Monday, July 25, 2005

“Difficult But Going Well”

Well I am preparing to take on the legal system head on. It ’tis important to note that both Scott and I are the founders of The Dorean Group, but neither of us are necessary to its daily operation. My function now is to challenge the illegal assault on the company. This is a sufficient task for me to handle. The day to day operations are being well handled by a very competent and dedicated staff. I shall continue to update you as to how things are progressing with the case they have filed and any others they may plan to file. To the faithful continue to pray, to those that oppose us wait and watch the announcement of our victory.

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imbigo said...

Go get-em...
James 5:16b
The effectual fervent prayer of a rightous man availeth much.

Both you and Scott were at the Altar of the Lord yesterday, and continue to be in our hearts daily!!

I'll join you in a fast 07/26 for more POWER!!!

GODS SPEED.

Mortgageman said...

The fight for victory will be impossible if you do not eat and drink. Either you plan to win in the next 14 days or the fight will be lost.

Why don't you guys take the abuse of the holy word out of this argument. This is not a religious crusade it is a scam. Let the "proven" statistics push your point, not the emotional rethoric of religion.

imbigo said...

Mortgageman...

Stick with your "scam theory" and leave the spiritual things to those of us who understand the spiritual!!!

It shows that you dont have a clue about these type of spiritual matters.

Mortgageman said...

imbigo:

Spiritual!!!!

Give me a break.....

People are being hurt by you guys. What religion is that?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

mortgage man you are really a dumb ass. Put two and two together! If it was an all out scam, the FBI would have shut Dorean down in February. They are still open sh*t for brains! I called the office Friday. I'll agree with you the hunger strike isn't smart, but please man......it is not a scam! If you are so convinced, call the FBI and ask them why they are still open.

blueletterproxy said...

Sure, sure deathpledgeman...

The REAL scam is your profiteering off the sale of "Mortuus Gages" while feeling protected by the bar... oops... I mean B.A.R. (British Accredited Registry), Esquires (Agents of the King) those Tory Lawyer Attorneys that you can only rent from the enemy for a day.

The UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) is the supported Law of this World and is what supports Kurt & Scott as 'Law-abiding' whilst you, on the other hand, don't want to be exposed for being made a fool, by having participated in feeding all of your MortuusGage clients to the private banker wolves.

Your angle is 'save face' & 'save job'.

Understandable.

southernspoken said...

I fasted and prayed this morning for the both of you and God said, THIS TOO SHALL PASS. Be strong, stand tall, for the words that come out of your mouth shall be mine. Fear not for the enemy is at hand and they too shall feel the wrath of my fury. For as I have said, VENGEANCE IS MINE, saith the Lord. I challenge all of you believers to fast and pray with me in the morning, for I shall be in the word for another message.

habakkuk said...

For those who think the Holy Word is being "abused" and maybe irrelavent....heres some more for ya:

Micah 2:1-3 (Living Bible Version)
How terrible it will be for you who lie awake at night, thinking up evil plans. You rise at dawn and hurry to carry out any of the wicked schemes you have power to accomplish. WHEN YOU WANT A CERTAIN PIECE OF LAND YOU FIND A WAY TO SEIZE IT. WHEN YOU WANT SOMEONE'S HOUSE, YOU TAKE IT BY FRAUD AND VIOLENCE. NO ONE'S FAMILY OR INHERITANCE IS SAFE WITH YOU AROUND! But this is what the Lord says: "I WILL REWARD YOUR EVIL WITH EVIL; YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO ESCAPE! AFTER I AM THROUGH WITH YOU, NONE OF YOU WILL EVER AGAIN WORK PROUDLY IN THE STREETS".

Like i said my friend, the Bible is not a book of religion, its a book of Law, Justice, and Government. HIS Government. In HIS Kingdom....HE RULES. I'm glad our friends Kurt and Scott understand the truth. "The truth will make you free".

Mortgageman said...

theswami:

Insults, insults. Is that all you guys have for defense of this scam.

Please tell tcob why he has problems. Tell just want out. Tell thk9901 why they have not heard from TDG in 3 months. Please tell habakkuk why the parents are in foreclosure. I know 6 others that are not on this blog that are in foreclosure.


blueletterproxy:

I am not in the mortgage business I made the name up because the other name I wanted to use was not accepted. I personally believe that the mortgage business needs a lot of work but I know that this scam is not helping the fight.

blueletterproxy said...

Anyone want to connect the dots for deathpledgeman?

Show deathpledgeman the connection between the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code), the supported Law of this World & those Ten (10) Commandments that are mentioned in...

mentioned in...

...now, what was that book called again?

Mortgageman said...

blueletterproxy:

It does not matter what you people say about the holyness of this crusade. The scam is hurting people. People are being hurt. Losing your home to a scam hurts.

God does not like for people to hurt other people. The golden rule.

Feed the hungry, cloth the naked don't trick people into losing what they have worked so hard for and fall back on the word.

habakkuk said...

Scott and Kurt,
This is for you from your Heavenly Lawyer:

2 Chronicles 20:17 (KJV) Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: Set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the Lord with you.

I know you feel the need to fast and pray....and if thats what you feel God is instructing you to do then don't let me stand in your way. But try to use wisdom too. My advice: Let those of us on the outside continue to do the fasting and praying for you. You need your "wits" while your in there. God is right there with you....He is fighting for you.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

Let's all get together and pray for the victims that have been hurt as well. Or should they fend for themselves.

blueletterproxy said...

the mortgage IS the scam.

the mortgage IS the scam.
the mortgage IS the scam.
the mortgage IS the scam.
the mortgage IS the scam.

the mortgage IS the scam.

Mortgageman said...

blueletterproxy:

Fine. Then protest, write your representatives, hire a lawyer.

You could do all of the things within the law to show an injustice.

Or you can create a company that suckers people into a false idea that they will not have to pay for their home and they will actually put money in their pocket buy re-doing the mortgage process (the illegal process)and giving the bulk of the re-fi money to TDG.

I guess that if you think that a mortgage is a scam and people have fallen for that scam then they should be ripe for this one.

habakkuk said...

Proverbs 23:9 Dont waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.

Now thats out of the way, To every client that feels they got cheated by this process: Dont get "seduced by the dark side" I found myself almost doing that but then i caught myself and realized i was on the right side. I also sensed that Scott and Kurt are men of integrity and they are just standing up for what is right. So to use biblical terms...FEAR NOT, dont get out of the boat, we will all get to the other side, dont give up. Besides, what other choice do you have at this point.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

You guys are like fighting a ghost. Can't answer what is happening to the victims but can throw out abuse of scriptures to try and keep the scam going.

What religion is this? Does it have a name? Doreanathism?

blueletterproxy said...

I do not know that deathpledgeman is a fool.

I've seen people take up to a whole year to wake up to the revelation of how this world
works regarding Commercial / Admiralty / Maritime Law.

Also, these posts are read by A LOT of people.

How much fools were we before we understood?

How much fools are we to what we have yet to learn?

Peace.

Tulsa John said...

Correctin to one of MY POSTS

To all who read the comments; I just received an email that I made a mistake on my post concerning the way the money was split. The CPA does not recieved a dollar amount for his report. In the light of that correction. The Dorean group would receive $1,000 per first mortgage.

I apologize for my mistake. Where ever truth falls, it should be disclosed.

habakkuk said...

blueletterproxy,

to clarify: the "fool" in this scenario is mortgageman. I really don't feel the need to answer him when he talks nothing but nonsense.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

Call names and divert. Don't answer what the victims should do when they go to you for help. Just keep on scamming.

tcob247 said...

habakkuk.....did you just go see star wars????
I just had a big Mac and fries
mmmmmmmmmmm
Sooooo....God is a lawyer now??

habakkuk said...

Abuse of Scripture? Are u kidding me? When you read Micah 2:1-3 what do you think he's talking about? How bout the 100s of other scriptures in the Bible that talk about the same topic? HELLO!! The bottom line is, our founding fathers (Christians)even adhered to scripture when they set our currency guidlines in the Constitution. Where do you think they got that from? HELLO!!! You gotta read, it will really help you when your trying to have an opinion.

I know, all you can think about right now is how you got "Scammed" etc etc....You have no ability to see the Big picture.....Or do you?

habakkuk said...

tcob,

Jesus in the Bible is known as our Advocate (Lawyer). Who do you think gave the LAW to Moses? Where do you think our laws originate from? Think about it and then answer. ok.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

Use some comforting words for the people that you guys have taken in this criminal interprise.

You have so many scriptures for the people that are in jail that are being held accountable, what about the victims.

Buy the way I am not a direct victim but I feel the pain of those who have been taken.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk;

please excuse the spelling.

