Tuesday, November 15, 2005

What Effect

I saw some comment concerning the effects of our success. First off, I want to make it clear I am not one of those Christians who view the US as evil and our banking system as one that will collapse. I believe our success will clean up excessive greed and return a little prosperity back to the people. Ultimately, even if a full blown scandal (doubtful) should appear, we have a spin-happy congress that can minimize quickly. My only goal is to make it right for my clients and then hope we made enough noise to be heard. If they fix the industry quietly why should I be disappointed? Change is a hard thing to accomplish in a tyranny and a victory for certain. Revolution is the fancy of too few and the vast populace lives in the Matrix unaware they are the funding source of a machine that doesn’t exist in their controlled imagination. Principles and reason justify economic implosion but there are many other factors on a global scale to incorporate in an accurate equation. God of course has timing dictates that must be understood. That is an entirely different blog. Let’s not be too grandiose getting our houses back and a little economic freedom should be our expectation. Anything else is a benefit to those who didn’t enter the battle.

42 comments:

WillToFight said...

That has always been understood!

Thanks Kurt

Tony Tuba said...

What Effect? The Fixx?

fixerone said...

Scott, I have filled the first set of paperwork with Dorean and was sent a second set with my quitclaim deed and other stuff, but never got an acknowledgement that it was received...never got a reply from anyone. I know I spent $5,700 and still have a mortgage. I'm not even sure where I'm at in any process. Been tough being out of work and could have used the money or some mortgage relief. What should be my next move?

Tony Tuba said...

Chuck Spielman reporting.

THE SWAMI HAS BEEN FOUND! Story at eleven.

Chuck Spielman reporting.

tcob247 said...

KURT
They_and_or_Them
whataboutjere
mogel
Gforce
Peanut Gallery
habakkuk
WillToFight
sonofprophet


I understand that you feel I am a waste of time to talk to

How about this
Let em hear you respond to fixerone

Just to refresh your memory

"Scott, I have filled the first set of paperwork with Dorean and was sent a second set with my quitclaim deed and other stuff, but never got an acknowledgement that it was received...never got a reply from anyone. I know I spent $5,700 and still have a mortgage. I'm not even sure where I'm at in any process. Been tough being out of work and could have used the money or some mortgage relief. What should be my next move? "

Nobody has responded to him yet.
WHY NOT?

Kurt you flap your lips all the time about nothing, How do you respond to this guy?
Will you address him directly?
There are tons more like him

whataboutjere said...

Fixerone, I cannot provide you with the answers you are looking for other than send an email to this address to see if they can provide you with some help.

orphanpnu@yahoo.com

Seen it in Utah said...

Hey, tcob,

Have you gotten the refund that Kurt promised/threatened you with weeks ago?

son of a prophet said...

...from URBANSURVIVL.COM




Where's the Contract?

I've been corresponding with a reader who has a common problem - tons of bank card debt and threats to take his family to Court to settle the matter. Being a bright fellow, and quite well versed on contract law, torts, and such, he's planning to argue that

>>>>he (and his family) have no contract with the several credit card companies<<<<<


that was their pound of flesh plus the 20%+ interest. He's planning to argue (in a local court in his county) that there's no contract because under contract law, there must be a signed person's name on the other side. Naturally, we expect the credit card folks to argue that if the credit extended was used, there's an mplied contract. But, says this fellow, if there was, then how is it that credit card companies can get away with unilaterally changing the interest rate. In response to this, he will claim that when the rates were changed without his approval, that was a breach and the contract was invalidated. Then, to make matters more challenging for the banks, he is also planning to demand that they provide evidence that when he paid off one of his cards that the bank involved destroyed the money that was created in his name by the bank.

Peanut Gallery said...

fixerone,

you stated that you sent in first set of paperwork. When was that? The TRO has been in place for several months, preventing Dorean from proceeding.
Why are you asking Kurt? You should be contacting your agent or your broker.Unless you went directly through Kurt. If you did why did you pay $5,700.00.
TCOB you should know that at this point because of the TRO, Kurt can not legally answer any of these questions, especially on an open forum such as this.
There are several aspects of fixerone's post that leave me suspect

livinginxs said...

an interesting article on the Fed -

http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2004_10/woolsey-fed.html

Tony Tuba said...

