Wednesday, March 07, 2007

Dr. Jeff (02-01-07)

I saw your comment and thought I will respond. I had never seen your comment before so I apologize for the delay. I can see by your comments that I’m not going to be able to reason with you. I will just blurt out the facts as I see them and then you can make your plans accordingly. I did my service those who convinced you otherwise have lied. Are you suffering? I have no doubt. Me also! Am I the cause of your suffering? This is where you err. If you really believe I frauded you the US Attorney’s office is looking for trial witnesses right now. I think you would be far better off looking to the real fraud and the players promoting it. Go after them and get your damages. I have to go through this shit because I have to prove once and for all how stupid my clients were. Once you have evidence I was true, honest, and sincere you will realize how much time and energy you wasted on the wild goose. Unlike you my eyes are firmly fixed on the right target and my feet are firmly planted on the law. Your emotion plea is a creation of your ignorance and doesn’t move me. I will not be giving you a refund I will be giving you vindication and your damages even though you have done nothing to mitigate them. In the end you will be glad that I was resolute and determined to suffer to protect you from your own foolishness. Until then you are free to vilify and hate me. I am not moved by my emotion but sound and calculated reason. That’s just the surface. For the deeper truth try reading what I posted here the last year and a half. I wish you well and hope your suffering is reduced but regardless I have a job to do and I am about my business. Scott and I will be a textbook example of selfless trustee performance in the end.

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justice77777777 said...

Trial has now been continued until May 7, 2007.

Apparently, the duo are contmeplating getting an attorney to represent them.

near the end said...

"BRUCE W. Macomber" or do you like being called "Nemo";

You never answered my question as to why you got out of paying all your debt's by fileing "BANKRUPTCY";

You should be ashamed of yourself.

That was a low life thing to do. My little "BALD HEADED" friend!!!!!!!

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel said..."What is the prosecution or court thinking? Maybe they aren't prepared after all to put up or shut up?"

Then again, maybe the "prosecution or court" is magnanimously letting the Dim Duo hang themselves with a long rope. After all, is it not those two nitwits causing the delays? Besides, Mogel, you're a whole lot better off with things in limbo. At least now you've got an audience for the crap you constantly spew.

son of a prophet said...

could the delay in trial (settlements) any to do with the latest worldreport.com put out yestserday???

son of a prophet said...

better hope that the settle doesnt depend on wanta, as is become very obvious, that THEY ARE NEVER GOIING TO PAY

and if they stall long enuf, surely a major distraction can be created; new war, nuking some country, terroist attack, stock market plunge, etc.

obvious this is what they intend on doiong.....

son of a prophet said...

this deserve a BIG LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!



from now on, dont send you settemnet request to fedral reserve, just put in envelope and send to CIA attn:promissory note dept.


LOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THE PARALLEL OBJECTIVE IS TO AVOID PAYING AMBASSADOR WANTA THE $4.5 TRILLION OF FUNDS THAT REMAIN TAGGED AND EARMARKED IN HIS NAME AND IN THAT OF AMERITRUST GROUPE, INC., BASED IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.

• IMPORTANT NOTE:

Bank of America, the CIA’s principal bank, is to progressively take over the operations of the Federal Reserve System. This means that the corrupt Central Intelligence Agency consolidates its position as the largest, most corrupt and most dangerous ‘State within the State’ in world history. It is believed that many ‘white hats’ within this colossal ‘enterprise’, which runs and controls the US Government and seeks to control many others, are alert to the extreme dangers of this situation. Not everyone inside the CIA is a double-dealing, two-faced, scamming liar and crook.

IN SUMMARY, THIS SCAM, WHICH THE PERPETRATORS HOPE TO BE ABLE TO REPLICATE WITH IMPUNITY, EXPLOITS THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY AS CO-CONSPIRATOR WITH THE WHITE HOUSE TO DEFRAUD THE TAXPAYING PUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA, THE REPUBLIC OF GERMANY, AND THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF AUSTRIA, AMONG OTHERS.

near the end said...

gr82moi, You are not very smart;

Do you have a brain?

son of a prophet said...

WHAT?????????????????????????

The Wanta Plan is 100% permanently transparent: Tax is paid on all Wanta trading and project transactions on a continuing basis. Estimated accruals to the US Treasury by way of tax on Wanta Plan transactions are of the order of $800 per banking week.



all this fo only $800 a week????


what kind of dumb HYIP you put this in anyway if only pay $800 a week???

waht? yo stoopid or something???


yo could of got more yo put it in one of belly borls HYIPs. idoit.

near the end said...

son of a prophet; Sorry; but you don't make any sense.

son of a prophet said...

