Monday, December 03, 2007

Intent (November 26, 2007)

There has been a lot of discussion about my intent with Dorean and now a court has formed an opinion concerning it. Perhaps I can clarify it for some of you. Dorean means "sovereign freedom and gift" which is consistent with what I want to offer the clients. Dorean was designed to aggressively offend the powers that be to force a battle of wits for dominance. They have power and a lie; I have Christ and the truth. It is an ancient and epic battle repeated countless times throughout history. First one must look at the transaction. The bankers which will always be the ultimate ledger a loan is settled upon even if a mortgage company is the contractor. The warehouse line of credit given to a mortgage broker is not their ledger but the banks. Banks within the current fiat reserve system create money at the time of lending. Is this criminal? I don't care! It was not my issue. Do they lend was my question. If the promissory note is deposited upon the ledger as the asset that funds the liability instrument used to fund the real-estate transaction how did the alleged lender put up any consideration to obtain a creditor's rights? Going back into the mortgage industry on a refinance does not make me greedy or a criminal. It makes me prudent. If that is the way the transactions goes then my knowledge of entering the marketplace again is not fraudulent because I know that the promissory note completely funds the transaction and there is an even quid pro quo exchange to the mutual benefit of both parties. No injured party, no risk, no advantage for either party. The banks are not ripped off. If they choose to issue fraudulent contracts that misstate the transaction that is on them. I cannot be certain until the transaction is examined by the books and records. Even though I have the advantage of procedural knowledge I do not have knowledge of the operations concerning this particular transaction. If the borrower's note funded the transaction it is not a creditor relationship and must therefore fall into a fiduciary or agency relationship. This relationship has a duty to speak absolutely. If they do not tacit, procuration is a valid performance with its inherent obligations. Dorean formed its contracts around these principals of law. Sure there was an expectation of conflict. Why wouldn't there be. We were the first to take the banks own procedures and tactics and return them to them with force and effect.

Mortgage Alternatives collected nearly 10x the money we did without one act of performance and went out of business after 4 years without a whimper of interest from the government. Why because they were no threat to the status quo. They did nothing to offend the most powerful cartel. Was Dorean a Christian company? No, but its founders love the Lord with all their heart. Any of you who know the Lord know He will not let you serve Him and serve mammon. All your accusations of my greed are foolish and improbable. Leader suggested that I am diligent in my fight as a man of faith but because of the injuries around me I must be errant. How do you come up with this crap? When was your last faith battle? Were you able to exit at your own choosing? Were you able to control the events? Did people misunderstand what God was having you do having not heard the call you heard? Fighting for God and fighting for Country are not similar. God dispossess you of any allegiances including wives and children to serve in His army. The United States promotes the patriotic allegiances of Country, family, friends, freedom, and way of life. My wife has been a faithful champion of faith right by my side and sacrifices her husband to the call of God like a real soldier of faith. I do not discard her but embrace her with an honor greater than a husband. I live and fight to justify her faith and to give her the reward of trusting the Lord. Scott does the same for his kids. God has done an amazing work there in that now his kids truly look to their father as a champion of the faith they are starting to embrace with diligence. If you are a true brother in Christ and want to really understand my motivations in the spirit I will invest in your spirit by offering you a copy of my book. Somehow get a copy of your address to me or my father and I will mail it to you. Some have read the drafts and can comment as to my personal commitment to my faith. It is not a fleeting platitude to impress those around me. I personally don't care who I offend by my obedience. If a brother I will work it out with him, but that takes some effort on both parties. I make that effort to you "leader" what will you do with it? Dorean didn't go as smoothly as I would have liked because people I thought I could count on lacked the substance I thought they possessed and the opposition was far more severe then I had imagined. That still didn't scare me because I have always had an ace up my sleeve that these villains can never foresee. My faith is their biggest stumbling block because the self preservation of a man's heart is what their system was designed to take advantage of. They have no psychological or tactical remedy to persuade one dead to this world. None of their promises motivate.

Scott let me ask you for a little spiritual common sense. If you knew me to be genuine, and you knew yourself that way, and you now have an established walk with the Lord, how is it that you can imagine for me what you know to be impossible for yourself? The Lord never diminished your genuineness but only increased it better than you could. Do you think the Lord that anemic on the west coast? Now the only thing you seem to question me on is not my faith but my financial knowledge because you are the informed mortgage broker. Can your industry justify the condemnation of a brother more than Christ could? If your industry is so pristine why is it the lead in one of the worst credit crisis's in your lifetime? That was the moral uprightness you trust over spiritual common sense in Christ? I know I am mouthy and bold about certain subjects and I stand up to retards but if you've walked even a mile in the faith you will know that I speak the truth. If you think I am a liar then you must be one of those sweet by and by Christians where everything is wonderful because good things only happen to good people. I don't suspect you as that much an imitation. Christ is not begging for converts and if my blowhard son wants to be his own god the real God will let him. I do not preach to him or care if he listens to me or you. I care only that he has a call on his life and God hears my prayers. I don't think my God is a wimp ringing His hands with concern over how to get my boy through the muck and mire of the devil and his intentions to the truth of Christ. I happen to believe the prayers of the righteous avails much. Don't misinterpret by my words. If you think you can read my heart try reading yours. Impress yourself and clean up your heart. The messiah complex is retarded don't grovel below yourself. I make my boast in the Lord and give my life as a living sacrifice to Him. That is the right standing of a man. I live under submission and take orders. Those who are their own boss are the messiahs on this Blog. You don't hear me complaining about the path Christ has taken me. Even if I get destroyed I have the joy of knowing I was obedient. If you think this delusional try keeping your delusion through the threat of death and suffering. Delusional people don't get a pass from a multi-degreed psyche and maintain coherent Blogs like this one. Pretend is something I don't do. I don't pretend we have a legal system when we don't. I don't pretend there was a loan when there wasn't. I don't pretend to be about trustee business at the expense of myself when I am not. I don't pretend to be the messiah when I am His servant. I don't pretend to be humble when I have no cause to be. I don't pretend to be proud when I have no cause to be. I don't pretend that Christ doesn't motivate my decisions because retards don't understand it. I know people who have known me the 30 years you have been absent that represent me completely differently than you do. I think I will trust them and their knowledge over your guessing. I would think you could guess better with the sense you have. How many times did David appear to be at the end of his road of faith? Don't count me out just because a jury entered a verdict. I might just have them right were I want them, starting to feel confident. Have you pierced the lies in your life? Maybe if I prevail, I might be able as a friend to show you how many lies you believe.

92 comments:

neodemes said...

"I know that the promissory note completely funds the transaction"

Your logic falls apart right there and has from the beginning...c'mon...how long do you think there would be any kind of loan process if a signed promise to pay, in and of itself bought a house?

Faith in the the Saving Grace of our Loving Father, through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, is a wonderful thing.

Buying into the pseudo-legal gibberish that has been flying around for decades...not so good, regardless of the intent.

why you do that? said...

WOW! THIS SHIT IS GETTING SERIOUS!

ANYONE SEE THE LATEST 12-13-07 WORLDREPORTS?


HIDE UNDER YOUR TABLES!

Matter a Fact said...

thats what happens neodickless
you whinny whimpy whoosey...
why dont you just go away and leave this group alone you pathetic loser..
ya got nothin better to do that sit on yer fat lazy ass and bash people......

GET OUT AND OFF LOSER...NEODEMON

near the end said...

Neo has no life. If not for this Blog he would Kill himself.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said:

"I know that the promissory note completely funds the transaction"

Your logic falls apart right there and has from the beginning..
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Nemo, below is your answer in Kurt's words. Stop taking parts of the picture & thinking you see the full picture & thinking you have all of the facts & stop misinterpreting what's really being said.

"If the promissory note is deposited upon the ledger as the asset that funds the liability instrument used to fund the real-estate transaction, how did the alleged lender put up any consideration to obtain a creditor's rights?"

Your question was answered previously MANY times. If you don't understand the simplest of concepts, I think it is safe YOU NEVER WILL UNDERSTAND.

The banks can't borrower from the Federal Reserve WITHOUT AN ASSET, the promissory note, provides the asset needed for them to fund the loan transaction because lender banks are legally barred from lending out their own money.

Without the promissory note, you never have a funded transaction. With a promissory note, you can have a funded transaction.

The promissory note is treated like money & has value. Lenders don't pay consideration for that value, yet the lenders owe too. You do believe that all loans should be repaid don't you? Of course you believe that, but for some hypocritical reason, you believe that lenders are exempt to pay back what they in effect borrowed or used or stole through misrepresentation.

