his"? Don't the banks steal the promissory note and pay nothing for it to amass wealth that is not theirs? Aren't the banks all part of Babylon that is destined to be destroyed by prophecy, as it talks about this eventual event in the Book of Revelations too? The apostle John saw all of this and was a witness to all of this too.

Who is it that "will rise up"? Isn't it talking about the People that have been screwed?

mogel007 said...

Who can be the one that has spoiled many nations if it isn't talking about the corrupt lending and banking system we have? Reading the whole chapter in context it is apparent it is talking about the world bankers.

mogel007 said...

Their booties will be kicked. How is that possible if they own all the wealth? It's possible because the Lord decreed it for a later generation, our generation today.

mogel007 said...

As you said, they have so much money, they decide how the money is going to be spent, where it's going to be spent, which nations get the money, they can hurt and cause famines, shortages, and wars, etc. anywhere they want. They can even destroy nations.

mogel007 said...

https://www.studylight.org/bible/nas/habakkuk/2-7.html

mogel007 said...

New Century Version
"One day the people from whom you have taken money will turn against you. They will realize what is happening and make you shake with fear. Then they will take everything you have.

mogel007 said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgsq09AqE1M

The actual eviction of Heather Ann Tucci Jaraff from her home. She used her own house as a scapegoat to prove the fraudulent dealings of the banking system. That takes something special that you don't see very often. Whether you like her or not, it sure takes somebody special to get a whole corrupt court system shut down. LOL I've only seen that done one other time. She had a legitimate question, what authority did the Sheriff have to evict her from her home? The Sheriff's answer was because he's the Sheriff. Not a good answer as it insinuates as Sheriff he can do whatever he wants, including arresting anyone he wants. Heather knew she was getting arrested.

mogel007 said...

Heather's home is still vacant. Apparently the bank foreclosed, evicted her, and have done nothing to sell Heather's property since 2011! I wonder why? Isn't it interesting that the Sheriff evicts you without a writ as the Sheriff refused to show Heather a writ signed by a Judge. Do Judges not sign writs in foreclosure cases? As a landlord, I always need a writ to legally evict someone who is renting my house.

mogel007 said...

Do all Sheriffs go to a bullying school? "If you even touch me you will be arrested for assault." LOL How about if I spit on you? Does that count?

Course if you are the owner of the home, you can't be evicted, since only tenants can legally be evicted.

mogel007 said...

Maybe her illegal eviction had something to do with getting the Court there shut down.

OMO said...

Mogel said...Anyone can hire anyone to get rid of anyone. Wake up. No one is immune to death and danger no matter the size of your pocket book.

________________

Yes, anyone can get rid of anyone. But the PTB has a license to do it, if they don't like you, to kidnap you, to kill you, to pick you up and send you to the grey bar on any trumped up charges they feel they can get away with.

OMO said...

Mogel said... If they own everything, how did President Trump become President as he is not one in the Bildeburger Group like Hillary Clinton. The far left have tried everything to get him impeached, but to date, it's all lies to get him out of office, and their power seems limited because they can't get rid of one man with all their wealth and influence and he hasn't been killed yet, has he?
_________________________________


Like Hillary, Trump has never opposed the money cabal. The day he does is the day he will no longer be President. lol

OMO said...


Like Hillary, Trump has never opposed the money cabal. They will let him stay in office as long as he doesn't oppose the money cabal. Anyone can run for President and stay President against any other opposition, as long as they don't oppose the money cabal. lol

persistancepays said...
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persistancepays said...

"They own you because they can buy/hire anyone to get rid of you. Wake up.

lol


ye, just axe dat 32 guy....if you culd still axe him...his number came up...32...

in the eye talian langage, the number 32 is spell 'trentadue'

pron.) trenta-due-ay

persistancepays said...

"So you are saying there is no such thing as a bribe because the bankers own everything, the courts, the police, the politicians, etc. If they own everything,


THEY DONT OWN EVERYTHING...THEY DONT OWN/CONTROL BITCOIN WHICH IS GOING TO DEFACTO TAKE THEIR CONTROL AWAY BY PUTTING THE FED RES OUT OF BUSINESS

AS BTC PASSES $10K PER..IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO, IF NOT RIGHT NOW...

GOOD BYE FED RES....WHICH MEANS GOOD BYE GOVT AS YOU KNOW IT BECASE STATES WILL COLLAPSE WITH THE COLLAPSE OF FIAT FRNs...

persistancepays said...

after all the wrong dates given for the 'jubilee year' it now starts for real beginning on 11-29-17

50 years after isreal became a nation again.

yes, i know taht 5-14-48 they had the offical ceremony and all treaties with other countries were now in effect.

BUT

it was on 11-29 taht the untied nations approved their petition put forth by the brits/ball 4 declartion


want mroe proof taht was the date?

just lookit?

you know that loony marty loves nimbers with 11's in em

SO

11-29-47

ho many 11s yo got in they?

11-29-47

JACKPOT!!!!

ALL THREE NUMBERS ADD UP TO OR HAVE AN 11 IN THEM!!!

IT LIKE 7-7-7 IN A CASINO

/S/ I. LOU MINOTTI
PRESIDENT/CEO, THE CONTROL GROUP

lol

persistancepays said...

On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews, allowing for the formation of the Jewish state of Israel.

Since 1917, Palestine had been under the control of Britain, which supported the creation of a Jewish state in the holy land. Sympathy for the Jewish cause grew during the genocide of European Jews during the Holocaust. In 1946, the Palestine issue was brought before the newly created United Nations, which drafted a partition plan.

