Friday, February 17, 2006

The Visitation

On Friday January 6th, I received a visit from Larry. I had just gotten off the phone where I was discussing with my wife that I must be willing to sacrifice our relationship for this call. Though there is as much promise there as resided in Isaac, I like Abraham must raise my knife. The pain he felt was heavy on my heart at that moment. All pain is accompanied by the question “is it worth it?” Larry appears, one who has suffered by our association, and has answered his question “yes.” He also spoke of others and the many supporters. Well Larry and all you represented you appeared with my question and made the answer simple, “yes.” No matter the cost, the value or hope of my promise I have no moment but the now and it is worth it. Thank you for keeping your divine appointment!

129 comments:

you will know them by their fruit said...

Like Abraham?!?!?!

Wow!

Zero Shame!

You may like to hear Larry's words about many supporters, but it isn't truth. But truth has never stopped you before.


Kurt, you are like the scammers in the temple who tried to make money off of God. Skip to the end of their story--it doesn't turn out good in the end.


1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.

Clueless Fudd said...

What are you today fruit, a BANANA-head?

habakkuk said...

I got a new name for him.... "Tooty-Fruity" !!!!! Although he always seems to be Tooting bad fruit.

son of a prophet said...

From the NOS (NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM-new world order/motto on the back of the dollar bill)handbook....







Novus Ordem Seclorum, is very real, very dangerous and being played out right before the eyes of Americans, as the cult's stepped up plans to take over the U.S. is underway and in full-throttle.



What better way to learn about the plan then to listen from an insider, trying to make amends with herself and the world. The following is from Chapter 3 of her yet to be published manuscript:



"All groups have goals, and the Illuminists are no exception. Money making is not their final goal - it is a means to an end. This end point, or goal, is no less than to rule the world. The Illuminati has a set plan similar to the Soviet Union's previous "5- year" and "10- year " plans. This is what the Illuminists themselves believe and teach their followers as gospel truth.



"Whether they will actually succeed is another matter altogether. The following is the Illuminist agenda at ALL levels of the Illuminati. As with any goal, the Illuminati has specific steps which it plans to implement to reach its objectives. Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centers" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.



"These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways:



"The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the maneuvering of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.



"Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. This is why so many survivors under 36 years of age report having military programming. People who are not Illuminists or who are not sympathetic to their cause, will resist.



"The Illuminists expect this and will be (and are BEING) trained in how to deal with this eventuality. They are training their people in hand-to- hand combat, crowd control, and, if necessary, will kill to control crowds. The Illuminati is training their people to be prepared for every possible reaction to the takeover. Many mind control victims will also be called into duty with preset command codes. These codes are meant to call out a new, completely cult loyal presenting system. Shatter codes programmed under trauma will be used to destroy or bury non-cult loyal alters.



"Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.



"About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups.



"These people will also be completely dedicated to their cause. The Illuminati firmly believes that it can easily overcome the other 99% of the population, most of whom are untrained, or poorly trained, such as "weekend hunters." Even the local military will be overcome as the Illuminati will have regional cell groups with highly trained leaders. They also count on the element of surprise helping them during their takeover. Many of the highest leaders in the militia branch of the Illuminati are or have been officers in the military, and so already have a good knowledge of which techniques will work best to overcome a region's or locality's defenses.



"After the military takeover, the general population will be given a chance to either espouse the Illuminati's cause, or reject it (with imprisonment, pain, even death being possible punishments). These people very much believe that the intelligent, or "enlightened" or Illuminated, were born to rule. They are arrogant, and consider the general population as "dumb sheep" who will be easily led if offered strong leadership, financial help in an unstable world economy, and dire consequences if the person rebels. Their utter ruthlessness, and ability to implement this agenda, should not be minimized.



"The Illuminati banking leaders, such as the Rothschilds, the VanderBilts, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, and the Mellons, as examples, will reveal themselves, and offer to "save" the floundering world economy. A new system of monetary exchange, based on an international monetary system, and based between Cairo, Egypt, and Brussels, Belgium, will be set up. A true "one world economy", creating the longed for "one world order", will become reality."



Svali said this is the tip of the iceberg of the Illuminati agenda in America and she has been disowned by her family for leaving. Although recently offered $15,000 to return home, Svali has refused, saying her ministry to awaken the American people is her first priority.



Through years of special training, she learned members of the Illuminati are willing to give up their lives for their cause, as they believe their children are their legacy.



"I was told that my children's generation would see this takeover, sometime in the 21st century. At present, the Illuminati have quietly and covertly fostered their takeover plan by their goals of the infiltration of the media, the banking system, the education system, the government at all levels, the sciences and the churches," said Svali.



Editor's Note: In Part III, learn how Svali functioned as a head trainer, as well the orderly set of jobs and duties of the American Illuminati. Also learn from Svali why the cult spends so much time and energy training people, how the Illuminati makes money, how they program people and the different equipment used by trainers in their complex jobs of controlling the masses.



For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com.

dgwondering said...

SOaP in thirty years when none of that BS happens will you keep shoveling it out? That kind of crap has been going around for more years than your old enough to remember and none of it is any more real than it was back then. Keep shoveling. It shows just how ignorant you are.

tcob247 said...

Son of Prophalactic

There is a conspiracy in your pants

yeahrightwhateverz said...

No, it just shows what an asshole SOAP really is for continuing his off topic bullshit campaign.

imbigo said...

A CHALLANGE TO SOP...

YOU CAN SEE AT THE FRONT OF THE MORGAGE FRAUD BLOG SPOT HOW MANY HIT THE WHISTLE BLOWER HAS RECEIVED. hERE LIES THE CHALLANGE.

SET UP YOUR OWN BLOG FOR WHAT EVER YOU WHAT TO PROMOTE, AND SEE HOW MANY HITS "YOU" GET, INSTED OF RIDING ON THIS MANS COAT TAIL!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

imbigo said...

A CHALLANGE TO SOP...

YOU CAN SEE AT THE FRONT OF THE MORGAGE FRAUD BLOG SPOT HOW MANY HIT THE WHISTLE BLOWER HAS RECEIVED. hERE LIES THE CHALLANGE.

SET UP YOUR OWN BLOG FOR WHAT EVER YOU WHAT TO PROMOTE, AND SEE HOW MANY HITS "YOU" GET, INSTED OF RIDING ON THIS MANS COAT TAIL!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

son of a prophet said...

someone said....


"SOaP in thirty years when none of that BS happens will...."



youre right. none of this will ever happen, nor will it ever.

wonder why they keep putting out such nonsense anyway??

i guess that i just like to read fables...

i am glad that there are no govt. agents that monitor this board, they might just come to believe some of this stuff is trus....lol!

son of a prophet said...

then again, maybe the illooominati are posting on this board.


so, natch, they must discredit anything about it.

first rule of illooooominati..

DISCREDIT
DISCREDIT
DISCREDIT.


HEHEHEHEHHEHEHE..............

son of a prophet said...

then again, maybe the illooominati are posting on this board.


so, natch, they must discredit anything about it.

first rule of illooooominati..

DISCREDIT
DISCREDIT
DISCREDIT.


HEHEHEHEHHEHEHE..............

whyudothat said...

Humerous said...
I could use the e-mal address of the claim form. Please let me know. 6:03 PM

someone told me it was,
foolishfred@idiotsrus.net
but it didnt work for me

tcob247 said...

hey son of false prophet

The illuminatti is in your pants!
There is a big difference between discredit and pure lunacy

Hey Kurt.....
When Larry came to talk to you at the jail, by any chance were Moe and Curly with him?

tcob247 said...

Dr Dildo Fred Writes:

February 14, 2006:

"Well the fellows are back in California, and both are looking and doing well. It is now that the real battle begins and the enemy hasn’t an idea where to grab hold of this loin. Both Kurt and Scott enjoy receiving mail and correspondence, and both are able to help if there becomes a need with those of you that have run into problems."

Hey Dr Dildo......
SUCK MY LOIN


He further writes:

"Remember that you must go to the Blog fairly often, and if you just read what “The Whistleblower” (Kurt) writes you will petty well stay informed. It is where the web site will appear and you will need to be pro-active in that there will appear a downloadable “Claims Form” that you will have need to fill out and return to the address specified."


You are a complete joke and have no credibility whatsoever.
Just my advice.....
Go to an Attorney and get Heckle and Jeckle removed as trustees from your trust.
Do you want a con man to control your most important asset?

imbigo said...

hay tcob i thought you wqere done posting???

your credibility its all that either.

hay sop did you get my challage?

habakkuk said...

Hey Tcob,
Why do you all the sudden have a beef with Dr. Fred who is just doing what any good father would do.....help his son. Your beef is with Kurt and Scott....so why dont you direct your nonsense at them instead of picking on a guy who is only trying to help the clients. He never asked for this job.

By the way, you said about 5 times that you were not going to post on here any more.....You are just as much a hypocrite as you say they are. You are by far the biggest joke on this site.

drhfred said...

I just heard from Kurt (10PM) and this should give the naysayers something to chew for a bit. After spending most of the day in court the Feds have decided to drop charges against four (4) of the defendant’s and add four (4) new defendant’s to a new twenty-two (22) additional count indictment. The new defendant’s are Mr. Bill Julian, Dewey Tobias, Sarah-Jane Magoon, and Farrel LaCompte. Need I say that there is still no worry with regard to the new charges? The case that is to be presented on the part of Kurt and Scott on their behalf and that of the client base is just as strong as ever. To some this may seem a set back, but I can assure you it ‘tis not. Save that there may be some inconveniences to the new members added to the indictment. Kurt is writing the meaning of these developments and it shall be posted here shortly. To the faithful, do not look upon this as failure or defeat, but remember as it ‘tis posted by me first and that we share all that we can so that you are properly informed.
Psalm 37:1 Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

Holyelizabeth said...

Is this here visitashion anything like when Mary visited Elizabeth? or am i confuzin this with Larry's visit to Curly and Moe?

after readin all this biblical stuff on this blog im gettin real confuzed.

And is larry a nickname for fred or somethin?

tcob247 said...

So Farrel is now indicted

Tis so sweet

Habakkkkukk.....
Dr Fred is not so innocent
He keeps making promises he doesnt keep and he is still runing a mortgage elimination scam


Go ahead and compare my credibility (saying I wouldnt post anymore) to Kurt scamming thousands of people out of their cash and homes with lies and deception.

Where is your credibility?

habakkuk said...

Isaiah 54:17

NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST YOU SHALL PROSPER, AND EVERY TONGUE WHICH RISES AGAINST YOU IN JUDGEMENT YOU SHALL CONDEMN. THIS IS THE HERITAGE OF THE SERVANTS OF THE LORD. AND THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS FROM ME, SAYS THE LORD.

That is for every one of the innocent men and women who have been falsely charged.

habakkuk said...

Hey tcob,
Did'nt you get the dvd? Its full of 8 hours of proof that this is not a scam. If you watched the dvd and did your homework like myself and others did you would know that the real scam here was started by our friends the bankers and their corrupt brothers in the government.

The dvd tells you step by step the whole DG process....How can anyone who has a brain think that this is a scam. I think i told you this about 3 months ago....GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

Personally, im beginning to be convinced that you have some other motives here...You're probably a plant by the FEDs or something who just wants to sow discord amoung the true believers. Why dont you get another screen name and stop being so obvious.

complainers suck said...

drhfred said...
I just heard from Kurt (10PM) and this should give the naysayers something to chew for a bit.The new defendant’s are Mr. Bill Julian, Dewey Tobias, Sarah-Jane Magoon, and Farrel LaCompte.

Wow, how ironic is it that only 4 brokers were indicted, and at one timer there were over 15? Sounds kind of fishy to me.

Tony Tuba said...

Why didn't they name Jed Lambeth in the new indictments? That guy can't do anything right?

son of a prophet said...

yeah, i guess its lunacy that 6 seaports were sold to an islamic country....

thats the problem with these 'anti-conspiracy theory' people, they never address the question directly.

and they say that the DG brokers do the same thing.


better watch out my friend, some day you may be achmeds boy-toy.

so what about it. whats the deal with the ports being sold by YOUR govt?

illiminati or no illuminati, the object of the govt. is to take this country down piece by piece, step by step all while pretending to fight the totally contrived 'war on terrorism'.

put any spin on it you like, it doesnt really matter whehter you call them illuminati or salaminatti, the results are going to be the same.

for 30 shekels, they sold out Yeshua and it contiues to this day.

for money, most of the blind govt. workers will do/say anything to keep their job and pay the bills.
of course, they are blind because they are so far away from God, they wouldnt recognize Him if they stepped over Him..."and so God gave them up to their darkness" ie,. "if thats waht you want, enjoy (till it kills you)

all the while they keep believing the bull the govt. puts out.

so, how are you going to spin the selling of our ports to the UAE??

BTW, where are YOU going to spend YOUR 30 shekels???

Tony Tuba said...

drhfred said...
I just heard from Kurt (10PM) and this should give the naysayers something to chew for a bit. After spending most of the day in court the Feds have decided to drop charges against four (4) of the defendant’s and add four (4) new defendant’s to a new twenty-two (22) additional count indictment. The new defendant’s are Mr. Bill Julian, Dewey Tobias, Sarah-Jane Magoon, and Farrel LaCompte. Need I say that there is still no worry with regard to the new charges?



I disagree Dr. Fred that this isn't a problem. The FEDS just keep making up new charges so they can keep Kurt and Scott and anyone else in jail longer. This allows the FEDS to keep pushing the inevitable back further - OUR ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES.

Tony Tuba said...

SOP, where are the 6 sea ports?

vertyu said...

I hope three out of the four new defendants get long term jail sentences. Especially Bill Julian. He continued to take client's money when communication with Dorean was at its worst. What a slime. Sara-Jane Magoon abandon all of her clients when the going got rough. LeCompete kept taking money also, but at least he provided some service to the very end.

