Sunday, August 03, 2008

Chosen (7/26/08)

The Bible is replete with the theme of the chosen. We follow it through Seth to Shem to Abraham the father of many nations. Mary of all women gets to be the womb of the Chosen One. In Luke she burst out in song and rightfully so. What unspeakable joy to come to the comprehension of the historical significance of this selection. But something else came along riding shotgun as it were. A sword will pierce your very soul. Jesus Himself the ultimate in God's selection had to be the preeminence, the one cherished and adored above all. The Palm Sunday (Sat) Hosannas being what should always take place. But no we have a man of sorrow. How do we reconcile the songs and the sufferings. In Abraham all the nations of the world are blessed. In Christ every creature and nature herself have the promise of renewal. Ephesians 1:4 has the word "chosen" in context. The text makes it clear how blessed a state it is to be one of the chosen. Of course you cannot have selection without the concomitant deselection. The equality and fairness doctrines of our creaturely morals not getting a vote. Many of us feel blessed after discovery of our calling. We likewise burst out in song, but do we really understand the joy of this calling. I say not until the sword pierces thy very soul and you are acquainted with sorrows.

Now to the few of you who are serious about your faith pay attention and let the spirit do its work. This truth is one of the dividing lines between the Neo's and the Scott's of Vineland and the chosen. Many are called but few are chosen. Can you embrace the sorrows. We know how many have cried out in their pain (real) away with that man. How they ridicule and mock me with their platitudes of Scripture and their Christ of convenience. Some even make the shallow (very) promise that if everything works out I'll return as a cheerleader. Faith (real) doesn't work like this. It knows of the sorrows. It knows the ways of God. It sees the promise afar off before the eyes can see it. Abraham knew of his blessing all the nations of the world and he knew Isaac was part of this. It was the only thing that could give him the strength that could survive the torque of his wrenching heart as he rose the knife. This faith is not crushed by the gravity of a self-absorbed universe. Its prayers are far past the infantile "me, me, what about me?" You see it in the comments here as well as the whole of your existence. From the loft of comfort they condemn you in your suffering or in their suffering they blame and cry. If they believe they know God their me prayers and curses come rolling off their lips. We are not like them. Yes our heart is wrenching and our tears just as salty but God is doing a work. He is getting acquainted with us and we are getting acquainted with this man of sorrows.

When I founded Dorean with Scott there was a song in our hearts. God had chosen us to do a good and noble work. It had its joy and its ease. I could even see how it would help many. It wasn't really until the suffering came that I realized this was the small picture. It wasn't until I saw the protracted suffering of the clients that I understood the true majesty of God's plan in Dorean Let me use the parallel story of Gideon. The first selection of God netted an army of 32,000. The second a troupe of 10,000. The third a band of 300. Logically to the human mind the more the merrier but God had not committed Himself with them. (Jn. 2:24) It was this band the few, this group of earthen vessels that the light of glory would enter the world. (Jn. 3:19-21) At first this light is concealed by the earthen vessel but it is still there doing its work. Patience and obedience are being taught while the vessel is getting acquainted with the light.

This is central to Christianity. There is a price to pay, a cross to bear, a death that must occur. "Christ shed tears at the grave of Lazarus and sweated blood in Gethsemane : the Life of Lives that was in Him detested this penal obscenity not less than we do but more. On the other hand, only he who loses his life will save it." (C.S. Lewis) Being chosen is on the backside of death. Many are called. Many get their songs of joy, wonder, and awe. But like the sons in the prodigal story one undeserving has great appreciation for the fatted calf (sacrifice / suffering) and one considers it a waste. The sifting of those who are going to cross that divide is coming to an end. The shofar is going to blow and the decree that the earthen vessel acquainted with the light be broken. And with a shout the light of this world will burst onto the scene. The enemies will see the light as the forefront of an unseen army of irresistible force and the Rahabs of the world will see the bright shining of their hope breaking forth like the new day calling them to be grafted into the very blood line of the Lord. The vessel must be broken. The sorrows must complete their work. The wall will fall. Like John the Baptist said "I must decrease and He must increase." There is a new song even greater than the first that arrives the moment you see that through your suffering Christ Himself has been set up like a city on a hill you shall have it no other way. I have sweat my blood and cried my tears but now for the glory set before me I have but joy. If you are there with me, if you are part of this small band let us harmonize our songs and sing Glory, Honor and Praise to Christ the Man of sorrows, glory in the highest! How sweet it is to be chosen! Is it not true the seed must die before the harvest? The harvest is great but the workers are few. Now the Lord of the Harvest speaks - this word of prophecy to you:

"The time is coming swiftly and is yet here that the lovers of themselves and the haters of God will beat on your door with contempt like they did in Sodom. But the light that you have been chosen to display will radiate and penetrate their intentions. My glory shall blind them and they shall stumble upon themselves. But you shall no longer dwell in the valleys I am taking you to the mountains. Don't look back there will be nothing left behind. I have come into the world to bless and bless I will. You are my chosen vessel acquainted with suffering. When I send you out among the hurting the downcast you shall not be a fraud. It is my pleasure to shine through you and for that pleasure you have been chosen. You do not yet see how many you will reach or the extent of that reach but my harvest is white and ready for you. Before I come this door I lay open before you and no man can shut it. I will take your little faith and I will pray to the Father to multiply it past the need to abundance. I speak now of economics and of my gifts. Whatever need presents itself to the broken vessel will see my glories shine forth. It is no accident I have taken you this course. Your cries I have heard but others are still crying. I have work to be done. Put away the tears there is gladness for morning. Full to the brim were my vessels in Cana now I command you "draw out" my supply shall never run short. Like muted trumpets at a distance will I make the voices that have ridiculed you. With envy they look upon you but I will not entrust myself to them. Go now with open hands and I will send to you my Rahabs. They will seek you out because your testimony of me is true, it is honest. Remember how at the beginning you thought this was about you? Laugh with me now! Oh how I have loved you and oh how I love the hurting : Feed my sheep! Obey and even your enemies will deliver my blessings to you. You have been faithful in little now be faithful in much. Remain broken for I am the only one who can sanctify a band of crackpots. I will develop a unity between you and together you shall do more than apart. Know that my hour has come strap your shoes on and be ready your redemption has been sent."

This blesses me to which I say "AMEN!" I have put away my tears the hope that is before me consumes me. The little left to do is no burden at all. I delight in God's plan. All my love; faithful.

61 comments:

notorial dissent said...

What a nauseating collection of hypocritical self serving dreck.

No great surprise, but still nauseating in the extreme.

Yetter said...