The Dorean Group

I write this message in light of some recent events concerning the Dorean
Group, a Mortgage/Debt Elimination company/trust. I have been asked whether
we, The People vs. The Banks have any connection with this group or whether
we are familiar with how their debt elimination process works.

First, let me answer the first question: Do we have any connection with the
Dorean Group? The quick answer to this question is no. The People vs. The
Banks have no connection with the Dorean Group or any of its principals in
any way shape or form, nor do we know anyone who is a member of that group.

The second question, whether we know how the Dorean Group program works, the
answer is yes. Their debt elimination program is founded on the same
principles as our class action suits are based on - that the banks have no
justifiable, beneficial interest in any loan transaction based on the fact
that the banks never provided any value to the transaction; the value is
provided by the borrower by way of his/her signature on the application
form, promissory note or commercial paper. We all know that the note signed
by the borrower is accepted by the bank who then deposits the note in their
own account as "their own asset" in accordance with GAAP (Generally Accepted
Accounting Principle). Note however that according to GAAP, that asset which
they deposit in their account was "borrowed" from us and recorded on the
private side of the account as money owed to us by the bank.

This piece of paper that we have created by virtue of our own signature is
then "transferred" to a trust without our permission or disclosure to us by
the bank. This "money" (our money) is then pooled along with many other
notes (more money) and then converted into asset-backed securities and other
derivatives. Mortgages are converted into mortgage-backed securities, etc.

That "money" is ours; we created it by virtue of our own signatures. The
banks have a fiduciary duty as trustees to keep that money for us. That
money is our bond, it cannot be lawfully transferred, collateralized or
sold, but the banks violate the law by converting the funds for their own
use by selling, transferring and collateralizing our notes, or money which
never belonged to them in the first place. In analogy, how would you feel if
you lend your car to a friend and this friend then converts your car into a
taxi and makes money using your car without telling you anything about it?
And how would you feel that while he was making money using your car as a
taxi, he was charging you for parking your car in his driveway?

But this is how the banks are defrauding us and therefore once we Notice
them of their fraud, our "debts" must be discharged. It doesn't matter what
happened to our notes, I'm sure you'll hear all sorts of ridiculous excuses
from bank employees, bill collectors and even lawyers (Heaven help those
lawyers who are knowingly doing this), who might claim the notes have been
lost destroyed or missing so all they have are photocopies, without our
notes being in their possession, our debts, the very thing that are backed
up by our notes must be discharged. If they do not have the true bill, then
they do not have the truth that we owe them anything. So why are these banks
still collecting payments and criminal interests from us after they have for
any reason no longer have possession of our notes? The obvious answer to
that is because we are idiots, too stupid to know because we have been
conditioned to trust them and they have betrayed our trust.

Thus, the debt must be discharged; we do not have any further obligation to
the banks. So we now want to be reimbursed for the notes that have been
stolen from us by the banks. But that is where the commonality of our claims
ends because Dorean and the debt elimination groups advertise that they have
been successful in canceling mortgage debts for a fee. They charge a certain
fee per individual client. Ours is a class action suit but we do not charge
anyone any fee.

Dorean starts their "administrative process" a method that has existed for
many years and is common to all debt elimination plans. They start with what
is called a presentment designed to probe whether or not the bank is in
possession of any verifiable documents such as contracts, agreements,
applications, promissory notes to substantiate the banks' claims against the
mortgagor/borrower. Dorean usually gives the banks ten days to provide the
borrower with full disclosure and production all original or certified
copies of promissory notes (front and back of notes) with all the
endorsements as well as the accounting general ledger from the bank as
audited by a licensed accountant. In retrospect, this is what we do during
the discovery process regarding civil claims.