NTE: neither is wanta. nor is he making any $$$$

mogel said...

Great to be Moi said: Then again, maybe the "prosecution or court" is magnanimously letting the Dim Duo hang themselves with a long rope. After all, is it not those two nitwits causing the delays? Besides, Mogel, you're a whole lot better off with things in limbo. At least now you've got an audience for the crap you constantly spew.
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If it's true the Dorean Group are getting help & legal advice to help present their defense & cement their already spendidly strong foundation, how is that tantamount to "hanging themselves"? You lost me on that one. After all, how can they be experts on court procedure since they don't do that for a living on a daily basis? Why not get an attorney to help them present things in a fashion that the Judge can understand? Attorneys and Judges automatically give you more respect when they are talking with "their own". They already have the truth on their side. The truth won't hang you, but "set you free". Course, being an anti-christ, that you are, maybe you don't understand that.

MOST of the delays have been caused by the Courts and the corrupt system, not by the Dorean Group.

You're right, I am better off by delays, because my damages accrue daily & get larger & larger as my house goes up in value each day.

And having an audience benefits me how? Again, you lost me there again.

son of a prophet said...

The high-level official crooks have the following basic objectives:

• Endless criminal self-enrichment (yet when they die, they cannot take a penny with them).

• Establishment of a One World (New World Order) system which, they assume, would ensure that they could never be indicted and slammed into prison for the rest of their lives – like their lesser associates are going to be – given that their criminalist elite would (they may imagine) control the global judicial system serving their Fascist global dictatorship. The underlying motive for globalist hegemony is thus immunity from prosecution. But of course they will all be dead and their money will be useless to them where they are going – as well as winding up useless for the rest of us, too.

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interesting to see if/how long they can pull off this "new world oder" scheme??


who do we root for??

dont know. one thing is certain however, we are entering the time of jacobs trouble from the bible.

the ptb are attacking the foundations of the jews systems (money, banking, etc.) and attempting to bring judgement to them and strip them of these attributes as jews are the only ones with power in this world given them by god.

it is an "in-house" battle as the only ones who can bring this judgement to them are also jews; as a previous posted article stated.

these jews are no doubt the tribe of dan. as they have also been given equal power on this earth, and they are also using deception to the greatest degree, ie., they are masquerading as "christians"

the tribe of dan has infiltrated the catholic church and is bringing pressure to bear on the other jewish tribes. that is why the bible says that the RC church will be destroyed as it is really the tribe of dan running it and after it is no longer useful, it will be destoyred after bringing judgement to the jews. god used the tribe of dan for this purpose and then god personally destroys the tribe of dan.

exciting times are just up ahead if the HS is giving you widsom to interpret biblically the events as they occur.

mogel said...

Near the End: Bruce loves to be called "Nemo". It's representative of the lost little fish he is, trying to find truth in this world and also trying to find his way back home to his daddy.

And don't expect an answer from Nemo on his bankruptcy. He can't justify or explain his story or his actions. You see one person who tried to steal his business caused him to declare bankruptcy, according to his own testimony, but in his bankruptcy, he discharged ALL OF HIS DEBTS. If it was only one person he was trying to stop AND HURT LIKE HE SAYS, he would have reaffirmed all the rest of his debts & not hurt other innocent parties in order to make his story make any sense & have consistency. Do you think he really did that?

Hey, Nemo can't even decide one day to the next if he's really in business or not or when he's shutting the doors on his website. Now, that's being really lost & uncertain, I'd say.

Do you really think I have that much power to decide how long he keeps his internet site up as if he'll keep it up longer, JUST to prove to me he can be a successful & profitable businessman? Nemo's problem is that he cares too much what other people think of him, which is truly a serious flaw in his character!!!

Why else would he cry like a cry baby little fish trying to get a website shut down through threats of lawsuit as if his character was marred by comments of others, when he has done the same crap and marring of personal reputation on other people & has done it maliciously in many instances to people. Who has ever threatened him with a retraction of what Nemo has said, or they were going to sue Nemo or have his website be shut down? That's hypocrisy in it's best form. Yep, he cares too much what other people think!!!! That part of his make up motivates his behaviour. It's easy to push his buttons. He's too predictable.

Come on, REALLY???????? Who would have "thunk" that?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
MOST of the delays have been caused by the Courts and the corrupt system, not by the Dorean Group.

I gave you rope to hang yourself, and of course being the idiot you truly are, it wasn't even a contest.