I have never been very good at it.

abentl said...

Mortgageman= neodemesne(spelling?)

Mortgageman said...

abentl:

Please read the entry above yours.

abentl said...

who else besides Neodemesne will sit behind a computer all day and do nothing else but bash on something we believe in. No one is forcing you Mortgageman to be here, if you do not like it, then you can leave....Bruce :)

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
Listen, i don't know you, nor do i know what your motivation really is in this. I think you mean well in the sense that you dont want to see innocent people taken advantage of....neither do i. If anyone has reason to be ticked-off its me and my family.....We've been thru hell going thru this. Our house was in foreclosure at one time....but by nothing but a miracle the bank reinstated it. I dont know how to make you see things the way i do.....Let me just say this.....and i speak words of faith.....To all those who feel they are victims now, Fear not, you will soon no longer be victoms but victors. Have faith....you have the Word of God in your corner....and you can never loose with God in your corner.

Mortgageman said...

abentl:



I do like it very much. I find it interesting that maybe one person will see that you guys are screwing innocent people.

I hear scripture, I hear justice but I am still waiting for you to say something good to your victims.

This takes very little of my time as I do not stop to think about spelling. My message is very simple and you guys can not answer the question. How did your vicims become victims?

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

Why would you want other believers (or non-believers for that matter) to suffer as your family has?

Their are plenty of good people that will lose their homes over this. God will still love them and he will help them but why should they have to go through this?

Tulsa John said...

Martyrs get special rewards.

Martyers do not apply for the position but, are those who stand up for the Truth.

Judge Roy Bean said...

habakkuk - Who would you suggest the non-Christian victims approach? Or was this an exclusive "opportunity" among the faithful?

Mortgageman said...

Judge Roy Bean:

Well said Judge.

Tulsa John said...

The rain falls on the just and unjust!

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
I hear what your saying, but we all knew the risks of dealing with these immoral banks, judges, FBI agents, etc. I dont know how many times TDG warned us about the "bad behavior" of the banks and how it was unpredictable. We all signed agreements. We were cautioned that if we were not ready to take a little heat...then get out of the kitchen. So, i'm not going to do any gripping since i knew the risks. I'm just doing what i know to do....and thats rely on the God who has always taken care of me and my family since we committed our lives to HIM and HIS Word. I'm not at all suprised either that when i start talking the truth that others want to call me crazy....Let them talk, i could care less. All i know is that when we come out on the other side of this thing victorious, there will be no mistaking WHO made it happen. And all of HIS critics will be silenced. And me and my family along with all those who believe in the TRUTH and a God who watches over his Word (TRUTH) will sit back and be just like the children of Israel when they saw the Red Sea close in on the Egyptian Army. And God said: "You shall see this enemy no more".

By the way, a little biblical tid bit: Egypt always represents the worldy, financial system in the bible. Just a little food for thought. Hey, i cant help it guys, i'm the son of a pastor. You tend to pick up these things from going to church.

habakkuk said...

Well said Tulsa John

habakkuk said...

Judge Roy Bean,

Welcome to the conversation. I invite believers and non-believers to watch whats going to play out. Just like the apostle Paul told the other prisoners who were with him on the boat in the storm: "God has given me all who sail with me, not one of your lives will be lost, if you stay in the boat".

If the non-believers choice to "stay in the boat" and see what God can do, maybe they might change their "non" status;)

But, i'm not telling anyone what to do.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

What exactley is going to "play out". I hear all of this talk about victory and the success of this group. What is going to play out, how is it going to play out and who is going to benifit?

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
Dude, its exuasting chatting with you. Why don't we both go enjoy the rest of this summer day. Go pour yourself a cold glass of lemonade, go chill with your family. Or better yet: why not go and take 5 minutes to say a prayer. Ask God what HIS take is on this subject. Dont take my word for it....go ask HIM. He might just answer you.

Tulsa John said...

Mortgageman:

It is amazing after all this time and all your comments, you don't have a clue what is going on do you? You are just hear to harrass.

One thing Kurt says about the Blog and the website, he wants everything that people say known. He wants any actual evidence provided by any gain sayer.

Even Mortgageman's opinion should be heard. After, all the serpent was allowed to speak why not his prophets???

Mortgageman said...

Tulsa John:

Enlighten me as to how this will end for the victims. If I am so evil why should I care about them?

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
Ok, i should be sipping lemonade about now but......I dont think you are evil, you are just one of those people that always chooses to see the glass half empty. You just have to learn to realize who the real enemy is....i can assure you its not TDG. If you would just focus on the billions the bankers stole from the American people and not the few thousand TDG got from you to try and win your freedom. Can't you hear the bankers laughing at you right now? They are saying: "Yeah, this guy is one of our disciples. I'm so glad this brainwasing thing still works on some poeple."

Letterman said...

habakkuk,

Well said. There are victims due to the illegal behavior of the judges, banks and their attorneys. And yes, I'm in foreclosure. But I'll stand for the truth, this process, Kurt and Scott till the end even if I lose the house.

I wouldn't care to guess how many laws our own gov't agencies have broken in dealing with the Dorean Group, Kurt and Scott.

Mortgageman,

What is going to "play out" is known to quite a few on this blog. You'll just have to wait and see.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

Thanks for not believing that I am evil (not perfect but not exactley evil).

I have borrowed money (I know that you guys say that I really did not). I used the money to buy houses, I paid the money back and now I own the houses. Some I paid off very quickly and paid very little interest on.

I know of people that took out the loan, did not pay it back and got foreclosed on.

If your uncle gave you $100,000 to buy a house and you gave him a promise to pay (note) do you believe that you owe him the money back even though he now has a promisory note from you that is worth $100,000?

Mortgageman said...

Letterman:

I have stated what I believe will play out for the victims (forecloser, hurt, loss). Some of them are not even having to wait to find out what glory awaits them. I would bet that the victims of this would like for you guys to let them in on this glorious little secrete of how (exactly) they are going to be okay.

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Starfish Prime said...

Blueletterproxy,

You are way off the mark. You are traveling down the wrong path.

http://home.hiwaay.net/%7Ebecraft/deadissues.htm

This will show why your BAR and UCC Law of the Land stuff is bull..I believed it all once myself..even sent in my $100 for the yako at peoples-rights.org.

Save yourself from this non-sense*

Gforce said...

"The just shall live by FAITH." Heb.10:38-------Heb.11:1"Now faith is the assurance(the confirmation,the TITLE DEED)of the things we hope for, being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their REALITY[faith percieving as REAL FACT what is not revealed to the senses].(Amp)----------The use of the Word of God is meant for(among many other things) WARFARE. 2Cor.10:3-4"For though we live in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using MERE human weapons. for the weapons of our warfare areNOT physical, but they are mighty before God for the OVERTHROW and DESTRUCTION of strongholds." If you are feeling "abused by the use of the Word of God, you are definitely on the wrong side of this battle.

Starfish Prime said...

What would you say of these bankers who can read these scriptures and apply them to THEIR situation. This is not a holy battle..and the Bible wasn't written with TDG in mind. The scriptures are important but there are some here that are taking this a bit too far..

Kurt fasting? I have heard some strange but wonderful stories by those who have fasted and wonderful things have happened..kind of unexplainable.

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
I cant tell you how many times i've heard the "I borrowed money from the bank and i bought a house with it" example. If you dont understand by now how the banks are frauding the masses i dont know what to say to you. God calls it "unjust weight and measures" or "usury". He calls it an "abomination" and HE will not tolerate it. And neither do i. Its a scheme that goes all the way back to the bible and its always seems to make an appearance here and there. Jesus drove these same moneychangers out of the temple and overturned their tables. Hmmmmmmm, think about that. Its the only time when we see Jesus physically angry in His life. It just goes to show you what God really thinks about this sinister practice. Its no wonder God says "the love of money is the ROOT of all evil."

Starfish Prime said...

Blueletterproxy,

We are still a British Colony, right?? (LAUGH)

Here's something you'll bite on for sure...www.reformation.org (LAUGH) ROME still controls us!! (LAUGH)

Ease up on the mushrooms.

tcob247 said...

gforce....i think you are taking scripture out of context. Yes there is a spiritual battle, but it is for our souls, not our mortgages.

Habakkuk....the apostel Paul was incarcerated because he was preaching the gospel. I hope you are not comparing yourself to him.
I bet David Koresh tole his followers they wold be safe too.

You guys are getting scary relating this all to scripture. Is this the beginning of a cult?

Oh by the way....Farrel will you be taking over when Kurt passes away? Now there is a real man of God

habakkuk said...

