Tuesday, December 20, 2005

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

Seasons greetings from the great state of Utah! Kurt asked me to write a blog since he felt some of you would like to hear from me. Well, I must say this has been a very strange and wonderful experience for my first trip to the rodeo. I am in good spirits and probably the best shape I’ve been in since my days of high school sports. I’m even keeping up with some of the young kids in my pursuit of handball excellence! While physical training has been beneficial, my relationship with God has certainly deepened. Those of you in the faith will covet the amount of time in prayer, meditation, reflection and study I’m able to get in each day. This sequestering has truly been a blessing. I will save the stories of personal accomplishments and divine appointments for our future gathering.

What can I say that my distinguished colleague hasn’t already articulated. Kurt has done a masterful job of clearly stating our position and bringing common sense to a convoluted marketplace. I’m as confident as he is because truth is on our side! Truth in this case being a multifaceted definition. I would like to take this opportunity to thank many of the people who continue to support Kurt and me in this battle, both prayerfully and tactically. I will mention first names, you know who you are: Deborah, Fred, Bill, Deb, Bob and Doug (new to the mix). We couldn’t do this without you! Our known intercessors Karen (thank you for the letters and books!), Lenora, and Dee (your prophetic insight is very keen); our faithful letter writers: Becky, Karen (I’ll mention you again because your letters encourage and inspire – thank you), Todd, Joe, Diana, Gabriel and Moriah. I believe I covered everyone that has written to me. If I left anyone out, write and remind me and I’ll dedicate an entire blog to you! Finally, to Kurt, a man who is closer to me than family – well almost anyway. To you I impart my deepest respect and highest admiration for your unwavering faith and heart of a warrior. You have demonstrated not only a zeal for God but a steadfast reliance on His word. I could not imagine fighting this battle without you. I am truly blessed to observe faith in action. You that support us should be rejoicing that you have an advocate like Kurt during this important time in history. Have a blessed Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Scott

37 comments:

you will know them by their fruit said...

Did you send off your X-Mas card to Latvia yet?

Merry X-Mas to all, scammer and anti-scammer.

WillToFight said...

Thanks Scott

Good to hear from you!

Let me address a naysayer!

Youhaveshownbyyourfruit you have not a bit of hope, faith, confidence, will. How do you come with a name as yours "you will know them by their fruit" check your own fruit. Does it grow, or is all you do is attempt to feel better be attempting to point out what is wrong with another. Your obviously an idiot!

Never to respond or mention you again!

Clueless Fudd said...

Great post, Scott.

At least up to the point of acknowledging Bill "scammer" Julian and Bob "probably going to be dis-barred if the justice departments gets their way" Locke.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Thanks Will

Knowing that you (and those like you) oppose me reassures me of my purpose.

Happy scamming!

I hope you get to spend the holidays in your home. Many who have been scammed will not. But I am sure Kurt and Scott's kind holday blessing will keep them warm enough. Who needs walls, family, friends, etc. when you have this wonderful blog.

letslookatthegoal said...

I have been reading this blog site since its conception and it is a shame one reality has not been mentioned before so allow me.

First, let us be reminded (as it has been said before here) that being put in jail and charged doesn't make the parties in question guilty. That the knowledge learned by the people who took up this quest should be used as a group to reach the goal intended=mortgage free and a restructuring of banking finance. So far this knowledge has been misused (because it is not being nurture by the group where our strength lies-we can not win this individually) and the energy misdirected in stating opinions false and true (most having little to do with the goal). Just maybe we could be helping those people who need our help, I don't know, but I can asure everyone we can't help them and ourselves by the majority of what is going on in this comment section. We have to band together closer (some how) more now then before.

Before I finish with what has not been said I most say this, F.L. there was a job that you where doing and people are still waiting for you to complete your responsibility and give the agents what they have earned. The excuse of the restrainting order is not valid for legal business taking place before the restrainting order (check with a lawyer). I mention this because things like this drive good people to the other side. Most of the time you will not lose anyone when the cause is truthful and the people are treated fair. F.L., if the money is in an account(I might be wrong here) operated by you, then you are using the money (at the very least gaining interest) just like the banks. Having said that I also want to pass on my appreciation for the work you and G.S. did and are doing. Thanks

Now the reality is who is really in prison. From my vantage point Scott and Kurt may physically be in prison, but mentally they are free. Compared to most of us, who eventhough physically on the outside of the bars and walls, we are mentally imprison. Hence most of the discussion (in this comment area) is centered on nothingness. Which will always distract us from the good and proper work the group can do. Where we are the strongest is where we need to come together and play to that strength. Knowledge and numbers are our strong points. Where can we talk? Peace

imbigo said...