The plan, which organized Palestine into three Jewish sections, four Arab sections and the internationally-administered city of Jerusalem, had strong support in Western nations as well as the Soviet Union. It was opposed by Arab nations.

The General Assembly voted, 33-13, in favor of partition, with 10 members, including Britain, abstaining. The six Arab nations in the General Assembly staged a walkout in protest. The New York Times reported: “The walkout of the Arab delegates was taken as a clear indication that the Palestinian Arabs would have nothing to do with the Assembly’s decision. The British have emphasized repeatedly that British troops could not be used to impose a settlement not acceptable to both Jews and Arabs, and the partition plan does not provide outside military force to keep order. Instead, it provides for the establishment of armed militia by the two nascent states to keep internal order.”

Six months later, on May 14, 1948, Jewish leaders in the region formed the state of Israel. British troops left, thousands of Palestinian Arabs fled and Arab armies invaded Israel. In the Arab-Israeli War, Israel defeated its enemies. It was the first of several wars fought between Israel and its neighbors.

persistancepays said...

and even more proof, is that the last 'event' was also 50 years earlier, in 1917

-CASE CLOSED-


and throw in more loony marty numbers too fo good meshure

The General Assembly voted, 33-13, in favor of partition

33

13

and the total number of eligible voters

56

5+6 = ....yo no what it is

persistancepays said...

i give heather credit tho, for a woman, she has b@@ls....to put your house at risk just to make a point...

i dont think that its a coincidence tho that it happen in tennesee.

maybe god is rebooting the events there to replay events to see if that corrupt judge/ police/law enfringement officers are still around?

to flush them out by giving them another chance to do to them what they illegally did to jerry kane.

rember him?

po basturd.

refrest yo memry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBFblUr05o


agian a 'special place' in hell awiats these. god doesnt forget....same thing to kane as taht trentadue guy.

tennesee has s

persistancepays said...

some evil bastards there

persistancepays said...

n speeking of 'secret prisons'

USA TODAY

U.S. Coast Guard operating secret floating prisons in Pacific Ocean

Traci Tong, PRI Published 3:43 a.m. ET Nov. 28, 2017 | Updated 8:12 a.m. ET Nov. 28, 2017

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/28/u-s-coast-guard-operating-secret-floating-prisons-pacific-ocean/900462001/

OMO said...

Mogel said... "Isn't it interesting that the Sheriff evicts you without a writ as the Sheriff refused to show Heather a writ signed by a Judge. Do Judges not sign writs in foreclosure cases? As a landlord, I always need a writ to legally evict someone who is renting my house."

_____________________

Rental evictions are no different--the paperwork is an unlawful detainer without signed writ. Neither Heather nor the sheriff nor the court can prove they own the house but guess who gets it? The sheriff has police force to back him up, that's all he needs to get you out of the house.

mogel007 said...

https://pastebin.com/fVpV5Wgt

This claims to be the process to effectively discharge debt.

persistancepays said...

amnother one of these 'novel' ideas like the many thousands put forth over the years....only to suck ppl in and then when they go try to use them, get themseves in a heap of sheet.

just like dg, and now heathers tda and the many, many before him...jerry kane, etc

no, its going to be btc thats going to put these evil basturds all out of biz..

yes, lets go check right now how mucha bitcoin is worth....google bitcoin price..

About 12,800,000 results (0.38 seconds)

Search Results

1 Bitcoin equals

10686.19 US Dollar

there it is right off google @ 10:40am EST ON 11/29/17

persistancepays said...

looks like it broke over the $10K mark...soon on its way to $20K from there on its way to $100K per...

yes, fiat FRNs will be out of biz permanently in about a year or 2, esp. when amzon and ebay accept them for payment.

persistancepays said...

no, it will be btc that puts the fiat frns out of biz for good in the next year or 2 when it passes 20k and evntually all the way to 100K per and on...

all the ptb ratchilds and such will be force to buy btc or lose purchasiing power...circular event....buying btc will force the price up, so those who were not as wealthy will not become wealthy...

result is that this will even the playing field for all.

whatcha gonna do with $1,000,000 in frns when noone wants them anymore???

you will buy btc is what you will do with it

i also imagine is that btc is how they will payout all the "programs" whether it be dg, tda accts, ucc-1 flliings, etc prosperity programs, bank roll accts...you name it, it will be paid in btc

persistancepays said...

and this will also happen becase the ptb themselves seem to want it.

dont forget that the ptb controlled THE ECONOMIST magaziene itself said that a good prectentage of the economy will be digital currency in 2018

go look it up if dont beleive it.

i think it was the first issue in jan 2017 or therabouts

the one with all cryptic messages show on a deck of playing cards

persistancepays said...

Bitcoin price soars above $11,000 as central bankers seek to calm fears

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/29/bitcoin-world-economy-bank-of-england-jon-cunliffe-price

persistancepays said...

sintral bankers...LOLLLOL!!!

its coming my friends...get use to it....!!!

persistancepays said...


News

China Moves on New World Order: Will Buy Oil With Gold-Backed Currency—Bypassing US Petrodollar


and this is also why the fiat is all coming down.

when you cant force countires to use it anymore, it becomes worthless good only in its country of origin

OMO said...