Well said good and faithful servant,amen.God's speed gentlemen.

neodemes said...

Ramble on, Kurt.

dr. ira gilac said...

latest update from slop:


slop just emailed me from above...he say that rite now there is a spritual war gong on...BIG TIME!!!!


he say it all contained in the babel verse:

"MYSTERY: BABYLON 'THE GREAT' MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH"


he say taht at this time, that babelonian religion has now completely infiltrated every/all religions of the earth (including "christianity"- meaning that there really is NO such religion as christianity, per se; you are just either a christian or you are not; but no such thing as a "practising christian" OR sunday school christian or pastor or priest)


anyway, sloop say that real christians are now cawt in the middle of this 'war' and are beeing squeeeezed →║←


by the opponients from both sides:

one one side is the babylonian religion headed by nimrod and infiltrated in all curretn day religions


on the other is juice...real ones as in hebrews...not juice who are of the singalong of satan who are really aligned with the babylonians; ie., all the other religions.

there is a viscous war gong on....its very thick now...like the gong show was...

the baby loins are gong after true jews (hebrwes) not those who just call themselves juice...

the true juice will not get squeeezed...they have protection from above..the juice from the sinalong of say tin will have a ruff go of it as we go along, becoss these are really babyloins and not juice...

steak and oj do not mix...

this spritzer war will cuminate in the ac...


and also by the way...the ac will go after those who do not worship him as these will be the current day equivalent of "lawbreakers"

this was new relvation from slop....in that day, a christian WILL be required to break the law, not keep it...so when the law is instituted by the ac, a christian will be forbidden to obey it...just as someone today will be locked up for breaking the law...so it will be then...but while tis ok for a christian to obey the law today, it will not be ok wehn the ac is here...

corse, the ac will not call himself the ac...

the HYIP ac,(false profit) or aka the spritual ac will be base in roam..

the "giver of the law" ac (the beast) will be base in juice slim in is not real....he will put in the noahic law which a real christian must not obey or face damnation...corse not obeying at that time will get you....well, let put it thsi way...yo wont hafe to worry about the raptoon....

BigO said...

One would have to ask themselves what bennifit would these guys have stinging ppl on this way?

You nay sayers have nothing better to do with your time but to sit in frount of your computers and spit out nonsence !!!

When the battle has been won ( and it already is ) what are you ppl going to do with your time???

GODS SPEED MY BROTHERS STAY THE COURSE!!!

THE BATTLE IS NOT GIVEN TO THE STRONG THE RACE TO THE SWIFT BUT TO THEM THAT ENDURES TO THE END...

SEE YOU AT THE TOP !!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

BigO said...

spell check !!!

BigO said...

front***
benefit***

Scott from Vineland said...

Sayeth Kurt:
"Some even make the shallow (very) promise that if everything works out I'll return as a cheerleader."
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If it's all the same to the rest of you girls, I think I'll wait awhile to unpack my pom-poms.

Scott from Vineland said...

I, Scott Simmons, am God's chosen. As are those in my fellowship.
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Hmmm, it sounds rather audacious when I say it.

I think I'll wait for God to make such a public proclamation, if He should see fit.

neodemes said...

nonsense***

habakkuk said...

bigo said....
One would have to ask themselves what bennifit would these guys have stinging ppl on this way?

HMMMMM, THATS A VERY GOOD QUESTION...ONE THAT I'VE ASKED A FEW TIMES AND NOBODY SEEMS TO ANSWER. BUT THATS OK, I'VE GOTTEN USED TO THE NONSENSE AND ITS MAKING ME MORE AND MORE SLEEPY...YAAAAAWWWWWN:)

habakkuk said...

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."

Henry Ford

THE KEY WORD IN THIS QUOTE IS "UNDERSTAND"

mogel007 said...

Scott said: "If it's all the same to the rest of you girls, I think I'll wait awhile to unpack my pom-poms."
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If it's all the same to you, don't bother, since the cheer leading routine is already planned out & set and the girls are already picked & chosen & we really don't need any other members on the drill team. Not that I'm trying to be snooty or anything like that. I'm sure you understand. You're just a day late & a dollar short. We have enough pom poms thank-you very much.

How does the saying go: "Too many cooks spoil the stew?" Or maybe it's: "too many crooks spoil the stew." I can't remember.

Seriously, you should stick with what you do best which is predatory lending & the like. Leave the pom poms to the professionals.

mogel007 said...

Last Monday night, July 28th, one of the owners of Goldfinger Coin & Bullion Sales, Inc. and e-Bullion.com, Pamela Fayed, was murdered in Century City, California. On Friday, August 1, the estranged husband and business partner of Pamela Fayed, James Fayed, was arrested on charges relating to his business trading practices. For the past week, the media have continued to report what facts are known outside the investigation. Speculation is rampant on many fronts including the forums and blogs.

The tragic loss of Pamela Fayed leaves us all shaken and deeply concerned that the truth be uncovered and justice be served. We mourn the loss of their mother for Pamela’s two daughters.

What are the business consequences for the customers of e-Bullion? What does this mean for those of us who use e-Bullion as a payment processor, is it safe to continue to do so? At the time of this writing, the site is functioning normally although the support lines are very busy and overloaded. The fact that the FBI is involved in the ongoing investigation must be treated very seriously in these post 9/11 days. Even a brief overview of the references a Google search pulls up will tell us that this is likely to be a long and protracted investigation. From past experience with payment processors that come under regulatory review, we know the possibility of accounts being frozen can move into the area of probability very quickly.

habakkuk said...

I want to keep driving the point that G-d the Father has lots to say about money:

1 Tim 6:10-16
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal

Lev 19:35-36
35 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.36 Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.

Deut 25:15-16
15 But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.16 For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Mic 6:10-12
10 Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked, and the scant measure that is abominable?11 Shall I count them pure with the wicked balances, and with the bag of deceitful weights?12 For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth

Matt 7:2
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
KJV

Luke 6:38
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
KJV

notorial dissent said...

Moogs, do you have some specific reason for posting irrelevant news items? Just curious.

Pamela Fayed’s death is tragic and unfortunate, but not altogether a surprise. Not knowing how involved she was in the operation, it is difficult to speculate on what her involvement was, she may be an innocent victim, or there may be more sinister reasons behind it. I personally would suspect that she, and any of the principals at e-gold, and e-bullion are very likely going to have more than the Fed’s to worry about in the coming months. People who launder money whether intentionally or unintentionally come on the radar of some very nasty people, people who get very upset when their money disappears and not into what ever hidey hole they had intended, and I suspect that as the Federal investigations progress, these people will get more irritated, particularly depending upon how much money they stand to lose, and how good a collection of records were kept by the companies.