What Dorean does is they create a trust with the mortgagor/borrower as
trustor (settlor) and Dorean becomes the trustee who then makes the
presentment to the mortgagee/lender who is given 10 days to respond to the
presentment. The lenders' failure to is deemed acquiescence on the part of
the lender that they do not have any valid claim. Included with the
presentment is bond drawn in the name of the lender by the trustee (in
accordance with UCC). The trust document also transfers all rights of the
mortgagor/borrower to the trustee (Dorean), which gives the trustee all the
rights and the power to discharge all the liens because the banks failed to
object within the allowed time, which is 10 days. After discharging the
liens, Dorean reconveys clear title back to the mortgagor/borrower who then
gets a new mortgage with Dorean receiving 50% of the proceeds for all the
work they have done.

Dorean takes advantage of the fact that the banks will not (and cannot)
answer the presentment in time because they can't produce any of the
required documents to prove their claim. The presentment is time-sensitive,
expiring after 10 days which then results in administrative judgment which
can then be filed in court where this process is recognize or accepted.

The trustee (Dorean) then files for reconveyance of title or discharge and
satisfaction of the underlying mortgage. After 10 days, the banks are also
precluded by estoppel by conduct from attempting to bring an action against
the mortgagor/borrower. The banks are bound by contract law (UCC) based on
the wordings on the terms and conditions of the presentment which states
that the banks agree not to trespass against the borrower or they agree to
pay 10 times the amount of the mortgage amount as damages. Dorean also slaps
a commercial lien against the banks for any attempted trespass, such as
going to court after being proven that they do not have a valid claim.
Dorean also has the option of selling the "judgments" to buyers who normally
buys these type of receivables.

To cover their tail, Dorean uses a replevin bond backed by a $120 million
line of credit. This bond is further backed by First Mutual Trust, a Swiss
company purported to have been established in 1918 with assets of over $800
million. The bond is a type of subrogation bond designed to act as an
insurance policy if by some fluke the banks happen to be able to produce an
unwanted miracle, the production of all the required documents within 10
days. Dorean's presentments are bonded to protect the trustee. A bond like
this guarantees that the lender will receive twice the amount of the
mortgage amount in case Dorean is wrong about his claim against the bank.

The reader might ask, what is wrong with all the above? Dorean did not do
anything illegal, are these folks (we are not going to mention names even
though they are available through the internet) in jail, charged with
multiple counts of fraud? What went wrong?

Well it's not in my nature to be judgmental. I even said to some folks these
guys deserve to be in jail if they are culpable or found guilty beyond
reasonable doubt. Whether this is true or not, some folks say they got too
greedy.

After Dorean got default judgments against the banks and discharged the
debt/mortgage and reconveyed the property back to the owners, Dorean told
the owners to re-mortgage the same properties whereby Dorean received up to
50% of the proceeds of the new mortgage. Dorean calls this a 50% free will
offering. The rest of the cash went to the borrowers. Still nothing wrong
you say? There is, when they tried to repeat the same process more than once
with the knowledge the unsuspecting bank/lender will create digital money
and then sell or transfer the promissory notes. What makes this thing
questionable is that Dorean's bond they claim to be backed by First Mutual
Trust with assets of more than $800 million. First Mutual Trust turns out to
be a small flower shop in Switzerland. Nothing wrong with a flower shop
having $800 million in assets, who knows? Perhaps they also owned the flower
garden where all the flowers came from.

The Dorean case can affect us in a positive way; or it could also affect us
in a bad way. It's bad for us because the banks' lawyers can and may use the
bad publicity against us and use the bad things Dorean did to discredit our
cause, the defence lawyers are good for that. The people are also asking
questions which prompted me to write this message. Some folks think we are
part of the same movement - fruits of the same tree. The difference between
us and Dorean is that we are all victims here. All of us have lost something
or been deceived by the banks into thinking they loaned us anything when the
truth is, they loaned us nothing. With Dorean, they came in as 3rd party, to
help the people like us to discharge their loans and then get new loans
which are designed to give Dorean huge profits.

