Monday, July 17, 2006

The Law is Dead

Man has an ability to use regulations as a vehicle to abuse power. Even one will abuse themselves with constant condemnation for a failure to uphold a code of conduct they believe to be beneficial but cannot maintain. Man will gravitate to codes fearing that their absence is anarchy. This is a spiritual truth as well as social truth. There are over 60,000,000 statutes; codes and regulations Americans are supposedly responsible to. This is impossible yet we strive to make them relevant. God’s law is equally impossible with a harsher penalty of death yet all want to be subject to it. God issued His decree, covenant, testament, contract of law that no man could keep. He himself had to keep it and offer a new testament, covenant, contract to with a hope. This is the contract of faith in God’s word. Christ being the first goer and finisher of this faith. The law (the torah) is now completely irrelevant. A great chasm or gulf now separates these two contracts. The prior law is of none affect. The Fruities, Tcobs and Neos of this world look to condemn others using this irrelevant law while violating the relevant law of faith. In society we are doing the same thing. The relevant law is the law of contracts. This is the law behind the irrelevant law of codes, statutes, and regulations. Without a contract with the sovereigns these agents have no power. A delegation of power does not remove power from the principle (sovereign) only assigns a use. The minute they breach this duty they are powerless. This is the same in the spirit. Once you demand the obsolete law you become powerless because you have breached your duty of trust to the sovereign. The sovereign has no obligations to you. We need to learn these truths in this life and for the next. It is time to place these agents of contempt into their proper place of irrelevance. In street language we need to tell these ogres to take their irrelevant laws and stick it. I’ve told Fruity and the like and I’m telling these imposter agents of the United States by the law of contracts that I’m sovereign and you are irrelevant. The new covenant was a gospel of power, the power to change and receive the mind of Christ. In society you need to stay within the mind of sovereignty and live with power to change. It will affect every transaction of your life once you foreclose on the power you lent to abusive agents. The law of contracts is the core to any law spiritual or otherwise. If you don’t control life at this level you become subject to the whim of others who have stolen your power. You are free; a gift from God, and that, which enslaves you, is a lie. Faith is not cheap grace but a courageous action of trusting when all hell is against you. The parallels are impossible to avoid in my current circumstance and will be made clearer once I have exposed the irrelevance of the judiciary, congress, and the executive. Force is not equal to authority, or power. We began at DOREAN to show the nakedness of one whore and got the twin sister exposed for free. Though these fools din into your head with a constant barrage of court TV, legal advice, accounting, tax advice, tainted media, education, and spiritual foolishness, get to the contract, stay on your feet, and enter, execute, and perform on contracts that maintain your rights, title, and interest.

37 comments:

neodemes said...

"Neos of this world look to condemn others using this irrelevant law while violating the relevant law of faith."

Oh, really? When? Where? Show me of what you speak.

Don't presume to know my heart.

You condemned yourself the moment you made false promises to your followers.

That's documentable.

Let me know when you are 'free & clear'.

Justice777777 said...

NEO: YOUR SUCH A FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH WELL ,JUST CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH AN IDIOT, I GIVE UP.

Justice777777 said...

NEO: YOUR SUCH A FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH WELL JUST CANNOT COMMUNICATE WITH AN IDIOT I GIVE UP.

WillToFight said...

Kurt said very well...

We began at DOREAN to show the nakedness of one whore and got the twin sister exposed for free. Though these fools din into your head with a constant barrage of court TV, legal advice, accounting, tax advice, tainted media, education, and spiritual foolishness, get to the contract, stay on your feet, and enter, execute, and perform on contracts that maintain your rights, title, and interest.
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That is the Truth and those are the Facts!

son of a prophet said...

hab,

all of what you quoted is correct.

one little thing that you have overlooke tho.

this doctrine of layng on the hands, baptisms, etc. applied to those who were already saved and HAD the power of the HS with them already.

they were not the elect, whom mostly all are today.

in those days the saved could heal the sick by laying on their hands on them.

see anyone doing that today???

IF you have HS upon you, YOU can baptise someone in the HS.

all pastors today do not have the HS becdause all churches today are not biblical.

they are 501c corporations.

corporations are agents of the state.

yeshua had nothing to do with the state.

and there are many other reasons as well.

ticktoc123 said...