In answer to the other question, I would suspect that the consequences to their customers in both the short and long term are going to be unpleasant, up to and including losing everything there, and possibly facing some equally unpleasant Federal scrutiny in the bargain. In other words, I would think a sock or tin can would be looking like a better hedge than leaving my money there.

judge allslop said...

Hedge. Like the Wall Street, US Govt crime syndicate certificates of deposit.

mogel007 said...

Kurt said: "The Bible is replete with the theme of the chosen"
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Scott S said: , Scott Simmons, am God's chosen. As are those in my fellowship.
Hmmm, it sounds rather audacious when I say it.

I think I'll wait for God to make such a public proclamation, if He should see fit.
________________________________

Why wait? Just read your Bible & you'd know of this doctrine & theme of the chosen. I agree that those of YOUR FELLOWSHIP might be questionable. After all "birds of a feather stick together." We agree on something.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent: I'm posting irrelevant stuff? Let's see. The government first goes after egold, a system THAT IS LEGITIMATELY BACKED BY GOLD unlike the Federal Reserve System that eventually will fail on it's own. Then almost immediately a little later, the government decides to go after e-bullion (ANOTHER SYSTEM THAT DEALS IN REAL MONEY LIKE GOLD TOO). The government wants to control the kmowledge of the flow of money where it goes by forcing these companies to provide a better record keeping system so the government can nose into EVERYONE'S BUSINESS. It's all about the government's need to tax every little dollar they can forcibly get their hands upon. So it's all about greed and money & snooping & control.

I don't believe there is any proof that the owners of egold intentionally were involved in money laundering, nor is there any proof that ebullion is involved in money laundering either. Naturally there is probably going to be some clients that will use either system (egold or ebullion) or ANY SYSTEM to launder some monies. Where does the owners responsibility of these companies begin & end? It's a very gray area. How far are these companies suppose to go to look after the government's selfish interests?

I suppose this money laundering activities done in many banks also & sent outside the country too to questionable places. I've heard that Bank of America is the criminals bank. The one bank years ago, BBBIC or something like that was involved in money laundering & got caught because they were INTENTIONALLY DOING THIS & KNEW THIS WAS GOING ON & didn't care.

Very seldom if ever do you hear of any bank officials or banks being prosecuted or shut down for money laundering that was done by their clients where the banks knew about the activities & sanctioned them, but it's going on, much more than we know.

The government is not going to stop people's need for privacy, whatever they do, nor are they going to stop the drug trade or any other similiar things like child pornography no mateter how many companies they decide to target & put the squeeze on. They target these companies for one reason, but for moral purposes say they are doing it for higher purposes. It's all smoke & mirrors.

The government/courts shut down the Dorean Group because they didn't like what they were doing either & wanted to control the Principals there, so they trumped off false charges from the State of Utah to get them off the streets until they could figure out how to deal with them & control them. The government's actions are tied to this blog, so it's not as irrlevant as you might think my post was.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "People who launder money whether intentionally or unintentionally come on the radar of some very nasty people, people who get very upset when their money disappears"
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You're right! Maybe those government officials that do their supposed job, by invading the privacy of these clients & holding on to their assets through a seizure or even taking them, possibly wrongfully, should ALSO & REALLY worry about the actions of these sinister people. After all, these sinister people should know it's not the fault of egold or ebulion management, that the government decides to CONTROL THINGS & make their lives miserable where they don't have access to their assets.

Likewise, it's not the fault of the Dorean Group that the government/prison system, courts, & FBI, stepped in to CONTROL THINGS UNFAIRLY to make sure that the Dorean presentment had no real power on it's own, causing clients to be forced to make their mortgage payments or face an unfair foreclosure. The blame should be put where it belongs & the anger should be put on the powers that be that control things that don't play by their own rules.

dr. ira gilac said...

shiting down egole and ebullon is easy...

the govt. jus has one of they arab cia 3 stooges make a transcton buy egold/bullion and then from there send it to a cia terroist infomant.

done.


then they can shut it down.


jsut like the murder of ebullion woman.

fayed is an arabic name.

only jimmy noone would have his x wife kill by slashing her troat.

an obvious refince to an arbic form of killin.

so, natch, the criminal enterpise fbi figurs dat it must be an ay rab dat dun it. an fayet is a ay rab. so da fib say..'lest go unrest him'!

voila'! antoher case slobbed by the fbi!

ho day do it?

a real peace o' work there!

dr. ira gilac said...

an obvious refince to an arbic form of killin.

so, natch, the criminal enterpise fbi figurs dat it must be an ay rab dat dun it. an fayet is a ay rab. so da fib say..'lest go unrest him'!



da fib make mayberry blarny faff look like shylock homes...

dr. ira gilac said...

speekin of shylox..brawt to yo by yo local banker....btw, yo no "tony da shylock" down the dox? he wurk fo da bank...

dr. ira gilac said...

At the moment James Fayed is at the Ventura County Jail and is going to be transferred to a detention facility in Los Angeles.

Earlier Pamela Fayed was saying that her husband “never got their multimillion-dollar company properly licensed or bonded.” In October the couple has filed for divorce and since that time had been fighting for the company and assets. It is necessary to note that the Fayeds were the only shareholders of the business (Goldfinger Coin & Bullion Sales and e-Bullion) and possessed about $12 million in bank accounts.

The given investigation was started long ago and, according to Jeffrey A. Taylor, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, "digital currency providers everywhere are now on notice that they must comply with federal banking laws, or they will be subject to prosecution."

dr. ira gilac said...

Jeffrey A. Taylor, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, "digital currency providers everywhere are now on notice that they must comply with federal banking laws, or they will be subject to prosecution."






ya...yo tell em'....all e/c curr will comply with the federal govt. criminal enterprise guidelins....or else the worlds largest org. crime family (us govt) will steal yo ass'ts....

U.S GOVERNMENT
ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY LOL!!!

dr. ira gilac said...

Authorities have seized $60,000 cash, some of it sealed in shrink wrap, and $3 million in gold bullion at the Moorpark, CA ranch house of James Fayed, whose wife, Pamela, was murdered last week. Twenty-five assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition were also seized from the house, according to Assistant U.S. Atty. Mark R. Aveis

Fayed, who was seeking a divorce from his wife, both jointly owned Goldfinger Coin and Bullion Sales and an associated Internet firm, e-Bullion.

