Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Do You Mind

I am going to address GR82BMOI and tcob247, not as individuals with a thinking mind but rather as voices of a giant mass of prattling goo. My hopes for the individuals should they ever appear is completely different. You got a piece of paper to wipe your ass says who? Attorneys (conflicted), bankers (conflicted), accountants (conflicted), judges (conflicted), economist (propagandist), businesspeople (serfs), Nobel Prize winners (you mean losers), why do you need a sanction for your brain? Why is it more comfortable to be an automation or a robot? You can’t even formulate a logical question because you keep replaying the software of your creator. Because you know I am a Christian man you think you’ll leverage me by your idea of what my virtues should be. I should forgive you for your ignorance, absolve you of choice, show concern for your need, have compassion for your suffering, and love you unconditionally. Well I won’t. You think you are superior and that the money you gave me was alms to a beggar. You have no morality to which I owe homage. You don’t have self-respect, how could you extend any to me? You have no courage, how could you recognize mine? You have no mind for ingenuity, how could you honor creativity? You only take orders and long for experts to give you direction, how could you fathom independent decision? You need your cracker-jack logic of money = greed, accusation = guilt, expert = truth, conviction = criminal, banker = lender, government = noble, uneducated = ignorant, damages = loss, foreclosure = defeat, presumption = fact. No, there is no justifying to the spineless the upright stature of a man. It’s like explaining distance to a snail that has no capacity to comprehend and nothing in its nature to make it relevant. I see your constant whimpering and whining like an abused puppy. Puppy dog eyes do not more me, perhaps your litter mates James Keller and Kevin Ryan want to hear your story. They have the capacity with all their understanding to blame others for their terrible lot in life. They know exactly what its like for self-immolation for the collective idea of morality. They abhor anyone not being an automation and hurting the good natured victim. I personally hope to help your prophecies come true. If your prophecy doom I want to give it to you. If you want court judgments, I agree. You want blame, I accept it. Call me greedy, I’ll oblige. You want me out of your life, my pleasure. Want me to be courageous and finish the fight, I will. Want me to not compromise, I will not. Want the full value of our trade, I will give it. Want to give me respect, I will return it. Wan an education, I will teach. You see, everyone will reach their desire, their goal. I know what all are asking of me and have the individual reasoning capacity to be all things to all people. I will hold you all to your choices as I hold myself to mine and that is the only honor I can give to you. I promise this, I will feel no shame, no guilt, no remorse, and no fear in the choices I make. You will all mind the outcome.

70 comments:

WillToFight said...

Makes Sense to me!

WillToFight said...

Study to show thyself approved. The righteous man, need not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth!

Terra Libra = soveriegnty = the freedom race

Oh! We're gonna get there! Oh yes it is worth everything even death to try.

For the sake of my children and theirs, which are mine!

Let us throw off this corporate slavery that is attempting to emcompass the globe; last stop the great ole US of A!

Too the Good Fight

Starfish Prime said...

tcob's a bitch

tcob247 said...

Hey Starfish
Long time no hear
Great post
Did your Ghost tell you that?


Kurt said....
"I promise this, I will feel no shame, no guilt, no remorse, and no fear in the choices I make."

Thanks
That pretty much says it all.
What a comfort for those that lost their homes

You are a great guy.
Keep up those inspiring posts from prison.

Hey....care to comment on what your Daddy is doing now?
You've been pretty silent about it

Solvo said...

tcob247 said...
Hey....care to comment on what your Daddy is doing now?
You've been pretty silent about it

Why don't you call and ask him yourself, taco? Dr. Fred is easily accessible, so contacting him shouldn't be a problem.

Or are you just looking for another reason to post your crap?

I say it's option 2.

railman65 said...

Hey tcob, why don't you go crawl back under the rock that you slid out from under, and leave your idiotic , crybaby,whining, bitching to someome who really cares about you.

Peanut Gallery said...

solvo said,

Hey tcob,

Why don't you call and ask him yourself, taco? Dr. Fred is easily accessible, so contacting him shouldn't be a problem.

Well Taco, how about it?