First and foremost, getting an attorney goes against EVERYTHING the duo have been preaching for the last year and a half. See what they wrote to lecompte about his attorney's and now they go and hire the "same kind".

Secondly, the gov't wants to have council assigned to the duo because if they are removed from court for telling the judge or jurors that "their house is burning down", it opens up a world of appeallate issues.

Lastly, you all have a good friend that is fighting tooth and nail not to be sent to the US from Panama and those options have almost exhausted themselves and his appearance will be likely at a May 7, trial.

justice77777777 said...

justice77777777 said...
First and foremost, getting an attorney goes against EVERYTHING the duo have been preaching for the last year and a half. See what they wrote to lecompte about his attorney's and now they go and hire the "same kind".

Pardon me, ALLEGEDLY.

son of a prophet said...

yep. the tribe of dan is going after the other 12 tribes.

real christians dont get youself caught in the crossfire as these people are playing for keeps and it will literally kill you.

stand by the sidleins and watch.

we know the outcome however. the tribe of dan (vatican) is going to win.

this war is among the jews, dan vs. 12 tribes.

so, wonder who wanta represents??

difficult to tell at this point as anyone with half a brain can even see taht there is so much information/disinformation going on and it isnt quite clear who telling the truth. syamski-artic becon/story- wordld repots etc.

these folks using high tech psyops info/disinfo which the average christian could never even hope to disicper, unless.....one has the HS of course giving them truth that only HS can give.

son of a prophet said...

psyops = cia psychological operations

mogel said...

Justice said: "See what they wrote to lecompte about his attorney's and now they go and hire the "same kind"."
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Why don't you share that correspondence or conversation with us. I'm not acquainted specifically what you are referring to. How do you happen to know about personal conversations that took place between Lecompte & Kurt?
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Justice continues: "Secondly, the gov't wants to have council assigned to the duo because if they are removed from court for telling the judge or jurors that "their house is burning down", it opens up a world of appeallate issues."

YOU MEAN IF THEY SAY THAT A FIRE WILL TAKE PLACE THIS MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOT COMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL TO REPRESENT THEMSELVES? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MEAN GOD IS UNABLE TO BURN SOMEONE'S HOUSE DOWN IN JUST RETRIBUTION IF THAT IS HIS WILL? YOU MEAN SOMEONE IS AUTOMATICALLY CRAZY BECAUSE THEY CLAIM WISDOM OR DIRECTION OR WORDS FROM GOD? DIDN'T WE ALREADY HAVE A COMPETENCY HEARING CALLED A FARETTA HEARING & IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY COULD REPRESENT THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT? IF THEY ARE COMPETENT TO DO THAT, THEY ARE ALSO COMPETENT TO CHANGE THEIR POINT OF VIEW OR STRATEGY IF THEY CHOOSE.

SURPRISE IS ALWAYS A GOOD STRATEGY. I REMEMBER WHERE I WAS A DEFENDANT IN A CIVIL TORT TRIAL ONCE, & JUST BEFORE THE TRIAL, I WAS RELEASED AS ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS. THE SURPRISE REALLY PISSED OFF THE DEFENDANT'S COUNSEL FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANT & THE STRATEGY BEHIND THAT.

NO LONGER BEING A DEFENDANT, I WAS THEN ABLE TO BE A WITNESS, BUT AS A WITNESS, I WASN'T ABLE TO SIT IN ON THE TRIAL & LISTEN TO WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SAID & GONE ON PRIOR TO WITNESSING ON THE STAND. I WAS KIND OF SEQUESTERED FROM THE DAILY EVENTS OF THE TRIAL NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I SUPPOSE THE PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.

MAYBE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY, REPRESENTING THE OTHER DEFENDANTS, WAS AFRAID OF WHAT I WOULD SAY AS A WITNESS & HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE LIABILITY OF THE INSURANCE COMPANY! AT ANY RATE I REMEMBER HOW SHOOK UP HE WAS ABOUT THAT SURPRISE & THOUGHT IT WAS HILARIOUS BECAUSE HE KNEW I HAD A CHIP ON MY SHOULDER AGAINST THE INSURANCE COMPANY & ALSO THE ARROGANT ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE INSURANCE COMPANY, BASED UPON THINGS HE SAID & DID TO ME, BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANY SHOULD HAVE DEFENDED ME TOO, AND THROWN OUT THE RED CARPET TO ME, BUT INSTEAD, THEY LEFT ME OUT IN THE COLD TO BE ALL ON MY OWN & TO DEFEND MY OWN INTERESTS.