FYI...

ITS CHRISTmas not X-mas..

BIG"O" 1+1=1+1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

imbigo said...

Thanks Scott, Gads speed my Brother.

BIG"O"

imbigo said...

WHATS UP SOLVO (DUDE)

BIG"O"

son of a prophet said...

Speaking of Which

Italy is working on central bank(sters) reform following the resignation of the president of Italian central bank amidst allegations that he was up to no good.


Berlusconi Vows Swift Banking Reform


ROME (AP) - Italy's government promised on Tuesday the swift passage of a reform of the central bank, part of a long-awaited broader bill to shore up financial regulation and protect the country's small savers.

Pressure to approve the bill -- originally drawn up following the exposure of a massive fraud scandal at dairy and juice company Parmalat SpA two years ago -- has mounted amid a widening banking scandal that forced the resignation of central bank governor Antonio Fazio on Monday.

Yetter said...

Likewise gentlmen,the trust salutes you.

evilex said...

Scott,

It does our hearts good to know that your spirits are high. I'm sorry I don't get to see you so "mean and lean" as Kurt put it previously. I only saw the mean part. I told you for years to get some exercise and you have to go to jail before you'll listen...

Despite all, we are so sad this Christmas without you. The coffee pot will be on and you'll be there but only in our thoughts and we will have a few gifts under the tree. I don't think our kids care much about about stuff this year. Only your absence. I never would have wished this on you - Kurt maybe, but not you.

There seems to be a trickle of support for the great and mighty Kurt Johnson. I thought the readers might enjoy someone else's perspective.

I realize that you would never be involved in this if it weren't for the information and education Kurt provided as he joyfully came into our lives.

When was that? Oh yes, when the money from the sale of our first home magically disappeared overseas without my consent "in the name of truth". When my pastor (and boss) received an email that our new trustee (KJ) who I did not approve, may be so inclined to report me "in the name of truth" to the Alameda Co. D.A. for "stealing" the remainder of the house sale money so it wouldn't go to wind like so many other tens of thousands of dollars we had. It was at that time that Kurt told me "I'll never go to jail again". Well, that is only partially true and the rest remains to be seen.

When I questioned Kurt about the consequences for not paying taxes "in the name of truth" he said he would just throw the notices away and nothing would come of it. Well, thank goodness for me, a generous person fronted me the $8,500.00 it cost to get the tax liens off my wages. Now I can bring home more than $150 I was netting per bi-monthly paycheck and better feed my now fatherless kids and my eight-something father can continue to help support the daughter he once gave away.

Oh, my work - that's the same organization you guys threatened to sue "in the name of truth" (church and school -pastor & business administrator & superintendent) for garnishing my wages according to the legal order. But, because they love our kids, they also now scholarship our kids' tuition, buy them school clothes among other things, too numerous to mention.

There are no college funds, no retirement, no savings and in order to leave the past behind we now live in a 1100 sq.ft. rental where we don't receive foreclosure notices on the door and there is no more endless parade of process servers.

Sell the house you say? Can't - there's a million dollars worth of liens against it from all the credit cards, IRS, and FTB "in the name of truth" that were magically paid off - NOT. Can you say "Something only works if it works and not if you keep businesses/organizations/persons tied up in constant legal harrassment "in the name of truth" for years until they say "uncle" or "charged-off" or "you're guilty" or whatever the case might be? The proof is in the preliminary title report and the credit scores.

Now I realize Scott is a big boy and made these decisions by himself with Kurt's education, but I wanted the readers to know the men they stand behind as well as the outcome - the blown trust especially. Best case scenerio is that they beat this rap only to find another cause to die for another family to destroy (Kurt is on his third b/c of this crap - but oh yeah, God will restore... yes, again and again and again!)

