Saturday, January 07, 2006

Tough Talk

I used to do some boxing in my younger days and I was remotely famous. They used to call me “Canvass Kurt”. I had an exceptional left nostril lead and could bruise the knuckles of any opponent with my face. So if you’re wondering where all the tough talk comes from, it is my much battle experience. It supplies me with endless confidence. Actually I do have the enemy right where I want them, feeling confident. Watch how their hands will lose all power when I face them. All kidding aside, those of you who fear the corrupt big mouths have no battle experience. There are ways to judge real danger and others to discover braggadocios peacock feathering. Jail is not a knockout punch. It is just a jab to get me in the mood. They better have a good fight plan because I was not near as bad as described above. I’m in the mood and asked to be placed on this card long before them. I am not the challenger in this fight; they will have to be a complete fighter, because jabs don’t faze me, to take my belt. I truly do want to hear those words “Let’s get ready to rumble.” In this corner we have the people’s truth, and in this corner we have the banker’s puppet.

48 comments:

ticktoc123 said...

I'd like to write Kurt. Does anyone know his current address?
Thanks

Solvo said...

Kurt F Johnson 291301
c/o Salt Lake County Metro Jail
3415 South 900 West
Salt Lake City, Utah 84119

Ace said...

sd, Sorry about that. That post was for yeahright not for you.

Real Estate Observer said...

"whistleblower" get a life.

What a sad group of people here. Basically you guys are "takers". You want people to lend you money and you want "jesus" to let you reneg on the loan. You are all dishonorable, plain and simple. I wouldn't lend a dime to any of you. Hell I wouldn't rent a place to you either, I bet you guys are the types who always try to give some fancy reason to the landlord why you can't pay the rent on time.

usarock said...

Kurt worries more about his $20 commissary that someone stole from him than the millions in cash and homes he stole from others.

Way to go canvas Kurt

WillToFight said...

After seeing the DVD for the first time.

Awesome, Awesome, Awesome and indisputable evidence that this process should and will work.

The one eyed giant is so big and bad. It just holds you down from all it fraudulent influence.

This is a David and Goliath story. History in the making folks!

REALESTATE OBSERVER Who are you a Foreclose specialist. You immoral bastard. Get ready to find a new field. Of course you've been so programmed, you are most likely incapable of making an honest living?

What up Solvo, Big O, SD even Taco.

Notice I used Taco in the correct individual form. Hey Taco did you see the DVD's?

sd said...

"Real Estate Observer said...
"whistleblower" get a life.

What a sad group of people here. Basically you guys are "takers". You want people to lend you money and you want "jesus" to let you reneg on the loan. You are all dishonorable, plain and simple. I wouldn't lend a dime to any of you. Hell I wouldn't rent a place to you either, I bet you guys are the types who always try to give some fancy reason to the landlord why you can't pay the rent on time."


Yes, real estate observer, most in this group profess to believe in Jesus and because of that faith they also believe in Truth.
And while, at some point in time, they have gone to the banks to get loans and to borrow money, their experiences have shown them that a great fraud has been committed against them as well as the rest of us (including you).
Some of the people in this group started out fighting this battle out of necessity, some out of desire to correct an injustice and yes, some out of greed. But the truth still remains that all along, the so called "Lenders" are not really lenders at all, they are Deceivers. You have just not realized it yet. But it will come to you in time. And when you and others like you realize that this great fraud is affecting you personally, you will look around and wonder why others can't see it too.
I have no way of foretelling what the outcome of this endeavor will bring, whether Kurt and Scott's original motives were truly pure, or whether enough other people will ever join in this fight for what is right to correct the problem; but I do know that when I ask people to lend me money, I expect for them to lend me money and not just do some fancy paperwork and deceive me into thinking I have received something of value FROM THEM.
I know you will now say that "you did receive something of value" But I ask you, where was the ORIGINAL SOURCE of what I received? Until you can, through understanding, answer that question, you will never understand any of this quest.
This process of lending/deception that is currently being used by the banks is killing our children’s future, It is corrupt beyond measure, and whether this particular group is using the right methods to fight this injustice or not... AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING.
I often pray for wisdom of understanding because I realize that I do not know everything. But when something like this injustice is revealed to me so clearly, I have no choice but to fight it. Say anything you wish, try to cast doubts, try to use people's guilt to change their minds into thinking they are doing something wrong. Use any method you wish, but some of these people here received their understanding from the same source as I and no amount of insults and no amount of false claims are ever going to change the truth that has been revealed to us through the light.
The light of understanding.
I pray that this light will shine upon you and others and that you don't have to wait to see it till AFTER you have been forced through enough suffering to open your eyes.

Judge Roy Bean said...

SD said: "I expect for them to lend me money and not just do some fancy paperwork and deceive me into thinking I have received something of value FROM THEM.
I know you will now say that "you did receive something of value" But I ask you, where was the ORIGINAL SOURCE of what I received? Until you can, through understanding, answer that question, you will never understand any of this quest.
"

If you really understood mortgage lending and hadn't fallen for the bogus schemes promoted by the fraudsters like Johnson, you'd also be able to admit that the previous owner of the property or the builder got paid for it and that you now own it and have possession of it for your use. If you fail to live up to the terms of the agreement you signed, the lein on the property protects the holder-in-due-course's interest in the note, and it can be taken from you to satisfy that agreement.

