Monday, February 06, 2006

A New Hope

I could see many of you delighted by the news of Utah. Even I said “YEAH! 10 felonies down, 46 to go.” Enjoy this new hope for what it is but realize I just survived a knife fight to enter a gun fight. The best part of this is the funnel of crap which was broad in accusation now focused us down to that fulcrum where history pivots. Our enemy is just as aware of the severity of this battle even though they expose their naivety to the actual pain that is involved. Like these modern kids who brandish weapons like videogame heroes they have no concept of blood, pain, death or life. They have brought their best weapons to the game because the token has been dropped, the rules understood, and they are ready to play. Our greatest weapon is their oblivion to the real life that will explode the realities of their fiction. It is a very tough thing to keep your head about yourself when standing in the full blown euphoria of Disney Land. All the colors and animations are about to sweep over us and it is one thing to be stained and quite another to change your character to the environment. Here is where truth and its resolve separate true hope from grandiose idealism. We have wrought a small victory, not by battle but attrition. The weapon will flail from this point. Vigilance in prayer and faith is not relaxed but increased at this time. My level of preparedness is appropriate for the battle conditions. Nothing about Utah is relevant. The phalanx which absorbs and destroys by the natural behavior of the enemy has been displayed. All I need is government to be itself. What do you think my chances are? Can a leopard change its spots?

63 comments:

neodemes said...

" What do you think my chances are? Can a leopard change its spots?"

Based on what I have seen from your past performance? No.

Solvo said...

Speaking of Utah, what ever happened to "Seen it in Utah"? Didn't this person state that Utah had a solid case and that they were going to have "first crack" at "the boys"?

Hmmm, guess he/she is running away with their tail between there legs in submissive disgust.

kaycee said...

I am keeping the faith in you Kurt and Scott, because I know there is fraud and corruption from these people and it is time for it to be exposed. This government is completely out of control, with their illegal wiretaps, leaking undercover CIA names, going into war under false pretenses resulting in more than 2300 American soldier deaths, arresting Americans for wearing T-shirts with anti-Bush messages...the list goes on. I believe more and more people are becoming aware, but few are willing to sacrifice what Kurt and Scott have. I will continue to do what I can, and I will continue to keep faith in this process.

son of a prophet said...

Now that we know that al-qiznos really exist, after zachas moosawi blurted out in the courtroom that he is a member of the submarine sandwich chain, we should all now email our congs and senators and tell them to spy all they want on citizens. perhaps they should even monitor this board for al-quiznos.

moosawi admitting that he is with al-quiznos is like a thief admitting he is a thief...it just dont happen....


wonder how many months of PSYOPs/torture it took to get him to blurt this out in the courtroom.

PSYOPs def./ military Psychlogical Operations; ie., torture under a different name

WillToFight said...

The phalanx which absorbs and destroys by the natural behavior of the enemy has been displayed. All I need is government to be itself. What do you think my chances are? Can a leopard change its spots?

Not to count my chickens, but, Sounds like a victory to me Kurt!

WillToFight said...

Solvo said...

Speaking of Utah, what ever happened to "Seen it in Utah"? Didn't this person state that Utah had a solid case and that they were going to have "first crack" at "the boys"?

Hey Solvo you know how it goes. The propaganda matrix at work!

Neodemesassface is still tring. He just hates and hates and hates. I really do want to me him someday. No, I take that back, I would not harm anyone!

WillToFight said...

SOP said

wonder how many months of PSYOPs/torture it took to get him to blurt this out in the courtroom.

WillToFight:

That is your good tax FRNs at work!

mogel said...

An interesting website to look at:

http://www.msfraud.org/howtheysteal.html

Seen it in Utah said...

