Tuesday, December 06, 2005

Slow Train out of Utah

Well it appears Utah wants to hang on to their insignificant role in history. At best I’m here until year’s end. I’m not disappointed, it is all part of the game. The only role Utah has left is to be a scout. They want to see my evidence and strategies but it won’t happen. This battle means nothing, it is us and the big mouth feds and that’s it. I’m in this to win and they will not know the weapons of my warfare until the pivotal battle. Insurance fraud, what a joke! If I was even in the field it would still be petty. Is my Bond an insurance product? Was it when offered for sale? Used as a backing for anything other than myself? What is their claim? Did I fail to pay a claim or did some insurer get frauded by me? Regardless, the facts speak plainly for themselves.

53 comments:

Seen it in Utah said...

The facts do indeed speak for themselves. A bond, is by definition, an insurance product. To offer a fraudulent bond is to offer a fraudulent form of insurance.

imbigo said...

Be strong Brother Kurt & Brother Scott, I'm sure the worst part of this battle is being away from your families during this time of year, but your sacrafice is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED by all who care!!!

Hang in there my BROTHERS& GODS SPEED

Letter to follow....

Much Love!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

imbigo said...

So what makes the bond fraudulent utah???

Seen it in Utah said...

The bond is fraudulent because it is phony. I have seen this bond. I have seen the research to determine if the bond is in fact, worth anything. It is not. There is NO money or asset behind this bond. It is a worthless piece of paper. Since it purports to be worth many millions, and it is worth nothing, that is what makes it fraudulent.

Solvo said...

Seen it in Utah said...
I have seen the research to determine if the bond is in fact, worth anything. It is not.

utah,

Please give us ANY direction you can that shows the trust company does not in fact have $150MM in assets to back the LOC given to TDG. If you have in fact seen the research, enlighten us on where to find concrete info that the trust company does not have the $150M

Solvo said...
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Peanut Gallery said...

Yes, please Utah. I would certainly help alot of us out here who have no other information to go on.

Seen it in Utah said...

I will consider sharing the information. The only reason that I do not just dump it out here is because, frankly, I feel that many of the people in this forum won't believe anything I share. Therefore, if they truly want to find out for themselves, they should do their own research. Then they would have clear and obvious information. I will think about this and get back to people later on. I suppose it would make a difference if I believed that I was sharing with people who are genuinely interested in knowing the truth of the bond.

Peanut Gallery said...

Utah,
Thanks for the consideration. Rather than just sharing the information you have,why not detail how you researched the bond and we can duplicate it on our own.
I think that if you just hand out information without providing a paper trail, you would be correct in that many here would not believe you

tcob247 said...

Imbigo

If you remember correctly, brother Scott's wife came on here awhile back and posted.

I believe they are now divorced.
She basically detailed how he had let her and his children down by continuing this pursuit and had lost all credibility in his home town.

But, I'm sure you're support means more to him than his family did.

WillToFight said...

Don't expect UTAH to come up with any research trail for us to follow.

He just made the statement of the fraudulent bond to cast doubt.

He he had the fact that it was fraudulent he would have posted it weeks ago.

You think I believe that you believe it would be a waste of time for you to post the info due to our not wanting to believe anything you say.

Most of us here deal in facts my friend, we do research. If you have something then post it.

UTAH, I think you know we would track down the truth about what you post or say, and that is why you will not because you have no real hard facts in the issue.

You only have what your side wants to perpetrate and that you must shut down the truth to continue to manipulate the public and keep the fraud going.

Put up UTAH

Seen it in Utah said...

I knew I would get a response like Will to Fight. Seems like he wants to fight, whether he is right or wrong. Valium could be in his future.

Peanut: I appreciate the fact that you understand where I am coming from. First, do you have a copy of the "bond" that Kurt sends out to lenders with his RESPA and TILA challenge? If not, please try to get a copy from the Dorean sources...I do not want to have anyone claim that I somehow changed anything. Once you have a copy, let me know. I have to get my copy out of storage in the file, and it will be a couple of days.