Our goal is to stop the banks - enough is enough, we are not here as a
business for the purpose of making money. We are here to demand compensation
for the assets that have been stolen from us by the banks; to discharge our
debts altogether and never again go into debt using the same evil, unethical
and illegal process.

I think Dorean is being punished not because it was successful in helping
people to cancel and annul their debts; Dorean is being punished for
unjustly enriching themselves by participating in the very same scam they
claimed is wrong and illegal.

The good things that could come out of this is the fact that when the Dorean
case goes to trial, the banks could be forced by Dorean to reveal all the
hidden truths - that they are fraudulent themselves, that the banks do not
have clean hands, that they indeed create money out of nothing and charge
criminal interest rates on the illegally created money; that they sell our
promissory notes and convert these instruments into asset-backed securities.
That we really do not owe the banks anything, it is the other way around. By
the banks' intention to use the Dorean Group as an example, they may have
lit up the fuse to a bomb that could explode into their faces.

The Dorean case could be the thing that will open Pandora's Box that will
help our case. What a blessing this could be for The People. John-Ruiz:
Dempsey

livinginxs said...

please review this and let me know what you think.


http://www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm

tcob247 said...

Seen it in Utah said...
Hey, tcob,

Have you gotten the refund that Kurt promised/threatened you with weeks ago?

Answer
No I have not
By the way, I am not holding my breath

thesurfman said...

Luckily I was able to get my quick claim deed back into my name and get out of the Family Trust (not that I am against a trust) but I don't like the idea of the Trustees (Scott and Kurt) having control over my assets.
I am writing this blog because of the last email from "Dr" Fred. He seem to be stating something about atm cards and setting our banking up (in the trust) to "secure the funds" from the settlement(?).
Does anyone know about "Collateral Estoppels? (spelling). Pardon my ignorance.
I am not going to put my quickclaim and trust (no longer exists) back into there hands. I read the article about Dr Fred being incarcerated for over 7 years along with his son.
Are any of you believers (Doreanittes) concerned about this information?
It seems there last venture (scam)had to do with investments over seas.

I would be interested in hearing the people on this boards comments.

Dr.F(r)ed_Up said...
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Dr.F(r)ed_Up said...

Treat Dr. Fred like the plague. He is now working with Li(e)-Bo, and the judgments are nowhere near the stage of being paid out, as
Li(e)-Bo has been claiming for months.. I'm sure someone in Li(e)-Bo is involved with this "banking and ATM" cards.

tcob247 said...

surfman

You have every right to be wary

Congrats on getting your Quit Claim

I was able to do the same

I was a fool to hand over the keys to my house to Kurt and Scott

Lesson learned

Elmer Fudd said...

thesurfman said...
Luckily I was able to get my quick claim deed back into my name and get out of the Family Trust (not that I am against a trust) but I don't like the idea of the Trustees (Scott and Kurt) having control over my assets.
I am writing this blog because of the last email from "Dr" Fred. He seem to be stating something about atm cards and setting our banking up (in the trust) to "secure the funds" from the settlement(?).
Does anyone know about "Collateral Estoppels? (spelling). Pardon my ignorance.
I am not going to put my quickclaim and trust (no longer exists) back into there hands. I read the article about Dr Fred being incarcerated for over 7 years along with his son.
Are any of you believers (Doreanittes) concerned about this information?
It seems there last venture (scam)had to do with investments over seas.

I would be interested in hearing the people on this boards comments.

Like Father Like Son....Run away as fast as you can..Like a leopard a Scam Artist never will change his spots and Kurt had a very good teacher.

mogel said...

Mr. Dempsey: Your analysis of the Dorean Process is for the most part good, but you are wrong on this conclusion:

"First Mutual Trust turns out to be a small flower shop in Switzerland."