I'm here. I have tried to post, but for some reason my posts disappear quickly after they show up. Seems like I'm being censored. I guess cowards with a lot to hide don't want to have me shine a light under their rocks. I am interested to see if this post stays--it probably will since I am saying nothing that scares the Dorean cowards.

w said...

mogel you didnt answer the post,

mogel said: "If the process is legal, the administrative judgments are valuable & can be sold for value"

um, we were told the sale of the administrative judgements did not hinge on the outcome of the courts decision in any way.

Are you now suggesting that the reason for the holdup is that the judgements can not be sold unless all of the charges are dropped?

habakkuk said...

W,
Thats a very good question which no one seems to want to answer.

yeahrightwhateverz said...

w, Ive said this before, the answer is NO!

The crux of the problem is that NO ONE is getting a free lunch while Kurt is in jail PERIOD. Why should anyone benefit while he has to sit in jail? Sorry to say, you might as well sit back and relax cause it aint happening anytime soon as they would like you to believe.

The REAL question is, how much money was Doug Cameron able to generate for FMT with these 300 plus UCC1 assignments while people where still losing their homes?

down but not out said...

Seen in Utah said,
I'm here. I have tried to post, but for some reason my posts disappear quickly after they show up. Seems like I'm being censored. I guess cowards with a lot to hide don't want to have me shine a light under their rocks.

What a load of crapola.
Hey Einstein, you are the only one who can remove your own post. Besides, have you not read all the other negative comments about Dorean on the blog?
Come on ,post some of the "light" of which you speak.

If you are so sure that you are being censored, start your own light shining blog , where you have complete control,and direct us to it.

Come on and let the little light shine...LOL

son of a prophet said...

spying on citizens??



WAIT!!!

IT GET WORSE!

Govt. can say youre al-quiznos, and TAKE YOU OUT!







Newsweek

Feb. 13, 2006 issue





- In the latest twist in the debate over presidential powers, a Justice Department official suggested that in certain circumstances, the president might have the power to order the killing of terrorist suspects inside the United States. Steven Bradbury, acting head of the department's Office of Legal Counsel, went to a closed-door Senate intelligence committee meeting last week to defend President George W. Bush's surveillance program. During the briefing, said administration and Capitol Hill officials (who declined to be identified because the session was private), California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein asked Bradbury questions about the extent of presidential powers to fight Al Qaeda; could Bush, for instance, order the killing of a Qaeda suspect known to be on U.S. soil? Bradbury replied that he believed Bush could indeed do this, at least in certain circumstances.

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Current and former government officials said they could think of several scenarios in which a president might consider ordering the killing of a terror suspect inside the United States. One former official noted that before Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania, top administration officials weighed shooting down the aircraft if it got too close to Washington, D.C. What if the president had strong evidence that a Qaeda suspect was holed up with a dirty bomb and was about to attack? University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein says the post-9/11 congressional resolution authorizing the use of military force against Al Qaeda empowered the president to kill 9/11 perpetrators, or people who assisted their plot, whether they were overseas or inside the United States. On the other hand, Sunstein says, the president would be on less solid legal ground were he to order the killing of a terror suspect in the United States who was not actively preparing an attack.

A Justice Department official, who asked not to be ID'd because of the sensitive subject, said Bradbury's remarks were made during an "academic discussion" of theoretical contingencies. In real life, the official said, the highest priority of those hunting a terrorist on U.S. soil would be to capture that person alive and interrogate him. At a public intel-committee hearing, Feinstein was told by intel czar John Negroponte and FBI chief Robert Mueller that they were unaware of any case in which a U.S. agency was authorized to kill a Qaeda-linked person on U.S. soil. Tasia Scolinos, a Justice Department spokeswoman, told NEWSWEEK: "Mr. Bradbury's meeting was an informal, off-the-record briefing about the legal analysis behind the president's terrorist-surveillance program. He was not presenting the legal views of the Justice Department on hypothetical scenarios outside of the terrorist-surveillance program."

—Mark Hosenball

© 2006 Newsweek, Inc.

mogel said...

W said: "Are you now suggesting that the reason for the holdup is that the judgements can not be sold unless all of the charges are dropped?"