And you probably won't want to admit you don't know where the funds actually came from - you just take the fraudster's word for it. You conveniently don't want to understand wholesale lending, conduits or securitization; that wouldn't fit the mythology surrounding the evil banking empire.

When you use a credit card, do you know the source of the funds used to pay the retailer? I seriously doubt it. From one hour to the next the credit card company may be temporarily borrowing from any number of sources to make those account payments.

As at least one court has noted about these kinds of banking myths you've been hoodwinked into believing, you might as well be trying to convince the world that the sun and the stars circle around the earth.

Sorry. The world is not flat; we do orbit the sun; men did walk on the moon; Elvis is dead, and SD, you've been scammed into believing utter nonsense that has done some serious harm to a large number of people when they try to use it to get out of having to make the mortgage payments.

Shame on all of you who keep luring people into these traps. You're worse than the predatory lenders.

Clueless Fudd said...

Judge Roy Bean said...

Now that I've given my daily PROPAGANDA, I think I will go fuck myself.

Well said JRB, Give it to yourself really good, and if you need a tutor, Elmer is available.

sd said...

Judge Roy Bean,

Since according to you, I know nothing and have been scammed, please straighten me and others out by explaining a few things for us.

By answering just a few questions, you can reveal this utter nonsense for what it really is and then (as you call it) the myth will be busted.

With the vast knowledge of the workings of the universe and banking you have, surely you can explain to us where the money does come from when a person goes to the bank to get a loan.

Just to get you started I will ask a couple of questions.

Does the money come from depositers funds as we have all been led to believe?

Does the money come from the banks' own assets?

I yeild the floor to you to explain the source of the funds.

Thank you in advance

Elmer Fudd said...

Clueless Fudd said...
Judge Roy Bean said...

Now that I've given my daily PROPAGANDA, I think I will go fuck myself.

Well said JRB, Give it to yourself really good, and if you need a tutor, Elmer is available.

Lmao Hey Clue i know your the expert at kissing ass and sucking the ol schlong..Better get off the computer before daddy comes home. Hey will only DvD's your looking at are probaly disney movies. My guess it would be snow white and the seven Dwarfs. Kurt's Snow white and you, Clue, Solvo, etc are the dwarfs.. Keep kissing that fat ass of kurt's, you'll get places that way. A free and clear 8x10 jail cell to call your own..

against_the_odds said...

The BIGGEST two holes in JRB's misleading post are:

1. "If you fail to live up to the terms of the agreement you signed..."

Oh, you mean the contract they didn't sign? What about Breech of contract? Unjust enrichment? Deception? Fraud?


2. "...the lein on the property protects the holder-in-due-course's interest in the note"

So then, why is it that when requested to provide the "original" note which would prove they are the holder-in-due-course, they cannot produce it and thusly are not the "holders-in-due-course" as you allege? P.S. to further make my point, you must have meant "lien" not "lein..."

Judge Roy Bean said...

SD - "Does the money come from depositers funds as we have all been led to believe?"

Rarely. And no one has led you to believe that for many, many years. You're stuck in the "It's a Wonderful Life" mentality. Lending funds mostly come from securitization channels.

SD - "Does the money come from the banks' own assets?"

Rarely. You have fallen into the trap of ignorance by refusing to recognize the difference between loan origination and traditional banks and securitization.

Originators simply borrow money from a large number of sources to temporarily make loans that are then sold through conduits into the securities market. Only the bond holders see lending as a long-term investment.

Banks play a smaller role in the mortgage market the same way, using funds that they can get at the best possible rate to maximize the return to their stockholders. Some, if not most of the loans they originate end up being sold into the secondary market for any number of reasons, including risk management.

SD - "I yeild the floor to you to explain the source of the funds.

Thank you in advance."

Done. Your overly-simplistic view is putting you at the mercy of the fraudsters.

Judge Roy Bean said...

against-the-odds - don't get yourself wrapped up the "they-didn't-sign-it" issue. That's a no-win from the get-go. And if you can prove any allegations of fraud, you might have a viable case, but it won't be built on the BS the fraudsters sell people with their claims about the invalidity of the banking system.

The roots of this BS are deep into the conspiracy nut camps and are nothing more than a way for the promoters to take advantage of people by selling them the supposed secrets and "truth." Then it gets spread all over the Internet, gets people slammed in the courts and suddenly the perpetrators conveniently blame the court system for not paying attention to their utterly bogus mythology. So then they have more BS to sell to the unwitting.

There are serious issues surrounding the production of the original documents in foreclosures. It is a nightmare hundreds, maybe thousands of honest people with predatory servicers after their equity face on a daily basis. MERS compounds the problem, providing a smokescreen some of these corporate crooks use to make it difficult for a pro se litigant to defend themesleves. The courts are divided on how some of these issues fit into the recording rules on a state-by-state basis.

