Friday, November 03, 2006

Transition (10/22/06)

I remember when I was about 27 that I came face to face with a world that had ideas of what kind of man I should become. At that time I had to choose an individual path or lose my manhood to some collective amalgamation of society. There were some standards bred in me by Christ which did not tolerate compromise. The side effect was conflict but inner peace. I’ve learned since then that many if not most men never choose this personal integrity path. 30’s – 70’s men still behave like the self-center teenagers they were supposed to leave behind. They are more sophisticated but of the same spirit. This one man’s stand worked for a season but appears now to be inadequate. As I arrive at an age that naturally leads to accomplishment and responsibility I find these teenagers have entered positions of power. They are not content being self reprobates but want to take the misuse of power to impose their depravation upon others. Standing even to the point of surviving their onslaught has now become a selfish act. Once what was liberty would now enslave me. I must push back, expose these little tyrant brats for what they are. Not for my sake alone but for the few brave looking for some breach in this social morass of despotic morality. There are unjustified pedal stools that need to be dislodged from feet that march to evil. How about you? Have you become malcontent with being slimed? Start thinking about a counter assault verses a stoic resistance. That is what Dorean is about. Take from the takers.

91 comments:

Scott from Vineland said...

When a man becomes utterly convinced of his own rightousness, he needs to take a spiritual inventory. Pride often goeth before a fall and if/when Kurt falls, many others will be sucked down in the vortex.

tcob247 said...

Clap clap clap

"standing ovation"

You are soooooooooooooo self-righteous King Kurt

We bow at your feet

We are but scum compared to you

"There were some standards bred in me by Christ which did not tolerate compromise"

Was that before or after your first conviction and jail term for fraud?

Does anybody know or have any info on Kurt's first time around in the klink.
Was he just misunderstood and wrongly convicted then too?

Is there a pattern developing?

AngelOfMercy said...

God uses people in many different ways. Kurt was the first person I visited in a state prison. I had been doing weekly Bible studies in the jails in Santa Clara County for some years. After Kurt got transferred to Solano State prison God put it in my heart to go and visit him. Through this action many people are now visiting inmates at Solano State Prison. The sadness of it all is that Kurt has not changed. He truly felt he was misunderstood and wrongly convicted then just as he will be wrongly convicted now in his eyes. I pray that through all of this and the years that he will be serving in state prison again, that God touches his heart and he does not turn away. Let's not use Bible stories to justify what we do now, let's use the Bible stories to come closer to God and do what is wright in the eys of our Lord Jesus Christ!

son of a prophet said...

"....and wrongly convicted then >>>just as he will be<<<< wrongly convicted now in his eyes."







funny how so many people get in line to critcize mr. johnson and the immediately break any one (many) christian tenets.


"...judge NOT, lest YE be JUDGED..."

habakkuk said...

Oh Give me a break:)

habakkuk said...

"He truly felt he was misunderstood and wrongly convicted then just as he will be wrongly convicted now in his eyes."

Excuse me, Angelic person(if thats really who you are), he hasnt been CONVICTED of anything yet, he's still in the ACCUSED status...remember.

I tell you what, if i ever find myself in a California jail somewhere, dont bother coming to see me if you are practicing mis-appropriation of the scriptures and a lack of knowledge that we are innocent unil proven guilty.

tcob247 said...

"funny how so many people get in line to critcize mr. johnson and the immediately break any one (many) christian tenets."


"...judge NOT, lest YE be JUDGED..."

FUNNY.........
Isn't that what Mr Johnson does all the time?????????????

LOLOLOLOL

Thanks for confirming it "Angel" that Kurt hasn't changed one bit

Not too suprising is it?

Oh....I know....... He will be ridiculed just like anybody else on this blog who dares question their Savior

light1rae said...

Well said Kurt as alway STAY THE COURSE! Thanks Habakuk I could not of said it better! Such fools that have never stood before a judge and seen first hand how evil these men are. I know the TRUTH and it has set me FREE!

R&P :)

habakkuk said...

"Thanks for confirming it "Angel" that Kurt hasn't changed one bit"

And we're supposed to believe this angelic being is ligit...right?

Alllllrighteeeethen:)

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab-
I am pretty certain angelofmercy was referring to Kurt's PRIOR securities fraud conviction. (Correct me if I am wrong, angel.) So yes, Kurt HAS been convicted. I think you just misunderstood the time frame.

Funny how all of you with your Judeo-Christian usernames are so quick to dismiss angelofmercy as a fraud or a plant. You should practice what you preach, SOP. Angel's post certainly rings as true and sincere as anything else I've read here. The biggest error I saw was that Kurt's next potential term will be in federal prison, not state.

habakkuk said...

"I am pretty certain angelofmercy was referring to Kurt's PRIOR securities fraud conviction. (Correct me if I am wrong, angel.) So yes, Kurt HAS been convicted. I think you just misunderstood the time frame."

The funny thing about this is that with the knowldedge we now know....he never did anything wrong (lawfully).....But under their bogus system of commerce and contracts he's a "convicted felon".

But maybe you have no idea what i'm talking about.

tcob247 said...

he never does anything wrong hab
neither do all the other prisoners
they are all wrongly convicted

How much do you know about Kurt's prior conviction?

Pauligirl said...

from the Bee...June 4, 2005
Johnson, still the subject of a police search, was sentenced to five years and eight months in prison after being convicted in 1992 of fraud in connection with an investment scam based in Campbell. His father, Hollis Frederick Johnson, was sentenced to seven years, eight months.
In court papers, state investigators said the Johnsons' company, Genesis International Ltd., owed investors millions of dollars when the business was shut down. Investors thought the money would be plowed into businesses throughout Europe. While some investors got their money back, investigators said the money was spent on items like a $227,000 yacht. Another $125,000 was transferred to a bank account in Belize.
In the February interview, Johnson spoke of the righteousness of his new venture and said, "The bankers are doing exactly the same thing I went to prison for."

habakkuk said...

"he never does anything wrong hab
neither do all the other prisoners
they are all wrongly convicted"

If they broke common law they should be there....if not they shouldn't be there. Do you know the difference??

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Pauligirl said...
from the Bee...June 4, 2005
Johnson, still the subject of a police search, was sentenced to five years and eight months in prison after being convicted in 1992 of fraud in connection with an investment scam based in Campbell. His father, Hollis Frederick Johnson, was sentenced to seven years, eight months.
In court papers, state investigators said the Johnsons' company, Genesis International Ltd., owed investors millions of dollars when the business was shut down. Investors thought the money would be plowed into businesses throughout Europe. While some investors got their money back, investigators said the money was spent on items like a $227,000 yacht. Another $125,000 was transferred to a bank account in Belize.
In the February interview, Johnson spoke of the righteousness of his new venture and said, "The bankers are doing exactly the same thing I went to prison for."







Wow Pauligirl! What a riviting reporter you are. What next? A report from you about a flood Noah was in? Two words..........OLD NEWS!!!!!!!!! Stick to weather forecast.............BROTHER !!!!!!!

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab, we could start the whole discussion over again regarding the validity/morality of the banking system but you and I previously agreed to disagree on that, remember? All I was trying to point out was that Kurt is indeed a convicted felon, which you appeared to be refuting. Notwithstanding that you feel his conviction is unjust, he was, in fact, convicted.

Pauligirl, thanks for the background. I never knew very much about the securities fraud case. If you have the whole article or a link, could you please post it here or on Neo's board? In case you missed it earlier, Kurt & I were childhood friends 30-some odd years ago. So there's a pretty big gap there I would like to try to fill in.

Scott from Vineland said...

swami-
The matter of Kurt's prior conviction came up earlier in the thread. PG was just answering that. Is it too much to ask for us all to try to play nice?

Pauligirl said...

Scott, the whole article is here:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/
business/story/13006073
p-13852578c.html
but what I posted was all it had to say about the prior. It's been mentioned in passing in most of the news, but no real details.

As to swami, it's just another one I skip over. :)

Scott from Vineland said...

Thanks, PG. You're right, there's really not much out there about Kurt (and Fred's) history prior to TDG. I guess no one else is interested in old news but me.

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
"funny how so many people get in line to critcize mr. johnson and the immediately break any one (many) christian tenets."


"...judge NOT, lest YE be JUDGED..."

FUNNY.........
Isn't that what Mr Johnson does all the time?????????????

LOLOLOLOL

Thanks for confirming it "Angel" that Kurt hasn't changed one bit

Not too suprising is it?

Oh....I know....... He will be ridiculed just like anybody else on this blog who dares question their Savior

2:30 PM




What's funny is that you some how got your question answered in only two postings of asking it and by the way when I read the Angelic posters post (try read that 3 times fast eveyone) it did'nt hit men as a man but a woman , You refer to them as a he funny what makes think that this person is a he. I think you posted your own answer Oh angel imposter.

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
Clap clap clap

You have the CLAP Gess sorry to hear that I hope you get better soon. Try to stay away from those dirty little place you like so much and may be you won't get these STD's all the time

you better get going you don't want to be late down at the clinic again you remenber whathappend last time?

dgwondering said...

Did they get Julian back yet?

tcob247 said...

Hey Kahooya....believe what you want
Sorry, I just assumed a man would be leading devotions in a man's prison instead of a woman

Kinda makes sense doesn't it dipshit?

Are you saying that Angels are women?

Are you obsessed with gaydom and sexual diseases.....you mention them all the time

Methinks you protest too much



Swami......Old News??????
Hey tell that to the investors they swindled out of Millions of dollars.
I'm sure they are satisfied with that.

Habakkuk
Bet you would be singing a different tune if it was you that invested money with Kurt back the first time he was running a scam.

He was probably sitting on his yacht, writing a blog, pretending he was Jesus telling people he was wrongly confused then too


But.....You all just keep believing him ya hear?

tcob247 said...

"wrongly confused then too"

Make that "convicted"

My apologies to Kahooya on that spelling

habakkuk said...

"Thanks, PG. You're right, there's really not much out there about Kurt (and Fred's) history prior to TDG. I guess no one else is interested in old news but me. "

I tried to interest you and others about the history of the bankers and their scam but you and others dont seem to want to hear about that. Their making history again with this dorean case.

