Friday, November 30, 2007

The Trial Aftermath

The trial was a complete success. I didn't want to have it because it was irrelevant to how I plan to settle this case. It became necessary when Judge Alsup and I jousted for superiority at commerce after I asked the jury to enter a guilty verdict. I was forced into the trial by the necessity of prevailing in control. Now I preferred the guilty verdict in the spirit for more reasons than I can inform you of. In the flesh I am a man that wanted to get home to my wife and to end the suffering. An acquittal was a temporary relief to my flesh but at the expense of too much victory to really desire it. If I had gotten it though some of the clients would be in the position of our critics making a boast I would have been crying about how much effort and years it will take me to band-aid this shallow victory into what I desire for you clients. Now the victory is set at the mark necessary and substantive. The jury can never be your hope and if you fall into that lie you are through already.

The trial we had was great and we did a fantastic job. When the transcripts become available most of you will see that we overwhelmed the prosecution. I know they are grandstanding now but a circus chimp could have won that trial with the help received from the bench. Alsup was a pro about his business of putting down Dorean an important personal goal for him. The one thing he didn't count on is us knowing the subject matter better than even him. He would say things like never in the history of the universe can you come up with such a conclusion. In his little universe which has no economic reality within it I can see his problem but I don't live there. What clinched the conviction was his jury instructions and I think the most problematic one was posted on here. With that instruction every jury but total dolts would be forced to come back with a guilty verdict. I thank the judge even though I had to object for strategic reasons for being the man I expected him to be. I could not come to the victory intended without him being himself. Prosecutors are also predictable. They didn't understand the subject matter and because of that made fatal errors in their victory. I can't disclose these yet but will after I have informed them strategically. Let them sip their champagne for awhile until they have to swallow their mistakes. Now back to the trial. The focus was on clients more than banks. Banks were left out completely from any relevant stand point. No banker came within a 100 miles of this trial or the witness stand. Nothing but document custodians appeared. There was one from Farmer's State Bank in Montana that really represented the substance of them all. She didn't know the difference between a maker and a holder. This is the party explaining to you your rights in the mortgage contract. Most of you are smarter than these people and yet like lemmings you'll listen to them. We even had a Vice President of 23 years say his bank shreds the original promissory note. 23 years and he is stupid enough to think he doesn't shred his interest with the shredding of the note. Walker Todd was the smartest guy there and probably the only relevant witness. He took the party line which I don't blame him for. Dr. Bates came with much appreciation but was kept in a box procedurally that minimized his effectiveness. If it wasn't for the jury instructions I think we would have won the trial hands down. The criminal intent element that had to be proved was coddled very easily when the jury was told that all the actions, paperwork, and law relied upon is criminal. Soon you guys are going to thank me for my willingness to forge past all the flatulence of these blowhards.

Now the contempt charges were dropped and perhaps I was too eager to point out their error before it went to jury because I'm certain they would have found me guilty of those charges also. I made the mistake of telling them they didn't prove contempt but the judge said denied, going to jury. Then again I said in his jury instruction that he was mentioning evidence that had not been admitted. Well I guess that was enough and the prosecution dismissed with prejudice the next day. That just goes to show you how prejudiced this judge is. In fact I think his middle name might just be "denied." Really I don't have contempt for him as a jurist. I actually think of him as rather smart. It is his criminal heart I have contempt for. He uses all his cleverness for evil. I can't respect a man that doesn't respect himself. He sells himself cheap to the whores of this world. Nothing he could do to me would change my opinion. Only making the change of accepting the offer of Christ "follow Me" could make a change to a respectable man. The trial lasted 15 days which was plenty to perfect the record. 12 days for the prosecution and 3 for defense. There were a few witnesses at various stages and most will tell you that we far out performed the prosecution. I say this in that you people fear mere shadows. Mr. Hall is one of the best in San Francisco and we know Alsup is the mechanic of the Northern District, and yet they can be beaten. I know these words appear delusional by one convicted but I have never been delusional and I have a psyche test from many degreed professionals to say otherwise. Why then would I say these words? This is something only the studied and the faithful can know the answer to.

To the rest of you confusion is my gift to you. We have to get ready for the sentencing and for appeals all by March 18th. This is our last date and was moved out because of the complexity of our case. All four of us will be there that day and I'm suspecting an important spiritual significance to this though I don't know all the reasons why this is important yet. I will keep the Blogs going though they will not be as frequent. I have a few deadlines to meet and only Scott and I to do the work. Mostly, I will encourage you to see what can't be seen and to know what will be in the bewilderment of circumstance. I can tell you I have never been more certain of my joy and expectation of victory. Not just any victory but the one I've imagined for over 3 years now. I have by God's help overcome mountain ranges I had not seen. Some taller and more steep than I thought possible, and yet my trek continues to peace, and goodness. In the end it will be sweeter than honey.

65 comments:

Judge Roy Bean said...

"The trial we had was great and we did a fantastic job. When the transcripts become available most of you will see that we overwhelmed the prosecution."

Sure.

You've still got 'em right where you want 'em.

"If it wasn't for the jury instructions I think we would have won the trial hands down."

Dang it - there's that pesky law thingy again (the real ones, not your fantasy world nonsense)getting in the way.

LOL!

mogel007 said...