I thought Dewey Tobias was already in jail for tax charges.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Is my dream finally coming to fruition? With Farrel receiving a bogus indictment, is it now possible that I could get my first salesman on the "inside"? The mass distribution of soft toilet tissue in county jails has always been a dream of mine! The money! The exposure! Helping inmates escape the constant pain of chafing. Farrel......you are my big chance!!! At last................MY TIME HAS COME !!!!!!


Our Company Motto:
"Swami Soft Toilet Tissue........We Take Shit Off Everybody!"

~~The Swami~~~

complainers suck said...

vertyu said...
I hope three out of the four new defendants get long term jail sentences. Especially Bill Julian. He continued to take client's money when communication with Dorean was at its worst. What a slime. Sara-Jane Magoon abandon all of her clients when the going got rough. LeCompete kept taking money also, but at least he provided some service to the very end.

I thought Dewey Tobias was already in jail for tax charges.

If I had to make a prediction, this is the result of trying to have the "big fish" of the brokers testify against Scott and Kurt, to ensure they get the shaft.

whyudothat said...

drhfred said...we share all that we can so that you are properly informed.

hey idiot, where is the settlement you told everyone from 1 year ago that had nothing to do with the outcome from the court cases? that is the same thing you always write keep watching the blog. habakkuk at that rate I can tell you what the next update will be for the clients in spring 2007, it will be keep watching the blog for a form to appear. fred isnt informing anybody properly or justly, if he was, he would say why he hasnt kept his word.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

S hit
W iping
A lways
M y
I ntention


I've waited for just the right moment to sell my soft toilet tissue products. MOVE OVER AMWAY........I'm TAKING OVER!

son of a prophet said...

By TED BRIDIS and DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writers


WASHINGTON


The Bush administration on Thursday rebuffed criticism about potential security risks of a $6.8 billion sale that gives a company in the United Arab Emirates control over significant operations at six major American ports.

Lawmakers asked the White House to reconsider its earlier approval of the deal.

The sale to state-owned Dubai Ports World was "rigorously reviewed" by a U.S. committee that considers security threats when foreign companies seek to buy or invest in American industry, National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said.

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, run by the Treasury Department, reviewed an assessment from U.S. intelligence agencies. The committee's 12 members agreed unanimously the sale did not present any problems, the department said.

"We wanted to look at this one quite closely because it relates to ports," Stewart Baker, an assistant secretary in the Homeland Security Department, told The Associated Press. "It is important to focus on this partner as opposed to just what part of the world they come from. We came to the conclusion that the transaction should not be halted."

The unusual defense of the secretive committee, which reviews hundreds of such deals each year, came in response to criticism about the purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co.

The world's fourth-largest ports company runs commercial operations at shipping terminals in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

Four senators and three House members asked the administration Thursday to reconsider its approval. The lawmakers contended the UAE is not consistent in its support of U.S. terrorism-fighting efforts.

"The potential threat to our country is not imagined, it is real," Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., said in a House speech.

The Homeland Security Department said it was legally impossible under the committee's rules to reconsider its approval without evidence DP World gave false information or withheld vital details from U.S. officials. The 30-day window for the committee to voice objections has ended.

DP World said it had received all regulatory approvals.

"We intend to maintain and, where appropriate, enhance current security arrangements," the company said in a statement. "It is very much business as usual for the P&O terminals" in the United States.

In Dubai, the UAE's foreign minister described his country as an important U.S. ally but declined to respond directly to the concerns expressed in Washington.

"We have worked very closely with the United States on a number of issues relating to the combat of terrorism, prior to and post Sept. 11," Sheik Abdullah Bin Zayed al-Nahyan told The Associated Press.

U.S. lawmakers said the UAE was an important transfer point for shipments of smuggled nuclear components sent to Iran, North Korea and Libya by a Pakistani scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan. They also said the UAE was one of only three countries to recognize the now-toppled Taliban as Afghanistan's legitimate government.

The State Department describes the UAE as a vital partner in the fight against terrorism. Dubai's own ports have participated since last year in U.S. efforts to detect illegal shipments of nuclear materials.

Rep. Vito Fossella, R-N.Y., urged congressional hearings on the deal.

"At a time when America is leading the world in the war on terrorism and spending billions of dollars to secure our homeland, we cannot cede control of strategic assets to foreign nations with spotty records on terrorism," Fossella said.

Critics also have cited the UAE's history as an operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"Outsourcing the operations of our largest ports to a country with a dubious record on terrorism is a homeland security and commerce accident waiting to happen," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "The administration needs to take another look at this deal."

Separately, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said Thursday it will conduct its own review of the deal and urged the government to defend its decision.

In a letter to the Treasury Department, Port Authority chairman Anthony Coscia said the independent review by his agency was necessary "to protect its interests."

The lawmakers pressing the White House to reconsider included Sens. Schumer, Tom Coburn, R-Okla., Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., and Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and Reps. Foley, Fossella and Chris Shays, R-Conn.

neodemes said...

Farrel indicted? That's a shame. He is such a nice fellow.

I guess Byron is too small a bug to even bother swatting, though.

LOL.

g-unit said...

New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami and Philadelphia.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/
thestate/news/nation/
13852250.htm

and:
http://www.latimes.com/news
opinion/editorials/
la-ed-forests15feb15
%2C0%2C6985146.story

son of a prophet said...

gee, i wonder if the NSA will be as busy montoring all the emails and phone calls from this UAE company in the guise of terrorism????

nah, wont happen because NSA monitoring of phone calls was/is never about finding terrorists; it was about finding dissidents who know what is going on like regualr everyday people. of course, they are right in the way they use the word, terrorist is anyone who knows what is really going on, so I guess that I could be called one, but dont worry there arent
any terrorsits here as most dont know what is going on or dont really believe what is going on.

-------------------------------


The Illuminati controlled State Department describes the UAE as a vital partner in the fight against terrorism. But the UAE, a loose federation of seven emirates on the Saudi peninsula, was an important operational and financial base for the hijackers who carried out the attacks against New York and Washington, the Illuminati controlled FBI concluded.

you will know them by their fruit said...

WHy does anybody still read SOP. It is a complete waste.

S kip
O ver
P ost

1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.






1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.

drhfred said...

Notice!
Kurt’s address is no longer viable as he’s been moved to another facility this morning. I’ll post his new address as soon as I learn it

son of a prophet said...

".....the Feds have decided to drop charges against four (4) of the defendant’s and add four (4) new defendant’s to a new twenty-two (22) additional count indictment. The new defendant’s are...."



sometimes the pheds add names when they know that they are going to lose a case to protect those who may have worked for the pheds as informants to remove any suspicion that they may have been infomants

no one would suspect someone who was indicted was working as a rat.

right out of the sopranos handbook of mafia protocol. lol!

/s/

Tony Walnuts

neodemes said...

The indictments and related files have been posted:

News You Can Use

Enjoy!

complainers suck said...

neodemes said...
The indictments and related files have been posted:

News You Can Use

Enjoy!

I was unaware that the dorean process has actually been PROVEN to be illegal. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Each one of the accounts that the brokers are facing state that they "knowlingly" and "intended to devise a scheme..." How can they be involved "knowlingly" when the work was performed by the dorean offices? If I were a broker, I wouldn't know that because if I recruited clients, but didn't actually work on the clients files?

Ladies and gentlemen, your government at work.

tcob247 said...

LOLOLOL

I remember Farrel running around at Vegas puffing his chest out trying ton convince people how big and bad he was.

I remember trying to get customer service from him and him deriding me a calling me filthy names.

Rot in hell Farrel
Knowing him he will SING quicker than anyone and give the FEDS what they want on a platter to save his own ASS

I'd like to see Kurt and Farrel in the same jail cell

complainers suck said...

tcob247 said...
I remember Farrel running around at Vegas puffing his chest out trying ton convince people how big and bad he was.

I remember trying to get customer service from him and him deriding me a calling me filthy names.

Rot in hell Farrel
Knowing him he will SING quicker than anyone and give the FEDS what they want on a platter to save his own ASS

I'd like to see Kurt and Farrel in the same jail cell

After subjecting us to your posts for the past 8 or 9 months, it's too bad farrel had you pegged long before we did. You probably deserved everthing you received from farrel.

neodemes said...

complainer sez:"Each one of the accounts that the brokers are facing state that they "knowlingly" and "intended to devise a scheme..." How can they be involved "knowlingly" when the work was performed by the dorean offices? If I were a broker, I wouldn't know that because if I recruited clients, but didn't actually work on the clients files?
"

If the brokers didn't know what they were selling, they're even bigger idiots than I thought.

complainers suck said...

neodemes said...
If the brokers didn't know what they were selling, they're even bigger idiots than I thought.

There's a huge difference between not knowing what you are selling and knowing what you selling is KNOWINGLY breaking the law, which is the only way you can be charged AND convicted. If you are speeding 50 in a 45, selling drugs, you are "knowingly" breaking the law, but how did the brokers KNOWLINGLY break the law?

neodemes said...

"KNOWINGLY breaking the law, which is the only way you can be charged AND convicted."

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

But, they can go ahead and try.

Be sure to use the Son of Farrel approach, too.

LOL

complainers suck said...

neodemes said...
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Be sure to use the Son of Farrel approach, too.

I agree, but where is the ignorance of the law? It has never been defined in this case. A lady in florida just two or three years ago beat willful failure to file charge simply by stating that she did not know it was mandatory. In this case ignorance of the law WAS an ACCEPTABLE excuse. She also happened to be either an airline pilot or flight attendant.

I surely hope he too doesn't follow that route.

tcob247 said...

complainers suck me

"it's too bad farrel had you pegged long before we did."


LOOKS LIKE HE IS GONNA GET PEGGED NOW!!!!!

By the way...........

I did nothing to warrant his childish rants
I asked simple questions about MY HOUSE that was tied up in this tremendous Trust

complainers suck said...

tcob247 said...
LOOKS LIKE HE IS GONNA GET PEGGED NOW!!!!!
I did nothing to warrant his childish rants

Just like you haven't warranted any childish rants from anyone based on your comments above?

Nice try, though.

son of a prophet said...

...like every organization that the govt. takes down, somebody had to secretly be working undercover for the 'g'


...no excepton here either....

son of a prophet said...

must be a lot of the 'g' on this board as no one seems to want to comment on the govt. selling out our ports to an islamic country.

dont know....maybe the news story is just a conspiracy bs story and the ports werent really sold.

wonder what they gonna tell the soldiers families about this while they are in Iraq; the enemy is now within the borders.

wha happen to the war on terrorism now??

like everthing else, the terrorist need somebody on the inside; so now they got ssomeone; the US govt. inside they pockets....

hehehehe.................

Tony Tuba said...

The Swami said...
Is my dream finally coming to fruition? With Farrel receiving a bogus indictment, is it now possible that I could get my first salesman on the "inside"? The mass distribution of soft toilet tissue in county jails has always been a dream of mine! The money! The exposure! Helping inmates escape the constant pain of chafing. Farrel......you are my big chance!!! At last................MY TIME HAS COME !!!!!!


Our Company Motto:
"Swami Soft Toilet Tissue........We Take Shit Off Everybody!"




Swami you are an absolute genius. Thanks for this great idea. It really made me laugh.

drhfred said...

Notice!
Kurt's new address and Scott's.

Kurt F Johnson
ULF 796
Alameda County Jail
550 6th Street
Oakland, CA 94607


Dale Scott Heineman
ULF 799
Santa Rita Jail
5325 Broder Blvd.
Dublin, CA 94568

whyudothat said...

Notice!
fred is now going to give you an update every other day to make it appear he is not witholding information from his clients. it wont work this late in it

son of a prophet said...

yep. pretty soon the whole freaking govt. charade is going to collapse.

and all the poor suckers that believed all the govt. BS they were told.

well, they deserve it for not wanting to see the truth and this is why the DG will also succeed.

in order to win, yo gotta fight fire with fire. so the DG got people on the inside too.


just like 9/11 was an inside job, but noborry bleeve it. lol

tcob247 said...

nobody beleeves it but you Son Of Poo Poo

tcob247 said...

SOPPPPPP

Nothing has changed much has it

Look I can cut and Paste tooooo...

Top Ten Conspiracy Theories of 2002

The year following the Sept. 11 attacks has seen a staggering proliferation of conspiracy theories -- some alarming, some intriguing, and many just plain wacky

For about thirty minutes after his chief of staff told him that America was under attack, George W. Bush continued to sit in an elementary school classroom listening to a second-grader tell a story about a pet goat. He did a marvelous job of looking completely unsurprised. Meanwhile, four hijacked jumbo jets were able to fly off-course across several states without encountering any opposition from the most powerful and responsive air force in the world.

Less than a month later, on the pretext of pursuing terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, the Bush administration began what it called a "war" on the impoverished and already war-torn country of Afghanistan. It turns out this assault had been in the works well before September 11 took place.

Soon after replacing the Taliban government with one more to its liking (and, in what is surely a coincidence, resuscitating the world's most bountiful opium fields), the administration began agitating for a similar, but even more destructive, bombardment of the oil-rich nation of Iraq. This, although Osama bin Laden was still at large and no link between him and Saddam Hussein could be established.

For these reasons and hundreds of others, the year following September 11 has seen probably the most staggering proliferation of "conspiracy theories" in American history. Angry speculation -- focused mainly on government dirty dealings, ulterior motives, and potential complicity in the attacks -- has risen to a clamor that easily rivals what followed the Kennedy assassination. Some of these suppositions are patent balderdash. But many others are coherent and well argued, and cite disconcerting reports from the U.S. corporate media and respected overseas news desks to support their claims. Providing grist for the mill are such odd episodes as last year's partisan anthrax poisonings (using U.S. army microbes) and the sniper attacks that recently plagued Washington, DC.