Why dont you answer this question which i posed recently: If the Feds have such a solid case why in the hell is it taking so long to go to trial?? What are they waiting for??

answer: they dont have a case....they are looking for a way to destroy a man's life to protect themsleves. Go read what was done to Leo Wanta, a US ambassador. Illegaly thrown in jail for 13 years...they tried to kill him before that...they succeeded in poisoning his business partner. Go read it, its all there. He was interviewed on Greg szysmanski's show nummerous times. This man worked for President Reagan.

Theres plenty of history to proove the evil dealings of these people but noooooooooo, thats not important to you.

KYHOOYA said...

Scott from Vineland said...
Hab-
I am pretty certain angelofmercy was referring to Kurt's PRIOR securities fraud conviction. (Correct me if I am wrong, angel.) So yes, Kurt HAS been convicted. I think you just misunderstood the time frame.

Funny how all of you with your Judeo-Christian usernames are so quick to dismiss angelofmercy as a fraud or a plant. You should practice what you preach, SOP. Angel's post certainly rings as true and sincere as anything else I've read here. The biggest error I saw was that Kurt's next potential term will be in federal prison, not state.

Scott let me ask you something how is it that you come out of no where one day acting as if your some childhood freind of Kurt's, but yet this Whole time on this blog you have made it very clear that you are here to help condenm his actions and him for that matter.

I was also wondering what it is that has you staying on here as in what is your stake, MOTIVATION, PAYOFF , ECT. in this. Oh that's right, you work in the BANKING BIZ don't you? So that would mean that your interest is in ........?. I'll let everyone make their own mind's up on that one. I don't think it needs any help from me to see what you are!


I will however tell you whatI think about your postings& if that in someway causes a person to look at you in some different light well.... so be it.
As you may of guessed by now I have'nt the slight bit of weight that falls your way cuz, for me your post have such a transparent look about them. It's almost laughable to see your timing for each your post's. Your supporting roll to boost the roll call here for whom ever post the neg. towards Kurt and Dorean is as transparent as you are and if you are telling the least bit of truth about being a freind to Kurt you sure have a strabg way of showing it. I will make a guess that you don't have a lot of close freinds do you?

So tell me again, why do you stay on here posting anyway? that is unless I have answered that for you already in the above.

KYHOOYA said...

The Angelic person sure dose gather support pretty quick around here , make you kinda wonder just who it is REALLY don't it.

Habb,
I'm with you I think this person is just part of the rest of the plant or at best someone who just want's to boost there side's and O.P. in all this.
You know when the roll call get a lttle thin it always work to get a few more vaces in the crowd to make it look like what you say has weight don't it?

Maybe if I asked and answered my own questions like these people are I would get to think that I was right about everything to.


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If all of lifes up's & downs were on a string, then it would be easy to keep control.

habakkuk said...

"I am pretty certain angelofmercy was referring to Kurt's PRIOR securities fraud conviction. (Correct me if I am wrong, angel.) So yes, Kurt HAS been convicted. I think you just misunderstood the time frame."

I UNSERSTAND THAT NOW....BUT APPARENTLY ANGEL AINT FAMILIAR WITH THIS CURRENT CASE.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON???? MORE THAN WE KNOW...AND NO, IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MURDERERS, RAPISTS, AND PEDOPHILES, ETC...THEY SHOULD BE THERE....THEY HAVE BROKEN THE LAW OF G-D AND MAN.

DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE OVER 60,000,000,000 STATUTES? AND THEY SAY "IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE"...IF THERE ARE OVER 60 MILL STATUTES THEN IGNORANCE IS EVERY EXCUSE. WE ARE ALL LAW BREAKERS BECAUSE OF THE BOGUS LAWS OF THIS COMMERCIAL, CONTRACT SYSTEM.

habakkuk said...

We have been coehersed into this commercial system...the bate they use is benefits....then we sign a bunch of fraudulent contracts that make us their slaves (financial).

If we get out of hand they pull out their 60 million statutes to keep us in line. If they got 60 million different weapons of submission something is going to inflict some damage to you. If that fails...when guys like kurt and scott have found a way around that (legally) they put them in "the hole"....solitude....away from the population...to see if they can break them.

Whatever it takes to maintain control.

habakkuk said...

This is the truth ladies and gentlmen....WAKE UP!!

habakkuk said...

The funny thing is that they are going after Wesley Snipes (the actor) for tax evasion.....The guy doesnt even know he's not guilty...but they have trained him (and the rest of us who stare at the idiot box) to believe he is.

The IRS is the collection agency for the Federal Reserve. There is no law requiring us to pay income tax. Every IRS agent knows this. I here Many of them are walking away from that job because they are having trouble sleeping at night.

"The function of the law is not to provide justice or to preserve freedom. The function of the law is to kep those who hold power, in power."--Gerry Spence-From freedom to Slavery, 1993

Tony Tuba said...

Papa Don't Preach e-mailed me a link that proves the swami is losing it again. That guy is a certifiable nut.


http://www.nobodyswatching.tv/board/viewtopic.php?t=369&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

tcob247 said...

hey sherri
haven't heard from you for awhile
Are you still firing up the grill?
You must have gone through a lot of propane by now.

Hab.... do you have a mortgage?

Scott....don't you know.....everyone who disagrees with Kurt on here is either a plant or a government worker

Yetter said...

Martin Luthur King wrote from a Birmingham jail. "We should never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighter did in Hungary was "illegal". There is no real problem out there, just the rantings of a religeous nut. Hit the snooze button and go back to sleep.

KYHOOYA said...

Tin cuppy bite me!

You must think your self as pretty special to think that I would give onje rats tooth about what you say in regard' your comment about being "Gay" witch by the way is a word that means overy and outwordly happy. The word "Gay" being brought into mainstream useas aslang to discribe someones preference to a sexual partener as in male to male and is use to shorten the the longer term "Homosexeual" in day to day use. I can onlt imagin the place you must live and how inlightened you have made me to the mind set behind yourposting by your exhostive use of the term "Gay " in area in wiitch you are attempting to cast some form of belittlement or castration over myself in your pitiful reponces to my post's.

This place you lived must be abundently full of closet petifiles and homosexuals amoung others thing that have only there selfs and any that they might trap to express their repression and sexual want's. Thai all being covered up by an ovely amplified posture with the wording and denoucement of anything that has the least bit of a sexual tone that is out of the box from their self induced "normalitiy".

In fact I would go so far as toi say that I bet there is an unspoken word that says that anything more than a slap on the ass by someone of a male sex would be concidered as being Gay and that better be only well in the act of playing football or someother sport that has shown by it history to deemd as manly and o.k.ed by years of doing so without one major out break of instant homosexual acts happening right there on the playing feild after he pat on the ass ha0ppened so it must be o.k. for that but that it no more or byt gum ou'llbe thought to be thatr horrid Gay man .

I just bet that little display is not toi far from the truth around your area huh?

never the less I will tell you first idf youy wat to call me gay woiuld you please do so upseing the time and wording that would be in fact something that refereences that and not just the equil to some school boy taunt from across the yard. it really look's like your an idiot and have the brain of an ape when you doing what you just posted for it's context ..The other thing is that if you going to go spouting offf your mouth about thing you say that I have said or anyone for that matter you might want to do so when they might have maybe realy done at least one of the tthing or times your blabing about . It would give you just a bit of crediblity when it come to sssssome thing like me saying w

Tin Cup plz show where I have made many or multible posting in thregard to makingcomments about "gay's and such I would love to see them you know as you post ed that UI have done . It should'nt take you but a second to go back and copy and paste them here to show that your not just full of shit when you post and that your niot just someipone on here willing tio make thing up just to try and get people to beleive your LIES about what ever.
You se what I mean how by not posting the real tuth about what someone has said is not only bad by it repercution but makes you look like a completly un reliable liying dipshity of an asshloe and that you have th brain power equil that witch could not lihght up a 1 watt light bulb meaing (dimwitted) for the .. well just for you really .

you not the one for thinking out side the box you have over your head o>k> not a problem just don't take the dam thing offf so much and try and do more than is humanly possable for someone of your speed . O.K. ?

the you won't have these little probl;ems of coming back and being trown in your face for lying about the facts let alonge the slander that could go with some of the thing you might say about someone that your not aware are the truth and fact based cus bot that would'nt be fun if you damaged someones reputation or sometthing causeing them to lose the respect of there $$$ community now would it..

again bite me! you comments mean nothing drip if you want you can call me gay or any other thing that pop's into that pea brain of your it don't mean dick and still don't change the facts about the bank either now will it ?

by by tin cuppy you little butter cup butt sweat pants see at the party ta ta



LOLOLOLOLOOL hahahahah now thats funny i just bet your stomic turned justread those last line did'nt it tiin cuppy?

ah the fear of the unknown no matter what it always bring out the stupid in most.

KYHOOYA said...

By the way I have re read this post from Kurt a few times now and I sorry but thepeople on here that are post that it is in ome way a selfrightous and king like imagin of his place in all this ,you r all way offf base and that is not at all waht the man is refering to but again this is a good example of people that come on here and want to see waht they want and then post it as fact like someone said earlier

poeole will beleive what is put if front of them as writen word for thr most paert right or wrong.

Just like this guy Scott fro vineland or fantiseyland ois more like it as I said whoare you/ what dose it matter what you say here about anything to do with Kurt you say you werehis freind sur e don't look like it and sounds more like your here to fill in that spot when thing start to go south and the need to get some pust back for all the neysayer in this arena to me. after 30 year's you say boy how old were you 10 8 6 years old and now your hear act ing as if you were life long freind and you should have soom insight to the workings of this guy .. what a joke get on with your self and the b.s. it kinda funny to read you .

by the way did Kurt like the missels with the rainbow or did he like the orange over cream ones from the icecream truck there old body should'be to hard to remember from an old freind like you right?

or hey you can always jump on that band agan and use the english less enes as you foot hold . no matter .



l8r

tcob247 said...

"again bite me! you comments mean nothing drip"

If my comments don't mean anything why did you write such a lenghty post about it
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
By the way......... more than 50 % of your post was about the HOMOSEXUAL (not Gay) lifestyle

You know a LOT about that don't you?????????


Kahooya....
What do you think about Kurt's first venture into the scam business when he ripped off investors for Millions of dollars and bought himself a yacht with it.

Is he your man?