Starfish prime,
Greetings, I really dont think we are taking this too far when it comes to applying the Word of God. Its all too clear that God has an opinion when it comes to this topic....i dont have the time to state the numerous scriptures. And saying that the bible wasn't written with TDG in mind is like saying God didn't have you or me in mind when HE inspired men to write it. What if TDG is the "straw that breaks the camels back" and the whole banking industry is changed because of their courage. Would you then say the same thing? We are all a part of a Grand story my friend, I have my own chapter, so do you, and so does TDG. But if you dont have the Word of God as a guide to lead you to do whats right, your story will not have a good ending.

habakkuk said...

Hey tcob,
relax dude. I'm not calling myself the Savior or anything. I'm justing pointing out what the Bible says in PRINCIPLE....you can apply the PRINCIPLES of the Word and it can be relavent. Didn't the founding fathers apply the principles of the Bible to our constitution??? Because they did, you and i are able to have fun on the internet blogging all day without being thrown in jail because we can't have an opinion. Or maybe that too is slipping away....hmmmmmmm.

abentl said...

Mortgageman- Do we have to go through this Uncle thing AGAIN?? Obviously you did not understand the other 100 posts of how your uncle lends money from his own pocket, money he has worked for and sweat for. The banks on the other hand CREATED it!!! Like Swami said before, you are on page 4 while the rest of us on page 400... your way out of your league here.

whataboutjere said...

Who said that there were no promises or guarantees in this process?

whataboutjere said...

On the (7-13-05) CCR conference call Kurt said: "For those of you who are having a hard time with foreclosures, courts, lawyers and everybody, it's going to be solved by next week (7-20-05) with this particular situation of wrapping this stuff up and the remedies are going to be much more swifter and regarding the collateral estoppel, the troubled clients are the first on the list for obvious reasons, and what we're about to do will stop ALL foreclosures in there tracks right now - GUARANTEED - and should make them completely go away."

whataboutjere said...

However, on last week's conference call (7-20-05) Kurt said that, "There were 30 defaults (default notices) sent out which will slow down NON-JUDICIAL foreclosures. These defaults create competing defaults in the public record which eliminates summary process of non-judicial foreclosure and moves it into litigation and then TDG has to prove the default."

What changed from what Kurt said on 7-13-05 to 7-20-05? What happened to stopping ALL foreclosures? And because no one was smart enough to ask the question, What specifically is being done with regards to the JUDICIAL foreclosures? My sale date is set for the first week in August.

whataboutjere said...

So, for those on this Blog who are in foreclosure, has anyone received notice that their foreclosure has been stopped in the past three weeks?

newyorklife said...

the big question is: Why are you in foreclosure?

a) Non-Payment
b) In TDG process
c) None of the above

whataboutjere said...

Both a and b. Dorean had instructed me to stop making my payments and never told me that I had to catch up on my payments.

douglasc said...

JRB, continued from “The Desert” blog,

JRB:
“Douglas, again, what bothers me the most is that people with legitimate mortgage problems get lured into these Internet-driven schemes because they can't afford effective legal representation - members of the bar that are appropriately trained in fighting the mortgage industry predators.”

Douglas:
JRB, you are comparing oranges to tangerines. You are purporting that a select few loans are fraudulent and based on predatory lending practices. You do understand that TDG argues that ALL FDIC insured loans are deceptive based on contract law violations not to mention fraudulently lending credit, don’t you?

JRB:
“As soon as the discredited theory motions and filings start showing up, even people who might have been able to prove the lender was engaged in illegal fraudulent behavior are doomed.”

Douglas:
Here in lies the problem. Just because there is an ASSUMPTION that TDG has committed a fraud (due to judge Alsup establishing his own law), doesn't actually mean that fraud has taken place. Where is the bond my bank never returned? How many FRN’s were they able to create with it? I’ll tell you how many, MORE than enough to pay off my loan n times. What these judges are doing is turning their heads to the FACTS and not allowing proper discovery to take place.

JRB:
“If you argue the world is flat, you loose credibility that the mortgage servicer played fast and loose with your payments or isn't living up to the terms of the underlying mortgage documents.”

Douglas: See both previous and post answers.

JRB: “The problem is, the judiciary believes in the roundness of the world we live in.”

Douglas: Yes the world is round, from space, but, based on a 25-mile radius, the world is truly flat; problem is that “they” will not allow that as evidence enough for further discovery (it’s all about perspective). Your analogy is akin to Bill Smith’s argument in that the financial statement would show evidence that the bank is NOT conducting fraudulent activities. The problem with that theory is that the financial statement is NOT the accounting ledger in that it doesn’t allow for microanalysis (macro v. micro or round earth from space v. a flat world within a 25 mile radius).

JRB:
“I work to expose the blunders of not only the judiciary, but the supposed regulators (sleeping dogs) and the the predators (Squaliformes and thier ilk) who take advantage of people every day on the round earth.”

Douglas:
If you have a valid case, there should be NO problem winning, right? You are basing your facts upon predatory lending practices, (TILA, HOEPA, Usury, and RESPA violations) NOT TDG’s arguments, right??? Two distinct arguments…

Starfish Prime said...

Mortgage Man,

Is there something about your uncle you'd like to share with us all. Did he not pay you back...?

Hahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahahah

hahahaha

hahah

haha

heh

he

mmmm... not funny.

Starfish Prime said...

Habakkuk,

You are right when you say that God had us in mind but I meant.. not the Dorean Group specifically .. as if the prophets knew that Kurt would come along..I think you are just taking this a little too far and I share your enthusiasm when thinking about a successful end to this saga.

No cults please.

I do read the scriptures and I am religious and I don't need you telling me whether or not I will go to heaven or hell. I just don't see things the same when it comes to God and Dorean.

We all want to believe he is on our side. But September 11 still happened..and the IRS happened..

Don't be delusional that's all.

Starfish Prime said...

Whereboutcherey,

Answer A) means you jumped shipped too early pal. Don't stop making your payments until Kurt tell us to.

a and b...hmmmm "a" would be your biggest problem.

HO HUM

whataboutjere said...

Stankfish, you have serious comprehension problems. Let me spell it out for you:

1. Dorean told me to stop making payments after the presentment.

2. Dorean never told me that I had to reinstate the loan to prevent foreclosure.

Does this clarify your confusion?

Starfish Prime said...

yes.

Tony Tuba said...

Mortgageman said...
Judge Roy Bean:

Well said Judge.



If you(Mortgageman) say you are not a mortgage broker, what makes you think the judge really is a judge?

Tony Tuba said...

47 days to pay dirt

Tony Tuba said...

In all wars, there are innocent casualties.

oneequalsone said...

you are either in with Dorean and committed or your not;

To all the haters of Dorean; guess what... we hate y'all right back 100 fold.

and one more for ya

We aren't phased by you even in the most infinitesimal way you think; and yeah we hate ya'll right back real bad along with all your really bright hatin'; so bring it; bring all you got, bring all your weak bored out of your mind effort without nothing better to do, like your generating some kind of worthy resistance, so do us a favor and more importantly your sorry self a favor yes your sorry self and get up on out of here and go b**ch at someone who gives a da*n cause you aint see anyone here who does and guess what if ya do then hey we hate you to yep yep reach deep find somethin' clever to say, yep your guessed it we all still dont care what comes out of your bile spillin' wicked, warped, and cursed tongues now or ever. oh yah to the haters have a good time hatin' cause its real fun watchin someone like ya'll loathe figurin' out what to say next; what a waste; yah i mean you; gosh and i sure hope you dont think im gonna stick around to read what you write back, how pitiful a real shame;

Dorean will crush you and root you fully out oh yes fully out.

ah nothin' like blogger.com!

~QUEANNAEAEAEA~

Tony Tuba said...

OneEqualsOne's rant tells me one thing........The Playboy Channel has obviously been removed in your home.

Starfish Prime said...

ditto Mr. Freely

tcob247 said...

onequesy.....was that the rap version???
There's nothing here about hate.
Just would like for someone (just one) to come in here and say the process worked for them. Haven't seen that yet. What you got so far is thousands of people with $3,000+ out of their pockets, many people in foreclosure, many more with their houses tied up in a worthless trust, and the two founders in jail, one of whom has 8 days to live. Wow, way to bash on us haters. When you gonna wake up and smell the koolaid?????

midwesttoo said...

tcob247,

curious, what do you consider a 'success'?

tcob247 said...

why midwestup.....I am suprised you asked that. A success is what they purport to do for you.
1. A free and clear title
2. No mortgage payments
3. Cash in your pocket from a refinance
Not one person has come forward that have had these things occur.
Now, may I ask, what do you consider a success? Are you in the program?

habakkuk said...

starfish prime,
Who ever said you were going to hell? I have no idea what you do in the dark pal.....Thats between you and God.