The fact is, record keeping is horribly sloppy on the part of the predators - IMHO, deliberately so. But they have unchecked power to "prove" someone is in default and move against them to take their property illegally.

Then the real victim starts looking for help - and sure enough, there are more fraudsters out there touting this mortgage elimination crap that can somehow save their home. All they have to do is pay someone that convinces them that the "banks" (which make very few loans) did something illegal and suddenly, they can save their home.

BS. It doesn't work. It won't work, and the whole thing of luring real victims into this is more than just annoying.

Gforce said...

Does one need to really understand all the fine details about mortgages? Yes, as far as one's comprehension will allow. But anyone can understand this----God said--"...woe(this means something bad will happen)to those who loads himself with promissory notes for usury."Habakkuk 2:6 Amplified. Apparently in God's opinion, promissory notes for usury are evil--hence the woe(judgement). Why would ANYONE try to defend something God has ALREADY judged as evil. JRB----think about who's side you are defending. You only have two choices and we all know you are NOT defending God's side.

habakkuk said...

JRB, Dude, you are in serious denial man. Why dont u just take the blue pill and go back to your world. We'll try and find another person who is hungry for truth..ok.

WillToFight said...

JRB said

If you really understood mortgage lending and hadn't fallen for the bogus schemes promoted by the fraudsters like Johnson, you'd also be able to admit that the previous owner of the property or the builder got paid for it.

Will to Fight reply

You see judge this is where you error. It has been explained and show to you more the many times.

One question Judge. Yes, a payoff was made to the previous owner of the property. Where did that asset/money come from?

When your able to answer that question accurately JRB you might become one of us!


IF YOU DON'T GET IT YOU DON'T GET IT!

Wonderful Post as usual SD!

WillToFight said...

JRB you finally answered a question correctly but fail to understand it's implications.

JRB said

Banks play a smaller role in the mortgage market the same way, using funds that they can get at the best possible rate to maximize the return to their stockholders. Some, if not most of the loans they originate end up being sold into the secondary market for any number of reasons, including risk management.

My question JRB

Then where does a bank have standing to forclose. You've annswered that they are not the holder in due course. Although you did not realize you answered it.

Many holes in your other arguments!

WillToFight said...

JRB you just might become one of us some day.

LET GO OF YOU EGO! YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT YOU DEALING IN PRESUMTION/ASSUMPTION AND OPINION!

Just tell us why the banks are able to break federal and local laws where most of us can't even speed, or jaywalk!

The harm that they are causing should get the death penalty, and I don't believe in the death penalty!

WillToFight said...

Why CAN THE BANK BREAK AT WILL FEDERAL AND LOCAL LAW?????????????

mogel said...

JRB said: "Originators simply borrow money from a large number of sources to temporarily make loans that are then sold through conduits into the securities market."

Another half truth. Originators couldn't do this & borrow funds if they didn't automatically FIRST get the same credit from the promissory note which has equal value to the loan given, yet the originators won't return the "deposit" of the borrower that has equal value of the loan given. The lender got the note for no consideration.
Since the lender/originator DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO LEND, they must create the credits through stealing (not paying for) the borrowers promissory note which is INDORSED, FORGED, & banked & becomes an asset to the lender. Once they have this,the lender now has funds & they can use the promissory note to borrow funds to pay off the Seller of the home. thus no assets of their own was risked. This is where the unjust enrichment, nondisclosure & stealing comes in that JRB, or the loan originators won't recognize or acknowlege for it exposes the fraud that the value for the loan is created by the borrower by taking advantage of the borrowers ignorance of how the lending process works behind the scenes.

This is not something made up by selfish promoters as verified by the Bible & people like Henry Ford, Thomas Jefferson, & others who spoke of this fraud. JRB, do you think that these respected people were lying promoters too? Federal reserve publications are clear how this works also.

mogel said...

At that point when the bank alters the promissory note, the bank is changing the agreement you thought you had with them, that the bank was going to give you a loan. Banks deposit promissory notes, just like federal reserve notes (cash) or checks, since promissory notes are assets and are valuable to the banks, but most consumers don't understand this. You say what? I didn’t know promissory notes were valuable to the banks? Take a look at the definition of “Bank” in the 4th Edition of Black’s Law Dictionary: “An institution, of great value in the commercial world, empowered to receive deposits of money, to make loans, and to issue its promissory notes (designed to circulate as money, and commonly called, ‘bank notes’ or ‘bank bills’) or to perform any one or more of these functions.”
Unknown to the borrower, in the loan process, a transactional account is opened up in the name of the borrower, & this promissory note after being altered becomes money when altered & deposited. Now the bank has an asset to financially back the check that they write to the Seller of the house you are buying. Since the Seller was paid off, you think that the bank gave you a loan. The bank used YOUR money to buy the home you purchased by the power of your signature, which signature is valuable because it is backed by your ability to produce goods, labor and service. The problem with this transaction is that when the bank accepted your promissory note, they listed this as an asset on their accounting records too and never paid you for this asset (your deposit). This is where the fraud comes in. When banks give loans, their assets and liabilities BOTH increase accordingly in the amount of the loan. This promissory note has value and the bank should have given you a receipt for this, and the bank still owes you for your "deposit", just the same as you had opened up a checking or savings account and deposited monies in their institution. Your deposit in essence becomes a liability to the bank that they must RETURN back to you on demand, but they never do.

sd said...