Either you don't understand that the promissory note is sold & traded, & has value in and of itself, and is treated as money, or you don't understand that we have a debt based economy & debt is treated as money. Where does your misunderstanding lie, assuming of course, your misunderstanding in fact LIES?

why you do that? said...

JUST WHAT IS DRAGOONED ANYWAY?


THAT MOVIE WITH BROKE SHIELDS IN "I WRESTLED THE DRAGOON IN THE BLUE LAGOON"

Stillwaiting3 said...

Ok, I have just asked Chase now that my loan has been refied to another lender to provide me with the "original signed Note" that was signed by me and them. They sent a copy only signed by me. I called again and said no the original with signatures. She told me they keep them for 7 years (my loan has only been with them for 4 years)and then they are put on microfiche. I told her that was fine, make a copy for Chase and send me the original. She, I need to speak to another supervisor/manager.
Now I have to wait for the paper work to come back from the county in which I live and then request for the original in writing and it could take up to six months to get the original. Tomorrow I go to the court house to see if the paperwork is there or not.
I explained to her that if they have the original and in there records now that the note is paid off I have nothing for my records saying that it is paid and I have no debt to Chase. I also explained that I now have what appears to be an open debt with Chase and my new mortgage company. New mortgage company gets a call tomorrow for a copy of the signed note by me and them.
Chase rep kept saying that the loan was sold to them. I asked when it was and I don't have a problem of them selling it but when did I enter into a legal contract with Chase without signing any paperwork? No answer or the usual I'll be right back.
When I was in the Army and sold my car to another service member the lawyer recommended that I have a promissory note made up showing that I was selling the car a set price and that the buyer was paying so much down with payments for 6 months. Plus, in the event that he didn't pay I could get my car back. We both had to be there to sign the note along with the JAG lawyer. Hence, a contract.
I don't expect to see the original but I am not going to stop asking and filing paperwork for it.
I have also read through my closing documents about them selling my loan. Yes, my initial company said that they sell 98% of the loans. No problem but new contract. Oh yeah, the Chase Rep said they are only servicing the loan. So my rights to pay to the original company was given away to Chase and yet again without a contract between us.
I wonder if Wells Fargo, Washington Mutual Bank and other will call me and say I have to pay them as well. I don't have a legal doc with them either.
Stillwaiting3..........

neodemes said...

moogie demands:
"Stop taking parts of the picture & thinking you see the full picture & thinking you have all of the facts & stop misinterpreting what's really being said."

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Coming from you, moogs, that is hysterical.

Oh, I understand the full spiel, its the 'solution' that is the problem. It doesn't work.

Debt based economy? No shit, Sherlock, driven by a pervasive desire for immediate gratification.

No one has a gun to your head to participate.

If you decide to sign a promissory note for a house, prepare to make the payments or lose the house.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

File a shitstorm of meaningless paper if you want, it will avail you nothing but heartache. K & S proved that much.

why you do that? said...

I wonder if Wells Fargo, Washington Mutual Bank and other will call me and say I have to pay them as well. I don't have a legal doc with them either.






I woudnt worry about it.

Some of these banks are going to making a movie like Broke Shields pretty soon.

why you do that? said...

BTW, if someone sent an email like the WORLD REPORTS and said and say that someone is going to get shoot, they would have HOMELESS SCRUTINY getting their email an a SWAT TEAM surround their house.

How can WORLD REPORT say this and let it go.


MAYBE that was the SWAT TEAM, that guy that throw the rock thru the window of office.

near the end said...

stillwaiting3; Why dont you ask Scott from vineland that question.


Hey Scott you dumbass Mr. mortgage broker you got a good answer for him?

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "If you decide to sign a promissory note for a house, prepare to make the payments or lose the house."
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I've got a neighbor that hasn't made any payments for 3 years. I don't think she's prepared to lose her house or if she even believes that will happen. Maybe it will; maybe it won't. How do you get away with making no payments for 3 years, I'll never know. Not only that, Countrywide stopped the foreclosure & hasn't set another foreclosure date. She bought the house 7 years ago for $69,000. She now owes $145,000. She has it listed for $ 84,000. House might be realistically worth $60,000. Needless to say, she hasn't had any offers, other than mine which was rejected without even a counter offer. The way Countrywide does business, they deserve all of their financial problems.

The best part is that her payment goes from $800 to $1200/month if the lender does a work out plan, but why pay on a house with no equity, or should I say why pay for a house much more than what it's realistically worth? Here's a case where renting makes more sense. If she didn't pay $800/month, why would the lender think she will pay $1200/month? Why not just give it back to the lender at this point in time, but oh wait, Countrywide doesn't seem to want it back. Countrywide has so many REO's, what's another one on their books? Oh that's right, if they get too many, they'll be bankrupt too.

Maybe some the lenders of this country should PREPARE not to foreclose as much as they have done so in the past, or maybe they'll be as well known as "Woolworth".

notorial dissent said...

The Bilge Report for November 26, 2007

Comes now the bilgemeister with his latest justification, rationalization, and attempted personal deification.

Kurtian lies and obfuscation There has been a lot of discussion about my intent with Dorean and now a court has formed an opinion concerning it.
I would hardly call a great deal of legal proceedings a lot of discussion, but then i forget that you are also the one who called Dorean a moral and ethical procedure, so i guess i shouldn’t be surprised.

Kurtian lies and obfuscation Dorean was designed to aggressively offend the powers that be to force a battle of wits for dominance.
Well, the first part of it is right anyway, the rest is just a joke, nothing like going into a battle totally unarmed, i guess.

Kurtian lies and obfuscation the promissory note is deposited upon the ledger as the asset that funds the liability instrument used to fund the real-estate transaction how did the alleged lender put up any consideration to obtain a creditor's rights?
More old nonsense, the PN is the promise to repay the loan, that the lender provides to complete the transaction, the rest is just more nonsense.

Kurtian lies and obfuscation Going back into the mortgage industry on a refinance does not make me greedy or a criminal.
No it makes you a crook when the original loan isn’t actually paid off and you then apply for another loan.

Followed by more lies and rationalizations, all of which have long been proven false.

Mortgage Alternatives was smart enough to stay under the radar for the duration of it’s run, they weren’t stupid enough to go into open Federal court and exhibit their fraud where it couldn’t help but be noticed, and guess where you are now.

Followed by yet more blasphemy and falsehood all of which are nothing but attempts to justify theft, fraud, and deceit by a second rate con man who has lied to his family and friends and deserted his first family, yes a real stirling example of character and virtue.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "i forget that you are also the one who called Dorean a moral and ethical procedure, so i guess i shouldn’t be surprised."
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I shouldn't be surprised that you can't even attribute that comment to the right party. That was from a Broker website, namely CCR, not from what Kurt said. Why am I not surprised you can't even get the details correct?????? As far as the discussion, he was referring to what has been said on the blog, about his "intent", NOT what has been discussed in the court room. Course if you can't even get the details correct, or who said what, how can you be trusted to come to fair & proper conclusions??? Keep typing, you are only showing everyone the idiot that you are & how you can make something out of nothing.

"nothing like going into a battle totally unarmed, i guess."

Well if the truth how lending operates is not a weapon, than you are the one that believes lies are weapons then. I'm not surprised there either.

"Followed by more lies and rationalizations, all of which have long been proven false."

Nothing has been proven false by the prosecution. One only has to read the court transcripts to come to that conclusion. That's the heart of the problem, how do you convict and sentence someone when the facts and testimony and the standards for verification & validation just aren't there to back up a conviction or sentencing?

Here's your stupidest comment though: "Mortgage Alternatives was smart enough to stay under the radar for the duration of it’s run"

Not true at all. If you think that they weren't investigated, than you are stupider than I thought or maybe you think their company's "mail fraud" was irrelevant? Which is it? Wasn't company's promoting the same program as Mortgage
Alternatives put in the government alerts to be aware of and stay away from, you know what I'm talking about! How can they put those alerts out if there was no investigation or if the government knew nothing about them? Again, more nonsense by you.

"deserted his first family,"

You are kidding on that accusation aren't you? Is divorce tantamount to disserting someone in your feeble mind too? Notarial Dissent, you really are a piece of work. You can twist anything, can't you?

why you do that? said...

Rumor on the net' that some BIG HYIPS are paying out!


YEP! SO LETS HEAR IT!



ITS OVER WHEN.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb7nwoQVkQE

why you do that? said...
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why you do that? said...

ITS OVER WHEN....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb7nwoQVkQE

why you do that? said...

http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=gb7nwoQVkQE

why you do that? said...

Did anyone buy a million Iraqi dinars last year?

Hold on them.