If you dont think God knew that a man named Kurt Johnson would start a company called TDG then you are not familiar with the omiscience of God. He knew that you would choose a danish over a donut for breakfast this morning;)...God works thru individuals, who make up companies, and families, and cities, and states, and countries. Again i ask you....was God with the founders of our country when they wrote our constitution and formed our country? A country that uses the Ten Commandments as a foundation for our laws. I guess George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were "cult" members right? Gimme a break. Listen, by nature i am not one to condemn people, so dont think i'm trying to thump people over the head with the Word.....But I AM trying to convince you that its more relevant to this situation and to this time than you think it is. Yeah, we have to live thru 911s, and all the stuff in life that sin brought with it......But i cant tell you how many times me and my family were spared from a lot of tragedies because we were connected to the God of the Bible. Yes, we do experience hurt, and death of loved ones, etc. But without God i dont know how we would have coped. So i take offense when people like you call God-fearing people like myself "cult" members. No one is forcing you to believe what i'm saying. I guess we will see what happens...right.

Mortgageman said...

Abentl:

What page of the book helps whataboutjere and tcob? There must be a section of the book that is titled "Oops you have to get screwed so that the great Kurt can fulfill destiny". Gee there must be a great chapter in the book about lies that need to be told in order to screw people out of their money and their homes.

Where is the cahpter in those 400 pages that tells tcob and whataboutjere how to get their lives back.

Where is the chapter that answers tcob's question about a list of people that have com out of this thing okay.

You are out of your league and you will be the next level of criminal that the FBI puts away. You sir are perpetuating this horrific fraud!

imbigo said...

Mortgageman,

Everyone in this process knew befor they entered in the RISK! I for one did, and anyone who did'nt didnt read the paperwork "SHAME ON YOU" I told myself that I wasn'nt going to respond to any more bloggs, but I've been reading a lot of junk here. First who ever said that Kurt was trying to kill himself?

I just saw him yesterday he looks very healthy to me!!! Jesus fasted forty day and nights...Hello

Those of us that know better know that you were put here to "SCARE" away those whos FAITH is'nt as strong as others.

We can sit here all day and write back and forth, but that facts remain. from your own words the mortgage industry is very flaud and someone needs to do something.

imbigo said...

Either you are part of problem or you are part of the solution.

imbigo said...

Lots of Men spent time in jails or prison for doing something to help other people.

MLK Jr.
Nelson Mandella
The Apostal Paul
and many many more

so just because these guys are in jail does'nt mean they are doing something wrong.

I know in my spirit that these guys will be freed very soon.

Mortgageman said...

imbigo:

A lot of things are flaud but they can be addressed constructively without hurting innocent people.

This is a business scam, not a religious crusade. Kurt is not Jesus fighting for our souls he is a criminal that compares himself to Jesus to sucker people into his trap.

I believe that Kurt is the one who said that he was killing himself when he said that he is starving himself and that in the natural his kidneys will shut down in 14 days. I guess that I am not as good as the Kurt followers at decifering his profound words, it sounded to a simpleton like me that he was starving himself to death for the crusade.

whataboutjere said...

imbigo, back when I signed up all that was communicated was that the banks were only sending out letters and threatening calls. My contract states nothing about the potential risk of losing my home, only to "sit back and relax while we take care of everything..."

Your argument is weak. Dorean did absolutely NOTHING to help me from the time the judge approved the summary judgment for the bank.

Kurt specifically said two weeks ago what they are doing will stop all foreclosures GUARANTEED by the week of 7-20!!! What happened to change that?

Mortgageman said...

whataboutjere:

Kurt is starving himself, that should take care of your proplem.

I have asked everyone on this blog what they were going to do for the victims like you and all I hear is religious rethoric.

These people have been scammed by a master and the refuse to believe that a criminal motivated by greed doesn't care who he hurts.

Sorry dude.

whataboutjere said...

I should have known. Every time Kurt said something on a call, I would try to verify with the office and they never knew what I was talking about. Is it just me, or are there others with the same questions and concerns? I'm mean, look at Farrell's forum, he being so close to Kurt was having second thoughts.

Point blank, I would like to know if there was any truth to what Kurt said by stating his GUARANTEE, or was that just fluff so that there wouldn't be a mass exodus?

Judge Roy Bean said...

Farrel's most recent forum post reveals the fact that the entire scheme is indeed connected back to a number of well-known Internet fraud artists who have been perpetuating myths and profiting from it for many years.

Mitchell and his ilk seem to always be able to find sycophants who can be lured in to pay to hear or read about the secrets.

Then when enough of the marks are sufficiently armed with bogus mythology and several axes to grind, they are ripe for the taking by the likes of Heineman and Johnson in a quasi-religious fervor.

No minds will be changed here; I fear many of the victims will continue listening to the alluring tale of the now-martyr.

Instead of taking steps to avoid the pending financial catastrophe, their pride is going to be boosted even more by their self-righteousness.

What they're missing is the historical component of the story; these scams ARE NOTHING NEW. Same food, slightly different seasoning.

The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com

whataboutjere said...

While you are here Judge, care to expound on what seems like a weak attempt to attack Judge Alsup - NOTICE AND DEMAND FOR EXHIBITION OF CERTIFICATE?

imbigo said...

HONORABLE,

I am begging you guys Bean Mortgageman, tc,jere....

What are you guys going to say when when this battle is won?

Nothing has change everything is still moving foward.

PLEASE STAND BY!!!!!

whataboutjere said...

imbigo, what are you going to say to me when the sheriff comes to my house to kick me and my family out? Oh, too bad sucker/it was your fault, you were never given any GUARANTEES.

imbigo said...

To honest with jere I think you're a "MOLE" so your opion, comments, ect. mean nothing to me!

whataboutjere said...

I don't have the luxury of time here. I can't wait for promises of tomorrow when I have immediate needs today an no one to offer help.

Gforce said...

For those who recognize TRUTH---The generation of Israelites that complained and whined while being delivered from bondage never made it to the Promise Land. They even accused Moses of leading them out there to die. The whiners and complainers ALL died in the wilderness. Ten out of twelve spies panicked at the site of the enemy and even compared themselves to grasshoppers and convinced the masses to panic also. Joshua and Caleb were the only ones out of that generation to go into the land of promise. Two chose to live by FAITH and the rest chose to live by fear. "This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, you shall meditate on it day AND night, then you WILL BE prosperous and successful." Josh.1:8

whataboutjere said...

fuck you asshole! I'm serious about this shit you insensitive bastard. I'm losing my home and all you can say is I'm a mole?

imbigo said...

Who is your agent who are talking to.

whataboutjere said...

I have no agent or broker. I came in before there were any. I apologize for the outburst. But DAMN, it frustrates the hell out of me that I'm truly trying to be sincere with my questions, not blaming anyone, but looking for the truth based on what Kurt said.

tcob247 said...

whatabout....thats the way they are. Yjey don't give a rats ass about people who plunked down $3000 for a promise to rid them of their mortgage and put cash in their pocket. They left you out to hang. All they can say is you are a mole.
Where are these promises Kurt kept making? He's killing himself now.
Customer service sucks and they don't have a clue. This whole thing is a sham. Shame on you people for backing this.
Wish I could help you whatabout, but I'm in the same boat

imbigo said...

If you are truly in that much troble why dont you get off the blogspot get on a plain come out here and talk to the staff at TDG personaly. Your spending a lot af valuable time talking to these bloggers when you could be doing you process some real good.

whataboutjere said...

Since you seem to know what's going on, what good will that do me if I were able to say drive there? Are you saying from personal knowledge that if I do, they/I will be able to stop the foreclosure?

I'm not wasting anyone's time here. There are many people in the same boat as I am with the same questions who are afraid to ask.

imbigo said...

Come Jere afraid to ask!!!!

Are you telling me that others are loosing their Homes' and they are afraid to ask what is going on!!!!!
You got to be kidden me!!!!!

tcob247 said...

imlittleo
why should he have to get on a plane?????What kind of customer service is that. They don't even respond to phone calls and e-mails.
Are you in the process?

imbigo said...

R U ????

tcob247 said...

great come back.
Yes I am in, case you cant read.
Now, are you?

tcob247 said...

you didnt answer my question about why he should have to get on a plane

whataboutjere said...

And, what's so hard to believe about that? People are afraid that somehow they will be black-balled because they questioned the process. Now answer my previous question.

tcob247 said...

Correct.....for instance Farrel

habakkuk said...

whataboutjere,
what is your current status? If i know the answer to the question i will tell you.

imbigo said...

I think if you were a real client you would now what you needed to do.

Yes I do have personal knowledge!!!

whataboutjere said...