Fayed was arrested Friday evening on charges relating to his business. In a court hearing today in Los Angeles, CA, Aveis characterized Fayed's business operations during 2005 and 2006 as ponzi schemes in which individuals invested up to $20 million.

In a further bombshell development, police have determined that the vehicle used by the murderer in the slaying of Pamela Fayed was rented with a credit card bearing the name of her estranged husband.

The credit card was seized from the wallet of James Fayed during a recent search of his Moorpark ranch house, said Aveis.

dr. ira gilac said...

***BREAKING***


WASHINGTON, D.C. CRIME FAMILY SHAKES DOWN LOCAL GOLD CURRENCY DEALER FOR $3 MILLION+

West coast capo of the DC crime family shakes down local CA gold dealer.

Dealer was trying to protect himself from the shakedown, but was outgunned by the DC based thugs. They made an offer 'he couldnt refuse.'


Stay tune for latest developments.....

dr. ira gilac said...

above story: www.economicpolicyjournal.com

dr. ira gilac said...

AND THIS:




Aveis' comments came as Fayed appeared in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles to face felony charges of conducting unlicensed money transactions through the international gold trading company he ran with his wife, Pamela. Fayed, 45, was arrested Friday evening and remains in federal custody.

During the hearing, Aveis told U.S. Magistrate Judge Ralph Zarefsky that Fayed presented a danger to the community, was a flight risk and should not be allowed to post bail.

But Zarefsky said the evidence that Fayed had attempted to obstruct justice by killing his wife so she wouldn't testify against him in the federal case was "pretty thin."

He ordered the defendant released on $500,000 bond but gave prosecutors until Wednesday to appeal his decision.

Fayed, dressed in a brown T-shirt and plaid pajama-style pants, sat expressionless as the prosecutor argued his case, recounting a meeting this summer between Fayed and his wife, who were in the midst of a bitter divorce.

Aveis said Fayed told his wife, "I could have you killed and my hands would be clean." He said the defendant then made a motion as if he were wiping his hands, according to an account Pamela Fayed gave a friend.

In addition to the credit card, authorities seized $60,000, some of it sealed in plastic wrap, and $3 million in gold bullion at Fayed's house, Aveis said. Twenty-five weapons including assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition were also seized, he said.

Though Fayed has not been charged in his wife's slaying, Aveis said he had a motive to have her killed -- "so that she could not testify against him" in the criminal case at issue in Monday's hearing.

Los Angeles Police Capt. Bill Eaton said Monday that Fayed has not been named as a suspect in his wife's death.

Fayed's attorney, Mark Werksman, told Zarefsky that the prosecutor's claims were based on third-hand information from a rookie FBI agent who had only recently been briefed on the case.

"The government has rushed in here with uncorroborated, unsubstantiated allegations of a murder," he said.

Pamela Fayed, 45, was attacked by a man with a knife July 28 in the parking garage of a Century City high-rise, investigators said. The perpetrator was "lying in wait," Aveis said.

The prosecutor said Pamela and James Fayed and their attorneys were scheduled to meet at the office complex to discuss legal matters.

According to the LAPD, several witnesses said they saw a red SUV speed away from the floor of the parking garage where Pamela Fayed was slain. Surveillance cameras captured the SUV with a man at the wheel leaving the parking lot and driving down the street at high speed moments after the killing, police said.

Los Angeles police detectives investigating Pamela Fayed's slaying have been looking for possible links between her death and the couple's jointly owned companies, Goldfinger Coin and Bullion Sales and an associated Internet firm, e-Bullion, law enforcement sources have said.

Police searched James Fayed's home looking for evidence in the homicide investigation last week.

Aveis characterized Fayed's business operations during 2005 and 2006 as Ponzi schemes in which individuals invested up to $20 million.

James Fayed filed for divorce in October, and the couple had since fought bitterly over control of the companies.

Pamela Fayed, who remained in the couple's Camarillo home after they separated, said in court papers that the couple had bank accounts worth $12 million and that her husband had been blocking her access to their business records.

She asked the court for "ground rules to protect our clients and personal assets."

James Fayed alleged in a court filing that his wife "has a history of making false accusations" and had threatened "to throw me in jail." He said that when he contemplated divorce in 2000, Pamela told him she would retaliate by claiming that he had assaulted her and sexually assaulted one of their daughters.

The couple had two children, an 18-year-old daughter from Pamela's first marriage, and a 9-year-old daughter.

The Fayeds' companies function as wholesalers of precious metals and provide trading services to individuals who wish to invest in gold and silver without the cost of storing, insuring and transporting bullion. Goldfinger and e-Bullion say they maintain their own bullion vaults in Los Angeles, Delaware, Switzerland and Australia.

Company literature says that account holders can access their funds through wire transfers and debit cards that can be used at ATMs to "convert gold to cash," as an e-Bullion executive put it in a 2002 news release. Such arrangements typically appeal to people who doubt the stability of the international monetary system and who believe they are insulating their wealth from a global collapse by tying it to the value of gold.

As the Fayeds' marriage crumbled, Pamela was seeking to have the family business treated as a separate entity as it related to their divorce proceedings, according to court filings.

She said she was doing so because she feared her husband was trying to hide some of their assets and stash stores of gold and silver in secret vaults. Pamela Fayed was killed on the eve of a court hearing at which the issue was expected to be addressed.

scott.glover@latimes.com

Times staff writer Richard Winton contributed to this story.

dr. ira gilac said...

???????????


NOW TELL ME?

WHERE HAVE YOU HEARD THE WORD

"ROOKIE" BEFORE???????



Fayed's attorney, Mark Werksman, told Zarefsky that the prosecutor's claims were based on third-hand information from a rookie FBI agent who had only recently been briefed on the case.

neodemes said...

moogie snivels:

"Likewise, it's not the fault of the Dorean Group that the government/prison system, courts, & FBI, stepped in to CONTROL THINGS UNFAIRLY to make sure that the Dorean presentment had no real power on it's own, causing clients to be forced to make their mortgage payments or face an unfair foreclosure. The blame should be put where it belongs & the anger should be put on the powers that be that control things that don't play by their own rules."

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Hold on there, buckwheat, you know full well Dorean told their clients to keep making their mortgage payments - so-called administrative overpayments - after the guinea pigs they first led to the slaughter were facing foreclosures because they believed their mortgage was discharged and no longer owed.

That was all long before the PTB stepped in and y'all were crowing about how untouchable you were.

Keep it real, will you?

dr. ira gilac said...

Fayed's attorney, Mark Werksman, told Zarefsky that the prosecutor's claims were based on third-hand information from a rookie FBI agent who had only recently been briefed on the case.


