Friday, November 18, 2005

The Slow Movers

It appears the slow movers will wait until their patsy, Utah, officially dismisses their case. This quality of people amaze me and that anyone would fear them seems absurd. They find their meandering way like cattle into the meat market of mediocrity. They leave no mark on the world and only exist as a label that retires to a bleached shadow from the radiance of accomplishment that glared at their resistance. Like placing one chicken in a fifty gallon pot there is no soup, only the faint evidence of a chicken in hot water. People with vision and a tenacity to build something, to leave a place better than how they found it have always to confront these self-haters, slackards, pricks like a splinter, who are noticed only for their short lived inconvenience to the flesh. If these were movers and shakers they would have noticed the nuance of liberty in our work and admired it. They are parrots who appear to have a human quality but only repeat the words of another without an original thought. A hundred of these fall to my left and a thousand to my right. Do you think it arrogant to state the truth that “average” in America is a moron and that achievers always must contend with the meek and minor of lethargia schools of bug-eyed humans who turn because the one in front of them did until the net of obscurity has captured the whole lot of them? No truth must declare that slow movers fear decisions which nail one foot to the floor while competence dances the jig of success all around them.

88 comments:

Tony Tuba said...

The Slow Movers? Foghat?

Justice7777777 said...

Fortune cookie say: Walk wild side while ranibow digs hole one cannot see.

Kurts lucky lotto picks:2,12,34,3,7

tcob247 said...

Are you dancing a jig in jail?

acenothing99 said...

>>They find their meandering way like cattle into the meat market of mediocrity.<< What?

>>Like placing one chicken in a fifty gallon pot there is no soup, only the faint evidence of a chicken in hot water.<< Who??

>>...pricks like a splinter,...<< What is your point?

Oh my Kirk...I mean God...

Vm said...

Hi there: I was just surfing around trying to locate the latest information about business brokers, when I came across your site, The Slow Movers, not exactly what I had in mind, but interesting non the less. I now see why when I was looking for information related to business brokers, It directed me to your site. Thanks for the info.

dgwondering said...

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neodemes said...

Someone really should take Kurt's crack pipe away from him.

Elmer Fudd said...

NOW THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!!!! A Cha Cha Cha...Six words comes to mind. One Flew over the cuckoo's Nest.

Elmer Fudd said...

Wasn't Jim Jones as wacky as this man is? Hey will and clue and solvo and swami? Don't drink the milk why? It's spoiled...

son of a prophet said...

......da, da, da, dee, dee, dee, da, da, da........how much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuch could chuck wood.....dee, dee, dee, da, da, dee.............................................................................................................sorry, couldnt help it! These posts are getting like an open forum!

"Hello, and welcome to open forum...youre on the air with Harold Camping......."

WillToFight said...

Cowards, Cowards and more cowards!

Here, Here Kurt! Makes plenty of sense to me.

To the Good Fight!

Elmer Fudd said...

Hey willtofight maybe the kool aid is spoiled? I prefer Iced Tea. :P

geva--f85454 said...

The Slow Movers

Hey whistleblower, you have a pretty good blog here! I'm definitely going to bookmark you!

I have a Darrell Ralph Fantasy Knives. It pretty much covers
Darrell Ralph related stuff.

Come and check out Darrell Ralph if you get time, Nice going !

neodemes said...

Elmer Fudd said...
Wasn't Jim Jones as wacky as this man is?

****************************

I used to have a good story to tell about Jonestown...but...

...the punch line was too long.

:-)

Clueless Fudd said...

CRACK!

That was neodemes looking into another mirror and breaking it due to how fucking ugly this bastard is....

Elmer Fudd said...

Clueless Fudd said...
CRACK!

That was neodemes looking into another mirror and breaking it due to how fucking ugly this bastard is....

Hey Clueless your daddy wants you back in the closest...Behave slave

imbigo said...

Kurt.... Gads speed my friend.

These people have no clue, hang in there!!!

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

P.S. Mama use to say "IF YOU DONT HAVE NOTHEN GOOD TO SAY , DONT SAY NOTHEN"!!!!!

geva--f85454 said...

The Slow Movers

Hey whistleblower, you have a pretty good blog here! I'm definitely going to bookmark you!

I have a fantasy knife Fantasy Knives. It pretty much covers
fantasy knife related stuff.

Come and check out fantasy knife if you get time, Nice going !

geva--f85454 said...

The Slow Movers

Hey whistleblower, you got an interesting blog here! I'm definitely bookmarking you right now!

I have a Fantasy Knives site. It pretty much covers
Balisong Venturi related stuff.

Come and check out Balisong Venturi if you get time :-)

KYHOOYA said...

To all the "LEMMINGS" your so easy to spot.

Well I've been sitting back and reading all the many post here as all the LEMMINGS are so easy to lead you turn to the left, and then to right just as the good little followers you are. as the powers to be post and guide you were they want you to go ( Oh know it look's like they are bad we better go over here , Oh LOK there are right were going to get lots$$$$ we better go over there) When you wake up some day, If ever do, and you have know more rights and your childern life's are as easy to controled as the flip of a coin and what ever the bankers say its going to be. and your living in the same kind of conutryand the same kind of leaders that are forfathers fought to get out from under it happins so slow you can't see it till its to late and if you do and say anything your just one of those radicals or you'll still be doing exactly as your trained to do be good little lemmings and do as you told. Your a sorry bunch of good for nothing ass wipes, You want evrything when it's looking good and you don't have to get off your sorry waste of an ass and maybe fight for what you want. Know you want it to come to you so easily, because you paid a little $$ and dane nabit they said it was going to be easy and that I didn't have to anything just give tham the $$ and sit on my ass and evrything will be alll rightttt. you just sit around and ass and when it not going so easy and as soon as the BANK'S , GOV, BROKERS, ADN ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THING JUST LIKE THEY ARE. when they say turn left (Oh! know! Did you hear? There scamming us the feds, Gov,Bankers,all said so). So hurry LEMMINGS turn left & no wait! or did they say to turn right? it dosen't matter right one min your all aboard, the next your jumping ship. What a bunch of panty waste you are. I mean LEMMINGS. Let me tell you if you think for one min. that anybody with half an onuce of sence to them didn't know the limits of this program than your not just a LEMMING your an idoit! I say most were looking for something to save there ass (unemployment,diabiled, over mortgaged,or any number of thing that puy you looking under the search of mortgage help)or you were looking for maybe info on how to chang the way thing are going na! know way that was it I almost forgot your a bunch of LEMMINGS you couldn't have a mind of your own I'll bet it was just greed you didn't need anything or weren't out to help make life better for anyone else you thought what can I do to get me more shit! You know when you spin the wheel and roll the dice it's a gamble ( even if the game is fixed) you take chances to hope to make it better for the next or for alittle better in life and sometime's it pay's so you and sometime's it come up crap's and so thats what happens when you take a chance.
Let me ask you this when you win and it's due to someone ( maybe that freind with insider info) who gave you that little extra that made you take that chance that was what made the win for you. Do you bitch about ithell know! you run around ,patting the guy on the back telling "YOU THE MANN" or maybe buy him dinner for in thank's. Now when you lose in the same what do you do? go over and tell your freind waht an asshole hi is for ever telling you about that info and bitching how it's his faultand he should pay you for your losses that you and how you put the money on RED like he said but black came up well if your anything like what I see here you probably do exatly that but for me and anyone with any spine and selfrespect would suck it up! learn from it! The fact that you got the inside info and what the freind said was a for sure deal, So you if your not a fucking LEMMING you chose to play and own the end results unless your what I see here a conplete ass hole and don't take any ownership of your chose ( excepte for if it wins than I bet your YAH IT WAS ALL MY SMART THINKING THAT GOT TO THIS POINT HARD WORK i SAY THATS THE WAY YOU GET AHEAD MY GOOD MANN HARD WORK AND SOUND THINKING ) What a blow hard you must be from what you display here and a crying bitch when you loss. Well here the thing if you were'nt so busy looking to blame somone else or being such a LEMMING as not with everything in life if you got off your ass and spent half the time you do here doing something to change it ( as with alot of thing in life you don't get that chance to do) You still have a chance to make something differant better wheather for any gain or just because it's right thing for this country and your kids for the first time something for someone else without saying whats in it for me. Ask yourself this why did I get in this in the first place ???? You are the only one that knows for sure why. 2 if its for any other than just a greedy selfish selfcentered fuck than that resone is still there most likly and need to be worked just as much as ever. 3 so that ask what you could be doing to help. You know I heard someone say that there is no more revolution to be and I think from what I see they may be right it looks like all you LEMMINGS WANT IS TO BE EXACTLY THAT LEMMINGS TO THE END. you think that there are not powers to be that come on here and try to turn the point of afect when it not in there favor you are than truly the dumb ass and get what you get look around you people read the many many publication out about this topic along and find out that these guys are doing ( weather or not you think for the money or not ) what did I think, it was pay my little $3000.00 and sit down close my eyes and wake up iy will all be O.K. ( this an'nt OZ folk ) you need to take what happend and pull your fucking ass up by the bootstaps and look at what can still be done to maybe change the way thing are or dare I say it, Stop be such a bunch of asswipes & cry babys and even if things don't change for you and you don't get a dime back you loss you have a chance to still WIN, Change thing for the future you kids future. Try and think for yourself for once and maybe of something other than yourself and don't be such a LEMMING so it did'nt go as plained, Know ones happy about it except the bankers that is. you know if you truly read all there is to read about this case and lisen carfully you can't help but see all the twist and turn from the powers to be and how is that that with so many differant programs out there that this little one has gottin so much effort from the GOVerment and all tose others just keep on keeping on thing that make you go HUH? OR AFTER YOU READ ALITTLE AND YOU STILL WANT TO BE A LEMMING THAT AS MY POSTING NAME WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND KEEP YOUR HEAD STUCK UP YOUR ASS AS FGAR AS YOU CAN AND JUST MAYBE , JUAST MAYBE WHAEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN YOU'LL BE USE TO THE SMELL OF IT. YOU WANT CHANGE THAN GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE EVERY MIN. OF AVERY DAY DON'T BE A LEMMING IT ONLY EVER END WITH YOU FOLLOWING RIGHT OFF A CLIFF SOMEWERE