I have less than two weeks until the sale date. Apparently I was identified in a list of 108 who needed immediate help.

whataboutjere said...

Imbigo, you are really full of shit, have no clue, and are incapable of answering legitimate questions!

midwesttoo said...

tcob
my question wasn't being 'smart' so why the shot back? I ask the question because I have heard some claim success was a completed refi and wondered if you did. I don't see it as the end all success. As whataboutjere stated the previous lender needs to be shut down whether administratively and/or judicially. It may have happened, I don't know.

Mortgageman said...

imbigo:

The guy is in total panic and you insult him? I guess that when your victims discover that water is really wet you insult them into retreat.

I still haven't hear the answer to tcob's question about where are the people that this worked for. He just asked for one!

The obvious is happening, the scam is being exposed by the victims and the lies are catching up with the followers.

the prophet said...

"LORD, LORD, I have performed miracles in Your name, have cast out demons in Your name...."

The LORD says...."TRULY, I SAY THAT I DO NOT KNOW YOU...DEPART FROM ME!!!

ONLY THOSE THAT DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN SHALL ENTER HEAVEN..."

What does this tell you???

It says that one can boil all prayers down to just.....TWO!

1) PRAY TO K-N-O-W GODS WILL.


2) PRAY TO D-O GODS WILL.

2a) PRAY FOR OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

Really, all other prayers are unneccessary.

Because all one can control is 1) and 2).

It covers ALL cases. REPEAT. IT COVERS ALL CASES.

If each one knows Gods will and can do it...thats all there really is to it.

Be careful, however. This is much easier said than done. For the average person who may not have high level discernment from the HOLY SPIRIT, this is impossible to do.

Peace of YESHUA HaMASHIACH be with you.

tcob247 said...

imbigo....personal knowledge and being in the process are two way different things. For instance...YOUR HOUSE THAT YOU LIVE IN ISN"T IN JEOPARDY. Makes it easy for you to take potshots at people who are under the gun

tcob247 said...

I'm sorry Prophet.....was what you just said relevant to anything we are talking about here
Could you ask the Holy Spirit if people will lose their homes to foreclosure?

abentl said...

Mortgageman- Let back up on this so called book- I never said that people were not losing their homes or have not received any cash back or that i do not feel bad for them... why can you not stick to the issue at hand, i am talking about your ignorance on how money is lent, you keep bringing up this stupid concept of comparing banks to your Uncle?? Don't pull me into your little fights with everyone else, this is the argument we are talking about. So, back to the last post where i said "your Uncle lends you money he worked for, the bank creates it". You keep going around the question, your analogies do not even make sense. And yes, you are way out of your league when it comes to this topic.

the prophet said...

tcbo--

maybe this will answer your question.

a family member of mine is laying in the hosopital dieing....what am I to pray....

LORD, MAY YOUR WILL BE DONE (NOT MINE)

difficult concept to understand...high level Holy Spirit wisdom required.....

habakkuk said...

Whataboutjere,
i dont have the solution for you. We were in the same position you are about a month ago. We didnt know what to do except ask God to help give us the answer. We got behind on our payments waiting for TDG process. We had about 2 weeks until the sale. But then we got together and prayed and the next day a friend called our house and asked if we needed money....We didnt mention any of this to her. She then sent her husband over with a check for $15,000 to reinstate our mortgage and then some.

I'm just saying this to spark some faith in you. I dont know if you even acknowledge there is a God or not, but i will commit to pray for you anyway that you get a solution.

This is the essence of what us "religious" freaks have been saying all along. We have no where to go now except to God and ask Him to help. We know thru His Word that He is against what the banks are doing. So lets ask HIM to JUDGE this situation and help all those who are siding with HIS truth.

Mortgageman said...

abentl:

Keep telling yourself and your victims about this great government conspiriecy. Why do you care where the money comes from it is being lent to you to buy a home. PAY IT BACK LIKE YOU AGREED AND YOU CAN KEEP YOUR HOUSE.

I guess that all debts are null and void because after all the money is printed.

Stay with the fact that you and the Kurt supporters are the only people that are really knoledgable about how mortgages are a scam.

The founders of this scam are in jail where they belong. You belong their also because you are intentionally misleading people to profit from their pain.

people did not sign up for this to lose their homes but that is what is happening. They signed up because of your false promises of a free house and cash in their pocket.

the prophet said...

why???

because what did Yeshua say when they came to crucify Him..........

(for Christians)

He said..."My Kingdom is NOT of this world...if it were, mine would come fight for Me...." (rescue Me)

Christians are not of this world...the LORD does not respond to earthly desires, but heavenly ones...the LORD only grants prayers if it helps a Christian to witness... if it does not, one can pray forever to no avail...agian earthly things does not concern the LORD....IF losing one house causes one to witness that Yeshua lives, then guess whats going to happen....again, His will, not ours...same for this whole Dorean process...if it causes people to come to salvation, it will succeed, it not, then it wont...if people say, thank you to the LORD, OK, if not then....they will only lose it somwhere else again...

tcob247 said...

not that high if a level of understanding
The Lords will will be done and not yours
Not hard to understand
whats your point?

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

Should you pay back those dear people that gave you the $15k?

I guess that you should only if you are comfortable with where they got it from.

If they got it from some process that you do not approve of then I guess that they should not be paid back.

tcob247 said...

chritians are not of this world but they live in it and have to deal with the laws of man.
Don't make yourself out to be holier than thou. Thats what got the Pharisees in trouble with Jesus.
He was more interested in common people and their troubles than those spouting off scripture

habakkuk said...

mortgageman,
I still can't believe that you dont fully understand the concept of how the banks are commiting fraud. Are you serious? Cmon, your joking right? The prerequisite to this blogg site is a course called Banking Fraud 101.....You have to complete and pass that course before you can participate in this blogg....ok. So, go do your homework, then come back. And when you come back dont bring that "my unlce lent me money" example....That prooves you didnt pass the course.

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman (aka Morty)
Actually, the thought just occured to me....It took me about a month to figure this whole thing out myslef....so i understand why you are so confused. I can sympathize with you.

whataboutjere said...

habakkuk, thank you for the kind words. Yes, I'm a God respecting man.

the prophet said...

tcbo

i dont intend to turn this forum into a religious one....

however, I stand by what I say...

if you have the high level of Holy Spirit understanding that you claim to have....there is nothing for us to discuss/debate....if you dont, then I cannot give it to you...

BTW... I never said that I was "holier than thou"....you have said it...and, if it is so easy to understand...then why dont more people who claim to be Christians do it???....instead they pray for earthly things.....

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk:

It appears that the only pre-requsite to this blog is that you are either:

1) Scammer
2) Victim

I am neither so it irritates you that I am telling the victims the truth. What's in it for me? Maybe one person will wake up and run from you.

I am off of the uncle thing I like the question that is open on if you should pay back your dear friends. Is their money of an acceptable origin to be worthy of paying back?

habakkuk said...

Whataboutjere,
Your welcome....and i am serious when i say i will be praying.

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
Are you trying to make a point? Our friend has stated that she doesn't need to be payed back. But just to answer your question, yes, if she wanted to be payed back we would owe her $15,000.

But our friends at the bank are at the top and they are creating the money out of thin air to lend to you and i with interest.

imbigo said...

Mortgageman,

If your freind loand you money they would have a receipt that showed where the money came from, the bank cant so you any such thing.
i.e. and atm receipt, something.

Just want out said...

Do you really rhink that GOD supports the Dorean Group? In Jesus's time they had a very bad monatary system too! The Roman Goverment who taxed the jews a whole lot, also the tax collectors were jewish, and they always asked for more money than the Roman Goverment wanted. So they would take some money for them slevs(Tax collertor). A Jesus aware of all this still said "render to Caesar, what is ceasar's ) Sorry buddies!!! Also look at Romans 13... It says to be subject to Goverment, because all goverments are from GOD! Mabey GOD wants us to have this hell of a Goverment...? MAbey!

Mortgageman said...

imbigo:

When a friend lends me money he hands me cash or a check, there is not requirement that he show me where they money came from in order for me to pay it back.

Banks give you a closing statement (HUD 1) as well as a copy of all of the documents that you sign.

I do not really care if a bank is printing new bills in their back office, if they are legal tender and I can use them to buy a house then I know that the right thing to do is to pay them back. It is a loan give it back to them or don't borrow it.

If mortgages are so wrong why do you have people take out another one after they have become so free from the first one?

Also, I would still like to see tcob's question answered, just one success.

habakkuk said...

Mortgageman,
You just dont get it do you.......God knows i tried. My advise to you....go take that Banking Fraud 101 course and come back later.