Can God restore the legal expenses of your former 19-yr old receptionist for defending herself against a law suit brought against her? Did you think to warn her of the possible consequences of signing papers for the DG? Will God restore your brother's respect for you for refusing to sign the title back over to him "in the name of truth" until he threatened to disown you? Kurt, you brag about your lack material expenses, yet you guys spent $200,000 cash on a RENTAL office that subsequently kicked you out. I could go on and on...

May the readers forgive my sarcasm but I'm not done being angry with you guys yet. You isolated yourselves from everyong and rejected any solid advice, and not only balked, but really tawnted the Feds "in the name of truth". And I thought that you guys had this whole network of legal advisors, funds and friends that could not only help you guys find the correct way, but help us out in the event of an arrest. It's like Dorean dropped off the face of the earth and honestly we are all relieved. It was like being married to the mob with all the cigar-smoking, head-swelling bullying mumbo jumbo.

Kurt - my children are fine although there are days where grief and sadness arise and my 12-year old is uncosolable, they are on track and doing well as can be expected. And if I'm faithless, the Lord is about to put me to the test for come the new year I will face the most serious financial challenges, as I deal with three different legal areas just so I can survice A.D. (after Dorean) and be responsible for a high Bay Area rent with three kids under my roof still. And Kurt, don't mention our divorce as a badge of honor for Scott, but a badge of discrace. Dorean didn't have that much power. I've just had enough of both of you and the crappiest, lowest and shameful lifestyle one can imagine.

Readers - a product should never take years for delivery - and the product was not fully tested. It's not rocket science, follow your God-given sense and your conscience next time. You don't even need to know God or scripture for that bit of advice, so don't listen to all crap my brothers are feeding you.

Or read the Bible yourself, it's all there, even for the simple-minded and faithless, like me.

Lori Heineman

evilex said...

Scott,

It does our hearts good to know that your spirits are high. I'm sorry I don't get to see you so "mean and lean" as Kurt put it previously. I only saw the mean part. I told you for years to get some exercise and you have to go to jail before you'll listen...

Despite all, we are so sad this Christmas without you. The coffee pot will be on and you'll be there but only in our thoughts and we will have a few gifts under the tree. I don't think our kids care much about about stuff this year. Only your absence. I never would have wished this on you - Kurt maybe, but not you.

There seems to be a trickle of support for the great and mighty Kurt Johnson. I thought the readers might enjoy someone else's perspective.

I realize that you would never be involved in this if it weren't for the information and education Kurt provided as he joyfully came into our lives.

When was that? Oh yes, when the money from the sale of our first home magically disappeared overseas without my consent "in the name of truth". When my pastor (and boss) received an email that our new trustee (KJ) who I did not approve, may be so inclined to report me "in the name of truth" to the Alameda Co. D.A. for "stealing" the remainder of the house sale money so it wouldn't go to wind like so many other tens of thousands of dollars we had. It was at that time that Kurt told me "I'll never go to jail again". Well, that is only partially true and the rest remains to be seen.

When I questioned Kurt about the consequences for not paying taxes "in the name of truth" he said he would just throw the notices away and nothing would come of it. Well, thank goodness for me, a generous person fronted me the $8,500.00 it cost to get the tax liens off my wages. Now I can bring home more than $150 I was netting per bi-monthly paycheck and better feed my now fatherless kids and my eight-something father can continue to help support the daughter he once gave away.

Oh, my work - that's the same organization you guys threatened to sue "in the name of truth" (church and school -pastor & business administrator & superintendent) for garnishing my wages according to the legal order. But, because they love our kids, they also now scholarship our kids' tuition, buy them school clothes among other things, too numerous to mention.

There are no college funds, no retirement, no savings and in order to leave the past behind we now live in a 1100 sq.ft. rental where we don't receive foreclosure notices on the door and there is no more endless parade of process servers.

Sell the house you say? Can't - there's a million dollars worth of liens against it from all the credit cards, IRS, and FTB "in the name of truth" that were magically paid off - NOT. Can you say "Something only works if it works and not if you keep businesses/organizations/persons tied up in constant legal harrassment "in the name of truth" for years until they say "uncle" or "charged-off" or "you're guilty" or whatever the case might be? The proof is in the preliminary title report and the credit scores.

Now I realize Scott is a big boy and made these decisions by himself with Kurt's education, but I wanted the readers to know the men they stand behind as well as the outcome - the blown trust especially. Best case scenerio is that they beat this rap only to find another cause to die for another family to destroy (Kurt is on his third b/c of this crap - but oh yeah, God will restore... yes, again and again and again!)

