Friday, April 14, 2006

I’m Incompetent (4/4/06)

We had a hearing on the 4th with a hurdle placed in front of our Farretta hearing. The Judge wanting to be appeal cautious wants us evaluated by a psyche. We have refused this offer and it will create some interesting issues to deal with. Especially because I am willing to admit to my incompetence. Not a mental incompetence but rather a factual incompetence. I have asked the court direct questions like what is the jurisdiction as to subject matter and they answer a venue question. I ask the prosecution who I am in his eyes as a defendant and he says we’ve had discussion when asked to state our agreement. Imagine your child asking you which ball we we’re going to use obviously trying to identify the game he was about to enter and your response being “the red one.” You answer his question technically but deceptively. This is what we’re getting. How can one claim competence in honesty? Like signing a 30 page mortgage contract in the 5 minutes they give you. You are agreeing to things you have no comprehension and it will later be used against you. I cannot fall for this tactic. There is no presumption I’ll tolerate. They will not be able to get me to declare I’m competent at golf and then take that as acceptance to enter a tennis match. Like banker doublespeak these guys talk out of the sides of their neck. Just paying attention is enough to prove your wits about you.

58 comments:

imbigo said...

Go get-um my friends...

I wont be able to see you tuesday, but looking foward to seeing you both on 5/9.

A HAPPY AND BLESSED RESURRECTION TO YOU BOTH, HE IS RISEN!!!

PEACE AND BLESSING!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

ZUP EVERYBODY, HAPPY EASTER!

neodemes said...

"I ask the prosecution who I am in his eyes as a defendant and he says we’ve had discussion when asked to state our agreement. Imagine your child asking you which ball we we’re going to use obviously trying to identify the game he was about to enter and your response being “the red one.” "

Golf balls, soccer balls, soft balls and baseballs are generally white, tennis balls yellow and basketballs orange. Most kids could discern they would probably be playing kickball, based on the information given.

Try using some discernment, or, maybe ask your god to explain it to you.

"Like signing a 30 page mortgage contract in the 5 minutes they give you. You are agreeing to things you have no comprehension and it will later be used against you."

Anyone numb enough not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like you bit off more than you can chew, Kurt.

Get yourself an attorney, if any will take your case.

habakkuk said...

whyudothat said...

"Ah, but moses was never so foolish to put his god on the leash, and then fold him up and tuck god back in his pocket when he didnt need him for his device. "

I just realized who u sounded like just then. Do u remember the 10 commandments with Charleton Heston? You just reminded me of Edward G. Robinson playing the naysayer amoung the israelites...LOL!!!! hahahaha.

"Yeah see...its all Moses' fault see....He brought us way out here to die see....yeah.

Its that kurt guy see....he's got all our money in a account in latvia see...yeah. He lied to us.....it aint the banks fault....naaaah, its kurts fault...yeah. Hey, lets make a golden calf see...yeah.
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Lol!!!! You have to forgive my sense of humor....Its the Easter weekend so it so fitting.

whyudothat said...

You have to forgive my sense of humor....

I forgive you for your lack thereof.

moses would never do something so foolish for his own, unless you mean the other god. then feel free to try and link the 2 scenarios as the same.

like night and day

habakkuk said...

Hey you mug...lighten up see....its just a joke..yeah

neModemes said...

Anyone numb or dumb enough like me not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron, just like I am. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like I bit off more than I can chew.

papertiger said...
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papertiger said...

Yo, Kurt.. I just heard that judges heads are exempt from psyche exams. Imagine that! They can tell You that Your head needs examined, but you can never tell them that it's their head that needs examining!

habakkuk said...

neo says...

"Anyone numb or dumb enough like me not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron, just like I am. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like I bit off more than I can chew. "

yeah, but even if u read it all it still hides the fraud....Thats just the side issue. Heck, i know people who had their lawyer look over the contract before the signed.

neodemes said...
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neModemes said...

Anyone numb or dumb enough like me not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron, just like I am. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like I bit off more than I can chew.

neodemes said...
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neModemes said...

Anyone numb or dumb enough like me not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron, just like I am. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like I bit off more than I can chew.

papertiger said...

It's what they don't tell you in the contract, not what they tell you. Banks don't tell you that they provide no consideration. They don't tell you they are not loaning you money. There are a ton of other things the banks don't tell you in that contract - but the bottom line is that there is no full disclosure.

It's like that with every government piece of paper you sign. The entire system operates on presumptions and assumptions. It's called Trust Your Government.

If there was full disclosure nobody would trust their government! Does that make sense to you now Neo?

neodemes said...

"I ask the prosecution who I am in his eyes as a defendant and he says we’ve had discussion when asked to state our agreement. Imagine your child asking you which ball we we’re going to use obviously trying to identify the game he was about to enter and your response being “the red one.” "

Golf balls, soccer balls, soft balls and baseballs are generally white, tennis balls yellow and basketballs orange. Most kids could discern they would probably be playing kickball, based on the information given.

Try using some discernment, or, maybe ask your god to explain it to you.

"Like signing a 30 page mortgage contract in the 5 minutes they give you. You are agreeing to things you have no comprehension and it will later be used against you."

Anyone numb enough not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like you bit off more than you can chew, Kurt.

Get yourself an attorney, if any will take your case.

neodemes said...

Kurt sez:

"I’m Incompetent"

Agreed.

LOL

neodemes said...

Dorean Victims Unite

Yetter said...

The feds have a high conviction rate,not because of truth but through the appearence of truth.Golf balls and baseballs may be generally white but they certainly don't play the same way.

neModemes said...

Anyone numb or dumb enough like me not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron, just like I am. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like I bit off more than I can chew.

neModemes said...

neodemes sez:

"I’m Butt Ugly"

Agreed.

LOL

KYHOOYA said...

To Neo-Get a clue

The truth that you don't speek, show's what a true Broker & banking lending snake you are. As Hab said even if you read it there are so many way's that the truth is hidden so that they can srcew you out of more money.

If this loan bisiness you support so much is such a up front and fare business than wht is it that there is so much info that is not told to the customer like for year's even the SCORE used and the grading system was'nt told the rest like YSP ,Rate Sheet's and all the way that the broker and lenders have to cover the chargers

This Business wheather it be credit cards or a home load is so shady that if it was'nt linked to the Gov. it would have been labled a crime as in Raco, loan shark's ,

One last think in your statment about the fact that you should read before you sign, this is true and good advise but if you on one side you hide all the info about how the brokers and the rest are making money and don't give the customer a fare chance to understandthose cost because you are hidding the money that going in your pocket and no if they new it they would'nt do the loan .

so the bottom line here is kinda like the frase "Have your cake and eat it too"

You can't have it both ways , ( well up intill now it's may seem that thebank's have had it that way) but if you want the customer to understand what there the doc's they sign for the loan than you ahve to release the info so they can make a fare, informed, disclosed chose to sign or not.

