Tuesday, February 07, 2006

Mighty Man of Valor

In the Bible, Judges 6, there’s a judge named Gideon. I mention his story to make an important point about victory. Gideon had an army of 32,000 to face an army of 135,000. Not great odds but doable. God in a proper translation was the mighty men of valor the strength of Gideon. He told Gideon the odds are too good, Israel might take credit for themselves. He took his army down to 300. 450 to 1 are not probable odds except with one powerful God who is mighty in valor. Today’s story is a mere repeat. Who would send two undereducated men to face down an army of bankers? Judges, politicians, and the alphabet soup? Only a mighty man of valor would hope to win. I share in His confidence, he’s done it before. Some of you mistake my confidence as arrogance, but by doing so you displace my hope. I don’t believe in false humility; I have great skills. At their peak I still don’t’ like my odds. Like you need a champion, so do I. Mine is mighty in valor and is a proven victor. Is there a glory to call my own in this victory? Only if I was the imagined scoundrel thief of my naysayers. For any honest man who understands the odds God will receive His just glory and we will merely share in the spoils. Consider this at our federal dismissal.

56 comments:

tcob247 said...

Thats a great Bible story Kurt, but the difference between you and him is that God was on Gideon's side.


Son of prophet
You said

"'yes, LORD, please protect my son in the military so he can kill in your name; yes LORD'...."

My son is in Iraq with the 101st Airborne.
Could you pleae tell me how to pray?

neodemes said...

You squirreled away a cache of hated FRN's in Latvia, while His children lost their homes.

He must be very proud of you.

Not.

Do you wear a crown of thorns, too?

you will know them by their fruit said...

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

habakkuk said...

I just realized (as a drama student)that in every drama theres an antagonist...A hostile adversary who is opposed to the truth and the good guys.

Sometimes, in my finite human thinking, I cant comprehend why an all powerfull, loving G-d wont just eliminate human suffering in one swift wave of his arm. But then i remember that He is the G-D of incredible drama. The greatest screenwriters to ever lift a pen can't even come close to the script written by the Almighty. No one can match His special effects either. Thats why G-d tells Gideon (as Kurt points out) to cut his army down to 300....it creates better drama;)

Thats why when Yeshua walked the earth as a man He displayed the character and skills of His Father as a storyteller....a speaker of parables to demonstrate his point. He was a "chip off the old block". Wow!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, G-d Almighty is sticking to His script. We should have faith in HIM that this story is going to have a good ending because every good story does. We at least know what His will and His view on the matter is (Hab 2:6 + countless other scriptures) so why not trust HIM. G-d told the prophet Habakkuk in the Bible "But these things I plan won't happen right away. Slowly, steadily, surely, the time approaches when the vision will be fulfilled. If it seems slow, do not despair, for these things will surely come to pass. Just be patient! They will not be overdue a single day!" (Hab 2:3) G-d also says "...the just shall live by his faith" (Hab2:4)

And why not ignore these antagonists and naysayers on this blog who have CHOSEN their part in this drama. I assume that they know the scriptures just as well as we do but yet they still CHOOSE the wrong side. I never hear them comdemn the acts of the bankers and the evil men who have conspired to enslave multitudes of people thru fraud.

But then i remember again that someone has to be the antagonist, someone has to play the adversary part. Thats why the scriptures shows us G-d's response to conspiring men.... "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh..." )Psalm 2:4). Why? Because He is the scriptwriter and He knows the outcome.

I appreciate that Kurt and Scott are men (not perfect) who have chosen the hardest parts in this drama. But i believe, by faith, that when the curtains finally close they will be rewarded by an overwhelmed audience and the GREAT SCREENWRITER who knew all along that they were perfect for the part.

son of a prophet said...

tcob,

pray that he comes out of the military.

Yeshua has NOTHING to do with killing PERIOD.

This is something one either undertands or one doesnt, but the bible is VERY CLEAR about killing people.

Sorry thats all I can say about it.

Even a cook in the militry is supporting a machine whos sole purpose is to kill.

Im sure there are those who belive that its OK to kill in the name of peace....

"...by peace, he shall make go away many..."

thats the AC's motto.

GR82BMOI said...

Problem is, Kurt the Con Man, you aren’t facing down an army of “bankers, judges, politicians and the alphabet soup.” What you will face is a judge and a prosecutor in a criminal trial (and, oh yeah, a mountain of incriminating evidence). But, hey, if it trips your trigger, you just keep right on with your blasphemous sucking up – 20 to life ought to be long enough to repent.