If the trust company is not a company with real assets, then the assets of the company or the letter of credit backing these bonds, sent out in each presentment are by your logic, also bogus which means that the Dorean Group issued fake bonds for each client, which would be a serious offense. Are you willing to go there & state such because that is what you are inferring by your misinformed conclusions.
The address where a company is listed as a legal entity, is not the company itself. For example if I open up an IBC (International Business Corporation) in Panama let's say, as my home address & use a certain address for this company, doesn't mean that this address is the company itself. I could have many offices throughout the world & my assets can be held in many different businesses or locations. Is this not a true or possible assessment?

Also your conclusion that the Dorean Group unjustly enriched itself by doing refinances is a legal conclusion that you prematurely made with no facts in law to substantiate that. Ask yourself: What conduct of the Dorean Group or the Dorean client caused the bad behaviour of the lender, the bad behaviour of the lender being stealing the promissory note or unjustly enriching themeselves & not filling the substance of the original agreement? Also ask yourself, how can any Court penalize or punish any Dorean Principal or Dorean client by some ruling, if they don't also punish all lenders at the same time for participation in ANY loan from the very beginning of time? Isn't this a catch 22? Do you really believe that a Court anywhere in reference to this process, is going to say that either party came to Court with "unclean hands" trying to enforce their remedy because the lending process is a scam on it's face?

Mogel

imbigo said...

Very good mogel...

But I'm afraid that know matter what you say or how you explain this process those who are against it will find a way to discredit anything you say.

p.s. tcob I felt left out of your role call on the fifth post!!! LOL

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

Judge Roy Bean said...

How many of these nutballs are going to have to be put in jail before people start realizing they're selling snake oil? It's not bad enough to have people constantly lose in court following this nonsense, now the proponents of this nonsense want even more people to suffer.

Dempsy's no smarter than the idiot Swanson with their name games and utterly falacious arguments that the courts have hammered into the ground over and over.

It's a scam people. The fancy words and mythological legalese don't fly in the real world. It's simply something to lure ignorant people into. It feeds the promoter's hyper-inflated egos and their bank accounts.

The movement is nothing more than a collection of self-agrandizing alleged experts with crackpot theories and a huge dose of good-old-fashioned conspiracy mongering aimed at getting people to buy the supposed secret path to wealth and happiness by overcoming their enemies in the financial industry.

Unfortunately, along with their sympathetic minions, they lure otherwise decent people who have been wronged by the crooks into taking these arguments into court and losing every shred of credibility they might have had.

It's a trap, people. A dangerous, insidious and for-profit lure that preys on people who believe legal gibberish in the hopes they'll find an answer to their problems.

The earth is indeed, flat; men have walked on the moon; the IRS is a powerful foe but it is part of the Department of the Treasury and you do have to pay taxes; lawyers aren't British royalty; banks originate loans as opposed to lending you their money.

Eventually, people get prosecuted and sometimes go to jail for scams, even some of those who try to say they were scammed.

If you actually believe in the kind of BS Dempsey, Johnson, Mogel and his ilk keep trying to promote, you deserve whatever the legal system does to you. There is plenty of real-world evidence of their idiocy both on and off the Internet.

And it's really making it hard to defend people who have legitimate claims against the lending industry who get lured into the legal lunacy and think they'll be able to tell the lender to stick it.

Then they wonder why they're being evicted or their car is towed away.

Seen it in Utah said...

Over the last several months Ihave pointed out time and time again--the "collateral estoppel" that has been referred to is just another show of emptiness and ignorance. Collateral estoppel is a term of legal art that means nothing more than an issue that has already been litigated and determined. In other words, collateral estoppel merely prevents a party in court from litigating the same issue over and over again after it has been decided. If anyone here expects "collateral estoppel" to result in money for them, then they will be disappointed.

It was pointed out to me by one of the Doreanites in this blog that the money going to the clients was to be collected from an "administrative judgment with apostille". I asked repeaatedly where this administrative judgment was taken, and by what administrative court. No one ever answered that questions.

Folks, if you are expecting money from this "administrative judgment", you better not hold your breath. It sounds like another round of smoke being blown up people's skirts.

Show me the judgment. If it exists, it can be verified. Otherwise it is nothing but hot air. Betcha five bucks that this judgment is nothing enforceable.