IN THE END I WAS TOTALLY EXONERATED & THE TRIAL COULDN'T HAVE GONE BETTER IN THE FINAL RESULTS. HEARING THE VERDICT WAS ONE OF THE BEST DAYS OF MY LIFE. ____________________________

Lastly, you all have a good friend that is fighting tooth and nail not to be sent to the US from Panama and those options have almost exhausted themselves and his appearance will be likely at a May 7, trial.
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HOW STRANGE... DIDN'T JUDGE ALSUP SAY MR. JULIAN WAS EXPECTED BACK BEFORE CHRISTMAS 2006, AND THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET? SHOULD I BE SURPRISED? WASN'T THIS THE SAME CHARACTER THAT SAID THE DOREAN GROUP WOULD GET LIFE & THE TRIAL HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET? THE COURT CAN'T EVEN DETERMINE WHEN THE TRIAL START DATE IS, NOR CAN THEY SEEM TO KEEP COURT APPOINTMENTS SET. IT'S MORE THE RULE THAN THE EXCEPTION.

"LIKELY".... "ALLEGEDLY"..... YEP, YOU GOT ME ON A ROPE. WHAT A DOPE, YOU ARE!

TRYING TO DO THE "ROPE A DOPE", AGAINST ME HUH? MUHAMMED ALI, YOU ARE NOT!!!!

mogel said...

Justice said: "his appearance will be likely at a May 7, trial."
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Is that May 2007, or do you mean the year May 2008?

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel blabbed: “After all, how can they be experts on court procedure since they don't do that for a living on a daily basis? Why not get an attorney to help them present things in a fashion that the Judge can understand?”

Excellent point, and thank you for bringing it to everyones attention, Mogel. Just goes to show what I’ve been saying all along: “Those boys ain’t got sense ‘nuf ta come in outta the rain!” Tell me, if they’re not “experts on court procedure”, why have they been telling everyone they are? Seems to me that if they would lie about their knowledge of the legal stuff, it’s likely they’d lie about their knowledge of bank loans too. Ya think?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
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Why don't you share that correspondence or conversation with us. I'm not acquainted specifically what you are referring to. How do you happen to know about personal conversations that took place between Lecompte & Kurt?

Why don't you look at the blog johnson wrote titled "Farrel" a couple of weeks ago, moogie.
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HOW STRANGE... DIDN'T JUDGE ALSUP SAY MR. JULIAN WAS EXPECTED BACK BEFORE CHRISTMAS 2006, AND THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET? SHOULD I BE SURPRISED? WASN'T THIS THE SAME CHARACTER THAT SAID THE DOREAN GROUP WOULD GET LIFE & THE TRIAL HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET? THE COURT CAN'T EVEN DETERMINE WHEN THE TRIAL START DATE IS, NOR CAN THEY SEEM TO KEEP COURT APPOINTMENTS SET. IT'S MORE THE RULE THAN THE EXCEPTION.

"LIKELY".... "ALLEGEDLY"..... YEP, YOU GOT ME ON A ROPE. WHAT A DOPE, YOU ARE!

TRYING TO DO THE "ROPE A DOPE", AGAINST ME HUH? MUHAMMED ALI, YOU ARE NOT!!!!

Your co-hort Julian is fighting extradition, moogie. If he wasn't fighting tooth and nail to not be sent to the US, this would not be an issue, so look to your own camp for Julian's delay not the gov't

mogel said...

Justice said: "Your co-hort Julian is fighting extradition, moogie."
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And you know that how??????? Or are you guessing as usual.

There is no bad reflection on someone asking for advice or help. Even experts hire experts. Lawyers hire other lawyers to defend themselves. Even Bodyguards hire bodyguards, consultants hire consultants. It is impossible to be an expert in all things in a world of specialization that we live in. Why are you jumping to conclusions that someone lied here?

Even Albert Einstein recognized the fraud of our lending system. Are you suggesting you know more than Albert Einstein, Mr. genius? Maybe Albert Einstein lied too when he talked about the unfairness of the financial system where the lenders made more money than the builders & the architects who did all the work. How is that fair? Are you making fun of Albert Einstein too & calling him a liar too? If you are, doesn't that make you look silly if not arrogant in your quick conclusions? Do you want me to find that quote that Albert Einstein said about the lending system of credit or do you want to give me the benefit of your doubt?

mogel said...