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

You are a fool and know nothing about scripture.
When time permits I will demonstrate.

tcob247 said...

son of prophet

so yeshua has nothing to do with killing

what about the very person Kurt was talking about, Gideon.
What was God getting him prepared for?
A tea Party?

What about King David?
He killed Goliath and went to war and KILLED many people

What about Moses?
Werent thousands of Egyptians and other enemies KILLED

I could go on and on and on

So are we as a country to bend over and take it in the ASS from terrorists who run planes into our buildings.

Shame on you for denigrading my son who is putting his young life on the line for people like you.

I will pray for his safety and VICTORY (death)over out sworn enemies

yeahrightwhateverz said...

son of a bitch, aka stankfish prime, you offer no value here. You are the cut and paste queen. Go create your own blog and post all the crap you want fuckin LOSER!

Clueless Fudd said...

GR82BMOI said...
Problem is, Kurt the Con Man, you aren’t facing down an army of “bankers, judges, politicians and the alphabet soup.” What you will face is a judge and a prosecutor in a criminal trial (and, oh yeah, a mountain of incriminating evidence). But, hey, if it trips your trigger, you just keep right on with your blasphemous sucking up – 20 to life ought to be long enough to repent.

GR8PE 8pe, GR8PE 8PE

Seen it in Utah said...

To reiterate: If you want to find out more about these "judgments", go to Neo's forum...they talk about them in detail. You call them "administrative judgments with apostille"--I call them worthless crap. You see, these are not taken in any court--no one other than some Dorean peon determines that they are a judgment--and then you try to peddle them overseas! I can hardly catch my breath from laughing. No one will ever pay anyone a dime for this worthless tripe. Go ahead, Byron--share with everyone a link to the actual documents you refer to. They do not withstand any scrutiny. They are garbage that you guys use to keep people in blind hope that there will be money coming. Seems like THAT promise has been going on now for many, many months..and yet--NOTHING!

Now, go ahead and spew your venom and ad hominem attacks as if somehow if you divert the attention from the fact that you cannot give anyone any proof of value of the "judgments", everyone will forget the actual statement that the things are worthless. Instead, make sure you focus on call me names and trying tobe insulting. Ignore everyone who is desperately hoping for some financial help and who actually want to KNOW if you are telling anyone the truth about the worthless paper. Focus on insulting me and callng me names. Go ahead.

son of a prophet said...

I was just waiting for you all to quote from the OLD TESTAMENT.

YEHSUA IS THE NEW TESTAMENT.

YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE ALL YOU WANT.

save your time. I already said, taht you either understand it form the Holy Spirit or you dont.

IF you think that Yeshua has anythng to do with killing, I really feel bad for you.

You too have the cloak of blindness on you.

Dont bother to write on this issue further, as I will not debate it.

go into meditation and prayer that the HS can give you wisdom to interpret scripture properly.

son of a prophet said...

tcob said....


So are we as a country to bend over and take it in the ASS from terrorists who run planes into our buildings.


YOUR GOVT. ARE TERRORISTS

Shame on you for denigrading my son who is putting his young life on the line for people like you.

I AM NOT DENIGRATING ANYONE,JUST BRINGING THE TRUTH.

WHEN ONE BRINGS THE TRUTH AGAINST WHAT EVERYONE MISTAKENLY BELIEVES, ONE MUST TAKE THE HEAT.

YESHUA TOOK THE HEAT FROM THOSE WHO COULD NOT SEE THE TRUTH.

I will pray for his safety and VICTORY (death)over out sworn enemies

YOUR PRAYERS CANNOT OVERRULE WHATH THE BIBLE SAYS.

"THOSE WHO LIVE BY THE SWORD, SHALL PERISH BY IT" (NO EXCEPTIONS-though i am sure that many pastors find excepations for military personnel ie., "those who live by the sword shall perish by it, except those in the military." because in the OT God sanctioned killing, and He did, but Yeshua now superceds the OT; did anyone kill for Yeshua in the NT. NO!

so quote all your OT you want; it doesnt count, but if it makes you happy, keep doing it.

when Yeshua told the apostles that He was going the be killed, the aopostle said that they would not allow it to happen. What did Yeahua say..."get behind thee satan" ie., dont even think about it, killing anyone for Me.


E.O.S.

END OF STORY

mogel said...

Utah said: To reiterate: If you want to find out more about these "judgments", go to Neo's forum...they talk about them in detail.

I'VE BEEN THERE & FIND NO ENLIGHTMENT ON THESE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGMENTS

You call them "administrative judgments with apostille"--I call them worthless crap. You see, these are not taken in any court--

IT'S AN ADMISTRATIVE REMEDY; SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

no one other than some Dorean peon determines that they are a judgment--and then you try to peddle them overseas!