"as rumours spread through Baghdad that the government was planning to move the official rate suddenly to 1,000 and remove three zeros, making a dinar worth $1."


1 MILLION DINAR = $1 MILLION






3 December 2007


BAGHDAD - A bubble in the Iraqi currency popped on Thursday after the central bank denied rumours of a revaluation, causing confusion on streets where the main risk of trading is usually violent death, not currency fluctuations.

A normally stable currency backed by billions of dollars in oil revenue, the Iraqi dinar had risen by 10 percent practically overnight. But a sudden bull run on the dinar proved too good to be true.

Street traders who had raised the price of Iraq’s currency over the past few days abruptly lowered it again after the central bank denied it was trying to haul the currency up to sudden parity with the U.S. dollar.

The Iraqi dinar had been gaining value slowly for months after the government announced a plan to gradually raise the exchange rate, now officially 1,210 to the U.S. dollar.

But the past week had seen the rate on Iraq’s streets climb suddenly as high as 1,080 as rumours spread through Baghdad that the government was planning to move the official rate suddenly to 1,000 and remove three zeros, making a dinar worth $1.

Not so, the central bank said, blaming speculators.

“An authorised source at the Central Bank of Iraq denies rumours that claimed the bank wished to value the dollar at 1,000 dinars, or less or more, or change the currency denominations, or remove the zeros from the present currency,” the central bank said in a statement.

“The Central Bank is following the phenomenon of less demand for the dollar closely,” it said. “Information or widespread rumours like this are designed to allow very quick trading benefits for some at the expense of the people.”

Selling dollars

At Abu Mohammed’s storefront currency exchange shop in Baghdad’s central Karrada district, the price of a dollar was back up to 1,180 dinars on Thursday, close to the official rate, after falling as low as 1,080 on Wednesday.

Abu Mohammed earned a profit on Wednesday from customers who rushed to get rid of dollars as they lost their value.

“I feel sorry for those who traded yesterday, but what can I do?” he said.

The currency moves caused confusion in shops. Most Iraqis receive salaries in dinars but stores list prices for expensive imported items in dollars.

Refrigerator shop owner Abu Ibrahim hadn’t yet heard that the dollar was recovering and thought he was now stuck with fridges priced in a U.S. currency worth far less than when he bought them.

“The central bank has to change the rate slowly if it wants to succeed. If someone has a contract a year ago in dollars and everything become more expensive for him, then he won’t be able to gain any profits.”

Iraq’s currency stability is a point of pride, both for the government and its U.S. backers.

Thanks to rising oil prices and increasing exports, Iraq’s public finances are in surprisingly good shape for a country that has seen nearly five years of war follow 12 years of U.N. sanctions. Iraq exports nearly 2 million barrels of oil per day and next year’s budget is expected to be $48 billion.

notorial dissent said...

Moogey tries again I shouldn't be surprised that you can't even attribute that comment to the right party.
Get over it Moogey, if Kurt didn’t say it, he certainly didn’t retract it, so the statement stands. A lie not contradicted on behalf of the liar is none the less a lie.

Moogey still trying, still failing Well if the truth how lending operates is not a weapon, than you are the one that believes lies are weapons then. I'm not surprised there either.
The problem Moogs, is that there is no truth involved in any of the Dorean drivel. The vapor money nonsense has long been discredited, both by people who actually work in the field, and more importantly by the courts, so no truth, no weapon, just more Kurtian BS, with a bit of Moogey bootlicking thrown in.

Moogey again Nothing has been proven false by the prosecution.
You mean other than Kurt signing documents without authorization and making fraudulent statements? The jury believed otherwise apparently. There was more than sufficient evidence to prove the frauds they committed, and more than adequate proof that what was being done was illegal and fraudulent. The prosecution saw, the grand jury saw it, the FBI saw it, the judge saw it, and more importantly, the trial jury saw it, and convicted. So your not proven, is just like the Dorean nonsense, just so much hot air.

Moogs, I never said Mortgage Alternatives hadn’t been investigated, or wasn’t under investigation, or hadn’t been committing the same kind of crimes that Dorean was committing. I said, that they stayed under the radar until they could get out. They didn’t go into a Federal courtroom and admit publicly that they were committing multiple counts of fraud, and then act shocked when they got busted.

I never said anything about divorce, now did I Moogs, I said deserted, as in abandoned, left alone, ignored, denied, and then when they dare to complain about it vilified. If Kurt is such a wonderful father figure, then why have his children in AZ not heard anything of him in all this time, why has he not provided any kind of support either emotional or financial for them? If he wants to play the good family man card, then he had better be ready to answer the questions better than he has so far, and being divorced and not on good terms with the ex doesn’t excuse not making child support payments.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "There was more than sufficient evidence to prove the frauds they committed, and more than adequate proof that what was being done was illegal and fraudulent. The prosecution saw, the grand jury saw it, the FBI saw it, the judge saw it, and more importantly, the trial jury saw it, and convicted."
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According to the appeal, there was not ADEQUATE PROOF. The prosecution saw to it to drop the bank fraud charges, which is a material defect, so it appears their vision changed & the original indictment wasn't as clear as you might think.

Also according to the appeal, there is the question of what exactly the grand jury saw, as opposed to what was actually seen in the trial. That's why the grand jury records have been subpoened or requested. If there are serious conflicts, than their are problems for the guilty verdicts to stand.

The problem is the jury convicted based upon the instructions by the Judge, which instructions were bias and went beyond his proper discretion or scope. The Judge in fact lied in his statements about certain realities, and the appeal attempts to show or prove this.

The victory you see as a finality can be easily short lived if the appealate court sees things differently than the dishonorable Judge Alsup.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: " never said anything about divorce, now did I Moogs, I said deserted, as in abandoned, left alone, ignored, denied,
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I believe you have it the other way around. She left him, by leaving the Lord first:

"In both my divorces the living Christ in me was mediating life to my spouse but because they were lifting their skirts to the devil they were dead and dying. Divorce didn't have to be my desire, IT WAS INEVITABLE."

Ignored & denied? Well let's see by this statement if that's true:

"Do not coddle the little rebel.
Let him come on here and blast his father all he wants I'm thick skinned. He is in a long line of haters. He is in a short line of children but first he must get out of the other line. I don't expect this anytime soon and contrite platitudes will not make it come any faster. I have many wonderful things to tell him-when he shuts his mouth and opens his ears."
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Obviously not left alone or denied if Kurt has many WONDERFUL THINGS TO TELL HIM.

Someone who truly leaves someone alone or denies them, DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM EVER AGAIN & certainly wouldn't want to be intimate with them by sharing special gifts.
I'm sure Kurt is a better father than you are a fair judge of character & that's all that matters at this point.

I suppose you would want Kurt to ENABLE his son in his "bad behaviour" thus sanctioning his sons dysfunctional behaviour as OK and adopting it as something that is acceptable or by overlooking the sons bad behaviour or ignoring the bad behaviour or denying his sons bad behaviour as a serious problem? That's what co-dependent people do & that's sick!!! "Tough love" is the answer here.
Sorry, no cookie for you today.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "then he had better be ready to answer the questions better than he has so far, and being divorced and not on good terms with the ex doesn’t excuse not making child support payments."
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Well since neither of us knows ALL OF THE FACTS, neither of us can really judge or say.

For all you know, the ex may have not even wanted anything from Kurt, including child support payments. By his sons own admission, his mother provided extremely well, so if that's true, there wasn't a financial problem or hardship anyway.

PLAYING the good family man card?
I'm sorry, you lost me on that one.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "I said, that they stayed under the radar until they could get out. They didn’t go into a Federal courtroom and admit publicly that they were committing multiple counts of fraud,
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You're right Mortgage Alternatives didn't go into a Federal courtroom, THEY JUST PROMISED TO DO THAT TO INDUCE CLIENTS, if everything else failed, which the company failed by Gran Teasley's own admission THAT HE COULDN'T GET THE JOB DONE, SO HE WAS CLOSING THE COMPANY. The government DIDN'T SHUT HIM DOWN LIKE WAS DONE TO THE DOREAN GROUP. Mortgage Alternatives took on the contractual obligation to file a petition for each client in Federal Court as a last resort, since that was the promise of "People's Advantage" the predecessor of Mortgage Alternatives, promised in their own agreements. Peoples Advantage being the ORIGINAL company with the original clients that Gran Teasley bought out, although none of the clients were made privy to those terms & full disclosure AND WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES & timely reporting this was NEVER GRAN'S BEST CHARACTER TRAIT.