Can God restore the legal expenses of your former 19-yr old receptionist for defending herself against a law suit brought against her? Did you think to warn her of the possible consequences of signing papers for the DG? Will God restore your brother's respect for you for refusing to sign the title back over to him "in the name of truth" until he threatened to disown you? Kurt, you brag about your lack material expenses, yet you guys spent $200,000 cash on a RENTAL office that subsequently kicked you out. I could go on and on...

May the readers forgive my sarcasm but I'm not done being angry with you guys yet. You isolated yourselves from everyong and rejected any solid advice, and not only balked, but really tawnted the Feds "in the name of truth". And I thought that you guys had this whole network of legal advisors, funds and friends that could not only help you guys find the correct way, but help us out in the event of an arrest. It's like Dorean dropped off the face of the earth and honestly we are all relieved. It was like being married to the mob with all the cigar-smoking, head-swelling bullying mumbo jumbo.

Kurt - my children are fine although there are days where grief and sadness arise and my 12-year old is uncosolable, they are on track and doing well as can be expected. And if I'm faithless, the Lord is about to put me to the test for come the new year I will face the most serious financial challenges, as I deal with three different legal areas just so I can survice A.D. (after Dorean) and be responsible for a high Bay Area rent with three kids under my roof still. And Kurt, don't mention our divorce as a badge of honor for Scott, but a badge of discrace. Dorean didn't have that much power. I've just had enough of both of you and the crappiest, lowest and shameful lifestyle one can imagine.

Readers - a product should never take years for delivery - and the product was not fully tested. It's not rocket science, follow your God-given sense and your conscience next time. You don't even need to know God or scripture for that bit of advice, so don't listen to all crap my brothers are feeding you.

Or read the Bible yourself, it's all there, even for the simple-minded and faithless, like me.

Lori Heineman, in the name of truth.

Elmer Fudd said...

Scott you better wake up and get real far from your so called buddy there. My sorrows for you and your family Lori, hope everything works out for you all. Hey Dr.Fred any advice you can give this young woman after all you owe her that much. But i bet not.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Lori,

I am so sorry for your loss. Your post will help others. You are in my prayers. I hope this ordeal brings you closer to the Lord. Good can come of this. You seem pretty strong already.

God Bless

Justice7777777 said...

Lori's Post--

Easily the most powerful post on this entire blog.

Wow! Like thunder, especially compared to the empty words of the Doreanites.

SHAME ON ALL YOU SCAMMERS!!!!!!!!!

How many other wifes/families are hurting in silence.

How do you scammers look in the mirror?

getmeoffthisride said...

Thank you Lori for your insight. I will be praying for you and your children this Christmas. I hope that you will do the same for us as we will be losing our home in a couple of months here. We still get no direct answers as to whether or not there will be a refund of monies paid out. We could really use it right now but we're not being heard. It's something for them to laugh at is how I feel. I had written in other posts that I'm ill, I'm going to have my adrenal glands removed next year. My kids don't get Christmas this year either. If not for my faith in Christ, I would feel like jumping off a cliff. My heart aches for them. I have nothing to give them, not even new beds. My one child sleeps on couch cushions on a bed frame, my other sleeps on a mattress that is ripped down the middle and we have to stuff a blanket in the rip so that the springs don't bother him. My other child is sleeping on an air mattress and that won't last forever. The last two don't even have bed frames. We have no heat in the house. I get terribly nauseated when there's no heat. The list goes on. It is difficult for a mother to witness this and I can certainly understand your plight. Take care of yourself and concentrate on your children. God bless you and hopefully, Merry Christmas. This season is only about His birthday. I look forward to meeting my Creator someday.

you will know them by their fruit said...

getmeoffthisride

If you would be willing to give me an address I would like to help. Please post an email so I can make contact and set something up.

God Bless

getmeoffthisride said...

Thank you very much. I don't expect anyone to do anything for us but if you would like to know more about us please email us at KathiK@netzero.com. Take care and God bless.

ricco7777 said...

Hi Kurt,
Good to hear your update! Keep up the faith!
Regards,
Rich

son of a prophet said...