Kurt said: "I know this for certain there is no lawyer who is trained in the faith and none will offer you wise ETERNAL COUNSEL. They have sold out their souls to a system unholy based on the God of mammon. You can bet Christ did not use your lawyer as a mouthpiece though maybe as a test. If He is testing you He is loving you."
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Justice: I think the statement you were referring to above was talking about eternal & spiritual things of faith, unrelated to the trial. Lawyers for the most part have "sold out" to an unholy system which is true.

But to say that a lawyer or even a Judge CAN'T be influenced by the will and purposes of God, is going a bit too far, don't you think?

Robert Locke, & Dorean's old lawyer whom they fired that handled the Civil suits, Thomas Spielbauer & even Paul Mitchell, are three lawyers that have been used by the Dorean Group in the past. Kurt said on the DVD's that they looked into hiring some of the top 10 big law firms in the very beginning, but since they had sole out, there was no interest by them in what Dorean was trying to accomplish, so that wasn't a possibility. Even you should acknowlege that they've hired & considered lawyers in the past, so why do you say that the very use of lawyers goes against everything they have preached? Even evil men can be used.

Lawyers only care about the things of this world, not the eternal perspective & things of God, so on eternal things, it isn't wise to get advise from a lawyer on those things. YOu don't go to an attorney to get medical attention do you? YOu don't seek spiritual answers and the will of God in law books, do you?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Justice: I think the statement you were referring to above was talking about eternal & spiritual things of faith, unrelated to the trial. Lawyers for the most part have "sold out" to an unholy system which is true.

Where is this statement by johnson and yourself validated or johnson guessing and you agreeing?

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
And you know that how??????? Or are you guessing as usual.

Maybe if you would do your own homework, you'd know he's been fighting extradition all along. So no guessing on this end, only facts as you will see in the end.

near the end said...

justice777777; Your not very smart are you.

You have'nt a clue it's a comin be patient!!!!!!!!!!

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel said..."Even Albert Einstein recognized the fraud of our lending system. Are you suggesting you know more than Albert Einstein, Mr. genius? Maybe Albert Einstein lied too when he talked about the unfairness of the financial system where the lenders made more money than the builders & the architects who did all the work."

Yes, Einstein had many wise words. I don't recall the quote you list here, but you're probably just making it up anyway. I DO recall that Einstein said something like the following: "The greatest force in the world is compound interest."

Also, this little gem that is particularly relevant to YOU Mogel: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein

KYHOOYA said...

justice77777777 said...
Trial has now been continued until May 7, 2007.

Apparently, the duo are contmeplating getting an attorney to represent them.
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Hey justice7777777 was'nt the pre- & trial date put off because of the court waiting intill they had jullian back from Pannama and that was in the process because he had exhasted all of his chooses to stop this?

is it true or not that the judge Alsup said that the time clock on the the right for a speedy trial and due process for the two guy's (who by the way are being held w/o bail well that clock get's stopped at the judges flick of a pen)?

Is it not ture that the judge said that the clock was stopped do to the need for the person that were out of the country being brought back to stand trial and were being added to this case aginst the two guy's waiting.

this being the ststment that was made by you and other and the courts bases for stoping the clock on the RIGHTs of these guy that are in jails w/o any chance of bail and who are unable to carry on normal everyday life well all this gets delied longer and longer by the court?

This is the way the system is woorking it and there is no unseen forces that the two guy's have that are at work here to do the thing you say. The stupidity of thinking that the guy's are te one delaing this is what show's you as a fool.

Where is it to the adavantage of the Kurt or Scott to delay for any amount of time. Is there some unseen pay off that I have mist that the two willl get if this is draged out for long time than normal. Is there some unseen legal trick that can't be seem by the court or the rest of us that the guy's are working by pytting off the court date.

It is very clear you have no understanding but the narrow minded thinking you've beeen pogramed to do and think as told to like most as to have any understanding of what it is to be taken and locked up unale to carry out any of you day to day work that keeps you life in order or to not be able to be with any of your family and friends. How the time that has gone on now for 2 YEARS well this system has had these guy's lock up can completey distroy most in one persons life.

The 'TIME GAME' Is the game that is plaied best by the court and the system legal public power to get the end's to a loss loss problem they have .

They lock you up for a time that will make everyone that is involoved forget ablout you and when their done you have no more vioce and you life is turn upside down if you have anything of real property or freinds and family that are in support of you or to goto when your ar elet go it will be very few indeed as this tactic has been used for centries on any who would go up against the PTB or in casses that there is no real legal way of getting the work done that the system want to have happen.