I talked to master, er I mean Dr.Fred just yesterday. Help, no, must fight signals being beamed into mind from master,er I mean Dr. Fred. Must fight desire to follow blindly, must not suppor them.

So there you have it tcob painless conversation.
So call. What are you afraid of.

tcob247 said...

You all obviously can't read.
I asked Kurt what he thinks about what his father is doing now.

Why would I call Fred about that?
I want to hear from Kurt

Kapeesh?

Railman......
You sound like the Dorean customer service

Peanut Gallery said...

tcob,
take the initiative, aquire a pair and call Dr. Fred and ask him what he is doing. What does it matter what Kurt thinks. If Dr. Fred is doing something he does not agree with what possible action can he take? He is after all in jail ( as you so like to remind everyone).
Oh thats right, if you did call Dr. Fred you would not be able talk trash about him.
Let Dr. Fred face his accuser. Come on grill him, nail him to the wall, you big windbag.

Solvo said...

Peanut Gallery said...
tcob,
take the initiative, aquire a pair and call Dr. Fred and ask him what he is doing. What does it matter what Kurt thinks. If Dr. Fred is doing something he does not agree with what possible action can he take? He is after all in jail ( as you so like to remind everyone).
Oh thats right, if you did call Dr. Fred you would not be able talk trash about him.
Let Dr. Fred face his accuser. Come on grill him, nail him to the wall, you big windbag.

Peanut,

With such profound posts, you are more than a peanut. I think you should change your name to "cashew or pistachio" gallery.

Taco, should change his name to peanut, because his comments are more from a peanut gallery than you are. An added bonus to Taco changing his name to peanut, would be that's about the size of his, because we know he don't have the peanuts to call Dr. Fred!

Peanut Gallery said...

Another good solvo from solvo!!

imbigo said...

If I'm not mistaken Kurt said a while back that he would be posting proxy, I wonder who he's using as proxy? Would'nt you think that Kurt is very aware of what his own Daddy is doing, get a clue tcob.

P.S. I just got off the phone with Dr.Fred. ( I dont think he's afraid a someone like tcob LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!)

Go ahead tcob call'm call'm call'm, "DONT BE NO PUNK" CALL HIM!!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL...

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!!

Peanut Gallery said...

Hello, hello, taco? Is there anyone home? Taco, taco, are you there taco?

Didja call im yet? Hmmm, didja, didja?

I'm sure we could take up a collection to offset the long distance charges for you.

tcob247 said...

OK lets do this

Lets see if DR Fred has the nuts to come on here and answer questions

I'm sure there are many people who would like to ask him questions.

I'll start.

Dr Fred
Does Kurt approve of the program that you are running now?

How many successful mortgage eliminations does Li-Bo have?

Here is a testimonial from your site:
"Now 3 months later our mortgage has been discharged. It's for real, our dream of owning our own home is really happening. Now the excitement is beginning to sink in and now we are thinking about all our family and friends we can help to reach their dream of owning their own home without a mortgage payment. I had bought this plaque for our son with a quote on it "Dreams are like lightening storms, only fools chase them" Forget about it. We chased our Dream it became real. Go for it! Your own dream of owning your home free and clear can become real as well. Glenn & Marian"

My question to you Dr Fred
are these people still making Mortgage payments?

I await your reply

Peanut Gallery said...

Yeah,

Just as we thought taco, no heuvos.

Why don't you call, and report back with the answers?

We are all waiting.

mogel said...

Tcob247 said: Kurt said....
"I promise this, I will feel no shame, no guilt, no remorse, and no fear in the choices I make."