Elaine Brown in a medical center? I hope her health is not failing her.


https://www.change.org/p/8967188/u/22075079?utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_campaign=195670&sfmc_tk=PZXXboFKvwLbBee%2blS%2bFCRFeBKvabArFPBKakIwW1kqzb3DS%2bTQsXz2LAlRW7N8o&j=195670&sfmc_sub=383430562&l=32_HTML&u=36164587&mid=7259882&jb=11

Update Via John Lamb—Political prisoner names and addresses
Matthew Deatherage
Coos Bay, OR

Nov 29, 2017 — Some of these name's I've never even heard of. I wonder if they ever get any mail? Please take the time and write at least just one of these names. Send them a note of encouragement, let them know you're praying for them, and that you do care. You never know you might be the only one who sent them a letter just before Christmas. A couple of these men that I have got to know have have not even committed a crime of violence. There was no victim. Yet they sit in the darkest part of the prison with no human contact. Solitary confinement where every second turns into hours and the days become years.

#neverforgetourprisoners

INMATE MAIL
Political Prisoners incarcerated

Oregon
Awaiting sentencing
Jason Patrick #79454-065
PO Box 5000
Sheridan, OR 97378

Oregon
Just sentenced
Darryl Thorn #
11540 NE Inverness Drive
Portland, OR 97220

Oregon
sentencing to begin January 24th 2018
Duane Ehmer #
PO Box 5000
Sheridan Oregon 97378

Nevada

Currently in trial
Ammon E Bundy #79404-065
2190 East Mesquite Avenue
Pahrump, NV 89060

Currently in trial
Henderson Nevada
Ryan W Payne #79402-065
Cliven D Bundy #79563-065
PO Box 95050 - Henderson NV 89009

[snip]

persistancepays said...

.IRAQ DINAR


Nov. 28 2017 Dinar Detectives TNT: Central Bank of Iraq now has an active SWIFT Code! https://www.theswiftcodes.com/iraq/cbiriqba/ Plus, they are opening up Bank branches in other countries. Jordan and Saudi Arabia to be exact. No way any of this would be happening if we weren't right there.

persistancepays said...

funny, i jsut saw a video yesterday where the guy says that the bundys were all released.

hmmmmm....???

persistancepays said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVqSFwBMIds


bundys released says this guy

persistancepays said...

IF you a crupt offical,

-BEWARE- !!

Plans announced to bring Criminal Charges against Every Corrupt Government Official in America

Bill Windsor has announced plans to bring criminal charges against every corrupt government official in America as well as corrupt attorneys and others.

Bill Windsor has taken the leadership role in a new American revolution -- the Lawless America Revolution...a peaceful revolution organized to save America.

Now Bill Windsor is starting to share more of the details.

If you haven't seen the video titled "I Want My Country Back," please watch it, or read the text of the video reprinted below.


http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1202%3Aplans-announced-to-bring-criminal-charges-against-every-corrupt-government-official-in-america&catid=133%3Alawless-america-the-movie&Itemid=105

persistancepays said...

as btc approaches $11k per

1 Bitcoin equals
10890.18 US Dollar

@12:39pm EST 11-29-17

persistancepays said...

bye bye frns....c ya.....bit by bit, yo fallin apart like the worthless paper yo r

persistancepays said...

Do you know the legal definition of a Praecipe? regardless of Judge Shirley’s scripted stance of mockery of it..

Once you recall the answer to that, ponder why Thomas A. Varlan; a level 3 judge, of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee would pass on a purported “frivolous” made up thing that is not a real motion, onto a magistrate judge? (who happens to be retiring)

As a side note- Thomas A. Varlan, of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, as of November 22nd,has issued 13 sealed federal indictments since October 30th. This will let you know his level of “knowing” of what is going on behind the scenes.

Do you remember what Judge Varlan’s directive was to Judge Shirley when he passed the “hot potato” of the Praecipe over to Judge Shirley?

Once you recall the answer to that, recall what Judge Shirley decided to do , of his two choices… What was the title of the paperwork he filled? And NO, it was NOT a decision/motion/order/finding, contrary to various comments that incorrectly characterize it as such.

Explain why paperwork filed by the Chief Magistrate Judge in a federal court case with such a high profile case on November 17th, is still not showing up in Pacer or the syndicated feed of court documents? https://ia601502.us.archive.org/4/items/gov.uscourts.tned.82728/gov.uscourts.tned.82728.docket.html

persistancepays said...

the G love dose words....

...alleged...purported....etc...

the alleged, purported judge....shrilley...

persistancepays said...

1)

First its important to remember this case is Not happening in a vacuum- Meaning it is happening right at this moment in concert with all the other myriad of things you see/feel/alt media and MSM media reports of/ channeled messages/Quantum energy updates, descriptions/have a knowing of/direct experience of/passages in the bible/ancient texts/Indigenous lore/prophecies… just to name a few.

As such, when focusing on any one component of it or the whole unfolding narrative it is of great value to remember that we are not in a linear reality any longer. The planet is no longer residing in a 3 dimensional frequency bandwidth and vibrational frequency range. Which means you no longer reside there either. Though through programs and false construct narratives you may still be holding a predominate vibrational frequency of a slower lower vibrational bandwidth. Which will NOT be possible much longer. We are in a quantum flow and we are multidimensional beings beginning to learn how to notice/navigate/read the waters of… that Quantum flow while in embodiment.

A side note here: You do not have to believe this, know about this, or understand all of this for it to be the case. Just like someone who might think, of course there is justice. The government protects us, the Vegas shooting was done by one lone, looney middle aged guy who offed himself… Or a variety of other examples- They do not have to be “awake” to the truth about all of those things, the facts, details, specifics… that are all hidden in plain sight. That are clear as a bell for more and more people to see. The same expansion of perspective is needed to see the quantum…

persistancepays said...