THE BANK'S AND THE REST OF YOUR BUNCH HIDE SO MUCH INFO THAT IT IS INPOOABLR FOR THE CUSTOMER THAT DOSE WHAT , MAYBE 1-5 LOAN'S IN A LIFE TIME AND WITH YOUR BUSINESS THER CHANGES EVERY TWO MIN. HOW COULD THEY EVER BE EXPEXTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TI AGREE TO ON THOSE LOAN DOC'S NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME THEY TAKE TO READ THEM.

sO DON'T BE TELLING STORY NEO IF YOU WANT TO DEFEND THIS SIDE YOUR ON PUT IT ALL OUT ON THE TABLE SO THAT WE ALL CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAKE A FARE CHOOSE.

I BET YOU CAN'T OR WON'T DO THAT , BECAUSE IF YOU DID THAN IT WOULD SHOW ALL THE SCAMMING GOING ON IN THE LOAN IS'NT THAT RIGHT?

OH MAYBE TOW MORE THING'S i HAVE PERSONALY ready to sign doc's and as I was found that the broker had not take the marg. & prepay off like we had talked and faxed about more than once before this and they agree to remove but there it was and when we called then from the title co .to ask why they told us " OH I told the lender to take that off you mean t tell me they did'nt I'll phone them in the morning and tell them to change it, but go ahead and sign them for now and it will get taken care of in the 3 day recin. time "

What a bunch of crap that was the fact was she was leaving that night to go to diseny land and would not be back for a week so how was that going to get taken off.
noing this being thecase I din't sign and boy when she got back from her trip it was like the shit hit the fan I guess the time she was going to take to get that corrected got in the way of leaving on that trip because if she had taken care of it she would have none that I did'nt sign the paper before she left . but she did'nt

the fact was she hope I would and when she got back it would be to late to change because the reci. time would over

this is not the only thing I have seen or been part to in a loan and I have done over 25 loans the snake brokers' and lender are not counting onthe customer soing anything so they pull shit all the time

but there on are side right?


stop posting lies and false info about the business that you line your pockets with and tel the truth for once or is that to much to ask from your kind ?

neodemes said...

Save your typing fingers for whackin' it, kartoonie, I scroll past your shit.

Kurt sez:

"I ask the prosecution who I am in his eyes as a defendant and he says we’ve had discussion when asked to state our agreement. Imagine your child asking you which ball we we’re going to use obviously trying to identify the game he was about to enter and your response being “the red one.” "

Golf balls, soccer balls, soft balls and baseballs are generally white, tennis balls yellow and basketballs orange. Most kids could discern they would probably be playing kickball, based on the information given.

Try using some discernment, or, maybe ask your god to explain it to you.

"Like signing a 30 page mortgage contract in the 5 minutes they give you. You are agreeing to things you have no comprehension and it will later be used against you."

Anyone numb enough not to thoroughly review and understand whatever they sign is a moron. No one forces a mortgage agreement to be signed with a 5 minute review.

Sounds like you bit off more than you can chew, Kurt.

Get yourself an attorney, if any will take your case.

Peanut Gallery said...

nemo sez,
Save your typing fingers for whackin' it, kartoonie, I scroll past your shit.


I scroll past your crap as well.

habakkuk said...

I'm now watching THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. This is great! I just watched the part where Edward G. Robinson (Dothan the naysayer) says: "Yeah see...blame moses for this...yeah, it his fault see"

Wooops....the Egyptians just got swallowed up by the Red Sea!!!! There she blows!!! LOL!

habakkuk said...

hey Whyyoudothat,

are u watchin?

habakkuk said...

Exodus 15:19-21

19For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.

20And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron (and Moses), took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

21And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

habakkuk said...

Charlton Heston (Moses)is up on Mt Sinai now gettting the law.....Hey Mr. Chase Manhattan, Mr. Countrywide, are u watchin? He'll be comin down pretty soon to bring you somethin to read.

neodemes said...

New Tablet handed down:

Beware of false prophets bearing Mortgage Elimination schemes.

LOL

habakkuk said...

Neo said...

"New Tablet handed down:

Beware of false prophets bearing Mortgage Elimination schemes.

LOL "

No, your thinking of the Mel Brooks movie where Moses says: "I bring you these 15 (crack!)....TEN COMMANDMENTS" I think that was one of the 5 dropped ones...LOL

Peanut Gallery said...

Nemo,

You sure been posting alot lately. Is there a bonus program that pays for volume of posts?

Maybe you could use the extra cash and buy yourself a house Mr big time real estate advisor/investor.

LOL

neodemes said...

My services here are gratis.

No need to thank me.

Here's a tip for you, Peanut...

Mortgage Elimination Schemes don't work.

Peanut Gallery said...

Oh I'm not thanking you.
Nice link to your Big Time real estate page.
Do all your toadys that go to your blog know that you own NOTHING in the way of RE

Peanut Gallery said...

Oh I'm not thanking you.
Nice link to your Big Time real estate page.
Do all your toadys that go to your blog know that you own NOTHING in the way of RE

tcob247 said...

Dirty Deeds
The Dorean Group promised hundreds of homeowners that their mortgages would go away. Guess what? They didn't.
By Chris Thompson
Article Published Apr 5, 2006

Craig Sanders

Doreen Bunnell fell for the pitch.Details
Who / What:
The Dorean Group
News Category:
Housing
When Kurt Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman set up the Dorean Group in late 2003, they promised homeowners that just by filing a few simple documents with the county they could completely wipe out hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. Their theory was a gumbo of paranoid conspiracies and self-help gibberish based on an idea known as "vapor money."
According to this fantasy, which has a cult following, all electronically transferred money is inherently fraudulent, the Federal Reserve Bank is controlled by a secret bankers' cabal, and gold and silver are the only legal tender recognized by the Constitution. In spite of the delusional quality of this argument, hundreds of homeowners paid the two men millions of dollars to help eliminate their mortgage debt.

Johnson and Heineman allegedly amassed a fraudulent fortune from homeowners and lending institutions, depositing some of the funds in offshore accounts, according to documents assembled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. On the blog where he has railed for months about his fight with the feds, Johnson himself estimated that he and Heineman made close to $5 million through their Union City operation. Even while he was a fugitive from the law, Johnson published rambling, almost-daily manifestos defending his scheme and declaring himself a servant of the Lord working to thwart the agents of darkness.