Thanks
That pretty much says it all.
What a comfort for those that lost their homes
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On the contrary, those words should be comforting to clients to know that our leader is making decisions in a firm way WITHOUT regret & has no regret since he has thoroughly already thought things out & has a plan OF SUCCESS FOR ALL. If you have no regrets, in your conscience, you know you did the best or the right thing based upon the choices out there. Would you prefer a whimpering, indecisive leader that is MORE concerned about people's feelings than the hard choices that are to be made? That's not a leader, that's a therapist. If you want a therapist, I suggest you hire one. The problem seems to be that you live in the moment, or you live in what has happened in the past & can't envision that this program can generate success because you have no vision. You need to change your faithless attitude. People get what they expect. You expect defeat even now, so if that's what you get in the end, this is only just, is it not? "As a man thinketh, so is he." You've already gotten what you deserve a losing attitude with no results because in your mind, that is your reality. You do not know all things from the beginning to the end, so that's where faith comes in. Has it occurred to you, that maybe you're wrong on some issues & that the future will hold things you didn't quite envision? It's not over until it's over, and I believe the opera lady hasn't sung yet, but is just gettting warmed up to sing. Why don't you stay for the end of the concert & try to ACTUALLY ENJOY your experience & try to do less of trying to find fault? Maybe doing so might add a different perspective for you.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Very fruitfull. The Bible isn't a buffett where you chose what you want and disregard the parts you dislike. Your "Christian" post violates almost everything in Christianity.

Stealing people's money is one thing. Representing Christ in such a fashion is flirting with everlasting death!

Sometimes evil amazes me.

Disgusting!

down but not out said...

you will know them by their fruit said,

The Bible isn't a buffett where you chose what you want and disregard the parts you dislike.

On the contrary, 99% of Christiandom does exactly that by defiling the Sabbath, eating unclean things, celebrating Christmas,Easter, and generally abbrogating Torah and following Church instituted rituals and traditions, and manmade rules.

Elmer Fudd said...

Dr Fred Hmmm didn't know they had a special college or university for Scam Artist...Hey Dr did ya get a B.A in bullshit or did you get a G.E.D = Get Everyone's Dinero... Hey Kurt i don't think you have anything to prove to anyone. Reason being your Dumb followers will wait 20 years and listen to all your crap to see if anything happens. People like that a Scam Artist can only dream about.

Peanut Gallery said...

Well well elmer, I see you finally chimed in.
The same challenge goes out to you as well. Why don't you call Dr. Fred yourself?

If Dr. Fred has a degree from the afore mentioned university, you must be the Dean.

tcob247 said...

Lets see DR Fred answer questions on here where everyone can receive the benefit of his wisdom.

I see you are backpedaling
If you think he is ready to "take me on" lets see it in a public forum.
I bet it won't happen

Mogel
David Koresh and Jim Jones had the same attitude you are describing

No thanks

By the way
I don't have a defeatist attitude.

But....you are right
Lets let it play out
We'll see

Peanut Gallery said...
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Peanut Gallery said...

No Taco,
You're the one who is back peddaling.

Lance Armstrong has nothing on you buddy. Well unless you factor in he has at least one good one left, or is it the right one, hmmmm.

imbigo said...

PUT UP OR SHUT UP tcob, YOU ARE MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT YOUR A PLANT ON THIS BLOG!!!

EITHER CALL DR. FRED OR GO AWAY!!!

NO DISRESPECT, BUT YOUR ACTING LIKE A SCARY SHCOOL BOY!!!

CALL HIM OR SHUT UP, I KNOW YOU HAVE THE NUMBER!!!!! CALL HIM OR SHUT UP CALL HIM OR SHUT.....

P.S. CALL HIM OR SHUT UP!!!!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!!

tcob247 said...

peanutless

wait a minute??
what am I back peddaling from?

YOU told ME to call DR Fred.

Thats like me telling YOU to jump in a lake and when you say you wont I tell you are back peddaling.

Thats great logic
Strange

If I ask Dr Fred questions on here and he doesnt answer.... thats his perogitive.
But I wouldnt say he back peddaled

You get it?

You back peddaled because I issued a better alternative to your demand that I call him. Then you turned it down

We can ALL see his answers on here.
Wouldnt that benefit us all?
Does he have anything to hide?

Peanut Gallery said...

Taco,

You're soooo intellectual. I feel so ashamed that you ran rings around me logically. I will be so much more carefull when I am in the presence of your enourmous mind.

What you are back peddaling from is the challenge that was made by myself and others to grow a pair and call him yourself. I have.
But you won't. This could be your shining moment. You could ask the questions and then post the answers here yourself.
You would be the hero then.

Peanut Gallery said...