Say, Will, do you have anything that shows the "bond" is worth more than the paper it is printed on? No way you can...it's worthless. Tell you what, Will Fight, why don't you try to make a claim on the bond...see what there is backing the bond. I will bet right now that you will come back with a smartass response saying you don't need to check--you know it is good, etc. I think you know, deep down, that the bond is worthless. I think you also know, deep down, that the judgment thatpeople are expecting to make them rich will not appear. I think, deep down, you know that there are real problems, and you bluster the way you do to try to overcompensate.

Hey, I know!! Why don't you call Bill Julian and ask HIM about the bond? He is probably a great resource. Or is he?

Peanut Gallery said...

Utah,
Of course I do not have a copy of the bond,why would I?
As far as getting a copy from Dorean, remember they do not exist as a company, there is no one to contact to get a copy.

Where did you get your copy? Your copy is in storage? If it is such a damaging article, why would you bury it so deep in storage that it will take a couple of days to retrieve?

I am trying to be objective with you, but in this instance I have to give you a "strike one"

Seen it in Utah said...

Peanut: Your strike one is really a ball. You should have received a copy of the bond if you had Kurt become the trustee of your trust and act on your behalf when he sent the challenges to the lender. As trustee, he should have supplied you sith this stuff.

I have the copy of the bond in storage--not a "damaging article". I want to compare the copy of the bond I have with a copy you have-to make sure that they are the same. If we are talking apples and oranges, it is a problem. I want to make sure we are both looking at apples. So, maybe you could contact Dr. Fred (or these guys who are "easy to get in touch with") and get a copy from him. Then let me know when you have the copy and we can do a quick comparison. If they are the same, then the information I have compiled with be the same for you. If youhave something different, then obviously my stuff will not match.

Peanut Gallery said...

Does anyone out there have a copy of the bond that Utah is referring to? If so maybe you can take him up on his offer to let him prove to us that the bond is bogus.

Justice7777777 said...

http://www.stroock.com/SiteFiles/News132.pdf

sd said...

Seen It In Utah said:
"The bond is fraudulent because it is phony. I have seen this bond. I have seen the research to determine if the bond is in fact, worth anything. It is not. There is NO money or asset behind this bond. It is a worthless piece of paper. Since it purports to be worth many millions, and it is worth nothing, that is what makes it fraudulent."


I re-worded your post by only changing BOND to NOTE, see if this makes any sense to anyone other than me?

"The Note (FRN) is fraudulent because it is phony. I have seen this Note. I have seen the research to determine if the Note is in fact, worth anything. It is not. There is NO money or asset behind this Note. It is a worthless piece of paper. Since it purports to be worth many millions, and it is worth nothing, that is what makes it fraudulent."

Comments are welcome...

motosurfer said...

Can we come see you in Salt Lake Will you take visitors? A Client

tcob247 said...

Peanut

Call or e-mail Dr. Fred

drhfred@sbcglobal.net

408-866-8625

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "A bond, is by definition, an insurance product." By your logic, so likewise, all corporations that issue bonds, to raise capital MUST have an insurance license too, otherwise, all of their bonds that are issued by ANY corporation are bogus too. Hence, all corporations must have an insurance license in all States or they can't raise capital through issuing bonds. Is this true? Or could it just be that all financial obligations AREN'T required to obtain an insurance license to raise capital?

Are federal reserve notes bonds? Should the Federal Reserve also have an insurance license in every State too in order to issue currency? Are gambling casinos acting as sureties when they have chips & games of chance & are these games, an insurance product? Do they need insurance licenses too in addition to a gaming license? Do cosigners of loans, who in fact are acting as a surety, also need to obtain an insurance license too before they sign as a secondary cosigner on any loan according to your logic & definition? Or does the Utah case, just look like selective prosecution?

How ridiculous is your definition? Isn't a definition suppose to be all encompassing, otherwise, it isn't a definition?

"To offer a fraudulent bond is to offer a fraudulent form of insurance." Where is the proof that the Dorean bond is a fraudulent bond? Where is the proof or evidence that there is no financial backing for the bond?

What if it could be shown that these bonds were used as assets to use fractional reserve banking by the banks to issue 9 fold more in loans by the lender? Would that show validity or value to the bonds and in effect show an acceptance of these bonds? Only about 6 institutions actually returned the bonds. Why is that? If there is an acceptance, why the beef?