Federal law enforcement officials, some of the agents of darkness Johnson had in mind, say the two men presided over one of the most ambitious national real-estate frauds in years. The officials claim that the Dorean Group concocted an arcane, almost delusional racket to fraudulently erase the mortgages of up to 574 homes around the country, defrauding lenders of more than $94 million. Johnson and Heineman have been charged with 68 counts of conspiracy, bank fraud, mail fraud, and contempt of court. After six months in custody, the men are finally approaching their day in court. And if a recent preliminary hearing is any indication, it should be a colorful affair.

On February 17, in the Oakland courtroom of U.S. District Judge Lowell Jensen, Johnson and Heineman were dressed in blue jumpsuits with "Alameda County Jail" stenciled on the backs. Heineman, a skinny young man who looked to be in his thirties, wore his hair in long, curly brown locks; Johnson was fortyish, stocky, and bald. The men had decided to represent themselves, and the judge was about to schedule a hearing to make sure they understood how complicated that would be. That's when Heineman declared that his and Johnson's purpose in court was to expose the sinister secrets of American justice.

As Johnson stood quietly to the side, Heineman claimed that Jensen's court was a "supercilious, Machiavellian" star chamber that carried out the orders of a mysterious, extralegal cabal. Judge Jensen, however, still had a chance to reclaim his honor if he would open his heart to "Christ Jesus."

Jensen briefly humored Heineman. "I think it's a matter of individual choice," he said. "We're here on a matter of civil law, under civil authority."

"The agency exists for you to administer justice under righteousness," Heineman retorted.

As Jensen soldiered onward, and outlined the next step in the trial, Heineman had another point to make. "You also mentioned that we're human beings, and I wanted to verify that," he said. The government, he explained, had declared its intent to prosecute the fictitious entity known as the Dorean Group, as well as Heineman and Johnson. Yet Heineman and Johnson weren't fictitious entities, but human beings. Heineman suggested the government, in some kind of grand existential blunder, had indicted two abstractions. "I don't believe the flesh and blood human beings standing here are being tried or indicted," he concluded.

In court, Heineman and Johnson seemed like colorful fanatics, but as mortgage-elimination gurus, countless otherwise normal American families went along with them anyway. They convinced hundreds of homeowners that they could wipe out their mortgages with just a few signatures on some fancy legal paperwork. Such is the superheated housing market that hundreds of formerly law-abiding citizens were offered an allegedly illegal scam to defraud their banks and said yes, even though some will certainly lose their homes as a result.

Thanks to the surreal housing market, and an explosion of new forms of credit, real-estate fraud has become a quiet epidemic. The FBI recorded more than 21,000 cases of fraud last year — 600 percent more than in 1999 — but since two-thirds of the nation's mortgage lenders didn't report the cases they discovered, the real number may be as high as 60,000. At least $1 billion was stolen from borrowers and lenders in 2005, and just this month the Mortgage Bankers Association urged Congress to commit millions of dollars to a new effort to prosecute mortgage fraud.

But there's more to the story than greedy crooks and unsophisticated borrowers. As the housing market reaches unprecedented levels, members of the middle-class "ownership society" so celebrated by a certain president are choosing to become crooks. When homes were worth $100,000, there wasn't as much incentive to welch on the mortgage. Now that East Bay homes are worth about five times that amount, more homeowners are tempted to imperil their futures on even the most transparent cons.

"We're seeing more real-estate fraud because we're seeing more real-estate activity," says Rachel Dollar, a Marin County attorney and specialist in mortgage-fraud litigation. "More and more borrowers are experiencing payment stress, and that's when it happens."

Hundreds of Americans did business with the Dorean Group. No one knows how many lost their homes or ruined their credit as a result. No one knows how many marriages were destroyed by the stress. But the Dorean Group isn't the country's only "mortgage elimination" business. A Google search can find countless other groups promising that electronic debt is illegal, and that they will help you erase it for a fee. If the housing market cools, and interest rates rise, thousands of homeowners who gambled on risky interest-only loans may feel pressured to fall prey to such schemes.



Very little is known publicly about Kurt Johnson. He tried to call this newspaper once from his Utah jail cell, but did not respond to further requests for comment forwarded through his father, a South Bay physician.

Kurt Johnson was born roughly 43 years ago in Trenton, New Jersey, but his father declines to disclose anything else about his son's background. Johnson freely admits that in the early 1990s, he was sentenced to almost six years in prison for securities fraud. He was paroled after two years, according to the Sacramento Bee.

Sometime in the last few years, Johnson and Heineman began reading about mortgage elimination programs on the Internet. Such schemes aren't just a way to make money; they're a longtime staple for conspiracy theorists who claim the American monetary system is based on a massive fraud perpetrated by a cabal of bankers. The godfather of this movement is G. Edward Griffin, the founder of American Media, a Southern California company that distributes books and videos about conspiracies ranging from the banking system, to the September 11 attacks, to the secret society Skull & Bones. In the early 1990s, Griffin published The Creature from Jekyll Island, the movement's bible, in which he claimed that ever since the United States replaced the gold standard with paper money, the country has been plagued by inflation, while banking elites print money out of thin air to secretly enrich themselves.

"I don't think anybody in the movement is doing it because they're trying to get something for nothing," says Scot Runyon, spokesman for the mortgage elimination business Li-Bo Enterprises. "They just know they're in a system that's not working for anybody except those who know you can turn money out of thin air. ... You ever see the movie The Matrix? Go back and look at it a couple times. That movie is a lot deeper than most people think."

Like many other such businesses, Johnson and Heineman created the Dorean Group to invalidate hundreds of mortgages based on this theory. Homeowners gave the two men a fee ranging from $1,500-$4,500 and signed their property over to them. Dorean representatives then sent the lending institution a document, according to the federal indictment, demanding that the lender prove "to the unilateral satisfaction of the Dorean Group" that the loan was not based on fraud. Failure to respond within ten days, the document added, constituted tacit assent that the loan was fraudulent and invalid. After ten days, the indictment said, Johnson or Heineman filed documents with the county government stating that the debt on the property had been wiped out. Sometimes, they used the supposedly debt-free property as collateral to take out a second mortgage, proceeds of which they split with their client. In theory, they could invalidate the second loan with the same process and borrow more money against the property in perpetuity.

Johnson and Heineman even used their theory to sue lending institutions to force them to acknowledge their loans were fraudulent. In January 2005, federal judge William Alsup categorically rejected their claims, calling their operation "an elaborate Internet scam" and fining their lawyer Thomas Spielbauer $10,000.

Spielbauer declined to comment for this story. But Judge Alsup wrote, "The court here has seen the scam at work. Greater bad faith would be hard to imagine."