Imbigo,

We all know tacobell won't call becouse he does not have the intestinal fortitude (that's guts tinkerbell)to do so.

He will only continue to chant the same old mantra, day, after day, after day, after day, yawn.

Elmer Fudd said...

Elmer Fudd said...
Peanut Gallery said...
taco said

I choose now to play by these rules.
I allowed Kurt and CCR to persuade me to stray from this course and I nearly got burned

No. You got greedy!!!

So Basically what you are saying is ALL of CCR and or Dorean's Clients are Greedy? So Kurt capitalized on people's greed? How about Dr.Fred with Li-Bo is he greedy too? Come on Peanut Head explain too all of the clients and one naysayer= myself what you mean exactly.

Hey Peanuthead the only one that's back peddaling is you, still waiting for my answer numbnutz..And what do i care what Dr fred is doing? He's scamming just like his son is, so why would i want to call him? Nothing he can say to me that i would want to hear. But read above idiot and elaborate what you meant about all the Clients.

Clueless Fudd said...

Peanut Gallery said...
We all know tacobell won't call becouse he does not have the intestinal fortitude (that's guts tinkerbell)to do so.

Don't you mean the TESTICULAR fortitude, since he's got peanuts between his legs???

Peanut Gallery said...

Unlike Tinkerbell, I will give you an answer.

I like many came into the process with a little fore knowlege as to the way the Federal Reserve (which is is neither) and fractional reserve banking functions.
I can't speak for others, but my motivation was not about getting something for nothing, but about making a corrupt system come clean to what has been perpetrated on us all for the better part of a century.
I knew the risks and the challenges of this process.
It was stated over and over and over again that before you got involved to do your do diligence. Get an education and then make an informed decision.
My personal belief is that individuals like taco did not do what was asked and took the lazy path into the process. Yes I believe that it was ruled by his greed. He has stated over and over that he makes more money than most of us and did not need to have his mortgage eliminated. So draw your own conclusions about his motives.

BTW taco, elmer, I lost my house in foreclosure to this process, it was a risk I was willing to take.
SO QUIT YOUR PISSIN AND MOANIN ABOUT YOUR LOUSEY 3 GRAND.

Come on back with your idiot comments about my actions.I can take it. It is your M.O. after all.

Peanut Gallery said...

Elmer,
No back peddalin here, you flunky.
Can't say the same for buddy tinkerbell can ya?

Elmer Fudd said...

Peanut Gallery said...
Unlike Tinkerbell, I will give you an answer.

I can't speak for others, but my motivation was not about getting something for nothing.

Hey peanut head i believe that one as much as i believe Clinton never inhaled. Don't have the balls to call someone else greedy and say you were doing it to help expose bank fraud and lost your home. If your that dumb then you belong with the Dorean Crowd.

Peanut Gallery said...

At least I have balls. Unlike others who post here.

BTW it is you're as in you are.
Your is a possesive ,dumbass

Peanut Gallery said...

BTW elmo, I don't give a shit what you believe

Elmer Fudd said...

Oh Excuse me....You're a lying sack like the rest of em..Another Dorean Broker talking out of his ass. I'm surprised you haven't used religion as a way to soft soap people in here also. Let me tell you something, if you lost your home from foreclosure and laid out money to Dorean you would not be so calm as you is....Opps I mean are pleas forgive my spelling.

Peanut Gallery said...

Elmer said,

Don't have the balls to call someone else greedy and say you were doing it to help expose bank fraud and lost your home. If your that dumb then you belong with the Dorean Crowd.

Oh but we're to beleive your sanctimonius posts are here just to help people, right? Riiiight.

Peanut Gallery said...

So, are you saying that you don't believe me about loosing my house?

Are you calling me a liar?

Big deal, I have nothing to proove to insignificant worms such as yourself. Go back into the slime from which you came.

mogel said...

You will know them By their fruit said: "Sometimes evil amazes me.
Disgusting!"