THIS STATEMENT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. A NOTARY NOT AFFILIATED WITH DOREAN AFFIRMS THE DEFAULT OF THE LENDER

I can hardly catch my breath from laughing. No one will ever pay anyone a dime for this worthless tripe.

AGAIN, YOU CAN'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. YOU ARE JUST GUESSING & HOPING FOR A BAD END RESULT. COURSE SHOULD WE EXPECT ANYTHING LESS OF YOU?

Go ahead, Byron--share with everyone a link to the actual documents you refer to.

THIS PROVES RIGHT HERE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE WHOLE PAPER TRAIL & SHOWS YOUR IGNORANCE

They do not withstand any scrutiny. They are garbage that you guys use to keep people in blind hope that there will be money coming. Seems like THAT promise has been going on now for many, many months..and yet--NOTHING!

MANY OF US AREN'T AS IMPATIENT AS YOU. THEY DON'T HOLD ANY SCRUTINY?
DIDN'T THE STATE OF UTAH FILE CHARGES & WERE UNSUCCESSFUL?

Now, go ahead and spew your venom and ad hominem attacks as if somehow if you divert the attention from the fact that you cannot give anyone any proof of value of the "judgments", everyone will forget the actual statement that the things are worthless.

HOW CAN ANYONE FORGET YOU? FOR YOU ARE THE ONE FILLED WITH VENOM. I GAVE PROOF OF VALUE OF THE UCC-1 LIENS FILED IN CA. I'VE GIVEN PROOF OF VALUE OF THE LAWS THAT JUSTIFY THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. I SUPPOSE YOU MISSED THAT TOO.

Instead, make sure you focus on call me names and trying to be insulting.

YOU DO A WELL ENOUGH JOB INSULTING YOURSELF WITHOUT MY EFFORT.

Ignore everyone who is desperately hoping for some financial help and who actually want to KNOW if you are telling anyone the truth about the worthless paper.

I HAVEN'T IGNORED ANYONE, MUCH LESS YOU WHO I COULD FIND GOOD REASONS TO IGNORE.

Focus on insulting me and callng me names. Go ahead.

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT STARTING THE NAME CALLING, OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THIS ALSO?

tcob247 said...

SOP

Yesua's purpose on earth was to DIE for our sins, so obviously he fullfilled that pupose.
Remember the Hymn...
He could have called 10,000 angels, to destroy the world and set him free.
But he died alone for you and me.

SOP

Is your Yeshua the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Who has been and always will be?

How is it that you dismiss the God of the Old Testiment?

Oh yes
I am blinded because YOUR holy Spirit is not speaking to me.

I stand by my statement
SHAME ON YOU

hockeydonn said...
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hockeydonn said...

TACO,

I have to admit. Other than your profanity I simply have to agree with you. I only hope that your truly honorable son will survive the tyranny that he is forced to inflict on our humanity. I do not think he should be held responsible. I think those who inappropriately use his nobility to advance an unrighteous cause against humanity should be held accountable.

You see, I am prior military too. I take great offense (which I need to not except, but get over) to those who take advantage of the use of the good men and women (who in their mind are fighting for the freedom that our founding fathers bled and died to offer to us) to advance a position that enslaves those very same good men and women. Not to mention the posterity of those same men and women.

Even though I still think your an idiot :o) I know it is a sacrifice for you to have a son in that position. Thank You for that sacrifice.



Dear Utah:

I am in receipt of your latest post. Be advised that I conditionally accept your offer and return your offer in exchange for closure and settlement of this accounting.

It appears that an error has been made as it does not appear that you provided any proof of your claim that our Administrative Remedies are "worthless crap".

Please provide the following documentation so that I may settle this matter as soon as possible:

1. Precedent that establishes that "these are not taken in any court".

2. Precedent that establishes that "no one other than some Dorean peon determines that they are a judgment--and then [we] try to peddle them overseas".

3. Precedent that establishes that "no one will ever pay anyone a dime for this worthless tripe".

4. Precedent that establishes that "They do not withstand any scrutiny".

5. Precedent that establishes that "They are garbage that [we] guys use to keep people in blind hope that there will be money coming".


Please understand that I am not requesting you to provide me with your opinion or the opinion of others. This is a request to provide proof of you claim so that I can promptly issue any tender to satisfy any debt that I have with you.

Not responding with the essential requested documentation, or remaining silent, is your agreement that no debt is owed to you and that you are to cease and desist all further harassments with regard to this matter.