Johnson and Heineman's legal rationale may be difficult to comprehend, but the pain and anxiety their "clients" have gone through is all too real. From Alaska to Florida, credit collection officials are knocking on doors and threatening to seize the homes of families who trusted the wrong people.

Doreen Bunnell knows she did something stupid. Bunnell spent years making the drive from Stanislaus County to Silicon Valley, where she worked a number of blue-collar gigs. She slept at her father's house, worked twelve-hour shifts, and returned to the Salida home she'd dedicated her life to financing. Then in 2002, she lost her job, and the bills started mounting. Someone told her about the Dorean Group. "There is now a PROVEN legal and moral way of eliminating your mortgage while adding $50K to your pocket," the company claimed on its Web site.

Bunnell signed the title to her property over to Dorean, and in August 2004, she was allegedly told her that debt was gone and she could stop making her mortgage payments. "I asked if properties were getting cleared, and they said, 'On a regular basis,'" Bunnell recalls. "They said when this is over, I'm gonna come out way ahead, and 'we're looking out for you,' blah blah blah. I was sort of brainwashed."

Then came the threats from Bunnell's lenders. Then came the foreclosure process. Then came the man from the Stanislaus County District Attorney's office. That's when Bunnell realized the Dorean Group was the subject of a criminal investigation. Far from clearing out her debts, she had gotten so far behind in her mortgage she would almost certainly lose her home.

Bunnell tried to sell her house or refinance her loan. But the Dorean Group still held title to the property, and they allegedly refused to release her title unless she paid them $5,000. She filed for bankruptcy in October. She went on food stamps and antidepressants, and took a part-time job distributing food samples at Costco. A few months ago, she says, she thought about killing herself. "At one point, well, I didn't want to be here no more," she says. "Let's put it that way."

Now she spends most of her time waiting for the day she must surrender her house. Bankruptcy court officials recently promised to help get her title back, so she could at least get a piece of the equity. But her life as she knew it is over. "It was my mistake, and I'm paying for it," she says. "I lost everything. I sold most of my furniture just to pay for bankruptcy. ... I've been packing to move little by little, just selling what I can to support myself. ... The only time I can bring myself to be happy is if I'm around people, and that's why I like handing out samples at Costco. I don't have to think about this till I get home."



Remarkably enough, though, some clients still believe in Johnson's scheme — even after the trouble they got in. Gayle Marie Bradshaw works as a colonic hydrotherapist in Sacramento. She swears the banking cabals have perpetrated a secret plot to control our money, and believes that the Dorean Group's technique would be rock-solid if only they ironed out some technical details. "Bank cartels set up the IRS and the Federal Reserve, and took the ability to print money out of the hands of Congress, and now it's private banking that does it," Bradshaw says. "We're paying interest on money that we should be able to create ourselves."

Last year, however, Bradshaw had considerably less confidence in the Dorean way. "I was more scared now than ever," she wrote in notes to herself on September 13, 2004. "I am losing my home, and the DA's coming to my house." After a Dorean employee told her to stop paying her mortgage, Bradshaw was swamped with contacts from creditors; a collection agency called her four to eight times a day, she wrote, even calling her neighbors and asking them to bang on her door. A terrified Bradshaw finally got a lawyer, who called Kurt Johnson in an effort to get Bradshaw's title back. Johnson reluctantly agreed. "I regret that it is too scary for you," Bradshaw recalled Johnson telling her. "I do not fear the investigators or the nonsense of the banks, so I will remain in the fight."

Bradshaw eventually agreed to pay a higher monthly payment to make up her arrears, and her creditors let her keep her house. She still thinks they're frauds, but she knows when she is licked. "I'll never try this again," she says. "No matter how corrupt something is, I'm not big enough to buck the system. And the politicians are too corrupt. The banking system is too big. Our worlds are controlled by the banking system."



The Dorean Group made a lot of money in a matter of months, but the cops got hip to its scheme just as fast. In August 2004, agents in the San Francisco office of the FBI got a call from some South Carolina counterparts, who first learned of the racket from a local bank. According to an affidavit filed to support a search warrant for Dorean's office, agents learned the details after they began scrutinizing records that Johnson and Heineman had filed with county governments. For example, Johnson offered banks a "bond" to get the property out of debt, but in order to cash the bond, banking officials had to sign a statement admitting that their loan was fraudulent all along. The bond was supposedly underwritten by the First Mutual Trust of Switzerland, but when federal agents investigated First Mutual, they discovered its address belonged to a flower shop.

FBI investigators conducted surveillance of the Dorean Group's office, interviewed victims, and talked with William Jeffries, a former cop who acted as a broker for Dorean in South Carolina. Throughout 2004, FBI agent Matthew Ernst alleged in an affidavit, hundreds of thousands of dollars were deposited in a Bank of America checking account controlled by Johnson and Heineman, and then transferred to a bank in Latvia, in the former Soviet Union. Ernst concluded in his affidavit that Dorean's operation was "permeated by fraud."

On February 1, 2005, the feds raided Dorean's Union City headquarters. They seized every computer, financial record, and notarized document they could find, as well as $178,000 from the company bank account. A few weeks later, Dorean started fighting back. According to Alex Grab, an attorney for Hannover Properties, the company that owns Dorean's office complex, Johnson and Heineman filed documents in federal court, listing both Judge Alsup and FBI agent Gordon McDonald as their "fiduciaries." The documents asserted that if Alsup or McDonald did anything contrary to the Dorean Group's economic interest, they would be violating their fiduciary duties and owe Johnson and Heineman $10 million. "They look and sound legal if you're not a lawyer," Grab says.

Once Dorean's funds were frozen, it fell behind in its rent, and Hannover sent out a three-day notice. "In response to that, they sent what seems to be a pretty wacky document," Grab recalls. "It's a 'sight draft.' It exists in banking lore. From what I understand, it's an outdated equivalent of a cashier's check. So Hannover Properties got this check for $60,000. It said, 'payable through Gordon C. McDonald, fiduciary.' Of course, he's the FBI agent."

According to a source in the investigation, Dorean's officials even bought a new truck and told the dealer to collect the money from their fiduciary at the FBI. The salesman went so far as to show up at the FBI's Concord office, looking for someone to pay him.

But by early last summer, time had run out for the men. A prosecutor in Salt Lake County, Utah, had been preparing his own indictments and issued a warrant for the arrest of Heineman and Johnson. Heineman was taken into custody, but Johnson vanished. As cops searched the Bay Area for him, Johnson's blog appeared on the Web. "I am currently a fugitive as I write my first posting and my partner Scott remains in jail on a fugitive warrant without bail," Johnson wrote. "This is the perfect example of the government abusing its powers to protect the elitist banker cartel."