2)

With that laid down as a platform for expanding ones perception and remembering/ or realizing:

The Judicial system is not what it is purported to be

This case is not a case that follows the “normal” script of what the judicial system masquerade says a purported federal case moves along in specific steps…

This case is an (Disclosure) OP, designed with specificity and particularity to reveal exactly what the “judicial system” Is. What it actually does. What the Courts actually are. What the prison system actually is… With the reveal at the core of that being what the financial system/monetary system/banking system/credit system… is actual built upon and what is the true Value that “funds” it all.

As with everything that is being revealed right now- Noticing the Dots!, connecting the dots, and then seeing how they Are ALL connected!, no matter what the sector/focus/players/system/scenario is. Will help you to not only see how it fits within the whole picture of the Great reveal End picture. But how to really see what the data is showing you and which are the important dots to pay attention to in this particular narrative of the purported court case unfolding in the Eastern Tennessee Federal circuit court system.

Do you know the legal definition of a Praecipe? regardless of Judge Shirley’s scripted stance of mockery of it..

Once you recall the answer to that, ponder why Thomas A. Varlan; a level 3 judge, of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee would pass on a purported “frivolous” made up thing that is not a real motion, onto a magistrate judge? (who happens to be retiring)

As a side note- Thomas A. Varlan, of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, as of November 22nd,has issued 13 sealed federal indictments since October 30th. This will let you know his level of “knowing” of what is going on behind the scenes.

Do you remember what Judge Varlan’s directive was to Judge Shirley when he passed the “hot potato” of the Praecipe over to Judge Shirley?

persistancepays said...

Once you recall the answer to that, recall what Judge Shirley decided to do , of his two choices… What was the title of the paperwork he filled? And NO, it was NOT a decision/motion/order/finding, contrary to various comments that incorrectly characterize it as such.

Explain why paperwork filed by the Chief Magistrate Judge in a federal court case with such a high profile case on November 17th, is still not showing up in Pacer or the syndicated feed of court documents? https://ia601502.us.archive.org/4/items/gov.uscourts.tned.82728/gov.uscourts.tned.82728.docket.html

Once you see that dot, you might reflect on whether or not a Foot-Note 17 is/can be directed at a document that does not even exist based on the courts own “legal” record. And what problems it will cause for the alleged judge Shirley when a document is filled that restates in full the report and recommendation, now putting it clearly in the record. That shows with specificity and particularity proof of refusal to provide documented, sworn, validated, and verified identification and lawful authority. Moreover, proof of collusion, ignorance, and corruption. All part of the Federal court record via audio, visual, and transcribed proceedings.

There are so many Dots that are blinking/highlighted/bold in this whole narrative that define/describe/illustrate with specificity and particularity the designated aim of the OP, as it was designed and put into action by all the players in all the agencies behind the scenes that are bringing all data into the light to be fully revealed.

It is one component of millions that are unfolding this very moment in time as ALL changes in ALL of Source’s Multiverses. Bar none.

You can notice and get an inkling at the very least of the steps unfolding behind the scenes. You will clearly see various steps revealed for all this week and the ones that follow.

Do I wish it would go faster, be more visibly demonstrable for all to see each moment? YES ! Mostly because of Randy and his current situation in light of recent events. Even though I know his background and his training for this, even in the midst of him not remembering all of it, on a cognitive, linear level… has equipt, him with what he needs to complete his role/mission, what he was moved to do.Do I understand why things are unfolding as they are given the “Galactic sized” import/scope/complexity of what the end focus is? YES !

persistancepays said...

This case is an (Disclosure) OP, designed with specificity and particularity to reveal exactly what the “judicial system” Is.

yes, it is crupt.

persistancepays said...

white ops, black ops, discloser ops.....

Dr. Caligari said...

ponder why Thomas A. Varlan; a level 3 judge, of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit,

What is a "level 3 judge"? I've practiced law for 39 years and I've never heard that term.

And Judge Varlan is not, and never has been, a judge of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.

Dr. Caligari said...

What was the title of the paperwork he filled? And NO, it was NOT a decision/motion/order/finding,

No, it was a "Recommendation." As I explained upthread, a Magistrate Judge cannot enter an order on a dispositive motion, under Rule 59(b) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure; the Magistrate can only make a recommendation to the District Judge. The "Order" will come from the Judge Varlan. (See Rule 59(b)(3)).

persistancepays said...

“As a side note- Thomas A. Varlan, of the United States Court of
Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, as of November 22nd,has issued 13
sealed federal indictments…”

What do judges have to do with issuing indictments? Indictments are the job of a Grand Jury.

persistancepays said...

Foot-Note at the bottom of Judge Shirley’s recommendation from November 16th; is November 30th the next step?
17Any objections to this report and recommendation must be served and filed within fourteen (14) days after service of a copy of this recommended disposition on the objecting party. Fed. R. Crim. P. 59(b)(2) (as amended). Failure to file objections within the time specified waives the right to review by the District Court. Fed. R. Crim. P. 59(b)(2); see United States v. Branch, 537 F.3d 582, 587 (6th. Cir. 2008); see also Thomas v. Arn, 474 U.S. 140, 155 (1985) (providing that failure to file objections in compliance with the required time period waives the right to appeal the District Court’s order). The District Court need not provide de novo review where objections to this report and recommendation are frivolous, conclusive, or general. Mira v. Marshall, 806 F.2d 636, 637 (6th Cir. 1986). Only specific objections are reserved for appellate review. Smith v. Detroit Federation of Teachers, 829 F.2d 1370, 1373 (6th Cir. 1987). 16 Case 3:17-cr-00082-TAV-CCS Document 62 Filed 11/16/17 Page 16 of 16 PageID #: 2910

persistancepays said...

sides, how can a judge issue a ruling on a alleged, purported "fictious document" ???

ie, what heather filed???

persistancepays said...

http://i-uv.com/docket-63-rkb-request-to-join-in-113017-co-defendant-filling-hatj/

UPDATE: 11.30.17

At approximately 5 AM EST, 11.30.17, Randy was moved to the Rodger D Wilson Detention Facility, in Knoxville TN.