Kurt said: "We even had a Vice President of 23 years say his bank shreds the original promissory note."
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So is he a liar or just an idiot? I can't tell which.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean said: "Dang it - there's that pesky law thingy again (the real ones, not your fantasy world nonsense)getting in the way."
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Problem is that the instructions to the Jury WASN'T THE LAW.

Defective Sherlock Homeless said...

Looks like Defective Homeless has Detected that a certain country doesnt have "nyoocyoolar" weapons after all.

Shoot. And we were just ready to boom them to the next planet too.

How about Venezoola. Maybe they have some nooks?

Bonded By Surety said...

its called the game of commerce....
when Kurt and Scot walk all of you scoffers will be wondering what happened....and you will most likely never learn...what has happened....
CUSSIP.... number...
settling the account that the court-bench...
latin...BANK....bench one in the same..that the court is creating with your BC account and nom de guerre....when you are sentenced..you have an opportunity to speak to the court...if you dont know about the account that is creating a liability against your nom de guerre...and you have not objected to the assumption that you,,, flesh and blood and nom de guerre are one in the same...
and by your silence you have acquiesced....
by settling the account there is no obligation...
no bond will be sold or traded in your name...
no time will be served...other than the time already served....Ive heard of numerous persons walking by using various techniques...and have personally witnessed three.....if you care to learn a bit from a qualified source hit this link...

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co-beneficiaries..you make them liable for the obligation...if they think your offer is bogus...you have them...the US treasury and or IRS will step in to satisfy the account that was reported but not turned in...they will liquidate the bonds of the officials...judge..lawyer..clerk... police officer...etc.
they are guilty of a felony...theft of public funds..
clear cut case..signed sealed delivered....

The boys will walk....

scoff all you want

the boys will walk.

neodemes said...

The operation was a complete success. Unfortunately, though, the patient died.

"I asked the jury to enter a guilty verdict"..."With that instruction every jury but total dolts would be forced to come back with a guilty verdict."

Yeap. Pretty much.

Good job!

neodemes said...

"the boys will walk"

Yeap, in the yard, each day, for a long, long time.

mogel007 said...

"The trial lasted 15 days which was plenty to perfect the record. 12 days for the prosecution and 3 for defense."
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This is evidence that this alone didn't given EQUAL TIME FOR THE DEFENSE, thus showing the Judge's & Courts desire to control and prejudice the Jury to come to a guilty verdict on all counts, except the contempt of court.

Course it would have been better for the Defense if the prosecution didn't drop the contempt of court & was convicted of that also. That would have been more evidence that the Judge had a selective hearing problem and an evil and unfair agenda. Since there WAS no evidence presented of contempt of court, the Judge should have thrown this charge out, rather than suggesting that this count will be considered by the Jury too. I guess the prosecution team saved the Judge on that one, but still it doesn't erase the Judge's apparent prejudice AND CRIMINAL INTENT. Referring to Jury instructions & to be legally proper and fair: The Judge should have instructed the Jury that they CAN'T CONSIDER THE CONTEMPT OF COURT CHARGE SINCE NO EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED BY THE PROSECUTION. Oh well, I'm sure Kurt will point out all of the Judge's mistakes & in the end there will be so much egg on Judge Alsup's face, that his nickname might be called "Egg face" sometime in the future.

Course filing all of those bank fraud charges JUST TO DROP THEM LATER BEFORE THE TRIAL, SHOWS HOW INEPT THE PROSECUTION TEAM WAS ANYWAY, IF IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT THEY WERE PURPOSELY FILING FALSE CHARGES TO INTIMIDATE, HARRASS & INJURE THE DEFENDANTS WRONGFULLY AND WITH MALICE.

Bonded By Surety said...

No....Neo dah....

they will walk free to go where ever they want..
just as free as a bird to fly whereever it wishes...

mogel007 said...

Kurt said: "All FOUR OF US will be there that day and I'm suspecting an important spiritual significance to this.
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What about the other 2 Defendants, are they on a paid vacation at that time that doesn't allow them to attend?

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mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "The operation was a complete success. Unfortunately, though, the patient died."
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That's not even a good metaphor!

The appeal is alive and the Defendants are all alive, not to mention the smell and visualization of victory is MORE ALIVE THAN EVER.

Defective Sherlock Homeless said...

Move to the philosophy, and we find Carl Jung's concept of synchronicity.

Where just as someone is talking about something, it manifests in in real life present moment.

To Jung, this was similar to the concept which Plato gets to in the Allegory of the Cave, where a man, held in chains inside a cave, is shown only shadows cast on the cave wall in front of him, by a fire behind him which he cannot see. The wall of the cave is outward reality and those tiny things behind the man which cast outward shadows are the archetypes.











So now then, according to Jung, you all just focus on that your mortgage is GONE.....and before you know it....

POOF! ITS GONE!

Reality Manifests.

mogel007 said...

Judge Bean says: "Dang it - there's that pesky law thingy again (the real ones, not your fantasy world nonsense)getting in the way."
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How about your fantasy world and NONSENSE that there will be MORE DEFENDANTS down the road, more prosecutions & more court in the future due to other people's participation or selling the Dorean product?

