Tuesday, February 14, 2006

Othersidedness

Dietrich Bonhoeffer talks about discipleship as othersidedness. Like the turn twin towers of the former World Trade Center, it is a location. Most of you have never seen the actual towers or been to New York. For you it is just a spot on the map, a smoky image, an idea formed merely on hearsay. For those who inhabited them there are facts only they will know and those whose perceived knowledge having no experience will have no basis with which to relate. I have seen some of you call this location Christian fanaticism, cultish, or delusional. I can only claim you right. For having no experience or having ever been transported beyond your hearsay idealism no other response is possible. Don’t expect though that your unfactual musings will be persuasive to those whose feet have walked beyond your imagination. Only those who hear the words “follow me” know of the journey. Those who refuse the offer have their own map to follow. But I will let you in on a little joke; those who have been to New York can very quickly tell who has not. Those who have not have no way to verify if the New Yorker is a fact or a fraud. For my fellow New Yorkers, it might be prophetic the Giants lost.

Dear fruit inspector: I see you know one verse but do you know the Christ? Let me test your skill if I may. David bedded another man’s wife then had him murdered. She bore him two children, one killed by God, one King Solomon. There is his fruit, give us your judgment on the man. Share with us that we may all partake of you wisdom.

35 comments:

habakkuk said...

Kurt,
Well said....I couldnt have put it better myself. Its funny you used the analogy of people who have been to New York and those who havnt.....My sister moved there years back and now she knows how to get around there blindfolded. When she meets someone else that lived in NYC its like their speaking another language. Everyone else in the room have no idea what they are talking about.....we can only say "oh yeah, i heard about that place" or "i think i saw that on tv". But she says theres no mistaking who spent some time there and who is faking it.

Theres a lot of fakes on this site who have had a little exposure to the Bible and they think they can fool the rest of us by using the Bible to make a very weak point. It aint gonna work. #1 You need the Holy Spirit to interpret and reveal the scriptures to you #2 You need to spend time with the Holy Spirit so HE can teach you the scriptures. #3 You need to learn by experience......G-d aint gonna invest anything in anybody without putting you thru the test. I once heard a man of God say: "The man with an experience is never at the mercy of the man with a theory".

My wish is that every person on this blog would come to know my Saviour...Yeshua (Jesus). But i also understand that i have to learn how to identify the wolves in sheeps clothing.

son of a prophet said...

have at it said....








Theres a lot of fakes on this site who have had a little exposure to the Bible and they think they can fool the rest of us by using the Bible to make a very weak point. It aint gonna work. #1 You need the Holy Spirit to interpret and reveal the scriptures to you #2 You need to spend time with the Holy Spirit so HE can teach you the scriptures. #3 You need to learn by experience



POINT 1) AGREED.


POINT 2) AGREED.

POINT 3) PARTIAL AGREEMENT.

ADDENDUM:
"EXPERIENCE AND SUFFERING"

No further questions your Honor.

Motion is made to dismiss w/o prejudice.

Motion for summary judgment is denied.


/S/

HONORABLE

SUPREME COURT JUDGE OF UNIVERSE

you will know them by their fruit said...

The Bible according to Hab, Mogel and the other spin scholars.

"For God so loved THE DOREAN GROUP that he gave his only begotten PROMISSARY NOTE so that all who GIVE US 3000 DOLLARS shall not MAKE PAYMENTS but have everlasting FREE and CLEAR TITLE."

Kurt 3:16




For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

you will know them by their fruit said...
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you will know them by their fruit said...

Kurt,

I wouldn't spend time addressing me. I am not a big fan. Save your fables for those who are easliy mislead.


For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

habakkuk said...

SOP,

Very True....thanks for completing that statement. I guess its true what the Bible says...."Iron sharpens Iron".

Gracias.

believerandfollower said...

You will know them . . . .:

If you're not a big fan, WHY are you still here?

son of a prophet said...

habakkuk,

youre welcome.

but I still would not go bird hunting with anyone who cant shoot str8. lol

you could wind up like this....

O+__|


i cant help but say what a friend sent to me after I sent him a copy of my last post on the previous blog. he did a little modification on the little figure that I created above.

he composed the following figure to represent the 'state' that he is in when he wakes up next to his girlfriend in the morning.

here it is.....similar to the stick figure above with a 'slight' difference.....


O+_^__|


no explanatin should be neccessary. lol!

WillToFight said...

you will know them by their fruit!

You could twist day into night couldn't you!

You just make up stuff, don't you.

Don't you see all this corruption going on in government/banking this whole society?

CAN YOU SEE CAN YOU SEE CAN YOU SEE SEE SEE SEE SEE SEE SEE SEE?

If YOU DON'T GET IT THEN YOU DON'T GET IT.

I don't care how much you read your bible. Just reading and reciting does not lend to understanding!

You will knowthem by there fruit.

Why arn't you at the WhiteHouse Screaming Bloody Murder. Or are you a hypocrite?