JRB,

First, remember that we can agree to disagree and still have discussion.

Some of my thoughts on the origin of the money.
A form of money came into existance by the stroke of my "JOHN HANCOCK'.
Unknown to me at the time but the note became a security upon my signing it.

I don't know about others notes but my note says that I must be notified "at least 15 days" ahead of the note being sold or transferred.
I have never been notified of such a sale. And surely not 15 days before I went to the bank with the intent to borrow funds from them.

If the bank had to sell the note to obtain the money to fund my loan, then they can no longer be the "holder in due course".
If Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or someone like that bought/aquired/accepted transfer of the note from the bank then they must be the "holder in due course". But I was never notified of a sale to them nor was I ever given a reciept for my security.

If the bank states that they gave me credit instead of money then should I not be allowed to pay them back in kind?

You know apples for apples?

Without being the holder in due course, how is the bank legally entitled to foreclose on anything?

I'm sure you will disagree, but something in this type transaction smells a little fishy to me.

Gotta go for now.

By the way, a sincere Thank You for being more civil on your last few posts.
I really do appreciate it.

Now maybe myself and others should work on being a little more civil to you.

sd

neodemes said...

mogel says:

"The bank used YOUR money to buy the home you purchased".

Obviously, they did not. Yes, your signature on the note allows them to get the backing for the money, but it certainly doesn't come from the signer - that notion is ludicrous.

Get over it already. You don't like the way financing works, don't finance.

Sucking people into a faulty 'process' to the tune of thousands and standing by while some of them lose their homes, singing the evil bankster blues was, is, and will always be WRONG.

There is only one way to eliminate a mortgage. Pay it. Want to pay less interest? Pay directly against the principle. You'll knock years and thousands off your loan.

Stop plaing mind games and get on with your lives.

This is not a dress rehearsal, life is now in session.

WillToFight said...

"Neodomenes Said

Sucking people into a faulty 'process' to the tune of thousands and standing by while some of them lose their homes, singing the evil bankster blues was, is, and will always be WRONG."

FINALLY people attempt to have an intelligent dialogue. All Neodomenes does is again is his own OPINION about the issue rather than look at the legal argument that is our rememdy.

Neodomenes just admit finally that all you would like to see is American citizens remain ignore slave chattel so that people like you can continue to rip them off in defacto loan transactions and other resource syphoning fraudulent tactics.

Neodomenes YOU ARE A VIRUS!

KYHOOYA said...

neodemes said...
mogel says:

"The bank used YOUR money to buy the home you purchased".

Obviously, they did not. Yes, your signature on the note allows them to get the backing for the money, but it certainly doesn't come from the signer - that notion is ludicrous.

Get over it already. You don't like the way financing works, don't finance.

Sucking people into a faulty 'process' to the tune of thousands and standing by while some of them lose their homes, singing the evil bankster blues was, is, and will always be WRONG.

There is only one way to eliminate a mortgage. Pay it. Want to pay less interest? Pay directly against the principle. You'll knock years and thousands off your loan.

Stop plaing mind games and get on with your lives.

This is not a dress rehearsal, life is now in session.

10:34 PM

Thank you oh great one of the simplistic

This would be true if I were to let's say borrow that money from my friend's or family and in so doing they would have to reach into there pocket(bank or matteres) to get it. This is of course money that they have worked for (physical labor) that produced something of value (Good's) as the end reslult's. Therefore they have given something of VALUE (The product of there work) and there is a consideration (THE LOSS as if they had done work,then not been paid by there employer) of something that could be lost after the transfer of what they had at one time control over (REAL PHISICAL PROPERTIES)

You see every day we do transation that put at RISK something we own or we have the skill to do, and we do this in all sort's of way some with blind trust and other with a contract to preform. and even with contracting as in my case there is insurance the customer can get that will pay them if the work is not done.(Preformance Bond)

With the case of your simple minded example you have said that I Borrowed Money and that I have to repay it. I will not disagree with you.

What I will ask you is this as it has been stated here many time WHERE IS THE MONEY OR THE THING OF VALUE THAT I HAVE BORROWED

what repair, service,product,information,ect. has been given to me or anyone on my behalf as you said. The bank paid the seller for me and the money they loaned me.

If all of these thing that JRB yourself and all the rest of the blind say are true tell me this, Why then can not one of you give a straight answer to the basic of basic question ask you.

Why is it that the banking industry is and has been THE FOR FRONT OF DISSEPTION

Why don't the bank just put it alll on the table so that evry one in the deal can see all the going's on or is that we all must be so stupid that there is no way that we could ever understand it.

The bank are so nice to save us from all that headach of seeing the real story. They don't want us to see the real fact's do they and the rest of the group on down the line ie Broker's

SO TELL ME WITH ALL THAT SO PRIVLAGED TO KNOW
Why all the lie's? Why all of the hush hush?
Why all and any that have to do with this above board and honorable service are so deseptive?