Gran Teasley publicly admitted that the bonds that were sent out in the presentments were legitimate & THAT HE WOULD BELIEVE THAT TO HIS DYING DAY. So you must believe that wasn't multiple acts of fraud then?

Gran Teasley DIDN'T "GET OUT" as you say. HE QUIT because he ran out of ideas or plans & he basically had a quitter mentality. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!! I think Gran honestly wanted to make a difference & perform in the beginning, but something changed over time. Gran Teasley was a horrible manager of his company & extremely inept. He allowed his most trusted employees to steal him blind & to take clients funds FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH PURPOSES and the GOVERNMENT TURNED A BLIND'S EYE TO ALL OF THIS. Yea, the same government that made the Dorean clients the victims in the criminal trial!!!!!! The same government that turned a blind eye to what Mortgage Alternatives did which had more clients & took in more money. Go figure.

Notarial Dissent, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. No one was indicted or convicted with Mortgage Alternatives because the government didn't give a damn because they were never a threat as a company to the government or financial institutions. If you are saying there were no victims as clients, than you are just showing the hypocrite that you are.

Just get over it, the GOVERNMENT DID NOTHING AND MORE PEOPLE WERE HURT. I've never heard you condemn Gran Teasley even once, why is that? Must be because you think Gran Teasley always had more character than Kurt & Scott, I would suppose. It must be because Gran saw on "out" & left at the most opportune time as you say. Maybe a quitters mentality is something you admire too?

notorial dissent said...

Moogie babbles some more and has a new plaint “According to the Appeal” The prosecution saw to it to drop the bank fraud charges, which is a material defect, so it appears their vision changed & the original indictment wasn't as clear as you might think.
And you come to this conclusion based on what? There is no requirement that the prosecution go to trial with all the charges initially brought. If they want to drop them before it goes to trial, then they drop them. It has nothing to do with the charges dim and dimmer were tried on. They had the evidence, they had the proof and the jury agreed.

What they were NOT charged with is not an appealable matter, the appeal is restricted only to what happened during the trial that led to the conviction.

Moogie babble ...there is the question of what exactly the grand jury saw, as opposed to what was actually seen in the trial.
Again, so what, the grand jury doesn’t get to see everything, at most they get to see that there is evidence of a crime being committed and they issue an indictment based on that, they are not triers of fact, they only get to say there was probable cause. The grand jury says there is a probable crime, the investigation turns up what is going on. Again, not an appealable matter.

Moogie babble ...the jury convicted based upon the instructions by the Judge,
The jury convicted upon their own belief in the guilt of dim and dimmer. The judge was within his authority to issue the instructions he did, and since they conformed to law and fact there is nothing appealable there other. Biased, perhaps, but only in that they gave the actual laws and facts as they really exist instead of as dim and dimmer wish they did. That may be biased in your opinion, but the appeals court will not find it so. Sure the judge lied Moogey, he would go out of his way to get the case thrown out when dim and dimmer handed the jury ample proof of their guilt, in your dreams Moog. The only lies in that arena came out of the mouths of dim and dimmer.

Moogie babble The victory you see as a finality can be easily short lived if the appealate court sees things differently than the dishonorable Judge Alsup.
Famous last words Moogs, right up there with it will never come to trial, they’ll be out in six weeks, and moral and ethical, in other words, not going to happen.

I wasn’t talking about the ex Moogs, I was talking about his children. He has had no contact with them since their mother left, regardless of what transpired between them it does not justify his having no contact with the children until now, and then to be as utterly vile as he was.

Moogie babble Obviously not left alone or denied if Kurt has many WONDERFUL THINGS TO TELL HIM.
If Kurt has so many wonderful things to tell him, then why hasn’t he in all these years. Just more Kurtian BS.

Kurt’s status as a father was more than amply evidenced by the words of his son, so I think that more than answers you back, I will take the word of the child over the proven liar any time. The child spoke the truth, something foreign to his father, and his father reviled him for it, speaks of real gem of a father there. But then remember Kurt’s motto, it is always someone else’s fault, Kurt is never to blame. In a pig’s eye.

Moogs, I never said Mortgage Advantage was anything other than a scam, every bit as crooked as Dorean. What I did say was that they weren’t stupid enough to commit fraud in open court and then be surprised when they got busted for it. I personally suspect they closed down before the govt got around to going after them, but I don’t know and don’t care. They could have gone to jail too, they got lucky. I’m curious as to why you want to keep beating a dead horse. What did or didn’t happen to MA is irrelevant to the matter at hand. The reason you’ve never heard me say anything about the matter is that it never came up before, so you have no idea what my opinion is. Kurt’s overblown ego got him in trouble and that is all it took.

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mogel007 said...

Art imitates real life in an episode of the X-files. 911 with an airplane hitting the World Trade Center seen in a TV drama many months before the real event happened:

http://www.brasscheck
tv.com/page/237.html

How's that for bizarre? Or is this some inside knowledge of the real events before they happened?

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent asked: "I’m curious as to why you want to keep beating a dead horse. What did or didn’t happen to MA is irrelevant to the matter at hand."
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Not irrelevant. Because the government didn't go after MA, just shows they were no threat. The fact that the government left them alone completely shows the inconsistency & "selective prosecution" of the prosecutions charges in essence making the Dorean clients "the victims". They made the clients the victims, but a company that had more clients were never considered a victim by the FBI/government because those leaders in MA were ignored by the government completely. No indictments ever, no claims by the government of mail fraud, or sending out "fictitious instruments", no victims were even seen by the government as injured. Maybe the government never cared.

What is stopping the government even now from bringing leaders to justice, just like what happened to the Dorean Group? It is seen by most as a bigger scam in money volume than the Dorean Group, is it not? They didn't provide what they promised. That can be safely said as a fact.

If you don't see the "double standard", of injustice, I feel sorry for you. It's not a dead horse. It's a thorn in people's sides.

Course then again, if MA never had a real workable system, even though they sold at least 4 different methods, & were never a threat to the mortgage industry, than why should the government bother with them?

I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm trying to make a point that you refuse to see.

How many times has people like Judge Beanhead said that I should be sued, or I'm a bad person or bad example, or that the government will come after me next?

Or really? They never did anything to anyone in Mortgage Alternatives. Eventually the statute of limitations is going to run out & the opportunity lost forever. The statute of limitations is not a dead horse yet.

neodemes said...

If you are so concerned about MA being brought to justice, moogs, pick up the phone and offer to testify.

After all, you were promoting MA before DG rose from the sludge.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "If you are so concerned about MA being brought to justice, moogs, pick up the phone and offer to testify."
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If the government was so interested, they know where to find me.

why you do that? said...

Travelling oversees lately?

Dont leave home without them, but you can only take enough for a 3-4 stay in a European hotel, unless you start ordering them at least one year in advice.

from a blog:





Don't know how long there has been a limit on AMEX Travelers checks, but now I see that there is limit on how many you WTF?

"There is a maximum order size of $1000.00 that can be purchased within a 14-day period."

I thought this might be an easy way to keep some savings in the home safe in a currency that might survive the dollar devaluation. This seems like another way to keep people from opting out of the USD.

neodemes said...

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "If you are so concerned about MA being brought to justice, moogs, pick up the phone and offer to testify."
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If the government was so interested, they know where to find me.

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Spoken like a true armchair warrior. Why be proactive, when you can sit around flapping your gums?

Still waiting on that NEW EVIDENCE you were yammering about, moogie.

notorial dissent said...

Moogs, I just don’t get your fascination with MA, unless you have this deep seated urge to have your very own day glo orange jumpsuit, is it jealousy of all the attention the dim duo are getting? do you feel left out, is that it, I can’t imagine it is guilt or conscience since you have shown an absolute dearth of both to date?

It is nice to finally see you admitting that Dorean was a scam and just as crooked as MA was, but all that aside, it still boils down to the fact that illegal behavior is illegal behavior whether you get caught or not. It is illegal to speed on the highway, and yet lots of people do it and never get caught. It doesn’t change the illegality of it. The difference is they didn’t do it in front of the local gendarme, and get caught.

There is nothing to say that the MA crowd aren’t going to get their turn eventually, so you won’t feel left out after all.

It still boils down to, if you want to end up in jail, commit a crime in front of a cop, it raises the probability to an almost certain 100%. Dim and dimmer paraded their villainy in front of a Federal judge, what was the likelihood he wasn’t going to file a complaint, and complaints from Federal judges get listened to by Federal prosecutors. I realize this is a difficult concept for you, but soldier on, your turn will come.

latest Moogey whine How many times has people like Judge Beanhead said that I should be sued, or I'm a bad person or bad example, or that the government will come after me next?
If you’re expecting an argument here you’re sadly mistaken, get a grip, you are only at loose ends because you are such an inconsequentiality.

