Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Anonymous

Judge Not

I am both saddened and angered by the responses of some of you “so-called Christians” who are so critical of Kurt & Scott. Christ came to save the world, not condemn it. Christians are not to set in judgment of other Christians or anyone else. The Bible teaches us not to judge or we will be judged in like manner.

When I met Kurt in February of 2005, the Lord showed me his heart as a true believer in Christ. God confirmed to me that both Kurt and Scott were doing what God had shown them to do and God wanted me to walk with them. My meeting with Kurt confirmed what I had already learned about the fraud in the system and now here was someone commissioned by God to attack it.

When you study the Bible, you will find that all the great leaders chosen by God had to walk a hard walk. Some leaders lived a desert life for a season. Others, such as King David, were forced to hide and live in caves until their appointed time of leadership. Still others were imprisoned for preaching the truth.

I have learned much from Dorean and their light has been dimmed but not put out. History will soon confirm the Dorean story. We should all emulate them as they have publicly forgiven their enemies including the judge.


Dear Scott and Kurt,

We just want you to know that we love you and admire you for your stand ‘in’ Christ.

We understand that in all the sufferings you are going through it is ‘all’ for the Glory of God ‘in’ His only Son Jesus.

When I pray or think about what you have been through, the pain of deception and lies told, the evil ploys of men to hide their sins from the world……..it makes me ashamed. But these lies are an open book to our God.

The sufferings of this life only increase our rewards in heaven and magnify His Holiness upon the earth.

There are many people, as soon as they hear about soldiers in God’s army, when crucified by men of this world, turn their backs and begin to gossip and backbite, stomping upon the head of a fellow Christian. They say stupid stuff like: Oh! he must be out of the will of God for this to happen’ or they begin to gossip with others about ‘what they heard’ saying things like: ‘How can they be right with God and this happen to them?’ or ‘I am going to totally and completely disassociate myself from them….I do not want my name tarnished’ or ‘They must have done something wrong to be incarcerated’.

How naive Christians become when trials come. Do they not remember the scriptures how Jesus said we would be persecuted, tried/tested and lied about; as He was? Have we forgotten that Jesus warned us about the deceivers and false prophets; how the Disciples/Apostles were crucified, exiled, beaten and falsely accused for the cause of CHRIST.

Scriptures like: (All scriptures emphasized by me for clarity)

John 15:20

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for My name’s sake, because they know not Him that sent Me.

Matthew 10:19-22

But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what you shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what you shall speak. For it is not you that speaks, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you. And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And you shall be hated of all men for My name’s sake: but he that endues to the end shall be saved.

I am amazed at how quickly we forget the Word when our Christian brothers and sisters are crucified for Christ…..so many act like ostriches, which bury their heads in the sand….God will have no wimps in His army!

Back in 2001 the Lord told me of seven (7) sins that were raging in the church; He also gave me (7) promises if the ‘church’ would repent and come back to their ‘first Love’. Listen to His words:
A WORD FROM THE HEART OF GOD-2001

My desire, says the Lord, is to fellowship with you. But there must be a cleansing of the temple. The abominations must be exposed; 1) gossiping, 2) backbiting, 3) double mindedness, 4) slothfulness, 5) envy, 6) strife, 7) high-mindedness.

My house must once again become a House of Prayer. 1) Humble yourself before me and I, your Lord, will show you things to come. 2) Put away idle things that come between us. Talk to Me and I will answer. 3) Stay with Me and I will reveal Myself to you. 4) Set yourself apart and I will do mighty works through you.

5) Weep upon the altars and souls will be born into the Kingdom. 6) Worship Me and I will come and heal you, your church and your land. For in My presence all things consist and exist. I am the I AM, there is none like Me, 7) Worship Me and My presence will come and we will fellowship together once again.

GOD forgive us is my prayer!