After reading that contradiction, I tried to be AMAZED and DISGUSTED at the same time, but the problem was when I was trying to be amazed my tongue went to the back of my throat,with my mouth AND EYES wide open with my head tilted back, but when I got disgusted, my tongue fell out of my mouth and my eyes constricted and my head lowered. It's really frustrating trying to be amazed & disgusted at the same time. Try it sometime. It's an interesting exercise. It's like trying to find a 1000 Christians believe the same things at the same time or to unite all Christian Churches into 1 Church being united in doctrinal beliefs and just using the Bible as a foundation for belief.

Maybe "You will know them by their fruit" can describe what EVIL looks like as a facial expression since he knows it so well.

I think maybe you would even give the ACTING ART of "MIME" A BAD NAME.

WhyWorry said...

Amen! I wouldn't hold my tongue as long as you have...you are a better man than me. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but when you have made it, move on, leave it alone, get on with your life.

Enough said...my prayers are with you.

mogel said...

You will Know Them By Their Fruit:

Oh by the way, there is no such thing as "everlasting death". See 1 Corinthians 15: 21-23, 39-42. All people regardless of being good or evil, or regardless of flesh, will be resurrected, and live again, in an afterlife, otherwise, you aren't really a Christian & you don't believe in the resurrection or the Bible. I can only conclude from your POSTINGS, you are rejecting the most precious part of the Bible yourself & showing what a hypocrite you are & that your own fruit is rotten.

Please pay particular attention to verse 22, the word, ALL. This word makes no room for argumentation. If you believe in "everlasting death", are you saying that Satan is dead & not alive & real? If he is not real or alive, there can not be any evil, so what makes you the perfect judge of evil or this thing that can't be, according to your choice of words?

you will know them by their fruit said...
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you will know them by their fruit said...

To Christians "eternal death" is the equivilent of eternal damnation.

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/eternaldeath.html

I'll try to go slower for you next time Mogel.

you will know them by their fruit said...

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/eternaldeath.html

I really don't want to get in a fight with you, but I am obligated to fight you when you pervert the Word of God for your own worldly ambitions.

I hope and pray that both you and Kurt can humble yourselves, repenting of the wrongs you have done.

I am a sinner too.

WillToFight said...

You Will Know them By Their Fruit said:

I hope and pray that both you and Kurt can humble yourselves, repenting of the wrongs you have done.

I am a sinner too.

FruitLoop this will be my first and only post to you.

I do believe that you would not recognize Jesus if he returned today!

I believe that I could and I am not a Christian. Christians are not the only one that visit this site!

down but not out said...

Willtofight said,

I do believe that you would not recognize Jesus if he returned today!



Boy is that correct. People will be looking for a ham eating, Sunday keeping, Sabbath breaking,Torah abbrogating, blue eyed non-Jew named (Greek name) Jesus.

getmeoffthisride said...

DownButNotOut - Have you ever read Romans Chapter 13, 14, and 15? It will enlighten you on the subjects you brought up.

When Christ died and rose again, we were no longer bound by the law. We now live by the Spirit who guides us if we are believers in Christ. If we are in Christ, then the Spirit lives in us.

Paul writes that if you feel you must live still by the law, then your faith is weak. Further on, he writes that if we continue to live by the law, then Christ died for nothing. Even Paul considered all things clean to eat! He probably enjoyed a few pieces of bacon with his eggs! And maybe a little lobster or crab for lunch or dinner! But, since your faith is weak, then feel free to obey the old testament laws of eating that way. The early church didn't worship only on Saturday! We are not to judge you by how you serve Jesus in this way and you are not to judge us!

God cannot reign with evil or sin. Therefore, those who do not accept the Gift, will not see the kingdom of heaven. The scripture says that God is patient, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance so that we can all live forever with Him. He is a very loving and merciful God. Why do you think that man has been here so long on earth? How much more can God take of our foolishness? Satan has an eternal punishment waiting for him and those who do not accept Christ will suffer the same fate.

I choose life with Christ!

WillToFight said...
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WillToFight said...

See that is the problem you'll tring to say what "God can do" or "God Can not do"

You are a simple ameba to the power of God.


GetMeoffthisride
said:

"God cannot reign with evil or sin. Therefore, those who do not accept the Gift, will not see the kingdom of heaven".

Who are you that you can make a statement like that?