getmeoffthisride said...

$3000k is hardly pocket change, whether you believe in the process or not. You must be filled with coins.

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
Are you dancing a jig in jail?

AND AS FOR YOU PIN HEAD AS i SAID YOU CAN'T WORK FOR A REAL JOB SO IT MUST BE THAT YOU WORK FOR THE GOVERMENT. GO GET A REAL JOB YOU FUCK OH BY THE WAY YOU WANT TO SEND THAT COPY OF YOUR CHECK THERE BIG GUY JUST LET ME KNOW i LET YOU THE E-MAIL TO DO JUST THAT LOVE TO SEE THIS MADE UP JOKE OTHER THAN THAT ALL OTHER COMENTS GO UN HEAR PLANT!

getmeoffthisride said...

Please don't lambaste these people with your cussing and foolishness. Some of these people came in with hope in their hearts to get out of a process that they felt was drowning them. So what if they came in with mortgages over their head or maybe they had medical problems that they couldn't deal with financially. They weren't out for greed. They saw a way to make their lives a little better. They came in with hope. To them, their hopes have been dashed. They put $3k out of their pockets for hope and now they're out that money that might need to make a house payment or pay medical bills or medication. Don't think that everyone who complains comes in here with big bucks to throw out such as yourself. And since you have some money in your pocket, can you spend some of it to get a tutor to teach you how to spell? For heaven's sake, it took me a while to get through that post because of all the errors.
Why do you stay in the process? You have hope right? Some people stay in the process and wait because they have hope. There's nothing wrong with that. Are you a type of lemming as well? Are you a sheep? Only following a different shepherd?
When all is said and done and as Dr. Fred said (paraphrased by me), there will be people walking around with big fat ATM cards and a smile on their face. That will say it all, won't it? Don't chastise people though for having hope and then feeling like they have had their hopes thrown away with $3k. People work hard for their money.

KYHOOYA said...

HEY KURT

Keep with it I know it can't be E Z at times but just to no not all out here is shit for brains, just the ones with there heads up there asss ...

fight the fight

Just look to your side and see what others have mistaken, Let that keep you strong.

tcob247 said...

khooey....

Have a little time on your hands this morning did ya?

Question for you

What are you doing about this
whole process?
Are you fighting for it?
What are you doing?
Going on talk shows?
Picketing the banks or the jail where Kurt is?
Writing the president to tell him how un-American he is?

Are you willing to go to jail for the process?

Tell us what you are doing oh mighty one.

Yes i have a real job
Post your e-mail
I will send a copy of my checks
Maybe then you will shut up
(I doubt it)

By the way. I love your language. You present yourself as a real educated man

Seen it in Utah said...

Mogel: I am still waiting for an answer. Tell me where I can find a copy of this "administrative judgment with apostille". I will share with everyone what I find.

Also, you never answered my question: what is your role in Dorean?

dgwondering said...

Seen it in Utah, Mogel is Byron Gashler, a Dorean promoter out of Iowa.

Seen it in Utah said...

dgwondering: thanks for that information. I had a feeling that Mogel was a promoter or principal...no way he could be one of the clients who ended up with no home and big debts.

I hope Mogel/Byron will accept the opportunity to share with us the information on this judgment he referred to. I think everyone would be interested to see just what it is and what the likelihood of any collection success would be.

whataboutjere said...

If you are looking for the judgments, Byron will not be able to help you. There is only one man who can get them for you and his name is Kurt.

So, I think I saw someone flinch in utah, go down to the jail house Kurt resides being that you are so close, and are man enough to do his due diligence, and ask him for this evidence yourself.

tcob247 said...

Yah I'm sure Kurt will whip it right out for him in jail there

Mogel indicated he had this info.
He should be forthcoming with this.

Utah is not doing due diligence for his own benefit, he offered to investigate the viability of the document and pass on what he finds out.

Are you interested, or do you just want to trash him?

Speaking of not being man enough......Hey khooey....havent heard back from you yet

geva--f85454 said...

The Slow Movers

Hey whistleblower, you got an interesting blog here! I'm definitely bookmarking you right now!

I have a Fantasy Knives site. It pretty much covers
Custom Art Knives related stuff.

Come and check out Custom Art Knives if you get time :-)

Seen it in Utah said...

whataboutjere: The flinching you saw in Utah is undoubtedly Kurt...I have no problem going to see him in the county lockup--but I don't know if he'd agree to see me. How about it big guy? You give me the word and I'll come and visit you and get the information on the "judgment".

And jere, Mogel/Byron posted weeks ago that he knew all about this judgment and had all the information. I asked him for that information then and he never responded. I hope he will this time. If the judgment is real, then there should be no reason to hide it from anyone. In fact, judgments are public record, so there is no reason at all to hide it.

mogel said...

