Tuesday, September 12, 2006

The Seven Sons of Suffering

Jerusalem was under siege by the Greek Antiochus. A priest aged, a mother and her seven sons came to his attention. He thought to convert them and make them blessed servants of his court. None would accept the comforts of this world over the honor of serving God. Before he made the offer Antiochus brought out all the tools of torture to persuade them. There were racks, hooks, shredders, flames, frying pans and others. The priest died a gruesome death and Antiochus started with the eldest son. Eyes were burned out, hand and feet cut off, dislocation, gore in the highest degree. 7, 6, 5, 4 and so on to the youngest which was just a boy. Now anyone can imagine the justifications available to these sons. “Would God hold a charge against us under these compelling circumstance? Is it not better for us to compromise now and look for opportunity later? Perhaps we can use the honor of the court to benefit God.” All chose horrible deaths including the youngest who jumped into the frying pan willingly. The mother did not bereave these sons even at her witness to the horror. She herself joined them. When Antiochus saw their resolve and sacrifice he changed his mind about converts and went to war with Persia. Now these seven had no idea their deaths would save the city but they sacrificed for God’s honor and received honor from Him. What of your suffering? Do you know what God is doing or how he might use you? Do your justifications really make spiritual sense? Can you see the fools whining on this blog and how they possess no wisdom or forethought? Read this story in 2 and 4 Maccabees and find hope.

33 comments:

imbigo said...

GODS SPEED MY BROTHERS SEE YOU VERY SOON !!!!!!!!!!!

MUCH LOVE....

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son of a prophet said...

yes, antiochus of epiphanes...

was soooooo bad that some thought (and some still think today) was to be (at that point in time) the anti-christ



today we know that the ac has not come on the scene yet....but many believe IS alive awating the right moment to appear.

i myself believe that the ac is alive and waiting for certain events to appear. the rapture being one of the events, when no christians will stand in his way to the seat....pity those who will be left here.....they will give worship to the beast...and take the bar code stamp of the beast....the 666 on their right hand....the bar code is already based on the 666 number.....and the EU house of reps for all of europe has about a 1000 seats and seat number 666 has been kept empty...coincedance???

i think not....

son of a prophet said...

anyone for 11's ???



Subtitle: The Bible states that Antichrist will be the 11th Horn to appear on the world scene [Daniel 7:7-8] and the Illuminati recognizes "11" as one of the major numbers of their Antichrist. When we review the way in which the attacks of 9/11 occurred by the "11's" and review the significance of "11" in history, you will see the hand of God forcing the hand of the Illuminati to fulfill Biblical prophecies!


Within a few hours of the infamous attacks of 9/11, 2001, Cutting Edge began to see the hideous occult hand of the Illuminati, their 'signature' so to speak. We issued a series of articles detailing this use of the number "11", proving that the Illuminati was the planning, active agent behind these attacks. Once you understand how this tragedy is undergirded by elevens, you will understand that the Illuminati has carefully placed its fingerprints all over this event. Why would they do this? They would want to hide the truth from the masses, while communicating it to the elite occultists all over the world.


We need to quickly review the reason that this number is so special to the Illuminati. Let us briefly study the foundational, underlying use of this special number. To properly understand, you need to understand that the occultist literally fulfills Paul's explanation of a pagan, of a satanist, in Romans 1:25, "... they exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator ..."

Thus, many of the idols of the past pagan societies have been formed in the likeness of fish, birds, animals, the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. However, occultists also worship science and the mathematics underlying science. They literally believe that numbers possess inherent power, all their own.

Listen to the explanation of one of history's greatest Satanists, W. Wynn Wescott, who was extremely influential in the latter part of the 19th Century. "The followers of Pythagoras ... referred every object, planet, man, idea, and essence to some number or other, in a way which to most moderns must seem curious and mystical in the highest degree. 'The numerals of Pythagoras', says Porphyry, who lived about 300 A.D., 'were hieroglyphic symbols, by means whereof he explained all ideas concerning the nature of things', and the same [numeric] method of explaining the secrets of nature is once again being insisted upon in the new revelation of the 'Secret Doctrine', by H.P. Blavatsky. 'Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony -- in its broad sense, spiritually as well as physically considered, to the evolution of the present human race; all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numerals. The sacredness of numbers begins with the Great First Cause, the One, and ends only with the nought or zero -- symbol of the infinite and boundless universe'." ["The Occult Power of Numbers", W. Wynn Westcott, p. 15.]