If this is the position Kurt takes in court - he will lose the case.
The very people he condems will use the system & "truths" he rejects against him.
I do hope he has an argument that uses current legal understanding in his trial.
If he doesn't - all of us need to pull out of this program & write off our losses.

willtoflght said...

ticktoc123: JJJJUST PULL OUT NOW. LIKE YOUR LOOSER BUDDIES, NEO,TCOB, AND ALL OF THE OTHER LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS OUT THERE. AS FOR ME GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!!!!!!.

tcob247 said...

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Quit speaking for me jailbird
You have no clue

You lied about the process
You stole peoples money and houses and left them hanging out to dry.

Rot in jail for life
(for the second time)

adios bastardo

PS.

SOP, WTF, ETC

Give up the religious arguements and start your own blog

habakkuk said...

"in those days the saved could heal the sick by laying on their hands on them.

see anyone doing that today???"

What? Are u kidding, it happens all the time. I know of people who were brought back from the dead (and that was here in the US not Africa). My grandmother was healed of cancer by the laying on of hands from one of those pastors you were talkin about. By the way, my dad is a pastor, i'll tell him you said he's not saved. He layed hands on me when i was a kid and i was healed.


"all pastors today do not have the HS becdause all churches today are not biblical.

they are 501c corporations."

I agree that the 501c thing is not biblical....but lets not throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater. As far as i'm concerned the 501c and the rest of it is all part of this worldy system. But just like the children of israel coming out of egypt we can come out of this system. Why do u think i'm on this blogg and going to meetings that have to do with coming out of the system.

I'm curious, do you belong to any type of church?

habakkuk said...

SOP,

Your not one of those guys who has the attitude of "only a few of us will be saved and the rest are bound for hell"..are you? I hope not.

I do believe that my walk with the Father is not necessarily the same as your walk.....but that dont mean i aint saved. How close my walk with the Father is or what level of revelation i have is up to me and how hungry i am and how bad i want it. G-d said "draw close to me and I will draw close to you" or "He rewards those who dillegently seek HIM" (dont know the exact reference).

Our grandparents were taught a lot of things in the church that were nothing but mans traditions but that dont mean they're goin to hell. They might die quicker because of their "lack of knowledge". "MY PEOPLE perish for lack of knowledge". But G-d brings in revelation (or HIS LIGHT) which brings LIFE. LIGHT (REVELATION) and LIFE always flow together in the Bible.

habakkuk said...

The truth of the matter is we are on the brink of the greatest harvest the church has ever seen. G-d is the master Harvester....when HE plants seeds HE always gets the best Harvest. When He makes an investment He always gets the best return. He aint coming for just a few my friend.....that would mean He dont know how to harvest His field....And we both know that aint true.

WillToFight said...

Will To Flight everyone knows I don't write like you. I actually know how to type! I do agree with "Liberty or Death!"
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Will To Flight said ......

ticktoc123: JJJJUST PULL OUT NOW. LIKE YOUR LOOSER BUDDIES, NEO,TCOB, AND ALL OF THE OTHER LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSERS OUT THERE. AS FOR ME GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!!!!!!.

7:26 AM

mogel said...

Neo said: "Don't presume to know my heart."

NEMO, HAVEN'T YOU PRESUMED TO KNOW KURT'S HEART BY SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HIM EVERY CHANCE THAT YOU GET? ISN'T THAT A DOCUMENTED FACT? AS FAR AS FALSE PROMISES, THEY DON'T BECOME FALSE PROMISES UNTIL THEY BECOME IMPOSSIBLE TO PRODUCE.

COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU NEO OF ALL PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS KEPT ALL OF YOUR PROMISES ON TIME YOUR WHOLE LIFE & NEED NO JUDGMENT AGAINST YOURSELF BY OTHERS. SOMEDAY WE ALL HOPE TO BE AS PERFECT AS YOU. SOME OF US ARE MORE OF A WORK IN PROGRESS THOUGH.

mogel said...

As for me, "GIVE ME LIBERTY AND THE GOOD LIFE." Never much cared for the one or the other scenario. I think there exists a third choice.

mogel said...

Nemo: Let us know when you are "free and clear" of your prejudiced mind. :o)

That would be nice to document. It might EVEN be history in the making. There's a first for anything you know.

Peanut Gallery said...

The time of the court date has passed. Was it the 17th or today?

Either way, one can assume there was no positive progress, or we would have heard it now.

habakkuk said...