Just curious (not bi-curious like you)

Have a good day

Your friend
TCOB

habakkuk said...

"Hab.... do you have a mortgage?"

Yes, but we havn't paid a payment in months because we requested validation from the bank and they are playing games as usual.

See, when you keep paying the mortgage payment you're agreeing with them that your the DEBTOR, but when you stop paying it and let em know you know what they're doing you are declaring to them that you really know you are the CREDITOR.

So in a nutshell.....we did our homework (and did some praying)and decided to go on the offensive.....as far as i'm concerned we payed our last mortgage payment months ago. Its funny, you would think they would have foreclosed on us by now. Hmmmmmmm.

Scott from Vineland said...

kyhooya-
You're welcome. I'm happy that you find my posts entertaining. Yeah, I was maybe 7 or 8 when I first met Kurt. When they lived in Franklin Arms apts. Of course they later moved into that big old two story house on the south side of Chestnut Ave. I don't remember ever getting ice cream together but I DO remember the dirt clod fights we had on those big dirt piles behind their big house. After his mom & dad split and my mom and step-dad did the same, mom & I even lived in the same house with their mom on Almond Road. My memory gets a little fuzzy here. I can't remember if Kurt and his sister and half-brother lived there at the same time? Seems like Kurt & Faith may have been with their dad a lot during this time but again, don't hold me to that. It was kind of a rough time in my life too so I guess I may have forgotten some stuff. Eventually he and his mom and sister moved away and I never saw him again although I saw Jack & Faith in the early 80's. I don't want to say where this was because they're still there as far as I know and I don't want to compromise their privacy.

Point is, kyhooya, you believe what you will about me. I don't really care. Dr. Fred may or may not remember me but if someone is getting the posts from this board to Kurt then I promise you that HE knows who I am or at least he should after this. Not a plant. Not a fraud. Just an old friend who hasn't seen the guy for over 30 years. Would we still be friends now? Who knows? Kurt was always a fun kid and he was a great friend to have at that point in my life. What keeps me here? What is MY interest in all of this? You've just read it. You guys think I have sold Kurt down the river. I don't see it that way. I just stumbled into all of this, remember? Oh wait, that's right, I'm a guvmint plant. Sorry guys, but I really am just a peon mortgage clerk who never would have known about any of this if not for a title company bulletin last year. My friendship with Kurt meant something to me then. Means something to me now. Doesn't mean I believe that this country's entire financial system is bogus. Doesn't mean I can abide with the efforts of people who want to break a valid (IMHO) loan contract and get something for nothing. I'm sorry Kurt but I can't compromise my position any more than you can. I AM concerned about your future, bro. I hope you believe that.

habakkuk said...

"Doesn't mean I believe that this country's entire financial system is bogus. Doesn't mean I can abide with the efforts of people who want to break a valid (IMHO) loan contract and get something for nothing. I'm sorry Kurt but I can't compromise my position any more than you can. I AM concerned about your future, bro. I hope you believe that. "

Scott, with all do respect (cause i really dont know you and doubt you are a plant) i think you honestly dont want to know what the truth really is....like 80% of the people in this country working 9 to 5 and just living their lives the way they always have.

I recall giving you a resource to read that explained exactly what fraudulent scam the banks are pulling but you said you didnt believe it. I have a library of other books as well but you probably are not interested....i'll just have to accept that.

It kinda reminds me of Braveheart (forgive me for being such a movie buff) when William Wallace was indifferent to the tyrany of the English until they murdered his wife....thats when the fight began...thats what changed him. I think the only way people like you are going to realize whats really going on here is when it starts to affect your life more. But by that time will it be too late? I hope not.

My only criticism of you is that you are making statements like "getting something for nothing" but at the same time you wont investigate and find out for yourself. Its impossible for me to respect that attitude.....although i think your probably a nice person.

Pauligirl said...

habakkuk said...

Why dont you answer this question which i posed recently: If the Feds have such a solid case why in the hell is it taking so long to go to trial?? What are they waiting for??

-----------------------------
the delays are not all on Fed's side. From one of the filed docs after the brokers were added: "Government has provided defendants with supplemental discovery. Defendants Lecompte and
Tobias request time to review the discovery." If one side files something, the other side has so many days to answer. The amended cross-complaint that Kurt filed naming banks as third party defendants was declared a nullity 10/27/06. All the subpoenas were quashed. The order goes on to say "Defendants have in no way demonstrated to the Court the "relevancy, admissibility, and specificity" of the documents they request. The descriptions of the documents sought by defendants are not only immaterial and irrelevant — they are incomprehensible."

There is a status conference scheduled for November 7. " In addition, the Court has received a letter from Dr. Fred Johnson, appended hereto. The Court asks that, at the hearing, the Marshal and parties advise the Court of the circumstances surrounding the letter."

The letter from Dr. Fred to Judge Alsup claimed that Kurt's telephone and mail privileges were suspended due to some disciplinary action. Dr. Fred says "I understand that Mr. Bill Kubitz and Lt. Gillette are the ones responsible for these curtailed activities, and I find that also ironic in that Mr. Kubitz is also the herein defendants counsel."
-------------------------------

I do believe that Mr. Kubitz has made it perfectly clear that he is not an attorney and is certainly not defendant's counsel, even going so far as to file a statement with the court after he was asked by Dr. Fred to print a "sight draft" for the "settlement hearing".

It seems to be a case of "If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bullshit."

If you would like for me post the pacer docs in their entirety, I will.

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
"again bite me! you comments mean nothing drip"

If my comments don't mean anything why did you write such a lenghty post about it
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
By the way......... more than 50 % of your post was about the HOMOSEXUAL (not Gay) lifestyle

You know a LOT about that don't you?????????


Kahooya....
What do you think about Kurt's first venture into the scam business when he ripped off investors for Millions of dollars and bought himself a yacht with it.

Is he your man?

Just curious (not bi-curious like you)

Have a good day

Your friend
TCOB

1:16


As I thought you would do just post b.s. never the one to stay on the topic when there is no good answer for you to give right?

in the last post if the indeed there was 50% that reflected "Gay" in the content so be it your point? or is that the extent of your effort to show me and others how when you post such comments about someone in the hope of there intended derogatory manner, you are doing so whitout anything of proof to back your claim up? Wow is all I have for that. it must be nice to think oneself above the rest and without have to answer for your comment ,. So who was it that was sspouting off about Kurt being so full of him self and who callled him someone have a king liking mind set and who is it tha just got done showing himself to be above the need to prove his actions .. and who think 's who is acting like their a KING who ? let me see who can it beee.. just whoo can it be tha would act in such a way that made them self above repute let me see could iyt be SATAN!

Well the church lady has spoken now has'nt she I guess you just the devil him self the tinny maybe you might want to spend alittle more time at church tomorrow geting to know the true meanning behind you lust for power and the things that takeyou th this level of self worship. you never know maybe the devil can be saved if he really want's to be that is .

If you have know intention of post comments tah are at least somewhat truthful than why don't you go f)&k yourself as I'm sure would be as rewarding of an act.

and just as empty ...or so I heard from your wife hahahah..lolo l


You no get a grip tin cuppy andpost something that you can back up for a change knot that backing up isn't something you know about it must be do to the amout of homofobic displaied fear based comments you have posted here. why i dont think there is one thing I see you post or said you would do that you have keep your word about do find yourself lying like this all the time or do you justhave the devil in ya!

I bet it's the last one cuz you know how you like thing's up inya !111 hahahalololo.

Now maybe you might be a little closer to your llying post about my use of the word and that shouldmake you feel good about your self right?


in answer to your other question I would have to have the full story to have some O.P. on it. Un like you I don't run around shooting my mouth of about things I don't have all the facts on. never the less even if we were to say that that was noy with in the law the fact still remains that he did his time and paid his debt as the law you supp so much here has said by right and that being he case has no bearing on this intill such time as it is proven that their is some connection and that there is wrong doing by the letter of they law here.

anyone can get lock up and do that are not guilty of any crime maybe you might want to do a search and see just how many people are lock up unjustly or have been found not guilty do to the power of some new process like DNA test's that show it so . have you sucha great one liner for their injustist as you seem to love shooting off thein jail must be wrong classic here?

You really are some back woods bumkin arn't you and you got all work up when you saw this program and with out one once of thought took your money and sent it off with the hope and glem in your eye that thats it' spack the car were goingh to be rich and off you went. so stupid as to the fact you did'nt e think what happenss if there is a problem or if thi snew idea is some how shot down or that the power of the bank prove to be a bit much when most of the people that are in the loop are stupid spineless dumb assees like your self not willin to get off your ass and show some thread of support for this idea you once thought was sso great and that you were hoping you would get to sit there and have nothing to do for it. try to think for a change and put away your stupid little school boy question and postings that only show you to be the picture of someone that like to find that one little thing about people he was aroud that might show them to have made some mistak or ahve a flaw and brodcast it everychance you could all with the hope taht by doing so it wouldcover up how dumb your really were right. such the ashole like bully from somewhere in we have all seen. your more pethedic than you are worth the time to get mad over what you post. all leave thatand all of the miss spellings fopr you in some jester atemp at giving you what you need to hide behind rather than take the time andyes the effort it would take to findout and learn about thing so you know what the hell your taking about or getting into firsts for a change .

fact they did'nt waive time why is it that there has been over a year and ahalf that has gone by that these guy are locked up and still are over 60 day away from what look! to be their trial date when the law states that tehy are intitled to a speedy trail with in 45 day of being charge of a crime ? tell me that one smart guy and I'll even give you and one for that matter jusp right in on this if you have a good answerto this one any way as I was saying ai'll give you the time extentions but look there done and there is over 690 day to go why and what makes it o.k. with this fact


like the story goes if you want to hoold to the letter of the law you can't sit there and say hety it's wrong what they did but its right for the system to break the same law if they wantt and go up punish for it .come on witch ay do you want it right it right and the rules are the rules or everyone for them self and it' sdo whatever you can get away with witch way do you want it?

hell that one point is only the one that is bigger thatn anything other they might be doing we are not seeing and if they do it were you can see it there doing plenty when you don't catch them

what a bunch of hippos you people are hope you find your self one day faced with something that has you see how wrong you thinking is about thye real deal here.