I'm Not a Christian, but I do understand!!!!!!!!!

whyudothat said...

hey foolish fred who speaks without thinking first,

why are you posting about the naysayers being wrong, when you havent followed thru on the setttlements you spoke of from early 2005?

Peanut Gallery said...

Hey, look at me SOP, I can cutn paste too.


A former general and friend of Saddam Hussein who defected but maintains close contact with Iraq claims the regime supported al-Qaida with intelligence, finances and munitions and believes weapons of mass destruction are hidden in Syria.

Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti, southern regional commander for Saddam Hussein's Fedayeen militia in the late 1980s, spoke with Ryan Mauro of WorldThreats.com.

Known as the "Butcher of Basra," al-Tikriti commanded units that dealt with chemical and biological weapons. He defected shortly before the Gulf War in 1991.

Last month, Saddam Hussein's No. 2 Air Force officer, Georges Sada, told the New York Sun Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were moved to Syria six weeks before the war started. Sada claimed two Iraqi Airways Boeing jets converted to cargo planes moved the weapons in a total of 56 flights. They attracted little attention, he said, because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in 2002.

Discussing Saddam's support of terrorism, al-Tikriti said the dictator's regime sponsored Palestinian groups with logistical and material support.

For a time, support for al-Qaida was limited, the former general said, mainly because al-Qaida's aim was to create an Islamic empire while Saddam wanted a secular Arab nationalist empire.

"They only really came to terms in the mid '90s due to the fact that both knew they shared the same short-term enemy," the general said. "Once they came to terms on this, Saddam provided al-Qaida with intelligence support and whatever money or munitions they could provide."

Al-Tikriti said Saddam "had very long-standing contacts in the black market as well as with Moscow and would provide whatever munitions he could through these contacts."

The secular Baathists and radical Islamists certainly are able to put aside their differences to cooperate against the U.S., he insisted.

"If you look in Iraq today, you are witnessing Arab nationalist terrorist organizations and Islamist terrorist organizations working together to fight the United States."

Al-Tikriti dismissed the commonly heard claim that the U.S. helped bring Saddam to power, calling it "absolutely ludicrous."

The Baathist revolution, he said, was backed by the Soviet Union because of the shared socialist ideology.

"I was there helping with the revolution and worked on two occasions with Soviet KGB officials to help train us, much like the United States did with the Taliban during the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan," he said. "The United States never directly gave us any WMDs but rather ingredients. They were not mixed and these 'ingredients' could have been easily used for commercial use but were rather used to build low life chemical weapons."

Al-Tikriti says he knows Saddam's weapons are in Syria because of contingency plans established as far back as the late 1980s, in the event either Damascus or Baghdad were taken over.

"Not to mention, I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew," he said.

Saddam, after lying for so many years, knew the U.S. eventually would come for the weapons, he said, and wanted to maintain legitimacy with pan-Arab nationalists.

Also, he had "wanted since he took power to embarrass the West, and this was the perfect opportunity to do so," al-Tikriti said.

"After Saddam denied he had such weapons, why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found?" he said. "That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against."

What we are witnessing now, he said, "is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted."

Al-Tikriti said he turned against the Baath Party after his wife stood up to him and questioned his brutal tactics.

"This really made me think, because no one has ever even considered to question the tactics of myself or any others and lived to tell about it," he said. "This courageous move made me think deep and hard."

Al-Tikriti said he still maintains good sources inside and outside of Iraq.

"Some of Saddam's key scientists are personal friends of mine, as well as other key leaders in the former Iraqi military," he said. "I have helped draw information since my defecting to the United States government voluntarily and with the permission of these contacts. The only difference between many of them and I, is that I had the opportunity to defect and they didn't."

WillToFight said...

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WillToFight said...

The Guy Cheney shot must have been at a little more than point blank range for a 28 gauge to penetrate through the coat and chest cavity.

30 yards away they would have used tweezers to pluck out the pellets.

Somebody is lying! As usual!

w said...

whyudothat, dont bother wasting your time, all we get is a "everything is going as planned" about every month or two, over and over and over.

WillToFight said...

bullshit W!

so you don't see change idiot?

tcob247 said...

willie....

why are you so obsessed with this event?

It was a hunting accident
Geeze
There are a lot more important things out there than that.

Your response to W was typical of Dorean supporters

What changes do you see in Dorean's promises over the last few months

Name some promises that have been kept

Can you help me here willtohunt?

w said...

willtofight, change?

try to keep up please, we're not talking about kurt and scott here, we all hope the best for them as they progress.

we are talking about the settlements from spring 2005 that fred said would happen in 2 weeks that had nothing to do with kurt or scotts outcome. it is february 2006, and what change are you talking about?

nothing has changed for anyone for the settlements since then.

yeahrightwhateverz said...