PG,

Never assume. It was today. And no, i dont know what happened.

Pauligirl said...

Peanut Gallery said...
The time of the court date has passed. Was it the 17th or today?

Either way, one can assume there was no positive progress, or we would have heard it now.
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It was today, but nothing has been filed with PACER yet. K & S had filed a Writ of Mandamus and prohibition a while back, and the following is quoted from the government's Memo of Opposition filed 7/13.

Case 3:05-cr-00611-WHA Document 136-1 Filed 07/13/2006 Page 5 of 5
Here, when attempting to read the mostly incomprehensible Motion to Recuse, it appears that Defendants have focused a large amount of their strategy toward arguments including the appearance of their names in capitlized letters in the indictment - that are not cognizable defenses for either dismissal or release under the law. Quite appropriately, the Court, in its courtroom administration, decided upon an application for relief on the papers submitted, without an evidentiary hearing, particularly where, as here, there is no viable legal right to the relief requested (or legal authority provided in support thereof). While a Court's ruling may be a ground for appeal, it is almost always not an appropriate ground for a recusal motion. Id. at 555 Therefore, Defendants' argument in support of the Hon. William H. Alsup's recusal is without merit.
Finally, according to Ninth Circuit precedent, the fact that a party moving for recusal filed a lawsuit against the trial judge is not a sufficient basis for recusal United States v. Studley, 783 F.2d 934, 940 (9`h Cir. 1986). Here, the Defendants allege that the Hon. William H Alsup is "conflicted" because, among other things, "[Judge Alsup] is soon to be a party to a civil action filed by petitioners." See Motion to Recuse T 10. Given the Ninth Circuit's decision in Studley, Defendants' argument lacks merit. See Studley, 783 F.2d at 940 (stating that `[a] judge is not disqualified by a litigant's suit or threatened suit against him"). CONCLUSION
WHEREFORE, based upon the foregoing, the government requests the Court deny Defendants' "Writ of Mandamus and Prohibition," interpreted as a Motion to Recuse, in all respects
DATED: July 13, 2006 Respectfully submitted

son of a prophet said...

hab said....


they are 501c corporations."

I agree that the 501c thing is not biblical....but lets not throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater. As far as i'm concerned the 501c and the rest of it is all part of this worldy system. But just like the children of israel coming out of egypt we can come out of this system. Why do u think i'm on this blogg and going to meetings that have to do with coming out of the system.

I'm curious, do you belong to any type of church?

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no, i do not because of the reason given.

501c corp chucrch.

sorry, there is no half baked biblical church. it either is or it isnt, and it isnt and they arent.

soory that you dad is a pastor of an unbiblical church.

and you are confusing saved with elect. you dad is elect but not saved yet.

sorry i dont believ the story about laying on hnads and healing, but thats what i belive.

never said taht i was the only one saved either and everyone else is condemned.

habakkuk said...

"no, i do not because of the reason given.

501c corp chucrch."

I KNOW CHURCHES THAT ARE NOT 501C, CANT YOU FIND ONE?


"sorry, there is no half baked biblical church. it either is or it isnt, and it isnt and they arent."

WHATS YOUR DEFFINITION OF HALF-BAKED?


"soory that you dad is a pastor of an unbiblical church."

WELL HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?....HAVE YOU EVER STEPPED FOOT IN OUR CONGREGATION?

"sorry i dont believ the story about laying on hnads and healing, but thats what i belive."

SORRY YOU THINK I'M A LIAR....BUT THATS OK, I KNOW THE LORD WAS THERE TO WITNESS IT:)

down but not out said...

Sounds like K & S are toast

Stillwaiting said...

look, all of the talk right now should have been discussed over the last year or so and long before we ever gave Kurt/Scott the DG and money.
I have repeatedly said, had Kurt or Scott come to me or the person that told me about the DG and said, we believe we have a way to cancel your mortgage but we need some capital (money) to continue the process and in the end we think, should we win, that you will have sizeable windfall and we will have had one of the biggest court cases against the banking industry.
That didn't happen. I was told they could do it and they could do it in 3 to 4 months. That was July of 2004 or 2003, sorry but it has been so long i have forgotten the date. Either way it doesn't matter. They told us a lie from the start. They had never tested nor had they ever beaten the system. They lied. Pure and simple.
I agree with whoever said, stop the biblical talk and start your own blog and keep this blog for facts about the program or lack there of and start taking action.
Kurt to you and Scott I say you have failed even if you win. You have caused pain and greive on top of the pain and suffering already imposed by the banking industry. I for one don't think you can win. Do I think the system is corrupt - yes I do and I have studied the banking industry for a long time in order to make that statement. You both don't have enough backing/support and not enough money, even with the money you took from us under false pretences.
I feel bad for the fog you live in. I feel worse for those like me you duped.
Still Waiting........

papa_dont_preach said...

ticktoc123 said...