ticuppy try answering a question before you ask another one just one good old real answer with some truth behind it for a cjange cus your real good at asking them we see tha what about some asnswers huh?


why did you get into this in the first place?

what change from then till now ?

why did'nt you check a little more before jumping in when it looks like you had the means to witch you could wait and wer'nt in trouble with the payment ?

why do you think its ok for thepeople in the system to use there power without and checks to see if it is being abused or things like tiitle companys mkiing people trying to sell there house and get out fro there problem to bte treated as if they were some kid and made to write a letter saying there sorry and won't do it again and ask plzplzpzl when in fact there owned by the lenders hvlf the time and there insureabce is nothing more than a way to get more money from the borrower .


tell us soom of these I do9n't think i rememeber you ever answering a direct question ever on here well not truthfuly that is.

well thave at it sweet checks ...... i have to tell you if you think for one second that gay talkj thing your working is going to bother me one bite your so fare off base that I hope you di keep up I'm almost sure by the time I ;m done with you in return you'll be close to crying from it so lz keep it up I 'm more thayt lobve to see how long you last with alittle sex talk there sweety cuase I don't think yupou could stand the heat. or are you really some clod=set dick locker that wants to come out and play I bet thats it thats why you get so nervice about the words aroubd anything to do wiyth it right honey bunny\? cumm on you can tell me ... I wont let out you likw slaopen beef hard we can justr keep it to are selfs' okay donky there cup cake?


you getting the idea the tin cup your chose I can play ball can you saty in the game is what you might wanty to think about before you shoot your mouth offf about b.s. and me get me PAL ?


l8r

tcob247 said...

"well thave at it sweet checks ...... i have to tell you if you think for one second that gay talkj thing your working is going to bother me one bite your so fare off base that I hope you di keep up I'm almost sure by the time I ;m done with you in return you'll be close to crying from it so lz keep it up I 'm more thayt lobve to see how long you last with alittle sex talk there sweety cuase I don't think yupou could stand the heat. or are you really some clod=set dick locker that wants to come out and play I bet thats it thats why you get so nervice about the words aroubd anything to do wiyth it right honey bunny\? cumm on you can tell me ... I wont let out you likw slaopen beef hard we can justr keep it to are selfs' okay donky there cup cake?"


I will pay someone $100 if they can interpret this for me.
I have no clue
My eyes just glaze over when I try to read his posts.


The one thing I did get is his rantings about why this is taking so long.

Obviously Kahooya, you didn't read Pauligirls post

It is mostly Kurt's fault
This could have gone to trial a long time ago

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab-
Yes, unfortunately I am still convinced that something for nothing is what we're ultimately talking about. I know, I know, you DID give them something. Your signature on a Note, a negotiable instrument that they can monetize. But I just don't understand how you can continue to contend that that Note has any value whatsoever if the maker (borrower) were not expected or required to repay it. The Note is nothing more or nothing less than a promise to repay, hence the term PROMISSORY Note. If everyone believed that a person could simply sign a piece of paper and hand it to their bank in exchange for some tangible consideration (such as a house or a car) and that was the end of the transaction, do you think the bank could STILL monetize that Note? It would then be a piece of paper and nothing more. We can't create value merely with our signature (unless we are someone famous who can sell our autograph to some starry-eyed devotee). I know you will probably continue to say that I am dense or that I haven't done my homework. But the fact is, I HAVE heard the argument you guys are making: however, the logic of it continues to baffle me. Sorry.

I don't think that your belief in this concept makes you a bad person, Hab. And you're well-spoken and have much better manners than most here. But the truth is, most people posting on this board or REI or Quatloo or Sui Juris or wherever, have already made up their minds. It seems rather pointless to argue the details any longer. The courts will ultimately settle the dispute between men and banks. And God will ultimately judge the righteousness of ALL of our actions.

Scott from Vineland said...

tcob-
My interpretation.... kyhooya is flirting with you.

(And you can put your wallet away.... I'm a rich bankster, remember?)

habakkuk said...

Scott,
I know what you mean, at first its hard to grasp how a signature on a piece of paper can do this....but thats the world of "debt money" for ya....the bankster created this scheme.....we are living in the world they created in their sick minds. The whole purpose is to control us and to steal all the wealth of the world for themselves. Since you and i were born in this world its just normal to us until we are introduced to the truth.

Remember the Matrix when Neo first found out the truth about the real world and matrix....He was shocked...."NO, let me outta here, i dont want to hear anymore!!" The firs reaction is shock in the form of denial....you might be in that stage. Then when it starts to set in you get a little pissed.

Keep reading, it will hit you like a ton of bricks one day.

son of a prophet said...

...."NO, let me outta here, i dont want to hear anymore!!" The firs reaction is shock in the form of denial....you might be in that stage."



EVERYONES first reaction as it finally hits them for real that they are living in satans kingdom, not yehsuas....


why everything is all f****d up.


thats why if you did what the banksters do, (private banking) you get arrested and go to jail.

so, why is it ok when they do it?

it NOT! just that they have the power that they sold their souls to the devil.

but, as you are quick to point out, all debts will everntually be repaid, in one form or another, so their souls will eventually be required of them to satan. this is the price that they will pay later.

and those who agree with them, shall share the same fate as well.

REPENT, FOR YOUR REDEMPTION GROWETH NIGH!!

papa_dont_preach said...

habakkuk said...
"Hab.... do you have a mortgage?

Yes, but we havn't paid a payment in months because we requested validation from the bank and they are playing games as usual."


Hab, keep up the great work! I would recommend doing a Notary Protest (if you already haven't started), once done, do a commercial process and file a UCC-1 against your bank. I can provide help if need be.

habakkuk said...

Papa,
Thanks for the advice....i'll talk to the group about that tomorrow.

habakkuk said...

Papa.....stand by, i need to ask some more questions....thanks.

Scott from Vineland said...

Sorry, never bothered with the Matrix. Always looked kinda goofy to me. Maybe I should watch it after all. Perhaps I'll finally be enlightened.

habakkuk said...

I dont know about enlightenment.....its at least a start to give you understanding of the concept.

Scott from Vineland said...

SOP-
You're right about one thing..... Satan IS the prince of this world. I wouldn't deny that. But I also believe that Christ's return is imminent and he will seperate one from another, as a shepherd divdes the sheep from the goats. Do you truly believe that everyone who participates in the banking system will be at His left hand?

Scott from Vineland said...

Who is being judgemental now?

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab-
All I can say is that when that ton of bricks DOES hit me, hopefully it will crush me into the dust and I can leave this world of trouble behind. I have enough drama in my life already.

Scott from Vineland said...

angelofmercy said...
God uses people in many different ways. Kurt was the first person I visited in a state prison. I had been doing weekly Bible studies in the jails in Santa Clara County for some years. After Kurt got transferred to Solano State prison God put it in my heart to go and visit him. Through this action many people are now visiting inmates at Solano State Prison. The sadness of it all is that Kurt has not changed. He truly felt he was misunderstood and wrongly convicted then just as he will be wrongly convicted now in his eyes. I pray that through all of this and the years that he will be serving in state prison again, that God touches his heart and he does not turn away. Let's not use Bible stories to justify what we do now, let's use the Bible stories to come closer to God and do what is wright in the eys of our Lord Jesus Christ!

1:47 PM

habakkuk said...
...dont bother coming to see me if you are practicing mis-appropriation of the scriptures...
__________________________________

I don't know how I missed this before, Hab, but I have to call you out.... Where did angelofmercy mis-appropriate any scripture here? Or are you referring to a previous post by him/her?

habakkuk said...

Scott,
that was before i knew he was talking about his previous conviction. It was a mis-fire.

I still have issues with christians who give fluffy interp of the bible.

KYHOOYA said...

Tcob

Yes I did read it but do to the fact I keep drifting in and out of sleep well doing so I read it after. this would acount for some of the mess that is in it.

That said I will say this It's your choose to read & beleive any way you want ,one of the nice ++ that we get to enjoy in this country thanks to people that were willing to step up and say no! I read the comment's and most anything to do wiyh this case that is released to the public as by nature I'm one to soak up all info about something I have an interest to say as well informed as I can as I think all should do.

I tired with all this I have more important thing's todo than to waste the countless hour I have here with you and other's

For the record my post against you are not so much a personal atack as you might think they are more in the out of my frustration in watching you time after time when someone post a valid question you follow it with one of a few responces as you. For example someone ask you why you got involved , your asnswer is never to just say why insead you go through all the b.s. to not and in the process shoe your self to be someone so closed minded or better so mad at your self for not checking thimgs and following doreans directions only to get into a mess. I can understand this really I can. My issue is that now that you have had to go through all of this mess and you did so more because you did not do your leg work and insteadt just went blindly on the word and the wrongful marketing that took place with it's regard Yes you read that right I said that the marketing was not a good thing and they should not have the least bit plaied with peoples homes when it came to druming up business and support or for what ever resone. So see you heard it from me .

I don't think that was the right thing to do
I also thing that the second was abad move , not to say that I think that it was wrong as i do with the miss info. the bank are wrong here to.

Witch bring s me to mt point


If your mad at your self for beleiveing in the marketing and getting into this all , don't you think thats is do to the fact of you not taking the time or waiting to see if this was truly what they said it was being that this was most likly the first time I think you would have heard or been able to get into something of this nature.

if this is true witch I think it is and your pist at your self witch has lead you to close down any idea that any part of this process or that the bank could be wrong and doing even worse thing than what happen to you . What i mean to say hear is if that is the case your mad and won't take any more chances because . would'nt it be a better idea to maybe take some time and go fine out what is what so you are the one that is informed instaed of what I think is the real deal about your never wanting to do anything but be the rock thrower here even when what you do dose not make any rime or resone..

Don't take this the wrong way I sure you will but anyway I said it

I think thatyour not to swift on thing like that of the lending and banking world and you not along in that their are most that don't have a clue (they like it like that so your in a cloud) any way I'll try and do this as quick as I can cuz I don't have the time today to spend here but I di want to saythins

If you pist off because you took that leap of faith and you think that you were cheted and lied to. I understand now with that said WHY DON"T YOU STOP REPETING THE SAY OVER AGAIn?