Just Want Out,
You forgot to tell the part of the story where Jesus told Peter to go catch a fish and you would find a roman coin in its mouth....thats what he used to pay the immoral tax. He didnt reach into his own pocket. You gotta know the scriptures in context my friend.

clearlyspoken said...

James 5:16b
The effectual fervent prayer of a rightous man availeth much. - Agreed

imbigo - I do not know Kurt and Scott personally. I pray they are righteous men so that their prayers will avail much. Thank you for letting us know that you saw Kurt personally yesterday and that he is doing well, an answer to prayer.

mortgageman - I sincerely appreciate your concern that the Holy Word of God Almighty not be abused. May we all be cautious in our use of the precious words of life. That does not mean there is no place for the use of Scripture here - it is just a good reminder to be sure the Holy Word is not falling into abuse.

One clarification - not all of us that are Christians are not being led by the "emotional rethoric of religion". As believers we are called to live our lives by God's truth and His word does address every area of life. You have pointed out that this is not a religious crusade - I am not here to dispute whether it is or not. However, it is a battle, a battle to preserve the liberty this country was founded to provide, the liberty that we as Americans have allowed to be slipped from our grasp by blindly following a regime that has been scamming us for years through fraud and deception. As Christians, we have no other inclination than to turn to God in the midst of any battle. We are not turning this into anything that it was not already, we are simply entering into the battle in the only way we can, in submission to the truth of God's word and in prayer seeking for the direction and guidence of our Commander and Chief.

You said, "Let's all get together and pray for the victims that have been hurt as well." I do not think that I would use the term victims . . . Anyway, I know there are many committed to praying for Kurt and Scott, as I myself am. However, this is a good point for all those disposed to praying - we should be praying for all those involved in this situation, encouraging and lifting one another up. If we are really committed to praying for this battle, the victory and so forth, let's pray for all those involved in the fight.

Fellow Christians - I appreciate the many solid, encouraging comments that have been posted here. Thank you.

To Whom it May Apply - As a Christian, I must say that the vast knowledge of the Scriptures displayed here is in startling contrast to the way some of you personally apply it. Are we not called, as followers of Christ to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of our Master at all times, putting on the character of Christ that our lives may produce the fruit of the Spirit. I do not believe that slinging insults at those who disagree with us fits along the lines of living unto righteousness. Let us take every thought captive to Christ that we would not dishonor Him with a single word that issues forth from us.

To Those Sustaining Losses - I will be praying for you and for your families as you battle to keep your homes. Perhaps, in the face of what you are dealing with, prayer does not seem like much. However, it is the greatest gift I have to give you and the most powerful avenue of change available.

I believe it was Mortgageman that asked for a word of encouragement for those sustaining the heaviest losses. So, I leave you with these words of Jesus: "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

habakkuk said...

clearlyspoken,
Well put.....You are 100% currect.

I'm gonna take your advice.

mogel said...

Mortgageman: Are you also "Mort"? on the other boards. You are so dense. I'm sure based upon your own statements, you'd probably pay back a $100 loan you received from a friend even if you loaned your friend a $100 too earlier even if your friend didn't pay you back. Your so good at taking a part of the truth & twisting it into something where truth & justice no longer exists.

You wouldn't be smart enough to ask/demand your friend to forgive your loan due to a financial offset that you have in equity.

By the way, banks don't print money in their back office. If you knew they didn't, why bring up such an irrelevant premise? And it's people like you that DON'T CARE where the money comes from that is root cause of the major economic problems we have in our country today. It's such apathy that has caused these problems. Someone like Kurt & Scott come along to try & educate and change things, & they are judged by people like yourself as less than
honorable??

Dont you see your own HYPOCRISY or are you really as DENSE as you appear to be? You demand that "Habakkuk" answer you on whether he should repay his friend that gave him $15,000 & you question whether it's important where the money came from, and in the next breath or post you say that you don't care where loans came from, & don't care if banks are printing money in their back office or not.

You speak out of both sides of your mouth, just like the good liar and manipulator that you are.

Mogel

kingdaniell said...

I have been doing research on this for months now. I started with the IRS and income tax. Anyone wanting to comment on the Doren Group should read or listen to the Monster From Jekyll Island first. Even those that believe in the process and defending TDG are missing the big picture here. The fraudulent mortgage practices are just a part of the banking scam. The document that the justice in this country is based on, THE CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS, specifically grants the Federal Government the power to "coin" money. The money is supposed to be backed by gold and silver reserves held in "trust" by the US Treasury. To bring this country out of the Great Depression the Feds made up projects to give people work. Projects that should have been the responsibility of the Sovereign States. Other programs such as government subsidized farming, public utilities owned by private corporations, and workfare (now known as welfare) bankrupt the country. Enter the Federal Reserve.
The Reserve is a privately owned company that was formed in secret by the wealthiest people in the world. There is no paper trail or direct evidence, but the actual result was these elite families bought the US out of bankruptcy with the agreement that they would take over the control of the monetary system.
Have you ever wondered how the “Federal” deficit keeps growing by trillions of dollars and the government keeps operating? The way it works – the Congress decides that it needs $800 billion for the budget for a fiscal year. (just an example) The President orders the Treasury to print up $800 billion in US Treasury Bonds. The Treasury takes the bonds to the Federal Reserve and THEY PRINT the “money” and loan it to the Treasury Department. That’s right, a debt is created. A debt plus interest that the American tax payer has to pay back. The deficit grows because the amount of taxes collected each year does not pay the interest on the loan let alone the principle. This violates Constitutional Law because only the Federal Government is allowed to “coin” money and the fact that it is fiat money with no value. Look on one of the certificates that you think is “money. It says Federal Reserve Note (a note is a document that represents a debt.) Our money used to say “Silver Certificate” which gave a standard to measure what the bill was worth, so much silver for each dollar. A Federal Reserve note only has a perceived value by someone willing to exchange merchandise or service for it. Take a Reserve note to the Fed and see what you can get for it. You will receive only more Federal Reserve notes. And the vicious cycle is repeated over and over.
All of that is to get to the Dorean process. Banks are forbidden to loan stockholders assets, the bank profits, or depositor’s money. So where does the “money” they loan to buy a house come from? They create it with a ledger entry. Again, someone is creating “money” other than the Federal Government.
Why is this a hazard to the American way of life or the pursuit of the American dream? Think of it this way. What would happen to the price of gasoline if the oil producing countries pumped out the maximum amount of oil each day and delivered it to the petroleum companies? What would happen to the value of diamonds if the market became flooded with the diamond held in reserve by DeBeers alone? What happens to the price of housing when there is a glut? The answer is; they would all be devalued. The same thing is happening to our dollar. The Fed keeps printing more “money” without a standard of worth. On top of that the bankers are creating money out of thin air. The result is the dollar has less and less value.
That is why counterfeiting is such a problem. The dollar is nothing more than a barter chit that we can exchange for products and services. Are the banks cheating anyone with this system? YES. They are cheating our children of their opportunity that our forefathers tried to protect by writing the Constitution.
How did this happen without the American people revolting against it? Like evolution, it happened so slowly that it is now taken for granted that this is the way things have always been. There are not too many people alive today that know any different. In two more generations there won’t be anyone left that will remember the way things are today and a castles society will be the norm. If you read the bible, in Revelations, this is one of the signs of the beginning of the end. “People will throw their money in the streets” because it will have no value. The great deceiver is already among us. Those who are unwilling to recognize the signs are unwitting participants in the conspiracy. There are none so blind as he who will not see. They violently oppose anyone who wants to bring the truth to their attention. The greatest deceit the Devil ever perpetrated was convincing people he did not exist.
Kingdaniell@juno.com

QuantumHealthCelebrations said...

Does anyone know if they have been "charged"? Is anyone in the area of Utah that they are being held ?
If no charges, just being "held" (ie: kidnapped), someone in the area call the congressman for that district and demand the number of the Provos Marshall, also for that region/district. Then call the Provos Marshall and request/demand that the local sheriff, DA, ect be arrested and that they both be released.

kingdaniell said...

sorry I meant cashless society.
kingdaniell

Tony Tuba said...

I have no point to make. I just wanted to see "I P FREELY" on the board.

Mortgageman said...

mogel:

You hurt me with your insensitive attacks on my character. I do not know who mort is.

I have been very consistant in my message, I am sorry that you do not like what you hear.

My message:

The people that are involved with TDG are criminals that are motivated by the enormous amounts of money that they stood to steal in this scam.

They are responsible for convincing gullable people that they can get something for nothing if they just trust them. They have used legal sounding rethoric mixed a religious doublespeak in order to gain the victim's confidence.