Following are the ten most alarming theories about September 11, the "war on terror," and the future of the world. Feel free to accept them as gospel, study them as symptoms of a traumatized culture, or scoff at them as anti-American propaganda: I'm only the messenger. Personally, though, at this point the only person I hold above suspicion in the matter of September 11 is that poor kid with the goat.

1. Great Game in the Caspian Sea.

Among the theories about the administration's real reasons for bombing and occupying Afghanistan, the one with the most traction argues that Afghanistan provides the best real estate for an oil and natural gas pipeline. Believers say that fossil fuels in the Caspian Sea, once part of the Soviet empire, are now up for grabs in a fierce contest between Russia and the West. To the winner will go control of much of the energy supply for East Asia. Sources cited in support of this idea -- which has gotten ink in England's Guardian newspaper and the BBC, as well as offhand mention on U.S. Sunday talk shows -- include Zbigniew Brzezinski's apology for empire, The Grand Chessboard, and a 1998 Taliban-damning report to Congress from the oil company Unocal. But the most telling evidence of all: Now that Afghanistan is a satellite state of the Bush administration, the pipeline is actually being built!.

2. The Afghanistan/Enron Connection.

Rumor has it that in the months before Enron's collapse, Bush, Cheney, and the much-gossiped-about "energy task force" convened daily, high-priority meetings to try and engineer a bailout for Bush's most generous campaign contributor. At the peak of the Enron scandal and in the aftermath of the attack on Afghanistan, a fascinating document surfaced in conspiracy circles that told of a bank-breaking Enron venture: A power plant the firm had partly built in India. Plagued with cost overruns and accusations of employee mistreatment that led to violent labor disputes, the power plant became a cash sinkhole that threatened to send Enron into insolvency -- unless the plant could tap into a pipeline network to be spun off from the Caspian Sea venture and recover some of its losses by operating on natural gas. A detailed and intriguing read, this document explains why Dick Cheney would sooner chug a quart of 10W-40 than surrender the minutes of those energy meetings.

3. The Magic Passport Theory.

We can now add Mohamed Atta's reality-defying passport to the Arlen Specter Gallery of Improbable Projectiles. This incriminating item was thrown intact from a cataclysmic fireball and miraculously plucked from 1.6 million tons of debris in a matter of hours. The corporate media rarely mention the unlikelihood of this. Many in the alternative press, though, are unafraid to draw an obvious, albeit taboo, inference: that the Atta passport is planted evidence. According to Washington, DC, peace activist John Judge, other potential plants include the Arabic-language flight manuals left in one of the hijackers' cars (with note: The discussion of the flight manuals begins at around 13:30). These manuals could serve no useful purpose at such a late stage unless the hijackers planned to finish learning how to fly during a half-hour ride to the airport. But as deliberately placed articles, they are as if a signed diary called "My Plan to Kill the President" had been unearthed in Lee Harvey Oswald's flat. Also high on the possible planted evidence list is a spiritual manifesto for the Al Qaeda kamikaze pilots, which, to journalist Robert Fisk, sounds an awful lot like it was written by a God-fearing Christian.

4. Hijacker Oddities I.

Little-observed in the fine print of the FBI rap sheet on the September 11 hijackers was a clumsily phrased disclaimer admitting that the Bureau's document wasn't, ahem, necessarily a final draft (with note: "It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way").

Ringleader Mohamed Atta's identity was a slam-dunk, of course, owing to the propitious recovery of his passport. But bear in mind how quickly the FBI conjured its 19 Enemies of the State while you ponder the strange case of Waleed Al Shehri. In an article for the BBC, this Saudi Arabian national says that he turned up on the FBI list and feels that rumors of his death were greatly exaggerated. Not to be outdone, the British Daily Telegraph also ran an article on the subject, claiming to have found no fewer than four of the supposed September 11 attackers -- alive, well, and hopping mad. Pending long overdue clarification from John Ashcroft's vaunted Bureau, one can hardly blame the conspiracy-minded for crying "patsy."

5. Hijacker Oddities II.

Another theory about the hijackers' real identities takes as its departure an utterly bizarre and largely overlooked story on MSNBC.com, which says that some of the hijackers may have trained at U.S. Army bases. Yes, you read that right. Strange as it may seem, providing terrorists-slash-"freedom fighters" with lethal skills is a tradition in certain specialized arms of the American military and U.S. intelligence. The infamous School of the Americas, for example, helped to train the death squads that claimed so many innocent lives in Central America. Even so, the idea that the government might aid Osama's minions is completely beyond the pale, right? Perhaps. But remember the CIA and the military's record-breaking aid program to the Afghan Mujahedin movement, as outlined, for example, in John Cooley's Unholy Wars. Questions about hijacker links to U.S. intelligence got more complicated when the spook watchdog magazine CovertAction Quarterly claimed that many of the hijackers got into the country using CIA "snitch" visas. (This article can be found in CovertAction Quarterly's Winter 2001, 41-44; the BBC conducted an interview with the author, Michael Springmann). As with many issues involving The Agency, this promises to be shrouded in mystery for a long time.

6. Insider Trades.

Remember right after the attacks when you couldn't watch TV for five minutes without hearing somebody say "put option"? The 9/11 insider stock trades got endless airplay on the major networks before Osama bin Laden became fixed in the popular imagination, whereupon the media bent themselves to the task of establishing his guilt. Still, even if Al Qaeda placed the 4,744 suspicious transactions, wouldn't the story still be useful, if only to further illuminate the terrorist network's money machine? Apparently not, because the story didn't just fade away over time; it suddenly vanished. Once in a while, a TV news anchorperson would assure us there had been "nothing to" the rumors while failing to explain, if this was true, where the story had come from or why it had gotten so such attention.

But conservative scandal-tracker Tom Flocco didn't give up on the hinky stock trades. In a series of articles, he follows the money back to a bigwig in the financial firm Deutsche Bank, who also was once executive director of (surprise!) the CIA. Some might question Flocco's credibility as an investigative reporter, I suppose -- although credibility in the news business appears to be a dead letter anyway, if CNN could accidentally fabricate the 5,000 trades out of whole cloth to begin with.

7. The New World Order Will Not Be Televised.

Assuming you haven't stopped reading yet -- either to start digging a bomb shelter in your backyard or to flip on FOX News for a much-needed dose of pro-war soma -- you have to be wondering how these flabbergasting stories escaped the notice of America's intrepid newshounds. Examine this question for even a minute and you will stumble onto a proven, card-carrying evil conspiracy: It's called the U.S. Congress, and conclusive evidence links them to a truly terrifying document known as the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

This legislation is relevant post-9/11 because it allowed the megamergers of media conglomerates to become ultra-monstermergers. As a result, today a handful of multinationals control most of what is said in the U.S. about military actions overseas and the reasons for them. At least one of these companies -- General Electric -- has financial stakes in the weapons racket as well, but this blatant conflict of interest gets as much coverage as the Telecommunications Act originally got when it was on the floor of Congress: next to none. Some media observers and academics, like MIT's Noam Chomsky and Norman Solomon of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, have doggedly pointed out that the bloated media emperor has no clothes. Too bad they stand little chance of appearing regularly on Face the Nation.

Not many people noticed when the rules governing what gets said about war and who gets to say it were exposed in Harper's Magazine, which ran a Florida News Herald memo outlining some of the carefully crafted talking points journalists must observe in discussing U.S. bombing campaigns. Among them: Ignore or minimize innocent death. "If the story needs rewriting to play down the civilian casualties" caused by U.S. bombings, the Herald's copy desk decrees, "DO IT.... Failure to follow any of these or other standing rules could put your job in jeopardy" (1). Lesson? If you live in the U.S. and think you know what your government is doing to other countries and why, just because you watch cable or read a daily newspaper -- think again.

8. Iran/Contra Redux.

Near the end of 2002, a surprisingly lethargic debate was underway in the U.S. concerning the "war on terror"'s erosion of Americans' civil liberties -- which many felt were already pretty meager anyhow, having been picked clean during two decades of the "war on drugs." The debate took a turn toward the paranormal when the corporate media briefly went agog over the Bush administration's citizen-stalking Information Awareness Office. By the time it got mentioned in the Washington Post, though, the IAO was old news to flying saucer buffs: Art Bell rival Jeff Rense had already run several articles scrutinizing the IAO's logo, which -- with its all-seeing, Masonic pyramid-and-eyeball -- seems meant to agitate the growing ranks of the understandably paranoid.

It takes only a few clicks on the IAO's homepage to learn that the agency is presided over by Iran/Contra luminary John Poindexter, just one weapons-running Reagan-era alumnus to find an honored seat in Dubya's star chamber. Also plucked from political ignominy is Elliot Abrams, who has gone from pleading no-contest to charges of perjury before Congress to helping lead the Bush Administration's Mid-East policy. These are only two of the administration's many questionable appointments -- don't even get me started on Henry Kissinger -- but Iran/Contra is a matter of special note to conspiracy trackers. Take the late Mae Brussell, a minor legend to some for her reflections on the Kennedy murder. She once provided scathing alternative assessments of Iran/Contra for her underground radio show, "World Watchers". Like Tom Flocco, Mae Brussell should be taken with some healthy skepticism. Even so, the rage behind her accusations -- she links the Iran/Contra figures with wholesale drug dealing and the CIA with the Jonestown massacre -- is a predictable result when bloody official policies are conducted absent anything resembling consent of the governed.

9. The Reichstag Fire and Operation Northwoods.

Now things get really weird. To those who scoff at the idea that the government could have had foreknowledge of or complicity in the September 11 attacks, conspiracy researchers respond that attacks have been faked or manufactured plenty of times before, usually to maneuver the public into supporting a war they would otherwise oppose. The Nazi party, for instance, most likely set fire to the Reichstag building in order to pin the crime on the communists and galvanize the people behind their police-state tactics. They also forged a fake battle to justify their invasion of Poland (2). Sure, you say, but the Nazis were like that. Unfortunately, similar incidents pop up in the U.S.'s recent past, as well. Frequently mentioned examples include Pearl Harbor -- which many, such as Day of Deceit author Robert Stinnett, feel was allowed to happen to prompt America's entry into World War II -- and the weird Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Researchers discussing this issue often cite an interesting find: an internal Pentagon document from the early 1960s, which appears in James Bamford's book on military subterfuge, Body of Secrets, and puts the lie to the contention that the government would never manufacture incidents or attack its own people to lead the country to war. The Operation Northwoods memo is the result of a brainstorming session on ways to help sell military action in Cuba by fabricating or committing acts of violence and blaming them on Fidel Castro. Among its suggestions: shoot down a plane full of college students, sink an American ship ("casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation"), or rig astronaut John Glenn's rocket to explode. The Northwoods memo invites us to rethink what some in the government might be capable of not only in terms of September 11 but also the Kennedy assassination. After all, if spectacular murders of people like John Glenn are conceivable, is it so fantastic to plot the assassination of a sitting president?

10. Things to Come.

For many writers -- like www.rense.com's Diane Harvey -- the corruption of American empire is relevant, but only as a sidebar. The real problem stems from two incontrovertible facts: that reserves of oil and other non-renewable resources will someday run out, and that on its current course, the Earth is soon to become overloaded with people. If these twin problems go unaddressed, our species faces a gloomy fate. As the situation gets worse, governance in the traditional mode, based around at least the pretense of liberal democracy, will become impossible. Instead, naked power grabs will become the norm for wealthy elites capable of mounting them. "The people"'s job will be simply to provide money and labor for the war machines that make these imperial conquests possible; those who aspire to a role in their own governance beyond subsidizing imperial expansion will be brutally repressed.

Harvey and others feel that such a global transformation has already begun, and episodes like September 11 and the U.S. government's bizarre obsession with oil-laden Iraq are among its harbingers. But, you say, oil supplies look fine from where you sit. According to hard-on-the-eyes website, www.dieoff.org, the problem won't manifest itself all at once, when the world's oil wells suddenly dry up. It is instead happening incrementally, because the rate of production has started to lag behind the world's increasing demand. Among numerous cases in point, www.dieoff.org cites "The Coming Anarchy," an Atlantic Monthly article describing intolerable government repression in the long-neglected region of sub-Saharan Africa. Such will be the harvest of empire for our overextended world: warlordism, brutal dictatorships that verge on chaos -- death, and in vast quantities. I don't know whether these predictions will come to pass. But after this past year, I find the possibility an awful lot easier to imagine (29).

Honorable Mentions

The top 10 conspiracy theories, speculations, and plain odd things I didn't have space to discuss here:




The Mel Carnahan and Paul Wellstone plane crashes.
Jeb Bush's 7 September 2001 martial law declaration in Florida (Executive Order 01-261).
The Flight 93 debris patterns and the ease with which the Flight 93 story that circulated in the major media fits into an archetypal "hero" narrative.
Warren Buffett, who -- among with several other World Trade Center executives -- went to Offutt AFB before the attacks on the morning of September 11. This is where Bush went after the attacks began.
Potential CIA links to the coup in Venezuela.
Cynthia McKinney's insinuation of possible government complicity in September 11 on the floor of Congress.


The Phoenix memo and the curious case of the FBI whistleblowers.
The idea that the anti-aircraft missiles used when Bush visited Genoa, Italy, we intended to thwart a kamikaze attack.
The Bin Laden family's clandestine flight out of the United States in the days after September 11.
Bush's 6 August 2001, comprehensive briefing, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

yeahrightwhateverz said...

Hmmm, doesnt sound like the Feds are dropping anything anytime soon (another fallacy?). Looks like Justice777777 was right about some of the brokers being sought out. Wonder which ones are going to sell out? Cant believe it would be golden boy billy cause he premiered on the DVD and is Kurts only friend. Wonder what billys indictment means for the PeeonYew organization? Hey, but dont worry, rush out and open up your banking account cause the claim form is comin real soon.