Seen It in Utah said: "no way he could be one of the clients who ended up with no home and big debts."

Your logic is not actually true, by the way. There are clients and I know who they are, who have lost their homes, or who are in foreclosure, who still believe as STRONGLY AS I DO, pertaining to the legitimacy of the process & it's eventual success. It's called faith which I find you lacking in.

BigKahouna69 said...

You people all suck............ All you want to do is complain and as soon as people start talking about money or judgements all you sorry ass people jump on the bandwagon!!!!!!!!!!!! First of all the judgements are real and I wouldn't nor have to prove anything to you or anybody else. The people that are bitching are in this for only one reason and that is because they are GREEDY and looking for a HAND OUT........ If their sorry ass's would of bought something that they could afford then they wouldn't be looking for a hand out.

Seen it in Utah said...

Mogel & Kahouna: So, let's go through the judgment together...send me a copy or whatever you have...we can each work on verifying the judgment and share with everyone how the judgment collection will work and when your clients can be paid. Faith is good stuff--but in this case, since it the arm of man everyone is relying on--something in writing that can be verified is much better. You have alot of people who read this blog regularly to see how they will be helped ande taken care of. Promises have been made for a very long time as to large sums of money heading to your clients and various victims. This will make a lot of people believers in the good works and honesty of the people from Dorean.

What do you have to lose? As far as I can see, the only reasons that I can see that you will not share the "judgment" with me is that you have something to hide. Maybe there is no judgment. Maybe there is a judgment that is a work of fiction. Maybe it is real and the judgment debtor has no money. Maybe the judgment is real and the judgment debtor is loaded and ripe for collection efforts. How can all these people waiting for this money possibly complain if we do the work to prove to them that there really be money for them? Seems like everyone wins if you can "show me the money". What are you afraid of?

Elmer Fudd said...

KYHOOYA said...
To all the "LEMMINGS" your so easy to spot.

Well I've been sitting back and reading all the many post here as all the LEMMINGS are so easy to lead you turn to the left, and then to right just as the good little followers you are. as the powers to be post and guide you were they want you to go ( Oh know it look's like they are bad we better go over here , Oh LOK there are right were going to get lots$$$$ we better go over there) When you wake up some day, If ever do, and you have know more rights and your childern life's are as easy to controled as the flip of a coin and what ever the bankers say its going to be. and your living in the same kind of conutryand the same kind of leaders that are forfathers fought to get out from under it happins so slow you can't see it till its to late and if you do and say anything your just one of those radicals or you'll still be doing exactly as your trained to do be good little lemmings and do as you told. Your a sorry bunch of good for nothing ass wipes, You want evrything when it's looking good and you don't have to get off your sorry waste of an ass and maybe fight for what you want. Know you want it to come to you so easily, because you paid a little $$ and dane nabit they said it was going to be easy and that I didn't have to anything just give tham the $$ and sit on my ass and evrything will be alll rightttt. you just sit around and ass and when it not going so easy and as soon as the BANK'S , GOV, BROKERS, ADN ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THING JUST LIKE THEY ARE. when they say turn left (Oh! know! Did you hear? There scamming us the feds, Gov,Bankers,all said so). So hurry LEMMINGS turn left & no wait! or did they say to turn right? it dosen't matter right one min your all aboard, the next your jumping ship. What a bunch of panty waste you are. I mean LEMMINGS. Let me tell you if you think for one min. that anybody with half an onuce of sence to them didn't know the limits of this program than your not just a LEMMING your an idoit! I say most were looking for something to save there ass (unemployment,diabiled, over mortgaged,or any number of thing that puy you looking under the search of mortgage help)or you were looking for maybe info on how to chang the way thing are going na! know way that was it I almost forgot your a bunch of LEMMINGS you couldn't have a mind of your own I'll bet it was just greed you didn't need anything or weren't out to help make life better for anyone else you thought what can I do to get me more shit! You know when you spin the wheel and roll the dice it's a gamble ( even if the game is fixed) you take chances to hope to make it better for the next or for alittle better in life and sometime's it pay's so you and sometime's it come up crap's and so thats what happens when you take a chance.
Let me ask you this when you win and it's due to someone ( maybe that freind with insider info) who gave you that little extra that made you take that chance that was what made the win for you. Do you bitch about ithell know! you run around ,patting the guy on the back telling "YOU THE MANN" or maybe buy him dinner for in thank's. Now when you lose in the same what do you do? go over and tell your freind waht an asshole hi is for ever telling you about that info and bitching how it's his faultand he should pay you for your losses that you and how you put the money on RED like he said but black came up well if your anything like what I see here you probably do exatly that but for me and anyone with any spine and selfrespect would suck it up! learn from it! The fact that you got the inside info and what the freind said was a for sure deal, So you if your not a fucking LEMMING you chose to play and own the end results unless your what I see here a conplete ass hole and don't take any ownership of your chose ( excepte for if it wins than I bet your YAH IT WAS ALL MY SMART THINKING THAT GOT TO THIS POINT HARD WORK i SAY THATS THE WAY YOU GET AHEAD MY GOOD MANN HARD WORK AND SOUND THINKING ) What a blow hard you must be from what you display here and a crying bitch when you loss. Well here the thing if you were'nt so busy looking to blame somone else or being such a LEMMING as not with everything in life if you got off your ass and spent half the time you do here doing something to change it ( as with alot of thing in life you don't get that chance to do) You still have a chance to make something differant better wheather for any gain or just because it's right thing for this country and your kids for the first time something for someone else without saying whats in it for me. Ask yourself this why did I get in this in the first place ???? You are the only one that knows for sure why. 2 if its for any other than just a greedy selfish selfcentered fuck than that resone is still there most likly and need to be worked just as much as ever. 3 so that ask what you could be doing to help. You know I heard someone say that there is no more revolution to be and I think from what I see they may be right it looks like all you LEMMINGS WANT IS TO BE EXACTLY THAT LEMMINGS TO THE END. you think that there are not powers to be that come on here and try to turn the point of afect when it not in there favor you are than truly the dumb ass and get what you get look around you people read the many many publication out about this topic along and find out that these guys are doing ( weather or not you think for the money or not ) what did I think, it was pay my little $3000.00 and sit down close my eyes and wake up iy will all be O.K. ( this an'nt OZ folk ) you need to take what happend and pull your fucking ass up by the bootstaps and look at what can still be done to maybe change the way thing are or dare I say it, Stop be such a bunch of asswipes & cry babys and even if things don't change for you and you don't get a dime back you loss you have a chance to still WIN, Change thing for the future you kids future. Try and think for yourself for once and maybe of something other than yourself and don't be such a LEMMING so it did'nt go as plained, Know ones happy about it except the bankers that is. you know if you truly read all there is to read about this case and lisen carfully you can't help but see all the twist and turn from the powers to be and how is that that with so many differant programs out there that this little one has gottin so much effort from the GOVerment and all tose others just keep on keeping on thing that make you go HUH? OR AFTER YOU READ ALITTLE AND YOU STILL WANT TO BE A LEMMING THAT AS MY POSTING NAME WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND KEEP YOUR HEAD STUCK UP YOUR ASS AS FGAR AS YOU CAN AND JUST MAYBE , JUAST MAYBE WHAEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN YOU'LL BE USE TO THE SMELL OF IT. YOU WANT CHANGE THAN GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE EVERY MIN. OF AVERY DAY DON'T BE A LEMMING IT ONLY EVER END WITH YOU FOLLOWING RIGHT OFF A CLIFF SOMEWERE

7:33 AM

LoL Hey Hooya Are you clueless fudd's father? You kinda sound like the type "southern boy makes em squeal" Here piggy piggy piggy.. I didn't know that kurt let people in the process that Made Moonshine, Are you trying to get your shine stil away from those evil bankers too? YeeHaa yippy ky yaaaaaaaaaaaaa....Lern 2 spel corexctly Knucklehead.... Hey Clue your kin's coming outta the woodwork or should i say from underneath the rocks!!!!