Why do we allow the enemy to blind our mind and eyes when trouble comes? Why do we immediately assume ‘the Christian brother/sister’ is the one in the wrong? Why do we tear down our brothers/sisters instead of lifting them up? Why is it soooo easy to forget the Word of God that tells us what to do when one is in trouble.....Jesus being our supreme example?.....we are to LOVE them and PRAY for them:

John 13:5-12-15

After that He poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith He was girded……So after He had washed their feet, and had taken His garments, and was set down again, He said unto the, ‘Know you what I have done to you? You call Me Master and Lord; and you say well; for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; you also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you ‘an example’, that you should do as I have done to you….

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which You have given Me; for they are Thine. And all Mine are Thine, and Thine are Mine; and I am glorified in them.

Ephesians 4:1-6

….you walk worthy of the vocation wherewith you are called, with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in LOVE; endeavoring to keep the ‘unity’ of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Ephesians 6:18

Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for ALL saints.

James 5:13

Is any among you afflicted? Let him pray. Is any merry? Let him sing psalms. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he has committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Acts 12:5

Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto GOD for him.

There is so much more I could say, so many more scriptures I could give, but I think you get the message…..we are to ‘lift up’ our brothers and sisters not ‘go along with the crowd, stomping on them, gossiping, and crucifying them. We are to ‘listen’ to the Holy Spirit who will teach us what to say in that hour of persecution.

You want to hear of some other people/Christians that were put in jail, beaten, crucified for Christ sake: let us see if their being incarcerated brought glory to God:

1) Peter: thrown in jail….for the Gospel (Acts 12:1-17)

Results: Prayer brought Peter out supernaturally, increasing faith in believers.

2) Paul and Silas, beaten and thrown in jail.....for the Gospel (Acts 16:22-34)

Results: Jailer and all his family were saved and baptized; he also washed their wounds and fed them in his own home.

PS: Kurt/Scott: this verse is prophesized for you; be encouraged:

Acts 12:39:

And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, the magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace. But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? Nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out…….and they feared….and they came and besought them, and brought them out……

3) Steven stoned to death…..for the Gospel (Acts 7:48-60)

Results: Steven did three things: 1) Vision: saw Jesus ‘standing’ (not sitting) on the right hand of God. 2) Showed love of God by praying for their souls, 3) Saw truth; Jesus never leaves you nor forsakes you.

4) Job stripped of everything….what was his sin? He worshipped GOD (Job 1:12-22,2:7-10)
Results: (Job 42:10-16) – the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before; for all to see God’s amazing grace.

5) John exiled to the Isle of Patmos…..for preaching the Gospel (Rev 1:9)

Results: the Book of Revelation was written by the Holy Spirit through John for all to know the future of believers and non-believers…..what a love letter to us all.

6) John the Baptist……beheaded…..for preaching Truth (Mk 6:22-28)

Results: Souls are still being saved today because of his obedience.

7) Today: David and Linda, warriors in the faith, 18 years ago left their home and church in Brooklyn, NY to minister the gospel of Y’shua to the Jews in Israel. They have undergone severe persecution paralleling the ordeals of the early Christian church. David has had his back opened up many times from beatings; they have suffered threats and intimidation. Yet the gospel continues to go forward. (This is an excerpt from the website http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org.)

Results: Many converts including Jews and Arabs and Gentiles.

8) Today: Scott and Kurt, warriors in the faith, whom God has anointed to speak and reveal truth and deception; are bearing afflictions for the gospel of Christ. The FBI, who are not part of the United States of America Government, stormed into their establishment, guns drawn, threatening, and illegally took documents and emptied their checking account; They have been taken from their families and illegally incarcerated; transferring them from pillar to post to keep them from communicating with friends and family, etc.

Results: Many people will hear the Truth and it will set them free from debts they did not owe. People will learn the truth and bondages will be released so the kingdom work will increase and the glory of God will shine again across this nation and the whole world.