I would not be so bold to say what God can Do or not. And even to think that God is equal to or did not allow evil would be to give evil as much power as your God!

Look you make your choices. I will make mine. You choose Christ, is your prerogative and yours alone.

Everyone Quit Trespassing with this crap!

Action for change and the recognition of truth based on facts is all you need to do.

Quit trying to tell others what God will or will not do. God has allowed all that is going on to go on! You take the side that you will!

It's called free will!

Get it! All this denominational bull is why we have so many problems today.

The big three religious orders are: Christianity, Judaism and Islam, and if you ask me all three are attempting to destroy the World and the rest of us with they're idiocy!

The three youngest and most misdirected docrtines in existance today! None of the three deserve the power that they wield.

Billions of people have died in the name of which ever of the big Three doctrines that are discussed here.

Keep your doctrine to yourselves. I'm tired of hearing any of them. I agree with none of the big three.

good night!

WillToFight said...

In other words

EVERYTHING IS WITHIN GOD

NOTHING IS OUTSIDE OF THE ALL

THAT ENCLUDES EVIL AND GOOD1


THINK ABOUT THAT!

Starfish Prime said...
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Starfish Prime said...

My apology for not getting back to you sooner regarding your July email; all of my firm's members were fully occupied with trial commitments and existing client business.

In any event, you mentioned the Dorean Group and Kurt Johnson in your previous email: I understand that Mr. Johnson was either convicted or pled guilty to federal felony charges in Utah, and in either event awaits sentencing.

Did you have a personal situation you wished to discuss? If so, please telephone Patti, my legal secretary, and she will be pleased to set up a mutually agreeable date/time certain for a teleconference.

Until then, I remain,

Sincerely yours,

Robert

mogel said...

You will Know Them By Their Fruit: No, "everlasting death" is not the same as "everlasting damnation". You can't find the phrase "everlasting death" anywhere in the scriptures because it's a total contradiction. Eternal is another name for God. So if you take your stupid phrase literally, it becomes "God's death." Nice try, but your care to words are about as flippant as your judgments are about what evil is or WHO is evil.
And your understanding of "eternal damnation" is just as dense. Eternal damnation is a punishment, only reserved for "sons of perdition" like Lucifer & his angels themselves WHO ARE TOTALLY EVIL. Sorry, but Kurt doesn't qualify for that, nor does anyone on this forum. So get off your pedestal, or be prepared to be knocked off FOR YOUR IGNORANCE.

mogel said...

To Christians "eternal death" is the equivilent of eternal damnation.

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/eternaldeath.html

I'll try to go slower for you next time Mogel.
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Rotten Fruit: I went to your link, but still I can't find the words "eternal death" anywhere. What scripture & verse OR EVEN IN YOUR LINK is this contained as an equivalent or even defined equally & why would they be defined as being equal? Could you go a little slower please & show me. I patiently await. Show me anywhere where any inspired authority, says they are the equivalent & how they equate?

Did you read Kurt's latest blog on what people THINK equate but they really DON'T EQUATE in reality. Read his latest post at least 30 times to comprehend what he is really saying. He really must have spent alot of time thinking on that post before he wrote it, because it's really profound. I think you need to read it many times, because you are missing some important points. Aren't you being just as unreasonable in your equations of baseless assumptions & conclusions? Have you considered the awful possibility that you are perverting the word of God & maybe you should fear your own accusations?

mogel said...

Death = Damnation
means we are all damned. How's that for the Christian virtue called, "hope" of a better life.

getmeoffthisride said...

Will To Fight, It's obvious you have to angry here at what I said because you don't even read the bible!!

Read it and you'll find out that God doesn't reign with evil. He's pure and holy.

I'm not saying what He can and cannot do, He says it in the bible and through the Holy Spirit convicting out hearts of wrongdoing including anger.

You are right! It is your choice as to whether or not you believe. No one here is trying to push anything on you.

What do you say when Kurt brings up God? Do you tell him to back down? It is his choice too whether he believes or not and perhaps he's not ashamed to admit so.

getmeoffthisride said...

willtofight - are you also saying from the earlier post that you believe that Christianity is a myth?

you will know them by their fruit said...

eternal death = damnation

the opposite is eternal life

Really Mogel, this isn't that difficult. How do you get so confused so easily?

you will know them by their fruit said...