Furthermore--the "bond" referred to earlier--it is a worthless piece of paper. I know this for a fact. I know that research was done to use the bond for actual collateral. It is smoke and mirrors. It is nothing but a fraudulent piece of paper. No one in their right mind would use this bond for useful collateral. well, I suppose it is worth its weight in recycling. I have seen this "bond". A worthless piece of junk.

Clueless Fudd said...

Oh brother, it's this fucking idiot Squire Roy Bean.

Hey bean-head, what's the difference between a BOE and Private International Administrative Remedy?

It seems you don't have a clue according to the boys at Sui Juris.

Peanut Gallery said...

O.K O.K. O.K. JRB utah fudd tcob etal, It's a scam a farce we all got duped and Scott, Kurt , and Dr. Fred are bound for the graybar hotel. At this point why do you care to still post on this blog? You can't save any of us mindless idiots so leave us the heck alone.

mogel said...

Seen it in Utah: Are UCC-1 liens filed at the Secretary of State for millions & millions of dollars against many lending institutions & banks in CA also junk in your mind? I think even you could figure out how to look that up even on your own, through a name search, but maybe I'm asking too much there. Don't you think a sophisticated international investor/buyer might believe that these UCC-1 financing statements are based upon legitimacy & truth & might be interested in buying at a discount the "negotiable paper" that resulted from following the regulations of the Uniform Commercial Code, and that this same Code legally justifies the filing of those legitimate UCC-1 liens?

Do you think that going to Court is the only remedy you might have to an injustice? Don't limit your thinking to only that Judgments signed by a Black Robe Judge(judicial or administrative)is the only thing that can be sold for value or cash. Do you think a mechanics lien due to a contractor not getting paid for work done can be enforced & eventually this contractor knows he'll get paid? A mechanics lien is not signed by a Judge, is it not, but this paper/lien that is filed still has value & assignment rights & enforceability, does it not? You say you own a Title company. Do you also IGNORE mechanic liens when a Title search is done? Of course you ignore them, because you are a consistent & rationale thinker that has definite proof that the Dorean bond is bogus & you submitted that irrefutable proof to all of us here, did you not?

Your problem is that you have tunnel vision & you can't see the full picture because your mind has been poisioned with too much drinking of kool-aid & you are hanging out with the wrong people that tell you lies at Title company meetings talking about ridiculous statistics & the like that don't know any more than you do. Course maybe you live in the same parallel universe that Judge Roy Bean lives in & who has nothing better to do than to use labels & call people names and present no more evidence than you do.

Mogel

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "Betcha five bucks that this judgment is nothing enforceable."

Those "Utah high rollers" really amaze me with the great risks they are willing to take to back up their arguments. Five bucks. Wow!!!!!

You don't have my attention yet with only five bucks at risk. :o)

Why don't you try again with a more enticing bet. How about a controlling ownership interest in your Title company at risk? Come on, be a real man. Make your State proud of you.

Mogel

Gforce said...

Woe to you rich people, weep aloud for the miseries that are SURELY coming upon you...you have heaped together treasure for the last days...here are the wages you have withheld by FRAUD from the laborers who reaped your fields, crying out for vengeance; and the cries of the harvesters have come to the ears of the Lord...you have fattened your hearts for the day of slaughter...you have condemned and murdered the innocent man while he offers no resistance to you.James 5----....to the wicked, God gives the task of gathering and heaping up(wealth), that he may give to one who pleases God.Ecc2:26--------With every mortgage payment paid, it is eventually more wealth in the hands of the righteous!!

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What Effect

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whataboutjere said...

Dr.Fred Up said...
Treat Dr. Fred like the plague. He is now working with Lie Bo, and the judgments are nowhere near the stage of being paid out...

Who are you and from what authority do you make this claim?

WillToFight said...

Who the hell is Li Bo, anyway.

Yeah I've seen where ole JRB, neodomenes have been taken apart on the Sui Juris site for acting like they know something!