I'll help you with these.
There not be truthfull in what is taking place in the transaction. Because they are making great sum's of money from it.
they want to say it is to much info to try to give a customer in a short time and they don't need to know it any way we give them what they need, Ya! Right ! Thats what I want is to have these people looking out fio my best interst.

IF THEY WANT TO LEND ME SOMETHING OF VALUE AND SHOW THAT VALUE FOR WHAT IT IS I HAVE KNOW PROBLEM IN HOLDING UP MY END AND PAYING IT BACK.

SO SIMPLY WHY ALL THE UNDERCOVER SHIT? IMEAN IF IT'S ALL BEING DONE AS A GOOD SERVICE THAN IT SHOULD BE KNOW BIG DEAL TO COME UP WITH A STRAGHT ANSWER SHOULD IT?
AND ALL OF IT SHOULDBE KNOW BIG DEAL TO SHOW A FEW OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT UNDERSTAND IT.

yOU KNOW BECAUSE WER ALL TO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND ALL THATBIG BANKING TALK RIGHT? BULL SHIT! THER HIDING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WRONG! THAT'S IT NOTHING MORE AND NOW ALL THAT ARE INVOLVED ARE GOING TO BACK IT UP BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING SOME KIND OF BENIFIT FROM IT.

L8R

Judge Roy Bean said...

Byron, in an ongoing attempt to mislead his former Dorean clients said: "Originators couldn't do this & borrow funds if they didn't automatically FIRST get the same credit from the promissory note which has equal value to the loan given, yet the originators won't return the "deposit" of the borrower that has equal value of the loan given. The lender got the note for no consideration.

Bovine Scatology which has been legally disproved over and over again and only helps keep the promoters like Mr. Gashler in business.

No consideration? Laughable. You got a house for just your down-payment and your signature.

That's the way the system works. If you don't like it, don't use it. There is nothing mysterious, secret or illegal about it. Millions of loans are in effect and millions more will be and the vast majority of borrowers will be happy with what they got as well as the opportunity to do it all over again and in many cases, profit from it.

There are genuine crooks out there, though, that will try and take advantage of people. Those take diligent effort and informed legal counsel to fight, not hare-brained schemes promoted to people who can't see past the hype.

Judge Roy Bean said...

KYHOOYA / L8R - try again when you're sober.

Stillwaiting said...

Enough is enough. I will say it again. It doesn't matter if Kurt and Scott are in or out of jail. Dr. Fred called and said we would have some paperwork to finalize this. Stop the BS from everybody and Dr. Fred give us the need paperwork to complete this mess. I believe from the phone call that you or someone has this under control and it didn't mean K or S being free or not. Do what you said you were going to do. I don't care if you were a boxer or a hookder that is not what this is about. This is about you either completing what you started or saying you can't and your sorry. But to keep people hanging on day after day or to keep them in the postion they are currently in is wrong. Enough is enough is for everyone. It is for Kurt, Scott, Dr. Fred and for all of the people on this fourm whether you are for or against K and S. Stick to the facts and either deliver or give it up. Stop banging K and S. Unless you have unrefutable evidence that they really did defraud us then you need to stop the BS. But if you have the evidence then provide it.

KYHOOYA said...

To all the one out there that the bank's are not stealing from us or miss using there power, I say this YOU ARE FUCKING BLIND OR PART OF THE CROOK'S THAT ARE DOING IT.

I say know one has come on here in over a year and said one thing that can show that

1. the LOAN is somethuing of real value at the start

2. that the loan process has not been one ofMISS LEADING practiceS all the way through AND THE ONLYTHING THAT THEY ARE AFTER IS YOU MONEY.
3 THERE HAS BEEN NO PROFF WHAT SO EVER THAT THEY ARE NOT DOING THING THAT ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ME AND MY PROPERTY.
. That the lender, Broker, title co, and everyone that is part the deal and miss guide you when need to keep the truth of the transaction from being completlt seen.

4. The fact that the lender hide fact's from you in the deal is by anyone's conclution CROOKED

So if there is not the underhanded crooked miss informing stealing going on here in this so called banking business then prove it! I say you can't and you know what just in the past 4 years I have had the personal lean experance to hold up my side of this story so lets rock you up for it I don't think so how could you be there is no ansd I mean no piece of fact,real, non bullshit information that you can offer that will say that there's no bad deal here.

the fact is that every time there has been some one to caom on here and say that they know better and that were wrong on are stand has been ether a Broker ,loan agent,banker,title officer,or in some way related to these feild's of work and defend them because it there pay check or they have been so blind for so long that they beleave what they do is of great inportants and agood service to all and that look at all those people that they have helped that could'nt get a loan if it wern't for them OK right go ahead beleave all you want it not he truth and as I said I could tell you a story just of the past 4 yr. that would show you that that industry is nothing but a bunck of crookes cheat's and liers out to line there own pocket's and they don't give a fuckkwhat they do or who to to get it if ther is one I would love to meet them but I don't think there is socome on mister Broker banker title officer bankers rep. of what ever sorce bring you ass up here and put that mouth th work with some right to the point fact's no bullshit
I will bet that you could not find the fact's to soport or to disprove what has been asked here and I'd be willing to do that infront of a newtral party to disside the out come. You see you can say thing like consp.tho. or that it one way but I'm talking proof big large PROOF not bs or what you think is the truth the fact's are the truth.