Elmer Fudd said...

BigKahouna69 said...
You people all suck............ All you want to do is complain and as soon as people start talking about money or judgements all you sorry ass people jump on the bandwagon!!!!!!!!!!!! First of all the judgements are real and I wouldn't nor have to prove anything to you or anybody else. The people that are bitching are in this for only one reason and that is because they are GREEDY and looking for a HAND OUT........ If their sorry ass's would of bought something that they could afford then they wouldn't be looking for a hand out.

Another Loser that doesn't make any sense....Clue is this one uncle Ray Ray?

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah: A simple explanation of the process is in order for you to understand how a Judgment is created.

A letter by certified mail is sent to the Lender where the trustees tell the lender that the loan contract may not have been accurately represented to the borrower, and that the trustees job is to protect the beneficiaries from stealthy encroachments on their assets, and that the trustee intends to handle this problem administratively without any damage to either party. Demand is made on the lender to rebut the affidavit of truth. Failure to respond to this demand completely will be an acceptance that the lender did not provide good faith disclosure of the loan agreement. Lenders silence to respond will be considered a default and trustees will use the enclosed documents to assist in a remedy. Lenders failure to defend itself now will bar lender from asserting a claim in the future. By lender not rebutting the charges placed against them, they agree to appoint the trustees as attorney-in-fact under the specific power of attorney attached. The specific power of attorney allows the trustees the right to correct title and change or amend the client’s credit bureau reports. Trustees demand in their complaint to the Lenders, give the bank the opportunity to cure and the remedy to cure. .

Lenders default is an agreement that trustees can and will remove the security interest of the lender. Lender agrees due to their default to activate a specific power of attorney for Trustees to remedy title as agents or attorney in fact for the bank, or lenders default allows the Trustees to file a UCC financing statement listing the lender as a debtor and the Trustees listed as a secured party on title of the property.

If the claim is without merit, the lender agrees to make a claim on the bond. To make a claim on the bond, the lender must answer point for point the charges in the “affidavit of truth”, or sign the affidavit of Bank” already prepared for them within 10 days. Lender agrees that their lack of response or partial response, that the lender did not provide full good faith disclosure of the alleged agreement, so it is not in the lenders best interest to ignore the complaint. Lender has a duty to speak and lenders failure to respond bars the lender from asserting any claims by their silence and default down the road.

Upon the lenders default to answer the charges, the lender agrees that the specific power of attorney enclosed, gives the trustees all rights as agents of the bank, and the rights to correct the commercial credit files of the grantor, and the lender has no recourse against the trustees as they are acting as their agent.

When the lender refuses or declines to apply lenders authentication to the Specific Power of Attorney, within the time period herein, this constitutes the lenders express consent and authorization of lenders signature now affixed to the Specific Power of Attorney document in accordance with UCC 1-201(39), 3-401(b)(ii) and other law.

It is agreed that the “Notice Of Intent To Correct Title” becomes the sole agreement between the parties absent a full good faith disclosure and bonding by the lender, and a return of the grantors deposit and interest earned, or it is agreed that the lender will provide a good faith disclosure of the accounting general ledger, and the original note with front and backs with endorsement to be provided for an audit by a CPA of the trustees choosing. The bond is included for twice the amount borrowed to release any interest the lender has against the property, or to protect the lender should the trustees charges prove to be invalid. The lender agrees not to litigate, or cloud title, or continue in any claim, otherwise it is agreed that the lender consents to a claim of 1 million dollars against them in the form of a secured UCC financing statement filed with the State. This has already been filed & proof is a matter of public record.

Lender agrees that after nonpayment of any invoices for damages caused by the lenders trespasses, that any assets owned by the lender can be liquidated without a judicial hearing, and that the trustees may use any enforcement provided by law.

All of the terms become an acceptance by the banks due to their silence of not answering the presentment and charges, since the trustees presentment is an offer to contract and since the bank has a fiduciary responsibility to answer, and the lenders non-answer is considered a legal acceptance through default. The lender affirms this agreement through their silence, hence the legal phrase, “silence is acquiescence” or “silence is an agreement” between the parties that there is an understanding and acceptance and delivery of the agreement since there were no written objections filed. One can only fairly conclude the banks are guilty of everything that is charged against them when they don’t answer point for point in writing. The innocent have nothing to hide.

The whole Dorean process papertrail is a "judgment" against the lender. A "judgment" doesn't have to be signed by a black robed Judge in order to be a valid negotiable instrument that has value that can be sold for cash to a specialized group of offshore investors. You wouldn't know where to go to confirm the value of this even if you understood everything, so what's the point?

Further proof of this judgment will be the "claims" that clients will file on the new website coming up next month as extra proof against the lenders.

Whether the investors will use this "paper" or assignment of claim, as collateral for new loans, or as paper to fractionalize loans with other banks, or whether this paper will be attempted to be collected upon by these investors, or whether these investors will assign these claims, or use these claims as financial offsets for their full value, remains to be seen. As any asset, there are many different uses for it. Who really cares what they do with this paper assignment, as long as they pay for it & they consider it to be valuable to them & many lives are financially enriched.

Mogel

GR82BMOI said...

And Dorean clients actually paid good money for this? Ah haaaa ha he he he haaa ha he he ahaaa a ha…sorry, I’m starting to choke…

neodemes said...

Byron sez:

The whole Dorean process papertrail is a "judgment" against the lender. A "judgment" doesn't have to be signed by a black robed Judge in order to be a valid negotiable instrument that has value that can be sold for cash to a specialized group of offshore investors.

******************************

Tha's what you are asking people to pin their faith to???

LOL

Good luck with that. No investor with half a brain would consider this drivel as viable.

Elmer Fudd said...

Meanwhile so many people that paid Dorean relied on these so called trustee's to help them out from whatever problem's that may arise. We'll Mogel all of Dorean clients and i mean all got the shaft, and your trustee's are sitting in the clink. And whoever comes on here to say that it's untrue we'll your a Dorean plant and your full of shit like Kurt.

tcob247 said...

khooey ......??????
Where are you

I'm waiting for your answer.

Mogel.....
still waiting for this

"Seen it in Utah said...
Mogel: I am still waiting for an answer. Tell me where I can find a copy of this "administrative judgment with apostille". I will share with everyone what I find."

Clueless Fudd said...

neodemes said...
Good luck with that. No investor with half a brain would consider this drivel as viable.

As well, Good Luck with the plastic surgery to put some hair on the top of your head to match the mullet in the back, you ugly bastard.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Neodemes, I suggest 1-800-PLASTIC! They do good work. They removed the knife out of my back my ex wife gave me. Mullet repair should be easy compared to my ordeal.

tcob247 said...

khooey disappeared

acenothing99 said...

getmeoffthisride said "They weren't out for greed."

BULLSHIT...greed is what it is/was all about. They thought they could steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from lenders and banks. They are even hoping to screw you via ripping off FannieMae or FreddMac.