Course how does that fantasy gel with & be congruent with your other viewpoint of "judicial economy" where court starts once all Defendants can be tried and apprised of their rights all at once to save the time in Court? Or maybe you don't believe in the principal of "judicial economy" anymore & never did, & just pretend to be a Judge? Many of your cronies did; that's a fact.

Course you wouldn't want to waste the taxpayers money anymore than is necessary, and of course the courts are interested in that too, aren't they? So the fact that the Courts didn't try everyone at once that "participated in this scam" is a little hypocritical, isn't it, in the very least?

You have been a big mouth in listing major brokers & dorean agents in your postings and saying that their day in court is inevitable; that's for sure, so why hasn't that happened yet in the interest of "judicial economy" principles?

Or maybe your ramblings are just that, blowhard "hot air".

Dr. Caligari said...

It was only a few months ago that Kurt assured us that there would never be a trial.

Why do people continue to believe anything he says?

JDJD said...

WOW!

The word Delusional cerainly suggests itself upon reading Kurt The Great's pronouncements of victory, but seems somehow . . . grossly insufficient.

JDJD said...

Make that "certainly".
Even Homer nods, boys.

near the end said...

I said long ago it's a comein.
Wonder why Kurt and Scott
requested to wear there prison clothes? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

mogel007 said...

Doctor said: "It was only a few months ago that Kurt assured us that there would never be a trial.

Why do people continue to believe anything he says?"
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I don't think Kurt would ever ASSURE the likes of you. You were already convinced the process was a fraud, & of no significance, so there's no need for assuring someone like you.

So if someone is mistaken, than they aren't ever deserving of trust EVER AGAIN? I guess that stament of yours ALONE shows your standards & WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU REALLY ARE.

True Christians are suppose to forgive mistakes, 70 TIMES 7, not to totally give up on them as a person & COMPLETELY withhold trust. What kind of society would your type of mentality create?

Have you ever made a judgment in error? If you have, why do your friends continue to believe anything you say?

Scott from Vineland said...

kurt said...
To the rest of you confusion is my gift to you.
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Yes, I certainly received the fullness of that gift, Kurt.

Thanks?

mogel007 said...

Nemo quotes: "the boys will walk"

Yeap, in the yard, each day, for a long, long time.
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Nemo: I think Nancy Sinatra's video and song is applicable for you:

"These boots are made FOR WALKING, and that's just what they'll do...
One of these days, these boots are gonna, WALK ALL OVER YOU......

That's when the victory dance happens though when they'll be alot of kicking & WALKING, dancing, and drinking, whooping & hollering.

Here's a little hint: Watch out for large size shoes with heels.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
"The trial lasted 15 days which was plenty to perfect the record. 12 days for the prosecution and 3 for defense."
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This is evidence that this alone didn't given EQUAL TIME FOR THE DEFENSE, thus showing the Judge's & Courts desire to control and prejudice the Jury to come to a guilty verdict on all counts, except the contempt of court.
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So you think the COURT limited the amount of time the defense could take to present it's case, moogs? Surely you're spin-doctoring here... even YOU are smart enough to know that the defense only took 3 days because that's all the case they were able to put on.

Scott from Vineland said...

Bonded By Surety said...
a lot of stuff that sounded quite like dr fred might say right about now.

mogel007 said...

Scott: Yes, I certainly received the fullness of that gift, Kurt.

Thanks?
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I believe you have already received that gift of confusion already:

II Thessalonians 2: 10-12
Mathewe 13: 15
Isaiah 6: 9-12

Defective Sherlock Homeless said...

Has anyone seen Watson lately?

He must be homeless too....

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland said: "the defense only took 3 days because that's all the case they were able to put on."
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What was presented in the Court record says otherwise.

mogel007 said...

Has anyone seen Watson lately?

He must be homeless too....
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ELEMENTARY, my dear Sherlook, ELEMENTARY.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
Mathewe 13: 15
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???
Don't know this one... Book of Mormon?

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
Scott from Vineland said: "the defense only took 3 days because that's all the case they were able to put on."
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What was presented in the Court record says otherwise.

2:39 PM

You have access to this court record? Why not share with the rest of us? I would be interested in seeing the basis for your statement.

mogel007 said...

Matthew 13:15 (The gift of confusion)
"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and shold be converted, and I should heal them."

neodemes said...

"Here's a little hint: Watch out for large size shoes with heels."
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yikes. Moogie in drag...too much imagery.

neodemes said...

mogel007 said...

Doctor said: "It was only a few months ago that Kurt assured us that there would never be a trial.

Why do people continue to believe anything he says?"
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I don't think Kurt would ever ASSURE the likes of you. You were already convinced the process was a fraud, & of no significance, so there's no need for assuring someone like you.

So if someone is mistaken, than they aren't ever deserving of trust EVER AGAIN? I guess that stament of yours ALONE shows your standards & WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU REALLY ARE.

True Christians are suppose to forgive mistakes, 70 TIMES 7, not to totally give up on them as a person & COMPLETELY withhold trust. What kind of society would your type of mentality create?

Have you ever made a judgment in error? If you have, why do your friends continue to believe anything you say?

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When the errors come in the form of claims of Prophesy from God, we then know with whom we are dealing.

You should know about false prophets, moogie. You apparently seek them out to fall at their feet.