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah: You say there is no assets since you say the Dorean Group nor the Trust Company has NO financial backing?

There are plenty of assets before the presentments went out to the lenders & MUCH MORE NOW due to the Dorean process. There are million dollar liens for EACH lender's violation that have been filed by EACH clients Trusts & the financing statement FILED ORIGINALLY IN FAVOR OF EACH OF THE DOREAN TRUSTEES. These financing statements have been assigned from the Dorean Principles to the Trust Company overseas NOW.

There are thousands of these UCC-1 liens. Seems to me this gives the process clout & credibility since these liens have gone uncontested & are filed for interested investors to see, overseas investors that would be interested in these administrative judgments & defaults which are evidenced by their legitimacy to the fact that the trustees & the Trust Company are the REAL CREDITORS OF ALL THE PROMISSORY NOTES OF CLIENTS & THE SECURITY INSTRUMENTS ASSIGNED IN THE SECONDARY MARKETS NOW. When Kurt & Scott said they are in fact the creditors, not the banks, they weren't kidding or exagerrating at all. Now, wouldn't you think that all of these UCC filing give Kurt & Scott the best poker hand & GREAT LEVERAGE to get them out of jail & hopefully sooner than later?

This is further proof to show that the process has validity & will eventually sell all of these administrative judgments since they are backed by public filings in California for all to see. No assets? What a joke Sherlock.

Just log into the California Secretary of State's website & do a search on UCC liens. You'll have to key in the important trustee names or names of Clients Trusts to pick up the documents you are interested in viewing. One can see all of the lenders listed as the debtors too in these transactions.

You'll have to set up an account & pay for the research though. Obviously, your sloppy research didn't include this, did it? Here is the California Secretary of States website to start your research:

https://uccconnect.ss.ca.gov/acct/acct-login.asp

pasak said...

I have a copy of the bond if anyone's interested.

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah: You are such a piece of work.!!! You somehow suggest out of your own vain thinking that the Dorean bonds are different depending on different clients. The wording on all the clients bonds are the same. The only differences would be the bond number & the amount of the bond since the bond amount was always twice the amount originally financed by the lender. This subrogation bond is backed by a 120 million dollar letter of credit issued by the Trust company overseas. The Trust Company is mentioned on the back of the bond & the lender is given instructions on how to redeem the bond. If the lender wanted to redeem the bond, they had the knowlege, therefore, there is no excuse for them.

Most clients could receive a copy of this subrogation bond by just requesting the paperwork from their lenders. Most lenders would be happy to fax or mail this to them. Course when I asked by lender for the back side of the bond, they said it didn't exist? That obviously was a lie I proved later since I was able to get a copy of the backside of the bond from a different source to prove it existed. The backside of the bond mentions the name of the Trust Company & the front side of the bond is signed by Kurt himself as a surety.

Just admit it, "Seen It in Utah". You have done NO RESEARCH AT ALL. You have given nothing in your posts as evidence of anything you say. YOu can't decipher the legitimacy of a bond by sight alone. That is ridiculous & you know this as well as me. Why do you masquerade as an expert?

Peanut Gallery said...

pasak said,

I have a copy of the bond if anyone's interested.





There you go Utah, pasak has a copy of the bond. Let er rip!!!

pasak said...

email me at borec79@aol.com and I'll forward a copy of a dorean bond to you. But now I'm off to see the christmas lights at temple square with my family. cau

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah: Do you know anything about the "Notice of International Commercial Claims within the Admiralty Administrative Remedy" based upon the following :

28 U.S.C. 1333, 2461 and 2463

Would you like to discuss your self professed research as it applies to this law and remedy?

Seen it in Utah said...

Sorry guys. I stand by my statement. The bond Johnson tried to foist on the lenders is not worth the paper it is written on. No assets. Nothing backing it.

As for the claims of the many millions to pour in from the lenders as they cough up your moneys based on "administrative judgments" and maritime judgments--I find it so difficult to believe that people can be so gullible as to believe this stuff. It is not going to happen!