Holyelizabeth said...

so run this by me again...
Someone pays for building materials, land, permits and labor. Through a bank loan he can achieve this. He builds a house, sells it to a buyer. All of a sudden the buyer doesn't owe anything on the house thanks to the Dorean "process". Somebody paid for the building, so tell me again why the buyer gets it for free? and who ends up eating the cost?
Answer: The cost is rolled up into the loans of all those who paying house payments. yep, somebody is eating it. it's all the rest of us .

g-unit said...

Holyelizabeth said...
so run this by me again...

you first, explain how a lender doesnt lend you assets but lends you credit they never had before you filled out a application, opens a account in your name that you didnt know of, that you deposited the funds into that account for the loan (according to the banks own audit records), and then draws a check from that account and then charges you 345 percent interest and calls it 6 percent amortized interest and if you miss your payments the lender keeps your property..
then i will answer your question

g-unit said...

and p.s.
no one eats the cost, how can you be damaged when you never lent anything? if i add a debit entry on the books for 5,000 out of thin air, and cut you a check for credit, (not the hard assets in the bank vault), and you dont pay me back. I lost nothing, and neither did the rest of the populace. but if your a bank you can then take the property, charming isnt it.
welcome to the bankers way of life, where greed is called ambition, and corruption is called helping you live your dreams

son of a prophet said...

there you go con on the cob-

you startin' ta get the hang o' it....i thawt you was a 'g' man there fo a while.....


like a congressman just recently said....'they is millons mo fo da wo, but no mo fo the po...'

translation:

Holyelizabeth said...

you can't live somewhere and not pay for it. somebody paid for the building and labor. if you don't like the way the banks work, just pay all cash........ that's pretty straightforward.

And yes, like any retail store, etc, the cost of item (in this case , loan) includes pilferage . if you sell a product, you have to factor in a percentage for those that will just take the product and not pay you.

son of a prophet said...

who said....'they is millons mo fo da wo, but no mo fo da po...'


Ans.) a certain rep from NY state.


"there is millions more for the war, but no more for the poor"

g-unit said...

if you don't like the way the banks work, just pay all cash........

if you or I did what the EXACT same thing the banks did, you would be thrown in jail for securities fraud, hmm sounds one sided to me. but a bank is called noble for helping people

factoring in a percentage does not equal 345,000 paid back on a 100,000 loan from thin air, yes the loan came out of thin air. that is the president of the banks own words on the record in federal court under testimony, if you care to read the case. good day

tcob247 said...

SO little PP

You caught me!!
I do work for the G
The Illuminatti calls George Bush and tells him to call me
He says to me "TCOB, you got to get on that Dorean Blog. There is a guy on there named SOP and he is opening everybodies eyes to our conspiracy. You've got to stop it. You are our only hope TCOB.
If worse comes to worse just talk him into a hunting trip with the VP. We'll take care of him.

On another note SOPP
I think the G should listen to you and dismantle the Military and cut every cent of spending on it and immediately send the billions of dollars saved to evey Katrina victim. They should build them all brand new homes and pay for anything they need.
The G really dropped the ball not being the before the storm hit and shielding them from the wind.
It is afterall the G's job to make sure we a recomfortable from cradle to grave.
Right?

cigs645 said...

How is the Bank of Latvia account doing Kurt? Are they feeding you well in prison. Why don't you post an accounting of the millions of $$ in upfront fees you and your "associates" collected from vulnerable people in trouble? complete with the names of the offshore banks that money is sitting in. One by one they are arresting you guys, not for whistleblowing, for defrauding so many happy TDG homeowner clients. Getting rich off the backs of desperate people is your business. Why don't you refund those people money . some of them could use it to eat and feed their families

cigs645 said...

How is the Bank of Latvia account doing Kurt? Are they feeding you well in prison. Why don't you post an accounting of the millions of $$ in upfront fees you and your "associates" collected from vulnerable people in trouble? complete with the names of the offshore banks that money is sitting in. One by one they are arresting you guys, not for whistleblowing, for defrauding so many happy TDG homeowner clients. Getting rich off the backs of desperate people is your business. Why don't you refund those people money . some of them could use it to eat and feed their families

vertyu said...
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vertyu said...

you can't live somewhere and not pay for it."

You can live somewhere and not continually have to pay for it if real money was used to purchase it. You can't use real money to buy a home because if you own the property they wouldn't be able to assess a tax on it.

You can't own anything using debt notes. That's why mortgage elimination doesn't work. The mortgage elimination game is about who owns the property. The banks will never claim they own the property because that would reveal the true creditor. If they revealed the true creditor then you could bring them in and sue them instead of the bank. That will never happen.

son of a prophet said...

all you anti-DG sheeple...

you should really hope that the DG is successful in this.

if the fraud by the banks continues, they are going to own all of you.

see, soon after you wont be paying your mtg. cause you aint gonna have a job to pay it with.

if you manufacture something, that job in a few years will be done in China.

if you do any type of service job, McD's, city, state, fed, those jobs will go to immigrant workers for less than 1/2 of what you are paid now.

got kids? got grandkids? think they gonna have a future? they wont have one if things dont change my friend.

but i know, youre too short sighted and blind to see it.

saving for your kids or grandkids college fund? dont bother, they wont ever see college the way things are going.

might as well spend it on them now before you or they wont be around to spend it on them.

this will happen even if you got a nice cushy job with the 'g'

you wont for long.

neodemes said...

"you should really hope that the DG is successful in this."

When are you going to WAKE UP?

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

The Dorean Process has failed.

People trusted them and lost their money and their homes.

The principles and brokers (and, who knows, maybe the clients themselves) are going to do serious time.

Take your whining little anti-American friends under each arm and swim to another country.

tcob247 said...

What do you do for a living SOP?

Why on the world do you go on living? That little mind of yours really must be dark?

Do you smile or laugh or play with your children?

WOW
I'm glad I don't hang around you
I like upbeat positve people

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

Are the black helio-copterz still hoovering 'bove ye house.
Better not go outside yet, TCOB is a waitin for ye wit a dooble barrel shotgin. Yeah, he borrowed from the Veep. LOL

vertyu said...

You cannot eliminate a mortgage by refinancing it. Thus, the program was not about eliminating mortgages, but about creating mortgages. At least that is the focus of the indictment.

Even if Kurt and Scott are successful exposing the banker's scam, the jury is going to throw up when they hear about the refinancing part.

whyudothat said...

vertyu said...
You cannot eliminate a mortgage by refinancing it.

unfortunately i have to agree with that post, i dont know if that was greed or ignorance by dorean but that doesnt sound right

son of a prophet said...

neodemonic said..."Take your whining little anti-American friends under each arm and swim to another country."




the anti-american freinds whom you are referring to are your govt. my friend. it is they who are selling you out, not i.

dont have to bleeve it. like you fond of saying...'check back with me in a few years, and we'll see what has happened.

face it. your govt. has sold you out just like they sold out the sheeple on 9/11, just like they are selling out the soldiers in iraq, and it goes on and on and on....

when they are done using sheeple like you to come after people like me, geuss what...after that its YOU that they are coming after my friend, and your kids and grandkids..

you just remember what i have said so in a few years we can discuss it.

until then, you win ok....for now...

Gforce said...

I for one, do NOT have a problem with the refi in the DG process. It is only getting back the 300%plus interest the bankers have been stealing from us for decades. Quite frankly, these bankers are NOT the rightful owners of ANY assets in their possession. Their job has been to pile and heap up wealth to be HANDED OVER to the righteous. Read Ecc.2:26--James 5---Job27:13-23--Hab.2:6--and many more. One way or another, the wealth in their possession WILL BE HANDED OVER!! "...what he lays up, the righteous will wear, and the innocent will divide his silver." This is a God thing, do not bother fighting it!

Holyelizabeth said...

Remember the movie the wizard of oz where the great and powerful wizard is bellowing behind a curtain? finally toto the dog pulls the curtain aside.
who is really the brains behind Dorean?

Holyelizabeth said...

Back to basics now: nobody likes banks, but that doesn't mean anyone has the right to cancel mortgages, and better yet, refi and pocket the money with brokers and the "homeowner'. Two wrongs don't make it right.

There are other means of protesting the banks besides being Robin Hood. The rules for banks and individuals are not the same. That should have been the big 'ah hah' for some the first time around.

Pay cash (yes, you can do that), or rent an apartment. Stay out of the loan business.

g-unit said...

you are half right elizabeth, if the bank didnt disclose the fact that you funded the loan, there is no consideration from the banks side and that DOES make the contract FRAUD and NULL and VOID from the start even if payments have been made (that has already held up in court).

IF you go back and get another refi though gforce form the same, the doctrine of clean hands has to be questioned and dorean will have a hard time with that one i believe.

yeahrightwhateverz said...

cigs645, agreed. If Kurt had kept any one of his many empty promises to take care of his clients, maybe they wouldnt turn on him. This to me is shaping up to be a repeat to what Kurt did to the many investors in his last fiasco, they got FUCKED.

Dont expect there to ever be a website revealed if Kurt gets convicted. Sorry, but the reality is the clients were only collateral damage.

neodemes said...

Does anyone really believe that it is difficult to toss together a website, or that a web site is even necessary for the so-called claims process?

Even Farrel knew that UCC bs wasn't going to cut it.

Face it, there are no judgements, no foreign investors and no claims.

You have been conned.

Sad, but true.

Trying to justify re-fi, with no intent to pay at the outset, is just plain low.

The big money for Dorean would have been in the proceeds from those re-fi's, with the clients twisting in the breeze with two mortgages and no equity, while the duo laughed like hell all the way to Latvia.

son of a prophet said...

funny how everybody wanna get all over the DG accusing them on conning people.

the govt. cons you everyday of your life, but you say nothing aabout it.

the govt. conned 200,000,000 million sheeple that 9/11 was done by 19 arabs with box cutters.

i mean, come on...if you bleeve that one, i got lots o real estate to sell you, and you wont even need a mortgage for it.

eeverytime i hear the box cutter story, i get chest pain from laughing. so you was conned, too. nobody blaming you for it, so ease up.

an the girl on the plane who made a call form her cell phone...what was her cell phone connected to a portable satellite dish they let her take on the plane?? heheheheheheee...........


and who is selling your ports to the enemy?? not the DG. but your govt.

dont complain when s**t happens.

remember my freind, your kids and your grandkids have NO FUTURE IF THINGS DONT CHANGE!

make you angry?? i bet it does. but just place the blame where it belong. your govt.

ask the ppl of nawlins how the govt. helped them. when the next disaster happen, yo govt. will help you alright, right to the graveyard. but its just nawlins, you say. it doesnt matter to me.

just wait. controlled govt. sponsored terrorism coming to a theatre near you soon.

remember, your kids and grandkids.

son of a prophet said...

just so you know that i am an equal opportunity employer, the the same thing is happening in the state of israel. their govt. selling them out too.

they keep giving their ppl all this bs about making peace and all that. all it is is bulls**t. govt. selling them out while pretending to make peace.

throught history, teh govt. always sell out their ppl.

they even do it along racial lines too.

when you wnat to sell out white ppl. use a white guy

when you want to sell out black pple , use a black guy.

chinese, use a chinese.

want to sell out the jews, use a jew. for money, he sell out his own, like judas did for 30 shelkels.

because ppl always trust their own kind. so it makes it so much easire to sell them out. they wont trust foreigners.

Holyelizabeth said...

There's so many good causes out there, odd that the father, son and holy ghost(we must believe that Scot exists in spirt here), picked mortgage 'elimination'. Was there a history behind all this?

tcob247 said...

Yup son of little PP

200 million people got conned by 911 and YOU are the only one who knows ALL the answers.

They just pulled the wool over every single person.

The Government drove those planes into the sides of buildings

The people on the plane that crashed in PA fought the Government to keep them from going after the White House

Please tell us more oh wise one.
Is the Holy Spirit telling you all of this or is it the Spirits you are drinking?

neodemes said...

tcob,

SOP is just a DG plant (as in vegetable) trying to draw atention away from the obvious:

Dorean failed and they're going to jail.

Game over.

you will know them by their fruit said...

gforce, you are exactly the reason I am here on this blog. You have been fooled by false teachers. Nevermind that Dorean is done. Your loss is actually being removed from the Word of God, and His will within. His words are not in your heart, they are just words supporting a scam. That is your true loss--the scamming scholars have removed you from God. Hopefully, some day, His words, and their intended meaning will touch your heart.

Until then . . .

2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.





(A note on Skip Over Post (sop). If you don't respond to him, he will have to go away for survival, like a tic. The only ones who like him here are Doreanites and they are too busy looking over their shoulders to post much anymore)

KYHOOYA said...

To neo-REI-lamO

I don't hear any answer to my question. What is the problem? It's is a simpl...

Here I will post it again if you need any fact's then go back and read there all there I've heard you many time on here say that the bank's are doing nothing wrong that interest rate they charge is just fine.

For one arn't you a realastate investor? and would'nt it be soom what of a loss leader for you to side with anything that would cause less interest?

You see no matter what you are telling everyone the plain truth iterest rate go's up and you invest in house that are forclosed on & turn a burn them or the codst alows for you to hold them and rent them.
REI= you make money that way so what the bank does isget you a market of house so sure you like how they do business

When the rate go's down people buy more hause and it will be a time for you to sell those that you were holding because it would mean the market is hot and there are less house as fixers so well you still make money you are starting to use some of that.

That is your interest in the banking end of this story ,I'm sure of that.
Now why don't you answer this question

If bank loan you money on your house and will take it if you don't pay them along with all the EQ in the ( and don't say they give you the differance after the sale that's bull) why then is ist if you go get a loan on your 401-k or other retir. acct asset you don't get fuck like you do on the house loan


Hint both are your asset but only one screws you and it 's not in a good way nether LOL

KYHOOYA said...