I'll defend Christ,

You keep on defending Kurt.

Lets see who has the easier job.

You are one confused person. Hanging around Kurt has hurt your ability to recognize truth.

He died for me! said...

Acts 2:36-41
36.Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ--this Jesus whom you crucified.Lk. 2:11 Ac.2:23
37.Now when they heard this they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?" Lk.3:10,12,14
38.Peter said to them,"Repent,and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Mk.1:15 Ac.8:12,&16
39."For the promise is for you and your children and for ALL who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to himself."
40.And with many words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!"
41.So then,those who had received his word were baptized;and that day there were add about three thousand souls. Ac.3:23

you will know them by their fruit said...

I am done speaking with you Mogel (pearls/swine). But I will continue to address those who choose to violate Christianity, especially for the love of money.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Revelations 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

A death to be continually experienced for eternity. The soul never dies.

mogel said...

Rotten fruit said: Revelations 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
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Dear Rotten Fruit: How does that scripture relate AT ALL to our discussion or to Kurt himself or to the phrase "everlasting death" & to Kurt whom you have wrongfully judged & suggested he is deserving of this "second death"? A "second death" is STILL not equivalent to "everlasting death" which a "second death" is worthy of ONLY those "sons of perdition" which are only reserved for ONLY a few which is even a "different hell" & different place than the scripture above you quoted. Since you have no idea what those requirements are, you certainly couldn't judge who is worthy of a "sons of perdition" fate.

"Spiritual death" or a "second death" is separation from God. You are already separated from God, by the way, not being in his literal presence.

Those in the scripture you quoted above, by the way, will COME OUT of that "hell" you mentioned, EVERY ONE OF THEM, once they pay for themselves the price of sins they committed that they didn't repent of, so the term, "everlasting death" becomes even more nonsensical. Coming out of hell, is called "mercy", which is something you don't understand at all & I doubt if you understand what "justice" means either. Your idea of justice is to be punished FOREVER. Is that the God you worship as a Christian?

A merciful God would not leave someone in hell forever & I speak not of the "sons of perdition" who choose to be where their eventual fate is, but we're not talking about that since the above scripture you gave does not refer to them at all.

The "second death" STILL isn't equivalent to "EVERLASTING DEATH" IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE YOU QUOTED.

Does Kurt have any of those traits in that scripture that he should be judged OF YOU to be worthy of this "second death"? You are through talking to me?

By the way, which specific trait or traits are you referring to in that scripture above in the Book of Revelations is Kurt guilty of? Say what you mean & mean what you say? Is that too much to ask? Obviously, you have an axe to grind, so be more specific?

Are you saying....

Kurt = fearful
Kurt = unbelieving
Kurt = abominable
Kurt = murderer
Kurt = whoremonger
Kurt = sorcerer
Kurt = idolater
Kurt = liar

No, you brought this up, and I am certainly NOT done talking with you. That's not only unfair, but that's a cop out. If you have the truth, than you certainly can defend it bravely without fear.

My Christian Bible says: "Judge not, lest ye also be judged", for with what judgment ye judge, ye shall ALSO be judged. My Bible says, "vengence is MINE AND I will repay." It was your choice to be Judge. You put yourself there, no one else. My Christian virtues teach: "Woe unto him that calleth evil good, and good evil, for such are not exempt from the judgments of God."

By the way, have you ever lied yourself, EVER? Let's be honest, since you yourself admit that you are a sinner. And if you are a liar, then............ what?

Here's a scripture for you:

"And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. but behold, we know no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell fire.

And he that shall breathe out wrath and strifes against the work of the Lord, and against the covenant people of the Lord who are the house of Israel, and shall say: We shall destroy the work of the Lord, and the Lord will remember his covenant which he hath made unto the house of Israel-the same is in danger to be hewn down and cast into the fire."

mogel said...

Rotten Fruit said: "I am done speaking with you Mogel (pearls/swine). But I will continue to address those who choose to violate Christianity, especially for the love of money."
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What principal of Christianity has Kurt violated? "Love of money"? Prove it. You have addressed & proved nothing.