For the record, I did indeed do research, and so did the FBI and the Utah Attorney General's Office. Guess what we all found backing up the bond? Nothing. Nothing at all. Hence the prosecution. And the empty promises from your fearless leaders. If you care to go back through the months and review the multitude of promises from Kurt, from everything to getting out of jail many months ago, to the riches swelling the pockets of the followers, to the refunds of money to disgruntled clients, you will find NONE of these promises kept. No one even has a clear title to their house. No one has one thin dime from him. Never will.

I think people get so torked off because they know that (1) they are taking advantage of other people (clients who fork out money), or they have been suckered, and they hope with all their heart that somehow, wome way, the pipe dream and promise will somehow magically happen.

If someone comes up with the bond, let me know. If they are the same, I will still share.

sd said...

Hey, SeenItInUtah,
Evidently you don't read the posts, you just write them.

Just 2 posts up from your last, pasak said:
"email me at borec79@aol.com and I'll forward a copy of a dorean bond to you."

Now then, Put up or you know what...

Solvo said...

Utah,

Why in all of the "due diligence and research" that has been conducted by you, STATE OF UTAH (Fiction at Law), and the foreign entity FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION(Fiction at Law), haven't any of you contacted the trust officer of the trust company to solidify your research?

Seems to me, that if you want to know the truth, either he can prove or not prove the validity of the LOC/bond. So, if the source has not been put on the spot to "put up or shut up", ALL OF YOU have proven ZILCH, in my humble opinion.

Peanut Gallery said...

utah said,

As for the claims of the many millions to pour in from the lenders as they cough up your moneys based on "administrative judgments" and maritime judgments--I find it so difficult to believe that people can be so gullible as to believe this stuff. It is not going to happen!


The money is not coming from the lenders. Read moguls post c a r e f u l l y

WillToFight said...

Oh, I see UTAH, You relate the Bond as phony just like you should understand a FRN, "created out of nothing". You do it all the time. Oh, I forget your part of the club that separates "phony" from phony!

And another thing UTAH you seem to be the only one out here that is dizzied to fact. Sounds like you already know something about valium?

Anyway, I have a question and maybe it can be answered simply by you, as you are a scholar and owner of a title insurance/underwritting Co.

Here goes! I sign a loan document (Deed of Trust) that held as the Trustee on Title insurance co., at closing. When I received my documents as "Borrowers Copy" the Trustee (Title Ins. Co.) had changed to a second Title Co. Only three months after recieving the borrowers copy the Title Insurance Co changed again for the third time.

What does that mean, esp. monetarily to each title co. that became Trustee to the Note for the beneficiary of MERS? Because each Title Insurance Agency at one point was Trustee to the Instrument or Note worth close to $400,000.

If Dorean and others are correct the monetary value of each holder after bank fractionalization would equal approx. (at discount) 2.6 Mil x 3 not including the so-called lender usury fees that equal in any case of interest, at least three times what was borrowed.

Would you please answer this question UTAH?

I don't need valium, it is dizzying enough how greed is so paramount in this society.

Understand, a fight does not have to be physical! You might need to do a little fighting and struggling withing yourself? You might be a conflict of interest to humanity due to you greed and calus nature!

SD I think many of us get it, even UTAH that is how he could make such a statement!

Seen it in Utah said...

Peanut: Maybe you need to read the posts more carefully. Dorean is expecting these monies to come from lenders...it ain't gonna happen. Hasn't yet, never will. These assignments to the trust company are useless. Worthless. Nothing has been collected, and nothing ever will. NO COURT capable of enforcing any of these so called obligations has ever recognized them at all. If there is no ability to enforce a claim, it is useless.

PS--I sent an e-mail to pasak. When I get the copy I will let everyone know.

With respect to bonds: you are talking apples and oranges again. The bond that Kurt tried to foist on lenders is nothing like a registered security that companies issue for their fund-raising. Not even comparable. What Curt did was an attempt at a replacement collateral--by using the terminology that he did, het put is squarely as an insurance issue. Seems that the law agrees with me.

Chelsea said...

I don't know who is right but I have faith in Kurt and Scott and I will wait. I will be paying my mortgage payments weather I'm in the program or not.