A buyer of something whether it be real estate, notes, debt instruments, judgments, might include in his offer certain conditions.

I am not aware of what those conditions are. We were told that there were interested Buyers back in Spring 2005. I just suggested that maybe the condition that all criminal charges be dropped as a possible condition to have the Buyer close on these judgments. If you were a potential Buyer of these judgments, you might be leery in buying these if the process was declared illegal by the Courts & that could be used as a reason to void these judgments being collected upon.

I think the reason for the hold out is to tie up any loose ends, prevent any problems down the road, & to maximize the value that these judgments can be sold for. Which means the holdup is to every client's benefit in the long run.

down but not out said...

Wait SOP,
Aren't you one the persons on this blog that said not to trust what was said by the mainstream media? Or is that only if it suits your agenda.

Seen it in Utah said...

Down & Out: I expected something like that. I posted last weekend twice and both posts were taken out. So, stuff it.

son of a prophet said...

dbno said....



Wait SOP,
Aren't you one the persons on this blog that said not to trust what was said by the mainstream media? Or is that only if it suits your agenda.



SOaP said....


even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while.

who said anything about trusting the media? they are not to be trusted.

BUT, this does not mean that everything that they say is untrue.

the best propaganda is propaganda mixed with improper-ganda; ie., sprinkle lies in with the truth.

this forces those with discernment to sift what is fact from what is fiction. most will recognize some truth and then assume that all contained in an article must be true also. thats when they got ya!

.

Solvo said...

Seen it in Utah said...
Down & Out: I expected something like that. I posted last weekend twice and both posts were taken out. So, stuff it.

No one has the ability to delete posts, and if Kurt has the ability, he'd be the last person, as he welcomes ALL detractors, so you stuff it!

Solvo said...

Seen it in Utah said...
I'm here. I guess cowards with a lot to hide don't want to have me shine a light under their rocks.

The stage is yours sweetheart, shine away......

down but not out said...

utah,

Seems you are not having any trouble posting now. Come on then, shine away, we are all anxiously awaiting.. LOL

mogel said...

Utah said: "I expected something like that. I posted last weekend twice and both posts were taken out. So, stuff it."

So why don't you post again? If you do & it gets posted then you must admit that you truly are paranoid & must come up with another explanation.

What was the extremely urgent points that went censored that you needed to share that might make the Doreanites come out from under their rocks oh shining one?

Seen it in Utah said...

I just wanted to point out again that the followers of the two imprisoned and malignant prophets are clearly deranged. That's all.

Remember--cancer to you if you preach against the new messiahs.

down but not out said...

Utah,

As suspected, and expected from you. Nothing of substance. And you have the gall to call K and S and others on this blog liars. Look in the mirror my amigo.

tcob247 said...

down and out....

Where is your substance?

By the way

Kurt and Scott ARE Liars!!!!!!!!

(Proven process....thousands of successes)

CROCK

down but not out said...

tcob,

Where is my substance? Did you even bother to read the last few posts? Ask Utah where his substance is. He is making claims of censorship, he is making claims of having light to shine.When asked to show us the light,he runs away and calls names. That is my substance. CROCK

Peanut Gallery said...

kaycee said,

This government is completely out of control, with their illegal wiretaps, leaking undercover CIA names, going into war under false pretenses resulting in more than 2300 American soldier deaths, arresting Americans for wearing T-shirts with anti-Bush messages.

Don't let your leftist hatred for Bush confuse the facts.

kaycee, you are a fool to believe there where no WMD's. Because of the farting around of the U.N. they were safely moved to Syria before the war.

Did you get outraged when Clinton used the same executive power to do the exact same thing during peacetime? He used wiretaps and IRS audits on his political enemies. Remember all the files they had in their possesion? Probably not.

Where you as outraged when we sent troops to Bosnia, without a congressional vote(the mother of all illegal wars)Those troops are still there,eight years after Clinton said they would be brought home.