To reiterate: "... 'Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony ... spiritually as well as physically ... to the evolution of the present human race; all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numerals. The sacredness of numbers ..."

Further, the number 11 is important because:

"The number 11 is the Aquarian number since Aquarius is the 11th sign of the zodiac." [Pastor David Meyers, Last Trumpet Ministries; July, 2001]


The Satanist always places great power in numbers, especially the Black Magic Satanist. As we have stated in earlier articles, Daniel 8:23-25 tells us that the religion practiced by Antichrist is Black Magick; further, Revelation 17:17 tells us that the final 10 kings are of the same mindset and religion as Antichrist. Thus, we were not surprised that both Presidents Bush are Black Magic practitioners from the Skull & Bones Society, and that Bill and Hillary Clinton were practicing Black Magic Satanists [See our Section, Understanding Clinton, http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/scandals.cfm]

Satanists believe that a carefully planned event must be carried out according to the correct numbers, or it may not be successful. They go to great lengths to make an event occur according to the correct numbers. As Wescott explains, "... so 11 is the essence of all that is sinful, harmful, and imperfect." [Ibid., p. 100] Thus, while 11 is very important, multiplication's are also important, such as 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, and 99.

Now, let us review the tremendous instances where the 9/11 attacks occurred by the Power of "11".


9/11 ATTACKS -- AN EXERCISE USING THE NUMBER "11"

1. The first 11 is formed by the day on which this tragedy occurred, September 11.

2. The second 11 is formed by adding the 9th month, September, and the date, [1 plus 1], forming another 11.

3. The third 11 is formed by the airplane number that first crashed into the World Trade Tower. That plane was American Airlines Flight #11.

4. The fourth 11 is formed by the airplane number that crashed into the Pentagon. That plane was United Airlines Flight #77 [11 x 7].

5. The fifth 11 is formed by the North Twin Tower of the World Trade Center was 110 stories tall [11 x 10]

6. The sixth 11 is formed by South Twin Tower, the World Trade Center was 110 stories tall [11 x 10]

[NOTE: Girders of these towers were set 22" apart! -- 11x2; http://www.skyscraper.org/tallest/t_wtc.htm]

[Construction began in 1966. Not only is this the year in which the Church of Satan was founded, when you add the digits together, they equal another "22" -- 1+9+6+6 = 22; Ibid.]

[The first elevator "skyshaft" was set at the 44th floor -- 11x4 -- Ibid.]

[The towers were 1,368 and 1,362 feet respectively. "1,368" when added, equals "18", or a "6+6+6". "1,362" added equals "12", a "6+6", another "11x6"; Ibid.]

7. 7. The Architecture of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center -- the Twin Towers formed an 11 as they stood before the attack


8. The eighth '11' is formed by one of the doomed flights, where the crew totaled '11'.
9. The ninth '11' is formed by the fact that September 11 is the 254th day of the year. When you add 2 + 5 + 4 you get '11'

10. The tenth '11' is formed because, after September 11, there are 111 days left in the year.

11. The eleventh '11' is formed by the historic fact that New York State was the 11th state to join the Union in preparation to create the 13-state confederation that would declare independence from England.

12. "11 Years To The Day" -- On September 11, 1990, President George Bush (Sr.) delivered a speech to the Congress entitled, "Moving Toward A New World Order". Precisely 11 years to the day after President Bush delivered this speech praising the New World Order, and declaring it to be an inevitable fact, a mighty blow was struck to move the world finally into this global world system. Another of President Bush's infamous quotes also came from this Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, when he said in August, 1990, that "this invasion shall not stand, because it threatens the New World Order." Once the Senior Bush introduced this term to the general public, everyone started using it. Dan Quayle appeared on a great many television programs, explaining this term and telling everyone what a wonderful concept it was. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Gorbachev suddenly began using this term, a formerly very hidden term reserved only for the readers of select occult material.

13. When President Bush visited New York City on September 16, he was pictured with a firefighter who was wearing a helmet with the numbers, '164', which when added together, form an '11'.

14. Flight 11 - 92 on board - 9 + 2 = 11

15. Flight 77 - 65 on board - 6 + 5 = 11

16. During the crisis on Tuesday, kids in the area of the Twin Towers were moved to a "safe school" on 11th Street

17. The only operating ferry was Number 11, on 33rd Street.

18. President Bush ordered U.S. flags to be flown at half-staff under September 22 [11 x 2]. This date means that the flags will fly at half-staff for 11 days after the attacks.