In the scripture the Lord tells us we must be willing to give up everything for Him. After what He did for us, I do not think that is asking too much, besides He is the One who owns everything on earth, under the earth and above the earth…..He created it all for His Glory.

Luke 14:26

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be My disciple. And whosoever does not bear his cross, and ‘come after’ Me, cannot be My disciple. (We are to pursue HIM!)

Several prophetic visions and Words have been shown to me throughout the years revealing this time. This generation will see greater things in God’s kingdom as He builds an impregnable army…..this army will have NO FEAR….but will be full of FAITH, POWER and AUTHORITY. Youth need ‘strong’ mentors…..people like you, Kurt and Scott…..people willing to stand for Truth and Holiness….people willing to step out of the norm and be radical for Christ; who was the greatest radical of all. (Below are excerpts from other prophetic words)
2002

I want to prepare you for battle, says the Lord. I will raise up an army, an army no man or demon of hell can stop. Another time He told me Do not to be concerned about the numbers because He was going to tear down what man built and build it back His way; where the gates of hell would not prevail.

Youth fear nothing but I will turn that to MY good. As the enemy comes in to hinder they will lift up the ‘SWORD’ for battle and run, run into it, believing ME to fight for them: ’The battle is MINE’, says the LORD, The Sword is raised and Victory is theirs!

Victory is in ME, I am the BEGINNING and the END. I AM ALPHA and OMEGA. I am, the I AM! Creation is mine, you are mine, now see MY SALVATION. See MY GLORY, See MY TRUTH!

They are strong and fearless and your faithfulness will usher in this stampede of Youth; This Army that CAN NOT be stopped…..‘FEAR NOT’..…They will hear, They will listen, They will March.

satan will be exposed in their eyes, and his chains will fall like dust to the ground.

January 16 2005

There are no wimps in this army. This army will be strong, pure and full of God’s righteousness…….this army is the Bride of Christ! (Prophetic Word) This army will be made up of the poor, maimed, torn, broken, and weak. This army will go in My Power, says the Lord, This army will heed My call. This army will listen to My voice. This army will march into the enemy’s camp without fear knowing…knowing who walks before them. For I the Lord am leading them. This army will not be turned by doubt or fear, for I am putting in them boldness, the same boldness I gave My servant Peter. The same anointing, the same mantle will cover them as covered the apostles and prophets of old.

Blessings will follow them, miracles will follow them. No mountain will be to high to climb…no valley to deep to go through. For they will be holding to My unchanging hand.

I am arming them….I am equipping them. They will march…they will follow…they will be victorious…climbing…climbing ever higher to see Me…

You see this will be My Bride…My Passionate Bride…My Bride without spot or wrinkle…My Bride pure and holy. My Bride who has prepared herself, adoring herself in pure white garments. Waiting…watching…longing for My appearing…the appearing of the promised Bridegroom.

About three years ago the Lord showed me something else; I have told very few about. He showed me this vision:
People ‘around’ the world ‘arm locked’, not hand in hand, but arm locked around the whole world. They were all in one accord, with one purpose and goal. They were in ‘perfect’ harmony worshipping and lifting Jesus higher and higher. At that time He will step out and call His Bride home.

Awesome! Can you see it? All are in one accord with one purpose and goal acclimating God and adoring Jesus. Totally surrendered in total worship to the Lamb of God, at the same time, will cause the Father to say ‘Go get Your children and bring them home.’ The scripture Jude 24 will be accomplished:

To Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy. To God our Savior, who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen
I pray this word encourages the both of you, for you have been obedient and God honors that and He will fight for you, He is standing in the gap for you today and everyday. Keep the faith as I know you both will knowing we stand our watch upon the wall, our swords drawn and our shield of faith raised on your behalf, guarding you against the enemy. I believe JESUS is about to radically, supernaturally invade the situation and we are all going to see a miraculous deliverance…………all will see JESUS high and lifted up.