Where you as outraged when Janet ElReno's justice dept. descended on the Waco compound and slaoughtered 100's of innocent men, women , and children?

Or when she sent the FBI to Ruby Ridge to murder a mans family. They shot a mother through the head as she was holding a baby..nice.

Do you blame the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, the Kovar Towers, the African Embassies, the 1st World Trade Center on a massive conspiracy by the Clinton administration? Probably not. These kind of things have only been happening since Bush, right?

As far as Cindy Sheehans so called arrest. Are you aware that a congressmans wife was also asked to leave the State of the Union address for wearing a pro Bush T-shirt. The reason she was not arrested is because she unlike Shehan complied. You are foolish to think that Shehan was there just to watch the Address. She was there to cause a ruckus for the media.

Again, don't let your hatred for Bush cloud your recollection of past events.

TACO, I am beginning to agree with you, what a bunch of banana's

son of a prophet said...

BTW-

for anyone curious....


I am neither pro-bush or anti-bush.

I am neither democrat nor republican.

As a matter of fact, I do not even vote. Govt. is/has been/always will be corrupt.

does an entity called 'al-quaida' exist?

I dont know.

are there arab muslims who want to kill americans?

absolutely.

they also have the cloak of blindness on them to the truth.

those evils and many more exist; this IS satans kingdom...for either side to think that they can defeat the other is folly. but the killing goes on and those foolish enough to believe that they can make a difference or win keep getting killed as 'those who live by the sword shall also perish by it.' this applies to the military soldiers as well.

amazing how many churhces have prayers to protect the military.

'yes, LORD, please protect my son in the military so he can kill in your name; yes LORD'....

many would take offense to that statement which just shows that they dont have a CLUE as to what Yeshua is all aoubt. nope, not even a sniff.

---------------------------------

and all this nonsense about inflaming muslims about cartoons...they know what this is going to cause, and yet they do it, as the object is to ignite WWIII with muslims vs. christians/jews

you will know them by their fruit said...

Mogel,

I'll give this a try but you may be too far gone for this to even come close to sinking in (blindness casued by love of money).

The example YOU used to defend the Dorean Process is misplaced (Jesus overturning the tables in the temple).

Remember, this example was given for Jesus to make a point about something that was important to Him and His ministry. The Gospels don't share this story so that some false teacher could come along and justify a scam.

Why was Jesus so upset that He was moved to anger and tossed those tables? He could have tossed tables in the marketplace. He could have tossed tables at a trade center. He could have tossed tables anywhere. But He was only moved to anger when he saw what was taking place in the Temple.

Luke 19:46 My house will be a house of prayer but you have made it into a den of robbers

What was He talking about?

The money changers and those selling doves for sacrifice had found a way to scam people out of their money. But that wasn't necessarily the part that upset Jesus. What made Him MAD was that they were doing it in His name and in His house.

Kurt would have been much better off just scamming people. But since he and others chose to use Jesus to push their scam, well, they will get His anger.

I am nobody worth worrying about. But I wouldn't wish on anybody His just wrath.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....

Matthew 7:15,16

you will know them by their fruit said...

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

Boy does this sum up Son of a Prophet or what?!?!?

hockeydonn said...

Kurt,

I have been watching the DVD's and I find it hard to believe that anyone one has any back ground in law or banking and has watched the DVD which presents HARD EVIDENCE that the "theories" and "wackjob" ideas are in fact truths, is not working to cover up the whole thing.i.e. JRB, TACO, SIIU,etc.

JRB, I think you said awhile back that the DVD's were a bunch of nonsense. I was wondering what part. Truly, I don't want to be misled and if you really are a judge, I am sure that you would be willing to address, point by point, where the error is made in our "wackjob" "conspiracy theories".

If any one out there would like to provide me with a point by point analysis of where the error is in the "theory". I would greatly appreciate it.