FOR ALL YOU FOLKS MAKING THESE CRITICAL POSTS OF THE ME PROCESS:

I know that you feel that this mortgage process has not lived up to your expectations, HOWEVER, at the rate that events are progressing, all the rest who are not in the mortgage elimination process will soon feel the same pain as well. It will just come a little bit later.

Example: the NYC transit workers strike. Ask them about their finances taking a hit during the holidays.

AS the PTB genuinely seek to bankrupt the entire country, all will go thru what the folks who have signed up with the DG are going thru.

For all who know your bible, dont forget that it says that the days are coming when..... "a days work for a quart of wheat, or two quarts of barley."

This means that EVERYONE but the rich will be working for peanuts, or just enuogh for bare subsistence.

So, those who didnt join in the DG should pay attention very, very carefully, as soon you will not have a job, or like the transit workers and everyone else, will be working for peanuts, as all jobs, (in time) not some jobs, BUT ALL jobs will go to
immigrant workers here (who will sork for $5-6/hour)
and manufacturing jobs to foreign workers elsewhre; China, India etc.
(who will work fo 20-30 cents/hour; if even that much)

IF you currently have a job, YOU ARE MARKED TO LOSE IT TO A IMMIGRANT WORKER.

Dont think so???

WATCH AND SEE! (give it a year or two)

So, if I were all of you, I would be rooting for the process to succeed whether or not you are in it, or just a spectator.

tcob247 said...

Thank you Lori Heineman and Kathi K.

Now people can see the real devastation wrought by Kurt and Scott.

Oh.....and there are PLENTY more.
Hundreds.

So go on all you supporters.
Keep up the faith.

Your support of them is a spit in the face to people who lost their money and homes to these scoundrels

you will know them by their fruit said...

s o p

Maybe you can take your ill guided drivel to another blog. The hurting need compassion here, not another one of your conspiracy theories. I guess you skipped those chapters in the Bible. Or did they not touch your heart? You just took the financial parts you could twist to support your rants.

Shame on you.

tcob247 said...

Hey Scott.....

since you now read this blog and feel free to post how wonderful you are doing now.....do you care to address what your wife has said and perhaps give a message to your children?

Or would you just say how rotten a person she is and misguided?

Sounds like you got some splainin to do.

My opinion of you two just dropped form zero to minus zero on how you treat your families.
Guess that explains why you treat your clients the way you do.

On another note....

So Farrel is withholding peoples commission huh....
Boy there is a real suprise.
Lots of crooks out there in this process.

Dr Fred....are you helping support your grandkids?

letslookatthegoal said...

Hey, can I get your attention and address what we have here. The knowledge and the numbers is on our side. Look around the world, there are civil suits going on related to our goal. Can we focus, can we start our own suit. Can we put our energy behind a process that will move us closer to the goal.

tcob247 will you pause for the cause? We sould put the past where it needs to be, A LESSON OF EXPERIENCE. Now we should gather the troops, formulate a strategy, and move forward. Stop picking at people it's not helping any one.

I want to move forward and make a change before it is too late. Will you all join me. Let's a plan of action that uses the class action method with a knowledgable lawyer.

The families that are in pain (they are in my prayers also) and the people who are somewhere in the Dorean process need the goal of mortgage elimination to be achieved. We can do it, but it can only be done if we come together.

complainers suck said...

tcob247 said...
My opinion of you two just dropped form zero to minus zero on how you treat your families.

So Farrel is withholding peoples commission huh....
Boy there is a real suprise.

Dr Fred....are you helping support your grandkids?

whose next on the list of you've been bad boys this year, especially when you are completely off the mark, AS USUAL?

itsmeson said...

Dad, i see how Kurt is like family. I think you found what you are looking for. something you always wanted. its pretty pathetic too that you fail to even mention your family. im done
chris

Gforce said...

Scott--Thank you for your sacrafices for being involved with DG. The truth and promises in the Word override the truth in this blog. If others knew the Word, they would not be confessing defeat and despair. It seems you have many opportunities to forgive and walk in love. Your a man of God--confess the Word and it will come ot pass.

KYHOOYA said...