They were willing to "risk" $3,000 to do it and now...SUPRISE...they were ripped off. Ripped off by a complete con man (and convict) with a prior criminal record of securities fraud..."with being prosecuted by the government for securities fraud. I didn't mind doing the time (5yrs. 8mon.) for a crime..." (his own words on the front page of the blog)

Instead of ripping off the institutions for thousands THEY were ripped off. The perfect setup and sting. Play on peoples greed.

Wake up and smell the greed

Seen it in Utah said...

Dear Mogel: I appreciated your time and serious response to my question. I am familiary with the process, and I am also familiar with the law and the loans documents.

There are some serious flaws in this process. First, the loan documents expressly and completely do NOT allow the trustor to appoint a sucessor trustee. Only the benficiary is allowed to appoint a successor or replacement trustee. Therefore, any replacement of a trustee by the trustor or mortgagor is not a valid substitution of trustee. Read the trust deed or mortgage carefully. They are VERY clear as to who may susbtitute the trustee. In addition, many states (Utah included) have very specific statutory requirements as to who or what may act as trustee under the trust deed. In Utah, for example, a trustee has to be an attorney licensed to practice in the state, a state or federally chartered bank or credit union. A trustee of a trust is NOT a valid trustee. Either way, the substitution of trustee and any subsequent act(s) taken by the "successor trustee" are not valid acts recognized at law, or by the very contract between the lender and the borrower (the trust deed).

Additionally, the unilateral effort made by the trustees (Heineman, Johnson, et al.) are not valid exercises of Regulation Z as they claim. You need to read RESPA to find what remedies are available for RESPA or Reg Z violations. The unilateral "put up or shut up" approach in the demand is not one of the legal options for curing or punishing Reg Z or RESPA violations. That is an approach that is created (again, unilaterally) by Dorean. As you can tell from a number of cases in federal court, the law does not recognize the unilateral demand sent by the trustees to the lender. I have to leave now, and I have more to share--but bottom line, I appreciate Mogel's time and seriousness, but the process he outlines will not result in a successful judgment and successful collection. If that is the hope that Dorean is pinning the future funds on, it is a very weak reed upon which to lean.

pasak said...

57-1-21. Trustees of trust deeds -- Qualifications.

(1) (a) The trustee of a trust deed shall be:
(i) any active member of the Utah State Bar who maintains a place within the state where the trustor or other interested parties may meet with the trustee to:
(A) request information about what is required to reinstate or payoff the obligation secured by the trust deed;
(B) deliver written communications to the lender as required by both the trust deed and by law;
(C) deliver funds to reinstate or payoff the loan secured by the trust deed; or
(D) deliver funds by a bidder at a foreclosure sale to pay for the purchase of the property secured by the trust deed.
(ii) any depository institution as defined in Section 7-1-103, or insurance company authorized to do business and actually doing business in Utah under the laws of Utah or the United States;
(iii) any corporation authorized to conduct a trust business and actually conducting a trust business in Utah under the laws of Utah or the United States;
(iv) any title insurance company or agency that:
(A) holds a certificate of authority or license under Title 31A, Insurance Code, to conduct insurance business in the state;
(B) is actually doing business in the state; and
(C) maintains a bona fide office in the state;
(v) any agency of the United States government; or
(vi) any association or corporation that is licensed, chartered, or regulated by the Farm Credit Administration or its successor.
(b) For purposes of this Subsection (1), a person maintains a bona fide office within the state if that person maintains a physical office in the state:
(i) that is open to the public;
(ii) that is staffed during regular business hours on regular business days; and
(iii) at which a trustor of a trust deed may in person:
(A) request information regarding a trust deed; or
(B) deliver funds, including reinstatement or payoff funds.
(c) Subsection (1) is not applicable to a trustee of a trust deed existing prior to May 14, 1963, nor to any agreement that is supplemental to that trust deed.
(d) The amendments in Chapter 209, Laws of Utah 2002, to this Subsection (1) apply only to a trustee that is appointed on or after May 6, 2002.
(2) The trustee of a trust deed may not be the beneficiary of the trust deed, unless the beneficiary is qualified to be a trustee under Subsection (1)(a)(ii), (iii), (v), or (vi).
(3) The power of sale conferred by Section 57-1-23 may only be exercised by the trustee of a trust deed if the trustee is qualified under Subsection (1)(a)(i) or (iv).
(4) A trust deed with an unqualified trustee or without a trustee shall be effective to create a lien on the trust property, but the power of sale and other trustee powers under the trust deed may be exercised only if the beneficiary has appointed a qualified successor trustee under Section 57-1-22.

Seen it in Utah said...

Pasak: Thanks for the code sections. You can see from those code sections that there is NO way that Heineman/Johnson can qualify as trustee under the trust deed. No way for their "reconveyance" of the trust deed to be valid.

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah: The trustor can do whatever he wants because the original agreement was rescinded, voided out due to fraud of the lender since the trustor was the creditor in the transaction, not the lender. The old agreement between trustor & lender is voided due to fraud & the lenders default, therefore it no longer applies in Court or outside of Court. The Dorean process creates a new agreement thus replacing & superceding the old agreement.

RESPA & Regulation Z are not real fair rememdies to the lender's fraud & these remedies are not the sole remedy of the client. They give small penalties that are a drop in the bucket and don't make people whole. These laws were passed to appease the people & allow the lenders another generation to steal. Clients will get their remedies through the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) which as I understand it, is international law, so these judgments are valuable offshore. The UCC justifies the validity & marketability of these defaults (judgments) obtained against the lenders. As I understand it, the probable buyer of these defaults or assignment of these claim rights, is a major Country in Asia that is interested in these to offset their debt owed to American Banks. They buy them at a 60% discount or more of face value & could apply them to 100% face value of their debt owed by their Country to these Banks in the West.

The only issue is, are these defaults a marketable item & are they valuable? If they are, then Dorean will succeed.

I heard a testimony yesterday of a sovereign person that sued his lender in an Article 3 Court (constitutional Court) & won. This judgment was later sold to none other than Wells Fargo Bank who bought it. Buying of debt instruments is a Big Business & is a real business.

Don't really care to discuss what the legal requirements are of a Utah trustee. All you proved in your last post is that the BAR is a monopoly & has monopolized everything which seems to be against the spirit of the Sherman & Anti-Trust laws. You've only shown that Utah law may be in violation of Federal Law.

Mogel

livinginxs said...

Can we hold these same truths with credit card debt?

Seen it in Utah said...

Mogel: I find it fascinating that you, and I presume othe Doreanites choose which laws you think are acceptable which you do not, and act accordingly. Somehow the UCC is sacred law but other statutory law means nothing to you.

The UCC is law that is adopted, state by state, to more uniformly regulate transactional law. It is not federal law, it is not international law. It is state law.

But the laws that determine if and how a trustee can exist or be appointed is also state law. Why do you choose to glorify one law over another? It seems that Dorean chooses to only emphasize law that suits their particular need.

I completely understand the "vapor money" theory you people use to justify your actions, but they are fundamentaly flawed. It is really clear that Doreanites really do not understand how the mortgage brokerage funding process works. And, further, how Dorean talks out of both sides of its mouht regarding this process. For example, the claim is that there is no real money used for the mortgage process, yet part of the scam is to take advantage of what appears to be a clear title to a property to put another mortgage on the property and then take the money on the new mortgage. If there is no real money, how is it that Dorean expects to get money from the homeowner after the new loan? Money ends up in people's pockets when the process is finished. No way you can slice that mess that doesn't stink really badly. If the money doesn't exist, why does Dorean try to get a check from the new loan? Must be something there that they want, and it is money. Real money. Money at the expense of homeowners, clients, lenders, title companies and victims.