You would have to be so blind as not to see this is what is going on here to thiunk for one second that the two guy are the one at the helm of what stop's or delay's this from going to trial would only show you to be a complete fool and someone that is so far removed from how things really work in the big world today or that you are someone that is so blinded by their own involvment in this in a way that has them exhastivly working with only the eye of one sided thinking and hope that carries through everything they say and d.

The court said they were the ones delaing the 'Time' for te extradition of Jullian and that would be completed in the short term as the fact was he had run out of chooses to stop them from doing this.

This was the whole base and so called legal way the court was stoppingthe Clock on the two guys Right's in this case and for the resone to addd this guy and other's later I'm sure when as soon as they run their course on this one as far as delay's go.

is'nt there some chick up in Canada to ? Will this be the next delay tghe court uses to stop that Clock OF 45 DAY'S IT BEEEN TWO FUCKING YEARS HERE AND YOU WANT US TO BELEIVE THAT IT IS BECAUSE THE of The work Kurt & Scott are doing.

SURE IT IS AND FAIRytails or (fair trials) are real to

It has been two years locked up w/o any hope of bail on a whitecoller crime charge.
They have taken everything that is of any usee to help in the defence by these two guys away they have put them as far apart as they can well still keeping them in the same area jail (no doubt they would ship them across the country if it did'nt look so obvious that their corruption would show doing it)

There are murder trials that have come and gone in the time tha has past on this one.
(I bet there were some who even had their ass out on bail well they waited)

TIME & STATE this use of keeping someone lock away from things is old and very affective when you are looking to break down the grouping of someones power over a large mass of people . When the is know real legal way to get someone to stop what their attempting to do or when a loophold is found that can not be let to happen because the fact's that would sorround it be known by the mass population and were it to be use would cause aa complete fall of the system in place in the banking and finacial world. The System and or PTB step up and use this and in a way that would be hard to find and prove that they are breaking any law as to the RIGHTs of anyone involved .

The effects of keeping this trial from happening are not so important as to the effects of keeping the two away from everything so they can not carry out their intended work is

You see this or you don't it would'nt be an effective means of a working tool for the Gov't to use if it was'nt something that would cause people to be on both side's of the fence . But time if a funny thing after so much of it passes you tend to move on or you have lost so much that you just don't care or that you don't have anything more you can add to it or that the main resone you started with the whole thing is now gone or moved on so what would be the point of watching this or have anything to do with.

You see the longer the time the kess and less there is

1. the larger number of people that were involved in this and growing

Note: when I went to Vagas the one thing as I looked around the room that stood out was this: the promoters never had thought that there were going to be that many ppeople there.

2. when this reach a point where this group was lager enough and was making a dent soon to be a hole in the struckture of the banking system and would at the rate they were going make that hole something that might not be repairable or could cause the colapes of the system of banks and economy problems worol wide they were needing to be stopped.

3 No real legal way of stopping them well then make one up hand let it be worked out in the court (wash) but the main thing is to get these guys off the street and to stop what is turning into a juggernot of effective personal attack on the banks.

Lock them up was the main goal they would work out tyhe details later. sending out of state was just another way to cause the disolving affect of trust and bareak down inth estructure of large amounts of groups that were forming all over the net and country.

I'll say this and end if you can not see the rights of these guys are being abused then your blind and stupid or you don't want to.

If you think for one second that the two have so much effect on the delay and out come here over the court,FBI Banking and all other PTB that have at risk problems with this that you need to go back to scool and learn how the real world works before coming back and so you don't hurt yourself out here .

If you are of the mind to think tha the right to a speedy trial in 45 days can be delauied by two for 2 tears with the wotk that they can preform from jail or anywhere eles you nut's or someone that is part of the system that is here to brake this down and such.



The program was working and would be hard spent for the bank's in the way the law was writen at the time to stop them from doing what is was they were (why there were banks not forclosing and other things at the time)

The groups that were forrming all over the country were massing by the 10 and 20's everyday and that soon there would be no way to stop this from it ending and the colapes of the banking system we have today .

The Gov't saw this as a BIG problem but what could the do to stop it without fueling and a;lready growing population of customers.

You see if on one hand they were to just go in and tell them to stop (whitch they did and the group would'nt do that ) but if they did it with the fest for over useing there power in stuting them down they would or could cause more to get o the side of Dorean .


This was a very touchy problem that was in need of being stopped in a hurry and without hqave the effect of help to make it into huge country waid problem.

how do you go about getting a group to stop it's activity when they don't want to and you acn't bribe or the smaller tactick are not working (like office space IRS taxes anythingthat normaly works .