(OK TACO, since I know you will charge back with the silly childish antics, when someone fulfills my request, I will accept your what he/she said bit. Until then, and since we are all idiots not worthy to wash your feet, try and conserve energy.)

you will know them by their fruit said...

For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

Acts 20:29-31

hockeydonn said...

Thank you YWKTBTF, I try and remember that every time I read this blog.

It helps to have the reminder.

w said...

yeahrightwhateverz, I hear ya.

mogel, what you say makes sense, but, that is not what dorean's frederick has communicated.

and you are absolutely right it has been since early 2005 that the judgements were all but wrapped up.
Any week now, remember?, everythings going as planned, in 2 weeks we will have the news, remember?, the courts dont matter in anyway with the judgements, remember?

perhaps freddy doesn't have a good grasp of language, and all these things he has said do not mean what he really thinks they mean, but I dont think he is that foolish.
I could be wrong.

what kind of line are we going to get now? It is feb 2006. And either freddy doesnt have the guts to at least come clean with the progress of the judgement in a just manner, or he really doesnt want to say what will become of it if the courts dont drop all the charges, and continue to hide it.

Seen it in Utah said...

Sorry, guys. The judgments are unenforceble nonsense. You will not see one penny from them. And Downer...the proof is in the process. NO actual successes. Your false prophets in jail. No refunds to those who demand them. If you still think anyone has to prove anything against Dorean, then it is clear you are deluded.

mogel said...

Utah said: "I just wanted to point out again that the followers of the two imprisoned and malignant prophets are clearly deranged. That's all.

STICKS & STONES...... I CAN SEE WHY THIS IMPORTANT REVELATION WOULD BE BANNED THE FIRST TIME YOU POSTED. USING SUCH SOPHISTICATED WORDS AS "MALIGNANT & DERANGED" MUST HAVE BEEN TOO OFFENSIVE FOR THIS FORUM FOR THOSE THAT LIVE UNDER ROCKS.

"Remember--cancer to you if you preach against the new messiahs."

I TAKE IT THEN, YOU HAVE SEEN YOUR ONCOLOGIST & HAVE CONFIRMED THE BAD NEWS?

mogel said...

Utah said: "Sorry, guys. The judgments are unenforceble nonsense."

UNENFORCEABLE JUDGMENT? IS THAT AN OXY MORON? ISN'T A JUDGMENT BY DEFINITION ASSUMED TO BE A DECREE OF VALIDITY WITHOUT ANY OTHER CONTRARY EVIDENCE? WHAT EVIDENCE DOES THE BANKS GIVE IN THE PROCESS? OH LET'S SEE. NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE, JUST LIKE YOU.


You will not see one penny from them.

SPEAKING OF FALSE PROPHETS, ARE YOU PRETENDING TO BE ONE & SAY THAT YOU CAN READ THE FUTURE?

And Downer...the proof is in the process. NO actual successes.

THE JUGMENTS HAVE TO BE SOLD TO RETURN CASH TO CLIENTS. IF MONIES ARE IN THE CLIENTS POCKETS IN EXCESS OF THE MORTGAGE, I WOULD CALL THIS A SUCCESS.

Your false prophets in jail.

JESUS WENT TO JAIL. DOES THAT PROVE HE WASN'T THE MESSIAH BECAUSE HE HAD A CRIMINAL RECORD?

No refunds to those who demand them.

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. YOU COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY INTERVIEW ALL CLIENTS.

If you still think anyone has to prove anything against Dorean, then it is clear you are deluded.

THAT IS YOUR FORTE TO PROVE NOTHING. I DON'T FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC THOUGH. YOU'RE THE ONE DELUDED THINKING THAT THE DOREAN PROCESS IS ALL ABOUT THE UCC & NOTHING ELSE. NO DOREANITE EVER SAID THAT THE UCC GOVERNS THE REGULATIONS OF HOW TRUSTEED'S ARE PRODUCED. THAT CONCLUSION CAME FROM YOUR OWN DELUDED & CONFUSED MIND.

mogel said...