He was moved there for his safety, after receiving a severe beating by gang of 3 inmates, in a “hit” ordered likely by The Texas Camp, on Fridayday November 24th, at approximately 6:25 PM EST .

Randy, is being settled in. The US Marshalls did show him all the mail he had received at Blount, during his transport to Rodger D Wilson. And Randy was blown away!, I’ve been telling him we need trucks to haul all of his love postcards from You, ; -) . They have not given the mail to him yet, but he hopes that will change. ~ bz

Please Flood The Rodger D Wilson Detention Facility with postcards for Randy!

Send to:

Rodger D Wilson Detention Facility
Randall Keith Beane ID# 1363357
5001 Maloneyville Rd
Knoxville, TN 37918

persistancepays said...

"...the Texas Camp..." ??????


what? can i google this?? who are these ppl?

persistancepays said...

careful with these basturds...if they think that they are really goong to lose, anything can happen...

the list goes on....dg group, jerry kane, the trentadue guy, randy weaver, etc....the bundys got lucky...so far...but dont join the list.....

may God be with you.....

persistancepays said...

so what is the deal with the subliminal black and white image of a small disc inside a large circle which flashes when you refresh the screen??

persistancepays said...

latest dox in the tda acct. submitted by heather on dec. 1, 2017

http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/December-1-2017-DECL-OF-NOTICE.pdf

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Dr. Caligari said...

http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/December-1-2017-DECL-OF-NOTICE.pdf

Doesn't look like Heather is going to get any review by the District Judge. From the Magistrate's Report and Recommendation: "The District Court need not provide de novo review where objections to this report and recommendation are frivolous, conclusive, or general. Mira v. Marshall, 806 F.2d 636, 637 (6th Cir. 1986). Only specific objections are reserved for appellate review. Smith v. Detroit Federation of Teachers, 829 F.2d 1370, 1373 (6th Cir. 1987)."

There's nothing "specific" about writing "refused for cause" on every page. She didn't even repeat her original arguments (frivolous as they were), so she has waived them.

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persistancepays said...

'frivolus' is an opnion.

granted it is the opnion of a judge who himself is frivolus.

round and round it goes......... (O)

OMO said...

According to Johnson's, frivolous means: Of no importance.



Of no importance to who? LOL





OMO said...

Of no importance to who? A judge who only thinks his opinion is important. lol

Dr. Caligari said...

funny, i jsut saw a video yesterday where the guy says that the bundys were all released.

hmmmmm....???


Released on bail. Still on trial.

Dr. Caligari said...

funny, i jsut saw a video yesterday where the guy says that the bundys were all released.

hmmmmm....???


Released on bail. Still on trial.

Dr. Caligari said...

funny, i jsut saw a video yesterday where the guy says that the bundys were all released.

hmmmmm....???


Released on bail. Still on trial.

persistancepays said...

are they locked up?

NO.


then they are released.

persistancepays said...

are they locked up?

NO.


then they are released.

persistancepays said...

are they locked up?

NO.


then they are released.

persistancepays said...

are they locked up?

NO.


then they are released.

persistancepays said...

are they locked up?

NO.


then they are released.

persistancepays said...

i dont care if they are released on mars, or released on snickers bars, or how they are released...bottom line is:

THEY ARE RELEASED.

persistancepays said...

i dont care if they are released on mars, or released on snickers bars, or how they are released...bottom line is:

THEY ARE RELEASED.

persistancepays said...

i dont care if they are released on mars, or released on snickers bars, or how they are released...bottom line is:

THEY ARE RELEASED.

persistancepays said...

Obviously there is a prob with the bog. It all blogged down

OMO said...

yes, can hardly post anything on it anymore. Wus up bog?

OMO said...

Too many messages on one thread maybe...

persistancepays said...

dont think that's it....IMO

persistancepays said...

dont think that's it....IMO

persistancepays said...

dont think that's it....IMO

OMO said...

Your post indicates you tried posting three times.

I was able to post a "test, test, test" message in the thread below this one on the first try. It didn't give me that error message that always seems to come up in this one.

OMO said...

I've posted to this thread many times and got the 509 error message. Sometimes it posts, sometimes it doesn't.

persistancepays said...

i had posted 3 times, but not in the 'normal' way, ie the time differences indicated on the post

i just kept hitting the 'post comment' 3 or 4 time within a minute and then left the blog altogether after getting no result, but apparently it 'stores' the posts somehow and remembers them and eventually posts them at some point.

persistancepays said...

ok, i figured it out. when i post, it seems to "stall" awaiting for me to view the post. now if i hit refresh, it turns out to have already been posted, but i would not otherwise be able to see it unless i refresh the screen.

so from now on, i will just give it a sec, and then refresh to view the post

persistancepays said...

lastest on final decree by judge on heather motion to dismiss

http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Doc-69-Memorandum-Opinion-and-Order-TAV-12-05-17.pdf

MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER
This criminal matter is before the Cour
t on the Report and Recommendation (the
“R&R”) entered by United States Magistrate J
udge C. Clifford Shirley, Jr., on November
16, 2017 [Doc. 62]. In the R&R, Magistra
te Judge Shirley reco
mmends that the Court
deny the defendants’ motion to dismiss the i
ndictment [Doc. 43] and deny the defendants’
many supplemental filings purporting to void th
e indictment and other parts of the record
[Docs. 42, 45, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55,
56, 57]. On November 30, defendant Tucci-
Jarraf filed a
pro se
document which the Court construes as
raising objections to the R&R
[Doc. 65]. Then, on December
1, defendant Tucci-Jarraf file
d a “Declaration of Receipt,
No Receipt, and Service,
” which the Court also construes
as raising objections to the R&R

persistancepays said...