To neo-REI-lamO

I don't hear any answer to my question. What is the problem? It's is a simpl...

Here I will post it again if you need any fact's then go back and read there all there I've heard you many time on here say that the bank's are doing nothing wrong that interest rate they charge is just fine.

For one arn't you a realastate investor? and would'nt it be soom what of a loss leader for you to side with anything that would cause less interest?

You see no matter what you are telling everyone the plain truth iterest rate go's up and you invest in house that are forclosed on & turn a burn them or the codst alows for you to hold them and rent them.
REI= you make money that way so what the bank does isget you a market of house so sure you like how they do business

When the rate go's down people buy more hause and it will be a time for you to sell those that you were holding because it would mean the market is hot and there are less house as fixers so well you still make money you are starting to use some of that.

That is your interest in the banking end of this story ,I'm sure of that.
Now why don't you answer this question

If bank loan you money on your house and will take it if you don't pay them along with all the EQ in the ( and don't say they give you the differance after the sale that's bull) why then is ist if you go get a loan on your 401-k or other retir. acct asset you don't get fuck like you do on the house loan


Hint both are your asset but only one screws you and it 's not in a good way nether LOL

KYHOOYA said...

To neo-REI-lamO

I don't hear any answer to my question. What is the problem? It's is a simpl...

Here I will post it again if you need any fact's then go back and read there all there I've heard you many time on here say that the bank's are doing nothing wrong that interest rate they charge is just fine.

For one arn't you a realastate investor? and would'nt it be soom what of a loss leader for you to side with anything that would cause less interest?

You see no matter what you are telling everyone the plain truth iterest rate go's up and you invest in house that are forclosed on & turn a burn them or the codst alows for you to hold them and rent them.
REI= you make money that way so what the bank does isget you a market of house so sure you like how they do business

When the rate go's down people buy more hause and it will be a time for you to sell those that you were holding because it would mean the market is hot and there are less house as fixers so well you still make money you are starting to use some of that.

That is your interest in the banking end of this story ,I'm sure of that.
Now why don't you answer this question

If bank loan you money on your house and will take it if you don't pay them along with all the EQ in the ( and don't say they give you the differance after the sale that's bull) why then is ist if you go get a loan on your 401-k or other retir. acct asset you don't get fuck like you do on the house loan


Hint both are your asset but only one screws you and it 's not in a good way nether LOL

KYHOOYA said...

LOAN BROKERS ARE CROCK'S AND THE BANK'S THAT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM ARE TO.

IF YOU HAVE TO HIDE WHAT YOURR DOING THEM SOMETHING AN'T RIGHT

BUT THE BANK KEEP ON SUPPORTING THEM BY KEEPING THING'S SECERT WHEN IT CVOMES TO TURTH THE BANK'S ON THE UP AND UP I DON'T THIMK SO THEY ASR AS BAD AS BROKERS ARE AND THEY WON'T GIVE YOU THAT RATE WILL THEY THE BROKER ONLY GET'S THAT RATE

WHERES THE DISCOUNT FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD HUH?/ WHY DO THEY GET THE SPECIAL RATE WHEN WE HAVEW TO PAY RETAIL EVERYWHERE ELSAFUCKING CROCKS OF SHHIT THAT ALL THERE IS TO IOT


IF YOU UNDERHANDED IN YOUR BUSINESS THEM DON'T CRY WHEN SOMEONE FINDS OUT AND DOS'T WANT TO PAY YOU ANY MORE


AND THAT COST FOR THAT TO BANK IS NOTHING B



COST TO ADVERTISE WOULD BE MORE THAT THE COST THAT BANK HAVET COVERD AND THEN SOME THERE ALL UNDERHANDE3D JUST LOOK AT THE WAY IT ALL GO WITH THE DEAL AND HOW THEY HIDE THING'S /
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Solvo said...

neodemes said...
Dorean failed and they're going to jail.

Game over.

Don't hold your breath, nemo. This "game" is headed to extra innings.

Solvo said...

vertyu said...
Even if Kurt and Scott are successful exposing the banker's scam, the jury is going to throw up when they hear about the refinancing part.

Do you think it will get that far? Do you honestly think that the banks are going to admit what's happened with the loan, why they didn't answer the presentment, and take the chance of a sway of public opinion? It won't get that far.

son of a prophet said...

I don't hear any answer to my question. What is the problem? It's is a simpl



WHO SOLE OUT THE PORTS TO THE ENEMY?
WHO SOLE OUT THE PORTS TO THE ENEMY?
WHO SOLE OUT THE PORTS TO THE ENEMY?


cant answer that one huh?

cant anser tht one b-coss it was the boogie man who done.


no conspircy needed. it was the boogie man.

keep bleevin' your own BS

remember, it your kids and g-kids future is gone.

son of a prophet said...

don worry you be buyin lots of 4-closed house soon, as nobody will have job to pay the mortgage.

hang on a bit. the new world order come in pretty soon. they give you a house free. don need a mtg.

just like all the mexicos got a free hose in arizone. the guy in arizone yell out his windals...

'hay, wassa motta witchoo...wha dun yo go bock to mayheeco wha yo beelawns...'


don wurry, it all bee over soons...

son of a prophet said...

Sold As A Child Sacrifice To The Illuminati Cult, Victim Survives Ritualistic Drowning To Tell Her Story. High Level Officials and Nazi War Criminals Involved, Including Ronald Reagan and Nazi Joseph Mengele

Mauri tells about satanic horror stories beginning in Cedar City, Utah, and then moving to southern California where her life became a nightmare filled with cult torure and abuse.


By Greg Szymanski


Mauri had a tough beginning, being sold by her parents to an Illuminati cult group as a child sacrifice.



At the age of three, offered up in a bathtub drowning, she miraculously survived, coming back from the dead on a slab in a Cedar City, Utah, morgue.



But from that day forward, death may have been a better alternative. It may have been better since Mauri's life became a living hell.



Now, at age 63, she wants to tell it all, telling all the grizzly details of her life filled with torture and sex slavery, since she fears the Illuminati, - whose Luciferian philosophy is based in torture and abuse - is now setting the American public up for fascist takeover.



"They must be stopped," proclaimed Mauri as she told her story on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal. "I hope my story let's the American people know how devious and dangerous these people really are."



And regarding the details of her own tragic story, starting with being sold by her parents in exchange for a house to an Illuminati cult group, involving high-level influential members, she reflected back at the painful and humiliating experience.



"Why a drowning? I had a birth certificate, two loving grandmothers, and most of my large extended Mormon family was not cult, so my death had to look like an accident," recalled Mauri about her lifetime of abuse within the clutches of the feared Illuminati.



"When the cult got wind of the fact that I survived, after all the trouble and expense they had gone to, my family was in big trouble. Within six months that 'nice Nazi doctor' relocated us two states away in sunny California."



Looking back at her past torture and abuse, Maui recalled the specifics of the painful drowning experience as a tear came to her eye.

"I opened my eyes, and I felt my tiny naked body lying flat on a hard cold object without sides. I sat up pushing back the white sheet covering my head and then looked around the small room in which I lay. I felt peaceful and relaxed as my eyes focused on the walls that were made of shiny clean white tiles spaced with clean white grout. Except for a sink and the equipment in the room, I was alone, hidden and safe. I assume I was in the hospital morgue.

"Drowning victims were occasionally taken for dead, when in fact they weren't. I had experienced something called the mammalian diving reflex. I must have satisfied all three of the requirements for stimulating the response. I was young, my face was suddenly submerged and the water was cold. Apparently, until you warmed up, you appeared quite dead even to trained medical personnel. And you could be submerged as long as 38 minutes with little or no brain damage if the reflex was stimulated, which under perfect conditions occasionally happened.

"In my reading, one version of the Black Mass was similar to a Catholic Mass, but instead of wine, water, from a well in which an unbaptized baby had drowned, was used. That would explain why the water in which I was drowned was cold. Perhaps they had filled the tub with well water, which would have been the ambient temperature of fall, or cold. It might have also explained the toys in the tub.

"They were there to keep my mind off the cold water. I didn't think I was allowed toys. Such meticulous worshipers, their adherence to detail may have saved my life. Undoubtedly their intention, like good little depression era witches, was to save every drop. Over and over, they could put up my picture, drink a little Unholy water, and wallow in how evil they all had been."

Reflecting on her ritualistic death that backfired for the cult, she tried to put it in prospective with others who researched similar cases..

"The books by Aleister Crowley said the satanic sacrifice was done to release energy through the death agony. I interpret that to mean, the more agony, the more energy, the better the ceremony," said Mauri. "Ritualistic deaths were most often performed by fire, by drowning and by blood letting, according to the literature. All were potentially slow and painful ways to go, lots of death agony.

" It was a religion in which life meant nothing more than a twenty-minute ritual ending in someone's torture and death. Whatever they did in the ritual after my death, if I was sticky with semen or dirty, they could simply dunk me back into the water or hose me off, put tears in their eyes, wrap my nude body in a blanket and dispose of my corpse at the local hospital. The system would take care of the rest. They were always good at making the system work for them."

Mauri said the main reason for going public with her story is she wanted to "wake up Americans," warning them that the very same people who are torturing and abusing children through satanic worshipping have positioned themselves into high-level government posts, including controlling the Executive branch and the White House.



"Bush is one of them and there are many others,' said Mauri. "When I was in California, I remember Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Bob Hope and Nazi war criminal, Joseph Mengele, were involved in the ritualistic ceremonies.



Regarding the specifics of the encounters with many high profile figures, Mauri added:

"One can't paint an accurate picture of one's life unless one has all the memory pieces. When parts are repressed, one does not see the whole. If the repression is large, a life-time is spend filling in, adding, and re-arranging one's history as each new bit of information from flashbacks or memories must be interpreted and fit in. That interpretation is based on what one already knows, or what one thinks one knows. In the time-line of false to real, statistics plays a role.

"If one person remembers something that no one else remembers, it can easily be judged as false. But, if five remember, them ten the memory must move down the scale toward real. I state this because one of the childhood lovers I remember was Ronald Reagan, another was Richard P. Feynman. I state these memories, not as an accusation, but only as one person's recollection. To become a part of the historical record, it must be accompanied by the memories of many other survivors. But, unlike the memories of others, that include the rich and powerful, my memories are sad. Sad for me and sad for them.

"I met them around 1950 at a mansion in Pasadena, California (home of Cal Tech, JPL and the Pasadena Playhouse, not to mention the O.T.O.) My job was as a part of the entertainment to provide sexual pleasure in a cute, novel way, as a child under ten. The room that I worked was full of men the Nazis had their eye on, men of potential power and influence. Compromise them, take a photo and they are in, a part of the "Good Ol' Boys" club. Evidence of sex with a pre-pubescent child is a powerful blackmail tool for their future control. Never mind that they might be drunk or drugged or both.

"The room that I worked was not full of pedophiles, making my job all the harder. As I worked my way around the sex ring, I developed my future goals, as all children do. It was to be fetching, charming, intelligent, and beautiful, so that when Prince Charming saw me, across a semen filled room, I would be rescued. Was this love partner Prince Charming, or maybe that? I waited, was deserted, abandoned, and I waited again. If Prince Charming had better things to do than rescue me, then I wanted to do those things too. So I became excited about what went on in the room along with the men, and it wasn't sex. I remember the real excitement was in the conversation about science or politics. I was a part of those planning history. We were going to the moon!

"Were photos of Feynman or Reagan taken in compromising positions with children? It would appear. From his biography, just round 1950, Ronald Reagan suddenly changed his politics and moved in a new direction toward a Brave New World. Feynman went on to a distinguished career, even winning a Nobel prize for his contributions to Nazi Physics. It is highly likely that the Pasadena Mansion was the home of the famed rocket scientist Jack Parsons.

"I also remember other famous guests such as John Wayne, Howard Hughes and my vote for the anti-Christ, Edward Teller (father of the Hydrogen Bomb and Chemtrails) . There appears to be some historical physical evidence for the slime that has leaked from my subconscious mind about my notorious past. This activity also peaked the interest of the FBI."

Mauri also recalled how her life immediately changed after not obeying the instructions of one of the Nazi's who regularly visited the home she stayed at in Manhattan Beach, California, owned by a woman named Mrs. Hildebrand.

"I remember Mrs. Hildebrand's friend handing me a knife. He wanted me to use it to kill a chicken," said Mauri. "I was very agitated about the use of a knife. I had refused to cut up my doll, five years earlier, and it was a stand I was not going to back down on. After all, I had gotten away with it then. An intense psychological struggle began, his will verses mine. He grabbed at my arms painfully, then the chicken, white feathers flapping wildly, he strangled the chicken with his bare hands. We moved on to his next task. I was ordered to cut myself. I was not going to cut myself! Why should I become one of them? I thought I would pass out at the very thought of cutting myself. I felt immobilized, frozen. Perhaps it was time to leave the body. It's hard to program someone when they keep passing out, leaving the body behind. It was my strategy. If I was not present what could they do?

"Having crossed Mrs. Hildebrand's friend, they were now mad at me. No bad deed goes unpunished. My waist length hair was ordered cut and all my meager possessions removed. Isn't that what they did at Auschwitz? You may be sure I felt steps from the ovens. And I was well aware of who I was dealing with, having seen many of the post war pictures of the Holocaust.

"That's how traumatized I was by the emotion under which it was cut. My life changed. No longer did I rub noses with the rich and powerful. I was demoted to breeder under the tutelage of my parents and their coven. What a fall from grace. I no longer worked the room. Now the room worked me, as I was regularly gang raped. But wait! Maybe it wasn't such a change after all. I had few possessions before and eventually my hair did grow back. And being raped by one stranger isn't that much different from another. The Nazis were gone; and the members of my parent's coven were nicer."