To All it May Concern:
As with all that is posted here, it must be taken with some amount of faith. Who can say what or whom is telling the truth or the real full story. I am sad to hear the stories from the one who are going through a tough time, I wish you only the best and that you have some good fortune in the near future. With wanting the best for the people that are down right now and being the time of year I will put what little that I have to help putting aside the fact of witch side of the fence you walk for this will not be about the process only about one person helpping another. So with that I will send what I can if you want to post a pay pal or some where to send it and anyone eles who is out ther would do the same these people that are in need could be out of that very quickly if only all would put up a small amout of money that I'm sure would not be mist at all but would help the these people the most there could be and account set up to be used for the thing that would help. I won't try and make this out to be some high cost ,very complicated deal KEEP IT SIMPLE that's how I like it then theres problems I don't want a big deal it's simple it look's as if there are people in need around us and I for one want to help those who are also willing to help them self. This is not to buy your house back or anything like that this is for the help needed to better your kids needs this is let's say to give you that needed foot hold so you can get up and work to move forword from there it's a boost not a cruch. I feel for any that are in need and have had the misfortune of life's unexpected , that we all have had at one point or another, some time's it seems that they all happen at one time. I feel for you if you have lost your home and I won't go into a big thing of why that is I will although say this at some point in this process you had to make a chose to do or not as is with all of lifes big and small choses it dosn't matter what some one is telling you it still is a chose so if you lost again I feel for you but it;s time to do what is need to move on or what ever you may chose to do I will send what I can and hope that others will do the same IT TAKES VERY LITTLE FROM A LARGE NUMBER TO MAKE UP A GOOD HELPPING AMOUT FOR THOSE IN NEED i WOULD SAY EVRYONE COULD COME UP WITH 5 10 BUCKS ANY WAY i'LL end with that said and we can go form there if this is something that people want to do I 'm willing to have this set up of the account in any way that people feel it would not be some kinda scam so that the money go's to the people that are realy in need. I will say this LOL any INPUT along these lines to get this done would be most appreseated and for sure expected. TISS THE SEAS.... FOLKS.
The small amout is of no loss when you think about it but it could be what is needed to let some one pull themself back up a little.I say that in the hopes to make this as simple as possable to get it done for the one who might be thing it's some scam or another. if i were to loss 5 buck today I may not like it but I would'nt disstroy me.

YOUR THOUGHT"S?

mogel said...

"Wherefore, there must be faith; and if there must be faith there must also be hope; and if there must be hope there must also be charity.

And except ye have charity ye can in nowise be saved in the kingdom of God; neither can ye be saved in the kingdom of God if ye have not faith; neither can ye if ye have no hope.

And if ye have no hope, YE MUST BE IN DESPAIR; AND DESPAIR COMETH BECAUSE OF INIQUITY.

And Christ truly said unto our fathers; If ye have faith ye can do all things which are expedient unto me.

KYHOOYA said...

To: Tocb247 or Two On Cancun Before 24th ... or that is what you said you were going to be doing this December was'nt it?

I gave you my e-mail and never got any mail from you. What's up? or are you as I said just a FED or somthing like that here to do nothing but disrupt.

It seems that with all that money of yours you would be of the mind to go on that vacation you said and maybe you might be able to help some of those you so offer your simpathy to. what about it there Tcob247 you going to do what you say or not. or maybe that to much to ask from you Huh!

L8r

mogel said...

A friend of mine visited Scott in jail to see how he was doing. Her first impression of Scott, a man she had never met before or never listened to speak? The first words out of her mouth to me: "A man with very KIND EYES".

"Scott's fruit speaks volumes of his character. In his first blog post, he doesn't speak of his inconveniences, or his own personal problems, nor does he become negative, he only speaks & seems to feel gratitude & thank those who have helped.

Thank-you Scott for being who you are. It doesn't go unnoticed, & even by those who don't know you well.

you will know them by their fruit said...

I think you will hard pressed trying to get any of the scammers to give any money. Those scammers still posting feel zero remorse. They must not own mirrors. How do they look themselves in the mirror?

I am super flawed and yet I feel intense anger when I see these people bringing God into their evil schemes all for the sake of money. I can only imagine the rage our perfect Lord felt when he tossed those tables in the temple. They were using his name to scam the people and he went ballistic. Dorean is doing the same thing. I would be scared to be a doreanite these days. It is as evil as one can get.

I have come to the conclusion that those who still fall in the Dorean camp (though few in number) are a lost cause. They should be thankfull that God has boundless mercy and will wait for them to repent until the very end.