John wrote this about Jesus: ……….we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (I John 2:1) and (I believe this can be applied to all immoralities) that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the Avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.
(I Thessalonians 4:6)

You are not alone, as ‘ol slu foot’ would have you believe; for as God showed the prophet Elijah when he thought he was alone (I Kings, chapter 19) that 7000 had not bowed…..Scott/Kurt I dare say that there are that many standing with you both.

May God’s overflowing strength and grace encourage you both everyday in everyway, granting you wisdom and direction to finish this part of your journey.

We love you both

32 comments:

BigO said...

very nice post Anonymous God bless you real good !!!

Kurt & Scott May GOD continue to Bless you both!!!!!

cant wait to see you both real soon

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP !!!!!!!!!

Scott from Vineland said...

Anonymous said...
I am both saddened and angered by the responses of some of you “so-called Christians” who are so critical of Kurt & Scott. Christ came to save the world, not condemn it. Christians are not to set in judgment of other Christians or anyone else. The Bible teaches us not to judge or we will be judged in like manner.

When I met Kurt in February of 2005, the Lord showed me his heart as a true believer in Christ. God confirmed to me that both Kurt and Scott were doing what God had shown them to do and God wanted me to walk with them. My meeting with Kurt confirmed what I had already learned about the fraud in the system and now here was someone commissioned by God to attack it.
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Your implication here seems to be that only negative observations constitute "sitting in judgement". Because YOU agree with Kurt, perhaps due to your own preconceived notions of "fraud in the system", YOUR judgement of him as a true believer and an instrument of God is valid or OK. But anyone who disagrees and has the audacity to vocalize their disagreement, you therefore deem a "so-called Christian". Do you not see your own hypocrisy, Anonymous? Anyone who claims that they never judge others needs to take a spiritual inventory, my friend.

dr. ira gilac said...

btw, did you check out what the logo gor the GRU is??????


anther YO GOTTA SEE THIS!!!!




the prez betr whach out!!!!


dis aitn da riddler he f*ckin' wit!!!

chekc out:


http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/GRU


look on the rght side where it has the sleeve emblem for the GRU!!!

TOO FUNNY!!!!

AND ITS THERE REAL LOGO!!!

dr. ira gilac said...

I am both saddened and angered by the responses of some of you “so-called Christians” who are so critical of Kurt & Scott. Christ came to save the world, not condemn it. Christians are not to set in judgment of other Christians or anyone else. The Bible teaches us not to judge or we will be judged in like manner.




and btw, while tinkgs are rapping up, after reading the last blog entry by Mr. J, i just want to say, that as anonymous OR ottherwise, i can forcefully an truthfully say that i have never made not even one critical comment on this blog or any other re: the prinicpals of the DG or the fatherly type "admin" of DG.


and when i say "forcefully" speaking, i mean that i could go 'toe to toe' looking at them in the pupils of there eyes and say it...just like 2 boxers at the weigh in when they are 'face to face' staring each other down....i could do the same w/o blinking and say that my conscious is clear...stare em' down...nothing to fear...

dr. ira gilac said...

in fact, you could go look at every single post that i EVER made over 3 years and i would sleep good at nite knowing that you wold not find anyting derogatory that ive said...ever.

dr. ira gilac said...

that i have never made not even one



OOOPS!!! just poofread it...double negatives....


it should read:

"....i have never made EVEN ONE..."

dr. ira gilac said...

for those who are in the DG, yo all really shouhd hook up and listen to sam kendy on RBC intanet radio...becoss even if yo get yo meony from a hyip, yo still want to get out from unfer the BEAST©


the only way to really do that is to become sovereign...and kendy will help yo do tath.

and he a christian and usses the bible...

never argue with your adversary lest they take yo into court of baal and judge yo..


just tell em' "send me the bill" (invoice) and then do an AR on it... ACCEPTED FO VALUE then notarise it and send to dr. burnhanki...let him pay fo it.

mogel007 said...