Editor's Note: Mauri finally left the clutches of the Illuminati, being emotionally and mentally scared for life as she still is battling difficulties with multiple personality disorders due to MKULTRA and other mind control programs used on her throughout the years. To read more about more story go to www.reflectionsinthenight.com.

KYHOOYA said...

To: All And Any Brokers,title officers,bank personel,realators, ect.

Neo-real not REI

The first thing I think about is is how did you find your way on hear ? were you a client? Did you stop shortof that? did you have clients? were you title on a loan? ect.

Now any of you that were in this as one of these personel or job titles alomg with the rest of you spoutting off you big mouth's about how your were scamed (that includes your to Tcob and clients) I just want to say

SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH ALL YOUR FINGER POINTING
You are ether trying to convince your self that some how you are not an adult and new exactly what you were doing or that some how you were brain washed just long enough for you to send money aand sign paper.

The fact is one of three things and that's it nothing more but you can try and keep telling yourself how you werescamed

1 your so stupid that my 7 yr. old better come and handle your money from now on

2 you were tring to get a way with something you thought was a shady deal in the first place and did'nt care &would of taken the money an ran if you got the chance so who are you to be pointing the finger at anyone but yourself

3 you were in short term going to be losing your home anyway and did not have the money or info to save it and you when for this as a last stich chance at saving your house. you did'nt care what the fine point were then and now you need some one to blam so you don't look bad.

Oh my mistake there not three there is four

4 I can not come up with any way that anyone could think that this wasn't a betting deal and that the chances of it working without any of the bank's not fighting back some how ,you know just rolling over and giving you your house and then when you did to them again say OK to that also .


So I will conclude with this There are time when you need to stand up and face the music wheather that mean's you have to tell some people you talked into this along withyourself and then they got in to a problem ( but again theres is no differant than your) i would tell them that as for the rest if you can't do what I just said and you still want people to beleave that you are so takin and didn't no any better and the big bad men took your stuff than I am sorry for you but NO FUCKING WAY YOU DID NOT NO WHAT YOUR WERE DOING AGAIN MY 7YR. OLD DAUGHTER WOULD HAVE CHECK OUT THE FACTS AND SHE COULD TELL WHAT RIGHT FROM WRONG FROM THE AGE OF 3 SO IN LESS YOU UNDER THAT AGE THAN


FOR THE LOVE OF PETE WOULD QUIT COMING HERE AND SAYING HOW YOU WERESCAMED AND THAT YOU DI'NT KNOW THAT THERE WASN'T ANY RICK IN IT AND THAT IF IT WASN'T FOR THISPROGREAM AND ALL THE LIES YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST FINE AND NEVER LOST A THING

BULL SHIT

THE FACT THAT SOMEONE TELLS YOU SOMETHING AND SAID IT WAS TRUE IS ALL THAT YOU NEED TO PUT THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT OF YOU LIFE FOR MOST ANYWAY WITHOUT CHECKING ANYTHING, YOU MUST GET TAKEN ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE SELLING AND LIE EVERYDAY
NOW QUIT BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR MISTAKES OR YOUR MISSFORTUNE.
nOW FOR THE ONE S THAT WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BACK YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD PLZ DO FIRST YOU CAN SPELL CHECK THIS TILL YOUR HAPPY WITHIT i DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IT TAKE'S LONG ENOUGH TO TYPE THE DAM POINT HERE LET ALONG GO BACK OVER IT I'M SURE YOU GET THE BASE MESSAGE I'M MAKING SO HAVE AT THE CORRECTION'S IF YOU NEED TO BUT IT DON'T MEAN DICK TO ME IF i WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME i COULD MAKE IT ALL NICE AND NEAT BUT i NOT SO THERE NENERE NENER NENER YOU CAN'T MAKE ME THIS IS LIKE A BAD DAYTIME SOAP PROGRAM YOU NO ITS WASTEING YOU TIME AND STUPID BUT YOU JUST CAN'T TURN IT OFF AND i NEED TO CHANGE THE CHANEL ALITTLE BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE GETTING OLD IT NOBODY BUT YOU THE REST IS ALL THE BULL SHIT TO TRY AND M,AKE UP FOR YOU MAKING A CHOISE AND NOT LIKING THE END RESULTS TO BAD GET OVERIT AND IF YOYU LOST YOUR HAOUS YOU WERE GOING TO ANY WAY OR YOU WOULD HAVE PUT THE MONEY AWAY JUST IN CASE IT HAD A PROBLE .

i'M DONE i HAVE MORE BUT I'LL SAVE FOR LATER GET OVER IT i ;M SURE YOU NO WHAT'S WHAT AND GET ON WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND QUIT STALLING HERE

Stillwaiting said...

In the following press release United States Attorney Kevin V. Ryan (Oakland, California) announced that a federal grand jury in Oakland indicted Dale Scott Heineman, 45, Kurt F. Johnson, 42, the Dorean Group, and four Dorean Group "brokers" in a 68-count superseding indictment charging mail fraud, bank fraud, conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud, and contempt of court. The superseding indictment, returned late yesterday, has added charges of mail fraud, bank fraud, and conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud against the following four Dorean Group "brokers":

United States Attorney Kevin V. Ryan

William Julian, 42, Cayce, South Carolina,

Farrel J. LeCompte, Jr., 35, Kingwood, Texas,

Sara J. Magoon, 29, Hamilton, Montana, and

Charles Dewey Tobias, 58, of Longwood, Florida.

These charges are the result of an investigation by the FBI.

The principals of the Dorean Group are Dale Scott Heineman of Union City, California, and Kurt F. Johnson, of Sunnyvale, California. They, along with the Dorean Group and four of its brokers, are charged with operating a debt elimination scheme whereby fraudulent documents are recorded as part of their clients’ titles to allegedly transfer lenders’ secured interests in the properties when the corresponding mortgage and home equity loans had not been paid. With this fraudulently-generated free and clear title, some clients, at the direction of the Dorean Group, obtained hundreds of thousands of dollars in home equity loans from independent lenders.

Heineman and Johnson also face contempt of court charges for violating a restraining order and preliminary injunction which prohibited the Dorean Group from engaging in any activities related to its mortgage elimination scheme. The charges in the superseding indictment relate to 24 properties in California, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Washington with a value of over $6 million. The FBI continues to investigate more than

550 properties throughout 35 states with a potential value of greater than $88 million in loans that may have been affected by this alleged scheme. The FBI is also investigating properties in 19 California counties affected by this alleged scheme.

U.S. Attorney Kevin V. Ryan stated, "Homeowners should be cautious of offers that sound too good to be true. This alleged scheme violates mortgage agreements between the lender and borrower and taints property titles by recording false documents on the title of a home. Manipulating property titles and interfering with mortgage loans with the intent to defraud is illegal and will result in prosecution."

Joseph Ford, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in San Francisco, stated, "Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson are accused of being con artists in a sophisticated telemarketing scheme. They are alleged to have incorporated the internet to further their criminal enterprise, which is nationwide in scope and has significant impact on the housing market in the U.S. Because cyberspace has no borders, the FBI is working with its law enforcement partners from around the world to address these growing crimes."

According to the indictment, the Dorean Group is an unlicensed and unincorporated entity that has been operating a purported debt elimination program since at least January 2004. The Dorean Group uses brokers to promote its program. On various websites, the Dorean Group and its brokers publically advertise that they have a "PROVEN, legal and moral way of eliminating your mortgage while adding $32K to your pocket (*based on a $200,000 mortgage)."

According to the superseding indictment, the Dorean Group’s scheme to defraud operated as follows:

(1) Fee: The client pays an up-front fee of approximately $1,000 to $3,000 per loan to be eliminated and promises to make a "free-will offering of 50% of the REDEEMED mortgage." The redeemed mortgage (dubbed a refinance loan in websites promoting this scheme) refers to a subsequent equity loan obtained from a separate lender based upon the Dorean Group’s fraudulent recordation representing that the initial mortgage loan secured by the property had been fully satisfied.

(2) Transfer of Title: Once the initial fee is paid, the Dorean Group forms a trust with its client, the trustees of which are Heineman and Johnson. The client records a quitclaim deed with the local county recorder’s office, which allegedly transfers the borrower’s title interests to this trust. However, typical mortgage agreements between a borrower and a lender require the lender’s consent before the borrower may transfer his/her title interests. According to the superseding indictment, no lender granted Heineman, Johnson, or the Dorean Group permission to act on behalf of the borrower under the applicable mortgage agreements.

(3) Self-Executing Presentment Packet: The Dorean Group subsequently mails a "self- executing presentment packet" to the lender of its client’s loan. In this packet, the Dorean Group claims to act on behalf of the borrower, demanding proof of the validity of the lender’s loan "to the unilateral satisfaction of the Dorean Group" within 10 days. If this burden is not met, documents in the packet allege that, due to the lender’s "tacit assent" and "default," Heineman and/or Johnson of the Dorean Group will act as the lender’s agent and attorney-in-fact as to the loan and the secured property. In addition, if the lender elects to attempt to prove the validity of its loan, but fails to do so "to the unilateral satisfaction of the Dorean Group," the lender, according to the packet, is liable to the Dorean Group for damages twenty times the amount of the loan.

(4) Substitution of Trustee: After 10 days has elapsed, Heineman, Johnson and the Dorean Group prepare a "Substitution of Trustee," or, depending on jurisdiction, a "Specific Power of Attorney" or "Power of Attorney," that is recorded as part of the title to its client’s property. This recordation claims that Heineman and/or Johnson is acting as agent and attorney-in-fact on behalf of the lender. According to the indictment, no lender has authorized Heineman, Johnson, or the Dorean Group to act either as its agent or attorney-in-fact.

(5) Full Reconveyance: Under this false representation, Heineman, Johnson and the Dorean Group prepare a "Full Reconveyance" or, depending on jurisdiction, "Discharge of Mortgage" or "Satisfaction of Mortgage," that is recorded as part of the title to its client’s property. In this document, Heineman and/or Johnson of the Dorean Group – allegedly acting on behalf of the lender – represents that the loan secured by the property has been fully satisfied, when the loan had not been repaid. In this recordation, Heineman and/or Johnson purportedly transfers the lender’s secured interests in the client’s property to the client’s trust established by the Dorean Group, causing the property title to falsely appear unencumbered.

(6) Subsequent Home Equity Loan: With what appears to be free and clear title, and pursuant to its standard client service agreement, the Dorean Group directs its clients to seek a subsequent "refinance loan,"or home equity loan, from a separate lender with the apparently-unencumbered property serving as the security for the loan. When the loan disbursement is obtained, the Dorean Group receives 50% of its proceeds, the Dorean Group broker (who solicited the client) receives 10-25% of the funds, and the client keeps the remaining 25-40% of the loan. The refinance loan is subject to the Dorean Group’s debt elimination program and is not repaid.

Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson are also each charged in the superseding indictment with contempt of court. On July 6, 2005, the Civil Division of the United States Attorney’s Office filed a complaint for injunctive relief, and a motion for a temporary restraining order directing that Messrs. Heineman and Johnson, doing business as the Dorean Group, to cease engaging in their mortgage elimination scheme. On July 6, 2005, Judge William H. Alsup granted the government’s motion for a temporary restraining order. On August 1, 2005, Judge Alsup converted the temporary restraining order to a preliminary injunction, prohibiting the Dorean Group from engaging in any activities related to its mortgage elimination scheme, pending final judgment in the civil action. According to the superseding indictment, after they were served with the temporary restraining order and the preliminary injunction, respectively, Heineman and Johnson executed an "appointment of successor trustee" to allegedly transfer their interests as trustees of the Dorean Group’s clients’ trusts to a Dorean Group employee.

Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson were previously arraigned on the initial indictment before Judge Wayne D. Brazil in Oakland on February 13, 2006. Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson appeared before Magistrate Judge Brazil for arraignment on the superseding indictment on February 17, 2006, at 10:00 a.m. They are also set to make an initial appearance before Judge D. Lowell Jensen in Oakland on February 17, 2006, at 11:00 a.m. No bail arrest warrants were issued for Mr. Julian, Mr. LeCompte, Ms. Magoon, and Mr. Tobias.

The maximum statutory penalty for each count of mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341 and affecting a financial institution is 30 years imprisonment and a fine of $1,000,000, plus restitution. The maximum statutory penalty for each count of bank fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1344 is 30 years imprisonment and a fine of $1,000,000, plus restitution. The maximum statutory penalty for each count of conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1349 is 30 years imprisonment and a fine of $1,000,000, plus restitution. However, any sentence following conviction would be imposed by the court after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553.

An indictment contains only allegations against an individual and, as with all defendants, Mr. Heineman, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Julian, Mr. LeCompte, Ms. Magoon, Mr. Tobias, and the Dorean Group must be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

James Keller is the Assistant U.S. Attorney who is prosecuting the case. The prosecution is the result of a fourteen-month investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Several law enforcement entities, including the Alameda County District Attorney’s Office, the California Attorney General’s Office among many others, provided valuable assistance and information about this alleged scheme to the United States Attorney’s Office.
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 at 11:26AM by Registered CommenterThe Editor - Ian Shuter in Indictments, Foreclosure avoidance scams, California | CommentsPost a Comment | References1 Reference | PrintPrint
Senator Obama (D-IL) introduces Mortgage Fraud Bill to the Senate

On February 14th, 2006 Senator Obama (D-IL) introduced the "Stop Fraud Act" to the Senate. The long title of the bill is "A Bill to stop transactions which operate to promote fraud, risk and under-development and for other purposes. This bill is about Mortgage Fraud and is supported by Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Robert Menendez (D-NJ), states which have been hit hard by mortgage fraud.

KYHOOYA said...

TO ANYONE IT FIT'S

BROKERS You are the biggest snakes I have ever had the misfortune to have to deal with in my life, Y ou act as if your peoples best freind and how you are looking out for there best interest, when all along your working on the best way to get yourself more money and you could give a rat's ass about your customers other than if they have a lot of EQ in there house and how you can get as much of it.