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DC GODFATHER SAYS....

WOW! $3 MILLION IN GOLD!

YOU DONE GOOD!!!

NOW BE A GOOD SOLDER AND SEND UP 3/4 OF IT HERE. WE LET YO KEEP SOME, BUT YO GOTTA PAY YO RESPECTS TO THE 'FAMILY'......AFTER ALL, WE GAVE YO THE 'OK' TO ROB ALL THAT MANS GOLD YA NO.....

Scott from Vineland said...

Moogie sez...
If it's all the same to you, don't bother, since the cheer leading routine is already planned out & set and the girls are already picked & chosen & we really don't need any other members on the drill team. Not that I'm trying to be snooty or anything like that. I'm sure you understand. You're just a day late & a dollar short. We have enough pom poms thank-you very much.
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Sounds like Moogie can still fit into his sweater, skirt & bloomers.

Scott from Vineland said...

Moogie sez...
Seriously, you should stick with what you do best which is predatory lending & the like.
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Yeah, your probably right. I have a real sweet deal right now on a pay option ARM that would be PERFECT for you, Moogs. It will free up your cash to invest in a Latvian bond program that I also represent. And you won't have to worry about your payment resetting in a few years cuz you'll be so wealthy by then you can just pay it off! Call me today at 1-800-485-5425. That number again is 1-800-GULLIBL.

Scott from Vineland said...

I agree that those of YOUR FELLOWSHIP might be questionable.
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Why? Do we need to get more wives or something?

habakkuk said...
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dr. ira gilac said...

rereeding the ebullion article, something is VERY VERY STRANGE there..


is said that mr. fade stored OVER 3 mill in gole in his house?????

the fib is fibbing again.

i meen who wood sto $3 mill
in gole in they house???


and if you did, well....you wood need militry SPECIAL OPERTIONS PERSONNEL to guard it...


yep....yo wood need all of a hole army of SOPs to god it... ;-)

only SOPs could protect all that gold.....dat a lot of SOPs.....

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: "That was all long before the PTB stepped in"
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I think the PTB stepped into corrupting the court system long before the Dorean Group came on the scene.

mogel007 said...

"Fayed presented a danger to the community, was a flight risk and should not be allowed to post bail."
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Now where have we heard about "flight risk" before & "not being able to post bail."

Yea, it's the same old government tricks at work here too. My goodness, he's not even charged with murder at this point.

mogel007 said...

the prosecutor's claims were based on THIRD-HAND information from a ROOKIE FBI agent, who had only RECENTLY been briefed on the case.
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Yea, let the pawns be sacrificed to give their false testimony. Never sacrifice the queen or king, or those higher up the power totem pole. THAT'S JUST NOT PLAYING THE GAME OF CHESS INTELLIGENTLY by having someone of real authority & real experience & real knowledge testify. Get it all third hand, by rookies, who have just been briefed, who don't know anything WHO CAN BE MANIPULATED, who are looking for a promotion.

mogel007 said...

Scott said: "And you won't have to worry about your PAYMENT RESETTING in a few years cuz you'll be so wealthy by then you can just pay it off!
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That's why Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are in serious trouble. They didn't take into account the payment reset for all those people who were duped.

Well on the bright side of things, I can see you haven't lost your SENSE OF HUMOR, with the loss of your morals & loyalty to old time trusted friends.

As for the law of polygamy, that was abolished in the late 19th century, EVEN THEN, it was only for those that were INVITED into the practice, BY THOSE THAT WERE CALLED & CHOSEN, so it's a moot point to you today to bring that up, along with your retired pom poms.

dr. ira gilac said...

RIGHT!


Fayed's attorney, Mark Werksman, told Zarefsky that the prosecutor's claims were based on third-hand information from a rookie FBI agent who interviewed a woman who was in a convenience store who just got off a bus with and who got it from the substitute bus driver who got his information from his dentist who was briefed by his receptionist/secretary who was told by her daughter who heard it on MTV who got it from Madoonna who got it from budda.

dr. ira gilac said...

'...on this above testismony yo honus, the untied states asks that yo hole the defenseless w/o balls pending a hearing..."

mogel007 said...

Scott said: "It will free up your cash to invest in a Latvian bond program"
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You have EVIDENCE I don't know about?

Even in the criminal trial, the best witness about the "latvian bond company" for the prosecution was "evidence he had researched on the internet", & he had NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO DEFAME THE COMPANY, so who's the GULLIBLE ONE? Can't be me. Obviously you are the gullible one because there is NO EVIDENCE OF INSURANCE FRAUD, OR BOND FRAUD BY THE DOREAN GROUP. If there was any evidence, that would have been one of the charges that WOUD HAVE went to indictment & conviction in the criminal trial or any trial that never was.

mogel007 said...

Nemo said: That was all long before the PTB stepped in and y'all were CROWING about how untouchable you were.

Keep it REAL, will you?
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You know speaking of keeping it real, the issue we were all crowing about is that the Dorean Group activities had NOTHING TO DO WITH BANK FRAUD, the bank challenge we were doing, even though the press made that the issue in the beginning that the banks/lending institutions were suffering a loss from our activities. Despite that, bank fraud charges were alleged & smartly dismissed.

Who would have ever thought in the beginning that the prosecution's case would be ONLY about "mail fraud" & "conspiracy against the United States", which is what the convictions came to be about. Those seem to be the easiest to convict upon, you don't need evidence, no credible witnesses or facts, even if those crimes still don't fit, it really doesn't matter does it, in order to BE REAL? Keep on raving Nemo.

notorial dissent said...

And Moogie’s mouth runneth off with him again
So it's all about greed and money & snooping & control.

No Moogs, it is about breaking the law and helping others to break the law. I particularly liked the bit that our resident idiot stole and posted, In addition to the credit card, authorities seized $60,000, some of it sealed in plastic wrap, and $3 million in gold bullion at Fayed's house, Aveis said. Twenty-five weapons including assault rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition were also seized, he said

No legitimate businessman has $60,000 in cash and $3 million in gold lying around their house., and let’s not even go into the 25 assault rifles. At the best of times you are an idiot, but these is stretching it even for you.

If this business had been on the up and up it would have been properly licensed and registered, it wasn’t, and the only reason you don’t do something like that is because you are doing something illegal and you don’t want to draw attention to yourself. Of course, when people start dying around you the authorities tend to get suspicious, and they get even more suspicious when there are large amounts of money floating around. And the main reason you do something like this is to launder money.