If he doesn't - all of us need to pull out of this program & write off our losses.
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Come on ticktoc123, don't give up so easily. Please, just have a little more resolve. You have a remedy regardless of the outcome of this case. That, my friend, is why we all owe so much to Kurt and Scott; for their immeasurable sacrifices. No matter what anyone says, you will be blessed. There is no IF, there’s only WHEN.

papa_dont_preach said...

stillwaiting, please, trying not to focus on the surface, there are many things happening just below the surface that will not be revealed or spoken about. Be strong and muster your patients.

papa_dont_preach said...

"patience"

papa_dont_preach said...

"try" Oh my, must be late.

w said...

papa_dont_preach said...have a remedy regardless of the outcome of this case.

you're going to have to come up with another line for your device, that one is already taken and was used a very very long time ago.

oksurewhynot said...

Sounds like someone's chasing his tail. Same stuff, different day.

mogel said...

Given the Ninth Circuit's decision in Studley, Defendants' argument lacks merit. See Studley, 783 F.2d at 940 (stating that `[a] judge is not disqualified by a litigant's suit or threatened suit against him").
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I FIND THIS THE 9TH CIRCUIT DECISION CASE UTTERLY AMAZING. EVEN AN UNREASONABLE PERSON CAN SEE THE APPARENT CONFLICT THERE. BUT WHO CARES ABOUT REASON? HOWEVER, ONCE A CASE BECOMES A PRECEDENCE, I GUESS YOU CAN USE IT AS JUSTIFICATION FOR WHATEVER DIABOLICAL PURPOSE YOU WANT AS A JUDGE.

I HOPE JUDGE ALSUP GETS THE PANTS SUED OFF OF HIM IN A CIVIL CASE, AND I HOPE THE CLAIM EXCEEDS 80 BILLION, SO ALL OF HIS NAKEDNESS IS EXPOSED PUBLICLY. HE DESERVES WHATEVER HE GETS IN THE END. HE DESERVES NO MERCY LIKE ALL OF THOSE THAT WILL BE BURNED AT THE LORD'S 2ND COMING.

WHOOPS I OFFENDED ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE OFFENDED BY BRINGING UP ANY OVERTONE OF GOD OR SCRIPTURES OR PROPHESEY. ppLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. PLEASE ASK ME IF I CARE??????? I REALLY WANT TO RESPOND.
ALL YOU QUITTERS AND LOSERS, JUST LEAVE, YOU'RE ALL PATHETIC, AND YOUR HEARTS ARE EMPTY, AND YOUR HOPE IS GONE. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER, SO WHAT GOOD ARE YOU? ALL YOU LOSERS THAT HAVE ZERO FAITH, ARE A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES AND WHIMPS, YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF ME OR MY WORDS. TO ANY LOSER OUT THERE: GO AHEAD, SAY SOME SMART ASS REMARK, ANYONE????

YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL A LOSER FROM A WINNER BECAUSE A LOSER WILL NEVER TAKE PERSONAL RESP0NSIBILITY FOR THERE PERCEIVED LOSSES. IT'S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.

oksurewhynot said...

Kurt sezs:
I didn't mind doing the time (5yrs. 8mon.) for a crime I didn't commit but I did mind the hypocrisy of the mortgage industry doing everyday what the government convicted me of and there being no interest. I decided that a company that took the matter to the people and forced the issue might just make the interest appear and that it has.

Translation: I spent 5 yrs, 8mo (but who's counting becuz I didn't mind) figuring out my next business opportunity. But I needed help and Dad was out of steam so I found someone else who was down on his luck. Then we took the matter to other people down on their luck.

mogel said...

SOP: So you don't accept or believe in miracles when a miracle is discussed with you in all sincerity as a true event and presented to you as a SACRED and personal fact by an eye witness that was there? I suppose you need the Holy Ghost to give you his seal of approval on this miraculous event before you will even consider it's factual basis? Maybe a signed affidavit filed in Court might sway your unbelieving mind? REMIND ME NOT TO TELL YOU ANY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I MAY HAVE HAD.