You are underhanded in everything you do from the back door deal with the bank (Rate sheet,YSP,fee's for B.S,ect) and any other thing you can come up withto line your pockets abd all the way through you keep tell your self what a great guy you are. Your nothing but a fucking unaremed robber . The fact of let's you and the bank's and the home apprasal and how it has to be asigned to you then you to thebank and all the secret shit behind that (OH you will say it the bank that the bad guy ) your both the assholes that are striping good hard working people of there money and for what because ther are too dam many of you (that are un lic. ane work from home unsup.) that you act as if you have 25 loan's going at all time tio look good but the fact ist at you may have one or two that is it and the fact is that there all so many of you that you cut each others throut in a half a second if you could get that loan and close it.
I have done my fare share of loan's and have met but one broker lic. that I can say was more fare than the rest but there were thing in the light of today exp. that I can see were not for my best . so for all of you out there Broker's and banker , and title officers and the rest of the slime that call your self doing a service for the people out there and that your do your money because you r work is wrth it i say to you

Fuck off and eat shit because your a worthless piece of shit and your fuck any and all the people you can just for a buck. how proud your mother must be , Oh but wait you most likly got her a loan to so muchthe deal ( thats right I have even seen you fuck your own mother for the money and say in your defence that she could'nt have done any better somewhere eles so why not me) what a pile of shit you are and you should get all you have givin ten fold for your underhanded deals hiding fact's not telling the full story behaind some shit like the people are to stupid to understand what we do and that to tell them would only make it hard er to get are job done or we would lose them
ya right tell them the hole story and you'll lose them only if your fucking them will you. why would they njot understand

just make the fucking stop and the hole industry dos'nt have to be as complex as it is then all the so called dumshits out here might just understand it and you could maybe honest for a chang

I have done over 25 loan' in my life so far after have a broker for many yr that was not so greety and was somewhat far move and I had to find another and the fact is that I no more than most do about loans and still got fuck but a stupid ass asso. working unsup. and she put a loan together that she did not no that thyere was no going to be anyone that whated to right a seconed behind it and tha started the hole fucking ball arolling and put me out thousands of the 1000,000, kind and watch that broker finlg thought letter to try and do damage control because she new she wasn't watchout like she needed to and was morw worried bout the fact that she stuill wanted to make moneythan her ass because why

because to go after you fuck is a job in it's self you all say oh it the customer s you people lie so much it like second nature to you I don't think I have seen someone lie as much as i have a loan broker and for the rest of you youir all the same and what you do is to help the hole lie.

Let's see there the bank that put out rate sheet's that they tell brokers not to let the public see them there not the one's that they will offer up to yopu to see beleave me the one that hasrthe true numbers is tucked away good

title you act as if you are there for the customer and say thing like "thats the way they all are or what erver it is that will keeop themgoing so it get completeed and you get your money

I have had brokers tell me that not to worry they have title in there pockets and the fact was that one also had his just married wife hwho work as a big shot in the bank he did ( guess ) aright all or most all his loans and you want to bet he married for that most likly he got them loans done lot's of them got a call when right after hios honeymoon he went on his own and took the complete client list with him and put his brother a callimng as there sister comp' these guy'sdw ill lie to st.peter if it will close a loan and all the time say it ok because that the broker buss. and you can't unjderstand it

hold that apperasal hostage so you can'y go shoping because if you do they will pull some shit loike say they will mail it to you But what they wouldn't tell you is that there going to what till the 30 day's is upo that the law give's them to do that (dose that make sence to you ) The law say's 30 day's and let's assume that you ha been with the broker for 30 from the start till you got the apprasel done and then it got to him and theyou had some thought's about the deal you were getting so ypou were checking oiut other so let's say 45vday 's pass noe he's going to take the 30 to mail it to you and problem is he will send you the wrong one (by mistake he'll say B.S ) the first color copy that's the one you need Now bt the time you get the wromg one it's been what some 65 day or so and that thing is only good for 90 day so you better get shop ing and don't for get your going to tyake a hiot on your credit score because you can shop around for a loan and they say that as long as you do that in 30 dy's or so that your score won't take a hit but after that watch out

This is jusyt a little about the fucking industry that say they are there for thr comunity and tho help and if it wasn't for them people would'nt be able to get a loan to buyt that house they want and live the american dream

DON'T YOU BELEAVE THEM THE JUST WANT YOUR $$$ AND THE REST IS ALL BULLSHIT FOR ICEING ON THE SIDE CAKE FIOR YOU TO EAT THEY COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE FUCVKING COMMINTY AND YOU OR ANYTHING ELES BUT HOW IT'S GOING TO LINE THERE POCKETS



SO AL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT FALL INTO THAT POSSION A GREAT BIG FUCK YOU TO YOUR'S IS COMING SOON SO ENJOY IT NOW YOU FUCKS


long winded go's in many direction's and has many many structer, spelling and gramer errors on this post and again as before it takes long enught to type with my one finger stumps that to tale extra time to reread and correct it so if you can't get the point oh well don't give a shit I'm sure the one who want the info got it and if find something you want more about let me knoe and I can give that to you with aless shall we say intejections of expression in regard to personel nature of that kind.

L8r

son of a prophet said...

thats good.

get all the repressed anger out, then we can really get somewhere.

we can move on to the next step; education about what this is really all about.

the fight is not just about the DG or who got ripped off, the fight is about our lives my friends.

see, it does no good to constantly keep fighting each other.

even ppl like neodemonic must come to understnad what is goin on here.

he can take the bankers side all he wants to, because if they win, they are also going to come after him someday too and those like him who tout the party line.

the devil just want each to keep fighting each other and the devil wins this way; divide and conquer.

i cant really blame the mtg. brokers as they were chasing idols ($$$$) jsut like the rest of us.

however, now is not the time to fight them but to make them understand what is going on here.

remember, THEY HAVE KIDS AND G-KIDS TOO AND THEIR FUTURE IS AT STAKE.

if you wnat to change things, remember, it s eastier to change form the inside, ie., get the brokers to realize the problem and turn on the bankers. they have access to the inside dirt on the bnakeers.

but first you must convince them that it is in their best interests to turn and not keep status quo.

agian, it the brokers kid and g-kids at stake too you know.

son of a prophet said...

By the way....

if anyone is having problems with the lawn of their house, there seem to be a new type of lawn that is impervious to anything, even an airplane landing on it...it leaves no skid marks or tire tracks..

check it out here...







http://thewebfairy.com/killtown
/pentalawn.html

Humerous said...

foolishfred@idiotsrus.net

is not the right address. Nothing happens. Does anyone know the right web site?

Solvo said...

Humerous said...
foolishfred@idiotsrus.net

is not the right address. Nothing happens. Does anyone know the right web site?

Maybe you should change your name to "ignorant", because what you listed was an email address, NOT a web site.

tcob247 said...

sopp

"Bush is one of them and there are many others,' said Mauri. "When I was in California, I remember Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Bob Hope and Nazi war criminal, Joseph Mengele, were involved in the ritualistic ceremonies."

This lady got ritualisticly raped by all of these illuminatti members??????????

LOLOLOLOLOLLOL

SOPP
Do you know that this makes you look like the most gullible ASS out there?
God you are stupid

whyudothat said...

Humerous said...
Does anyone know the right web site?

you and everyone else need to ask fred of dorean why he hasnt come thru with what he spoke of from a year ago, the more that inquire the more evidence there will be

son of a prophet said...

tcon,

just rember, it YOUR KIDS AND G-KIDS FUTURE TOO!

tcob247 said...

Kaspeweeeee


Question

Can your 7 year old daughter spell better than you?

habakkuk said...

"An indictment contains only allegations against an individual and, as with all defendants, Mr. Heineman, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Julian, Mr. LeCompte, Ms. Magoon, Mr. Tobias, and the Dorean Group must be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty."

DONT YOU LOVE HOW THEY PUT THAT AFTER THEY SPOUT ALL THE BOGUS ALLEGATIONS.....ALWAYS PLACED CAREFULLY NEAR THE END WHERE MOST PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY FOUND THEM GUILTY AFTER READING 1 OR 2 OF THE ALLEGATIONS.

son of a prophet said...

yo right. it really tuff to speel sum o dese woids.

eefen myself neds to tak speeling leesons sumdae.

it jus get tuffer an tuffer to spiel nowadaes.

if this kep up, pritty swoon, i won bee abel to writ on this bored anymo.

i gotta get me 1 of dose speek an speel gams. mabee dis weel hep me to spiel betr.

if no, at lest i kan say that i trid my beast.

after all, i dun work 4 da gov, whair dey got all dose good sekretay speeling what they tell them to right.

i du da bes i kan.

neodemes said...

Solvo said...

Don't hold your breath, nemo. This "game" is headed to extra innings.

* * * *

Time will tell, Solvo, time will tell...

~~The Swami~~~ said...

WHO CARES ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES!!!!!!!!!! I just won my lawsuit! I'm RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Good Sh*t Lawsuit



I bought my dog some new ******* dog food. It says you can heat it in the microwave for 2 minutes and serve. I thought the 2 minutes were in dog time so I multiplied it by seven and heated it up for 14 minutes. Once the 14 minutes were up, the real fun began. I set the bowl down for my dog to eat and before I realized the dog food was so hot, my dog Poochie bent down to grab a bite. Almost instantaneously as the food hit my dog's tongue, a combustable effect occurred blowing all the feces out of my dog onto the kitchen wall and floor.

My wife went to the laundry room to get the mop to clean up the mess, but as she was pulling the mop out from between the washing machine and the wall, the end of the mop glanced into a lit candle. The candle was in the laundry room because we had tried ******* Laundry detergent,but it makes your clothes smell like sh*t. Anyway, the candle lit the mop on fire and my wife ran through the house, out the front door, and tossed the mop into the street. The problem is as she was running through the house, some of the dog sh*t got on the mop making it a bit slippery - so as it slid across the street it butted up against the neighbors yard catching the grass on fire. My neighbor had put some of ******* Fertilizer on his yard yesterday and I must admit that sh*t works really good! The lawn caught a quick blaze with the fresh fertilizer and quickly moved towards my neighbor's house and is ablaze as I type.

We are planning legal action against ******* because the time on the dog food was not clear; Dog Time or People Time, their laundry detergent freakin stinks, and their fertilizer is really good sh*t.

son of a prophet said...

glad to C y'all still have a cents of yoomer....


regarding extra innings...this is prolly true....in a case of this magnitude, it will probably be lost at the federal court level.

it will then have to be appealed to the district 1st district 'circus' court of appeal prob in San Fran where it will be won on appeal.

that will enforce the judgment greater than if won on a just district court level.

unfortunately, this remedy may not be soon enuf for some of the clients, and that is unfortunate. hopefully the reward will have been great enuf to have been worth the wait.

son of a prophet said...

well, it looks like they are going to overturn the port sale to a foreign country....

but something about the whole thing still stinks...it was too easy....

there must be an agenda behind it, and if we wait long enuf, we will find it....


besides, who even knew that the ports were owned by a british company before this???

thats why it stinks...if they wanted to do this sale, they could have done it in secret, like the original sale to the british co....

looks like hilary is going to put the final stop to it....hmmm...maybe for credits to her resume for '08??

WillToFight said...

Damn, I go on vacation for a few days and the shit hits the fan!

All the plants flies and shit comes out of the wood work hoping and praying that the common man gets the shaft from the paid off Fed.

SOP these people just won't get it! As you and Kayooyah say and as I have said. "Conflict of Interest" and just plain idiots.

Yeah it's going to be a hard fought battle, but we must win!!!!!!

We will win!

The rest of the world looks on these idiot americans and laughs allowed at just how fucking gulable they are.

A guy with a box cutter could take of a whole aircraft! And they believe that shit!

Yeah they believe that the "Bird Flu" is real too!?!?! Idiots!

These types get what they deserve.

Neodomenesfuckface is afraid, TCO is certainly afraid!

YOUWILLKNOWTHEMFRUITCAKE IS a hypocrit!

I guess all you asswhole idiots also agree that the government should be able to impose "IMENANT DOMAIN" anytime they please and give the owners of the property a fraction on the dollar for their property.

Neodomenesfuckface you must be comming in your pants about that one.

Why don't all you hypocrits go after the Supreme Court for these atrocities against common folk!

SOP you said it, "divide and conquer", that is the game the elite play against us common folk.

TCO neodomenesfuckface and youwillknowthemassfruitwipe, SWAMI the comedian would rather fight us. People who have shown truth in banking fraud, government fraud and on and on and on.

They are wannabe's, brownnose idiots.

Join a real fight you pussys!

Our country is being sold away right before you eyes and you come to this site, without shame and attempt to point a finger at folks who really are tring to bring truth to the people....

You backwardasses. Yeah, it's an inside job! You people must love fascism? Blinded by the light!

SOP keep posting. KAHOOYAH who cares if you can spell. I get the point!

SWAMI I'm sorry your dog shot you out of his ass all over the kitchen wall! (Not)!!!!!


I'm cutting and pasting! Kiss my ass! This is my blog site. We don't have to just wait for Dorean info here. This is the big picture asswholes!

Eminent Domain: Being Abused?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml

(CBS) Just about everyone knows that under a process called eminent domain, the government can (and does) seize private property for public use - to build a road, a school or a courthouse.

But did you know the government can also seize your land for private use if they can prove that doing it will serve what's called "the public good"?

Cities across the country have been using eminent domain to force people off their land, so private developers can build more expensive homes and offices that will pay more in property taxes than the buildings they're replacing.

Under eminent domain, the government buys your property, paying you what's determined to be fair market value.