You really are either as dumb as I think you are, or so naive as to be beyond belief, but I think I’ll stick to dumb, it fits all the facts better. Whether or not the so called “currencies” of e-gold or e-bullion were backed up by gold, and you are only deluding yourself if you think they were, the actual transactions and transfers were eventually effected in dollars because that is how money is moved in this day and age, and then moved as electronic transactions. So get over it.


Moogie showing that he can believe three impossible things before breakfast
I don't believe there is any proof that the owners of egold intentionally were involved in money laundering, nor is there any proof that ebullion is involved in money laundering either.

You very conveniently believe a lot of things that have no basis in reality, this is just one more of a very long list.

Moogie trying to excuse believing three impossible things after breakfast
How far are these companies suppose to go to look after the government's selfish interests?

They are supposed to exercise due diligence, and to obey the law, neither of these companies did that, and there is more than ample proof that at least one of them was aware of what their customers were doing since it was noted in their records, and they had ignored complaints of their customers committing fraud using their accounts.

Moogie blathering on
Very seldom if ever do you hear of any bank officials or banks being prosecuted or shut down for money laundering that was done by their clients where the banks knew about the activities & sanctioned them, but it's going on, much more than we know.

For the very simple reason that most banks have long ago figured out that there is no profit in getting shut down, which is exactly what happens if they get caught in a money laundering scheme, and it has happened before and will happen again.

Moogie prevaricating again
The government/courts shut down the Dorean Group because they didn't like what they were doing either & wanted to control the Principals there, so they trumped off false charges from the State of Utah to get them off the streets until they could figure out how to deal with them & control them.

Let’s see, what is the appropriate answer here, oh right, BS. Dorean was shut down because it violate a plethora of laws, the state charges were valid, but the Federal ones took precedence, and they were every bit as valid. Dorean was breaking the law at every turn, and was a colossal fraud.

Moogie really trying to tell a whopper and failing pathetically
Likewise, it's not the fault of the Dorean Group that the government/prison system, courts, & FBI, stepped in to CONTROL THINGS UNFAIRLY to make sure that the Dorean presentment had no real power on it's own, causing clients to be forced to make their mortgage payments or face an unfair foreclosure.

Aside from being largely nonsensical, you are, as usual, full of crap. The Dorean presentment had no legal standing to begin with, no one did anything to cause that, it came pre constructed. It was nonsense to begin with and it didn’t improve with age. The blame, belongs squarely on the originators of the nonsense and no where else. It was crap when they created it and crap it remained.

judge allslop said...

It's about the law.Don't lose your lipstick lover boy, that turd is soft.

judge allslop said...

Good news from gitmo. It is now possiable of being convicted of nothing...than being yourself.Neo and Notorial can receive a longer sentence than Kurt.Dreck,indeed.

dr. ira gilac said...

Good news from gitmo...


sum toms yo get mo...an sumtoms yo get less.....

dr. ira gilac said...

Good news from gitmo...


sum toms yo get mo...an sumtoms yo get less.....mo o' less....


wit jug beans, yo alway get mo of less....

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said speaking to the NONACTIONS OF EGOLD & EBULLION BY NOT REGISTERING OR GETTING LICENSED: "It is about breaking the law and HELPING OTHERS to break the law.

Then he describes the Dorean Process of NONACTIONS TOO:

"The Dorean presentment had no legal standing to begin with, NO ONE DID ANYTHING to cause that, it came pre constructed. It was nonsense to begin with."

So a document that is preconstructed is automatically declared to be invalid & termed as nonsense? If I print a preconstructed quit claim deed off the internet, you consider it to be invalid because it was preconstructed? Certainly you don't believe that, do you? If you don't, than your point is irrelevant.

Some of the "affidavit of truth" that the dorean trustee signed off on as charges against the lender, was quotes from the law. Is the law nonsense too?

So you must really believe then, that you can do nothing & STILL BREAK THE LAW? It's like saying, "I charge you WITH NOTHING for doing nothing. YOUR INACTION PROVES YOU ARE GUILTY." "If you have no license, than that's just proof that you run a criminal business."

Isn't the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act, federal law & don't debtors have rights THAT REQUIRE ACTIONS OF THEIR LENDERS when a complaint is filed?

THE DOREAN GROUP COMES ALONG & SAYS THE LENDERS ARE GUILTY OF FRAUD & ALL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THEM FOR THE LENDERS NONACTION OF VALIDATING THE DEBT & not providing the accounting basis or proof of that ALLEGED LOAN is ALSO PROOF OF THEIR GUILT.

After even bonding the serious complaint against the lender & the lender not applying properly for the proceeds of the dorean bond, WHEN GREED SAYS THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT, kind of like a licensing process, YOU STILL DON'T LIKE IT & then say it was all garbage from the beginning. Every attempt & OPPORTUNITY was given to the lender to provide full disclosure & be honest in the unjust enrichment they received, BUT SILENCE & INACTION WAS THE LENDERS CHOICE.

Why is any process that allows someone to be honest, & to be compensated for that honesty, be immediately dubbed as nonsense from the beginning?

The lenders legitimacy in the lending process was never proven & the LENDER DID NOTHING & didn't follow the spirit of the Fair Debt collections Practices Act, but then YOU STILL CRY FOUL AGAINST THE DOREAN GROUP!!!!

YOu say, the Dorean Group had no legal standing, but I remember signing paperwork & getting it notarized, giving them legal standing as my trustees, signing my home into a trust, getting it notarized & recorded IT & GIVING THE DOREAN GROUP PERMISSION to act as my power of attorney to complain to my lender.

I also had a relationship & legal standing with my lender when I signed legal documents with them. I just transferred that legal standing to my trustees, so don't bring up nonsense, like there never existed any legal standing!!! All those documents & agreements were also sent to my lender to show legal standing along with the dorean presentment & challenge.

Maybe we are all breaking the law & all of us need to be charged, by allowing the lenders of this country to get away with breaking the law & allowing them to commit bank fraud, mail fraud & wire fraud by our apathy & inactions & THEY ARE LICENSED, ARE THEY NOT? That is your standard, is it not? If any lender commits even one violation of the TILA laws & then mails any document to the borrower like a bill unpaid, trying to collect on monies they illegally charged, they have committed mail fraud, have they not? If a fraud & scam exists by the lender knowingly committing these violations, & they have others try to collect on an illegal debt, then the lender has also committed conspiracy too, have they not? Why aren't loan Brokers being charged with "conspiracy against the Untied States" in drooves, especially in light of the subprime crisis situation affecting the longevity of all the financial institutions? Has the 4 Brokers of the Dorean Process caused more damage to the financial system that they should be singled out & charged?