By you fipping to the extrem for the part of this that was a lie and the part were you jumpped to soon .

stop now and either find someone you TRUST OR IF YOU THINK YOU WILL UNDER STAND IT ALL GO LEARN ABOUT THE LAWS AND THE LENDING BIIZ SO THAT YOU ARE A PERSON THAT IS INFORMED ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST HOPING THATTHE PEOPLE OR THING THAT YOUR SIDING WITH ARE TELLING THE TRUTH OR DOING IT RIGHT.

i know tha is ez to say and the fact is I have paid for the knowlage that I have about this and I know what I know. I'm not looking for something for nothing (see that is where that second killed them cuz wwithout that there could be knowone to saythe were trying get some for none you no what am saying )


As I was say yI not looking for that some 4 none hey we all like finding that 5 or $20 on the ground and have no problem keeping it when ewe do. now if it get any higher than that we might start to look aroung and see if someone lost it ingeneral I think everyone here is a good person deep down (except for the plant) but even some of them with water will grow alittle for being here as will I.,. all ialll my thing is instead of all that same old meaning less posting you do why not putthat to work and find out about what it is you started to do in this and see just how much of what you've heard is true and how much is b.s. and then how much that has been twisted and changesd in the middle to try and control the damage and there is that going om . But her you see that's the problem and why iget so pist at your post you want sit and condemnm something and do it without the same info that caused you the problems in the first place

You need to go get the answers to the real story and yes there are going to be some that are still up in the air and your going to have to choose witch ones you will leap with and witch one you won't . but do so with the knowage that you have done the footwork and there by you might feel alittle better about the money you spent at least you'll walk away withsomething more instaed of the way you are going now witch get you what?

right the bigg - 0 buttkiss ( you may refer to that as gay if neeed, or intertaning have at it)

I geuss it like this dON' get mad get even go make it worth something even if you just find someone to tell you about thatyou really trust but i think with this one


yOU HAVE TO GO IT ALONE FOR YOU TO REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU LEARN..

i HAVE ANOTHER FEELING THAT YOU HAVE SPENT YOUR LIFE DOING JUST THAT. KNOW FOOT WORK AND LETTING OTHER DO IT FOR YOU AND JUST HOPE THEIR NO LESS INFORMED THAN YOU ARE

LIKE COPING A TEST PAPER YOU KNOW , SURE YOU GET THE PASSING GRADE (HOPFULLY) BUT WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED ... NOTHING AN UNLESS YOU CAN CARRY THAT PERSON YOU GOT THE ANSWERS FORM AROUND WITH YOU WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TIME COME THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW THE STUFF YOU NEVER LEARN ? ANY WAY MAYBE I HIT SOMETHING MAYBE NOT BUT i CAN'T COME UP WITH ANY OTHER RESONE FOR THE WAY YOU ACT AND SO THERE BY MY REACTION S

i WON'T BE DOING THAT ANY MORE FROM NOW ON i'M DONE POST WHAT YOU LIKE IF YOU NED TO BUT i'LL SPEND THAT TIME i HAVE IN THE SURCH FOR KNOWLAGE ANY DAY OVER THE POST INGS THAT i HAVE DONE HERE.

oH ABOUT p GIRLS POST i HEAR IT AND IT JUSTBACK'S UP WHAT i'M SAYING i KNOW ABOUT KURTS DOCUMENTS AND THE DELAYS FROM THOSE i ALSO NO THAT THE DELAYS WEREEXCECIVE AND THAT THEY WERE DONE SO WITH INTENTION AND CONTINUATION FOR THE COURTS TO GIVE MORE TIME TO THE pRO. SIDE AND ALSO JUST TO DELAY.. THE FILING FOR TIME BY THE DEFENDENT THAT WERE ADDED TO THIS WERE OF NO CONCERN TO THE WAVIER OF kURT AND sCOTT AND THERE SOULD HAVE BEED NO STOPING THE CLOCK FOR THE ADD OF FERRAL AND THE OTHER . M

cOME ON PEOPLE THEY HAVE HAD THESE GUTS LOCKED UP FOR THE BETTER PART OF ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW AND WITHOUT ANY REAL PROGRESS IN A FORWARD NATURE TO SHOW FOR I.. wE ARE ALL ADULTS HERE RIGHT? yES ... THEN i WILL HAVE TO BELEIOVE THAT YOU SEE THAT THE COURT CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT AND TWIST IT AROUND TO SAY WHAT EVER THEY WANT IN MOST CASES AND YOU'LL NEVER EVEN SEIT HAPPEN BUT WITH SOME COMMEN RESONE HERE LETS LOOK AT THE FACTS

THE FEDS HAD RAIDED TWO SEP. TIMES THE OFFICE AND BANKS OF DOREAN

THEY PUT OUT WHAT HAS TO BE SEN AS SOME WHAT SHADY THE F.WARRENTS FROM U. AND TEN WAITED WELL KURT WALK INTO THE OFFICE EVERY DAY TO WORK ON THIS STUFF (SOME FUGITIVE ) AND THEY WENT AS LONG AS THEY COULD ON THA BEFORE TAKING HIM INTO CUST. (WHER AT THE OFFICE ) AGAIN i SAY SOME HIDING OUT kURT WAS DOING AS SOME WOULD HAVE YOU BELEIVE .

SO NOW IN JAIL AND HEADED TO UTAH THEY GO SLOWLY AS YOU REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME TIME THEY WERE HERE BEFORE AND THAT WAS WHEN SOME OF THE JUDGE A. CIVIL CASE WAS BEING RAPED UP WITHOUT ANY CHANCE OF THE GUYS BEING ABLE TO DEFEND OR APPEAL AS SOME HERE KEEK SAYING LIKE jrb HOW CAN THEY APPL. IF THEY HAVE THERE ONLY OUT SIDE VIOCE CUT UP BY JUDGE .A AND FINED FOR THE PLESUER (THEIR LAWYER WAS SHOT OUT OF THE COURTROOM WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A WORD DO TO THE JUDGE CALLING THIS SCAM AND THATS THAT! FOR HIS SIDE ) GREAT SYSSTEM RIGHT THAT SEM FARE.

ANY WAY THERIR IN JAIL THEN TO UTAH FOR REMEMBER FUITIVE W. SO THEY STAIED LOCKED UP FOR 9 MO OR MORE INTILL THE BIG BAD FUGITIVE ARE SAID TO BE LET GO AND CHARGES DROPED .

NOW IF WE ARE TO BE PEOPLE OF A FARE MINE AND PUT ALL THE PERSONAL ISSUES AWAY THEN WE CAN SEE THAT IS NOT FARE TREATMENT AND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON UNDER THE B.S. WE SEE AND DONT GET TO SEE..


i SHARE THIS IF YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT IS IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM BE IT A JUDGE OR A LAWYER OR ACOORECTIONS OFF. OR ANYTHING YOU SHOULD ASK THEM POINT BLANK IS IT NORMAL OR CAN THINGS TAKE PLACE THAT ARE NOT OF A FARE OR COULD BE TAKEN AS UNDERMINING IN THERE ACTIONS OR SIMPLY CAN THERE BE THING DONE THAT CAUSE BAD TO HAPPEN TO GUY IN SUCH SITUATION AS THESE THAT DON'T GET SEEN OR IIF THEY DO NO ONE WILL SAY ANYTHING


COME ON SEE THIS AT LEAST THE FACT IS THIS THE JUDGE IS ALL POWER. AND WHAT HE SAIDS IN MOST CASES IS DONE IF SOME ONE WERE TO STAND UP ANBD SAY ANYTHING TO THE DIFFERENT (AS IN THE LAWYER ) THEY WOULD FIRST OFF NOTISE RIGHT AWAY THAT EVERYTHING WENT QUITE AND THEN A LOUD SCREAM AS THE PERSON WAS REMOVED OF THERIR BALLSS . AND WHEN THE LIGHT S CAME BACK ON EVERYONE WHO WAS LEFT WOULD BE STAND THERE AS IF THEY REMEMBER THE GUY AS NEVER HAVING VALL IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THA WOULKD BE THAT ;


aS i HAVE HEARD FROM LOAN BROKER AND THELIKE THE SAME APPLIES TO COURT ROOMS THEY ALL WORK IN THE AME ARENA EVERYDAY OR CLOSE TO IT AND THE FACT IS FUCK WITH THE BIG DOG AND YOUR GOING TO BE CAST OUT REAL QUICK LIKE
SO IT GOES TO SAY THAT IF SOMETHING DID NOT LOOK JUST RIGHT ABOUT THEWAY THING WENT IN UTAH AN DTHEN THEY DON'T LOOK RIGHT NOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THE REWAL WORLD IN MIND AND NOT SO MUST THE WRITING THAT IS PUT TO PAPER FOR THE PUBLIC RECORDS ANBD THE BE USED ASTHE BACKING FOR THE UNDERHANDERNESS .


IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS AND THEY ARE STILL OVER 60 DATS OUT FROM A TRAIL DATE THAT ALONE SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO CALL ALARM TO THE RIGHT OF THE PERSON S IN THINS COUNTRY ARE BEING RUN OVER AND THAT IT HAPPENS HERE IT WILL HAPPEN TO YPOU OR YOUR OR SOME WAY ALLREADY HAS TAKEN FROM YOPU SOME OF THE RIGHT THAT WERE SO FOUGHT FOR AND IT MAKE'S NO DIFFERENCE IF YOU THIK THESE GUY ARE DEAD WROMH AND YOU THINK THEY SHOPULD GET WHATEVERY HAPPENS ..