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "You can see from those code sections that there is NO way that Heineman/Johnson can qualify as trustee under the trust deed. No way for their "reconveyance" of the trust deed to be valid."

Remember, the lender by their conduct's acceptance of the Dorean bond by not returning the instrument back & silence of not answering the presentment, in effect agreed to appoint Scott as an "attorney in fact" or agent for the lender as per the terms of the presentment, which terms the lender never objected to in writing anywhere. This is the justification, implied consent & acceptance of the terms & authority for the deed of reconveyance being filed & signed off by Scott. If the dorean bond in effect, in fact paid off the deed of trust, it's the original trustees duty if not the substitutes trustees duty to discharge the lien. Maybe it could be argued that the original trustee is derelict in his trustee duties if you assume that the substitute trustee is not a legally recognizeable entity.

Since the trust deed is extinguished, there is no more need for anymore trustee duties, like "power of sale" & in effect for most if not all intents & purposes, from that point on, Scott is not acting as a substitute trustee anymore in regards to the deed of trust. Whether Scott is a legally recognized trustee is a moot point after that. It appears that only one act has been done as a substitute trustee. This one act was approved by the doctrine of "agency by estoppel" which is a legal theory that could be an exception to the Utah law.

However, the judgment against the lender is ONE ISSUE which is mutually exclusive from the OTHER ISSUE of whether the deed of reconveyance is valid or not.

Assuming the deed of reconveyance issue may be wrongfully deemed by a Court to be legally invalid, doesn't legally invalidate the validity of the judgment against the lender or it's power to be sold as an instrument offshore.

Mogel

Peanut Gallery said...

Utah,

Since you are in the title business you may be able to answer a question for me. I am not being flippant and really want a staight answer.
On a copy of my deed of trust I requested from the mortgage company there is an endorsment stamp under my signature that says,. Pay to the order of Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp. It is dated a few days after the dates on the deed of trust

mogel said...

Seen It in Utah: Money seems to be defined as whatever is acceptable in commerce, however, whatever is accepted in commerce, isn't necessarily "constitutional money" & we are suppose to follow the Constitution since it was set up by the inspiration of Almighty God himself as a protection for society as a whole. When we start to violate the will of God, we start to lose our financial & spiritual freedoms.

Federal Reserve notes or checks are just fine right now for payments of debts & are valuable to Doreanites as well as others & are sought by all, so I don't see the contradiction you are referring to, unless someone specifically demands gold or silver coin for payment, as a payment preference because they think the federal reserve note will fail sometime soon.

Having a payment preference or demand, might be a violation of congressional law though (HJR 192). However, HJR 192, seems to be a violation of the constitution set up by our forefathers.

If everyone followed the 10 Commandments perfectly, you probably wouldn't need all of this law that has been written by man & wouldn't have to worry about which laws are superior to others to follow, or you wouldn't have to pick & choose sometimes. Sometimes law violates one's conscience. It seems that man writes laws so he may exercise wrongful & unfair dominion over others & somehow justify his selfish behaviour.

I would prefer a society where lawyers & complex laws aren't needed to cover our butt from the litigant society we live in. The U.S. has more lawyers than any other country & we seem to think that sueing & Courts are the answer to our problems & for our redress. As a Country we have fogotten to settle our own problems man to man & have lost our personal accountability. We would rather have someone else solve our problems for us. I guess those people are called lawyers. They thrive on contention & division & problems created through ambiguous man made laws.

Mogel

dgwondering said...

Ooooooohhhhh....Mogel, right, it's the boogie man! The boogie man who makes money off the ignorant who fall for your scams.

mogel said...

Seen It in Utah said: "And, further, how Dorean talks out of both sides of its mouth regarding this process. For example, the claim is that there is no real money used for the mortgage process, yet part of the scam is to take advantage of what appears to be a clear title to a property to put another mortgage on the property and then take the money on the new mortgage."

The charge is that the lender CREATED money that didn't previously exist & the lender didn't really loan out their own assets which is what most borrowers believe they were suppose to get.

There are 3 assets involved in the lending process: (1) The promissory NOTE, (2) CREDITS created though the banks check, & (3) MORTGAGE on the property.

The problem with the lending process is that the lender ends up with 2 of the 3 assets created & risks none of it's own hard earned money.

When the lender gives out one asset (the check), to pay off the Seller, which was financially backed by the promissory note they got for free, the lender virtually has no real financial risk. It's a wash at this point, but they get a lien on the property for free. How is that fair or morally right or even legally right to be unjustly enriched with a net gain of 1 asset?

The lender completely ignores the "money value" of the promissory note & they don't ever want to discuss the fraud that goes on there & never provides full disclosure.

The irony is that the lender wants to enforce an agreement they never fulfilled.

No where is "vapor money" used in the Dorean vocabulary or presentment.

The refinance was only used by a few clients & isn't representative of how the process will work out to make clients whole for almost all clients.

Mogel

Ace said...

livinginxs, Yes you can hold these same truths with credit card debt. I have personal experience with that one. The company that can help you out with that one is DUEPROCESS.ORG. I did four credit cards with them and won three cases. I screwed up the paperwork on the first one and lost the case. I recommend this company to anyone who is drowning in credit card debt.

KYHOOYA said...

Hey Mogel
It seem that Seen it in Utah, Tcob247 and the rest of them are getting just what there after, INFO to use against the process later. I heard said some time back Kurt was tring to help get some grant deeds and as soon as they got wind they shut him down. from info here no dought, I'd take care what I said here, It may come back to haunt you. There are people on here up to no good! (Tcob247, Utah,Elmer,) dont let them goat you into there just searching.
Yacky

tcob247 said...

khooey

There you are
You conveniently ignored my offer on your challenge to me

Talk about cut and run

Remember your BIG talk??

Here is what you said. Quote

"GO GET A REAL JOB YOU FUCK OH BY THE WAY YOU WANT TO SEND THAT COPY OF YOUR CHECK THERE BIG GUY JUST LET ME KNOW i LET YOU THE E-MAIL TO DO JUST THAT LOVE TO SEE THIS MADE UP JOKE OTHER THAN THAT ALL OTHER COMENTS GO UN HEAR PLANT! "

Here is my response to you.

"Question for you
What are you doing about this
whole process?
Are you fighting for it?
What are you doing?
Going on talk shows?
Picketing the banks or the jail where Kurt is?
Writing the president to tell him how un-American he is?

Are you willing to go to jail for the process?

Tell us what you are doing oh mighty one.

Yes i have a real job
Post your e-mail
I will send a copy of my checks
Maybe then you will shut up
(I doubt it)"

Do you remember this???
Where are your answers to my questions and where is your e-mail address like you promised?

I guess you really are a loser

KYHOOYA said...

To: Tcob247 Hold on " bitchhh I just got a chance to SIT DOWN AND READ We all don't have all day to pick are ass & post, Pick are ass and post, Pick are ass and po... on here, You must of got realy excited when you saw my name with a post with your name in it, What a life you must have. You know spending all that money of your, Right $12,000 Ha! ha!ha!ha! $%^& Oh I'm sorry I could'nt help it. It must be HARD BEING ALL ALOANE HA! HA! GET IT A "LOAN" E WHAT A WASTE OF SPACE YOU MUST BE
or better yet!