I know that you will never have anything without faith and that I have.

Good going Kurt and Scott and God bless you both

WillToFight said...

WillToFight said...
Oh, I see UTAH, You relate the Bond as phony just like you should understand a FRN, "created out of nothing". You do it all the time. Oh, I forget your part of the club that separates "phony" from phony!

And another thing UTAH you seem to be the only one out here that is dizzied to fact. Sounds like you already know something about valium?

Anyway, I have a question and maybe it can be answered simply by you, as you are a scholar and owner of a title insurance/underwritting Co.

Here goes! I sign a loan document (Deed of Trust) that held as the Trustee on Title insurance co., at closing. When I received my documents as "Borrowers Copy" the Trustee (Title Ins. Co.) had changed to a second Title Co. Only three months after recieving the borrowers copy the Title Insurance Co changed again for the third time.

What does that mean, esp. monetarily to each title co. that became Trustee to the Note for the beneficiary of MERS? Because each Title Insurance Agency at one point was Trustee to the Instrument or Note worth close to $400,000.

If Dorean and others are correct the monetary value of each holder after bank fractionalization would equal approx. (at discount) 2.6 Mil x 3 not including the so-called lender usury fees that equal in any case of interest, at least three times what was borrowed.

Would you please answer this question UTAH?

I don't need valium, it is dizzying enough how greed is so paramount in this society.

Understand, a fight does not have to be physical! You might need to do a little fighting and struggling withing yourself? You might be a conflict of interest to humanity due to you greed and calus nature!

SD I think many of us get it, even UTAH that is how he could make such a statement!

4:13 PM

WillToFight said...

Yeah UTAH

The color of law that has infiltrated our constitutional system would agree with you.

There is new presedent that must be set. This is not over my friend.

Do you understand "color of law" v. common law/constitutional law?

Seen it in Utah said...

You bet I understand color of law. And in order for a "colorable" claim to exist, there must be some legitimate, good faith and reasonable claim.. Sorry, Dorean has none of these. As so well explained to Kurt's first attorney who put this stuff in front of a federal judge and got find in a huge way. Nothing even colorable about these claims.

Solvo said...

Utah,

Now your confusion is perfectly clear. If you believe that Spielbauer put Kurt's arguments before court, you are sadly mistaken. Spielbauer was told in advance not to bring those arguments before the court, but he insisten on doing so. If you look at the complaints filed, not one of Spielbauer complaints talks about "entitlement rights", which is what TDG process hinges upon.

Seen it in Utah said...

Solvo,

What I think doesn't really matter. The fact is, the Dorean theories are not unique...they have been tried and tested by others...and every one of them failed. Not one has been even remotely successful. People go to prison. People's lives are a mess. It is unconscionable to keep peddling this stuff to people. How may times does a judge have to clearly stomp these things down? You cannot buy a house, and then walk off as though you do not have to pay the mortgage. Period.

neodemes said...

http://www.neodemesne.com/Dorean/bond.gif

Enjoy.

neodemes said...

This one is clickable:

http://www.neodemesne.com/Dorean/bond.gif

Foxy said...

The bond was conditional acceptance bond in that the bank first had to prove they did not defraud the borrower. They could make claim on the bond if they produced the documents requested in presentment. Not one bank proved they did not defraud the borrower, so not one bank got to make a claim on the bond. Therefore the bank never had an opportunity to prove Dorean's bond was fraudulent.

The bond was worth nothing until the bank came up with their part of the bargain-- proof of claim.

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "I knew I would get a response like Will to Fight. Seems like he wants to fight, whether he is right or wrong. Valium could be in his future."

Utah, You've already forgotten, that was your response to me that I needed a valium pill too. I guess anyone who challenges you is in need of medication, huh?

Isn't there a difference between wanting to fight & demanding proof?
It seems to me that evidence would put a stop to any fighting, would it not? Where is your evidence of anything you say? Do you have the financial records of the Trust Company or CPA reports or anything to prove that there is no backing for the subrogation bond? Or should we blindly trust everything you say? After all, you are the one using words like "fraudulent". Without proof, words like that become "slander" & "libelous". Who would want to be in that position? Maybe you will need medication soon.