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THINK ABOUT THESE THING BEFORE YOU TALK JUSTICE AND THEN GIVE A REAL ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS OR GO AWAY AND GET ANOTHER NAME TO POST AS AND COME BACK CAUSE IT WON'T ADD UP TO ANYTHING MORE THAT WHAT I HAVE SAID HERE AND THE TRUTH ABOUT WHY THE TWO ARE LOCKED UP HAVE AHD ALL OF ANY THING THAT COULD BE USED BY THEM AS A MEABNS OF SHOWING THE SYSTEM FOR THE CROOKS THEY ARE AND HOW THE RIGHT ARE BEING TROWN IN THE TRASH AS FOR ANYTHINGTO AROUND THIS CASE.

THERE IS NO BIG CAUSE OOF DELAY DONE BY THE TWO GUYS THE DELAY IS A SYSTEMATIC USE OF A TOOL THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR YEARS WHEN THE PTB HAVE A PROBLEM THEY CAN'T GET TO GO AWAY WITH THE USE OF THERE NORMAL EVREYDAY NOT SO IN YOUR FACE TACTICS I HAVE DISCRIBED HERE (IRS, ANYTHING THAT THE GOV'T CONTROL THAT COULD BE USE IN A WAY THAT COULD MAKE YOUR LIFE UN PLEASENT IF THEY WANT THINK ABOUT HOW MANYTHINGS YOU MAY NOT WANT TO HAVE EXPOSSED AND THAT SHOULD GIVE SOME INSIGHT TO THERE WAY OFGETTING YOU TO DO WHAT THEY WANYT )

THIS HAS BEEN USED FOR EVER AND WILL BE LONG AFTER TODAY .


JUSTICE YOU ONLY HELP TO EROUD THE COUNTRY YOU THINK YOU MAYBE SAVING. IT MAY NOT SEEM THAT WAY TO YOU NOW BUT FAST FORWORD AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN THERE IS NO MORE WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY AND ALL THE POWER REST IN THE FEW . THEN YOU WILL HAVE WHAT IT IS YIOUR SUPPPORT TODAY AS A WAY OF LIFE

EVEN IF OR WHEN YOUI DON'T BELEIVE IN SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE OR GROUP MAY BE DOING IF IN THE PROCESS IF GETTING THAT TO STOP OR WHAT EVER IT MAY BE THAT IS THE YOUR GOAL IF IN SO DOING YOU FIND THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF RIGHTS YOU HAVE TO OVER STEP TO GET THIS DONE . iT IS AT THAT POINT YOU WILL HAVE CAUSED MORE DAMAGE TO THE VERYTHING YOU MAY HOLDDEAR TO WHY YOUR FIGHTING IT.

THAT'S THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO BE BLIND NOT TO SEE THETHING THAT I HAVE SAID HERE IF YOU NEED TO HAVE IT CONDENCED HAVE SOMEONE READ IT TO YOU TOUNDERSTAND IT BUT YOU SHOULD FIND WHAT EVER YOU NEED TO TO JUST THAT UNDERSTAND IT.

KYHOOYA said...

ANSWER ME THIS


HOW DO YOU STOP A DISTRUCTIVE FORCE OF SOMETHING OR SOMEONE WHO HAVE BEEN BUILT UP AND SUPPORT IS GROWING BY THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE?


HOW DO YOU GET THE MESSES TO STOP LISSENING TO SOMEONE OR THING WHEN THEY ARE NOT OF THE MIND TO DO SO OR ARE IN SOMEWAYS BENIFITED B Y ITS DOING?

IF BY THREAT OR MENIPULATION YOU ARE UNABLE TO CONVINCE SOMEONE OR GROUP TO DO WHAT YOU WANT OF THEM HOW DO GET THEM TO STILL COME TO THE SAME END'S OF A MEANS OR DO WHAT YOU WANTED ANY WAY?