I could have gone a long time without wanting to know that fact about you that you don't believe in miracles. Your faith is no more special than most people. It's one of those things one would just prefer not to hear or accept because it's much easier to think the BEST about people in light of any doubts.

For someone that pretends to understand the Bible and then to say that Baptism is not necessary in the same breath, I find to be quite telling.

My goodness, why do you bother to discuss scripture if you pick & choose what you will accept? "EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, HE CANNOT INHERITED THE KINGDOM OF GOD".

THERE'S NO ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION HERE. EVEN JESUS WAS BAPTIZED TO SET THE EXAMPLE. BUT YOU'RE SAVED,AND HAVE NO WORRIES, SO WHAT'S MY POINT ANYWAY?

mogel said...

OKSureWhy Not said: "But I needed help and Dad was out of steam so I found someone else who was down on his luck."
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HOW DO YOU SPELL LOSER?

V-I-C-T-I-M

Don't you remember hearing the requirement that all clients had to be current on their mortgage payments to enter the process? You didn't lie about that did you when you entered the process? Did someone like your Broker or Agent, know that you were specifically "DOWN ON YOUR LUCK" AT THE TIME YOU ENTERED THE PROCESS? Did you divulge that in writing or verbally to someone? Tell me, how was this noticed and identified that you were one of these special people, down on their luck at the time you entered the process? Can you define this for us?

son of a prophet said...

mogel said....


could have gone a long time without wanting to know that fact about you that you don't believe in miracles. Your faith is no more special than most people. It's one of those things one would just prefer not to hear or accept because it's much easier to think the BEST about people in light of any doubts.


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mog, you got to use your lawyer instincts to interpret EXACTLY what i say.

i never said that i dont believe in miracles; just that i dont believe in the laying on the hands to cure the sick.

the bible says to lay on hands, just tht i dont believe that today there is anyone with that HS power to do it; same for baptisms; they are biblical certainly, but those that performed it then had HS power upon them.

and i am sorry to hab, but there are no biblical churches today, unless you consider a church the one that i belong to; the church at philadelphia in the book of revelation; ie., the church of all true believers.

if you want to say that 'house churches' are biblical, i will agree to that where witnesses ju;st get together in someones house and none amongst them is called the pastor, but teacher and all stand equal before god and let te HS be their spiritual authority.
yes that is a biblical church.

WillToFight said...

I would rather "Know" a thing than to rely on a "Belief" of a thing!

Don't you "know" that water freezes at 32 deg F?

Let us begin to speak about what we "know" which is superior to what we "believe!"

mogel said...

SOP said: "the bible says to lay on hands, just tht i dont believe that today there is anyone with that HS power to do it; same for baptisms; they are biblical certainly, but those that performed it then had HS power upon them."

KIND OF SAD THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD'S POWER IS LIMITED IN THESE DAYS COMPARED TO DAYS OF OLD. READ MORONI 7: 24-39.

mogel said...

SOP: You don't understand the history of the Mormon Church if you say that authority doesn't or can't exist today to perform the miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit. The claims of the LDS Church are unique.

As far as the healings spoken of before, people's great faith in Christ can heal alone.

Joseph Smith claims that John the Baptist appeared to him & conferred the priesthood of Aaron to him & that Peter James & John, appeared to him & conferred upon him the Melchizedek or Higher Priesthood too which is the authority and power you speak of which you say doesn't exist which authority is all of the spiritual and Holy Spirit gifts you speak of that Calvin & other Church reformers sought to find on the earth.

I understand the doctrine of the apostacy or the falling away of the truth & authority from the earth as prophesied in the Bible happened, but there has been a restitution or restoration of all things through direct revelation & all power & authority back to the earth as anciently prophesied:

Read Joseph Smith 2: 67-74

Doctrine & Covenants Section 13, Section 107, & Section 84.

The Mormon church is NOT CONTROLLED
by the Pope or Catholic Church or Mother Whore of the Whole Earth. The Mormon Church is built upon direct revelation, which is God's direct will from Heaven and does not constitute a man made doctrine. It's the farthest thing from a cult there is.

calima said...

how can i get dr. Fred Johnsons email so I can receive instructions to get my property out of the trust?