It's quite a double standard you spew from both sides of your mouth. Course you are too unfair to see it. Maybe you should be CALLED THE resident idiot, FROM NOW ON, you think? Your own standards OF JUDGMENT, betray you & reveal YOUR NONSENSE.

mogel007 said...

The principals of the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) provide standards on how business should be conducted, but those standards were termed to be irrelevant in the criminal trial & couldn't be brought up as relevant. Another huge double standard.

dr. ira gilac said...

ya, now dat my HYPE was just reddy to pay me in ebulln....now day gotta start all ova agian.....sh*t!


i gotta emial burly bowly bout this...he got me into dis HYPE in da first place.

Dr. Caligari said...

The principals of the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) provide standards on how business should be conducted, but those standards were termed to be irrelevant in the criminal trial & couldn't be brought up as relevant. Another huge double standard.

The principles of the UCC apply to certain businesses, but they do not apply to loans secured by real estate. So of course they were irrelevant.

dr. ira gilac said...

lite em' up!


whiel we wait....soon we may all be where slop is....



"scooty, engag the wop drive..."


http://www.spiegel.de/
international/world/
0,1518,570487,00.html

dr. ira gilac said...

"cap'n...look like we enterin' into a big black ho..."

notorial dissent said...

And just when I thought Moogs would run out of anything stupid to say... he comes up with these gems of mind boggling ignorance.

Moogey trots them out one by one
Then he describes the Dorean Process of NONACTIONS TOO:

Strange there Moogs, there is a considerable difference between committing a crime by ignoring the law, and just plain breaking the law-as in committing fraud, but then I don’t really expect you to comprehend that, unlike the rest of the universe.

Moogey can’t read
So a document that is preconstructed is automatically declared to be invalid & termed as nonsense?

You really can’t read and comprehend plain English can you? And here all along I thought it was just because you were morally and ethically challenged, deficient actually, and all it was, was illiteracy and simple mind numbing stupidity all along. Imagine that.

I did not say preconstructed documents you total twit, I said the document was made ineffective, I said it was ineffective from construction, as in from the ground up.

Moogey delusional
Some of the "affidavit of truth" that the dorean trustee signed off on as charges against the lender, was quotes from the law. Is the law nonsense too?

Since the documents were a crock to begin with, there being no such thing as an "affidavit of truth" to begin with, whatever the legal quotes may or may not have been they did give any validity to the nonsense signed by the twin idiots. The affidavits were legal nonsense. Not having seen the material quoted I can make no speculations upon it, although if it is of the same quality as the rest of the Dorean legal scholarship, it was a collection of misquotes and nonsense.

Moogey boring
So you must really believe then, that you can do nothing & STILL BREAK THE LAW? It's like saying, "I charge you WITH NOTHING for doing nothing. YOUR INACTION PROVES YOU ARE GUILTY." "If you have no license, than that's just proof that you run a criminal business."

Another bit of Moogey disingenuousness, since that is not at all what I said, but on par with every thing else he has presented.

Moogey completely clueless
Isn't the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act, federal law & don't debtors have rights THAT REQUIRE ACTIONS OF THEIR LENDERS when a complaint is filed?

Since FDCPA applies to commercial debt it is not applicable here.

Moogey trying to maintain the party line
THE DOREAN GROUP COMES ALONG & SAYS THE LENDERS ARE GUILTY OF FRAUD & ALL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THEM FOR THE LENDERS NONACTION OF VALIDATING THE DEBT & not providing the accounting basis or proof of that ALLEGED LOAN is ALSO PROOF OF THEIR GUILT.

BS!!!! The only thing Dorean was trying to do was a multi level scam. If there had been any legally valid complaints against the lenders, the courts were the forum for it, not some collection of voodoo documents.

Moogey still trying to claim apples are grapefruit
The lenders legitimacy in the lending process was never proven & the LENDER DID NOTHING & didn't follow the spirit of the Fair Debt collections Practices Act, but then YOU STILL CRY FOUL AGAINST THE DOREAN GROUP!!!!

The point being, that they did not have to defend themselves, if there was a valid complaint it should have been made to the proper authorities or in court, it wasn’t!!! FDCPA does not apply to real estate transactions so too bad there. Since none of the actions taken by Dorean were even remotely legal, yes, I would cry foul, apparently so did the authorities.

Moogey blathering
Ou say, the Dorean Group had no legal standing, but I remember signing paperwork & getting it notarized, giving them legal standing as my trustees, signing my home into a trust, getting it notarized & recorded IT & GIVING THE DOREAN GROUP PERMISSION to act as my power of attorney to complain to my lender.

Whatever legal standing they may have with regard to the trusts, they had NO standing to act for the lenders.

The rest of your maundering only warrants this comment. If you are aware of a criminal action, or feel that you have been defrauded, then it is your responsibility to either report it to the proper authorities or accept the consequences of doing nothing, the rest is nonsense, if you feel there is something wrong, that is what your state attorney general has an office of consumer fraud for.

and one final bit of Moogey ignorance
The principals of the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) provide standards on how business should be conducted, but those standards were termed to be irrelevant in the criminal trial & couldn't be brought up as relevant. Another huge double standard.

The UCC was and is intended to apply to business commercial transactions, and it very specifically DOES NOT apply to real estate. So just another bit of waste of time on your part.

mogel007 said...

Dr. Calari said: "The principles of the UCC apply to certain businesses, but they do not apply to loans secured by real estate. So of course they were irrelevant.
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I didn't say the UCC applied to loans SECURED by real estate, that was your own distortion.

The UCC IS relevant simply because what the lender did with the promissory note which is personal property.

Are you implying that the promissory note HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LENDING TRANSACTION? Obviously you are.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "No legitimate businessman has $60,000 in cash and $3 million in gold lying around their house.,"
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If you are worth alot of money, & really really rich, I can see why a businessman would keep that much money near his house. Especially if you lived during the depression & saw what happened to many banks shutting down & people being unable to get to their money, you wouldn't trust banks & would probably want to keep large amounts of money near your home, especially if you were old & rich is not so unreasonable to believe.

Why is it, just because you have alot of money, it is assumed you got it illegally or you are a dishonest man?

I remember on the news not too long ago, there was this immigrant who saved $45,000 over 15 years working as a dishwasher & he was going back to his country in Central America with the money so he could help his family. The government seized his money AT THE US AIRPORT & assumed he was laundering money. He ended up losing ALL OF IT. Just because he was stupid carrying that much money through an airport terminal with security checks, doesn't automatically mean he was did something illegal to get the money.