They are con men. Con men are people that gain your confidence in order to scam you. They gain your confidence by equating any mistrust in them to mistrusting God.
They say have faith so that they associate belief in them with credibility of faith in the Lord.

This is proving out to be the bad thing that they knew it would be.

I keep hearing the same stuff from you that are involved in the scam but I do not hear any answers for the victims and no one can answer tcob's request to show one person that has had this scam work out for them.

Stand by the crap that you are selling and continue to knowingly hurt people that you have gotten to trust you.

Do it in the name of God and may God be merciful on you.

abentl said...

Mortgageman- You have been explained to in lengthy paragraphs how economics works, if Mogel's and the other posts did not state it more clearly, I do not know what else to do. But I do know, we are stating FACTS and you are stating your opinion only, you have no clue what you are talking about, all you can respond with is "who cares who creates money"... well I do!! I signed a contract saying they are lending me money. I asked them why they did not lend me money and they would not answer me, i gave them a bond for over 1 million $ to use on their books, the least they could do is respond to me and tell me what the problem is with the contract, per RESPA law. RESPA law states they have to answer me within 20 days of my question, if they do not answer me, they are liable for up to 1% of their NET worth. Sorry, but that pisses me off when all I am doing is verifying my contract. What I or anyone else does is none of your bussiness, and also, I have never promoted the process, so do not tell me I am screwing people. You are screwing people by telling them uneducated opinions that you pulled out of your rear.

Mortgageman said...

abentl:

You have never promoted the process? You are promoting it now.

What I am doing for people is possibly swaying them out of a scam that you adimitley defend.

Why do you defend it? Defending it is causing people to believe that it is something that is ligitimate but in the end they lose.

Can you answer tcobs question?

Mortgageman said...

abentl:

If your bank is violating RESPA why don't you hire a lawyer?

There are legal remidies, a mortgage servicer in Utah paid out $95 million in punitive damages last year for such violations.

Household financial paid out $495 million last year in punitive damages and Ameriquest is facing a half a billion dollars in penalties this year.

whataboutjere said...

Michelle (roadrunner86), are you still here? Did you ever get your answer?

Friday, July 15, 2005, Michelle asked:

"roadrunner86 said...
Kurt, this is Michelle.
I am having problems getting any information from the office. It is less than three weeks to the auction for my house. I was told not to reinstate the mortgage, that it would be taken care of. No one will return my calls, or e-mails. I need some help here. This is more stress than I can deal with. I had asked almost three months ago that this not be put off until the last minute, and it seems that is exactly what is happening. Please help."

Kurt's response was:

"whistleblower said...
Michelle, this week you will have a default on the bank to file. Call receptionist and leave your contact info and I will call you on Mon. afternoon. Judge I know you take a lot of flack on this page, don't take it personally, go get a lawyer!"

Mortgageman said...

imbigo:

how is the fast going?

abentl said...

Mortgageman-again, because of your being so uneducated and your promptness to issue out your own uneducated opinion of this being a scam, you are promoting a lie. I on the other hand, am stating facts and while not promoting the process they use,(even though I believe in it) I am promoting the education of people so that they will know the banks are lying to them and not to put up with it. I still do not understand why you would defend someone who is trying to destroy you. If Dorean process does not work, so what, I am out $3k, no big deal to me. Im sure it was a big deal to other people to lose that money, but what I say to them is "you knew what you were getting into when you paid the money".

jacqueline said...

Hi, kurt this is Jackie from Miami. I have one house in the process since March, and I'm ready to put in my other two. You and Scott are the only solutions that I have to get out of this Rat Race life that we all live in! So please stay strong for us. I
hope we can all celebrate together at the end of the year with a big bash!

jacqueline said...

Hi kurt, this is jackie from Miami. I put in a prpoerty since March and I want to put in my other two now. You and Scott are the only solutions that I have to get us out of this rat race life that we live in. Please stay strong for us. I hope that all of us can celebrate at the end of the year with a bash. Jackie

whataboutjere said...

abentl said...
"Im sure it was a big deal to other people to lose that money (or more importantly home), but what I say to them is you knew what you were getting into when you paid the money."

I would love to take a poll of every client in the process today and ask them if their agent or broker were honest when they sold them the Dorean program. if they told them that there is a 50% chance that you could lose your home. This is the biggest line of crap I keep hearing. "You knew what you were getting into when you paid the money." B.S.

Well, I've reviewed my contract and nowhere does it say that you have a %50 chance of losing your home. The reason is obvious, Dorean would have very few clients. Listen to the recorded CCR conference calls that sell the program to see if this fact is stated anywhere in it.

Starfish Prime said...

You're all nuts.

Starfish Prime said...

new post.

Starfish Prime said...

please.

Tony Tuba said...

There is a way to win.

Yahoshua said...

YHVH be with you both and nourish your spirit daily and grant you the fortitude to stay the course and the wisdom to accomplish the task. We are available for assistance if required.

Shalom

imbigo said...

God is Good all the time!!!

imbigo said...

I did'nt think anyone else was up to here that call

Judge Roy Bean said...

Whoever goes to talk to Scott and in particular, Kurt. Be sure to ask him if he remembers how that CIRCLE MD RANCH TRUST thing worked out for the Smiths up in Wyoming a while back? Wasn't pretty.

It's the same old scam, folks. Set up a trust, put up phony instruments against a debt and then try the bogus legal maneuvers that only delay the inevitable.

In the Dorean scheme, Heineman and Johnson simply refined it to make it more marketable.

It didn't work then against the IRS, it won't work now.

Get your own attorney. Admit you've been had and go after them.

The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com

Mortgageman said...

jacqueline:

These guys are in jail and their will be no bash, just the loss of your homes. If you do not want the debt then sell the homes like everyone else does that can not afford them.

What will it take for you to realize that this is a no win for you.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Judge, if you are so convinced Dorean is a scam, why are they still open? Shouldn't you be speaking with the authorities to have them closed down? They are still open. Seems to me that if the instruments were bogus and their methods were illegal they would be shut down by now. BUT THEY'RE STILL OPEN! How does that work judge? Or does the fact nobody shuts them down blow your theory out of the water.

Judge Roy Bean said...

Swami - the hearing on shutting them down isn't until next week.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Judge, where and when is the hearing? If they really have something concrete to shut them down, why couldn't the FBI shut them down?

Mortgageman said...

To all:

I am not perpetrating this scam and I am not a victim, I have just been trying to save one person from going forward and off of the cliff.

I am sure that my entries have been a distraction to those of you that believe in this scam so I am going to give you a chance to shut me up.

If anyone can answer the following two questions then I will get off of this blog FOREVER:

1) If the mortgage process is so corrupt and TDG is helping to free you from the illegal practice they why do they have you go through it again in the form of a re-fi? Why not just walk away once you are free?

2) (tcob's question) Show just one success that has netted the victim a free and clear home pluss money in their pocket without the banks foreclosing on them and distroying their credit?

Of these can not be answered then, if you are a person that is contemplating either getting involved with these people or going forward with them, you should run and never look back.

With love,
Mortgageman

A

Judge Roy Bean said...

It was set for Monday, August 1 at 1:00PM.

The FBI can't shut anything down by themselves. They investigate and can arrest, but they don't prosecute. That's where the United States Attorneys come in. They are the prosecutors.

Since Johnson does not accept the authority of the courts anyway, I suspect he will ignore any ruling and it will be up to the court to order enforcement of it. That could be anything from daily fines for failure to comply or could even mean having the office physically shut down and the parties who refuse to cooperate arrested for contempt or even obstructing justice if they try to conceal something.

Web sites are another issue, IMHO. The order could be used to compel the service provider (hosting company) to take it down, and most ISP's roll over in the face of that kind of document.

If they had competent legal counsel (and Johnson allegedly attempted to reject even the appointed public defender), he or she might attempt to appeal the order, but given the attitudes they've displayed thus far, and the apparent sums of money sloshing around off-shore, I don't expect them to win many arguments, let alone be released on bail.

The Honorable Judge Roy Bean
http://www.loansharks.blogspot.com

Mortgageman said...

I am sorry, if this is going to be my last Blog I should at lease take this one time to correct my spelling.

Mortgageman said...
To all:

I am not perpetrating this scam and I am not a victim, I have just been trying to save one person from going forward and off of the cliff.

I am sure that my entries have been a distraction to those of you that believe in this scam so I am going to give you a chance to shut me up.

If anyone can answer the following two questions then I will get off of this blog FOREVER:

1) If the mortgage process is so corrupt and TDG is helping to free you from the illegal practice then why do they have you go through it again in the form of a re-fi? Why not just walk away once you are free?

2) (tcob's question) Show just one success that has netted the victim a free and clear home plus money in their pocket without the banks foreclosing on them and distroying their credit?