The worsening of the financial crisis is yet to come. A big WHOPPER of a bank will fail in the next few months:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/
20080819/bs_nm/usa_banks_
crisis_dc

mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland:
I and many others don't have a problem with sitting in on someone in judgment. What I & others have a problem with is UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT THAT is rather obvious from some. Course I won't mention any names. I'll let their own consciences convict them.

mogel007 said...

"we are to ‘lift up’ our brothers and sisters not ‘go along with the crowd, stomping on them, gossiping, and crucifying them."
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It must be very difficult if not extremely uncomfortable TO SADISTICALLY ENJOY seeing someone fail when they UPLIFT AND ENCOURAGE YOU and when they truly show they care about you!

Yet there are some that still deep down enjoy this type of misfortune on others because of their unrighteous stand, which stand they defend until it's no longer defendable or even popular.

The "road less traveled" always takes more courage and more faith that what the world exhibits. Why others want to tear that type of courage & faith down, is surely a mystery to me, other than maybe it is a show of their own lack of character, lack of faith, and lack of courage in their own life or maybe they just don't possess enough of the Spririt of the Lord to see the truth, in which case, they live a life that is deceived by their own arrogance & their own pride. Such people can never understand the mysteries of the Lord because they don't have the openness and humility and child like faith that is required.

dr. ira gilac said...

Aug 18, 2008 7:37 pm

US/Pacific

Husband Of Slain Wife Enters Plea In Other Case
LOS ANGELES (CBS) ― The estranged husband of a woman stabbed to death in a Century City parking garage pleaded not guilty Monday in Los Angeles to a federal charge of operating an unlicensed money transmitting business.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Charles Eick ordered James Michael Fayed, 45, back to court on Sept. 15 for a status conference.

The trial is set to begin Sept. 30.

Deemed a flight risk, Fayed is being held without bail at the Metropolitan Detention Center.

Fayed's 44-year-old wife, Pamela, was killed July 28.

Fayed has not been charged in connection with the slaying, but prosecutors said in court documents that he is "the primary suspect" in her killing.

According to court documents filed by federal prosecutors, Pamela Fayed's criminal defense attorney notified prosecutors about a month before her slaying that she wanted to cooperate in a criminal probe into the businesses she owned with her estranged husband.

Prosecutors allege that the killer's getaway car had been rented with James Fayed's credit card, which police later found in his wallet.

Fayed was arrested Aug. 1 on a federal charge of operating an unlicensed money transmitting business.

James Fayed's attorney, Mark Werksman, has argued there was no evidence that his client's wife was cooperating with the government or, if she was, that his client knew about it.

Werksman also accused the government of presenting its case with hearsay and unsubstantiated allegations and said the real focus was the lone federal charge of operating an unlicensed money business.

In court papers, Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark Aveis wrote that James Fayed was likely to have been ordered to pay about $1 million in spousal support, attorney fees and court sanctions at a hearing set for July 29, the day after his wife was killed.

According to Aveis, Pamela Fayed told a close friend that her husband told her, "I could have you killed and my hands would be clean."

Pamela, the co-owner of the Camarillo-based Goldfinger Coin and Bullion Sales and an associated Internet firm, E-Bullion, was murdered about 6:35 p.m. July 28.

Witnesses said the woman was repeatedly stabbed by a slender man in his 20s who fled in an SUV as she screamed for help.

The business itself has been named as a defendant in the case.

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mogel007 said...

Scott from Vineland said: Your implication here seems to be that only negative observations constitute "sitting in judgement".
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And you think I'm obtuse?
No I don't think that's the point being discussed either. LOL

dr. ira gilac said...

Prosecutors allege that the killer's getaway car had been rented with James Fayed's credit card, which police later found in his wallet.




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of corse! i meen wuldnt yo go rent a car to kill somenone and than keep the card back in yo pockets???


natch....dat wha i wood do.....bet den again, i a genus....

dr. ira gilac said...