Fruity one said: "I am nobody worth worrying about."

I THINK WE BOTH FOUND SOMETHING WE CAN FINALLY AGREE UPON.

you will know them by their fruit said...
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you will know them by their fruit said...

Mogel

Don't you get it? It isn't me you need to agree with.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Mogel

There is still time to repent. But only God knows how much time.

wantobefree said...

Remember--cancer to you if you preach against the new messiahs."
Well MOGEL I was starting to believe in you till that statement.I thought you believed in freedom.If you beieve in that who cares who prays to who love thy niegbor.Yea Im starting to think the whole thing was the scam of the decade.Did anyone get an answer on why Kurt went to oaklahoma then Cali.Im lost on that one.

mogel said...

Want To be Free: "Remember--cancer to you if you preach against the new messiahs."

THAT IS NOT MY STATEMENT, BUT THE STATEMENT OF "SEEN IT IN UTAH". YOU NEED TO GO BACK & READ THE BACK POSTS AGAIN. SEEN IT IN UTAH HAS SPOKEN AGAINST THE PROCESS & HENCE THINKS THAT HE WILL HAVE CANCER WISHED UPON HIM WHICH OF COURSE HASN'T HAPPENED. I WAS MAKING FUN OF HIS LOGIC, NOT WISHING CANCER ON SOMEONE, DID YOU MISS MY POINT?

Gforce said...

"...woe to him who piles up promissory notes for interest."---Hab.2:6 Amp.-----Quite simple to understand, really, why try to justify an economic system that has been pre-judged by God to fail and be destroyed, along with those who perpetuate it for self-gain. The sole purpose of the federal reserve system has been to collect and pile up the wealth of the world to be handed over to those who please God(me).--Ecc.2:26 --The season for the transfer has begun.

mogel said...

FRUITY SAID: "Mogel
Don't you get it? It isn't me you need to agree with."

OH REALLY? YOU PRETEND TO KNOW THE MIND & WILL OF GOD, & WHEN YOU SPEAK YOU APPEAR TO BE ONE & THE SAME IN YOUR DELUSIONS OF JUDGMENT & DOOM. YOU'VE JUDGED WHO IS A FALSE PROPHET & WHO ISN'T. YOU ALSO CALL PEOPLE TO REPENTENCE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW OR HAVE NEVER MET IN PERSON OR SPENT ANY QUALITY OF TIME WITH. YOU'VE DECREED THE MIND & HEARTS OF OTHERS AS IF YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD. YOU HAVE SAID THAT I AM ONLY IN THIS FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY. IF THE PROCESS HASN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WHAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

THAT'S IS GOD'S JOB ALONE TO KNOW THE HEART & MIND OF OTHERS, THEN YOU MUST BE GOD IN YOUR OWN MIND.

ONE OF YOUR POSTS IS CLASSIC. YOU INDICATED THAT GOD WASN'T ALL THAT ANGRY AT THE MONEYCHANGERS STEALING FROM THE PEOPLE, BUT WAS ONLY FURIOUS BECAUSE THEY STOLE IN HIS HOUSE OR IN HIS TEMPLE & THUS WERE ACTING IN HIS NAME. AREN'T YOU ACTING IN HIS NAME WITH ALL OF YOUR RIDICULOUS JUDGMENTS? THEN YOU WENT ON TO SAY THAT YOU WOULDN'T WISH UPON ANYONE THE JUDGMENTS THAT ARE COMING BECAUSE DOREAN LEADERS DARE TO SPEAK OF THE LORD'S NAME IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROCESS & THEIR RIGHTEOUS CAUSE. BUT WAIT, THE DOREAN PROCESS ISN'T BEING DISCUSSED IN HIS TEMPLE OR GOD'S HOME, THEREFORE, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN LOGIC, HE ISN'T ALL THAT ANGRY. IF HE ISN'T ALL THAT ANGRY, THEN, WHAT GREAT JUGMENTS ARE TO BE FEARED THAT YOU WOULDN'T WISH UPON ANYONE? WHO IS THE ONE THAT TWISTS THINGS? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU!!!!! YOUR OWN WORDS SHOW YOU ARE THE FALSE PROPHET BECAUSE YOU DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE MOST OF THE TIME. GO BACK & READ YOUR OWN POSTS & HAVE A LAUGH--- ASSUMING YOU EVEN HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR TO PUT A MIRROR BEFORE YOU.

mogel said...