THAT SNOT THE WAY IT WORK AND I WOULD HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU DO THINK THAT IT IS WRONG TO . IF YOU DON'T AND BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HAVE READ HERE THERE ARE THOOSE OUT THERE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE ONES YOU CONDENM BY THINKING AND SUPPORTING THAT WHO CARRY IT OUT .


hEY I GOT TO RUN BUT i WILL FINISH THUS LATER AND THAT SOULD BE THAT FOR LONG POST OUT OF ME . i'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS TO THINK ABOUT AND SEE IF MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME GOOD READ AS TO HOW IT IS O.K. FOR THIS TO BE GOING ON AND WHY. 60 DAYS OR MORE TILL TRIAL AND OVER 1&1/2 YEARS IN JAIL WITH OUT BEING ABLE TO DEFEND THEIR ACTION IN FRONT OF THEIR PERS AND IN SO THIS HA SEAT AWAY ATE ANY HOPE OF TRYING TO RECOVER THE DOREAN GROUP EVEN IF THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVE WITH OUT ANY PRBLEM THEY WERE RIGHT THE BUSINESS IS GONE BUT EVEN THA PUT ASIDE AND NEEDED IN BE REDONE ANY WAY WHO IS IT THAT HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THIS AND AT LEAST NOT LET THEY DEFEND IT IN SOEM RESONABL TIME FRAME

CUZ THIS IS OUT THERE AS FAR AS SOME ONE GETTING TO HAVE THE FARE PART OF A SPEEDY TRIAL


45 DAYS FOLK THATS A LOT OF TIME THAT TEY HAVE BEEN LOCK UP NO MATTRE HOW YOU DRESS IT HOW MANY WAY CAN YOU SAY THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A NOYHER DELAY AND DO YOU THINK THAT kURT & SCOTT HAVE CAUSED THESE ALL NOT A CANCE WHO WANT TO SIT IN KAIL LET ALONE THAT ONE FOR ALL THIS TIME USE SOME THINKING ABOUT THIS .. OR YOU NO WHAT i 'M GOING TO START TO THINK THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT EVERYONE IS SO EASY TO GET TO DO AND THINK WHAT EVER YOU WANT JUST PUT IT IN THE PAPER THE NEWS AND KEEP UP THE B.S. UN FARE WHO'S GONA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT JUDGE AND JURY ALL IN ONE CRAP AND BOY .....

dON'T BE LEMMING SSPEOPLE GO LEARN BE THE ONES THEY FEAR AND THE ONES THAT KNOW HOW IT WORKS THEN THEY CAN'T DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING


IF DIOREAN LIED AND THEY DID TO GET PEOILE THATS BAD RIGHT

WELL WHAT THE SYSTEMS AND BANKS DO TO YOU AND YOU UNWILLNESSTO LEARN AND CHAGE THAT ARE FAR WORSE THAN THAT THEY HAVE IT EASY WITH PEOPLE THAT WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW THEIR RIGHTS FROM WRONGS .....



U COULD SEE THIS IF YOU GO AND KEARN THE TRUTH FOR YOUYR SELF THEN WHO CAN SAY ANYTHING TO YOU THAT WILL CAUSE YOU TO BE LIESD TO OR ALOSE IN ANY WAY HOW .. RIGHT THEY CAN'T NOT WHEN YOU HAVE THE INFO ON IT AND NO ITS TRUE ...
EVEN IF THEY CAN STILL GET AWAY WITH IT YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE TRUE FACTS NOCHANCE OF ANYMORE HAPPENING TO YOU RIGHT ....

son of a prophet said...

"Do you truly believe that everyone who participates in the banking system will be at His left hand?"


if this you mean, at His left hand in UNrighteousness, then YES, I do believe this, just as the moneychangers were.

and if the "judgmental" statement was directed at me, well....

YES, I am being judgemental as christians ARE called to judge EVIL.

IT IS THE PERSON THAT I DO NOT JUDGE. THE BANKING SYSTEM IS EVIL, AND I JUDGE THAT.

I HAVE NOT JUDGED ANY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL IN THE BANKING SYSTEM; THAT IS YESHUAS JOB.

OTHERWISE, I WOULD BE JUDGING SOMEONES SALVATION. JUST AS THE GOVT. IS REPRESENTED BY EVIL, YOU HAVE RARELY SEEN ME NAME INVIDUALS BY NAME; PRES, VICE-PRES, SEC OF TREASURY, OF STATE. ETC.

JUST TITLES. I KNOW, ITS SEMANTICS, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE AT A SUBTLE LEVEL.

AS IN GODS PLAN, EVEN EVIL HAS A PURPOSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

son of a prophet said...

AND ALSO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THOSE WHO ARE EVIL, ALSO KNOW WHOM THEY ARE!

THEY DONT NEED ME OR ANYONE ELSE TO TELL THEM THIS.

THEY WORSHIP THEIR GOD EVERYDAY IN EVERY ACT THEY DO.

LUCIFER

from the italian word "luce", meaning "light"

the angel of (false) light

"...for no marvel, as even satan is able to transform himself into an angel of light"

THIS IS WHY GOOD IS CALLED EVIL AND EVIL IS CALLED GOOD.

ONLY THE HS CAN DISTINGUISH AND THOSE WITH THE HS AS IT WILL JUST GET HARDER AND HARDER TO TELL GOOD FROM EVIL, BUT GOD IS GIVING CERTAIN OF HIS THIS ABILBITY.

LIKE TRYING TO FIND NEEDLES IN A HAYSTACK IS HOW HARD IT WILL GET TO TELL GOOD FROM EVIL AS EACH DAY WEARS ON......

Scott from Vineland said...

OK Hab, but I don't see where angel ever quoted or attempted to interpret any scripture there. All they did was describe the nature of their ministry. If you disagree with what they had to say, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But I still think that the specific accusation you leveled was unfounded.

Scott from Vineland said...

son of a prophet said...
if this you mean, at His left hand in UNrighteousness, then YES, I do believe this, just as the moneychangers were.

and if the "judgmental" statement was directed at me, well....

YES, I am being judgemental as christians ARE called to judge EVIL.

IT IS THE PERSON THAT I DO NOT JUDGE. THE BANKING SYSTEM IS EVIL, AND I JUDGE THAT.

I HAVE NOT JUDGED ANY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL IN THE BANKING SYSTEM; THAT IS YESHUAS JOB.

OTHERWISE, I WOULD BE JUDGING SOMEONES SALVATION. JUST AS THE GOVT. IS REPRESENTED BY EVIL, YOU HAVE RARELY SEEN ME NAME INVIDUALS BY NAME; PRES, VICE-PRES, SEC OF TREASURY, OF STATE. ETC.

JUST TITLES. I KNOW, ITS SEMANTICS, BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE AT A SUBTLE LEVEL.

AS IN GODS PLAN, EVEN EVIL HAS A PURPOSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

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SOP, I am confused by your answer. You seem to be saying initially that, yes, you do believe everyone involved in banking will be judged unrighteous. But then you say a few paragraphs later that you don't judge the individuals, only the banking system in general, as being evil.

I may have been too vague or allegorical in my question. I'll be more direct.... If I work in the mortgage industry and I willing participate (as a customer) in the banking system as a whole and have no complaints, does that make ME one of the unrighteous?

Personally, I am not sure that Christians ARE called to JUDGE evil but merely to be discerning. Judgment is mine sayeth the Lord. But if you have scripture to support our responsibility to JUDGE, please share.

oksurewhynot said...

AngelofMercy said the following and this text is revealing.
"God uses people in many different ways. Kurt was the first person I visited in a state prison... After Kurt got transferred to Solano State prison God put it in my heart to go and visit him... The sadness of it all is that Kurt has not changed. He truly felt he was misunderstood and wrongly convicted then just as he will be wrongly convicted now in his eyes. I pray that through all of this and the years that he will be serving in state prison again, that God touches his heart and he does not turn away. Let's not use Bible stories to justify what we do now, let's use the Bible stories to come closer to God and do what is right in the eys of our Lord Jesus Christ!

Scott from Vineland said...

oksure-
What does it reveal, in your opinion?

son of a prophet said...

christians are called to judge evil, but not individuals.

if not, then what is murder?

why is it wrong, if it is not evil?

show you the scrip, you say?

how bout starting with the 10 commandments? does this not judge evil, but we now also haave the HS which goes far beyond the original 10 commandments to judge evil.


regarding your:



"I'll be more direct.... If I work in the mortgage industry and I willing participate (as a customer) in the banking system as a whole and have no complaints, does that make ME one of the unrighteous?"


THIS IS NOT AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER; BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY ISSUES TO UNDERSTAND HERE, SUCH AS...

ARE YOU AWARE OF THE MTG INDUSTRY PRACTICES?

IF SO, DO YOU ALERT POTETIAL BORROWWERS...

DO YOU TRY TO ATTTACH FEES THAT YOU KNOW THE BORROWER WILL NOT KNOW ABOUT....

FLAT OUT: DO YOU TRY TO SCR*W THE BORRWOER FOR AS MUCH COMMISSIONS AS YOU CAN?

DO YOU PROVIDE FULL DISCLOSURE TO THE BORROWER?

ARE YOU JUST IN IT TO MAKE AS MUCH $$$ AS YOU CAN BY DOING WHATEVER YOU CAN?

AND THERE IS STILL MORE THAT I CANNOT GO INTO HERE; NOT ENUF TIME.

AS I HAVE SAID, I CANNOT JUDGE AN INVIDUAL; A PERWSON IN THE MTG INDUSTRY HIMSELF ALREADY KNOWS WHETER HE IS PLAYING FAIR OR NOT; HE DOESNT NEED ME TO TELL HIM THAT.

BUT THIS COULD ALSO BE SIAD ABOUT ANY INDUSRY.

TO SHOW YOU THAT I AM NOT TOTALLY BIASED, I ACUTALLY BELIEVE THAT MOSTLY ALL PEOPLE WORK IN THE MTG INDUASTY FEEL THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE TO OWN A HOME, SO I CANNOT CONMDEMN THEM IN THEIR IGNORNACE.

BUT....ONCE EXPOSED TO THE TRUTH, THEN IT BECMES A DIFFERENT MATTER.

THEY ARE THEN OBLIGATED TO POINT IT OUT TO THOSE WHO WOULD NOT KNOW.

son of a prophet said...

the above (obvioulsy) was ansered form the perspective of the mtg worker, not a mtg customer.

as the customer is the one being swindeled, i dont beleive that the customre bears any responsiblity to furhter the evil intent of the bankers and is held harmeless.

Scott from Vineland said...

SOP-
OK, bro. I understand where you're coming from now. Fair enough.

Truth is, I try never to screw anyone over, either professionally or in my personal life. And I think dishonesty is simply too much work. Lies require too much maintenance to sustain them. Not to mention that small matter that God HATES a lying tongue.