STARTLING REVIEW OF USE OF "11" IN HISTORY

Common Themes: War, Violence, Struggle

1. When the Illuminati ended the First World War, they had just successfully completed the first war of Albert Pike's occult plan to produce Antichrist [Read NEWS1056]. Thus, they deliberately ended it on the 11th Month [November], the 11th Day, at the 11th hour. The signing of the Armistice agreement was thus undergirded by three elevens!


2. When the Illuminati assassinated President Kennedy, he was killed according to the occult number signature of eleven [11]. He was killed in the 11th month, on the 22nd day, and on the 33rd parallel. He was also killed in the Masonic Dealey Plaza, the most powerful secret society in the world today to whom the number 11 is extremely important.

3. September 11, 1609 -- The explorer Henry Hudson sailed into New York harbor and discovered Manhattan Island and the Hudson River, the very location on which the Twin Towers were constructed! [http://www.september11news.com/Sept11History.htm]

4. September 11, 1941 -- Construction officially began at the Pentagon. [Ibid.] Thus, 60 years later to the day, the Pentagon is attacked. The number "6" is an important number to the occultist. The number of man is "6"; the number of man's "perfect" government is "66" and the number of the perfect leader of all time is "666".

5. September 11, 1972 -- The world was introduced to terrorism at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games. . There were 121 participating countries (11X11=121), and 11 Israeli athletes were killed. Exactly 29 years (2+9=11) after this terrorist horror ended, another more despicable horror occurred - the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

6. September 11, 1772 -- About 300 Indians and 50 British soldiers began the siege of Fort Henry. Researchers and historians of this siege are puzzled by the meaning of a comment in a document describing these events. It was recorded in a letter written by Lydia Cruger (11 letters), and it seems a fitting comment to this section. She wrote, "The siege commenced about sun an hour high, Monday, 11th, at all events, the 11th." [Ibid.]

7. September 11, 1776 -- A failed peace conference with the British was held. The war that had begun on April 19, 1776 [the first day of the 13-day Satanic celebration, "The Bloody Sacrifice of the Beast"] continued. [Ibid.] After the fall of New York to the British, a Peace
Conference was held between General Howe and three prominent representatives of the Continental Congress - Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and Edward Rutledge. After taking the Americans key city, Howe thought he was entitled to a peace settlement. The Americans, having declared independence in July, considered separation from England as non-negotiable. The conference of Sept. 11, 1776, ended and the war continued for seven years.


8. September 11, 1777 -- The first day the American flag was used in battle at the Battle of Brandywine. [Ibid.] The British defeated the Americans, led by George Washington, but Old Glory flew for the first time!

9. September 11, 1922 -- Despite Arab protests, a British mandate is proclaimed in Palestine on September 11, 1922. The mandate came into effect at the end of September 1922. [Ibid.] Not only was this proclamation made on a September 11, but the year formed a twice "11" -- (11x2)

10. September 11, 1941 -- The US 1st Army crosses the border into German territory. Also, the Quebec Conference was held between England's Prime Minister, Winston Churchill. [Ibid.]

11. September 11, 1973 -- Chilean President Salvador Allende is killed in a brutal, violent military coup led by General Augusto Pinochet. [Ibid.] Henry Kissinger was strongly implicated in this attack, and if he were to ever stand trial in an International Court, he would be charged with masterminding this coup and ordering the assassination of Allende. [" The Latest Kissinger Outrage: Why is a proven liar and wanted man in charge of the 9/11 investigation?", by Christopher Hitchens, November 27, 2002]



SPIRITUAL EVENTS ON SEPTEMBER 11 IN HISTORY

+ September 11, 3 B.C -- Historian Dr. Ernest L. Martin first article on the subject appeared in 1976, and in 1981 he published his research in "The Birth of Christ Recalculated". In 1991, the book was re-released as "The Star that Astonished the World." Dr. Martin revealed in his book, that the signs in the sky on the night of Jesus' birth occurred on only one day in 3 B.C., and they occurred exactly on September 11, 3 B.C. between 6:15 pm and 7:49 pm EST. [Ibid.]

+ September 11, 4000 B.C. -- According to Hebrew scriptures September 11, 1999 was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation, and
year 1 on the Hebrew calendar. [Ibid.]