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland:

Were the (1) "Letters rogatory, offer of stipulations, offer of settlement, affidavit in support" discussed, and debated in the trial & the subjects of "victim", "lender", "money",
"mens rea", "loan contract", exemptions/settlement" also discussed and debated in depth in the trial and all of those facts given to the Jury to consider in those 3 days given?

Were the (2) Freedom of Information Act/Privacy Act requests by the Defendants fully disclosed, and answered to Defendants satisfaction as required by law.

Were the (3) Conditional Acceptance of Government's motion of limine EVEN CONSIDERED & DISCUSSED in those 3 days?

Was a (4) Application for a private investor for the Defendants granted by Judge Alup?
How many orders DENYING RELIEF for the Defendants by Judge Alsup have you fully read, counted and considered?

Did the prosecution rebut ANY of the affidavits the Defendants prepared & put in the Court record?
Have you read all of them?

Was the (5) Dorean Business plan that was filed by the Dorean Group in Court, ever fully discussed & used in determining the "mens rea" or "intent" or mental state of the Defendants & why they started the Dorean Group & their reasonable basis for doing so. Were any of those legal principles in their business plan, presented and considered by Judge Alsup or the Jury as to the subjects of "Ageny", "duties of agents", and "Agency creation" ever considered as law or reasons of justification for the documents that the Dorean Group signed & recorded for their clients?

Was the (6) Notice of Dishonor AND NOTARY PROTEST PERFECTED ON the prosecution team, EVER DISCUSSED IN COURT OR GIVEN TO THE JURY TO CONSIDER to make the trial a nullity.

Did the Court accept (7) the Plea agreement that Kurt & Scott entered into in good faith many times?

Did Judge Alsup's Court (8) Deny the settlement the Dorean Group offered in good faith?

Did Judge Alup interfere in the
(9) subponenas to the various lenders in order to provide facts & necessary expert witness & testimony?

Was the (10) Notice of the settlement of this case through the resources of a general mortgage bail out ignored?

Was the (11) Order of Dismissal of the case requested by the Defendants denied with good reason & good law by Judge Alsup?

Were there any (12) expert witnesses that testified to the relevant issues in question in this trial that supported the prosecutions claims?

I'm sure there are many other points other than these just few I mentioned, that form a basis to nullify the guilty verdict by the Jury.

Herein these points show that the trial was not about learning all of the facts and truth, or giving these facts to the Jury to consider, so the kangaroo court and fantasy land of Judge Alsup and the ignorant jury conclusion of guilty on all counts, won't stand or last very long because the evidence in the court record says otherwise.

When you prejudice a Jury of the real facts, THIS IS CALLED FRAUD & Judge Alsup participated in a fraud of concealing the FACTS. This is best evidenced by his instructions to the Jury. That makes him a criminal that needs to be put behind bars & prosecuted for his self interests & evil behaviour to win by cheating & concealing the real facts.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "When the errors come in the form of claims of Prophesy from God, we then know with whom we are dealing."
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How do you know that there would be no trial, was a prophecy as opposed to a sincerely held belief?

Would be interested in hearing your proof to back up your point beyond any reasonable doubt.

neodemes said...

moogie sez:

How do you know that there would be no trial, was a prophecy as opposed to a sincerely held belief?

Would be interested in hearing your proof to back up your point beyond any reasonable doubt.
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Kurt prophesied:

An old man approached us out of the forest with a large staff in his hand. He said his name was Samuel. I said "Samuel from the Bible, David's counselor?" "Yes that would be me" he replied. Why is such a great man sent to us? He said "actually the honor is mine. We have all been hearing God brag upon your trust of Him and the great battles you were prevailing in. God was concerned about your fatigue in the suffering and asked for a volunteer to come and strengthen you for the finish. It came down to David and I but David thought I should come. I was delighted. As I examined your record I can say I have not seen such courage since David and such love since David and Abigail. I have seen the forces arrayed against you and you have no idea how powerful you are in Christ. All hell is being rattled by your faith. I was told to lay hands upon you and prophecy. As you have figured out the prophecy over you and Dana has been fulfilled by your combined faith. Dana was merely a surrogate, a stand-in until God could arrange for your unity. Within 90 days your enemies will fail and you will come out to the fulfillment of all that was spoken. Be aware that your enemy will try very hard at the end to avoid your victory and your suffering will increase but continue to trust and your joy will be made full. You were right they will not bring you to trial for it had been decreed differently in heaven. Your provision will remain at just enough but will not be lack. Now kneel before me and I will anoint you and prophecy."

You have a little wiggle room, here, moogs. He use a proxy prophet.

It still amounts to the same pile of drivel.

mogel007 said...

I ADMIT it's kind of confusing, understanding everything in it's proper and real context, but the words, "You were right they will not bring you to trial for it had been decreed differently in heaven" were said BEFORE ANY PROPHECY TOOK PLACE as indicated later: "Now kneel before me and I will anoint you AND PROPHECY."

Course than again, it could be some sort of "open ended metaphor" being discussed only & NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AS TRUTH FROM GOD. Scott from Vineland, would know for sure, since he's the expert in that area about the "open ended stuff".

Kind of makes one think that sincerely held beliefs were just stated in an "open ended metaphor", BEFORE ANY REAL PROPHECY was given.

The story could be nothing more than a good short story & nothing more.

mogel007 said...