NOTICE TO AGENT (JRB,NEO,TACO,NEO etc.) IS NOTICE TO PRINCIPLE. NOTICE TO PRINCIPLE IS NOTICE TO AGENT (JRB,NEO,TACO,NEO etc.)

Regards,

hockeydonn said...

Kinda Cute don't you think?

habakkuk said...

Hockeydonn,

I really like your approach....very clever;)

son of a prophet said...

SOP

Is your Yeshua the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Who has been and always will be?


YES. THE SAME ONE.

How is it that you dismiss the God of the Old Testiment?


I DO NOT 'DISMISS' THE OT, BUT FOR CHRISTIAN TODAY IT IS MERELY HISTORICAL ACCOUNT.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD STILL BE MAKING ANIMAL SACRIFICES??

YESHUA CAME TO DIE FOR US, TRUE, AND IF WE WOULD BE EXACTLY LIKE HIM, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING.

TAKE 'CHRISTIAN' CHURHCES TODAY, THEY DONT DO ANYTHING BIBLICAL.

THEY PREACH TO THE ELECT.

IF THEY WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE, LET THEM GO INTO A SYNAGOGUE AND PREACH TO JEWS, AND THEN GET THROW OUT, AND THEN GO BACK, AND THEN GET THROWN OUT AND POSSIBLY ARRESTED AND KEEP GONG BACK ETC. ETC. ETC.

THIS IS WHAT YESHUA WOULD HAVE DONE.

BUT DO CHURCHES TODAY DO THIS???

THEY ARE ALL FALSE CHURCHES, AND THIS IS WHY THEY WILL BE GIVEN OVER TO SATAN. NO TRUTH IN THEM.

--------------------------

THE MILITARY CANNOT ENSLAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD NOT LET THEM. YOU CAN JUST SAY NO. NO EXCUSES.

MOST JOIN BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY WNAT GLORY, OR ENJOY KILLING AND WONT ADIMIT IT EVEN TO THEMSELFVES.

I BRING THE TRUTH AND I EXPECT TO TAKE THE HEAT. (HATE)

ITS OK, I CAN TAKE IT.

ANYONE WHO BRINGS TRUTH MUST EXPECT THIS AS YESHUA DID.

"REMEMBER, THAT WHEN THEY HATE YOU, THAT THEY HATED ME FIRST."

AND THE HATE IS PERPETUATED BY ALL THE FALSE CHURCHES THAT TEACH THAT ITS OK TO KILL IN YESHUAS NAME. (IE, THE MILITARY)

BUT THATS OK, THEIR DAY IS COMING FOR ALL THEIR HERESY. THESE FALSE CHURCHS WILL GO DOWN ONE BY ONE.

"THEIR SOUL IS NOT UPRIGHT, THERE IS SIMPLY NO TRUTH IN THEM"

mogel said...

Nemo said: "You squirreled away a cache of hated FRN's in Latvia, while His children lost their homes."

Nemo let's be fair & not forget that the FBI sezied $300,000 in 4 different bank accounts prior to the accounts overseas being set up. If such an oversees action was a protection from government's unlawful seizure, it doesn't constite "squireling" away funds. Again those losing their homes, is also a reflection of the bad behaviour of the banks & government. Your judgment is being aimed at the wrong culprits.

hockeydonn said...

Thank you, habakkuk, that is a very nice thing for you to say.

hockeydonn said...

SOP,

This is why it is best not to just cut and paste my friend.

I have read over and over the articles and "great prophecies" that you cut and paste all the time.

Recall, those who are enslaved by this new world order are enslaved because they do not know it. Of course we would hope that when we learn of this that we would all stand up and give in no more to the lies and deceits of the adversary. However, as we have observed from this forum, not all are going to be willing to take that step even when the scheme is exposed right in front of their face.

So, there must be a judge of heart and intent in this matter because you and I are not able to do that right. Right.

Ok, so since you and I are not able to do that and we both "profess" to believe in YESHUA/Christ, we must allow him to be that judge right. Right.

That means that of us it is required to forgive all men right. Right.

Now, I choose to not take judgment in this situation with regard to the military. However, you seem to feel that this power/right/authority has been transferred from Yeshua/Christ to yourself.

Further, you seem to think that we Yeshua/Christ said "take up thy cross and follow me" he did not mean to work towards emulating his character (or becoming like him). I feel your statements obviously have some truth in them because it is true that our calling is not the same as Yeshua/Christ. However, I don't think that Yeshua/Christ meant follow me to the grocery store or follow me to the temple so that you can see me turn over the tables of the moneychangers. I think he meant that he wanted us to become like him in character.