Leave these plants/spys alone folks! We have too much evidence on our side. UCC/H.J.R.192/TILA etc. etc.

Their angry we know the truth. We will no longer be slaves.

Sui Juris/Dorean = the good fight!

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habakkuk said...

Peanut Gallery,
I totally agree. We are not going to convert them and they aint going to convert us....so why do any of us bother. Like i keep saying...lets just wait and see what the results are.

Seen it in Utah said...

Mogel: Well, tell you what. Post a copy (or a link to a copy) of this judgment. let's find out for everyone here if you can put your money where your mouth is. If you have the guts, post it, I will research it and I will share what I find (and the process I followed researching it for everyone here to see. If the judgment is real, and if it is enforeceable, I will acknowledge that is the case for everyone.

Furthermore, a UCC-1 is NOT a judgment. It is a financing statement. HUGE difference.

Say, what exactly IS your role in Dorean? A broker? Principal? Shill?

son of a prophet said...

Fighting the System

In response to our reader who was thinking about taking on the big banks and credit card companies on the basis that there is no "contract" because he didn't receive one back from his credit card company - and because he felt that the banks couldn't unilaterally change loan terms without his agreement, a lawyer/reader offers this dash of reality:

As you know, I am a Texas lawyer and the laws of other states may permit what your "bright fellow" ("BF") is attempting to do, as related in your article of today. I doubt it, however, because (1) there is a signed contract, which originates from the application that BF or a family member signed when he applied for credit; (2) if not, there would be an implied contract, and (3) when the credit card companies change the interest rate (or other terms of the contract), they give advance written notice and tell cardholders that any future charges, etc. will be subject to the new terms or the account should be paid off under the old terms and no further charges made. Since the "no money" argument is unique, I can't opine on it. The numbered items above, however, are well settled law in most states in which I have practiced (Arkansas, Texas and Florida) and will cause the arguments made to be denied on motion for summary judgment, if made in most Texas courts. More importantly, however, under either the terms of most of such contracts, they will cause BF to incur a judgment for the "reasonable" attorneys fees of the credit card companies (which will not be reasonable in amount), probably resulting in BF having to seek protection of the bankruptcy court in his judicial district. If the contract involved does not contain a "winner gets attorneys fees" provision, opposing counsel can proceed under Texas Rule of Civil Procedure 13 (or similar provision in his state) where such an award can be made for a "frivolous suit."

If BF still wishes to proceed, you might advise him to do so in a local small claims court, where the total amount of any adverse judgment is within a manageable limit, thereby putting a cap on such an award, even if appealed to a higher court (in Texas).

I see the problem - looks like a tough nut to crack, doesn't it? Nevertheless, we will cheer for the underdog in this, because the reader thinking of initiating the action has paid the actual cost of the goods he purchased (and then some) - but what has caught up with him is the usurious interest charges. OOOPPPS! Sorry, I forgot. There's no such thing as usury when dealing with credit card companies...it's whatever they feel like...

Peoplenomics

imbigo said...

It really makes me LOL when I read people asking for info. "AS IF"...

Get a life naysayers!!!

Buy the DVD!!!

Think "OUTSIDE" the box that we ALL have been dooped into staying behind, in, under, ect...

Zup willtofight!!!!

TIME WILL TELL!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tcob247 said...

Mogel

I want to see you take seen in Utah up on his offer
Will you

mogel said...

Seen It in Utah: First of all, I never said a UCC-1 is a judgment.
The Dorean Group is no longer, it's defunct, the government saw to that, so I have no role whatsoever, only the commitments continue.
When clients get paid in the not too distant future, it will all be a moot point & it won't matter what the rest of the world thinks or whatever research one does since it will all be meaningless except to those people financially blessed, because the lending scam will continue & people will still believe what they believe. Besides my time is worth more than $5.00.