"Within 90 days your enemies will fail and you will come out to the fulfillment of all that was spoken."
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Within that 90 day period of time, the Dorean Group indeed did perfect their dishonor & default in the court record of the prosecution by the prosecutions default of not answering their notary protest, so I find that statement to be true.

The trial should not have taken place after that, but it did anyway.

The trial verdict by the Jury therefore is moot and a nullity. Victory was had before the Jury spoke.

mogel007 said...

Nemo: I think a reasonable DOUBT is not your little friend here. There is too much doubt in determining whether this short story was to be taken literally as a propehcy.

Maybe using a proxy prophet is a little tacky if intended to be used as a prophecy, but if intended to be used just as a short story to just express feelings and sincerely held beliefs, well, it becomes something totally different.

JDJD said...

Moogs:
A story, sure enough.
Short? Not so much.
Good? 'Fraid not.

Better luck next time.

JDJD said...

Did the thought ever occur to any of you Dorean Groupies that maybe, just maybe, Kurt might not be as bright as he thinks he is?
Just wondering.

mogel007 said...

Nemo: You don't think Kurt's OTHER PARABLES & short stories he posted on this blog were all intended by Kurt to be prophecies too, do you?

Were the parables of Jesus to be taken literally as real life events or prophecies that happened in all cases? For example the parable of the "Good Samaritan", was that a prophecy or real event that happened in Jesus's time or just another good short story to teach something? What say you?

mogel007 said...

Jd: Did the thought ever occur to any of you Dorean Groupies that maybe, just maybe, Kurt might not be as bright as he thinks he is?
Just wondering.
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I'm sure the thought crossed your mind & you answered your own question based upon your own ignorance. That much I feel certain.

I'm sure you are right about the "short story" part though. Based upon your attention span, I'm sure that isn't considered a "short story" from your paradigm.

JDJD said...

Doesn't really answer my question, does it Moogs. I guess I can take that as a "no". Perhaps you should consider it.

Defective Sherlock Homeless said...

Something weird going on when only today for the first time on 3 different news channels, they are reporting on how homeowners with mortgages should beware of certain "schemes" whereby the homeowners is asked to put their house in a "trust."

The report went on to say that in 1 1/2 to 2 years, the "shceme" will take your house out of the trust and it will be paid for.

Curiously, they said that over 1800 of these were performed in 2007 according the FBI.

However, even more curious was that none of the mortgage "schemes" as they called them were mentioned by name.

Very odd that this is getting reported now?

neodemes said...

Kurt sayeth:

"God has taken note and will demand accountability. Not on the wicked men get wrath and good men mercy scale but God moving men and nations through history to hit marks of destiny as performance on His word. There is a spiritual maturity rising in Scott and I, an environment ripe for change, a need for fatherhood with power and victory, and prophetic intuition pointing toward a settlement. Many times you will find that the actions of this world model what has already transpired in the heavens. An example is that the spiritual Prince of Persia was defeated before the kings of Persia were. Likewise I see the settlement conferences we are having as a delayed exposure to the settlement conference that have already happened in the heavens. The trial will never happen on earth because it has already happened in the heavens."

Oops.

mogel007 said...

"MANY TIMES you will find that the ACTIONS OF THIS WORLD MODEL what has already transpired in the heavens."

"The trial will NEVER HAPPEN on earth because it has ALREADY HAPPENED in the heavens."
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Nemo: Would you agree both statements MIGHT BE considered inconsistent with each other?

So a mistake was made! We all make mistakes & FALL TO HUMAN ERROR. EVEN PROPHETS WITH A SPECIFIC MISSION ARE HUMAN. Prophets don't prophesy 24 hours a day, nonstop.

I don't think inconsistent statements qualify as a prophecy, do you?

You need to do better than that Nemo.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "Kurt sayeth" as opposed to "THE LORD SAYETH".

You understand the difference!

You need to understand Nemo that NEITHER of the Dorean Principles believed EVER from even the beginning of the formation of the Dorean Group that a criminal trial would ever take place for many reasons. One big reason is that they believed FOREMOST THAT they weren't doing anything criminal.

It was believed having a criminal trial against them was like opening up "Pandoras Box"; maybe Pandoras Box was in fact opened & most just don't know it yet!!!

It was believed to be a risk too great to take because it would expose the weaknesses of the lending industry. MAYBE THE REALITY IS THAT IT IS & WAS AND ALWAYS WAS TOO BIG OF A RISK TO TAKE FOR THE PROSECUTION & BANKS, despite the outcome of the trial of the guilty verdict towards the Defendants.

The "no criminal trial" was a personal belief that was strongly held & that belief never changed until the REALITY OF A TRIAL TAKING PLACE, changed Kurt & Scott's viewpoint.

If "victory is disguised as defeat," then, I still don't see what the big deal is.

Joseph was imprisoned just to become later the 2nd most powerful man in Egypt, next to the Pharoah himself. Did Joseph of old, get discouraged because he was thrown into jail & CHARGED UNJUSTLY with rape? Did he question God's plan of events or did he embrace them & seek the Lord's will & keep a great positive attitude for the final outcome?

Like Kurt & Scott or not, or agree with them or not, there are some similiarities between the two stories, and both stories have a happy ending.

Defective Sherlock Homeless said...