If you’re really feeling neglected, I’m sure someone could be persuaded to have a word with your local AG’s office. I’m sure there are some state charges available for you, not quite as glamorous as a Federal rap sheet, but in your place, one just has to settle for what little attention one can get.

Yes, Moogs, let’s here some more about this new evidence. Oh wait, they took Kurt’s computer privileges away, so he can’t print up anymore magic documents. Maybe he remembered where there were some more forged documents he’d made up so that more charges can be added for the next round.

Really really really waiting for this great new evidence that will prove the dim duo pure as the driven slush they are. I haven't had a good laugh in weeks.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "I haven't had a good laugh in weeks."
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Somehow sadly, I find that the only thing I believe you said as being factual in your last post.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "complaints from Federal judges get listened to by Federal prosecutors."
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Seems like that's out of their job description or intended purpose to me, but maybe you had a different Civics teacher than I did.

mogel007 said...

Nemo: Don't worry, good things happen to those that wait.

notorial dissent said...

Moogey whines Somehow sadly, I find that the only thing I believe you said as being factual in your last post.
Factual comment. What you do or don’t believe is neither my concern or interest. Your inability to distinguish fact from fiction has long been in evidence, and is again not my problem.

Moogey shows his lack of contact with reality Seems like that's out of their job description or intended purpose to me, but maybe you had a different Civics teacher than I did.
When a judge says something looks like a violation of Federal law, they generally know, and only a foolish prosecutor would disregard such an opinion, and if you think otherwise, you are foolish.

That is self evident, also better in history, business, ethics, and morality.

near the end said...

notorial dissent I bet you go back into drug rehab when this Blog is gone.

Man your consumed with it.

That's a little weird since none of this has anything to do with you. or maybe you are an ex client.

mogel007 said...

Interesting video with some interesting observations & questions about 911:

http://www.brasschecktv.
com/page/238.html

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent: "When a judge says something looks like a violation of Federal law, they generally know, and only a foolish prosecutor would disregard such an opinion,"
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What was said or seen that automatically made Judge Alsup look up & notice & prompted him to file a complaint IMMEDIATELY? What was this apparent & obvious red flag & sign that he read immediately?

Do you even know? What was this obvious violation of Federal Law that was seen from the Civil lawsuits?

poopoo said...

"Dorean didn't go as smoothly as I would have liked because people I thought I could count on lacked the substance I thought they possessed"


People were counting on you for the substance, Kurt. It was you who let them down. Everyone was counting on the Dorean principals to come through with the substance, and when things didn't go smoothly, it was always something the Dorean principals did or didn't do that caused the ruffle. Always.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Gashler posted: "What was said or seen that automatically made Judge Alsup look up & notice & prompted him to file a complaint IMMEDIATELY? What was this apparent & obvious red flag & sign that he read immediately?

Do you even know? What was this obvious violation of Federal Law that was seen from the Civil lawsuits?
"

Come on, Byron. You should have a copy of the Kenney ruling. Read it for yourself.

What part of the civil ruling are you confused about?

notorial dissent said...

Poor rearend, always a day late and a clue short.

quoting Kurt "Dorean didn't go as smoothly as I would have liked because people I thought I could count on lacked the substance I thought they possessed"
Since Kurt has already made the elaborate statement that he doesn’t need or count on anyone else but himself, then he obviously is referring back to himself, which is probably one of the few true things he has said throughout this entire morass of lies.

Moogey tries again, and fails What was said or seen that automatically made Judge Alsup look up & notice & prompted him to file a complaint IMMEDIATELY? What was this apparent & obvious red flag & sign that he read immediately?
Let’s see, Moogs, does the phrase civil trial ring any bells with you, you know that little incident where they paraded their fraud in front of a Federal judge, who not only dismissed their cases with prejudice, but had their lawyer sanctioned for abuse of process and violation of canons. That little episode, where the whole thing was dismissed for fraud, and referred to the prosecutor for review, that little incident. You just don’t seem to get it Moogs, you don’t go into any court and hand over evidence of (having committed) multiple acts of fraud and not expect something to happen.

near the end said...

I think N D is a mad x client.

notorial dissent said...

Careful rearend, you used the "t" word when we all know it doesn't apply to you, and you do such a bad attempt at it when you try.

Go back to playing with the few marbles you have left and leave the adults alone.

neodemes said...

Unless they find a cure for the terminally stupid, rearend won't be with us much longer.

Good thing they can't figure out how to reproduce, eh?

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent: Judge Alsup dismissed the Civil cases filed by Dorean & called it a scam, & said something like "worse faith could not be imagined," or something to that effect. I understand all of this, but that still doesn't tell me what specifically the Judge noticed in those Civil cases, or even the Kenny case that IMMEDIATELY THREW UP A RED FLAG & made him so sure that fraud was being committed by the Dorean Group, so he'd better refer this perceived scam over to the US Attorney to investigate. What specifically did Judge Alsup want the United States attorney to investigate or see?

near the end said...

yeah, yeah you guys are just jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "evidence of (having committed) multiple acts of fraud"
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So you're saying, "commissions of multiple acts of fraud" was what was seen by Judge Alsup & the Grand Jury? Why were the Dorean Group convicted of only CONSPIRACY to commit bank fraud, mail fraud & wire fraud then if there were ACTUAL COMMISSIONS OF FRAUD ACTS as you say prior to the criminal trial.

As I remember the Civil cases were alleged by Judge Alsup to be about extorting monies from the banks by "friviolous lawsuits" without merit, in order to induce the banks to settle the civil law suits? What does this alleged extortion have to do with what was seen by the Grand Jury to induce them to indict & what the Dorean Group was actually indicted & criminally convicted with, which was conspiracy counts mostly entailing mail & wire fraud? Why wasn't the Dorean Group then charged with extortion in the criminal trial? Why wasn't attorney Spielbauer disbarred? It seems to me that the issues are all different , so how can anyone say with certainty exactly what Judge Alsup saw if he saw anything of relevance?

If the Civil cases were about the banks being tresspassed upon, why was the criminal case more about the Dorean clients being the victims of the Dorean Process & no bank victims came to testify?

Since the banks weren't injured since all the bank fraud charges were dropped, & bank fraud was never proven, or banks damages never assessed with validation, or even attempted to be proven, doesn't that make the Civil case rulings even more in doubt as their legitimacy since the Civil cases were more about the banks alleged injuries & costs caused by the Dorean process?

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent, What do you mean by " violation of canons "?

notorial dissent said...

Moogs tries again, with the usual result Judge Alsup dismissed the Civil cases filed by Dorean & called it a scam, .....
Oh, I don’t know Moogs, could have been the fraudulent documents claiming the property had been released when it hadn’t, the false POA from the lenders, there was so much to choose from, all of it illegal and fraud, and fraud admitted to in open court. The fact that the judge called it a scam to begin with might have been a clue that he saw something wrong. I would suspect the judge was expecting the US Attorney to look into what was going on, and they apparently thought there was enough wrong to pass it over to the FBI who completed the investigation, which incidently is what they are for, who in turn gave it back to the US Attorney who then took it to a grand jury and got an indictment.

Not being privy to the deliberations at the DOJ, I have no idea why they chose the charges they did, my personal opinion is that they took the ones with the most bang for the buck. They don’t have to charge with everything they come across, and if some of the charges will result in longer jail time than others and are as easily provable, then why waste time on small potatoes when there is caviar to be had, and I would say 30 years a pop for what they were charged with was certainly caviar. Anyone sane would have taken a plea, so dim and dimmer rolled the dice and lost big time and can count on spending the remainder of their lives in jail now.

Your memory, as usual, is poor. The fraud was in attempting to defraud the lenders by use of fraudulent documents. They were stupid enough to think they could get away with it in court, and it didn’t happen.

Your recollection of what the cases were about is convenient and wrong. Your assumptions are as faulty as your logic. The Dorean clients were defrauded by Dorean, for a process that didn’t and couldn’t work, and it was done using the mails and wire, so it became a Federal matter. The bank fraud charges were dropped because they didn’t need them with the other charges they had. They were dropped Moogs, not dismissed, they can be refiled at any time and are still viable, so the point is moot.

As to Spielbauer's fate, they may well still be investigating him for his other earlier peccadillos as well as any he has since committed, there is no time line on when they have to take action on something, so they do it at their own pace.

Moogey went on What do you mean by " violation of canons "?
as in ethics and responsibilities, something you are woefully ignorant of.

why you do that? said...