Are there bad people in the mtg biz? Of course there are. But I feel that they are, as you have described, those L.O.'s and brokers who care more about the almighty dollar than they do about their customers. But I really appreciate your concession that most of us in this business are, in your eyes, simply ignorant of the grand scheme that you guys believe in. To the extent that I am "on the inside", I just don't see it. And having weighed the considerable evidence presented by both camps, I don't think you guys have proven your case.

Habakkuk and I had to agree to disagree on the larger issue of the evil bank conspiracy. Hopefully, you & I can do the same, SOP, because you also seem capable of being decent and fair when treated in like manner. You and the others here may believe that everything I have said is pure B.S. But if you are truly led of the Holy Spirit, I trust that you will find my words sincere.

habakkuk said...

Scott said.....

"OK Hab, but I don't see where angel ever quoted or attempted to interpret any scripture there. All they did was describe the nature of their ministry. If you disagree with what they had to say, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But I still think that the specific accusation you leveled was unfounded. "

Ok, fair enough....but if you studied that information i told you about as good as you study the motives of everything i post you'd be in good shape pal;)

Scott from Vineland said...

Thanks, Hab. Just trying to keep the conversation as honest and as civil as possible.
TTFN

son of a prophet said...

scott,

its not about whether there are honest mtg brokers or not,

the fact is that the whole banking industry was created to enslave mankind.

this is something that the HS wisdom gives one or doesnt as its just not written any whre in the bible except for the verse on the moneychangers.


can there be an "honest" theif?

can there be a decent killer?

once one understnads this, one is obligated to reveal to others and stop doing it.

can a mtg. broker still do this business once he understnads what is truly going on??

NOT IF HE HAS A CONSCIENCE, HE CANT!

son of a prophet said...

thats also why we must try to be "righteous" without proclaiming to others that we are, as....

"...satan sends his emissaries of righteouness..."

the minute one claims that he is (self) righteous, he has self judged himself with the purpose of misleading others.


Matthew 6:33

"Seek ye first, the Kingdom of God, and His Righteousness, and all else shall be added unto you...."

son of a prophet said...

and regarding your first post, i dont feel that mr. j is convinced of his own righteousness at this time.

time spent alone is the closest way to god as your thought become inmmensely focused on Him.

and mr. j has certainly spent time alone and paid his dues.

solitude and meditation/prayer gets one close to god.

but, as he has noted, he is a mere tool/instrument in gods devine plan. but i am sure that he is grateful for it, also.

just as we are all mere tools/instruments in gods devine plan. (even those who are evil have a purpose too)

Scott from Vineland said...

OK, so I guess if you are a true believer in the bank fraud concept, it's understandable for you to think that people like me (mtg people) prefer to turn a blind eye to your version of truth. But you need to know that I am NOT getting rich by ANYONE's standards, doing the job I do. My family lives from one paycheck to the next, just like most of you probably do. I would have FAR more to gain by BELIEVING in what you're saying, trust me! Even so, I don't buy it. Maybe one day I'll see the light. Just not today.

You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am that you guys attacked angelofmercy as vigorously as you did. If nothing else, their post supported Kurt’s sincerity, which many have questioned (myself included, I have to admit). If angel has really met Kurt and their words can be taken at face value, it would seem that they are truly convinced that Kurt believes in his cause, as opposed to simply using the whole fed reserve bank fraud thing as a means to a scam. Even if angel doesn't believe in the bank fraud idea either, they seem convinced that KURT believes it. I really don’t understand why you guys saw angel’s post in such a harsh negative light.

son of a prophet said...

"OK, so I guess if you are a true believer in the bank fraud concept, it's.... "


it must be fraud, as y'all like to point out scripture, where in the bible did god appoint these bankers to enslave and inherit the wealth of the nations???

He didnt, satan did as this is satans kingdom, remember?

hard concept to really understnad, but god does not rule this kingdom, satan does until yeshuas return.

god rules over satan,but has given satan all authortiy to rule over the kingdom we call earth.

only thing the devil cant touch is ones soul, if he belongs to yeshua.

but, the devil can get at everything else, you money, health, family, wife, kids, etc. etc.

god lets the devil go in order to sift you and TEST you faith remember. and some of these tests are REALLY HARD, almost to the death of the beleiver.

just go ask Job who lost everything to satan. (but then God gave it all back to him)

son of a prophet said...

"I would have FAR more to gain by BELIEVING in what you're saying, trust me! Even...."


maybe thats why you living paychex to paychex.

the truth shall set you free....

son of a prophet said...

"...just go ask Job who lost everything to satan." (but then God gave it all back to him)


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I often meditate about this (job) and if all beleivers will recieve (in this life) everything back as job did.

at this p;oint, i am not sure as because we are in the end times, i dont know if there is enuf time to get it all back that was lost.

we will surely have it all back in the next kingdom with yeshua, but i am not so sure about getting it all back in this one as job did.

when the HS reveals this to me, i will surely let all know abut the answer.

for examle, even when the DG is successful, it may be too late to help those who have already lost their homes and famlies, not thru DG fault, but because of the times we are in. foreclsures with or without DG are skyrocketing due to loss of jobs.

i guess this is Gods way of testing as the tought test must come somehow and losing you house may be it.

each believer is to soon be severly tested beyond what they thought they could handle. i know from personl experirence and the HS has told me this also.

SO BE FOREWARNED AND PREPARED!!

son of a prophet said...

"TRIALS/TRIBULATION PRODUCES PERSEVERENCE, PERSERVERENCE PRODUCES FAITH, FAITH PRODUCES CHARCACTER, CHARACTER PRODUCES HOPE"

KYHOOYA said...

Obviously Kahooya, you didn't read Pauligirls post

It is mostly Kurt's fault
This could have gone to trial a long time ago



No it's obvious you are taking what she said about one document and appling that to evrything involved.

What has happen for almost 2 yr. now being they have been locked up un able to carry out anything of day to day life that we all do.

What I mean to say is. In a country that is based in fare and equil treatment for all and that a person is free from penilty and harm if acussed of wrong doing. It is ony when the members of a selected group of people that make up a fare and equil body of 12 representing that persons walk in life
(like blue shirt you don't make the jury up of mostly bankers)

when these 12 say that they find by the overwelming colection of items and events that the ons accussed are in fact now guilty of the crimes they were said to have done.

At that point and that point only is when someone should be labled in any form with a term that would say they have committed the crime they are accused.

Also along with that it is our countries intented in law that anyone that dose not poss a treat to life or can be made to remain without flight risk by using means of holding bond or such passports to stop any exit. this to allow the person to be able to crry out their day to dat lives and not cause the effect of complete and utter colapes of someones holdinga and family.

so tell me where was the flight risk and all the treat of life here and how could someone say in all areness that these two have been moved along the systems with due dilagence and process when said two have been locked up ,called crimiinals by the new and other 's with the ear of the public O.P. at to use . hao can in all farenesss anyone say that by being run through what can only be seen for what it is the DRAGING FEET with regard to time in this and there by it has cause what all time is a good affect in doing (as in only thing to mend a broken heart is time kinda thing) well this case it is more of the the time is the thing that will make all forget or allow the end result to be so distructive that there will be no need to go forword with any other form of trial it will have been done and complete by the act of TIME.

Funny that "TIME" is what is used to dicribe someones sentance after their found guilty and have been sentance to their jail term.

Wake up and see that right or wrong ,aggree or not that the out right miss use of power and intent to cause delay's by so use to these two have been many and very well planed out as a form and or tactic to be use and will in the end have the results they are after no matter what the court or trial if it goes that far will show .

I ask anyone to show why if the FEDS had the need ed fact and itemsto cause an Inditment and that there were judges that had the mind set to imposs fine's and penilties alone with the out right posting of their decided verdict the two and their "INTERNET SCAM" why should anyone think that the out come would be anyother but what the judge has alreadly shown to be his mine.

two yr. is a long time by anyone's mine but it sure a lot less if you have'nt been lock away from family or freinds and you have been able to carry out you day to day work or what ever you might do or just keep the things that you may have without there being a totla loss .. Example : let just say today someone points to you and says that you were the one that killed the Dog and that there has been many such crimes done in that area numbering in the hundereds and very brutle in there act.

now this is a dog & not a human. We love are dogs though and sometime's as much if not more than some people so to say I dont think this would be murder but if you were pointed out as the one that someone saw almost do the crime in one spot and it by the way thiung looked you were the one ,

Now thought you did'nt do this and it is a case of misstaken I.D. and over active mine of the accuser you are now thrown in jail and the one that now have control over you and thesystems no's that there in not going to be a way to give a sentance or to convict you that they think is warrented of the crime ..


Again your not the one but still now your loced up the judges and people fromthe court system have all but said to news papes and the like posted you face and call up some past thing that you had all ready done you r time for and been demed as paid your debt.

but in the process you have had your name slandered and any hope of ever living around the area again gone youe home you lost it do to the none payments well you were loced up and could not attend your day to day afairs so the bank took it and your credit is completly and fully damaged beyond hope of repair & will be year's intill you can rebuild it.
along with that your family has turned their back on you and will not have anything to do with you. Now along with this well your in the jail you are tring to keep somewhat 's left of your like from falling any more in to pieces but the people there don't like you and the judge has a big bad ax out to grind cuz he loves dog's and even owns a training school /rescue foundation. on the side. so he has made it clear your wrong and need to pay but there might be a problem now be cause the fact around the case chaned when the witness had a heartatack and dies now there is no one to say you did this crime that could cause you to get off.

So all saidd and this judge having the power to get people to do so things and a big dilike for you followed with the fact now that it looks like your going to not pay the price the dog loving judge and such feel that you should he has made so that at evey turn your action or nonactionss are cause for delay or some retropunishment and has the resultes and afect of cutting off your comunication little by little and also he has delaied any futher motions that would have the trail get to the point of your feared relase do to the lack of cause and anyproof that showed you did this..

You see by this example we see that a man's live has been completly and more or less distroied by the doings of a misunderstanding that he was'nt the one and the fact that somepoeple involved were freinds of the judge or new somepeople and that the judge made it a problem and twisted thing to cause youmore harm all to be in the end found out it was'nt your knife and there by intented doing to e use to kill all thoughs dog and the hole thing is more so the act of thye under thought out process on how it should be documented and filed all the wittnesses statments so that they could be used . or better fact finding being done from the start of the investigation and the personel carrying that duty out.

so with a great big " YOU CAN GO NOW" AND A LIFE YOU NOW see as completly ruined after 2years of being looked up and you have no idea how you will rebuild it. You have nothing but contempt for you freinds and family for them turn their back on you tha you will never have an thing to do with them ..more so for their thinking you would do such a thing ... oh ya. by the way you dog's gone neo to the spca came and took you dog and with no one to claim it and you in jail they put it down. so no more dog.