IF BY FORCE OR TREAT OF AND WHEN ALL OTHER FORMS OF PERSWATION HAVE BEEN EXHASTED DO GET YOU GOAL TO BE MET AND THER BY HAVE THE O.K. OF THE MASSES?


i NEED NOT A WAR OR WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION TO HAVE ONE DO MY WILL IN FACT FOR THE MASSES TO COME RALLY ROUND AND GIVE ME PRASE FOR MY BEING, LEAVE THE ARMYS WHERE THEY BE PUT AWAY YE' GUN'S AND KNIVES AS i WILL SHOW YOU TODAY THE ONLY THING ONE EVER NEEDS TO CAUSE THE MANY TO SUPORT HIS WAY'S AND TO DO SO WITH LIGHT HEART AND FORTHGIVING OF LABOR TEN FOLD WILLINGLY . kNOW i NEED NOY YOUR WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION TO CARRY OUT THIS NOR DO i NEED ANY THING BUT THE POWER CONTAINED WITHIN THIS..............?


dO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT BE IN REVERANCE TO ???


tHESE WORDS i SPEAK FALL ON DEAFT EARS WHERE ARE THESE MEN WHO HAD HEART FULL AND MIND SHARP DO THEY NO LONGER EXIST?
aM i AWASH IN A SEA OF COUNTRYMEN WHO RATHER FIND THEIR MINDS MADE UP FOR THEM AS THEY WOULD THERE BED BY SERVENT? wHERE AS THOSE I SEEN WHO STOOD STRONG AT WILL AND BENDED NOT FOR ANY WHO MIGHT HAVE THE`Y SERPENTS TONGE AND WITH IT BRING WORDS OF COMPLACENCE TO THE MINDS OF MEN WHO COULD'NT SEE WHAT IT FOR WHAT END IT BROUGHT .




If you have a hard time seeing what it is that is being plaied out here then I woould have you look back in time to other Power and countries ans see what has been used by many a KING, or other higharcky throughout the past that keep them or not in that power and also there needed will over the people in tact.....it should not be hard for you to do the math about how power keep it place amounfg the people and when it is put up to test it has a very easy time of convincing the many just how right it is and how wrong ant whom oppose them are .


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Don't be a lemming for a change and in that way you might just find that weapon more powerful thanany other .

mogel said...

Here is a victory in the lower court of someone who fought her lender/bank:

Bank One National Association v. Robert E. Ward
Case No. 2001-31518 CICI. File date 7-25-2001. Disposition date: 12-30-2002. Judge Venue: 31-John W. Watson III. Court: City Island Courthouse. Clerk of the 7th Judicial Cirucit Court for Volusia County, Florida (Civil Division). See:

http://www.clerk.org/index.html

Bank’s foreclosure dismissed and bill of exchange given to lender and accepted by Judge as payment for obligation of the mortgage. Bank lost. Bank accused of fraud in the proceedings also. Transcripts from this very unusual Court Case:

Re: Processing of Bill of Exchange (BA-Time Draft)

“This negotiable instrument is presented under authority of Public Law 73-10 UCC 3-104 (c) Spencer v. Sterling Bank, 63 Cal Ap. 4th 1055 (1998); Guaranty Trust Co. of New York v. Henwood et al, 59 S. Ct. 847 and Witkin Negotiable instruments, Vol. 3 (2001 Supplement) on the undersigned’s UCC Contract Trust Account. This was not a Treasury/Bank Account.

“The obligation of the Drawee (acceptor) Secretary of the Treasury, through the bailee (authorized agent) of Claimants financial institution hereof arises out of the want of consideration for the pledge and by the redemption of the pledge under public Resolution HUR-192, now Public Law 73-10 and 59 S. Ct. 847 (FN3), represented by the attached claim Accepted for Value and bearing the account number # 0432225159.”

“The Claimants financial institution is to accept this bill, sign and present directly via certified or Registered mail, Return Receipt to the Secretary of the Treasury-Dept. of the Treasury.”

Dialogue Between the Plaintiff’s attorney, Judge, and Defendant (Feb. 6, 2002)

Ms. Post: May I ask a question
The Court: Sure
Ms. Post: Specifically, what is a bill of exchange?
Ms. Fugate: Okay.
Ms. Post: Because I have a feeling my client will not know what this is in order.....
The Court: THEY’RE IN THE BUSINESS. It’s a bank instrument.
Ms. Fugate: It’s an instrument to pay through a treasury account
Ms. Post: Okay
Ms. Fugate: If you read the instructions that come with that, it tells you exactly how to receive the funds from the Treasury Department, the US Treasury Dept.
Ms. Post: Okay
Ms. Fugate: According to the Florida Statute 672.304 price payable in money, good, realty or otherwise, and I chose otherwise, which was a bill of exchange. And there is a large amount of case law supporting the facts that notes and bill of exchange are the same as money and checks.”
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Great to be Moi: I'm still looking for the quote by Albert Einstein, I read it recently somewhere, but can't remember exactly where, but here's one similiar. Maybe you know a better expert than the Secretary of the British Treasury that wants to contradict his testimony?


“Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing” ---Ralph M. Hawtrey, Secretary of the British Treasury