Since you have mingled the philosophies of men with scripture you "prophecies" seem a little out of sync with the teachings of Yeshua/Christ. Please enlighten me on this. Your words have confused me and you know where confusion comes from right. Right.

Taco, don't get used to me agreeing with you ;)

son of a prophet said...

hockey donn...

I judge no one. I simply bring the truth. If that condems someone, so be it.

It is because the truth is painful tht no one is willing to bring it.

Im sorry, but the military is not excused.

I feel bad for those who are blinded and think its OK to kill and tht they belive the churches that tell them so.

Nonetheless, truth will come out, but it will not be pleasenst.

-----------------------------

what is the purpose of killing??

to bring peace??

but Yeshua said taht there can be NO PEACE till He comes.

so he who would kill as a Christian obviously doesnt believe this, so why should I give them any credit to being a Christian?

so what are we trying to accomplicsh?

you don t want to hear that killing is satans tool.

truth hurts, i know.

hockeydonn said...

Thank you for your wisdom.

"MOST JOIN BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY WNAT GLORY, OR ENJOY KILLING AND WONT ADIMIT IT EVEN TO THEMSELFVES."

In these words you clearly give the impression that you personally know "most" of the people in the military. Even if you knew 100,000 of these men and women, you would not know the majority right. Right.

Therefore, it is clear that you have taken the position of knowing "most" of the military. You have placed a mantle of authority on yourself to have power to judge on these individual as to the intent of there joining the military right. Right.

Further, you have made the false emplication that you know the intent of the hearts of the men and women in the military to advance your position and falsify your case right. Right.

You have been caught in a lie. Telling a lie is the opposite of telling the truth right. Right.

If one "professes" to only want to reveal the "truth" and then proceeds to tell his "truth" which contains lies, he must not be as honest as he professes right. Right.

In addition, I also believe that it is not a good thing for killing to take place. Since I believe that is has been taught that we shall not kill.

However, is not Yeshua/Christ the same yesterday today and forever. And isn't it true that he is bound be his own laws, yesterday, today, and forever. And is is not true that we have not always been commanded to live his higher law that remains the same yesterday, today and forever. I think that you will agree with that right. Right.

OK, well if Yeshua/Christ does not abide by any other law than the law that has been yesterday, today and forever and there is no time to kill. Then how is it that we read of his commandments to carry out such acts in the old testiment. Surly Yeshua/Christ abides by his own laws yesterday, today and forever right.Right.

Maybe the problem lies in our interpretation of the word Kill. After all, the bible has been translated 40 some times right. Right. Of course, someone could have a direct transcribed copy of all the scrolls but that's not likely right. Right.

But, wait, someone could have read the scrolls themselves and got the correct interpretation right. Ah, tricked ya, Not likly.

I think that maybe the correct interpretation of the word kill is murder. Now both of these words have great similarities right. Right. The loss of life occures in both right. Right. But the intent it very different.

I could be wrong in this SOP, but it's not likely right. Right

Please do not get realy upset. I know that the truth hurts sometimes. But, we are all neneva right. Right. If his atonement is good enough for me. It has got to be good enough for you.

tcob247 said...

hockeydonn

I agree wwith you
(don't get used to it..LOL)

Be careful because the Holy Spirit speaks directly to SOP and gives him the proper interpretation of scripture. He is the ONLY one that can be right on any subject pertaining to Yeshua

I wouldnt want you to get cancer....OH....that was someone else

My bad

By the way Hockeydon
Thank you for your years of service.

This is a great country that we live in that allows us to think differently and disagree

hockeydonn said...

Incidentally,

NO MAN HAS THE POWER TO CONDEMN ANOTHER.

SOP, you are continually usurping authority that is clearly outside your bounds. NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS.

hockeydonn said...

Taco,

I truly believe that SOP wants to do good. I believe that we all want that. For what it is worth, I would be cautious in criticizing those who are trying to listen to the voice of truth.

Just because SOP, me, or you or the rest of us fools on this forum may say things that clearly is not solely the voice of that spirit at times does not mean that we are evil doers and out to get every one. True, our hearts are not always right. But, why do we seem to only consider the faults in others when we clearly have some of our own. This I am guilty of at times.

Now, doesn’t it make more sense to carry on a conversation this way rather than the name calling and senseless come back that we all seem to partake in in one form or another.

I TOLD YOU NOT TO GET TOO COMFORTABLE

wantobefree said...