here you have a system that when corrnered there answer is to lie, fasle accuse,abuse ther power,to do anything to get rid of the problem and that is in fact's thetruth and easy to see itf you have LAW'S for the conrty they are not just the law for some people and not when you chose to follow or break them to suit you need's black & white that is it you can't say it's the law that if the creditor in sent in writing that you dipute a charge or billing that the creditor can not post on your credit report that you are in fault and that they can not try to collect that amout well the investigation is going on and all you have to pay is the amout on the you don't dispute and they are to give you a ajusted amount for that payment when requested in writing NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT LAW on the back of any credit card stament and as a creditor totaly disregard it and think that they are ubouve the law ( this you see is baced up with fact that they have broken the law very clearly and yet they do it noing that it is a real pain for you to get it ceared up so you will ether give in or give up ) look at the fact that they can post annything they want on your credit report but you have to jump through hoops to get it cleared order report ea. credit agency then write or gi online and dispute ( all write they can deleate shit on there web site or change time abd dates ) don't think so just ask me.

There is so much shit that I have first hand had happen to me just in the last 4 year's that I could'nt get it type on here without breaking my finger and lossing all reader from the shere sizethat is needed but all end with this I have had broker comite fraude frogery, lie hold hosage papers, to any thing you can think of al in the name of fucking me aqnd doing it so that i can't see it at least not till it's done I have had credit reporting ag. put info in and then remove i change all form's of it to suite the need there reporting creditors can put what evre they what I know this first hand the hole industry is corrupt and I dare you to prove it to the contrary you can't SO LETS ROCK OR WHAT DID kURT SAY lET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE " I WOULD LOVE FOR ANY ONE TO COME ON HERE OR ANYWHERE AND SHOW ME THAT THAT THERE IS NO CORRUPTION GOING ON IN THE WORLD OF BANKING AND THAT THEY DO SO IN THE FRONT OF ALL OF ARE LEADERS WITH OUT ANY FEAR OF REPRISAL

LET'S FACE IT IF YOUR A BANK AND YOU GET CAUGHT WITH DOING SOMETHING WRONG YOU GET FIND OR SOMETHING LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR NAME TO HIDE THE TURE CO BUT IF YOU GETTING A FINE OF 30 MILLION BUT YOUR MAKING 100,000,000.00 WHAT THEFUCK YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A ROCKET ENGINEER TO SEE THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS JUST LIKE IT COST TO PLACE AN ADD ON TV YOU GET MORE THAN YOU PUT OUT SO WHY WOULD YOU STOP DOING IT . THAT WOULD BE STUPID TO TO AND KOO IF IT'S ENOUGH MONEY THEN YOUR GOING TO GO TO GREAT EFFORT TO STOP ANYONE ORTHING THAT IS GETTING IN THE WAY AND THAT MY FREIND'S IS THE REAL W AS THAT DUMB SHIT NEONOFAFUCKINGCLUE SAID THE REAL WORLD LET GO SHOW ME THAT ALL i GOT TO SAY SHOW ME AND THEN I'LL BELEAVE BUT YOU BETTER COME WITH THE FACT'S CAUSE THAT'S WATH I HAVE AND THEY DON'T COME FROM NOONE BUT PERSONAL DEALING'S SO BRING IT ON

OR SHUT UP AND GET IN LINE TO HELP

BY THE WAY i WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE DIFFERANT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES DO FOR A LIVING THE TRUTH i'LL sTART IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT ALREADY CONSTUCTION CCONTRACTOR FINISH & MILL WORK 18YR. OWNER. JUST WOUNDERING HOW MANY BANK RELATED PEOPLE ARE ON HERE I BET MORE THAN WILL ADMIT IT.

P\/CE

tcob247 said...

I thought you were a grammer teacher

sd said...

The following was written about
204 years ago by some conspricy theorist/rebel, that tried to push his drivil, this utter nonsense, this mythological thinking on to the minds of the American people.

Who did this guy think he was?
He had no evidence to back up his preaching.

Where did this man come up with such radical ideas?

Ideas like this could cause good people to lose their homes and other precious items in court.

Read it for yourself, I'm sure you will be shocked and appalled.


"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826), Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

Just kidding....
sd

sd said...

I guess that Jefferson fellow was just another nut-case... LOL

Here's another quote from him about banks.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson

against_the_odds said...

Stillwaiting, well said, PERIOD! How long ago did Fred tell you this? This administrative process does not require a decision made from any court, PERIOD!

According to what Fred wrote in the latest update:

As to what is happening to the guys that are spending time in jail so as to win their case and increase the amount of the judgement that will be received as a result of the efforts on your behalf. There will be a post website on the Blog, hopefully in January...

I am afraid this will not happen any time soon ladies and gentlemen so it would be better to not get your hopes up. It is truly sad that we keep hearing misleading information.

habakkuk said...