From then on, Johnson posted a note almost every day. On July 17, after Judge Alsup issued a restraining order banning the Dorean Group from eliminating mortgages, Johnson penned a long diatribe. "Judge Alsup is a political hack," he wrote. "This type of man is a coward and needs to lose the very office he has no respect for. ... Now he appears again with a civil charge to put me out of business with the same old rhetoric of criminal conduct as his basis. Come on judge, if you have any nuts under that dress put your money where your mouth is. I will even help you bring me to trial as a crook."

Johnson was arrested a few days later, and he and Heineman have spent every day since then in custody. Johnson then began sending letters to a "proxy," who would later post them for Johnson on his blog. In September, Johnson announced that he was embarking upon a fast, and his letters started getting weird. Complaints from his former clients flooded in, but Johnson was unrepentant. "Some of you complain because of your personal loss," he wrote in October. "Should I owe you endless concern for the $1,500 that you paid me? Is that really your expectation? I owe no one except myself; I will do all within my power and skill set (which I am certain is greater than most) to advance a truth that is more important than my life."

By November 6, Johnson had spent almost four months in jail. The Salt Lake County District Attorney's office was preparing to drop the charges, clearing the way for Johnson and Heineman to be extradited to San Francisco to face federal charges. Johnson seemed more erratic than ever. He had already filed a "notice and remedy contract" with his public defender, David Mack, claiming that his name was a registered trademark, and Mack's attempt to represent him in court would cost him a $500,000 "copy write [sic] infringement fee." Finally, Johnson even wrote a new chapter for the Bible, which he called the "Song of Kurt."

"You, Lord, have hidden me away in the jails of my enemy," Johnson wrote. "I was made the reproach of many. Unjustly I was accused of evils. I suffered betrayals from all who claimed friend. .... Worthy is the lamb to receive glory, honor and praise for his meditation, undeserved, moves the heavens and moves my soul to adoration. He who sets the path of lightning, tells the oceans where to cease, heard my prayers and befriended me through His loving kindness. Great is thy faithfulness and amazing Your grace, for who can separate me from Your love? The Lord reigns forever and ever!"



The Dorean Group's adventure is reaching its final chapter. Johnson and Heineman are scheduled to be tried before Judge William Alsup over the next few months. If convicted, they face sentences of up to thirty years in prison.

It's hard to know what to call the hundreds of homeowners who participated in the Dorean Group's scheme. Some, like Gayle Bradshaw, really believe in Johnson's vision of banking cabals, phony money, and mysterious forces beyond our control. Some let their greed overwhelm their basic common sense. Some are simply suckers who believe anything if it comes with a notarized statement. But others were ordinary people who got into a superheated housing market, binged on debt, watched the mortgage payments empty their bank accounts, and panicked.

If market conditions change in the next few years, the ranks of this last group are bound to swell. In the last quarter of 2005, the number of mortgage default notices in California rose 19 percent, according to the research firm DataQuick Information Systems. One of the factors contributing to this spike is the huge growth in interest-only loans, relatively high-risk instruments that offer low payments in the short term but often ultimately depend upon homeowners being able to refinance later. In 2005, 50.7 percent of East Bay homebuyers took out such loans. If the housing market cools, many of these homeowners will no longer be able to escape the interest-only trap by refinancing. And if interest rates rise from the historically low levels at which they have been hovering, mortgage payments around the country will follow. More and more desperate borrowers will be susceptible to mortgage elimination schemes. Honest citizens will be tempted by fraud.

Kenneth Sims typifies the members of this nebulous class, the hundreds of borrowers whom some might call victims, others accomplices, and others just plain stupid. Sims bought his three-bedroom Fresno house 22 years ago. Every day, he commuted to Sacramento, where he worked as a material handler for an electricians' union until he was injured and could no longer work. Roughly twelve months ago, an acquaintance told him that the Dorean Group could free him from more than two decades of mortgage payments. "I was told that I could get it canceled," he says. "That appealed to me, right there."

Sims was a chump, just like the rest. He didn't check out the law; he just signed over title to his property and mailed off the check. A few months later, a Dorean Group representative sent word that everything was taken care of, and he could stop paying his mortgage. But the bank had other ideas, and threatened to foreclose on his house. Sims tried to ask what to do, but the Dorean Group never gave him a phone number. "They sent me letters in the mail," Sims recalls. "I couldn't contact nobody, 'cause I didn't have the information to contact them. ... They were supposed to do what they were going to do without us contacting them."

Eventually, Sims realized he would have to make things right with his bank. He refinanced his house to clear his back payments, and essentially wiped out all the equity he had built up. After 21 years of paying his mortgage, Sims owes almost as much as when he started. When asked about how he feels about Johnson and Heineman, he snapped, "Don't you feel like fightin' mad when a cat scratch you?"

Kenneth Sims was an ordinary homeowner who nearly destroyed his life as a result of a few letters in the mail. Eventually, when the housing market plateaus, thousands of homeowners around the country will face the same choices that he did.

KYHOOYA said...

To Neo Numnuts

First off let me put your concern about my typing finger to rest. (I mention this first thing on post because as you have noted in your reply to me that you skip right by my post(to complicated for you to understand with that pee brain of your) so this way you don’t miss it when your SIDE STEPPING even the simplest of QUESTION AS you & the rest of your lemmings ALWAYS DO. Your pathetic and what this I hear you don’t even own a home and you give out advise about the loan process and signing of doc ‘s How in the hell do you no about what it takes to sign and understand those doc’s you don’t know shit why don’t you come back when you can say that you have at least one home’s worth of exp. In till then
SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE MR. REALASTATE ADVISE WEB SITE WHAT A JOKE



ALL IN ALL PUT THIS ASIDE FOR NOW AND WE CAN PICK IT UP AFTER THE HOLIDAY

YOU HAVE A HAPPY EASTER
And I mean that

son of a prophet said...

hello,

just thought that i would drop in for a moment before celegbrating a resurrection of Yeshua dinner to show how the 'other side' might spend their holidays.....
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An Easter Sunday Illuminati Special:

If You Want To Share A Good Glass Of 'Blood Red' With Baroness Philippine de Rothschild, Opus One Winery In The Napa Valley Is The Place To Go


A California researcher has located another Bohemian Grove, providing a guided tour of a devil worshipping compound fronting as a vinyard. The logo of Opus One is the two-headed Janus or the spirit who divides, the symbol being an important part of Illuminati mind control.


16 Apr 2006

By Greg Szymanski




An Illuminati holiday story worth mentioning involves the Opus One Winery in Napa Valley, a place were some of the diabolical gang of madmen trying to take over the world are spending the Easter Weekend.



Opus One fronts as a vineyard, but actually is a satanic, deviling worshipping hideaway similar to Bohemian Grove, located just to the east and north of San Francisco.