(To "Crap" On Blog 24/7) or
(Tracking "Cop" On Blog 24/7)
or
("Turn Coat" On Blog 2,4,7)
and all the rest FUCK YOUUUU ..Oh I better fix my spelling because Elmer F and Tcob.. don't like it O! me! oh! my! your hUrting my feeling, Plz don't say THOSE MEAN THING'S any more... "
WHAT A BUNCH OF "KLACKING HEN'S", YOU CAN KISS MY ASS IF YOU THINK i GIVE A SHIT AND $2cents WHAT THE FUCK YOU SAY OR well I would say think but I'd say that not possable.
HEY DICK FOR BRAINS

d:^@*"cxzxxxzp

The Check Comment, It was a joke. You fucking dip shit! I told you not a smart idea to go around giving out info like that to someone you don't know. The only one that I can think of that would send a copy of his Pay Check and who's not going to worry that it might be a problem is got to be linked with the GOVERMENT like Justice dept FBI. Were do you find the time to post all day long you must think this is some kind of TV Soap or somthing you fucking Goverment Plant and if I didn't say it already FUCK OFF YOU PIECE OF SHIT!

tO: Elmer F it seems it was clear enought fo0r you to comment on, wasn't it? Posting on here and taking anymore time to spell check or sentance structor for the likes of you and your's YEH RIGHT AND SO YOU KAN KAN GO FUCK YOUR SELF BITCH!..
WHY DON'T YOU AND TCOB..

(TAKING COCK OUT BACK24-7)

GET A ROOM AND FUCK EACH OTHER YOU LITTLE BITCH SCHOOL TEACHER. YOU NO WHAT? THE TIME COMES WHEN I NEED OR WANT YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR FUCKING CORRECTIONS ,i'LL SQUEZZZZZ THAT LITTLE PIN HEAD OF YO U R'S ALRIGHTTT TWITT, SO FUCK OFF! YHEA BACK WOOD'S i BET YOU KNOW ALOT ABOUT THOSE BACK WOOD'S DON'T YOU ELMER .. I BET THAT'S WERE YOUR DADDY USED TOO TAKE YOU AQNDS MAKE YOU SUCK HIS DICK JUST BEFORE HE FUCK YOU UP THE ASS Isn't that right Elmer? Oh but not before he graded you school work if you did good he'd give you that extra and cum in your mouth. just how you liked it all bet you got a;ll AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++'s didn't you bitch. WHAT A FUCKING so have at it spell check your brains out and think of all those old time's you and Dad had back in them there woods

and again FUCK YOU TOO
TCOP..TCOP2.TCOP24..TCOP.. 24/7.... AND ALL THE OTHER COPS OUT THERE TOO
YACKY

KYHOOYA said...

Justice7777777 said...
Fortune cookie say: Walk wild side while ranibow digs hole one cannot see.

Kurts lucky lotto picks:2,12,34,3,7

DUDE THANKS FOR THE NUMBERS I played them yesterday and I FUcking won I can't beleave it $50,000 I've never won anything in my life I still can't beleave it! I just had to tell you Thanks again
Yacky

Peanut Gallery said...

Come on Utah. Since you are so demanding of having questions answered, answer mine. I'll throw it out to neo or anyone who would like to respond.
I am not being flippant and really want a staight answer.
On a copy of my deed of trust I requested from the mortgage company there is an endorsment stamp under my signature that says,. Pay to the order of Chase Manhattan Mortgage Corp. It is dated a few days after the dates on the deed of trust

tcob247 said...

KHOOEY

Thanks for making my point!

LOL

country_curios said...

Mogel: I was wondering about some comments you made on Kurt being a "substitute trustee". According to the trust documents I saw, Kurt and Scott are THE only trustees. I was just wondering what I had missed.

The trust documents I saw have Kurt and Scott as trustees of an "irrevocable" trust, that is in effect for 20 years.

How is Kurt not the trustee after the deed of trust is elimated.

Seen it in Utah said...

Peanut Gallery: No one is avoiding you...we are just busy. The endorsement on your note indicates that your loan was sold or transferred to another lender. It is virtually the same as endorsing a check to a third party.

And this is a good way to illustrate another flaw in the Dorean thinking. You see, the originating lender may indeed have a mortgage or a trust deed with the originating lender as benficiary or mortgagee. However, when the loan is sold or transferred to the lender that is either the lender that is buying the loan, then there is an assignment of mortgage or assignment of trust deed making the property the collateral for the lender who owns the note. In other words, the lender who has actually funded the loan is the one who has the property for collateral.

complainers suck said...

ace said.....
The company that can help you out with that one is DUEPROCESS.ORG.

I advise anyone interested in this company to do their research on John Gliha, the founder. He is scam artist, pure and simple. He took in a ton of money and left a whole bunch of people with judgments. He even had a yahoo group with ex-clients supporting each other taken down. What a guy?

tcob247 said...

Boy this industry (mortgage elimination) is sure full of some nice people
Strange but I havent heard yet of a successful one
Just lots of people who got ripped off and lost their houses

freedom fighter said...

I have ben praying 4 u Kurt and as I was reading my bible today I came upon Acts 17:5-9 and 18:12-16 Paul has many trials like yourself by judges who were bribed and dishonest! Keep the faith and keep your eyes on the REAL prize :)

acenothing said...

Looks like our convict Kurt may have his hands full, and most likely his mouth full with his new lover Bubba

Why no posting since the 18th?

Peanut Gallery said...

Thanks utah,

My loan was originated directly with Chase, so they purchased the contract from themselves?

Elmer Fudd said...

KYHOOYA said...
To: Tcob247 Hold on " bitchhh I just got a chance to SIT DOWN AND READ We all don't have all day to pick are ass & post, Pick are ass and post, Pick are ass and po... on here, You must of got realy excited when you saw my name with a post with your name in it, What a life you must have. You know spending all that money of your, Right $12,000 Ha! ha!ha!ha! $%^& Oh I'm sorry I could'nt help it. It must be HARD BEING ALL ALOANE HA! HA! GET IT A "LOAN" E WHAT A WASTE OF SPACE YOU MUST BE
or better yet!

(To "Crap" On Blog 24/7) or
(Tracking "Cop" On Blog 24/7)
or
("Turn Coat" On Blog 2,4,7)
and all the rest FUCK YOUUUU ..Oh I better fix my spelling because Elmer F and Tcob.. don't like it O! me! oh! my! your hUrting my feeling, Plz don't say THOSE MEAN THING'S any more... "
WHAT A BUNCH OF "KLACKING HEN'S", YOU CAN KISS MY ASS IF YOU THINK i GIVE A SHIT AND $2cents WHAT THE FUCK YOU SAY OR well I would say think but I'd say that not possable.
HEY DICK FOR BRAINS

d:^@*"cxzxxxzp

The Check Comment, It was a joke. You fucking dip shit! I told you not a smart idea to go around giving out info like that to someone you don't know. The only one that I can think of that would send a copy of his Pay Check and who's not going to worry that it might be a problem is got to be linked with the GOVERMENT like Justice dept FBI. Were do you find the time to post all day long you must think this is some kind of TV Soap or somthing you fucking Goverment Plant and if I didn't say it already FUCK OFF YOU PIECE OF SHIT!

tO: Elmer F it seems it was clear enought fo0r you to comment on, wasn't it? Posting on here and taking anymore time to spell check or sentance structor for the likes of you and your's YEH RIGHT AND SO YOU KAN KAN GO FUCK YOUR SELF BITCH!..
WHY DON'T YOU AND TCOB..