TCOB Im proud of what your son is doing for us,but what is he really in the airbourne for to pay for his college education or really doing it for are freedom.Would this kids really risk their lives if they knew it was all for CORP. GREED.As far as im concerned we are losing are freedom more everyday.

hockeydonn said...

I can honestly say that I went into the military for the money. I was young and inexperienced. As I went through my military experience I gained not only what it truely means to serve my country. I also learn that I was not serving my country in the military. I truly believe that the majority of the people I asociated with in the military felt the same. However, many did not come to the realization that what the were doing was in fact aiding the cause they thought they were fighting against. I Love Them in their ignorance.

son of a prophet said...

hey, guys...

use wahtever scripture you feel the need to use to justify killing.

just remeber the same scripture when judgment day comes...

you'll need it then....

you tell Yeshua why YOU thought that it was OK to kill...


good luck...

you'll need it!

hockeydonn said...

Thanks for the encouragement SOP.
I hope that you will find the same happiness in your interpretations also.

CHOW

son of a prophet said...

also,

interpreting scripture correctly give predictive power..

which means taht I know that this "war on terrorism' cannot be won....

so, you interpret incorrctly, which means that you agree with the govt. that it can be won...

that means that 5-10n years form now, if we are all sitll here, you will still think it can be won and we will still be fighting it.

at what point do you concede that it cant be won and you were wrong....


how many more 0000's must die...


will the light bulb ever go off????

i know that this war cannot be won and feel bad for the blind who believe the govt. and the churches who tell them that it can....


dont blame anyone but yourself for your son or anyone else getting killed in war...take responsiblty and admit that you were wrong and only then will you see the light...

yeahrightwhateverz said...

Hey false prophet, your holy war blog is empty, go fill it with your own interpretations and predictions. AS USUAL, YOU ARE WAY OFF TOPIC!

Peanut Gallery said...

tcob,

Don't waste your time the SOP. His lack of scriptural knowledge will prevent him from listening to you.

"Cast not your pearls before swine"

I have challenged him many times to answer the simplest of questions.
His retort is that"the spirit reveals the truth to him" and he need not waste his time on us , because we are not worthy. I cat argue his twisted belief point by point, but why? He will ignore it anyway.

His ignorance of the simplest precepts are atounding. For example,

I DO NOT 'DISMISS' THE OT, BUT FOR CHRISTIAN TODAY IT IS MERELY HISTORICAL ACCOUNT.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD STILL BE MAKING ANIMAL SACRIFICES??

The reason that sacrifices can not be made today is because it is a sin, a violation of Torah, to sacrifice outside of the temple. Last I checked the temple was destroyed around 70 A.D. BTW the first believers DID sacrifice until the temple was destryed.

He is also obviously confused about the commandment of killing. The commandment is "you shall not MURDER"

I could go on and on, but why? A fool can not be shown wisdom.

hockeydonn said...

Dangit I thought I made myself perfectly clear. Ok, Here goes nothin'.

YOUR RIGHT SOP, THIS WAR CAN'T BE WON. THERE IS NOTHING TO CONCEDE BECAUSE I DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

Again, I do not believe that it is OK to just kill. However, I do not believe that the word kill, as used in the ten commandments, simply means to take life. I believe that it means murder which clearly means that it would take a judge to determine if that occured which clearly you are not. It seems that in your mind judgement day has already come because you said so.

Again, you are right that interpretation matters and you have clearly made that evident in the your last post. Your interpretations of what has been said on this blog are again wrong. If you truly were a prophet you would realize that the prophets did/do not just climb to the top of a mountain and cry repentance to people in hopes that they will recieve some glory and everyone will sometime in the moment or in the future revear them. Climb down from your mountain and forget yourself.

I never said that the people in the military were not working for a feudal cause. I am simply saying that to judge them is wrong. Esspecially when your interpretation of what they are not supposed to be doing is wrong. You are not the judge. Stop wishing that you were. That's not a prophets role.

YOU ARE NOT CALLED TO RECIEVE REVELATION ON THEIR BEHALF. YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A FALSE PROPHET.

False prophets come in many shapes and forms, but the ones that cause the most confusion are the ones who carry the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.

Face it SOP you just might be wrong.

hockeydonn said...

I posted before I read the new posts of others.

Are you guys saying that sacrifices are not conducted anymore because the temple is destoryed? I always thought that there was no need to offer sacrifices like in the OT because the reason that we gave them was because the ultimate sacrifice had not yet been given (atonement). Now that the saviour has atoned for our sins sacrifices of the old type are no longer required.

Your Thoughts.

(I mean no argument, just inquiry)

hockeydonn said...