If these can not be answered then, if you are a person that is contemplating either getting involved with these people or going forward with them, you should run and never look back.

With love,
Mortgageman

A

tcob247 said...

only 7 more days for Kurt before his kidneys shut down
Is this the best route to go???
Did anybody else who believes in him join the fast?

habakkuk said...

It was so awesome to hear Fred Johnson (Kurt's Dad) on the conference call. If that didn't make your faith grow i dont know what can. I am even more convinced that i am on the right side of this and that we are going to come out victorious. Remember, even our Lord Jesus was put in Jail and crucified by those who feared Him (but no one could hold Him in the grave). They had to twist the laws in order to do it because they knew HE was innocent. They knew He was the Truth. And then Peter, and Paul, and others who preached in HIS NAME were put in prison. I like what Bill Cosby said recently: "The truth will either set you free or piss you off". Those who crucified our Lord were the ones who were pissed off at the Truth....but the blind man, and the crippled, and all those who embraced the Truth were set free.

I hope that all of you who believe in this cause and who stand by Kurt, Scott, and TDG will pray more intensly every day until we see victory. Lets ignore the negative bloggers out there....its not worth it. Lets comfort those who are dealing with foreclosure issues and lets give them all the help and instruction we can.

imbigo said...

habakuk,

I agree that call was "GREAT" I've listened to twice already. I join you in your last comments, I WILL pray for those of "US" that are experiencing "BAD BEHAVIOR" from the banks. Just remember for every prayer we send up someone out there is doing the opposite, so let us as you said pray even more "fervently".

GODS SPEED my friend.

habakkuk said...

Imbigo,
Amen to that!! This may sound weird to some but i just feel we are right on the brink. We can't give up.

Mortgageman said...

habakkuk/imbigo:

You guys must like keeping me around.

imbigo said...

Mortgageman,

I did'nt address you on my post, I apologise for the misunderstanding.

Mortgageman said...

connielee:

Telll your story

abentl said...

Mortgageman- I will answer your questions.
1)The refinances will be obsolete (they actually already are for some)here within the next 30 days.
2)I can show you success of my friend who went through the process all the way, I will ask him if he wants to get on the board and share his story. As for his credit, they did hit him with some 30-day lates, but nothing a credit repair agency cannot handle. I will give you more info on this no when the time comes mortgageman, keep in touch but tone it down a little. Thanks.

Mortgageman said...

abentl and All:

True to my word I will leave you folks to whatever outcome is ahead for you. I just hope that the end of this does not leave too many people damaged.

If it is too good to be true it always is!

For the faithful: Keep your faith true to the Lord not fakes.

If there was a way for everyone to get what they percieve as a happy ending then I would wish that for all.

Mortgeman out!

imbigo said...

Mortgageman,

Correction "If it sounds to good to be true maybe somebody forgot to tell you about it"

God Bless you all.

Big O

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Judge, I'm sorry man.........I just don't think the FEDS got anything on Dorean that will keep the cause and group from stopping what they are trying to do. I guess time will tell which one of us is right, but I think there are a lot of clients that are going to come out of this smelling like a rose.

Starfish Prime said...

http://www.ccresource.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4240

Go there mortgageman..it's a good one!

whataboutjere said...

Michelle (roadrunner86), are you still here? Did you ever get your answer?

whataboutjere said...

Connielee, did this recently just happen within the past month? I'm sorry to hear this!


"connielee said...
You left us in the depths of despair. Served with foreclosure and not a care. Trustees claim injustice and full functioning staff but nay have they rescued us from this nightmare. not a call, not a letter or hand holding manner. woe to all to be on guard not to get caught in this snare. Listen for the knock on the door to disrupt your life and lots of strife. Gather up the cat and the dog..and say goodbye to the home that you love with regrets supporting a cause that left you in AWE of its faultering plan to be mortgage free and live happily."

imbigo said...

Whataboutjere,

FYI, I've contackted TDG the past two days and talked to sameone each time, and i'm very pleased with the service that was provided for me!

So anyone that says that TDG is unreachable is not trying.

DG keep up the good work we are very close.
The closer we get, the more desperate the Banks get in thier bad behavior.

The more desperate they get the resolve I receive.

GODS SPEED!!!

Big O

imbigo said...

**contacted**

imbigo said...

**the more resolve**

Starfish Prime said...

Why haven't we heard from Kurt? Is he being picked up for Utah or what?

whataboutjere said...

Big O "I" received" the answer I was looking for. I am curious for Connie and Michelle however.

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Starfish Prime said...

The month of August will be an important one for those that stand for freedom. Dorean's cases will run their course through the month of August. Irwin Schiff's trial is currently scheduled to begin on August 29, 2005 in the federal courthouse in Las Vegas (www.paynoincometax.com), won the '96 Libertarian nod for presidency, Larken Rose's trial is scheduled for August 9th (www.861.info and www.theft-by-deception.com). May God be with Kurt and Scott

Starfish Prime said...

and Farrel and Guy..

Starfish Prime said...

May God be with those that stand for TRUTH!

imbigo said...

And Joe Banister already won his case!!!

you will know them by their fruit said...

I would hope these guys get more than 5 years and 8 months. If a message isn't sent to these excellent scammers others will pick up, revise, and continue (Guy/Farrel/etc.) Would you spend 5 years in prison for 2.8m?

I hope that those of you who are mixing God with this scam know that our God is a merciful God but by twisting His words for evil . . . wow . . . that is a bit of God's wrath I would never wish on anybody--even my worst enemy.

As lovingly as I can, be warned. Money is only temporary. Your salvation (or damnation)is for ever.

All loans are paid off in the end anyway! Ha.

imbigo said...

y.w.k.t.b.t.fruit,

Are you saying then if these guys are right that the Bankers should spend "Time".

GOD is in everything, BUT "A Man is right in HIS own Mind"

Only God knows if this is a scam or not, Time will Tell!!!!.......

One way or the other I'm sure HE wont send anyone to Hell behind this!!!!

Starfish Prime said...

Imbigo,

Yes my man! Joe Banister (hopefully) will start the wave of crucial Supreme Court decisions in favor of the Tax Honesty Movement.

Here we have the Bankers Honesty Movement ... what more could a libertarian ask for??

Fuit Loop,

PROVE HOW THIS IS A SCAM FUCKER!

Starfish Prime said...

Opinions don't bode well. Only facts (truth) and ACTION.

Scam??? Doubtful. Abusive Government Power??? Likely.

Is the Dorean process gonna make you lose your home??? Some have or are close.

Will there be a reward for those who do?? They sure would deserve it.

SCAM? Hell no!

Some factions of the government are a scam Fruit Loop, not Dorean (despite what government criminals might say)-

-J

Starfish Prime said...

**correction**

Abusive Government Power??? PROVEN.

Temptingeyes said...

"Hi, kurt this is Jackie from Miami. I have one house in the process since March, and I'm ready to put in my other two."

i think you are a troll...

the process must have work out for you with the first house because nobody would be so stupid to put another house in if it didn't work out with one house.

the prophet 2 said...

Looks like along with the ME program that the income tax is aoubt to be abolished as well. go here --->

http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/
Update2005-07-28.htm

(the above is all one link-it did not show as one, so connect it when you go to enter the link)

Hmmmmm.....AS the powers that be do not willingly give up anything easily, it makes me wonder?? It is entirely possible that the PTB want the mortgage elimination to be successful and also the income tax case.

If in fact this is the case, then it is only because we are one step closer to a world govt and a world tax, and possibly the "mark of the beast".

I give the Dorean group a very high chance of succeeding in their cause. In fact, jail may now be the best place for them to be. Because until the "water breaks" so to speak, they can best be protected there from any who would oppose waht they are doing. I am now sure that they will just be fine, but until the dust settles, they are best kept out of sight.

And, when under severd stress, the best thing in fact is to fast as this detoxifies the body.

And remember, that when your mortgae is eliminated, it was not Kurt or Scott, but a gift from God so be very thankful as such. Kurt and Scott at most can only be Gods agents who have no choice but to do what they are doing, as this is Gods will.

Peace of Yeshua be with you.

you will know them by their fruit said...

starfish prime wrote: "PROVE HOW THIS IS A SCAM FUCKER!"

you will know them by their fruit writes: you will know them by their fruit.

thank you starfish prime for revealing a common response that is consistant with many who support this group. Hopefully you are not one of those who will use this foul language and then turn right around and compare youself to Jesus or Moses and us words like "shall" and "'tis" to make your warefare seem of a spiritual nature.

Folks! Look at their fuit!! What are they bearing? It is all the proof any rational person will ever need.

May God Bless you stafish prime

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