(TAKING COCK OUT BACK24-7)

GET A ROOM AND FUCK EACH OTHER YOU LITTLE BITCH SCHOOL TEACHER. YOU NO WHAT? THE TIME COMES WHEN I NEED OR WANT YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR FUCKING CORRECTIONS ,i'LL SQUEZZZZZ THAT LITTLE PIN HEAD OF YO U R'S ALRIGHTTT TWITT, SO FUCK OFF! YHEA BACK WOOD'S i BET YOU KNOW ALOT ABOUT THOSE BACK WOOD'S DON'T YOU ELMER .. I BET THAT'S WERE YOUR DADDY USED TOO TAKE YOU AQNDS MAKE YOU SUCK HIS DICK JUST BEFORE HE FUCK YOU UP THE ASS Isn't that right Elmer? Oh but not before he graded you school work if you did good he'd give you that extra and cum in your mouth. just how you liked it all bet you got a;ll AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++'s didn't you bitch. WHAT A FUCKING so have at it spell check your brains out and think of all those old time's you and Dad had back in them there woods

and again FUCK YOU TOO
TCOP..TCOP2.TCOP24..TCOP.. 24/7.... AND ALL THE OTHER COPS OUT THERE TOO
YACKY

6:15 AM

Too busy to answer Tcob's Question Keyholey? What are you doing? Or don't answer that, i feel sorry for your goats..:P Keyholey what kinda house do you own? And i'm not talking about an outhouse either, but i wouldn't put it past you living in one of those. At least it's shelter for ya, but shitting where you sleep and eat must be rough huh einstein. Yeeee Haaaawwww round em up round em up RAWHIDE "hears crack of the whip"....Hey keyholey are you and Clueless lovers? is he hairy enough to take the place of one of your goats? :P

mogel said...

Country Curious said: "How is Kurt NOT the trustee after the deed of trust is eliminated."

I would say yes, Kurt, is the trustee STILL even after the deed of trust is eliminated, as long as the trustor hasn't replaced him.

Only in the lender's view is Kurt & Scott NOT legal trustees of your trust or substitute trustees of record that CAN discharge your mortgage lien & record this reconveyance. "Seen it In Utah" has alleged that Scott & Kurt CAN'T ACT as trustees of record or that neither can be a substitute trustee or replacement trustee on your deed of trust in the State of Utah, because they allegedly don't fit the Utah law regulations to become a legal trustee of record.

The issue is whether the deed of trustee was in fact legally eliminated & if Scott had the authority to sign as a replacement trustee for the lender according to the laws in the State of Utah.

There seems to be questions in some peoples minds that the deed of trust may not be legally dischaged.

Mogel

sd said...

Hey Ace,
You said,
"Why no posting since the 18th?"

Maybe he has quit?
That's it, I bet Kurt has given up.
After all, he really had no reason to keep fighting. No one like you has any faith in him. None of the naysayers believe that he is really right about the corruption in the system and afterall, his fight has only been to hoodwink you out of your money.

It's all been a con.

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU AND TCOB AND SEEN IT IN UTAH WANT TO HEAR?

Maybe you have gotten your wish and he quit and is now pleading with the officials to let him out of jail.

Yea, I bet that's what happened.

Or.... Maybe it's just computer problems?

Which would you think.
Or do you THINK?

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "The endorsement on your note indicates that your loan was sold or transferred to another lender. It is virtually the same as endorsing a check to a third party."

That is correct. And once endorsed, it can be banked JUST like a check too & HAS MONETARY VALUE, only you didn't get a receipt for your deposit to prove that the lender owes you the borrower.

There you have it, testimony that the lender created value from your promissory note & illegally converted it from a "promise to pay" into a "negotiable instrument" that can be sold for the equivalent of cash, all done without your authorization & without any financial benefit to you. This is how monies are created that didn't previously exist & how lenders don't take the financial risk you think they are suppose to do.

Just like in my previous example, the original lender ends up with 1 net asset for free in this process. That isn't lending. The lending process just amounts to trickery & theft on the part of the lender.

You've got the user (original lender) & the usee (borrower) & the party receiving the assignment of the stolen asset (new lender).

Mogel

tcob247 said...

Happy Thanksgiving everyone

mogel said...

Peanut Gallery said: "My loan was originated directly with Chase, so they purchased the contract from themselves".

Sometimes lenders set up subsidiary corporations of the parent company that buy these things but they are all related to the parent company.

I had a credit card company that assigned the written off debt to a collection agency, although the assignee was solely owned by the original credit card company, and this debt collection company purposely had an unrecognizeable different name.

When I challenged the debt, & who owned the debt & proof of that, the assigee immediately released their demands for payments & put that in writing to me. I still have the letter & the collection agency also removed the derogatory item off my credit file just as fast.

Mogel

Peanut Gallery said...

BTW utah,
They endorsed three times on three different dates. Yeah your arguement sounds good to me.

mogel said...

I was listening to the news a few days ago and a major credit card company had sent a 2 year old a preapproval for a credit card even though of course, their own agreements say you must be 18 years old to sign the agreement.

The mother is still getting preapproved credit cards in the mail for her 2 year old and is wondering where the credit card companies are getting the name and address of her child. Furious, she called the service department of one company, only to get no real answers why a 2 year old is getting an offer of a preapproved credit card.

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "You can see from those code sections that there is NO way that Heineman/Johnson can qualify as trustee under the trust deed. No way for their "reconveyance" of the trust deed to be valid."

I think you would agree that a person can wear many hats. What if Scott WASN'T acting as a trustee when he signed the deed of reconveyance? What if Scott was ONLY acting as an attorney in fact for the bank, the entity (original lender) that already is recognized as a legal trustee? In that scenario the deed of reconveyance IS valid. In that scenario,and wearing that specific hat, how am I suggesting that I ignore some State laws over other laws? So now the question is, did Scott have a valid attorney in fact to represent the lender? There certainly is no written objection on record anywhere prior to this act & the terms of the presentment was accepted, so I would say the attorney in fact is valid and agreed to. It appears the alleged charge of an unauthorized act of a trustee has no merit then under that logic.

Was there any other acts done, as Scott acting as a trustee in the State of Utah? If not, where is the violation of Utah State law?

Wasn't Scott appointed as a trustee by the borrower prior to all of this? Seen It in Utah, are you suggesting that Utah law interferes with previously existing contracts & has that right? Isn't that a violation of the constitution to interfere with our unalienable right to contract? Doesn't a violation of the constitution trump State Law? Didn't we fight a Civil War to determine that the Federal Laws are superior to State laws? Must we fight another War to determine this & are you suggesting this? Does the Country need more bloodshed?

Mogel

txtrust said...

Hi- does anyone know how i may be able to get my huose out of this trust and assigned back to me? i need to refinance asap to assist family and i am not getting answers. i appreciate anyones help..thanks.

getmeoffthisride said...

Mogel, please help this person and answer.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!

mogel said...

To: Seen It in Utah:

Besides the municipal laws for federal territory like the District of Columbia, the Constitution specifies three other types of law: Common Law, Equity Law, and Admiralty Law.
Common Law is criminal law. Equity Law deals with written contracts and is civil law. Admiralty Law deals with international contracts and has both criminal and civil penalties.

A cursory review of the Uniform Commercial Code proves that it was codified to replace the Negotiable Instrument Laws. Further research reveals that the Negotiable Instrument Laws have their foundation in the jurisdiction of Admiralty Law (Maritime Law -- law of the sea), and, the U.C.C. has come to be known in law as the substantive common law. (Bank v. Moore, 201 Ala. 411, 78 So. 789) This substantive common law HAS ALSO BEEN DIRECTLY TIED TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE LAW MERCHANT [International Law]. (Miller v. Miller, 296 SW.2d 648).

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