Ironically, I think this blog has done much to further discredit these scammers (if that was possible) and expose their true intentions.

You will know them by their fruit. And they have shown themsleves.

In connclusion it shows how active the devil is. If he can't keep people from the word he has plenty that will use the word to decieve, bending scripture to their will.

Luckily His sheep know His voice. If people are really searching/investigating like the Bereans, they will find truth and be able to expose evil for themselves.

Have compassion and give. I think each should find his/her own way to give. With so many scammers about I think few will trust an organized effort (pay pal). Sincerity is so hard to find, sifting through all this dorean waste. These poor people have been scammed to the core.

getmeoffthisride said...

gforce - Do not even begin to tell me of my faith and how little it is because I do not know the Word. What do you know of my faith? Do you know the Word? Only to misinterpret it? Even Job, with the faith that he had, cried out to God, but he NEVER cursed him or denied Him. Jesus had asked that God take the cup of death from Him if it was His will. Do you think that it is easy and that I should be happy about all that is going on? I take full responsiblity for my desperation to give my kids a better life and putting out that money under the assumption that THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PROVEN PROCESS. Week after week we're told to have hope and that hope keeps getting moved a week, moved a week, moved a week. I was wrong to put my faith in a man instead of Christ. I do know the Word and sometimes I fail by choosing not to obey it. Thank goodness for Grace.
Mogel - Do not even begin to tell me that because I'm in despair, I have iniquity. What about the iniquity of leading people on? We're still waiting for that proven process. Lori was right, it doesn't take years and years. Die for the cause and lose everything for it? I'll do that for Jesus. There, I will feel no despair. My iniquity here is that I took faith in a man and not Christ. When you don't do as Christ does, that's when you feel despair. I have never once been able to talk to Scott or Kurt.
Do not begin to tell Lori and her son how they feel having their family torn apart. Where is the comfort for them? A father and a husband has left them. Has he acknowledged them here? No. It was all about acknowledging Kurt. Do you know how much a child hurts when parents divorce and one parent is never again a part of his/her life? Let me tell you from personal experience, it's painful. I feel for those children Scott left behind and it wasn't for persecution for his faith in Christ.
If he is truly in jail for the cause then I will pray for that, but, I'm only praying God's will. If he is not in jail for the cause then God will reveal that and Kurt and Scott will have to answer, not to us, but to God. I do not have anything only what is being told here and on the blog, right Kyhooya?
I have no personal interactions with any of these people except one whom I am friends with. His wife is suffering too from illness. They had hope so that she could receive good medical attention as well.
So, do not begin to tell us what we've done or what we're feeling. I have children to care for and I'm pleading with God to help me do so.
I do appreciate those who have offered to reach out to us during this time. I only hope that there is a way for us to keep our home and sell it without it being taken from us. Before I have surgery, I must have all of this taken care of, I will literally die from all the stress of this. I don't want to leave my children behind right now while they're young.

evilex said...

For the record, I don't believe that Scott and Kurt purposely scammed anyone. Nor do I believe that Scott would intentionally do anything to hurt his family, though insensitive to those things that do. May be the same thing, only God knows.

Maybe "letslookatthegoal" has a point. Maybe there is some good that can be done here with our financial system. Maybe the negative press, or even this blog will bring some attention to the matter.

The difference is the controlling reckless behavior and attitudes that turned these guys from brilliant men to misguided fools that have hurt people who really don't have what it takes to fully educate themselves about the "process".

I love you both, but I can't sit silent while you hammer those with differing opinions and clients who trusted you to deliver in a complete and timely way and who are shell-shocked, overwhelmed and without remedy.

And when you are finished eating slop, come home and we'll rejoice together though some things will have changed.

getmeoffthisride , thanks for the prayers, and hang in there. Get some support to help you reorganize your finances and plan for a better future. If I can start over at 44 so can you! The future is bright.

No more for me - God bless.

IamMrsDoubtfire said...

Oh my stars! Dearies, this is unbelievable! Did Scott really write this? Not the "Scotty" we knew. Let's see: Scott doesn't miss his Starbucks coffee in prison , he doesn't miss his kids who he used to adore. He doesn't miss yakking on the phone , and best of all, he enjoys the prison company in Utah. My dear kiddies, don't believe it for one little minute! Goodness me, how much crap (oh, excuse my bad language dears!) can we take?
Oh, and does anyone know how many of these comments really get to Scott or his buddy? Huh. Oh well, no matter, I must be going along. Tootles.

mogel said...