Boy I wonder if all of that could be made all right with a lawsuit and money or if something can't be fixd ever .
and allthis for what some people that did'nt take the time to get all of the fact about something and a judgge who was to easy to persuide into abusing he power and crossed the line with his act's do to his love of dog's and such other thing. the judge will never pay aprice for that cus there will be nothing said about it from anyone that new what he did. the thing that made any possible chance of you showing the fact and getting out before all was gone.

all for the lack of the extra effort to try and find as much as they could to show them if this was the one or if they shoul look some more at other one.

for every action there is and equil and even so reaction do everything we do.

The one thing over lokked in this example is the poor dog's and how they wer the one that had to pay aprice for their running loose and not keep in side exposed to anything tha might come along. They thoug as did everyone that their teeth and dog like manner could defend and let be shown when it was time get out or when to move foreward and push bake their attacking partyies .

End up it was some veit. cook's on a meat finding mission for their new to open next week food emporium. and know one ever found them out . nope they went on to import the dog's they need ed for their money making business and only every once in a blue moon dio you hear of a dog attack but they still happen if you look around there is still lot's of them it's just that they make it look like it's some other thing that is doing it and they branched off into cat's , cat's that live inside some that don't they got into kittlens and puppy brokering and mills it BIG i TELL YOU AND IT ALL GOES ON WITH OUT ANY FUSE AT ALL OF THE LAW CUZ THEY JUST THING IT THAT OLD EMPORIUM AND NO BIG CHANGE THERE..

tHIS IS OF CORSE A BIG STORY BY IT MIGHT GO TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE MANY ANDMANY THING THAT HAPPEN WHEN SOMEONE IS LOCK UP AND MADE OUT TO THE BIG BAD GUY WHEN IT JUST MIGHT NOT BE TRUE OR THE WAY IT IS SAID TO BE AND LOOK THEY NEVER EVEN GOT TO THE TRAIL PART AND ALL THAT HAPPENDED UP TO THAT POINT IN 2YEARS .. KINDA ALITTLE BIT OF A ONE SIDE PAYMENT FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS BY THE LAW NOT GUILTY INTILL THEY HAD THE TRAIL BUT IN THIS CASE THAT WA DONE BY OTHE MEANS AND THE TRAIL WAS OVER BEFORE THEY EVER GOT GOING

WHO NEED'S TO BUILD A CASE WHEN YOU HAVE KNOW INTENTION OF EVER GOING TO TRAIL ANYWAY?


BUT WAIT IF ALONG THE WAY THINGS CHANGE AND IT LOOK'S LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVGE UNDER ESAMATED THESE GUY'S AND THEY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO TRAIL NOW ,, WELLL THEN IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU NEED SOME TIME TO GET YYOUR ACT TOGETHER AND STUFF FOR THE TRIAL OR YOUR GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT WAS ALL A BUCH OF ILLEGEL ACY THAT TOOK PLACE AND JAILED THESE TWO. OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE







FUNNY! IT'S NOT IF YOU HAPPEN IN YOUR LIFE TIME TO EVER BE IN THE POSSION OF SOMEONE HAVEING POWER OVER YOUR RIGHTS AND THE POWER TO LOCK YOU AWAY SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.


THEN YOU'LL KNOW HOW INPORTANT IT IS THAT THE RIGHT'S OF EVERYONE GET UPHELD NO MATTER WHAT YOU MAY THINK ABOUT THEM ...

REMEMBER THIS IS MONEY NOT DOGS OR PEOLE KILLED HERE THIS IS ABOUT MONEY .. SOT SO MUCH LIFE TREATENING IN MY MIND.

KYHOOYA said...

WELL I GEUSS i WAS WRONG ABOUT THE LONG POST .. OH WELL i SURE HOPE THIS DOS'NT CAUSE A LAWSUIT OR SOMETHING. lololo OR HOW ABOUT AOlAOlAOlAOlAo

for "Acting out loud"


......\/''''''o
l8^)>|x=====\/

When you've got life on a sting, controling it's up's & down's is easy........


Have Great week everyone!

KYHOOYA said...

Scott from Vineland said...
When a man becomes utterly convinced of his own rightousness, he needs to take a spiritual inventory. Pride often goeth before a fall and if/when Kurt falls, many others will be sucked down in the vortex.

who's going down the vortex that is involve and waiting well their's is in trouble of being lost


I think all that was taken care of when the Bad judge A. made a chose and called it a "Internet Scam" and through their lawyer out with a fine and told it was do to the point he sould known better than to rep. a client that is running a "internet scam" andd never let him say a word to defend the guy's side of this. and everone talk's about how the court are not fair and all that ... boy won't they think bad of them selfs after reading this. what a joke

see what we want to see . was that a song?

if noy maybe it should be for some resone I have the song like "Let it be" and such floating around in my head right now....


l8r

son of a prophet said...

rember, even the bankers are just a (one of many, govt., media, statutes, laws, etc.) means to an end.

the most powerful means of control is not bankers, but will be one of religion.

in fact, the bankers power is rapidly in decline, as they have served their purpose.

money is fast becoming obsolete and going to a cashless society.

bankers will have little value.

a persons "wealth/assets" will be eventually in stored "units" to be accessed by a card.


and when eventually "perfected" leading up to "the MARK" (OF THE BEAST)

a tattoo (bar code) placed on ones right hand whihc stores the account numbers of ones "stored units" for access to purchase items.


"...MAY NOT BUY, NOR SELL....WITHOUT THE MARK.."


at that point, money is obsolete, and so will bankers be obsolete.

so they too were only just a tool in the devils hand to be disposed of when no longer useful.

son of a prophet said...

needless to say, anyone taking 'the mark' on his hand will be condemned to eternal damnation.

this will be a severe test when you cant buy food for you family wothout the mark on you hand.

take the mark and suffer eternal damnation;

dont take the mark, and you cannot buy or sell and you watch you famaily slowly starve to death....

not easy.

Yetter said...

So called ex friends,sympathizers and Kurt bashers are completly missing the point.Last year Hank Greenberg of AIG was left unscathed in a bond controversy. This past month, John Mack of Morgan Stanley was exonerated in a mutal fund fraud case involving Pequat Capital. This summer Frank Quattrone of CS First Boston was forgiven and reinstated with his brokerage license, free to run trades despite criminal conviction. Watch Dick Grasso of of NYSE depart with his full multi million retirement package, even though the firm is a "not for profit" organization.Between Washington DC and New york city,improper behavior and conviction are not a cause for dismissal or prosecution, rather they are a job requirement and work like a calling card. Bernie Ebbers (World Com), Jeff Skillings (Enron)and Dennis Kozlowski(Tyco)were not decendants of the Manhattan bloodline. For a real education, read transcripts and details of the Enron corruption and exposure. JP Morgan was and still is the instructor who taught how to set up Special Purpose Entities, those offshore Caribbean shell companies which laundered money and kept criminal fraud activty hidden.JPM was the mentor to Enron, was knee deep in the corruption, but escaped scott free, except for a couple billion in losses.JPM is a partner to the US Govt, and has been a trust servant scince the depression.They managed to lodge all the charges on the Accounting side squarely against Arthur Anderson which had zero US Govt connections. JPM thereby eliminated a strong competitor in AA.Now JPM has entered into accelerated energy contract activity, again coming to the aid of the US Govt, with the more overt cooperation of Goldman Sachs. Gsax has been given outsourced financial function for the US Govt operation.The merger of the US Govt Corp and top Corporations has grown increasingly intertwined, rendering collusion, manipulation and worse fully above the law, see the impunity law passed earlier this year by Congress.Of course there is no problem with the GSE'S, FNM et all.For all you its my country love it or leave it, its not the country and its the evil thats running it.We used to be a great country and there is not much time left , its being sold for a few pieces of worthless mortgage promissory notes.

mogel said...

Scott said: "I pray that through all of this and the years that he will be serving in state prison again, that God TOUCHES HIS HEART and he does not turn away."
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Who's really being judgmental here? :o) Are you assuming or concluding that Kurt can't be touched by the Spirit?

As far as promissory notes being valuable, NO they aren't valuable, that's why they are put in large batches together & sold off as securities in the secondary market. You know--- mortgaged backed securities, it's really not a business either. It's all a conspiracy made up. :o)

mogel said...

Scott said: " I HAVE NOT JUDGED ANY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL IN THE BANKING SYSTEM; THAT IS YESHUAS JOB.
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Oh, but it is YOUR JOB TO JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BANKERS LIKE KURT.

Hey it makes sense to me. I can't understand why anyone can't understand what you say. It's all so clear and without guile.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel-
You need to read my posts more carefully before you strike out. Both two quotes you ascribe to me were not MY words. The first was from angelofmercy's post and the second was a quote from son of a prophet. In both cases I clearly attributed them to their original authors. An apology would be nice but I won't hold my breath.

Scott from Vineland said...

And I think my words are clear enough. I don't think anyone here fails to understand what I say, we simply have differences of opinion and belief systems. And guile? Who's judging who now?

MOGEL=POT,
SCOTT=KETTLE?

Scott from Vineland said...

Guile. :) What an amusing accusation from you of all people, Byron. I'm still ROTFLMAO. Dude, Nathanael is my middle name! (Ask SOP or Habakkuk to explain.)

mogel said...

Scott from Vineland: I know who Nathaniel in the Bible was. He was the man that was declared by Jesus being "a man without guile or without deceit." How cute!! Tell me is "Nathanael" the Biblical spelling or is that your own perverted spellingof the real "Nathaniel" of old? Now, I'm rolling on the floor laughing my "arse" off.

mogel said...

I purposely mispelled a couple of words. Can you tell where they are? It's kind of like looking for Waldo. Can you find Waldo?

mogel said...

Tycob247 said: "Scott....don't you know.....everyone who disagrees with Kurt on here is either a plant or a government worker"
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Everyone? Could they be a former teenage friend of Kurt's?