Didn't Kurt agree to give refunds & monies or credits totalling to 26 MM or so to prove to the swines out there, he ISN'T in this pursuit JUST FOR THE MONEY? Aren't YOU the swine who has trampeled over his offer when he threw this pearl to you? Aren't you a swine who has rejected his gift to you by your rantings? Haven't you stepped on Kurt's pearl by trashing the man & his process & called him "evil"? The only thing you have addressed is your own ignorance & hypocrisy!!

Why would anyone go to jail if they were in it as you say, JUST for the money or the "love of money" as it is called. If someone was in it just for the money, then why would Kurt not be lost so to speak in another far off Country long ago , especially if he had several million dollars to enjoy his freedom with?

Also, what "pearls" of wisdom have you offered that I have trampeled over? Inquiring minds want to know.

mogel said...

Rotten fruit said: "I really don't want to get in a fight with you, but I am obligated to fight you when you pervert the Word of God for your own worldly ambitions."
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And praytell, what "worldly ambitions" are you referring to? What ambition could I have by posting here? Are you admitting you believe you are a pyschic, or a "sorcerer" that you can read my mind completely & accurately & KNOW what my ambitions are? I thought only God could READ SOMEONE'S HEART? Are you God now?

Or are you just a self professed sorcerer? Isn't a sorcerer, one of the types that are thrown into the fires of hell you quoted in the Book of Revelations?

"You are obligated"???????????

Have you sworn some secret oath with Satan or something like that? Where does that obligation come from? You don't want to fight with me, but you call me a PIG? Is that one of the Christian virtues you profess to believe in?

What word of God have I perverted? If any doctrine is wrong that I have espoused, prove it by all means. Don't just walk away angry with a "holier than thou" attitude of "I am through with you." Isn't walking away totally contradictory to "your solemn obligation to fight against God's untruths?" You are a myriad of contradictions the more you talk. For your own sake, I suggest you just shut up, although that's not what I really want. That way, people might believe you are intelligent.

Do you hear yourself?

mogel said...

The fruity one said: "eternal death = damnation

the opposite is eternal life

Really Mogel, this isn't that difficult. How do you get so confused so easily?
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If it's so simple & so basic, give me one scripture that uses the phrase: "everlasting death" or "eternal death" even once. Everlasting & Eternal are both names ot Titles for God.

So "eternal life" = "God's Life"
So "eternal death" = "God's death"

Did God ever die? Or how can God give eternal death to someone when the Spirit as you say, is eternal or everlasting by your own admission, which can never die? Are you so sure that those words are opposites or do they only appear to be?

mogel said...

you will know them by their fruit said...
I'll defend Christ,

You keep on defending Kurt.

Lets see who has the easier job.

You are one confused person. Hanging around Kurt has hurt your ability to recognize truth.
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The problem with the statement above is that should/when Kurt finishes what he started to the satisfaction of clients, then, you have admitted you can't defend either. Should/when that happens, will that shake your spiritual walk with God?

Why does it need to be a need to defend one or the other to you? Is it so unbelievable to you that Kurt could be doing the will of the Lord & one could support both? What issue have I shown confusion on? Why do you continually makes things up? What is so difficult about defending Kurt's process or even his integrity? What truth do I not recognize?

Elmer Fudd said...

Peanut Gallery said...
So, are you saying that you don't believe me about loosing my house?

Are you calling me a liar?

Big deal, I have nothing to proove to insignificant worms such as yourself. Go back into the slime from which you came.

I didn't ask you to prove anything now did i? I called you a liar because you're post is not believable Period. Tell you what, if i lost my home relying on this mortgage scam you can be shit sure i'd find kurt and take care of it myself, Legal or by any means necessary. But you lost your home and you still praise him? I think you better go back under the rock you came from cause, You are an idiot or a big fat liar. I believe the second one.

neodemes said...

Mat 15:11, Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

And for all you postureing bigmouths that basically call others ball-less, put your testicles where your mouth is...post with your true identity.

I have.

Show some 'nads or quiet down.

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