"woe to him who piles up promissory notes for interest."---Hab.2:6 Amp.--"

If the "fruity one" read her scriptures, & understood what was written & was on the righteous side of the debate, she would be calling the banking institutions to repentence, but since she is not, therefore, it's obvious who's side she is really on & who is in need of repentence. When she quotes scriptures of false prophets, she must be referring to herself & her own kind.

habakkuk said...

Mogel,
Well said....i read FRUITY's posts too and they dont make a lick of sense.

habakkuk said...

Hab 2:6 is one of my favorite scripture verses (hence my screen name)......How can i possibly side with a banking system that God himself says is wrong and sooner or later is goin down......If your a Believer like i am, you just cant do it. Why the heck would i bet against God.

neodemes said...

Agreed.

God has everything under control.

Dorean is superfluous.

mogel said...

Kurt said: " What do you think my chances are? Can a leopard change its spots?"

Neodemes said: "Based on what I have seen from your past performance? No."

If that isn't a congratulations to Kurt's victory over Utah what is? There is an admission right there that Neodemes deep down believes the government will fail in the end in proving their charges of fraud because the leopard being referred to is obviously Kurt's enemy & the context is very clear to even a slow reader. In other words, the federal trial will go the same way as the State of Utah trial went with NOTHING CHANGING & nothing being proved as far as criminal charges as far as Neodemes believes now. Who would have thought?????

Who would have thought Neodemes would have changed his position already? I surely didn't. I guess there's hope for anyone.

neodemes said...

Now, moogey, you know as well as I do what I meant by that.

Nice attempt to put a spin on my spin.

Don't make yourself any dizzier than you already are.

you will know them by their fruit said...
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you will know them by their fruit said...

Habakkuk Said...

"Mogel,
Well said....i read FRUITY's posts too and they dont make a lick of sense."

I am not surprised it doesn't make sense to you. What a shame.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

neodemes said...

I prefer the King James Version.

Woe to him that increaseth [that which is] not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!

Hab 2:6

you will know them by their fruit said...

Sorry guys. The Dorean process isn't scriptural just because you guys were able to take, OUT OF CONTEXT, verses from Habakkuk.

Yes, someone who doesn't know the INTENT of Habakkuk and the CONTEXT could easily be decieved by your spin.

But your spin is similar to those in the temple that made Jesus so angry. Using Him for your monitary gain. The banking system doesn't use GOD, Jesus, and Scriptures to rob people. The Dorean Process does . . . JUST LIKE THE MONEYCHANGERS AND SELLERS OF DOVES IN THE TEMPLE.

You guys aren't going to be able to plead ignorance.

Do you really want to know what God feels about Home Loans? Well then here:

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

(Romans 13:8 KJV)

But that won't suffice will it? That won't satisfy the Doreanites. It just won't fit into the scam and THEIR plans. His word, His Truth, His plan is rejected.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

hockeydonn said...

YWKTBTFruit,

You really are pathetic.
Poor thing.
Surely you are kidding right?
At least we can get a good laugh though.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Hockey said . . .

YWKTBTFruit,

You really are pathetic.
Poor thing.
Surely you are kidding right?
At least we can get a good laugh though.



For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

2 Timothy 4:3,4

kaycee said...