If you are wrong, will you give up interest in your Title Company to me & cement that in contractual writing now? After all, what do you have to lose & what do you have at risk, since you are completely sure of your position, are you not? It's a sure bet in your viewpoint, is it not? And if I'm mistaken in my views, I owe you $5.00. That sounds like a bet you would make, or am I mistaken? If clients don't get paid, from these marketable instruments, within a reasonable amount of time, then, of course, I'm wrong.

Have you ever listened to those infomercials on TV & heard of the "Cash Flow business". There are at least 62 items that are marketable items which are in essence "negotiable paper" that different type of investors buy. Can you list all of the different instruments that investors buy in the Cash Flow Business? I think probably not. Course you can prove me wrong & list them in a post here. Since when did you become a researcher or authority on what has been produced though the mortgage challenge process that is also marketable & valuable to an investor? YOu still think the Dorean subrogation bond is a bogus instrument & you claim to have the irrefutable proof & you believe you are an authority on that. How can you do trigonometry when you didn't understand the basic principles of arithmetic?

Mogel

Elmer Fudd said...

imbigo said...
It really makes me LOL when I read people asking for info. "AS IF"...

Get a life naysayers!!!

Buy the DVD!!!

Think "OUTSIDE" the box that we ALL have been dooped into staying behind, in, under, ect...

Zup willtofight!!!!

TIME WILL TELL!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lmao DVD? The only DvD i see floating around is Clueless bent over and His Dada giving him what Mama Never did!!!! Even if there was a DVD i rather spend my money wisely and go out for a few drinks and watch a football game, then give it to a Scamo. Hey Clueless FukU.

mogel said...

hmmmm said: "Our goal is to stop the banks - enough is enough, we are not here as a
business for the purpose of making money. We are here to demand compensation
for the assets that have been stolen from us by the banks; to discharge our
debts altogether and never again go into debt using the same evil, unethical
and illegal process.

I think Dorean is being punished not because it was successful in helping
people to cancel and annul their debts; Dorean is being punished for
unjustly enriching themselves".

Mr. Dempsey, didn't I read something somewhere where a motion to dismiss was filed by the Defendants and you asked for $5,000/hour in attorney fees before this motion to dismiss would ever even be considered or accepted by you? Why EVEN consider this if the cause is the only important thing and money is meaningless? Couldn't this excessive charge per hour be construed as "unjustly enriching oneself"? I don't really know, I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the Court would QUESTION the hourly rate being motioned for as being "unjustly enriching oneself" for one's time and labor or you are just sueing to extract a quick money settlement? Maybe you're worth $5,000/hour? I'm don't really know. To someone making minimum wage, this seems excessive or unjustly enriching oneself. All the Defendants would have to prove is that this is not the hourly rate that is normally charged by your law firm & then you look silly. Have you ever charged less than $5,000 per hour? Mr. Dempsey, how can you look after the People's best interest to even entertain such an acceptance if you are in it JUST for the righteous cause and it's not about the money whatsoever?
I could be mistaken, but I don't think "Pandoras Box" will ever be opened by anyone. There's too much at stake here to ever conceive of this happening. There must be another alternative or settlement rather than opening up Pandoras Box which lenders & banks can never allow even in a high stakes poker game.
If Dorean is being punished "for unjustly enriching itself", wouldn't you look better if you did your cause "pro bono" or in the very least, agreed to lower your hourly rate or your take, as a benefit to THE PEOPLE? Dorean only took on the dispute of client's lenders, not necessarily the entire banking system. You seem to be taking on a large part of the Canadian banking industry as your Defendants. Aren't you stepping on some big toes? Do you think you are immune from punishment or disbarrment or unfair play from the government or the Courts or other forces? What will be your explanation for your woes if you are punished in some way if you or your cause is unsuccessful?
Is your cause so different?

Mogel

fixerone said...

Dear Peanut Gallery,

Not sure what you mean by "There are several aspects of fixerone's post that leave me suspect".
I went thru Dorean with this process starting in Oct. of 2004. They really drag their butts with getting back to you and don't quite answer any questions or address concerns. Then everything stopped in Jan. 05 with nothing from Dorean. Had to find out what was going on thru other channels.

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