You would think if a business wasn't wanting to try to attract attention to themselves LIKE YOU SAID, you wouldn't have a website either. By knowing a website address, you can find the addresses of owners, & other personal information by doing a search, so your assumption of trying to get the upmost privacy IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL, like not bothering to register & license your business, holds no water SIMPLY BECAUSE EBULLION EMPLOYED A WEBSITE, BUT THEN SO DID E-GOLD. Are you also assuming that both businesses DIDN'T FILE TAX RETURNS TOO? Of course you are, because an illigitimate business probably wouldn't do that either because they wouldn't want the government to attract any attention to them. They'd want all their business to be "under the table". Is that the case with ebullion & egold though & did owners file tax returns? How about all the advertising that both those companies do? Wouldn't that attract unwanted attention too? You would think if they are advertising generally to the public, that would be unwanted attention also for the government to look into them. Did both companies advertise extensively?

Your conclusion that if a business isn't licensed or registered is automatically suspect of being a criminal enterprise, is ridiculous.

Licensing is just a governmental way to reduce competition & drive the price up of the service TO ALL CONSUMERS, or extract huge fees from the business, payable to the government, for the privilege of doing business in that arena.

mogel007 said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Since the documents were a crock to begin with, there being no such thing as an "affidavit of truth" to begin with, whatever the legal quotes may or may not have been, they DIDN'T give any validity to the nonsense signed by the twin idiots.

BY THE WAY, YOU'RE RIGHT I CAN'T READ YOUR ENGLISH. THE WORD, IS "DIDN'T", NOT "DID". I CORRECTED IT FOR YOU IN YOUR QUOTE SO IT MADE SENSE.
SURE THE DOREAN GROUP GAVE PROOF OR LEGITMACY OF THEIR AFFIDAVIT, THEY CITED FEDERAL RESERVE PUBLICATION QUOTES EXACTLY AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PRINTED, AND GAVE A WITNESS & AFFADAVIT BY A CPA, WHO QUOTED AUTHORITIIES & GAVE HIS EXPERTISE & KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE ACCOUNTING WORKS IN A LENDING TRASACTION, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

Notarial continues: " The affidavits were legal nonsense. Not having seen the material quoted I can make no speculations upon it, although if it is of the same quality as the rest of the Dorean legal scholarship, it was a collection of misquotes and nonsense."

SORRY, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 'LEGAL NONSENSE' & DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE THAT'S A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS. BY THE WAY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN USING THE TERM 'AFFIDAVIT OF TRUTH' AND 'LEGAL NONSENSE'? IS THERE A HUGE DIFFERENCE??????
HOW HYPOCRITICAL TO CALL SOMETHING NONSENSE IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT COMPLETELY. CERTAINLY YOU CAN'T JUDGE IT. EVEN MORE FUNNY IS THAT YOU JUDGE THE DOREAN GROUP'S AFFIDAVIT WITHOUT HAVING COMPLETELY READ IT & THEN CONCLUDE IT MUST BE SUCH & SUCH & BE A CERTAIN WAY, SUCH AS DEFINITE "MISQUOTES" AND "NONSENSE" BASED UPON OTHER WORK DONE BY THE DOREAN GROUP. SO DOES THAT MEAN IF AN AUTHOR HAS A BEST SELLING FICTION NOVEL, THAT ALL OF HIS FICITION NOVELS WILL SELL TOO? :o)

Yea, you would be a great witness in court upon cross-examination, that being assuming the attorney could understand your spoken English & apparent contradictions in your own logic and standards.

notorial dissent said...

And Moogie is off again
Are you implying that the promissory note HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LENDING TRANSACTION? Obviously you are.

No, he is implying that because the note is tied to a real estate transaction, the real estate laws take precedence.

and really reaching to justify a stupid statement
If you are worth alot of money, & really really rich, I can see why a businessman would keep that much money near his house.

You also think Dorean is legitimate, which says a great deal about you lack of grasp of reality. The rest of your drivel is total nonsense, in the first place the people involved in this were not born during the depression, and if assuming they even knew what you were talking about it would mean nothing to them, if they were in fact born within 20 years of the depression I would be surprised. What individuals do is one thing, there will always be hoarders and loons running around, your sweet as a prime example, but I will repeat, once more for the dim of thought, that no “honest” business man, and particularly not someone in the financial industry is going to have that much cash and particularly that much gold lying around their home. Particularly when it almost certainly would have had to have been their customers, if you have that kind of assets, you have them in a very strong safe somewhere safe, or you won’t have them long. The rest of your anecdotal evidence, is just that anecdote and irrelevant to the topic at hand, as usual.

I have no idea if either e-bullion or e-gold ever filed a tax return, I would be surprised if they had filed honest ones, but then we will eventually find out when it all comes to trial I am sure, since people who are in the business of laundering money seldom are honest about how much they are making on it, the two sort of go hand in hand. A lot of it will depend on the kind and quality of records they kept as well, sloppiness may aid their customers, but come back to haunt the principals. Time will tell.

and trying to find an angle
Your conclusion that if a business isn't licensed or registered is automatically suspect of being a criminal enterprise, is ridiculous.

When one is in the financial or precious metals business, one almost guarantees the other, otherwise it depends upon circumstances.

and trying another justification that doesn’t fly
Licensing is just a governmental way to reduce competition & drive the price up of the service TO ALL CONSUMERS, or extract huge fees from the business, payable to the government, for the privilege of doing business in that arena.

BS, and particularly in this case, it is to protect people from being ripped off and defrauded by some fly by night, or for a business being used to illegally channel money, which was what was happening in the Miami case, and most likely in the LA case. As I said time will tell all the details.

Moogey the grammarian
BY THE WAY, YOU'RE RIGHT I CAN'T READ YOUR ENGLISH. THE WORD, IS "DIDN'T", NOT "DID".

Oh, my, I misspelled a word and missed it in proofing, the world will come to an end and Moogey will quit blathering, or learn how to spell himself.

Moogs rants on
THEY CITED FEDERAL RESERVE PUBLICATION QUOTES EXACTLY AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PRINTED, AND GAVE A WITNESS & AFFADAVIT BY A CPA,

I don’t care if they quoted the Book of the Dead, it doesn’t give any more veracity or legality to the rest of the nonsense.

Hate to break it to you Moogs, but legal nonsense is anything that purports to be a legal document, and isn’t, or is made up of legal sounding nonsense, which is exactly what the Dorean crap was. No matter how you slice it, there was no legal backing for any of it, therefore it is legal(sounding) nonsense(if you prefer), but crap it always was.

As to my being a witness in court, at least I wouldn’t have to worry about perjury charges.