Nevertheless, the Court has independently
reviewed the R&R and is in complete
agreement with Magistrate Judge Shirley’s
recommendations, which the Court adopts and
incorporates into this rulin
g. Accordingly, the Court
ACCEPTS IN WHOLE
the R&R
[Doc. 62]. Defendant Beane’s motions [Docs. 63,
67–68] to join the
filings of defendant
Tucci-Jarraf are hereby
GRANTED
.
Furthermore, to the extent they may be considered
motions, the defendants’ motion to dismiss
the indictment [Doc. 43] and supplemental
filings purporting to void the indictment and othe
r parts of the record
[Docs. 42, 45, 48, 49,
50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55,
56, 57] are all hereby
DENIED
.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
s/ Thomas A. Varla





looks like i wont be ordering a brand new cadillac anytime soon with $$$ from my TDA acct... :-(

OMO said...

Just tried to post on this thread without success. I'm going to start posting in the thread below this one.

persistancepays said...

dont give up just yet......

persistancepays said...

post on first try

sat. 12-9 @ 12:46am EST

Dr. Caligari said...

looks like i wont be ordering a brand new cadillac anytime soon with $$$ from my TDA acct... :-(

TANSTAAFL.

persistancepays said...

TANSTAAFL

????

Dr. Caligari said...

Google it.

Dr. Caligari said...

Google it.

mogel007 said...

Dr. Caligari said that the CMU (Communication Management Units) in Marion, IL and Terra Haute, Indiana, are part of the FBOP (Federal Bureau of Prisons).

Actually, this statement is more accurate: The CMU's are a CTU (Counter Terrorism Unit) facility for which the FBOP ARE ONLY CONTRACTORS.

mogel007 said...

TANSTAAFL (There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"), an acronym.

Of course there is, haven't you heard of "government welfare"? Section 8 Housing, Soup lines, such as "The Salvation Army", and "Church donations", they are abundant.

mogel007 said...

Course the premise is that the TDA's (Treasury Direct Accounts) were created at birth, and earned payments were made to this account each time the Birth Certificate was used or pledge in bond trading, as there is a legal mandate to pay a fee each time the birth certificate is used as collateral in these bank trading programs. The culmination of these fees are ours as the beneficiary and is earned income, not a handout, so your perception of reality is again flawed as it's not something for nothing. The banks have stolen if not hidden these accounts or made it impossible to get to them, and have used them for their own benefit, and the government seems to protect these banking criminals, so Heather & Randy are going to have a hard time proving their innocence as the cards were stacked against them, even before they started on their quest to get these accounts freed. The government considers people like Heather a terrorist; as their actions disrupts the status quo; that's why she was charged with the same charges that were lodged against Kurt & Scott. Since the government has shown it's easy to indict and get Kurt & Scott convicted, then Heather probably doesn't stand much of a chance either from avoiding prison time, but the people can't help rooting for or loving the underdog, can they?

mogel007 said...

The CTU personel are calling all of the shots, on what goes on inside these CMU's, not the FBOP. The FBOP are just working for the wishes of the CTU big shots, the "black opps" people really in charge. That's why they can get away with infringing upon Kurt's constitutional rights, refusing his complete access to the courts, stealing his paperwork and not delivering all of his mail, and denying access to legal counsel, and to all of his rights. There is a mistaken idea that you automatically lose all of your Civil rights just because you go to prison. Legally this is not true, but if you are illegally denied access to your rights, what are you going to do?

Dr. Caligari said...

Course the premise is that the TDA's (Treasury Direct Accounts) were created at birth,

What evidence do you have for that? Some guy's You-Tube video?

and earned payments were made to this account each time the Birth Certificate was used or pledge in bond trading,

Birth certificates are not bonds and are not pledged or traded.

as there is a legal mandate to pay a fee each time the birth certificate is used as collateral in these bank trading programs.

A legal mandate? What statute or case is that set down in?

The culmination of these fees are ours as the beneficiary and is earned income,

So you report it to the IRS every year?

mogel007 said...

You can't report what gains you don't know about. I have no idea what's in my TDA account of which I'm the beneficiary. At birth today when a child is born the TDA account set up is said to be started with at least 1.5 Million Dollars.

Anyway, if TDA accounts don't exist, and are just fantasy, then how did Randy buy and get possession and title to a half a million dollar motor home, and also buy CD's worth about a million dollars that if he ever gets out of jail and not convicted, he will still have access and title to? The Dept. of Justice wants to seize these assets for themselves. If the money from these accounts don't exist, where did this money come from to buy these things? That's the question no one can answer.

mogel007 said...

Why are the government agencies so interested in the births of children and tracking it might be a better question:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/illinois-government-pilots-blockchain-technology-for-birth-certificate-digitization

mogel007 said...

Colonel Edward Mandall House explained to President Wilson how the scam works:

“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our Chattel and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor or to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”

persistancepays said...

Mogel any further news re: dg. U can write me privately if u like?

thx

Dr. Caligari said...

I have no idea what's in my TDA account of which I'm the beneficiary. At birth today when a child is born the TDA account set up is said to be started with at least 1.5 Million Dollars.