Dear Peanut Gallery (and anyone else interested)...I am no fool. I am aware of the corruption under the previous Presidents. Notice I didn't say anything about Bush? I said "this government" and it continues to become increasingly corrupt and problematic. For the record, yes I was outraged at WACO and Ruby Ridge, and would have made similar comments about the government at that time. What upsets me is that people know all of these things are taking place, but don't stand up to it. That was my point. And since when should someone comply and leave an arena when asked because of a message on a T-Shirt? There should be no compliance because it should not have been asked. I don't operate on what might happen, like she may have caused a ruckus, or Saddam may have used his WMD's at some point (These WMD's that have not been found). If we begin to operate under what might happen then we have to get rid of all of the guns, and all of the cars, and anything that may cause damage at some point. That is a ridiculous argument. You must be among those who sit idly by while our government continues to take away our most basic freedoms, and justify and applaud it because they might be protecting us someday. I choose not to think this way. But rest assured I am no fool. Thank you for allowing me to exercise my constitutionally protected right to free speech on this blog and voice my thoughts and concerns.

Solvo said...

Seen it in Utah said...
Sorry, guys. The judgments are unenforceble nonsense. You will not see one penny from them. And Downer...the proof is in the process. NO actual successes. Your false prophets in jail. No refunds to those who demand them. If you still think anyone has to prove anything against Dorean, then it is clear you are deluded.

Your statements are just as credible as the charges brought by the State of UTAH.

mogel said...

Fruity one said: "The banking system doesn't use GOD, Jesus, and Scriptures to rob people."

If anyone on this forum can't see how ridiculous & wrong this statement is, then, I give up. Obviously, Fruityone has never looked on the back of a $1.00 federal reserve note that says, "IN GOD WE TRUST". You don't think the Federal Reserve is using the credibility of God when they wrote that on the back of the bill?

Fruityone, you are simply a moron & a false professed prophet with ears that are itching. Give it up. How many people on this forum believes that the Federal Reserve monetary system in fact really trusts & believes in God when God's principles are in diametric opposition to it's principles. Have you also not heard of the Constitution of the United States where it says only Congress is empowered to coin money, not a private corporation for profit. Do you believe the Constitution & our forefathers were inspired by God? Obviously YOU DON'T, or you never read what many of them had to say.

mogel said...

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables."

2 Timothy 4:3,4

Fruity one: This scripture above has nothing to do with the Dorean Process, but refers to the apostacy or the falling away of the original church set up by Jesus
where authority & knowledge was taken away from the earth as the people killed the apostles & prophets. False teachers & false prophets arose & preached preverse things for financial gain & the willingness of the people to believe these things due to their sinful state showed how far the world had digressed from spiritual things.

The early reformers like Calvin also recognized that this event had already happened hundreds of years earlier because of history & all of the churches were in fact preaching false man-made doctrines & not in spirit with the Biblical teachings. You quoting this scripture out of context shows how little you know about the history of religion.

mogel said...

Fruity one said: "Do you really want to know what God feels about Home Loans? Well then here:

Owe no man any thing,"

FINE, THEN TELL ME WHY THE LENDERS NEVER RETURN MY DEPOSIT WHEN THEY GIVE A LOAN & IN ESSSENCE STEAL FROM ME & VIOLATE GOD'S TEACHINGS OF OWING ME?

SO FOR YOU TO SAY THAT GOD SANCTIONS THE BANKS THEFT & CONVERSION IS PURE IDIOCY. IF GOD DOESN'T SANCTION THEIR PROCESS, THEN SURELY GOD HAS SPOKEN AGAINST THEM. HE HAS. HE CALLED THEM A DEN OF THIEVES & THREW THEM OUT OF THE TEMPLE. HE HAS SPOKEN ON THE SUBJECT IN THE BOOK OF HABAKKUK AGAINST THE MODERN DAY MONEYCHANGERS. YOU JUST DON'T POSSESS THE SPIRIT OF REVELATION, SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED IN THAT BOOK ON THIS SUBJECT.