HONEST JUDGE BEAN:



Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home

Judge gives Utah woman 1 day to finish enrollment




A homeschooling mom in Utah has been ordered by a judge to enroll her children in a public school district within 24 hours, and have them in class tomorrow, all because of a paperwork glitch that very well could be the fault of the district.

The mother, Denise Mafi, told NEWS that she already has enrolled her children in the district, under the threat from Judge Scott Johansen, who serves in the juvenile division of the state's 7th Judicial District, that he would order her children taken away from her.

As NEWS has reported previously, such threats are becoming more and more common in Germany, but that nation still lives by a Nazi-era law that makes homeschooling illegal.

Mafi told NEWS that not only is homeschooling legal in Utah, she's been at it for nearly a decade.

So what's the problem here?

It seems that an affidavit she faxed to the local school district for the 2006-2007 school year, documenting her homeschooling plans, was lost by the district. So when she went to court with her juvenile son to have the charges dismissed (under a case held in abeyance procedure) stemming from a clash among children, she suddenly was presented with four counts against her for failing to comply with the state's compulsory education requirement.

(Story continues below)

She thought she was meeting the court's demands earlier when she enrolled her two youngest children in classes, and put her two older children in an online curriculum connected to the public school.

"Well everything fell apart in court today. I had to enroll my two oldest in public school. They start on Monday. If I didn't the judge said I would lose custody of my children. He threw out the plea and we go to trial on January 9th. I have NO CHANCE with this judge. He will find me guilty. He already has. So I will probably be spending some time in jail. Please pray for my children," she noted in an online forum connected to a "Five In A Row" homeschool curriculum she had used when her children were younger.

She said her public defender had reached a plea agreement she thought would be satisfied by her action, an agreement hammered out with the prosecutor. However, the judge rejected everything, she told NEWS.

"It is a long story but basically it boils down to the school district says I didn't file my homeschool affidavit last year. I faxed it to the school district office on Oct. 27, 2006. Somehow it was lost. I have my copy," she said on the forum.

"The judge is very anti-homeschooling. Stated last week that homeschool was a failure. I am a total nervous wreck," she said.

She is part of the Utah Home Education Association and she was seeking advice from that organization, but officials could not be reached Friday or Saturday by NEWS. She is not a member of the international organization concerned with homeschooling called Home School Legal Defense Association, but a spokesman for the organization told WND officials were reviewing the situation, and the initial reaction was that the prosecution of the woman was simply outrageous.

Mafi also told NEWS that the judge's other demands are that her children are not allowed to miss school unless they have a notice from a doctor, and the judge initially wanted to issue an order that she was not allowed to move out of his jurisdiction for two years.

"This is all because the school district says they never received my 2006-2007 homeschool affidavit. I have a copy of the signed affidavit. I have already received my exemption for the 2007-2008 school year," she said.

A NEWS call to the prosecutor in the case did not get a response, nor did other judicial officials respond to inquiries about the situation.

Mafi told NEWS the worst part is that because it is a misdemeanor, Utah law does not allow her to demand a jury trial. But it also carries with it a maximum penalty of six months in jail, on each of the four charges.

She said she had received a confirmation the fax to the school was received when she sent it, but likes to clean out her paperwork before the start of a new school year, and apparently had disposed of it.

She said she has asked her public defender to work on a complaint against the judge and she's trying to raise funds to have a private lawyer continue her case.

"If it was any other person in the state, they can put their children in an online public school and it's acceptable," she told NEWS. "I can't do it. I cannot pull my children out and put them in a private school of my choice."

"He [the judge] just does not want them under my supervision," she said.

Mafi said the state has made no allegation of education neglect, and her children are performing work at grade level. But she objects to the public schools' anti-Christian world view, she said.

As NEWS has reported, German authorities operating under the law stemming from Hitler's desire to control the minds of youth have ruled not only that homeschooling is a basis for child endangerment charges, but a local government was remiss in allowing a mother to take her two children to another country where homeschooling is legal.

The recent decision from the Federal High Court in Karlsruhe, Germany's highest court, was reported by the German edition of Agence France-Presse as well as Netwerk Bildungsfreiheit, an advocacy organization for Germans who wish to homeschool.

Now the organization is noting the similarities with earlier court rulings, when Adolf Hitler was in power.

A ruling from the State Court in Hamburg dated 1936 pointed to "endangerment of the mental wellbeing of children, who would have been denied participation in the national community�," a premise that corresponds to the recent Federal Supreme Court decision, the group said.

"Only the words have been chosen somewhat differently by the Supreme Court in order to conceal the fascist spirit of the decision," the analysis said.

"It is quite chilling that the reasons stated by the authorities and courts in child custody terminations in Hitler's regime � correspond in their spirit exactly to the decision recently rendered by the Federal Supreme Court," the analysis said.

It said what courts used to call the "national community" now is the "public" and what was "participation in the national community" now has been called a justified interest in "counteracting the formation of religiously or ideologically characterized parallel societies and integrating minorities in this area."

The analysis found that the "National Socialist (Nazi) regime" specifically targeted members of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization, including the State Court in Hamburg decision from 1936 in which judges found: "Custody rights shall be terminated for parents who, as fanatical Bible students, cannot rear their children in accordance with today's State and because this endangers the mental wellbeing of the children, who are thereby prevented from participating in the national community."

Hundreds of children were taken from their families for reasons no more important than they failed to sing Nazi songs with others, the analysis noted.

"Authorities, who interpreted the civil code according to their national socialist legal notions, considered it beyond question that the childrearing practices of Jehovah's Witnesses was 'endangerment of child welfare' and 'mental and moral neglect,'" the analysis said.

NEWS has reported previously how German officials targeted an American family of Baptist missionaries for deportation because they belong to a group that refuses "to give their children over to the state school system."

A teenager, Melissa Busekros, also returned to her family months after German authorities took her from her home and forcibly detained her in a psychiatric facility for being homeschooled.

And NEWS has reported on other families facing fines, frozen bank accounts and court-ordered state custody of their children for resisting Germany's mandatory public school requirements, which by government admission are assigned to counter "the rise of parallel societies that are based on religion or motivated by different world views."

In the case involving Melissa, a German appeals court ultimately ordered legal custody of the teenager, who was taken from her home by a police squad and detained in a psychiatric hospital for being homeschooled be returned to her family because she no longer is in danger.

The lower court's ruling had ordered police officers to take Melissa – then 15 – from her home, if necessary by force, and place her in a mental institution for a variety of evaluations. She was kept in custody from early February until April, when she turned 16 and under German law was subject to different laws.

At that point she simply walked away from the foster home where she had been required to stay and returned home.

Wolfgang Drautz, consul general for the Federal Republic of Germany, has commented on the issue on a blog, noting the government "has a legitimate interest in countering the rise of parallel societies that are based on religion or motivated by different world views and in integrating minorities into the population as a whole."

Drautz said homeschool students' test results may be as good as for those in school, but "school teaches not only knowledge but also social conduct, encourages dialogue among people of different beliefs and cultures, and helps students to become responsible citizens."

The German government's defense of its "social" teachings and mandatory public school attendance was clarified during an earlier dispute on which WND reported, when a German family wrote to officials objecting to police officers picking their child up at home and delivering him to a public school.

"The minister of education does not share your attitudes toward so-called homeschooling," said a government letter in response. "... You complain about the forced school escort of primary school children by the responsible local police officers. ... In order to avoid this in future, the education authority is in conversation with the affected family in order to look for possibilities to bring the religious convictions of the family into line with the unalterable school attendance requirement."

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "They were dropped Moogs, not dismissed, they can be refiled at any time and are still viable, so the point is moot."

"The bank fraud charges were dropped because they didn’t need them with the other charges they had."
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Hell will freeze over first before the bank fraud charges will ever appear again & much less be proven in court.

The bank fraud charges were dropped because they didn't need them with the other charges? Give me a break!!! We're they too stupid they couldn't figure that out when they originally filed the charges that they wouldn't need them? At least the prosecution realized they didn't prove any contempt of court & at least had the sense to drop that before it went to the jury & the jury convicted on that too. Course the prosecution didn't prove any charges with facts and validation & rule of law.

Look for a reversal of all charges on appeal or in the alternative that Kurt & Scott go free. Your explanation makes no sense!

Yea, and the State of Utah is going to prove the "insurance fraud" too down the road by renewing the charges & prove that they were both fugitives too & Spielbauer will be disbarred & more agents & clients will be indicted in the future, and the FBI investigation is not complete. What a bunch of hogwash!!!! I'm not holding my breath on any of that either. LOL

Might be more like "double jeopardy" if the State of Utah charges come up again. Course bringing up the charges again, would be a violation of the speedy trial statute too I would think. Courts have time frames they go by, or maybe you don't know that & there is something called, "statute of limitations".