Hey Lightswitch,

here is one for you.

http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=SMuqjLQmc4Q


!WARNING! DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!

neodemes said...

"Pandoras Box"

When all else fails, pull out the mythology.

Somehow, it's suitable.

Hey, let me know when Kurt gets crowned.

JDJD said...

Neo:

Probably be about his second week in prison, after he tries to tell all those big lifers how much smarter than them he is.

shocker said...

someone who frequents this blog has given up their United States citizenship. it is not kurt scott or dr fred either.

mogel007 said...

In 50 pages on different subjects, Kurt entitled some of his latest thoughts and spiritual lessons learned in life into a desertation entitled: "Faith, hope, and love, are they material in a material world". I believe this 50 page essay may have also been sent to Judge Alsup to help him re-examine his "walk in faith".

In the postscript, of Kurt's words we read:

"The sides are poised to go to a trial that I SUSPECT in my spirit will not come to pass because of a word given to my partner Scott from Psalms 21:11 that they WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PERFORM THEIR EVIL UPON US." Now in the the eyes of this world I can see nothing stopping them from this evil plan."

Nemo, even assuming Kurt to have prophesying ability, a prophet certainly doesn't begin a prophecy by saying, words like "I SUSPECT" & then expect someone to believe he is in the prophecying mode on the given subject he is talking about.

I think these 50 pages would have been real helpful for the Jury to determine the state of mind of Kurt and get into his heart a little better to understand his spiritual and religious views & kind of understand him a little better on "what makes him tick" so to speak or the things that motivate his heart and personality.

neodemes said...

I'll tell you what, moogie.

When this prophecy comes true, feel free to say 'you told me so'

Don't get all literal regarding the wording of the sentencing, though, OK? We need a better showing than that.

"I am currently working on a prophetic statement to file upon the record. What offends me most about these spiritual reprobates who spend their whole life denying their future of irreverence towards the Lord can so easily prophecy to me I'm going to get life. Having gone now through just about every jackass they can throw at me and hearing the same hellish retort I asked the Lord to give me the true words of a prophet against them. To me only one brave enough to surrender his life to the living God can truly know the future. Not because he has the ability but because he has the relationship with truth. Fortune tellers have the assistance of the devils who can report on what appears as future events but is really their ability to manipulate lives that creates the results broadcast. God is the future. Whatever He says comes to pass and He can even use the devils and their manipulation. At the time of this writing it is only partially completed, but by this posting I want you to look for it. It will be in the hands of witnesses to confirm it has been filed. I think a time and date stamped prophecy will be an added witness that God has always been in charge of these events and fools are never to be believed. I'm not going to get life and you're not going to get ripped off. I'm going to give life and you're going to get blessed. I say it in advance because I have superior will of which I'm tethered taking me and you to the future."

mogel007 said...

This about sums up the worth or legitimatcy of the criminal trial:

"Scott and I WILL ACCEPT THE OFFER no matter the amount of time and no matter the crimes confessed to BECAUSE THE FACTS DON'T MATTER."

mogel007 said...

"God has always been in charge of these events and fools are never to be believed. I'm not going to get life and you're not going to get ripped off. I'm going to give life and you're going to get blessed."

When this is fulfilled completely, I would think at that point, an explanation wouldn't be necessary.

An explanation is ONLY necessary when all the facts are not in & there is still a need for debate for whatever reasons. As far as the wording is concerned of literal, prophetic, or not, that too would not be necessary once this event happens & is accepted as a fact. The best things in life don't need an explanation. They just are and are accepted for what they are!!!!

Nemo, as far as a need to say, "I told you so", may not be necessary either; I don't really know, because I'm not sure how I'll completely feel at that point. Maybe at that point, I could possibly exhibit some true pity, like Scott from Vineland has shown. I doubt it, but anything's possible you know.

mogel007 said...

"At sentencing we will not accept being a surety or accommodation for the defendant which is a commercial vessel at law. If our theories prevail, the commercial paper created by the commercial banks we call courts, cannot be sold without the accord of the parties. This leaves the court only one procedural option to DISMISS THE CASE."

mogel007 said...

Kurt again says: "On August 9, 2007, some interesting news was stated over the radio that increased my spiritual intuition that I am right in the perfect will of God. George Bush had in impromptu press conference to address the trouble in the financial markets caused by the three mortgage related hedge funds filing bankruptcy. He declared that GREATER TRANSPARENCY needs to happen in the real estate transaction. Now that is funny to me under my circumstance of being railroaded into prison by his government for exposing the ultimate fraud behind th entire market being the government's responsibility. Second I heard that the US Marshall's service under the Department of Justice oversight has initiated a program of working with local churches to have fugitives turn themselves in at the church. This is an absolute crime and evil of this modern church. It is the blind leading the blind and causes me to suspect one as myself who has the knowledge to prove this a crime will be an active voice opposing this spiritual fraud. The witness of having suffered under the hands of these criminals being the authentication of my testimony."

notorial dissent said...

And now another exciting edition of the Bilge Report wherein Kurt doth billow and spew and Moogey tries to lap up afterwards.

Kurt bloviates I didn't want to have it because it was irrelevant to how I plan to settle this case.
I would say that the guilty verdict was pretty relevant to what is going to happen. The only thing you are going to settle is whether it will be top of bottom bunk.