Hey SD, Dont you know that JRB, TCOB, and the like are so much more smarter than Thomas Jefferson? That Jefferson guy was way over rated.....Oh yeah, how bout that GOD too.....what was he thinking when HE wrote the Bible and said unjust weights and usury was an abomination? LOL!!!!!!!

Heres one for ya: Psalms 2:2-4
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against His ANOINTED (Yeshua/ Jesus and all those who are in HIM), saying," Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us"....But HE who sits in the Heavens shall LAUGH!!(LOL!!!), the Lord scoffs at them.

Thats why i like Kurt's attitude, he knows how to laugh at these guys just like God does.

tcob247 said...

yup
God and Kurt are having a good ol chuckle

BTW
I agree with Tom Jefferson

Judge Roy Bean said...

SD - don't forget the concept of progress. Jefferson couldn't predict the industrial and technological advancements that drive and allow our economy to operate.

The fact that more people than ever before can actually buy a home instead of rent forever is a good thing - as long as we can keep the real predators from scamming people.

I've said this on other forums and on my own blog - using credit only changes the timing of acquiring something. It makes it so you can obtain something sooner as opposed to later. If you recognize that and can learn to live without whatever "that" is, you shouldn't have to worry about what other people do.

It's people who get into trouble who then start looking for a way out and get lured into these bizarre blame-shifting mythologies.

Johnson and his ilk will always be around, moving in and out of schemes because they think they can convince enough people to keep some level of paranoia and ignorance going to keep them from having to actually do something useful for a living.

It's just another business. But it ruins a lot of people's lives.

habakkuk said...

Tcob,
Oh i see.....Thomas Jefferson is ok, but i dont agree with God or Kurt Johnson. What kind of opinion is that? I mean, at least side with God on this one. Dude, its exausting talking to you;)

JRB says: "Jefferson couldnt predict the industrial and technological advancements that drive and allow our economy to operate"

Hello!!! Why dont u go back and read that Jefferson quote again. He says:"....If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. "

Are u trying to tell us that Jefferson could'nt predict? He can't get more on the money that that man. He was a friken genious. Who cares if he didnt predict we'd have computers....that ain't the issue.

sd said...

JRB said:
"The fact that more people than ever before can actually buy a home instead of rent forever is a good thing - as long as we can keep the real predators from scamming people."

I could not have said it better myself.
Only thing is, you are seeing only what you perseive to be a couple of individual small time scam artists,
I am trying to direct my attention and others towards a much greater fraud.
I doubt that it would be possible to calculate the total amount of funds obsconded from the unknowing by the banks since 1913.

I wonder how many houses could have been built and how many financial perilous times could have been averted and maybe even how many wars could have been avoided if the love of money had not gotten in the way of the progress of this great country.

When all money is brought into existance through debt and the banks charge interest on all money going through their hands, IT IS MATHMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the principle and interest to be paid back.
Guess who cleans up on the forclosures when the money can't be paid back?
And who is it in control of the currency?
That is a little of the stuff Jefferson was talking about when he mentioned "first by inflation then by deflation".
So build and buy all you like but the banks know that they are going to end up with a certain percentage of it because their roulette table is fixed in their favor.
We the People are the only ones at risk. The banks always have the winning hand.

sd

tcob247 said...

habaakkkkukkk

Did i say I disagree with God?

I said (in case you already forgot)
"yup
God and Kurt are having a good ol chuckle"

The mere fact that God and Kurt are sharing a laugh regarding the mortgage elimination industry doesnt really jive with what I was taught in Sunday School.
But hey.....on this blog....there a whole lot of different belief systems regarding the almighty.

I'm sure you've seen them on here

But....it's a waste of breath for them and me because everybody believes the way they want and thats the way it always will be.

Khooey....can you even spell construction?
What do you build with?
LEGOS?



wat up imbigio, will and solvo (sarc)

partysecured said...

JRB said


SD - don't forget the concept of progress. Jefferson couldn't predict the industrial and technological advancements that drive and allow our economy to operate.

The fact that more people than ever before can actually buy a home instead of rent forever is a good thing - as long as we can keep the real predators from scamming people.

Maybe the dumbest thing posted so far by arguments for or against the fed. How do you draw this conclusion that people would be renting forever. Rent from whom? someone has to own for someone to have to rent. Not only that but how is the loan supposed to be paid off anyway. The way it is now you don't own the house you still are just renting. Only under the illusion of ownership. And how can you be so pompous to believe that without Federal reserve banks that there wouldn't be progress. Progress towards what?

This is the thinking of a closed minded adolecent

Elmer Fudd said...

Stillwaiting said...
Enough is enough. I will say it again. It doesn't matter if Kurt and Scott are in or out of jail. Dr. Fred called and said we would have some paperwork to finalize this. Stop the BS from everybody and Dr. Fred give us the need paperwork to complete this mess. I believe from the phone call that you or someone has this under control and it didn't mean K or S being free or not. Do what you said you were going to do. I don't care if you were a boxer or a hookder that is not what this is about. This is about you either completing what you started or saying you can't and your sorry. But to keep people hanging on day after day or to keep them in the postion they are currently in is wrong. Enough is enough is for everyone. It is for Kurt, Scott, Dr. Fred and for all of the people on this fourm whether you are for or against K and S. Stick to the facts and either deliver or give it up. Stop banging K and S. Unless you have unrefutable evidence that they really did defraud us then you need to stop the BS. But if you have the evidence then provide it.