The worsening of the financial crisis is yet to come. A big WHOPPER of a bank will fail in the next few months:





yo can bet it wont be bake fo amrica....it a cia bank..maybe citiblank....dat wehre all those teefs dat story talk about got there doe....

and rubiks run dat bank...

Yetter said...

Mere mortals cannot conceive the simplicity of it all. After washing the feet of his disciples , Jesus said " I give you a new commandment,love one another as I loved you."

dr. ira gilac said...

http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/GRU


look on the rght side where it has the sleeve emblem for the GRU!!!





has anynone seen the emblem yet???


holy smoke robin!

judge allslop said...

The Global War for Energy just witnessed a serious counter-attack by Putin. He must have looked into the US president’s eyes last month and seen weakness, corruption, a lack of intellectual depth, and a lame duck in office. Putin was asked about energy security in Europe and Asia. The interview was conducted in Russian. However, when asked that question he replied in flawless German: “The German house will always be heated. To all others I recommend get a very warm coat.” A global shift is in progress. The Russian reaction in Georgia should be followed by another in Ukraine. Georgia declared war on Russia and the controlled media portrayed it to be the other way around. The established US media networks ignore the fact that dead US and Israeli soldiers lie on Russian soil, collected as future bargaining chips, and that commands in English were yelled out to Georgian soldiers. The enormously important BTC oil pipeline and its 1.3 million barrel daily flow lies in the balance.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
Scott from Vineland:
I and many others don't have a problem with sitting in on someone in judgment. What I & others have a problem with is UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT THAT is rather obvious from some. Course I won't mention any names. I'll let their own consciences convict them
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In this forum at least, UNRIGHTEOUS appears to be in the eye of the beholder.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
Scott from Vineland said: Your implication here seems to be that only negative observations constitute "sitting in judgement".
________________________________
And you think I'm obtuse?
No I don't think that's the point being discussed either. LOL
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The point I was trying to make is that most who support Kurt in this forum like to throw around terms like “so-called Christians” and then immediately preach about not sitting in judgement. They might want to check the mirror... I don't know how they're able to see around that beam in their eye.

Scott from Vineland said...

judge allslop said...
Putin was asked about energy security in Europe and Asia. The interview was conducted in Russian. However, when asked that question he replied in flawless German: “The German house will always be heated. To all others I recommend get a very warm coat.”
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If this continues much longer over there, NOBODY is going to need a coat. We might all need some 1,000,000 SPF sunscreen though.

dr. ira gilac said...

Scott from Vineland said...

judge allslop said...

Putin was asked about energy security in Europe and Asia. The interview was conducted in Russian. However, when asked that question he replied in flawless German: “The German house will always be heated. To all others I recommend get a very warm coat.”





so that who was BATMAN!


it was pootin who was bagman in gotham city....

GRU - bat signal

judge allslop said...

Be afraid,be very afraid.Not of the Russians. All of Americas problems foreign and domestic are self inflicted, the result of selling ones country and soul for 30 pieces of silver. The Judas of congress cooked up another.Neatly tucked in the recently passed "Heroes" Act of 2008, passed by the US Congress on June 17, is a provisional that permits the heavy tax (partial seizure) of assets (even if not sold) for anyone voluntarily giving up his or her citizenship. This is a capital control tax.IT NEVER STOPS THERE. Patriotism, military benefits, and asset seizures, all rolled together.

mogel007 said...

Scott said: The point I was trying to make is that most who support Kurt in this forum like to throw around terms like “so-called Christians” and then immediately preach about not sitting in judgement. They might want to check the mirror...
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Your point is well taken & I agree, but you only have to worry about your judgments WHEN YOU ARE WRONG or when you have judged unfairly which is sometimes pretty easy to do for all of us. I don't think normal people can live a real life without using their powers of judgment all the time.

Obviously, you believe you are totally correct in your judgments about the Dorean Group, otherwise, you probably wouldn't vocalize them OR you are unable to follow your own advise of looking in the mirror & seeing clearly. It's got to be one or the other.