Kurt bloviates Now I preferred the guilty verdict in the spirit for more reasons than I can inform you of.
Sure you did Kurt, just like this was all never going to come to trial, one more fantasy down the tubes.

Kurt bloviates The trial we had was great and we did a fantastic job.
Right, such a good job that it only took the jury six hours to put you away for the rest of your life.

Kurt bloviates The one thing he didn't count on is us knowing the subject matter better than even him.
Right, you know so much more than he does that you are going away for the rest of your miserable lives.

The jury instructions were based on law and case law and all your nonsense can’t make it be otherwise.

That’s it Kurt, keep your little fantasies going like you are magically going to find someway out of the guilty verdict and it is all going to go away, but it isn’t, you are going to go away for a very very long time.

Walker Todd was such a good witness for you that he said absolutely nothing that helped you, he wants to keep his license more than he wants to feed your fantasies.

Your fascination with a minor charge that never even came into play rather than the ones that put you away speaks of your ongoing denial of reality.

Kurt bloviates To the rest of you confusion is my gift to you.
Truer words, since all you deal in is confusion, nonsense and lies.

Kurt bloviates Not just any victory but the one I've imagined for over 3 years now.
Right, along with your own sainthood. St Kurt, full of BS, patron saint of liars, and failed conartists. The only victory you have awaiting is your fantasies finally dissolve into the glop they were built out of.

Moogey gets profound, or at least as close as he can manage Problem is that the instructions to the Jury WASN'T THE LAW.
Problem is, Moogs, that is the law and reality of the last two hundred odd years, whether you like it or not. Unlike the fantasy that Kurt was trying to peddle and which you seem to have swallowed whole.

The defense might have gone on a little longer if they had had anything but air, nonsense, and blather to present, but in the end the facts spoke for themselves and screamed out their guilt.

That’s it Moogs harp on something totally inconsequential, the contempt charges do not have any value in the course of things. They weren’t tried on them, the jury didn’t receive them, and they are an irrelevance in comparison to the fraud charges which carry very real jail time. But then you never have been good on focusing on reality.

And Moogey looks once again into his crystal ball How about your fantasy world and NONSENSE that there will be MORE DEFENDANTS down the road,
let’s see Moogs, your predictions are running what 0 for 20 now, going to make it 21 are you?

Moogie tries again Course how does that fantasy gel with & be congruent with your other viewpoint of "judicial economy" where court starts once all Defendants can be tried and apprised of their rights all at once to save the time in Court?
Well, unless memory fails, the main players have all been arrested, charged, tried and convicted, so that would seem to meet your criteria. The little fish will probably be next, with an offer to plea and avoid serious jail time, since the bigshots have already publicly gone done. Don’t get your hopes up too soon Moogs, your time could well be coming.


Moogie tries to wiggle Why do people continue to believe anything he says?"
It is a simple enough question Moogs, did the great windbag make that prediction or didn’t he? You repeated it often enough, so answer the question. That’s it Moogs, hide behind religious gibberish when you finally run out of lies, it gives you ever so much credibility.

Moogey, the only walking the boys are going to be doing in the future is in a little tiny Federal exercise area.

Scott, Moogie has been playing spin doctor from the very beginning, the problem is that he just isn’t any better at it than he is at anything else, and he just ends up looking silly and pathetic.



Moogie tries for a home run and strikes out yet again Were the (followed by a lot of nonsense)
Again reality problem Moogs. In order to get introduced into court the documents have to have some semblance of reality, and none of that didn’t. The court rulings are irrelevant at trial, the business plan nonsense had nothing to do with the trial, it was not at issue, fraud was, so that too was irrelevant to the matter at hand. Get it through your thick head, that there is no such thing as a Notorial Protest with anything other than commercial paper, none involved here that it could have applied to. The court was under no obligation to accept anything the dim duo submitted. A plea agreement must be acceptable to all parties, they couldn’t manage an honest one so they were ignored. The phrases Dorean Group, and good faith in the same sentence are oxymoronic. Since the lenders were not involved in the case the subpoenas were for the most part irrelevant and abusive of process. Again Moogs, nonsense documents don’t cut it in the real world. You don’t get to settle what isn’t yours to settle. That lies with the court and the prosecution. Moogey your problem is that they jury did see the real facts, and weren’t impressed with dim and dimmer’s bs.

yet another Moogie wishful thinking "Within 90 days your enemies will fail and you will come out to the fulfillment of all that was spoken."
This is what 21 so far now Moogs. This whole statement is just so much nonsense, and just another of your delusions. If any of it were true, why are dim and dimmer still in the hoosegow, there to remain?


quoting Jd: Did the thought ever occur to any of you Dorean Groupies that maybe, just maybe, Kurt might not be as bright as he thinks he is?
Just wondering.

I seriously doubt it, considering the caliber of intellect that rallied to this little scam, I have a long dead siamese cat who rates higher on the intellect scale than many of them, which doesn’t actually say much for the windbag in chief, but then it never was necessary to more than just a bit smarter than your pigeons. The fact that dim and dimmer are on their way to becoming permanent guests of the Fed doesn’t speak really highly of their intellect.