Great Post but my question to you is, If you don't get a direct answer like most clients of this process do on this blog. How much longer are you going to wait and hang on day after day before you make up your mind if this is all bullshit or not. Just curious. But what you said makes alot of sense let's see what the retort is going to be.

Stillwaiting said...

Elmer,
I for one am not relly waiting but do enjoy reading some of the BS and info with no concrete backing to it. I continue to pay my mortgage and should it happen in my lifetime tht they cancel it and I get paid what he says I am supposed to get then I will be greatful. I just don't see it happening. However, adverstising that you can do something and charging people without ever accomplishing it first is wrong. However, that is my fault for not asking that question. But considering I had seen other programs out there and this one came from some one I know it seemed the right thing to do.
Now, of the 6 or so things that I have been involved in over the last 33 months not a one, count them, not one has been able to produce anything for the $25K I have spent. I have said this before, the money, the friends, family and a girlfirend is a bit much to lose because of these programs that steal your dreams, money and future. Again, my fault for trusting!
The only thing that has me checking this blog is that Dr. Fred at no reason to contact us and say that things are coming to an end and make sure we have our documents in order. They have not asked for any more money so it tells me that my observation on calling has some merit. Albeit, not much but some. Who knows Stillwaiting........

sd said...

These are just some of the sources that helped me form my views about the current banking system.

Maybe I should look for more reputable people and get their opinions?

"You see, a legitimate government can both spend and lend money into circulation, while banks can only lend significant amounts of their promissory bank notes, for they can neither give away nor spend but a tiny fraction of the money the people need. Thus, when your bankers here in England place money in circulation, there is always a debt principal to be returned and usury to be paid. The result is that you have always too little credit in circulation to give the workers full employment. You do not have too many workers, you have too little money in circulation, and that which circulates, all bears the endless burden of unpayable debt and usury." - *Benjamin Franklin Autobiography

sd said...

Here's another NUT?

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also. The difference between the bond and the bill is the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way. It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay, but one promise fattens the usurers and the other helps the people. " - Thomas Edison, The New York Times, December 6, 1921

I don't know why I am attracted to people like this.
Scammers Everyone....

Elmer Fudd said...

Stillwaiting said...
Elmer,
I for one am not relly waiting but do enjoy reading some of the BS and info with no concrete backing to it. I continue to pay my mortgage and should it happen in my lifetime tht they cancel it and I get paid what he says I am supposed to get then I will be greatful. I just don't see it happening. However, adverstising that you can do something and charging people without ever accomplishing it first is wrong. However, that is my fault for not asking that question. But considering I had seen other programs out there and this one came from some one I know it seemed the right thing to do.
Now, of the 6 or so things that I have been involved in over the last 33 months not a one, count them, not one has been able to produce anything for the $25K I have spent. I have said this before, the money, the friends, family and a girlfirend is a bit much to lose because of these programs that steal your dreams, money and future. Again, my fault for trusting!
The only thing that has me checking this blog is that Dr. Fred at no reason to contact us and say that things are coming to an end and make sure we have our documents in order. They have not asked for any more money so it tells me that my observation on calling has some merit. Albeit, not much but some. Who knows Stillwaiting........

3:59 PM

I hear you...But in any case with a post like yours no one seems to address it. I saw a client a while ago ask where he can get the DvD's which intern nobody gave him and answer. My belief's are, there is truth about our shady banking system, but don't ruin people's lives until your system is full proof otherwise don't do it. My friend was a client and he lost his house reason for me being on here. But good luck to ya as far as Dr.Fred goes anything that comes out of his mouth is nothing but pure malarkey. Elmer

Stillwaiting said...

Elmer Fudd said...
I hear you...But in any case with a post like yours no one seems to address it. I saw a client a while ago ask where he can get the DvD's which intern nobody gave him and answer. My belief's are, there is truth about our shady banking system, but don't ruin people's lives until your system is full proof otherwise don't do it. My friend was a client and he lost his house reason for me being on here. But good luck to ya as far as Dr.Fred goes anything that comes out of his mouth is nothing but pure malarkey. Elmer

Elmer,
Nobody writes to my posts because doing so would make them commit to the realization of the truth. Right now they don't know what the truth is anymore.
I do believe that our Fed Reserve and others have had a strangle hold on the people around the world for a long time. There is a lot out there to be read and to be used. Many a man has written about the stupidity of the majority not to question the substance or lack of substance. They know that the majority will follow like sheep to the slaughter and at times even cut thier own throat.
So, I do believe that K and S believe and know that we are getting screwed by the banking industry and others. Their problem isn't that they know. Their problem is they don't know how to fight it - and WIN!

Elmer Fudd said...

RGR That....