Scott from Vineland, what if you are totally incorrect about all of your suppositions, judgments, intentions, of the Dorean Group? Are you willing to be so vocally NEGATIVE with that possibility hanging over your head? If you find out down the road that you had judged unrighteously, won't you feel pretty silly?

Oh that's right if you come to an epithany, you'll put on your cheerleading outfit, I forgot. Or maybe there's another response you would like to give should you receive a special dispensation in your life concerning this subject matter.

The kiss of reconciliation is never as beautiful or appreciative as the kiss of real gratitute & real adoration.

Course aren't you the one that judged Kurt "your friend" in the beginning?

Or maybe you really meant to say, your "so called friend"? Maybe I'm the one confused.

mogel007 said...

Annonymous said: we are to ‘LIFT UP ' our brothers and sisters not ‘go along with the crowd,
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What I got out of the latest post, this was the main message that was even more important than the subject of judging. Anyone can judge!!!!!!!!

Scott from Vineland, tell everyone on this blog, what YOU specifically have done in this regard IN REFERENCE TO YOUR LONG LOST FRIEND, A/K/A KURT to LIFT HIM UP?

I'm much more interested in that, than your judgments. That will tell me more about the beam or lack of beam in your own eyes. I'm listening............. Tell me when you are ready.............

If you haven't lifted him up, isn't that form of ommission, ALSO A FORM OF JUDGING as if he is not worthy of this kindness?

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
Scott said: The point I was trying to make is that most who support Kurt in this forum like to throw around terms like “so-called Christians” and then immediately preach about not sitting in judgement. They might want to check the mirror...
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Your point is well taken & I agree...
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Thank you Byron.... Oh, wait, did you say something else?

That was kinda like holding a Milkbone out to a puppy and then whacking him with a newspaper when he comes to take it. Oh well...

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
Scott from Vineland, tell everyone on this blog, what YOU specifically have done in this regard IN REFERENCE TO YOUR LONG LOST FRIEND, A/K/A KURT to LIFT HIM UP?
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I told everyone when I first entered this discussion what a good friend Kurt was as a kid. His mom took us in when my mom left my evil stepfather. For a few years, we did everything together. We were close then, dude.

I have not seen or talked to Kurt for over 30 years. So what can I say now? That he is a genius and a visionary for founding the Dorean Group? That I am certain he MUST be right because we were such good friends when we were 10? Is that what you expect me to say? If I even REMOTELY believed that, don't you think I would have said so from the beginning? You guys all love to talk about what a horrible friend I must be because I won't blow smoke up Kurt's ass. Is that what I have to do to prove myself? Is that what YOU want in YOUR friends? What kind of friend would I be if I were not honest?

mogel007 said...

You guys all love to talk about what a horrible friend I must be because I won't blow smoke up Kurt's ass.
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In all fairness, aren't you being a little OBTUSE when you say that?
Course "obtuse" isn't even your original or favorite word. It happens to be first claimed by Nemo as a verbiage describing my mind. He gets credit for that.
Maybe you are just "following the crowd" here WHEN YOU USE THAT VERBAGE?

I don't believe I ever asked you or expected you "to blow smoke up anyone's ass" let alone, a PROVEN friends ass.

If his character was proven at a very young age, is there any PROOF THAT HE HAS CHANGED? I always thought you gave a friend the benefit of the doubt, but what do I know, I'm just an obtuse individual. LOL

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel007 said...
If his character was proven at a very young age, is there any PROOF THAT HE HAS CHANGED? I always thought you gave a friend the benefit of the doubt, but what do I know, I'm just an obtuse individual.
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Well, Byron, considering how clearly I have made known my belief that the actions of the Dorean Group were criminal in nature... I would say yes, you are being somewhat obtuse.

You know, the fact is we weren't angels as kids. We lied, we stole things, I started doing lots of drugs a few years after I saw Kurt for the last time. I said he was a good friend... I never said we didn't do bad stuff. Maybe I should have made this clearer. Maybe he didn't change but I did...

mogel007 said...