Said by whom? The drunk on the street corner? Cite me the statute or regulation which creates these accounts and funds them.

Dr. Caligari said...

Colonel Edward Mandall House explained to President Wilson how the scam works:

“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging.


Do you have a reliable source for this quote?

persistancepays said...

yes. i was there when they created the federal reserve 'bank'

i talked with woodrow wilson who tried to oppose it. or was it andrew jackson?

eiether way, i was there.

dosent matter what anynun says, i was there. prrof that i wasnt there?

i was sorn to secretly.

there.

done.

persistancepays said...

prove this, prove that.

noone can prove anything because they hide all the info.

persistancepays said...

latest info on TDA accts:

12-12-17

http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/REJECTION_TAV_121217.pdf

mogel007 said...

http://www.freedom-school.com/truth/house.htm

"Colonel House became Wilson's closest unofficial advisor." He was offered any cabinet position in the Presidency except Secretary of State.

It was probably Colonel House's great influence that prompted President Wilson to say: "I have unwittenly ruined my Country", referring to helping get the Federal Reserve into power.

Dr. Caligari said...

prove this, prove that.

noone can prove anything because they hide all the info.


OK, then, persistancepays is a terrorist who bombed the World Trade Center, sank the Titanic and the Lusitania, and set off the A-bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I can't prove it because he hid the evidence.

persistancepays said...

Right! Just like the G do!

mogel007 said...

Dr. Caligari:

Why not prove that President Wilson DIDN'T SAY, "I have unwittendly ruined my country."

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100314132431AAFOaoH

Has any historians said or shown he didn't give that apology?

At least he was humble enough to admit he was wrong.

This registration of birth certificates and the income tax, and the FED didn't all start prior to 1913 as we had none of that stuff. All of this political agenda is intertwined, and was a conspiracy and was carefully planned, and was shown to be true by the evidence in the Book, "The Creature from Jekle Island."

persistancepays said...

ye! da critter fum jerk off eye land!!!

Dr. Caligari said...

This registration of birth certificates and the income tax, and the FED didn't all start prior to 1913 as we had none of that stuff.

1. Most U.S. states had birth certificates prior to 1900. There was no attempt by the federal government to make them uniform before 1946.
2. The U.S. had an income tax from 1861-1872.
3. There is much evidence that Wilson never said the "unwittingly ruined my country" quote:
https://www.salon.com/2007/12/21/woodrow_wilson_federal_reserve/
4. And even if all of those things were true, how does any of that prove that we all have secret treasury accounts that we are allowed to draw on? If such accounts existed, and we were legally entitled to draw on them, where is the law that says so? Please cite the title and section number of that law.

persistancepays said...

".....where is the law that says so? Please cite the title and section number of that law.


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mogel007 said...

So the article you listed basically says that President Wilson was very pleased with his help in ushering the Federal Reserve and had no regrets as he considered this one of his proud accomplishments. I really doubt the conclusion of this article as I don't think there is really anything of substance that supports that conclusion, but it's interesting how such a simple issue that should be easily established where we can all agree on, can still be debated even today.

There are government regulations ( I don't know if you can call them laws), that talk about these TDA's and even tells you the requirements on how to access these accounts. I have them somewhere in my notes, as I would have to find all of that. I know a guy on the internet named, "Eeon" on many utube videos spells all of this out, as you could find it that way, or google it. I believe people get into legal trouble like Heather because they don't follow the regulations in print already established. There are remedies to all of these type of things if you can only find all of the pieces of the puzzle. The government doesn't make this quest easy on purpose I believe.

mogel007 said...

You can listen to this video as it cites regulations on how to access your TDA according to Eeon's own research:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dRPD3q5lro

Dr. Caligari said...

Why don't you just cite the regulations for me?

persistancepays said...

someone will eventually breakthrough on all this stuff...tda's, mortgage elimination, global collateral accounts, irs, etc, etc

as each takes their shot, they expose more of the system, in the case of tda accts, the fact that they actually exist. next figure out how to access and not get arrsted.

so on and on it goes...

and what maeks it harder is they also keep moving the goalposts which takes more effort and research.

even like the ucc code.

they always would say to use ucc 1-207 on any signature.

now for the last 5 years or so it has changed to ucc 1-308

im sure that even the tda rules will change as they sense that more 'researchers' are getting close to solving it.

first proving that they exist

and next how to access/keep proceeds/not get arrested.... round and round it goes O

persistancepays said...

even at 20:00 minutes exacctly, the guy in mongrels video EEON, say that quote:

"....they keep changing the system..."

EOS

(end of story)

persistancepays said...

tda, mortgage elimination, access SS acct, birth cert acct, global collateral acct., prosperity funds, accepted 4 value, 1099 OID, federal reserve acct., debt elim with ucc, copyright your name ALL CAPS,

any i forgot??

even down to bruly b@@ls HYPEs

even bruly b@@l himself.

LOL

persistancepays said...

for those who think that bitcoin is going anywhere, read:

$19,000: Bitcoin Hits New All Time High After Burst Of Asian Buying; Bigger Than Wells, Wal-Mart

Bitcoin's market cap is now greater than Bank of America at $302 billion, as well as Wells Fargo ($295 billion), Wal-Mart ($288 billion), and Visa ($257 billion). It is fast approaching Exxon at $352 billion, but the real bogey is JPMorgan whose $368 billion market cap is now just $50 billion away.

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with such a YUUUUUUGE market cap, bitcoin is not gong anywhere.

even tho they stole the idea from ebullion...no matter.....

they may as well adopt a type of cryptocard similar to ebulluion to make for a safer transactions.

persistancepays said...