According to an inquisitive California researcher, the land for Opus One, meaning First Work, was secretly purchased in the late 1960s, its construction shrouded in secrecy. The secret, satanic winery, according to wine tasters, is known for its light but refreshing chardonnay but its specialty is said to be a very dry and heavy "blood red."




"Strangely, the Napa Valley Register which reports all building activity remained extremely quiet about what was being built. From the air, the construction forms a Masonic square and compass," said the researcher in a 2003 fly-over of the Illuminati compound, built by Baron Rothschild and completed by his wife, the Baroness Philippine de Rothschild and famous winemaker Robert Mondavi, known to put just a touch of blood in his red wine during dinner.



"The entire project of buying the land, building Opus 1, and operating it has been shrouded in secrecy. The wineries in California when they open traditionally and normally are open to the public. The opening ceremonies of Opus 1 were shrouded in secrecy.



"The opening announcement was low key and only select people and select International media types were invited. This opening is extremely unusual for a winery in the Napa Valley area. Private guided tours are very hard to obtain of Opus 1, in contrast to the other wineries in Napa Valley. Further, the estate that the winery (temple) sits on is very protected and secluded. The wrought iron gates are always closed."




The inquisitive researcher, who later has a secret spy take a tour of the compound, said the inner theme of the numbers 3 and 6 runs throughout the large Opus I pyramid building, as well as the number 666. He added that little circles frequently appear throughout the compound, having Illuminati significance.



The inquisitive researcher, acting as an Illuminati holiday tour guide, provided this brief description of what lies inside the Luciferian holiday hideaway and some Illuminati history to go along with the devilish d飯r:



On the Inside hidden stairwells and other hidden features have been built in. The capstone of the pyramid has a rotunda where skylight penetrates the capstone and where viewers can get a view of the entire Napa Valley. There have numerous Rothschilds who have entered into the various Masonic rites. For Instance, Louis Rothschild was a 32? Scottish Rite Mason in Chicago during the 1890's.




The reason for this is that Freemasonry is used as type of early class for those who are in the Illuminati to get them familiar with the symbols of the Mystery religions and give them more practice with hand signals, rituals, and secrecy. Orchids, which are used by the Mothers of Darkness, are grown all over the area. Orchids are the only type of flower grown on the site, and they are cared for by apparently Mothers of Darkness who are dressed in all black, which is the standard color of garb of the Mothers of Darkness.



The pyramid was built with limestone from Texas. No doubt there is some occult significance to the site that the limestone came from. The limestone itself has fossils, which have been hidden from easy view for some reason. Remember the ancient Egyptian pyramids used limestone.)



Originally Opus I was scheduled to open around the Summer Solstice but the date was shifted to Wednesday, Oct. 30, 1991 which is the day before Halloween. Since the opening day, the Rothschilds have had events scheduled around Satanic high days. Those who are familiar with the occult know that these events are covers for Satanic rituals which are held secretly.



The land has wrought iron gates which are locked at all times. Some of the occult Items which private visitors saw within the pyramid were: a book on wine depicting orgies by Salvadore Dailey who is a Satanist, a blue-black picture with naked ritual dancers, and other strange occultic pieces of art (such as an oil painting of what looked like Satan).



Massive draconian oak doors are built facing the hail that leads to the room where wine is tasted. Mirrors abound in the place. The guilded art work on the mirrors is often Rococo. The Baroness personally designed and furnished the interior. The upside down peace sign is found designed in some of the furniture as barren trees. Two trees of life from Peru are by the fireplace. The tree of life is by the way very important to this level of the Illuminati. Visitors also can see three Mouton ceremonial drinking cups with ram and chairs which had the carvings on the front arms/legs of fully formed demons were found in one of the rooms.



One very important aspect the Illuminati tour guide didn't mention is that the logo of Opus One is the two-headed Janus or the spirit who divides, this symbol being an important part of Illuminati mind control.



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Another thing the inquisitive researcher wanted to mention before leaving the inner sanctums of Opus One was that "the enemy has only images and illusions behind which he hides his true motives. ++++++Destroy the image and you will break the enemy."+++++

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Editor's Note: Being somewhat of wine tasting expert after spending more than six years in Italy, if you're looking for a good glass of "blood red", Opus One is to place to go.

neModemes said...

neodemes sez:

"I’m Butt Ugly"

Agreed.

LOL

neodemes said...

Happy Easter

tcob247 said...

kagoofy

"don’t miss it when your SIDE STEPPING even the simplest of QUESTION AS you & the rest of your lemmings ALWAYS DO."

Who gave you the right to demand answers to your questions????

You side step more than anyone else

Are you a Dorean client?

imbigo said...

HAPPY RESURRECTION!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

wantobefree said...

MOGEL:LITTLE LATE WITH MY RESPONCE,I DONT HAVE TIME TO GET ON HERE EVERY HOUR I WORK FOR A LIVING NOT SCAM PEOPLE.IT DONT MATTER WHO I HEARD ABOUT THIS PROCESS FROM,BUT YOU WILL SOON.WHATS THIS JOKE ABOUT GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK AND LOSING 10% TO CHARITY WHOS CHARITY

mogel said...

Article said: "Heineman, a skinny young man who looked to be in his thirties, wore his hair in long, curly brown locks; Johnson was fortyish, stocky, and bald."

If the writer can't even get the Defendants straight, should you believe the writer is being thorough & accurate in his reporting. LOL

Article also says that the address of the Trust Company is a flower shop? Why can't the writer be accurate & just say that is the address THAT WAS USED to register the business? You can use a PO Box to register a business if you like, or even an address where you don't live. That isn't illegal. Their are thousands of businesses or corporations registered there in that same city of the Trust Company. WAs that also mentioned in this article or was the article slanted in its presentation? Does that mean they are all shell companies with no real offices? Of course not. How about all of the businesses that are registered in the Bahamas where that is not the main office of the companies? Are we to believve they are all shell or fraudulent companies too or hiding something? If the writer did any examinations, he would find that their are several physical offices throughout the world for the Trust Company, but he didn't do his due diligence.

The article also said that the banks have to sign an affidavit in order to cash the bond, saying they committed fraud in the loan. I challenge the writer to produce this. Another outrageous statement not even close to being true. Also the "unilateral decision" by the Dorean Group, whether the lender has validated the debt is also untrue. The challenge asks for ANY affidavit signed by the lender, & even asks that the lender allow a CPA to audit the lenders records & demands that the lender point for point refute each allegation. That is not a UNILATERAL decision or even a unilateral challenge. How is that a unilateral decision of truth when you make a challenge & simply ask for a response? The Dorean challenge just asks for proof or an answer to each of the approx. 45 statements of affirmation that are signed under oath by the Dorean Group. The lenders just ignore this because they cannot provide ANY documentation to refute the challenge & they provide nothing to contest the Dorean challenge. "An unrebutted statement under oath becomes prima facia evidence or the facts in the case." After all, there is nothing more to go on.