You're gonna have to do better than that. If there is no bank fraud, there is no victim. If there is no victim, since NONE CAME FORWARD WITH TESTIOMONY, there is no scam & Judge Alsup judged prematurely. If there is no scam, there can't be any mail or wire fraud.
The clients CAN'T be the victim according to the wording of the mail fraud statutes. It's a very narrow interpretation or narrow fraud that is being talked about in the statute & the Dorean clients don't fit it. There can't be any conspiracy against the UNITED STATES either unless you show the contractual relationship the banks have with the UNITED STATES. The UNITED STATES were the ones that brought the criminal charges, so they lack jurisdiction because they are not the victim or the injured party. So sorry for your understanding. The trial still remains a bad joke & an embarassment for those that brought it to pass.

notorial dissent said...

Moogey’s mouth is moving so nonsense is driveling out Hell will freeze over first before the bank fraud charges will ever appear again & much less be proven in court.
There is no point in filing them now, since they have been convicted on stiffer charges. They are going to jail for a very long time, so no point in reinventing the wheel here.

more Moogey nonsense We're they too stupid they couldn't figure that out when they originally filed the charges that they wouldn't need them?
No, Moogs, they decided they didn’t need them and that they would get enough time on the fraud charges they had, and they were right. There is no requirement that they file on anything but what they feel like filing on.

more Moogey nonsense t least the prosecution realized they didn't prove any contempt of court & at least had the sense to drop that before it went to the jury & the jury convicted on that too.
The contempt charge was from the court, not the prosecution, and was a separate matter, again gilding the lily, why go for minor charges when the bigger ones already carry a long sentence.

more Moogey nonsense Course the prosecution didn't prove any charges with facts and validation & rule of law.
Strange, the jury seemed to think so. They’re still in jail, so it must have carried some weight.

more Moogey nonsense Look for a reversal of all charges on appeal or in the alternative that Kurt & Scott go free.
To quote your first statement, “Hell will freeze over first”.

more Moogey nonsense Yea, and the State of Utah is going to prove the "insurance fraud" too down the road by renewing the charges
Why should they bother, dim and dimmer are going to be gone for a very long time, so why should Utah waste money on a trial when they won’t be out in this lifetime.

more Moogey nonsense Might be more like "double jeopardy" if the State of Utah charges come up again. Course bringing up the charges again, would be a violation of the speedy trial statute too I would think.
Your stupendous legal knowledge is showing again. "double jeopardy" only applies if there had been a trial, there wasn’t, same with speedy trial. Until the statute of limitations rings, they can be tried on any of the charges Utah had, or can find since then. Yes, there you go thinking again, keeps getting you in trouble and just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

more Moogey nonsense If there is no bank fraud, there is no victim. I
Since bank fraud was not part of the trial your nonsense is irrelevant. Dim and dimmer were charged with using the mails and wires to commit fraud, and that was all that was required to bring the Feds into it and the crimes were proven in court. There was nothing to do with the banks as far as the prosecution was concerned, so you can quit trying to bring it up. It was not part of the prosecution. The actual acts of fraud were, and the jury saw the evidence and convicted based on it. Your trying to make the trial into something it wasn’t about will not change the verdict or the inevitable outcome. They were convicted, they are going to go to jail and all your whining will not change that.

near the end said...

notorial dissent, Your an idiot where did you learn to spell. I'm just a rich dirt farmer and can spell better than you. What a Dick.

I bet you sit down to pee.

near the end said...

notorial dissent, Your an idiot where did you learn to spell. I'm just a rich dirt farmer and can spell better than you. What a Dick.

I bet you sit down to pee.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

near the end said...
notorial dissent, Your an idiot where did you learn to spell. I'm just a rich dirt farmer and can spell better than you. What a Dick.





The correct word to use Near The End is "You're" instead of "your".

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "double jeopardy" only applies if there had been a trial,
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My mistake. I forgot the States like Utah have the right to indict on false charges just to harrass & not give a defendant their right to a fair & timely trial to clear a persons reputation. LOL

In the very least, that's "abuse of legal process", the same things that Judge Alsup felt about the Civil lawsuits that Dorean filed.

Thanks for admitting that & proving that through your responses.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "There was nothing to do with the banks as far as the prosecution was concerned, so you can quit trying to bring it up."
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I agree. "There was nothing to do with the banks", so count #1 was moot AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRICKEN FROM THE ALLEGATIONS.

You can't have CONSPIRACY to commit bank fraud, when the conspiracy "HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BANKS".

We finally agree on something.

near the end said...

Hey Swami; does it really matter how you spell if your rich and don't have to work anymore. I mean who cares.

why you do that? said...

http://youtube.com/
watch?v=ZWQfcGSkeNU

notorial dissent said...

swami, don’t be too hard on rearend, at least he got most of the letters right, which is better than usual.

and Moogey proves once again that he is a failure at law as well as real estate I forgot the States like Utah have the right to indict on false charges just to harrass & not give a defendant their right to a fair & timely trial to clear a persons reputation.
They have a right to indict on charges they think they can prove, that’s what an indictment is Moogems, they also have the right to drop the charges when a superceding or superior indictment comes along, they could just as easily left them in place and waited their turn for the Fed trial to end. In this case a Federal Indictment takes precedence. If they still want to they can take them to trial after the Fed’s get done with them, but why bother when they will be going away for a whole lot longer on the Fed charges, and at Federal expense. If the Feds hadn’t stepped in they would have proceeded with the state charges, and probably added a number of others as they completed the investigation.

and futher evidence In the very least, that's "abuse of legal process",
No, numbnutz, it is called legal process. They were properly indicted, and would have gone to trial if the Feds hadn’t stepped in.

and yet more proof You can't have CONSPIRACY to commit bank fraud, when the conspiracy "HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BANKS".
Let’s see, where they tried on conspiracy to commit bank fraud, No, I guess they weren’t, so again a non starter. They were tried on mail and wire fraud charges, and that was all.

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...
stillwaiting3; Why dont you ask Scott from vineland that question.


Hey Scott you dumbass Mr. mortgage broker you got a good answer for him?

3:38 PM

Actually, I HAVE wanted to address stillwaiting's comments but have just been too darn busy creating vapor money these last few days to respond. Stillwaiting, if you'll bear with me I will try to address your comments from home tonight, based on my own experience working for a mortgage banker (I am not a mortgage BROKER as dumbass NTE seems to think). Hey, Richey Redneck... do you even know the difference?

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...
Hey Swami; does it really matter how you spell if your rich and don't have to work anymore. I mean who cares.

10:33 AM

Show of hands, please...How many people really believe that NTE is wealthy?

Scott from Vineland said...

I mean is dirt farming really that profitable? Maybe I need to switch scams!

near the end said...

OH yeah when you own 72 pieces of equipment and 95% of it is on the job. Yeah your pretty wealthy dude .

I failed grammer to. All I had to pass was DOT shit.

neodemes said...

rearended sez:
"All I had to pass was DOT shit."

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Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

why you do that? said...

but have just been too darn busy creating vapor money these last few days to...



LOL! keep creating vapor money, because soon thats all you will be creating.

NO MONEY, JUST VAPORS!!

all the banks are broke.




December 15, 2007


(LPAC)--Auditors are in a tough spot these post-Enron days, with the demise of Arthur Andersen on everyone's mind. If the auditors refuse to rubber-stamp the banks' fictitious valuations, the banks collapse,-- but if the auditors allow the fiction, they run the risk of being severely punished for malfeasance down the road. Hence the suggestion by Ernst & Young Item Club
's Peter Spencer in today's London Telegraph, that the British "government must suspend a set of key banking regulations at the heart of the current financial crisis, or risk seeing the economy spiral towards a future that could `make 1929 look like a walk in the park'."

Spencer tries to blunt the clear meaning of his statement, by claiming that the banks are refusing to lend to each other, not because they are insolvent, but rather that they are being prevented from lending to each other by overly restrictive government regulations! The regulations he blames are the capital requirements set by the international Basel agreements, which require the banks to have an 8 percent capital reserve, which Spencer said should be cut to about 6 percent.

In reality, the idea that a mere 2 percent reduction in capital requirements would head off a crisis that would make 1929 look like a "walk in the park," is absurd, as both Spencer and the Telegraph know. What the auditors are really saying, is that the banks are already insolvent, and that the capital requirements must be lowered so that the auditors can continue to certify their books. Which is only an indirect way of admitting the banks are indeed insolvent, despite his denial.

www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/12/15/banks-are-insolvent-so-ease-rules-auditor-says.html

near the end said...