List of Large Caps in this Slideshow:

TOP 20 MARKET CAP COMPANIES


Large Cap Company Ticker Market Cap
($in billions)


1)Apple Inc AAPL 892.70
2)Microsoft Corporation MSFT 668.94
3)Amazon.com Inc AMZN 568.19
4)Facebook Inc FB 429.69
5)Johnson & Johnson JNJ 382.72
6)Alphabet Inc GOOG 371.91
7)JPMorgan Chase & Co JPM 368.28
8)Exxon Mobil Corp XOM 351.81
9)Alphabet Inc GOOGL 319.76

*BITCOIN (updated right now) BTC 305.28

10)Bank of America Corp. BAC 302.91
11)Wells Fargo & Co. WFC 294.82
12)Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. WMT 287.68
13)Berkshire Hathaway Inc BRK.B 264.41
14)AT&T Inc T 234.76
15)Procter & Gamble Company (The) PG 233.12
16)Chevron Corporation CVX 227.41
17)Pfizer Inc PFE 221.74
18)UnitedHealth Group Inc UNH 214.96
19)Verizon Communications Inc VZ 214.86
20)Home Depot Inc HD 213.21

persistancepays said...



Name Market Cap Price Volume (24h) # of BTC

Bitcoin $320,834,441,598 $19,159.40 $11,769,100,000 16,745,537 BTC

AS OF 12:51PM EST 12-16-17


the market cap of 305 that i posted minutes ago is already obsolete by 15 billoins wow!!

persistancepays said...

320 billion doolas!! omg!!!

persistancepays said...

certainly johnson & johnson is withing striking distance in 2018
making btc #5 on the all-time list

they can easily pick up antoher $60 billion in market cap in the next 12 moths.

at that point, facebook will be within reach @ #4

can you say amazon too at $568,000,000,000.00 ??

rember, its only a 30% increase in price once it passes facebook.....AND thats IF amazon doesnt drop in stock price

persistancepays said...

and while all this tda acct. stuff is going on, does anyone know that chicago illinois is now under UN occupation as the mayor just request UN troops to patrol the city?

persistancepays said...

latest on tda: 12-15-17

mail retruned as 'undeliverable'

not quite sure what this means?

are they out of jail as it cannot be forwared to them??

http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Pacer-Filing-History-12-15-17-at-11-23-32-EST.pdf

http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/DOC-70-EDT-MOO-to-RKB-at-Blount-Mail-Returned.pdf



http://i-uv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Pacer-Filing-History-RKB-Seperate-File-Docket-List-12-15-17-as-of-12-02-PM-EST.pdf

persistancepays said...

oh ok, forgot that he was transferred. got it!

mogel007 said...

Mistrial declared in Bundy case, and it looks like another trial won't happen:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mistrial-declared-nevada-armed-standoff-us-agents-182029987.html

Looks like the Federal Government is giving up. LOL Maybe they don't want their murdering and stealing exposed now.

OMO said...

The problem with Trump is that he thinks he is God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqVJmzqzds Ken O'Keefe:

5:05:

"I believe in justice. It is not just for a state like Israel to be created on the back of dispossessing people who have lived there for millennium. The creation of Israel itself is an illegal act. It did not take into account the rights of the people who lived there and we have millions of Palestinian refugees who have no right whatsoever to return to so-called Israel because they're not Jewish. This whole thing is a monstrosity and to allow the so-called Jewish state to even take West Jerusalem for that matter is, in my opinion, unjust. Whether you believe in the Palestinian cause or the Jewish cause or the American cause, whatever, if we look at life, if we look at politics through the prism of a just and fair-minded assessment, it is not fair for Palestine to be a fragment of what is was because the creation of Israel itself was totally unlawful. I hope that the Palestinians to do accept the deal in which they only receive East Jerusalem because I do not believe the two-state solution at all. In fact I believe it is a greatest disaster..


Listen to the first five minutes of this, starting after the 2:00 min mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLEaLUliR-8&t=338s

OMO said...

edited in CAPS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqVJmzqzds


Ken O'Keefe: 5:05: "I believe in justice. It is not just for a state like Israel to be created on the back of dispossessing people who have lived there for millennium. The creation of Israel itself is an illegal act. It did not take into account the rights of the people who lived there and we have millions of Palestinian refugees who have no right whatsoever to return to so-called Israel because they're not Jewish. This whole thing is a monstrosity and to allow the so-called Jewish state to even take West Jerusalem for that matter is, in my opinion, unjust. Whether you believe in the Palestinian cause or the Jewish cause or the American cause, whatever, if we look at life, if we look at politics through the prism of a just and fair minded assessment, it is not fair for Palestine to be a fragment of what is was because the creation of Israel itself was totally unlawful. I hope that the Palestinians DO NOT accept the deal in which they only receive East Jerusalem because I do not believe the two-state solution at all. In fact, I believe it is a greatest disaster..."

OMO said...


"Trump must reverse his decision. Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine." !!!
A Palestinian

mogel007 said...

"The problem with Trump is that he thinks he is God."

Is that your admission that you believe in God and that God is real?

OMO said...

No. You know what I mean.

mogel007 said...

You know I'm highly amused when I see and hear someone who is obviously Anti-God or Anti-Christian by their actions and speech, and beliefs, and they'll do something involuntarily like hurt their hand with a hammer or fall down or something like that, and the first thing that comes out of their mouth is: "God Damn it". LOL

Yea, call upon a Being you don't believe in, and ask him to create a curse against someone or some thing. Yea, that makes alot of sense.

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