Also silence by the lender gives the Dorean Group according to the challenge contract, the legal right to cancel the mortgage & record it discharged & have the Dorean Group become the agent for the lender. If the Dorean's power of attorney goes unrefutted by silence or by their actions of not proving anything, how can there be any fraud or bad intent on the part of Dorean? If the lenders don't honor the recorded documents, they have been noticed, & by their default & their actions, they are the ones committing bank fraud through their foreclosure actions on Dorean clients knowing full well they don't have the right to foreclose according to public records. Was these issues even mentioned in this article?

Also when the FBI unfairly & wrongly seized Dorean's monies, without due process, they in fact became Dorean's fiduciaries by their actions. After all, they took Dorean's monies, just like a bank takes your deposit monies. They are obviously a fiduciary & if they are told to pay specific bills & don't, they are acting badly. It doesn't take a legal scholar to reason this out. When they didn't honor the rent bill, they in fact become liable for all damages caused by Dorean's eviction & loss of business income & damages to the Dorean business. Judge Alsup, who violated his office through his ridiculous & unfair decisions & bad conduct becomes liable too & is not immune from prosecution. He has to think about that day & night.

Chris, you are a loser,& not even a fair reporter. Get your facts straight & learn how to write a more accurate & fair article next time.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Good Post Mogel!

mogel said...

Want To be Free said: "MOGEL:LITTLE LATE WITH MY RESPONCE,I DONT HAVE TIME TO GET ON HERE EVERY HOUR I WORK FOR A LIVING NOT SCAM PEOPLE.IT DONT MATTER WHO I HEARD ABOUT THIS PROCESS FROM,BUT YOU WILL SOON.WHATS THIS JOKE ABOUT GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK AND LOSING 10% TO CHARITY WHOS CHARITY

You're a loser too. YOu weren't asked to spend hours here, just answer a simple question. Too hard for you obviously. You're just like the banks, you don't want to tell all of the facts, you just want to make stupid accusations & pervert the real facts. You're just like the banks too in that you don't want to provide full disclosure of who you are or your unfounded statements.

Obviously you aren't free, so your username is a "misnomer" because you don't understand the scam of the banks, nor do you have a deep understanding of the Dorean process or what has been done for you, nor have I heard you to be outraged by how the banks operate. Why is that? Am I a bigger scammer than the banks? If not, you have just proved that you are the idiot that you are by your own words. If you never believed that the banks are scamming people, why on earth did you ever enter the process? Another simple question you will never answer for me since you are a working man, & don't have the time, but I had to throw it out there.


It does matter who you heard about the process from because that person received a large portion of your upfront monies too & I don't see you calling them names on this blog or demanding from them to return your monies either. How fair is that? You don't even know how much money that agent received, or how much money went to Dorean, so how can you make the stupid statment, "I know where the monies are" referring to your costs in the program?

Your statement: "I work for a living" confirms to me who you are now. YOu have made that statement before to me. Don't you think most people work for a living? Do you think there was no work involved at all to put you through the process? You're an idiot. Grow up & take responsibilities for your own decisions & your actions & the consequences of those actions. You're one of the biggest cry babies I've ever listened too & you make more money than most people on this blog too. I know who you are. Think about that next time you want to open your foul mouth. As to your question about a refund, this has been answered many times to you how & when this will work. YOu just aren't listening as usual or spending the time to think. As far as the charity... it is your choice, but you'd already know that if you had average reading comprehension.

mogel said...

neodemes sez:

"I’m Butt Ugly"

Agreed.

LOL

Was that issue ever in dispute?
Did I miss something? LOL

neodemes said...

mogel sez:

"I know who you are. Think about that next time you want to open your foul mouth."

Uh-oh. Moogies resorting to making threats now. And on Easter Sunday, too.

Not nice.

Way to keep promoting the scam though.

TTFN

neodemes said...

Don't distort the facts, there moogie.

Nemodemes, most likely your fraudulent alter ego, sez "I'm Butt Ugly".

Try to keep up, scammer boy.

neodemes said...

mogel sez:

"Judge Alsup, who violated his office through his ridiculous & unfair decisions & bad conduct becomes liable too & is not immune from prosecution. He has to think about that day & night."

Maybe his honor had best make sure to round up all the players and make sure they all get tucked away so he can sleep at night, eh Byron?

mogel said...

Neodemesne: There's a difference between promoting something & defending something. Obviously, you don't know or understand the difference. I am not getting paid to defend the process at this time nor am I seeking new clients. The business is defunct. You are PROMOTING the antithesis of the process by all of your snied comments & defamation that the process doesn't work & never will work favorable for clients ever. What is the difference? YOu have your view. I have mine.

I mentioned, "I know who you are" which is not a threat but an acknowledgment that the person cannot in incognito make unfair statements & think that I don't know who is slandering me. You're not smart enough to discern that? You of all people have complained about people saying things under the protection & cowardice of a username not once, but many, many times. I never criticized you for that intent & your point there. You of all people should understand why I made that statement, but obviously you missed my point again. Or maybe you didn't miss my point of why I said that, & maybe just wanted to play spindoctor again. My personality doesn't change regardless of what day it is. Must you always look for negatives?

mogel said...

Nemodemes, most likely your fraudulent alter ego, sez "I'm Butt Ugly".

No, I never accused you of being that way. Some facts never have to be questioned & some things are never disputed. Some things are just accepted as life facts. I assumed this was a fact since you admitted it & no evidence was put forth to the contrary, but there was evidence to your admittance which was an infamous picture put on your website. I assume this was done by your "alter ego".

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Maybe his honor had best make sure to round up all the players and make sure they all get tucked away so he can sleep at night, eh Byron?"

By all means, set a Court precedent that it is illegal to make & do a written challenge to someone you do business with like a bank. By all means, crowd the already crowded jails with taxpayers monies or better yet, build more jails. After all, we lead the world in the number of inmates. We need more. We all know how this curtails & prevents crime & how America is the land of the moral & free. Imprison all of the clients as well as all of the promoters in the process simply because they believe they were exercising their own legal rights to have a debt validated.

By all means believe that the banks are being defrauded & financially hurt when the worse thing that was done was that the Title to the property was clouded if it wasn't in fact legally discharged. Bank fraud? Where is the financial damages to the lender when they foreclose on the property & according to you there isn't even one success anyway & the properties are sold at foreclosure sale for monies to the lender. No harm, no foul, no jail time seems to be the logic here. Can't answer that, can you? Don't bring the clients into this issue since none of the charges involve the clients or their afflictions. Discuss this according to the charges only please.

neodemes said...