Bruce I got ya again. Damn your to easy.

near the end said...

Scott your real name is "Scott the scammer."

Scott from Vineland said...

stillwaiting3-
OK, if you refinanced with a new lender (or even if you refied through Chase), the proceeds from that new loan paid off the old Chase loan. Chase should return both your original Note, marked "Paid in Full" and also the original security instrument (the Mortgage or Deed of Trust, depending on your state), also marked "Paid in Full" or "Satisfied" AND cancelled of record with the clerk or register of your county. You have a right to get both of these items back. Sometimes in lieu of the original security instrument, you may get a recorded document called a Cancellation or Satisfaction of Security Instrument. Nothing tricky going on there... main thing is that the security instrument is cancelled of record.

But you want your original Note back and you should be able to get it. I can tell you right off the bat that you were dealing with an idiot at Chase because nobody ever destroys or discards the original Note after seven years. Not even after 27 years. Most lenders do keep the "base file" for only about 7 years because that's what the law requires. But the collateral documents, being your Note, security instrument and usually the title policy, they keep for as long as there is outstanding principal on the loan.

why you do that? said...

Whats a scambag?

Scott from Vineland said...

cont-
Next question is probably "WHERE do they keep these collateral docs"? That depends. The company that ends up owning the servicing rights to your loan (i.e. collects your payments) typically does one of two things: If your loan is a jumbo loan amount, which I think is currently anything over $487K+/-, they cannot sell the Note to any of the agencies or GSO's, so they will portfolio it. They hold the Note themselves, usually either in their own vaults or with a custodian. If your loan is a conforming amount (not a jumbo loan), they will sell the Note (i.e. the indebtedness) in a pool with many other Notes to GSO (FNMA or FHLMC) or to GNMA if you have an FHA or VA loan but they retain the servicing rights (that is, the right to collect your payments). Despite what many on this board would have you believe, this does NOT constitute fraud because your lender had you sign a disclosure that your loan may be transferred. (If they did NOT have you sign such a disclosure, they violated federal law and you may have a valid case.) In this case, Fannie, Freddie or Ginnie holds the Note.

Scott from Vineland said...

Quote-
"I explained to her that if they have the original and in there records now that the note is paid off I have nothing for my records saying that it is paid and I have no debt to Chase. I also explained that I now have what appears to be an open debt with Chase and my new mortgage company."
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This will APPEAR to be the case but only until such time as the old security instument is cancelled of record. Six months seems a little long but this depends on the efficiency of your local clerk or register's office. The attorney or title company, if they are diligent, will not allow the old security instrument to go uncancelled because they are liable to the new lender to insure their lien position.

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"New mortgage company gets a call tomorrow for a copy of the signed note by me and them"
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Absolutely. You shouldn't even have to ask for this, the closing or settlement agent should have given you copies of EVERYTHING you signed. If they did not, they were lax in their duties. Granted, the Note has usually not been endorsed by the lender at that point. Getting a copy with the signed endorsement on it may take a while and you definitely won't get it unless you specifically ask but you should be able to get a copy if you're persistent.

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"Chase rep kept saying that the loan was sold to them."
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You should remember who you originally took the loan out with... was it Chase or someone else? Not that it really matters, if someone else sold it to Chase, I promise the original lender sent them the original Note. They wouldn't get paid otherwise.

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"I don't expect to see the original but I am not going to stop asking and filing paperwork for it."
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Hold Chase's feet to the fire. No reason whatsoever they should not provide your cancelled Note.

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"Yes, my initial company said that they sell 98% of the loans. No problem but new contract. Oh yeah, the Chase Rep said they are only servicing the loan. So my rights to pay to the original company was given away to Chase and yet again without a contract between us."
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It's not a "new contract". It's the same contract entered into under your Note, only transferred to a new lender just as they dislosed to you they were likely to do. Your rights to pay the original company were SOLD to Chase. Trust me, they don't give stuff like that away.

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"I wonder if Wells Fargo, Washington Mutual Bank and other will call me and say I have to pay them as well. I don't have a legal doc with them either." ___________________________________
Now you're just being silly.

Scott from Vineland said...

why you do that? said...
Whats a scambag?

7:54 PM

I give... Whats a scambag?

Scott from Vineland said...

why you do that? said...
LOL! keep creating vapor money, because soon thats all you will be creating.

NO MONEY, JUST VAPORS!!

all the banks are broke.
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It's funny. I keep hearing about the banks being broke but, oddly enough, most of them continue to wire us money every day to purchase the loans we close. I guess nobody has told them yet how broke they are.

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland: You missed the point entirely! The banks are broke because they have violated the capital reserve requirements. They still have capital reserves so aren't technically insolvent, so making loans is still possible, so getting loans funded is no surprise, but since they have gone lower than what the law requires, they are in effect bankrupt according to the current regulations.

I suppose a regulator could shut a bank like that down if he wanted to, but how popular would that be, especially if it was a very large bank?

Countrywide was close to bankruptcy too, but luckily they got an injection of cash. Wonder how long they will last as a household name?

notorial dissent said...

Moogie prattles on oblivious to reality You missed the point entirely! The banks are broke because they have violated the capital reserve requirements. They still have capital reserves so aren't technically insolvent, so making loans is still possible, so getting loans funded is no surprise, but since they have gone lower than what the law requires, they are in effect bankrupt according to the current regulations.

You really are clueless aren’t you. You have no idea what capital reserve requirements are, what the law is or anything else, do you? The above is just plain nonsense. Banks and thrifts are heavily regulated, and heavily audited, the larger their loan portfolios the more they are audited. The bank regulators watch very closely for any violation of reserve requirements and equity balances, they don’t violate reserve requirement and stay in business, they get closed. The other thing you fail to grasp, is that all financial institutions have to report to two to three different groups to stay legal, they also have to issue public financial statements on a quarterly basis, so there is no way they are going to be able hide being “insolvent” for more than a very short time. The same does not apply to mortgage companies and the like, they don’t have to follow the same guidelines, and can make loans a bank cannot. One of the reasons some of them are in big trouble right now.

and he comes up with another one I suppose a regulator could shut a bank like that down if he wanted to, but how popular would that be, especially if it was a very large bank?

You suppose, are you completely oblivious to reality. What do you think the regulators are there for? Did you sleep through the 80's when the comptroller and the FDIC and FSLIC closed banks and savings and loans right and left? Did you somehow miss out on that little episode where hundreds of banks and savings and loans were closed all over the country? They not only can but do shut them down every day. They are usually sold to other bigger banks, but they do shut them down one way or another.

a broken clock is right twice a day, two more times than Moogey any time recently Countrywide was close to bankruptcy too, but luckily they got an injection of cash. Wonder how long they will last as a household name?

This is the only thing you have said that has even come close to reality.

Way to go Moogie, you just keep proving how totally clueless and out of it you really are.

near the end said...

Since Kurt and Scott are in prison now; I wonder why " SCOTT THE SCAMMER'NEO THE CLUELESS,and NOTORIAL DISSENT THE DICKLESS are even on this blog? HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

near the end said...

Have you all noticed how much like a broken record N.D. sounds like.

near the end said...

Hmmm; What shall I do today go Hunting or Fishing. Hey I no I'll do both.

near the end said...

Hmmm; What shall I do today go Hunting or Fishing. Hey I no I'll do both.

near the end said...

Hmmm; What shall I do today go Hunting or Fishing. Hey I no I'll do both.

near the end said...

Hmmm; What shall I do today go Hunting or Fishing. Hey I no I'll do both.

near the end said...

Hmmm; What shall I do today go Hunting or Fishing. Hey I no I'll do both.

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...
Have you all noticed how much like a broken record N.D. sounds like.

4:24 AM __________________________________
Hey, look! It appears that NTE may have an actual sense of humor.

Scott from Vineland said...

near the end said...
Since Kurt and Scott are in prison now; I wonder why " SCOTT THE SCAMMER'NEO THE CLUELESS,and NOTORIAL DISSENT THE DICKLESS are even on this blog? HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!

4:19 AM
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I can't speak for Neo or ND but the main reason I continue to post here is to bust your balls, Richey! Be careful not to shoot yourself or fall out of your boat today.

Scott from Vineland said...

I started to define ad nauseum for NTE but then I remembered he don't care nuthin fer no book-learnin.

near the end said...

I pay someone to read for me.

notorial dissent said...

Yes, but who do you pay to move their lips for you on the big words?

near the end said...

Are you kiddin I don't use big words.

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