Anyway, I know we are off topic for this blog. Or, are we?

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP said,

you tell Yeshua why YOU thought that it was OK to kill...

Hey, you tell Yeshua why it was O.K. to disobey HIS commandments. Good luck, you'll need it.

BTW quit using the the name Yeshua, it is offensive to me because you don't follow a Jewish Yeshua, you follow a Greek Jesus.

tcob247 said...

OK
I give up
It is pointless to keep posting

Here is what I know to be sure for me

I am just a sinner saved by grace
I make many mistakes
I am by no means right all the time
I learn from the University of failure
I love my country
I'm not a big fan of Government
I'm not a big fan of Banks

You all have a nice day
I'm done posting (I'm sure you are thrilled)
I will watch the blog from time to time

I have a life to live and I've wasted a whole bunch of it on here
Godspeed

Clueless Fudd said...

tcob247 said...
OK
I give up
It is pointless to keep posting

Here is what I know to be sure for me

I am just a sinner saved by grace
I make many mistakes
I am by no means right all the time
I learn from the University of failure
I love my country
I'm not a big fan of Government
I'm not a big fan of Banks

You all have a nice day
I'm done posting (I'm sure you are thrilled)
I will watch the blog from time to time

I have a life to live and I've wasted a whole bunch of it on here
Godspeed

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, fuck-face.

Peanut Gallery said...

I for one am sorry to see tcob go. He was one of the few here that saw through SOP's idiocy.

tcob247 said...

clueless

thanks farrell

i love you too

i will miss you

great parting shot by you

as always
so eloquent

out

Gforce said...

Kurt---I love the odds against us. Since God is for us, who(or how ever many) could possibly be against us? One of us can put a thousand to flight and two can put ten thousand to flight.

Clueless Fudd said...

tcob247 said...
clueless

thanks farrell

i love you too

i will miss you

great parting shot by you

Even though I don't know "farrel" but do know of "farrel", I really like this guy. He has seen right through you long before the rest of us did on this blog, and he had you pegged for the idiot you are, so latah, fuck-face

as always
so eloquent

out

wantobefree said...

Clueless fudd you are clueless,I think your getting this blog mixed up with a porn site with your foul mouth.This site is here to find out whats going on with the money it seems we got scammed out of from the Dorean group or atleast i think it is, maybe its getting over run by children playing with parents pc.There now get a CLUE.

Clueless Fudd said...

wantobefree said...
This site is here to find out whats going on with the money it seems we got scammed out of from the Dorean group

Really? This is why this site was created, heh fuck-face? You'd better read the title of this blog, you fucking moron.

neodemes said...

Title: Mortgage Fraud

You're right, pud.

Mortgage Elimination Fraud would have been more fitting.

Thanks for pointing that out.

you will know them by their fruit said...

To Mogel and the others mislead and misleading.

I know this is difficult for you guys as many of you have involved family and friends in this scam. And now they are blaming you for everything they have lost and are going to lose.

I hope, for your sake, that you eventually recognize Kurt's fruit before it costs you everything.

MONEY IS NOT IMPORTANT, especially where your salvation is concerned.

Your hearts are fighting the wrong battle:

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon” (Matthew 6:19-24).

Heb 13:5 (RSV) "Keep your life free from the love of money, and be content with what you have."

The Dorean Process has ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT MONEY. You guys view victory in the money and the homes you can posess "free and clear".


1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.

Boy does that sum up the Dorean story.

Everything is on the table.

Luke 9:25 (NIV) "What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet lose or forfeit his very self?"


You want to use scripture to support your scam but it contradicts your message at every turn.

He who has ears let him hear!

mogel said...

Fruity one said: "MONEY IS NOT IMPORTANT, especially where your salvation is concerned"

THERE YOU GO AGAIN PRETENDING TO BE JESUS, THE JUDGE OF ALL. DON'T YOU SEE HOW OFFENSIVE THAT IS? OBVIOUSLY NOT.

I BELIEVE THE DOREAN PROCESS TO BE A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE. YOU SAY THAT MY ETERNAL SALVATION IS IN JEOPARDY BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THIS. NO MERCIFUL OR JUST GOD WOULD CONDEMN ME WHEN MY HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. YOUR SENSE OF JUSTICE & MERCY IS AS PERVERTED AS YOUR VAIN RAMBLINGS.

I WOULD SAY PROPHESYING OF CANCER COMING UPON SOMEONE ISN'T NOTHING COMPARED TO YOUR FALSE PROPHESY OF ME & OTHER SUPPORTERS LOSING EVERYTHING.