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "As for the claims of the many millions to pour in from the lenders as they cough up your moneys based on "administrative judgments" and maritime judgments--I find it so difficult to believe"

You know, I find that difficult to believe too. Who said the lenders would automatically & voluntarily pay clients based upon administrative judgments? The lenders won't be paying these monies. I'll agree with you there. Where did you ever get that crazy idea that the lenders would voluntarily pay? Maybe it's the valium that you are taking that is making you say such things?

Also, the State of Utah charges never claimed the bond to be invalid because it wasn't backed by real assets or a real letter of credit. That isn't in the Court charges as their reason for alleged insurance fraud. Another wrong presumption of yours. The insurance fraud charge come into existence due to the assumption by the State of Utah that the bond is an "insurance product" & so in order to issue bonds in the State of Utah to send out to any lenders, this presupposes that the surety MUST ALSO be a licensed entity, not the presumption that the bond is invalid. That issue of the bond's backing has not been dealt with or proven. Huge difference!!

As far as the State of Utah is concerned, the bond could be valid & backed by real assets & maybe the State of Utah even knows that, they still don't care because if the bond is an "insurance product" & if they're able to show that somehow, they'll still convict solely based upon no insurance license, an issue all by itself.

Lack of an insurance license doesn't prove that the bond is invalid. The issue is whether an insurance license is really legally required & how BROADLY the State is going to interpret the Insurance Statute. Why do you keep perverting the real issues & real facts?

We're all waiting to see the results of your research & the process used & paperwork and research received to prove your conclusions.

Don't assume that anyone on this board is not interested in this. Your problem is that you make too many assumptions.

gotlight said...

Where is the back side of this bond? neo?

mogel said...

Seen It In Utah said: "Guess what we all found backing up the bond? Nothing. Nothing at all."

Was that research concluded before or after the FBI confiscated $300,000 in monies in their 4 DOMESTIC bank accounts that they illegally seized? I guess those monies are "NOTHING" too by definition? Kurt was a signer on those bank accounts was he not?

WillToFight said...

UTAH you do not read the post very well as several have said and proved.

Your like many in this society. They think someone an authority figure so that automatically make that figure correct, and they just continue to say a thing (lie) after lie after lie.

It is obvious you do not know the difference between "color of law" v. "common law"/"natural law" you have and will continue to be blinded as you are unconcious but willingly embrace the matrix, your bliss will be short lived.

answer my senario that I posted. How could I end up with three (Trustees) Title Co's. within a span of three months after closing on a so-called loan, and did each Trustee (Title Co.) have the ability to monetize and thereby fractionalize the Security Agreement for the benefit of beneficiary (MERS)?

WillToFight said...

UTAH since you can answer one of my questions, I'll give you the answer reference "Color of law"


Colorable Law and the Uniform Commercial Code

At the time of the United States bankruptcy, the federal government set up a system of colorable law to go along with its already established colorable currency (Federal Reserve Notes). The word colorable means something that appears to be genuine but is not. Maybe it looks like a dollar, and maybe it spends like a dollar, but if it is not redeemable for lawful money-silver or gold-it is colorable. If a Federal Reserve Note is used in a contract, then it becomes a colorable contract which must be enforced under colorable jurisdiction. In other words, after creating Federal Reserve Notes the government had to create colorable jurisdiction to cover the kinds of contracts which use them. (Read the Federal Reserve System).

Color of Authority: That semblance or presumption of authority sustaining the acts of a public officer which is derived from his apparent title to the office or from a writ or other process in his hands apparently valid and regular.

Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

Color of Law: "The appearance or semblance, without the substance, of legal right. Misuse of power, possessed by virtue of state law and made possible only because wrongdoer is clothed with authority of state, is action taken under color of law."

Atkins v. Lanning, D.C. Okl., 415 F. Supp. 186, 188

Color of Law: "Mere semblance of a legal right."

State ex rel. West v Des Moines, 96 Iowa 521, 65 NW 818

In America today the official courts are under "statutory" jurisdiction, which is not a genuine admiralty jurisdiction; it is colorable admiralty jurisdiction which judges are enforcing because the American people are using colorable money. Colorable admiralty jurisdiction is known as "statutory" jurisdiction. "Statutory" jurisdiction is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution and is therefore an unlawful and nonexistent venue.