"I am super flawed and yet I feel intense anger when I see these people bringing God into their evil schemes all for the sake of money."

How ironic that you are bitter BECAUSE of loss of money or loss of personal possession. Must be one of those fruits that most don't see.

God has been involved in financial issues since the begining of time. It's not that Dorean is bringing God into all of this. God IS & HAS BEEN involved in financial issues of fairness & equity & has spoke on these subjects since the beginning of time. You don't see that because you don't understand your scriptures. You have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what Habakuk Chapt. 2 means, YET YOU CALL YOURSELF ONE OF HIS SHEEP.

Those that defend the process NOW do so because there is no financial gain at this point TO DEFEND IT, since the company is out of business, & HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME, but many still do defend the process due to their belief in the legitimacy of the process & to expose the CONTINUED bad behaviour of the lenders.

How fitting that you don't ever attack the lenders ANYMORE for their bad behaviour to show your true mirrored side & what fruit you are bearing now, and which side you really represent?

If you truly believe the true supporters are a lost cause, then, why can't you just go away? You can't change those that don't want to change, can you?

The truth is that you secretly hope that you are wrong & that Dorean will succeed & fulfill their promises. Therein lies your folly & your hypocrisy. You are still keenly interested & still have a financial interest!!!!

KYHOOYA said...

Joy in life is but only an arm's reach away.

I sat one day few years back in silent thought after looking for the weather news I only found that bad news sells and there was no room for the good news out there. this lead me to what I will share with you here . Please take this for what you will I only share this in the hope that maybe one day it will transpire, But by know way am I one tpo preech. I'm about the the fartest thing from that as you can getbut with some catholic schooling I do know right from wrong. Any way here you go my thoughts of what it takes to get to the so called PROMISE LAND, or what ever you may call it for your self. A simple circle plan and true we use it in my diffferant tribes around the world but mostly with the meaning of endless or complete .
this being said I propose this if we all could reach out to some one we see that is in need of what we have and if we were to give that we have all to one that is in need of it more so and to do this without regret or remorse without harm to thy self and with pure intention of there need and are overwhelming disire to provide for that to do all that and with only one thing in mind that by ding so you are forever completing the circle when this is done by all and the circle is completed ther you will find the world we so much want to exsist in there you will have a world were if everyone would follow this there could not exsist EVIL THER IS KNOW WHERE FOR IT TO THRIVE think about this and I hope that in some way you find the answer to your needs but for me I'm of the mind that what I have and produce by work or thought that others will find a need for I offer to that person without remorse only with the hope and direction that they to do the same so to complete the circle it take a long time I think and there are many many ways to let evil in to brake it up but if all could see that it could be. Thers is of course more to this and this being the overall . now there will be some that say but would if evil is in the line tring to mess it up and take what he is not needing and so forth as again all must be done with trust and if so the truly needy will be seen and the evil will have know chose but receed we have verry little time for this I am afraid it looks as if we have waste da lot of it with are selfness and evil has thrive in it wake but thers still a hope maybe than again it maybe done and there sis know fixing it.

Let me ask this of the people here I read and confirmed that the expedion that was sent see if a sat. image was truly theARK from the stroy nothing and after there trip and samples they have found that it is a very good chance most likly tha it is the ark. So I ask you this with it showing that the story could be true for the faithless or show me crowd as I am one of. my question is DO YOU CHANGE ANY THING ABOUT YOU AND HOW YOU DO THING AND ACT TO OTHER

I mean if that make the story true than I'd get a sporkle and stare to learn to swim realy well because how I see it is the same as it was then there s going to be the WE JUST DON'T GET IT MIND SET AND THE WATERS GOING TO FLOW if we don't change somthing about how were doing things today.

With that to all and I do mean all of you out there the one thjing that I know that binds us here is that we were looking for something to make thing better what ever that may be for you.

I wish all of you the very best and hope that what you are in need of will find its way to you and may all of you find some thing that gives you that inner happiness. try to find something around you that you can see that gives you the feeling of thank and joy that you are part of it for the time you have.
be happy all it a short time here for us in the light of wasn't Noa about 1500 years old time it funny an'nt it


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