AMEN to that W. See, its not just me who is sick of the bullshit lies and empty promises. Oh by the way, fuck you SOAP on DOPE...

son of a prophet said...

quayle hundting???

nah...just some low level illiminati being illiminated....

this will start happening faster and faster as tracks must be covered...

one thing when you sell your soul to the devil, when hes done with you, he sells (or rats) you out to protect himself (or as they say in Tesas, hisself)and those above him in food chian) no exceptons....


but, lucky us, we still have this blog to whale on...


yeahrihton...whassamatter, din your mom love you when you was a kid? I know, it must be tough not to have been loved when you was a child.

son of a prophet said...

and 1 other thing...

if the guy dies from an hunting accident, does this now become murder or manslaughter?

Ans. depens on who does the murder. for you and me, forget about it! C'ya. 10-20 in a hotel with bubba, or slim, or ......

yeahrightwhateverz said...

W, did you say dead head fred has been talkin shit since spring of 2005 in fucking 5? And they have got the fucking audacity of calling people cry fucking babies? Um, and everyone is ok with this? HELL FUCKING O!!!

son of a prophet said...

and from th urban survival site:



Public Goes Ballistic

No doubt about it, a few people are still armed with a few brain cells, despite the constant dumbing down efforts of mainstream media, the administration, and those who would be rulers of their own brand of new world order. Take for example Dick Cheney's War on Quail. Our Houston Bureau offers this:

Why does anyone take anything the "Administration" says as truth? One would think with all the lies over Iraq and 9/11, that anything said about a hunting accident would immediately be suspicious.

#7 birdshot, .28 gau., at 30 yards does not penetrate to the heart. At most, one would get a serious rash and perhaps some minor bleeding.

Furthermore, the tight pattern on the head and neck of Whittington are not indicative of distance with shot. Even with no choke at all, the pattern should have been widely disbursed over Whiitington's left side at 30 yards.

Even 0-0 buck, .12 gau., at 30 yards with medium choke would not do life-threatening harm to a human. A quick trip to any shooting range to see how close shotgun targets are will tell any thinking person what they need to know.

It does seem odd - and at variance with reports - to hear that the shooting victim has shot lodged near his heart and that he's still in the hospital. But something's out of kilter in the reports and the public's not liking it one bit.

yeahrightwhateverz said...

Yeah, keep posting your bullshit offtopic corn holio... Step aside SOAP and let the real issues surface dickwad.

w said...

yeahrightwhateverz said...
W, did you say dead head fred has been talkin shit since spring of 2005 in fucking 5? And they have got the fucking audacity of calling people cry fucking babies? Um, and everyone is ok with this? HELL FUCKING O!!!


...unfortunately

whyudothat said...

oh look, no surprise, there are more people who want to know about it, and you havent answered there freddy,
either you would have to be a fool to make a statement like that in 2005 about the settlements, or you are lying, which one is it fred?
come out from behind your skirt and fess up for everyone.

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

I know an outstanding surgeon that can help you with that Rectal/Cranial inversion that you are afflicted with, but you probably won't want his help because he is part of the "Jewish Conspiracy" fool.

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

Don't you get tired of hiding under your bed? Do you even go outside, or are you afraid of the black helicopters. LOOK OUT!!!!
There are jack-booted thugs watching your house. LOL

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

I bet you could make a few bucks from selling off all the survival supplies you squirrled away for Y2K.
I think McIdiot got that one wrong as well.LOL

neodemes said...

10-20 in a hotel with bubba, or slim, or ...... Kurt or Scott?

LOL

son of a prophet said...

posted here because govt. paid agents on this site are prohibited from visiting certain sites.....


McCanney;

February 16, 2006 posting ... join me tonight as i talk about the new electrical storm raging on Saturn (just announced by NASA) and the electrical discharging of the solar capacitor in the region near saturn ... and also the importance of understanding how NASA was secretly placed under CIA control a number of years ago under the tutelage of Dan Golden ... former NASA chief ... and how NASA computers were ready to go after 911 to track US citizens and monitor air line flights (seems they did not monitor the flights of the Bin Laden family as they were whisked out of the country by dedicated air line flights under the guidance of the Bush clan while all airline flights were grounded) ... at any rate ... regarding NASA computers ... you do not just take scientific computing facilities designed to calculate orbits and process scientific data ... and all of a sudden have them tracking airline passengers ... SOMEONE HAD PRIOR KNOWLEDGE AND HAD NASA COMPUTERS PROGRAMMED IN ADVANCE OF 911 ... what else has NASA been up to ??? ... like digging extensive cave systems (not exactly an outer space project) ... the main topic will deal with the electrical nature of life on earth ... are we coupled electrically to the cosmos ??? ... listen tonight for some interesting commentary and i promise not to make any dick cheney jokes ... jim mccanney

tcob247 said...

LOLOLOLOL

SOP you are hilarious

What a wack job you are

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

WATCH OUT!!!!! THE MARTIANS ARE COMING!!!! EIEIEIEAAAA

WillToFight said...

Suck my nutts W

WillToFight said...

Suck My Nutts W