YOU ARE SO PATHETIC. YOUR HOLIER THAN THOU ATTITUDE IS WHY MANY PEOPLE TURN AWAY FROM RELIGION WITH A SOUR TASTE IN THEIR MOUTH. CAN'T WAIT TILL YOU HAVE TO EAT ALL OF YOUR VAIN AND WORTHLESS WORDS & FALSE JUDGMENTS. HOW WILL YOU FEEL THEN?

mogel said...

Fruity one said: "To Mogel and the others mislead and misleading.

I know this is difficult for you guys as many of you have involved family and friends in this scam. And now they are blaming you for everything they have lost and are going to lose."

LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT DUE TO YOUR STUPIDITY & FALSE CLAIMS. NO ONE IS BLAMING ME FOR ANYTHING THEY HAVE LOST, & I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CLIENTS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR HOMES WHO CAME INTO THE PROGRAM WITH ME & SURELY NOT FAMILY OR FRIENDS BECAUSE THOSE THAT CAME INTO THE PROGRAM WERE ALL NEW ACQUAINTANCES. SO DON'T INCLUDE ME IN YOUR STUPID & UNINFORMED CHARGES. IF YOU TRULY WERE A CHRISTIAN, YOU WOULD APOLOGIZE FOR BEING WRONG IN YOUR SLANDEROUS ACCUSATIONS.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN, "AND ARE GOING TO LOSE". IS THAT A CURSE THAT YOU HAVE WISHED UPON OTHERS? OR IS THIS ANOTHER FALSE PROPHESY OF YOURS? ARE YOU USUALLY THIS NEGATIVE? HAS IT EVER OCCURRED TO YOU THAT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS MISLEAD OR IS PRIDE YOUR FAVORITE WEAKNESS? MAYBE YOU WANT TO QUOTE ANOTHER SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT TO MAKE MY STOMACH TURN AGAIN.

you will know them by their fruit said...

To Mogel and the others mislead and misleading.

I know this is difficult for you guys as many of you have involved family and friends in this scam. And now they are blaming you for everything they have lost and are going to lose.

I hope, for your sake, that you eventually recognize Kurt's fruit before it costs you everything.

MONEY IS NOT IMPORTANT, especially where your salvation is concerned.

Your hearts are fighting the wrong battle:

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon” (Matthew 6:19-24).

Heb 13:5 (RSV) "Keep your life free from the love of money, and be content with what you have."

The Dorean Process has ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT MONEY. You guys view victory in the money and the homes you can posess "free and clear".


1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.

Boy does that sum up the Dorean story.

Everything is on the table.

Luke 9:25 (NIV) "What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet lose or forfeit his very self?"


You want to use scripture to support your scam but it contradicts your message at every turn.

He who has ears let him hear!

neodemes said...

So, moogey only enticed strangers to risk their homes, not his own (if he has one) and not his family and friends?

How nice.

Seen it in Utah said...

Have you guys noticed how defensive and bitter moogey seems these days? Maybe he was reading what our friend Notorial Dissent was pointing out on the REI forum just yesterday:

quote="notorial dissent"]What Moogey and the rest of the vapor brains are going on about tonight are the UCC-1's that the boys filed in CA, and have since transfered to good old Dougy over in Latvia. This just further proves that Moogey et al don't have clue one about what they are carrying on over.

They are now convinced that between the UCC-1's and the "defaulted" presentments that they have "judgements" that they can in turn sell for money, and Dougy is playing along with them. They haven't got a clue as to what a real judgement is so they are swallowing this toad whole. Moogey is of course the cheer leader in chief. I still can't decide if he is just dumber than a box of rocks and actually believes all this or is actually in on the scam himself, and I keep wondering where Flea and Santaremo are hiding these days. The main thing is that these are not logical or even remotely rational people anymore and trying to deal with them like they are is a bad mistake.

I am pretty sure there is another bit of scam in there somewhere, but haven't figured it out yet.

This is also the crew who believes that just because Utah withdrew their lesser charges in favor of the bigger Fed charges that this was somehow a great victory, and that the next thing will be the Feds rolling over and admitting defeat and the boys will be exhonerated and the banking system will come crashing down. These people have a whole new and unregistered area code somewhere out there in serious looney land.[/quote]

This could be causing him some unhappiness.

mogel said...

Fruity One: The Dorean process is not about getting something for nothing or ONLY ABOUT MONEY as you say. It is about justice as described here:

Lender violated 12 CFR226.17(c)(1) of the Truth in Lending Law by failing to disclose the legal obligation of returning defendant's deposit. Final demand has been made and there has been a refusal to pay.

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