One final bit of humbug. Scott and I WILL ACCEPT THE OFFER no matter the amount of time and no matter the crimes confessed to BECAUSE THE FACTS DON'T MATTER."
You don’t get it do you. Your days of accepting anything are long over. You have been handed a sentence that you cannot get away from, and you will be told what and when and how for the remainder of your lives.

Yeah Moogey, when you finally get one right do let me know. For right now the total stands at 21 zip.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Walker Todd was such a good witness for you that he said absolutely nothing that helped you, he wants to KEEP HIS LICENSE more than he wants to feed your fantasies."

Praytell, what kind of license, are you referring to?

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent says: "Well, unless memory fails, the main players have all been arrested, charged, tried and convicted, so that would seem to meet your criteria."
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Not true!!! There were Brokers that had more clients that were NEVER defendants. So much for your memory. So much for your guessing of the real facts too. There were at LEAST 19 BROKERS, and I don't know how many agents, but I would guess several hundred. Since the FBI confiscated all the paperwork at the Dorean Office, I can't imagine that they didn't know these facts or couldn't have found these things out with very little effort.

The facts scream that this case was about SELECTIVE PROSECUTION, and all of your spewing at the mouth, won't ever convince me otherwise.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent: "the MAIN PLAYERS have ALL been arrested,"
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Sarah Magoon was NOT A MAIN PLAYER, WAS NEVER ARRESTED, and had nothing to do with the trial.

I believe she was nothing more than the 1st official client, if you don't count Scott. Sarah Magoon didn't even have that many clients, but she was investigated by the FBI from the very beginning if not very early on.

As far as I can tell, isn't she still a fugitive that hasn't been captured? The last whereabout where she was, was in Canada, and I believe she even hired an attorney, and the government still can't find her? Yea, the government is real interested in bringing her to justice, aren't they & arresting all of the so called main players.

I'm sure you are a better liar than that. Why lie when it's obvious you just speak to be heard, without carefully considering what you are really saying? LOL

mogel007 said...

JD sarcastically says: "Probably be about his SECOND WEEK in prison, after he tries to tell all those big lifers how much smarter than them he is.
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Sorry to inform you JD, but the Dorean Group have been behind bars for well over 2 years now.

Maybe you SHOULD CONSIDER your jokes a little more carefully next time, if you are trying to be funny.

JDJD said...

Sorry, Moogums. I realize you aren't as familiar with the difference as your idol, St. Kurt, but the dim duo have been in Jail, awaiting trial. A Prison, although you beleive it to be the same thing, is vastly different and generally has a very different population; primarily convicted felons of a different stripe, so to speak. One Kurt may be surprised to meet once again. Should be interesting for him, though.

notorial dissent said...

Moogey blather Praytell, what kind of license, are you referring to?
Good ole Walker pretends to be the mortgage eliminators friend, but he also knows that if he utters any of the nonsense he lets his name get used with in a real court it will a short trip to the disbarment hearing and possibly other things as well for violating his oaths of conduct.

more Moogey blather There were Brokers that had more clients that were NEVER defendants.
So now you’re complaining because they haven’t come after you, is that it. All I said was that the major players and chief conspirators, or at least the really stupid ones were tried first. I have no idea what criteria the Justice Dept used in deciding who to go after first, but they did get the main players, and there is nothing that says they aren’t going after the rest, or that they all have to be tried at one time. Patience Moogs, your time will come.

Moogie trying hard Sarah Magoon was NOT A MAIN PLAYER, WAS NEVER ARRESTED, and had nothing to do with the trial.
For someone who wasn’t arrested and wasn’t involved in the trial, there was certainly an arrest warrant out for her, and she will also get some kind of sentence, so there was obviously some reason she was included in with the original group Moogs.

Sucker-Punched By Dorean said...

I hope they both are grabbing their ankles in prison with their new "playmates" Maybe it will REGISTER what it has felt like loosing homes, going through divorce, losing all our money that was tied up in our homes, destroying our lives.

2 years later and after losing $300,000 in equity in foreclosure listening to these scam artists I still am completly broke and my wife long gone because of that mess

I for one am GLAD they are in jail. SO WHAT about their fucking "loop hole" that did NOT exist. SO WHAT about their cult-like religious RAMBLINGS. YOU BOTH ARE NOT CHRISTIAN MEN. When did Christ DESTROY the lives of people????

They are BOTH where they belong. I do have some sympathy for the 4 others esp that Sara chick. She was suckered in like the rest of us.

UNTIL YOU 2 ASSHOLES REPENT....EVERYTHING YOU DO IS GOING TO FAIL...EVERYTHING YOU EVEN DREAM OF...WILL FAIL..UNTIL YOU CAN OWN UP TO THE MASS DESTRUCTION YOU BROUGHT ON COUNTLESS FAMILIES...AND DO RIGHT BY ALL YOUR VICTIMS....YOU WILL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!!!!!!

It is the LAW of God's universe. Those of use who have lived to 40 and beyond...have SEEN it OVER AND OVER with ROTTEN PEOPLE like YOU TWO. IT IS THE PATTERN OF LIFE....CAUSE PAIN AND SUFFERING...IT WILL ALLLLLLLL COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN!

So quit crying and accept the HELL you have created for SO MANY PEOPLE

OWN UP TO YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.. CONFESS YOU SINNERS!!!!

CONFESS AND WAKE UP! THE "Cult Mentality" IS SOOOO 70s