Actually, the players I was referring to were the broker/agents, like you.

Its not the bank's damages that concern me, Byron, its the people y'all lied to with "100 successes and proven method" that lost their homes. They were the ones hurt by your scam.

You don't think you deserve jail time for that?

Thank God I won't have a say in the decision.

Judge Alsup, the guy you insist on smearing in the Blog, may have a thought or to on the matter, genius.

Good luck with that.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Its not the bank's damages that concern me, Byron, its the people y'all lied to with "100 successes and proven method" that lost their homes. They were the ones hurt by your scam."

It's funny the 67 Federal Court charges don't list any alleged damages or claims by clients or losses of clients homes in the Federal indictment. How can any losses of the clients prove bank fraud anyway? The Federal Court is not acting in behalf of the damages of the clients or their best interests anyway. Obviously the Courts so far don't care about the clients, so why should YOU being the supporter of how fair & righterous the Court System & their court precedences have in your mind, been on these issues?

The Court just cares about bank fraud & how the lenders are allegedly affected. If there is no bank fraud, all of the other charges, mail fraud, wire fraud, etc. fall by the wayside. Don't you see that if there is no bank fraud, if this can't be proven & established in Court, by expert proof & testimony, then, all of the mortgages discharges done by Dorean are in fact legal & must be accepted, hence, all of the clients have claims against the lenders & in the end, this will be a proven & successful process & ALL CLIENTS WILL BE RICHLY REWARDED, HENCE ANY PREVIOUS LOSSES WILL BE MORE THAN MADE UP FOR in the long run.

I ask the question again to you or anyone else, where is the bank fraud on the part of Dorean & how are the banks financially damaged here & how do you measure that fraud & explain it in financial terms due to the Dorean Process? The federal indictment is ALL ABOUT THE DOREAN PROCESS & has nothing addressed about clients WOES. To prove fraud, the Court must prove that the Dorean bond & the Trust Company is invalid or fraudulent & that Dorean left the banks no remedy at all. Or the lenders need to prove someone that the Dorean Group didn't have any agency or power of attorney relationship with the banks & that "agency by estoppel" is an invalid legal doctrine. No one to date has proven either, not your website, & surely not any Court.

The best the latest NEWSPAPER article could do was to say that the Trust Company is a flower shop somehow trying to insinutate that they aren't a legitimate institution & that isn't even important what address is where the Trust Company registered itself. It doesn't prove the bond invalid due to the address listed where the trust company registered it's business. The bond is suppose to be the insurance valve for the Dorean presentment to protect the Principles, agents, & clients from any claims of fraud, for it is a legitimate tender of payment to the lender, in case Dorean was wrong about the lender not lending their own assets, a doctrine & belief you vehemently defend. If the Dorean Group was wrong about their affirmations, then, the lender has redress, hence, STILL no fraud & no financial damages to the lender & no jail time for anyone. You see, we win either way.

The Federal Court is not concerned with the clients nor are the charges addressed by way of alleged client damages due to the illegal foreclosure of the banks, who are the real culprits of the clients woes anyway. You should put the blame where the blame belongs. The banks caused financial damages to clients, but you have never once criticized the banks.

You're only concerned with the clients? That's a stupid statement. You have been obsessed with demeaning all of the supporters of the process since day one. Anyone who reads your website shows you are NOT concerned ONLY with the clients. YOu have lied pure & simple. YOu have spent most of your posts not out of concern for clients, but to somehow try to prove a meaningless point. You obviously spend alot of your time trying to prove this is a scam. You obviously care more about trying to proving that this will never work out, rather than your pious concern for the welfare of the clients. Tell me what have you financially contributed to financially help the woes of clients? Nothing I expect, SO YOUR WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS & UNTRUE.

If it does work out favorably in the end for the Dorean clients, then, all of your work to fight the process, in fact hurt all of the potential people that could have & would have joined the process but didn't because of your words & in fact, your words & website also hurt the current clients you claimed you were trying to protect all along because they lost faith BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO YOU. You should be more concerned about being wrong in the end, & in fact, this is & has been your main concern all along . It's called pride, one of the 7 deadly sins. You're major CONCERN is about being right, but you can't be right when you've been wrong all along.

It's like in the book, Huckleberry Finn when Huck tried to pray a lie. He prayed to God to do the right thing & turn Jim, the slave, & his friend, into the authorities for running away. But, Huck learned, "you can't pray a lie" because it violates one's conscience. You have been praying a lie since day one. YOu're the one that needs to be put in jail & all the one's that protect the real bad guys through their sophistry, deceit & lies.

mogel said...

Nemo said: Judge Alsup, the guy you insist on smearing in the Blog, may have a thought or to on the matter, genius.

You're wrong Nemo genius, it's "may have a thought or two", NOT TO. If you are going to sarcastically call me a genius, the least you can do is spell correctly, well at least the words that only have 2 or 3 letters.

I don't care what Mr. Alsup says, since he has no legal jurisdiction since he has already violated his oath of office in my opinion & hence any decisions he renders are legally worthless due to his conflict of interests in this case anyway & will be appealable anyway if he rules unfavorably. He has already shown his true colors & his inability to be fair by his previous actions. No wonder this case will never go to trial.

Judges can't legally rule on a case & further the case when it has been first dismissed by a Plaintiff. Mr. Alsup ruled later in those 10 Civil cases filed by Dorean & ruled unfavorably against Dorean when he had no jurisdiction to do so once the cases were first dismissed by Dorean & in fact they were. This shows that the Judge will do whatever he wants to prove his own point, despite the Court rules of conduct. He's actually kind of alot like you, no wonder you admire him. YOu want me to respect someone that has their own agenda? I thought we were suppose to respect the office & the reverence of the position, not the man. When a man acts indifferently & unrighteously to his oath of office, then, the man disrespects himself. I don't disrespect anyone by pointing out their folly.

neodemes said...

to, two. oh, gosh, a typo. oh no.

Should I point out your error of suppose vs. supposed?

I should help to financially bail out your clients while your boys hold their millions in a bank somewhere?

You really are a freak of nature moogie.

But, hold onto that pipe dream of success...you must be smokin' something strong.

neModemes said...

neodemes said...
to, two. oh, gosh, a typo. oh no.

Should I point out your error of suppose vs. supposed?

I should help to financially bail out your clients while your boys hold their millions in a bank somewhere?

You really are a freak of nature moogie.

But, hold onto that pipe dream of success...you must be smokin' something strong.


Great rebuttal to points made by "moogie" that shows your own agenda, ugly duckling.

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