Don't you find these two events on a September 11 to be absolutely staggering? When you realize it seems probable that God used September 11 twice in history to dramatically intervene in world affairs, you have to wonder if the Illuminati is also trying to strike at God through using September 11 and the number "11" so many times in world history. We have already noted that the Bible assigns "11" to Antichrist in Daniel 7:7-8, which means the Illuminati was forced by God's Omnipotent power to assign the same number to Antichrist; however, it seems Satan would be eager to assign such a number if he thought he was striking a blow at God and His system by using this number and this date so many times.

POSSIBLE FINAL STARTLING USE OF SEPTEMBER 11



Of all the symbols of the Illuminati, none so boldly, clearly, and proudly shouts the final goal of the New World Order -- the successful staging of Antichrist -- as does the unfinished pyramid symbol on the back of the American One Dollar Bill. Let us quickly review the meaning behind this unfinished pyramid on our One Dollar Bill, taken from Seminar 2, "America's Leadership of the New World Order". Once you understand the meaning behind the symbol on our money, you can better understand the significance of current events.

* The Pyramid represents the past. Note that the capstone of this pyramid is not in place, thus denoting an unfinished situation. This unfinished situation was planned to remain in effect until the Old World Order was destroyed and replaced with The New World Order.

* Annuit Coeptis - "Announcing The Birth"

* Novus Ordor Seclorum - "New World Order"

* Capstone - Eye of Horus [Theocracy of Egyptian Mysticism] = Eye of Satan or Lucifer

* MDCCLXXVI on the bottom layer of stones = 1776 [May 1, Beltaine, Second High-Holy Day of the Year] On May 1, 1776, a New World Order was born when the Masters of the Illuminati was founded, whose foundation would be built upon depravity and rebellion. Its leader would be Satan.

* Thirteen Layers to the Pyramid = The number, '13' is the occult number of Depravity and Rebellion.

With these facts in mind, let me tell you what we know of the history of this symbol. Even though it was officially voted into creation by a meeting of Freemason Continental Congressmen in 1782, the symbol was hidden from public view for fear the American people would recognize it as being the Satanic symbol it truly was.

However, in 1935, the Guiding Spirit of President Roosevelt and Agriculture Secretary Wallace told them the time had arrived to put this symbol on the back of the One Dollar Silver Certificate, for the people had moved far, far away from their Christian roots and awareness of both the Bible and the "wiles" and "strategies" of Satan.

President Roosevelt approved the Great Seals -- both the unfinished pyramid and the Eagle -- to be printed on the back of the One Dollar Bill in 1935. The gap between 1935 and 2001 is 66 years, the number of the perfect government of Antichrist.

We have discovered from the U.S. Department of State website that the plates of the Great Seals was received at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing on June 26, 1935 [http://www.state.gov/www/publications/great_seal.pdf]

We have not been able to discover the exact first printing date; however, June 26 is only 2 1/2 months before September 11, 1935. This seems like a reasonable period for the Bureau of Engraving to prepare the plates to get them ready for the first printing.

IF the first run of the Silver Certificates with the unfinished pyramid proclaiming the New World Order occurred on September 11, 1935, the gap between this first run and the mighty blow struck to achieve the New World Order would be 66 years to the day! If any of you have access to any resource that might reveal the exact first run date, please contact us immediately.

CONCLUSION

We have revealed so many usages of the number "11" and of "September 11" in past history that the chances of all these occurrences being accidental is absolutely zero! The Illuminati absolutely adores the number, "11" and is committed to September 11 as a date on which they have staged important dates in the past, dates critical to the global system of the coming Antichrist.

The staged events on September 11 during the American Revolution offers us yet another glimpse into the historic reality that, amidst the strong Christian current of the day, Satan had his men and his values and his symbols in place; the seeds of our final destruction were sown as tares amidst the wheat of the American Republic from 1776 onward. Today, the tares have taken over the fields, choking out the true, fundamental Christian wheat.

Today, Skull & Bones President George W. Bush is carefully and consistently fulfilling all the Illuminati plans for America conceived as far back as May 1, 1776, when the Masters of the Illuminati was formed. Today, the planned World War III designed to produce Antichrist seems to be forming on the horizon.

Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones? This is the reason for this ministry, to enable you to first understand the peril facing you, and then help you develop strategies to warn and protect your loved ones. Once you have been thoroughly trained, you can also use your knowledge as a means to open the door of discussion with an unsaved person. I have been able to use it many times, and have seen people come to Jesus Christ as a result. These perilous times are also a time when we can reach many souls for Jesus Christ, making an eternal difference.

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.

If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home. Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually.

whatdoyoumean said...

Neo said...

whatdoyoumean said...

"The lack of response is an agreement. Companies do it all the time."

What companies, please? In detail.

Not going to go into detail. Here's some broad examples. Credit card companies changing terms and conditions of your account. USually say "if you agree, then do nothing and these terms will automatically take place". Debt collectors, here's a bill for a million dollars, if you don't say anything within 30 days we will take you to court and get a judgement by showing the judge we sent you this letter and you didn't respond.

Someone who's went through financial problems should know this stuff Neo.... Or maybe you should call your bancruptcy attorney and ask them about the responses they made to eliminate your debts. Guarantee you they were the same type of agreements. Actually I haven't been through a bancruptcy, but I have lost money by having a debt owed to me put in bancruptcy. If you don't show up to the proceeding, you can't make a claim that the debt is valid. You should know this stuff, fill us in....

You pay a fee, a person prepares documents for you and sends them to people you owe money to, they have very specific ways they must respond, and if they don't you no longer owe them money... Doesn't that sum it up??? Details please Neo....

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son of a prophet said...

IS THE SOTCK MARKET TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHING??????



TAKE A WILD GUESS AS TO WHAT YETERDAYS CLOSE FOR THE S&P 500 INDEX:


------------ 1313.11 -------------


IT JUST DONT GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT IF ONE IS EVIL.

BTW-WHAT YOU THINK THE ODDS OF IT CLOSING ON THOSE NUMBERS ON ITS OWN???

SURELY THE PTB IS NOT ABLE TO MANIPULATE EVEN THE CLOSING NUMBERS ON WALL ST, ARE THEY?? LOL!

BAD NEWS IS COMING, YOU CAN BET ON IT.

son of a prophet said...

maybe should play the lotto.

surely they can rig the lotto, cant they??

i mean the stock market is childs play to rig. lets see if they can go big time and rig the lotto.

yes, i will go to the convenice store and play 131311....

Goingforward said...

As I read the blog from Kurt, I grow in strength from your writings. Both you and Scott have not lost the one true thing that we have in life to hold onto, our God and his word. You are not quitters and more relentless than our Government. I too have my own severe problems and only wish that I had Kurt as my attorney. Gentlemen, keep up the good work and walk proud in your faith.

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"Both you and Scott have not lost the one true thing that we have in life to hold onto, our God and his word."

The question is: would God have wanted the same fate for Scott and Kurt as Scott and Kurt wanted for themselves? Why didn't Scott and Kurt turn to God and ask Him whether Dorean program was what He wanted for them to do? If the answer was go ahead, then they are, where God wants them to be, and there is no need to hold onto anything.

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IThe fact is if Scott and Kurt thought as much about God back then as they now they would not be where they are. If God is constantly on your mind what time is there to think about anything else? The fact is, they were not thinking about God, and now they are using Him as a crutch-- as their last resort..

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Why do people want God so much when are locked up and not so much around when they not locked up? Don't you think God knows when he is being used? God knows all. Don't think for a minute you can hide anything from Him.

habakkuk said...

SO....why did jonah cry to G-d only when he was in the belly of the wale?? Didn't G-d respond by making the Wale spit him out. Hell has to spit you out when you start to praise and acknowledge HIM. So i dont judge anybody who is humbled while in jail....and G-d doesnt despise that person either. He gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.

Go read your bible and you'll find G-d's ways are not yours or mine.

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"Didn't G-d respond by making the Wale spit him out."

How do you know it was God that made the whale spit him out, and not the whale that spit him out? Most likely it was not God that spit jonah out of the whale-- it was whale that spit jonah's out of the whale-- God did not cause the Whale to do anything.

habakkuk said...

"How do you know it was God that made the whale spit him out, and not the whale that spit him out? "

How do i know?? Simple, i read it:

Jonah2:10 Then the LORD COMMANDED the fish, and it vomited Jonah up onto the dry land.

habakkuk said...

"Most likely it was not God that spit jonah out of the whale"

Nah...Most likely it was.

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"Go read your bible and you'll find G-d's ways are not yours or mine."