Now how or by what proof is the Bond phony?

Put Up UTAH or you must shut up! So fare you have backed nothing that you've said.

I can take it!

KYHOOYA said...

to: Seen it in Utah
How's the fact finding going on the this case. As we all know you along with the state dept. and there legal team will be winding down for the holidays and as I can see you have been working as instructed by the FEDS & state of Utah to find as much information on what direction the defence is plaining to take in this case. I see that you taken the stance of injecting dribble in the crowd and hoping the it returns some indication to there plan or to just cause responce and hope it has some info ypu can use, What and snake like posture. I can only hope that by your action that you will some day have it returned. you are a snake that is a fact.
your energetic effort at undermining the foundation of this country will be felt mant times over by your legacy . it is by your own statments that you think that what this is all about for most is greed, Well your wrong. The only greed is by the M.P.T.B in the outrages sums of $$ that your system is raping the Americans and it will leave us a waste land of dispear. You may count yourself as one of the pillars of suport that hold up the values of this nation, but in reality you are at the core of its infestation. left untreated you will cause damage to the stucture, That by the time it is discovered will be to late. The sleeping people of this country will be forced out of there homes as with the complete farming town that had that happen block after block of family forclosed out with no where to go. As you along with the other pests will have What? You say that you are posting to fight the wrong being done here to help save otheres from being taken, Yet you say that you don't want to post something and have someone rebute it. Who are you truly here to help? by your actions it show it is not the helpless or unknowing but it seems more to the above stated PTB.

You are so much at the core of what is wrong in this country and again it will be at the cost of good people and to your profit. If the people wake in time and have anything left to rebuild. its not that I would like something for nothing at all. Its at the great cost of others and myself that a fare market price be put back inplace for a service that is contracted. The banking industry has and is raping there way to a power that will be unmatch, to say and do whatever whenever it wants. I ask you this when there is no more money left and they have all the power there is what then? what will there be as the next step or will that be the end? money, power, control, what then????????? I hope that you sleep well. I here alot of people say that there is a problem but it wont be in there life time that anything realy bad happens, never say never things happen in a blink so as you explote your interest money and help the PTB infest invest infect that you'll some day get to injoy your effort, my hope would be exactly that you live a long, long time and get to enjoy the end resulte of those efforts and all that they bring. again I ask after all the money power , conquest what is there? in your direction whats will you do when you get to the end, because there is just that going in your direction.

KYHOOYA said...

Het :Tinkerbell
So your going to Mexico this mounth huh! Yha Right! If so give me a yell at yackntrack at
hotmail com and maybe we can talk soup there I've got a little place down in Cabo and I'm biulding a new one in the Cany area let me know? I'll try not to spell for you well you there and I'll only use offencive words in spanish Si` se`nor gringo` l8r

P.S. The sameold responces to my post your so easy.... Teacher.. l8r

KYHOOYA said...

hey: Tinkerbell
So your going to Mexico this mounth huh! Yha Right! If so give me a yell at yackntrack at
hotmail com and maybe we can talk soup there I've got a little place down in Cabo and I'm biulding a new one in the Cany area let me know? I'll try not to spell for you well you there and I'll only use offencive words in spanish Si` se`nor gringo` l8r

P.S. The sameold responces to my post your so easy.... Teacher.. l8r

KYHOOYA said...

Het :Tinkerbell
So your going to Mexico this mounth huh! Yha Right! If so give me a yell at yackntrack at
hotmail com and maybe we can talk soup there I've got a little place down in Cabo and I'm biulding a new one in the Cany area let me know? I'll try not to spell for you well you there and I'll only use offencive words in spanish Si` se`nor gringo` l8r

P.S. The sameold responces to my post your so easy.... Teacher.. l8r

getmeoffthisride said...

Mogel - Went to the UCC site but am not sure what they want. I did register my debit card. Where do you go next on the site?

mogel said...

Getmeoffthisride: Send me your email address & I can go from there to help.