Scott said: "considering how clearly I have made known my belief that the actions of the Dorean Group were criminal in nature... I would say yes, you are being somewhat obtuse."
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Oh, so CLEARLY, when you said if Kurt was successful, & you would at that time BECOME A CHEERLEADER FOR HIM, than CERTAINLY YOU WERE BEING OBTUSE THAN, OR DO YOU DISAGREE?

Certainly than, you couldn't believe or even conceive a successful scenario simply because if acts are criminal in nature, they can never be successful IN NATURE, so when you presented a cheerleading scenario that you would do, THAN YOU DO ADMIT YOU WERE BEING EXTREMELY OBTUSE of the felony kind?

I really don't care if you were a devil child due to the limited accountability of a child.

Maybe you wouldn't have gotten into the drug scene if Kurt was there. Maybe you underestimated your friend & the importance of his departure in your life?

mogel007 said...

No, Scott from Vineland. I don't believed your basic nature has changed at all. You still refuse to INSPIRE OR UPLIFT ANYONE here on this blog. THIS SELFISH NATURE IS PROBABLY STILL THE SAME SINCE YOUR CHILDHOOD.
You were a selfish & spoiled child, BY YOUR OWN ADMITTANCE, and now you're just a selfish and spoiled adult in my viewpoint.

I know you'll appreciate that candidness, & respect me even more, because like you, "I don't blow any smoke up your ass either". I just tell you exactly what I think & feel too.

I still say, you don't EVER turn on your friends & judge them & mock them, because this is a selfish thing to do which I find that you have alot of experience doing.

You may not use drugs anymore, course I'm not so sure about the stealing part if you assist in making loans, and the lying part you don't do anymore is questionable too since being an investment banker or Broker & peddling loans that by their very nature don't divulge the complete lending process or real agreement, I find to be rather dishonest too.

I'm not even buying the lying part where you have judged yourself a changed man either. You are still lying about not being OBTUSE. If you are obtuse, than you are just admitting that you have a judging or lying problem. If that is true, than you can't possess the true spirit of Christ of forgiveness and charity.

And if you don't possess the true spirit of Christ, why does your opinion matter at all to anyone or even to Kurt?????

I find it humorous that you somehow think that you are BETTER THAN KURT, & at the same time you make it a big deal about others not judging, when you have no problem with your own hypocrisy. I hope I'm not being too obtuse for you. Hopefully my clarity or CLEARNESS is refreshing to you. I trust that it is.

mogel007 said...

ob·tuse (b-ts, -tys, b-)
adj. ob·tus·er, ob·tus·est
1.
a. Lacking quickness of perception or intellect.
b. Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity: an obtuse remark.
c. Not distinctly felt: an obtuse pain.
2.
a. Not sharp, pointed, or acute in form; blunt.
b. Having an obtuse angle: an obtuse triangle.
c. Botany. Having a blunt or rounded tip: an obtuse leaf.
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Lacking Perception or intellect. Yep that about sums your up, Scott from Vineland.

You're so obtuse, you think your own s*it doesn't stink.

As the redneck commedian says: "Here's your sign". LOL

Scott from Vineland said...

Take a deep breath, Moogs!

Better now?

Cool...

Let's talk.

You're a complete idiot, Byron, do you know that? You know exactly squat. You are the Crown Prince of Faulty Presumptions. I have, on rare occasions, encountered persons more stupid than yourself but I can count them all on one hand. If all of your knowledge were poured into a thimble, there would be enough room left over in there for a peanut M&M and a couple Tic-Tacs as well. Please refrain from attempting to engage me in any further dialogue. You're just too tiresome.

I'm glad we had this talk.

Feel free to have another hissy if you'd like. But I think I'll just watch your hysterics from the sidelines henceforth.

Vaya con dios, mi moogster.