You should take your own advice, Habak.


How did Jona end up in the belly of the whale? If he wasn't thinking of God prior to.. then he deserved to be digested by the whale.

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"Nah...Most likely it was."

Most likely it wasn't. If you want to make sure it was Him.. then always think of him, otherwise you will never know.

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"How did Jona end up in the belly of the whale? If he wasn't thinking of God prior to.. then he deserved to be digested by the whale. "

He ended up in the belly of the wale because of his disobedience, he got out of the wale because he humbled himself. Thats the gospel in a nutshell...The wale in a sense represents HELL. We all deserve to be jewed up and spit out by the wale (HELL) but G-d saves us by his GRACE when we humble ourselves and accept His son Yeshua.

habakkuk said...

"Most likely it wasn't. If you want to make sure it was Him.. then always think of him, otherwise you will never know. "

Sorry, I dont know what that means.

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"He ended up in the belly of the wale because of his disobedience, he got out of the wale because he humbled himself."

Who did he disobey?

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G-d

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He ended up in the belly of the wale because of his disobedience, he got out of the wale because he humbled himself.

No. God does not punish anyone or save anyone for this reason or for that reason. That would make him a judgmental God. Jona ended up in the belly of the whale because of his own thoughts... God did not put him there for any reason. Jona put himself there and he got himself out-- no God intervened.

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"Most likely it wasn't. If you want to make sure it was Him.. then always think of him, otherwise you will never know. "

Sorry, I dont know what that means.



It means that if your thoughts are always on God, then how could you end up in the belly of a whale or in a grey bar hotel?

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"It means that if your thoughts are always on God, then how could you end up in the belly of a whale or in a grey bar hotel? "

I got news for ya, you can end up there if you've been good or if you've been bad. Why do you think Daniel ended up in the lions den?? Not because he was disobedient thats for sure....But he did disobey the earthly authorities because it went against G-d's law.

Bad things happen to good people...i'm sure you can come up with your own examples.

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"How did Jona end up in the belly of the whale? If he wasn't thinking of God prior to.. then he deserved to be digested by the whale."
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Wouldn't that make God a judgmental God if he caused Jonah's imprisonment so to speak in the belly of a whale? Doesn't he say that he is the JUDGE OF THE QUICK AND THE DEAD? What does a Judge do if he doesn't Judge and hence is judgmental by way of definition?

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"No. God does not punish anyone or save anyone for this reason or for that reason. That would make him a judgmental God. Jona ended up in the belly of the whale because of his own thoughts... God did not put him there for any reason. Jona put himself there and he got himself out-- no God intervened."

I agree with some of that statement, but G-d does judge...the Bible even calls him "the Righteous Judge" and "Just"..You gotta read the story:

Jonah1:4 The LORD hurled a great wind on the sea and there was a great storm on the sea so that the ship was about to break up. (after Jonah disobeyed)

verse17 And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

But the main point to remember is that HE is most of all a G-d of GRACE.

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Bad things happen to good people...i'm sure you can come up with your own examples.

God doesn't make the distinction between good and bad people. Good and bad are judgments.

Christ was a Godly man having direct connection with Him. Each and everybody is direct with Him. Other than God, there is nothing on earth!

Be of good cheer. The Kingdom of
Heaven is within you. Resurrection (overcoming death) and eucharist (Communion) are your birthright. Nobody can dole it out to you. The Son of Man is verily working around the clock within you to that end.

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Ok..whatever man.

son of a prophet said...

"Bad things happen to good people...i'm sure you can come up with your own examples."




ROMANS 8:28

"...for we know that ALL THINGS, must work together for our good, for our salvation, to those that love HIM, and are called according to HIS purpose..."


HOW MANY THINGS/EVENTS THAT HAPPEN TO US WORK TOGEHTER FOR OUR GOOD??

some things? a few things??

many things???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


ALL TOGETHER NOW......



------- A-L-L T-H-I-N-G-S ----


"ALL THINGS MUST WORK TOGETHER FOR OUR GOOD...."

son of a prophet said...

so now....



WHAT IS GODs PURPOSE FOR YOU???

HAVE YOU DETERMINED THIS YET?

IF NOT, BETTER GET BUSY AND FIGURE IT OUT SOON, AS TIME GROWS SHORT.

"...LOOK UP, YOUR SALVATION GROWETH NIGH.."

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