Who Is Osama? Where Did He Come From? How Did He Escape? What About Those Anthrax Attacks?
A Half-Dozen Questions About 9/11 They Don't Want You to Ask

WERTHER | February 20 2006

The events of September 11, 2001 evoke painful memories, tinged with a powerful nostalgia for the way of life before it happened. The immediate tragedy caused a disorientation sufficient to distort the critical faculties in the direction of retrospectively predictable responses: bureaucratic adaptation, opportunism, profiteering, kitsch sentiment, and mindless sloganeering.

As 9/11, and the report of the commission charged to investigate it, fade into history like the Warren Commission that preceded it, the questions, gaps, and anomalies raised by the report have created an entire cottage industry of amateur speculation--as did the omissions and distortions of the Warren Report four decades ago. How could it not?

While initially received as definitive by a rapturous official press, the 9/11 Report has been overtaken by reality, not only because of unsatisfying content--like all "independent" government reports, it is fundamentally an apology and a coverup masquerading as an exposé--but because we now know more: more about the feckless invasion of Iraq, more about the occupation of Afghanistan and the purported hunt for Osama bin Laden, more about the post-9/11 stampede to repeal elements of the Bill of Rights, more about the rush to create the Department of Homeland Security, an agency to "prevent another 9/11," which, in retrospect, is plainly about cronyism, contracts, and Congressional boodle.

Many of the amateur sleuths of the 9/11 mystery have based their investigations on microscopic forensics regarding the publicly released video footage, or speculations into the physics of impacting aircraft or collapsing buildings. But staring too closely at the recorded traces of subatomic phenomena involved in a one-time event can deceive us into finding the answer we are looking for, as Professor Heisenberg once postulated. Over 40 years on, the Magic Bullet is still the Magic Bullet: improbable, yes, but not outside the realm of the possible.

But there is surprisingly little discussion of the basic higher-order political factors surrounding 9/11, factors that do not require knowledge of the melting point of girder steel or the unknowable piloting abilities of the presumed perpetrators. Let us proceed, then, in a spirit of detached scientific inquiry, to ask questions the 9/11 Commission was unprepared to ask.


1. Who is Osama bin Laden, and where did he come from?

On this point, the report retreats into obfuscation. While acknowledging that he had something to do with resisting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, the report suggests, without explicitly so stating, that the links between Osama and the United States were practically nonexistent. This will not parse: until the present Global War on Terrorism, the CIA's operation against the Red Army in Afghanistan was the biggest and most expensive covert operation in the agency's history. The 9/11 Report provides no convincing documented refutation of Osama's links with the CIA, given that the agency was running a major war in which he was a participant. Similarly, the report's authors did not plumb the informal U.S. government connections with the same Saudi government whose links with the bin Laden family could have provided a cut-out for any CIA-Osama relationship. [1]


2. When were Osama's last non-hostile links with the U.S. government?

Consistent with its view of Osama's relationship with the CIA during the anti-Soviet enterprise, the 9/11 Report ignores the possibility that he may have had a continuing relationship with the U.S. government, particularly with its intelligence services. The report brushes this hypothesis aside with a footnote to the effect that both the CIA and purported second-ranking al Qaeda figure Ayman al Zawahiri deny a relationship. [2]

One may doubt the veracity of Langley's denials of a relationship with Osama bin Laden and his associates, given the lack of truthfulness of its earlier statement to the Warren Commission about not having had a relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald. Or in alleging that an employee named "Mr. George Bush" whom the agency cited in its reporting of the events of 22 November 1963 was a completely different person from the George Bush who subsequently became the 41st U.S. president, after serving as Director of Central Intelligence.

Likewise, Mr. Zawahiri's assertion of not having received a penny of CIA funds deserves the searchlight of skeptical scrutiny. What the report describes as Zawahiri's "memoir" is actually a broadside published in a London-based newspaper in December 2001, i.e., after the events of 9/11. It was obviously intended as a call to the Muslim faithful for a holy war against the infidel desecrator of the holy places; would such a person, conscious of the need to gain recruits in a war of pure faith against the Great Satan, have confirmed having been on the payroll of his principal enemy? It is no more likely than for the current President of the United States, in drawing parallels between the war in Iraq and World War II, to advert to the fact that his grandfather's bank was seized by the U.S. government in 1942 for illicit trading with the Third Reich.

Indeed, U.S. intelligence agencies have had, purely as a function of their charters, relationships with most of the world's scoundrels, con-men, and psychopaths of the last 70 years: from Lucky Luciano and the Gambino Mob, to Reinhard Gehlen and Timothy Leary, to the perpetrators of the massacre of 500,000 people in Indonesia in 1965, to the Cuban exiles who blew up an airliner in 1976 [3], to such shady characters as Ahmed Chalabi and his friend "Curveball." Among such a gallery of murderous kooks, bin Laden and his cohorts do not especially stand out.

More dispositive than these speculations, however, are the very real connections between Washington and Islamic jihadists in the Balkans throughout the 1990s. The report hints at this relationship by mentioning the presence of charity fronts of bin Laden's "network" in Zagreb and Sarajevo. In fact, the U.S. government engaged in a massive covert operation to infiltrate Islamic fighters, many of them veterans of the Afghan war, into the Balkans for the purpose of undermining the Milosevic government. The "arms embargo," enforced by the U.S. military, was a cover for this activity (i.e., using military force to keep prying eyes from seeing what was going on).

A key Washington fixer for the Muslim government of Bosnia was the law firm of Feith and Zell. Yes, Douglas Feith, one of the principal conspirators involved in launching the Iraq war under the banner of opposing Islamic terrorism, was a proponent of introducing Islamic terrorists into South Eastern Europe. Do the "Islamofascists" of pseudo-conservative demonology accordingly seem less like satanic enemies and more like puppets dangling from an unseen hand? Or perhaps the analogy is incorrect: more like a Frankenstein's Monster that has slipped the control of its creator.


3. How did the President of United States React to the August 6 2001 Presidential Daily Brief?

Although the August 6 PBD had been mentioned in the foreign press since 2002, it did not come to the attention of official Washington until then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice impaled herself upon the hook of 9/11 Commission member Richard Ben Veniste's artful line of questioning in mid-2004. Blurting out the title of the PBD, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," she let the cat out of the bag--or perhaps not. Having opened Pandora's Box, the commissioners displayed no troublesome curiosity about its contents.

What concrete measures did the president take after receiving perhaps the most significant strategic warning that any head of state could have hoped to receive about an impending attack on his country? Did he alert the intelligence agencies, law enforcement, the Border patrol, the Federal Aviation Administration, to comb through their current information and increase their alert rates? Did the threat warning of the PBD (granted that it did not reveal the tail numbers of the aircraft to be hijacked), in combination with the numerous threat warnings from other sources [4] elicit feverish activity to "protect the American people?" Not that we can observe.

So what was the actual response of the U.S. government? Here the 9/11 Report exhibits autism. As nearly as we can determine from contemporaneous bulletins, the president massacred whole hecatombs of mesquite bushes and large-mouthed bass, perfected his golf swing, and hosted various captains of industry in the rustic repose of Crawford, Texas. In other words, he presided over the most egregious example of Constitutional nonfeasance since the administration of James Buchanan allowed Southern secessionists to take possession of the arms in several federal arsenals. The 9/11 Commission's silence on this point is an abundant demonstration of its role as an apologist, rather than a dispassionate truth-teller.

The testimony of federal officials about what they did up to and during the attacks is telling, in so far as the false and misleading statements of witnesses provide clues. Ms. Rice, her tremulous voice betraying nervousness, averred, against the plain evidence of the public record and common sense, that a PBD stating that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike within the borders of the United States was too ambiguous to take any action.

Likewise, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft may have perjured himself when he denied under oath that acting FBI Director Thomas Pickard came to him on July 5, 2001 with information of terrorist plots--information that the Attorney General "did not want to hear about anymore," as NBC News reported on June 22, 2004. It might be considered a matter of Ashcroft's word against Pickering's, except for the fact that Pickering had a corroborating witness.


4. Who wrote the script for the rhetorical response to 9/11?

The smoke was still rising from the rubble of the World Trade Center complex and the Pentagon when the unanimous and universal cry erupted in government circles, and was relentlessly amplified by the media, that this was "war," not a criminal act of terrorism. How very convenient that this war, declared against a diffuse and stateless entity, would trigger long-sought legal authorities and constitutional loopholes which would not apply in the case of a criminal act. [5] Torture, domestic spying, selective suspension of habeas corpus, all the unconstitutional monsters whose implications are only clear four years after the event, all slipped into immediate usage with the rhetorical invocation of war.

This was not merely war, it was unlimited war, both in the sense of total war meant by General Ludendorff (civilian rights being trivial), and in the sense of lacking a comprehensible time span. "A war that will not end in our lifetimes," said Vice President Cheney on Meet the Press on the very Sunday following the attacks. How could he be so sure during the fog of uncertainty following the strike?

If bin Laden and his followers were merely a limited number of fanatics living in Afghan caves, as we were assured at the time, why did the Bush administration relentlessly advance the meme that a decades-long war was inevitable? Could not a concerted intelligence, law-enforcement, and diplomatic campaign, embracing all sovereign countries, have effectively shut down "al Qaeda" within a reasonable period of time--say, within the period it took to fight World War II between Pearl Harbor and the Japanese surrender?

Four years on, Vice President Cheney, doing a plausible imitation of the radio voice of The Shadow, continues to publicly mutter, in menacing tones of the lower octaves, that the war on terrorism [6] is a conflict that will last for decades. [7] This at the same time as the junior partner of the ruling dyarchy, the sitting president, is giving upbeat speeches promising victory in the war on terrorism (i.e., Iraq, the Central Front on the War on Terrorism) against a papier maché backdrop containing the printed slogan "Strategy for Victory."

It is curious that no one--not the watchdogs of the supposedly adversary media, nor the nominal opposition party in Washington, nor otherwise intelligent observers--has remarked on this seeming contradiction: victory is just around the corner, yet the war will last for decades. Quite in the manner of the war between Eastasia and Oceania in 1984.

In earlier times, this contradiction would have seemed newsworthy, if not scandalous. Suppose President Roosevelt had opined at the Teheran Conference that the Axis would be defeated in two years. Then suppose his vice president had at the same time traveled about the United States telling his audiences that the Axis would not be defeated for decades. An American public not yet conditioned by television would at least have noticed, and demanded some explanation.

So question number 4 concludes with a question: why does the U.S. government hive so firmly to the notion of a long, drawn-out, indeterminate war, when Occam's Razor would suggest the desirability of presenting a clear-cut victory within the span of imagination of the average impatient American--a couple of years at most? Or is endless war the point?


5. Why did the mysterious anthrax attacks come and go like a wraith?

For those in immediate proximity to the events, the September 11attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were frightening in the extreme, but they had not the slow accumulation of dread that the anthrax scare of October 2001 presented. Far more than any anomaly concerning 9/11 itself, the anthrax mystery is the undecoded Rosetta Stone of recent years.

The anthrax attacks were the most anomalous terrorist attacks in history: clever, successful, unpunished, causing five deaths and a billion dollars' damage. Yet never repeated. This alone makes them remarkable in the annals of criminal activity, but there is more--the intended victims (at least those with an official position) were warned in writing of their peril in sufficient detail that they could take steps to administer an antidote. Is this characteristic of terrorist attacks by "al Qaeda," or by any known Middle Eastern terrorist group?

Except for the ambiguous first attack (which killed a National Enquirer photo editor), all the deaths resulting from the anthrax plot were incidental--mail handlers and innocent recipients of mail which had been contaminated by proximity to the threat letters. Evidently the West Jefferson anthrax strain was more powerful and had greater accidental effects than the plotters had intended.

But what did the plotters intend, if they did not will the deaths of the addressees of their anthrax letters? It was pure coincidence, perhaps, that the anthrax scare was at its height, producing psychosomatic illness symptoms among members of Congress and staffers, just as the USA PATRIOT Act was wending its way through the legislative process. This measure, which originated among the same Justice Department lawyers who legally opined that torture was wholesome, was rammed through the Congress after enactment of the authorization of the use of force in Afghanistan. Why is this sequence significant?

The then-majority leader of the U.S. Senate, Tom Daschle, wrote a curious op-ed in the Washington Post four years after the events just described. [8]. In attempting to refute the administration's allegation that it had been granted plenary wiretap powers in the Afghanistan authorization, he stated that he and his Senatorial confreres explicitly rejected an administration proposal to authorize an effective state of war within the borders of the United States itself.

Given the administration's repeatedly demonstrated refusal to accept any limitation on its powers, it is logical that the rebuff on the war powers authorization was followed by the prompt submittal of the Justice Department's draft of the PATRIOT Act, containing many of the domestic authorities the Bush White House had sought in the use of force legislation. How doubly coincidental that two of the limited number of addressees of the threat letters should have been the offices of Daschle himself, and Sen. Patrick Leahy, then-chairman of the committee of jurisdiction over the PATRIOT Act.

Needless to say, the measure was passed by an even more comfortable margin than that enjoyed by the 1933 Enabling Law in the Reichstag. [9] Notwithstanding buyer's remorse exhibited by many members of Congress, and current efforts to amend its more onerous provisions, it appears we are saddled with the main burdens of its edicts in perpetuity.

How the government placed this perpetual burden on its citizens is bound up with the mysterious anthrax scare of October 2001, an outrage that, unlike 9/11, does not even merit an official explanation. No one has been charged.


6. Why did Osama bin Laden escape?

"Wanted, dead or alive!" "We'll smoke 'em out of their caves!" All Americans know the feeling of righteous retribution that attended the hunt for Osama bin Laden in the autumn and winter of 2001. Yet, suddenly, it fizzled out and became subsumed in attacking Iraq and its oilfields.

We know the explanation. Somehow, bin Laden escaped in the battle of Tora Bora, because "the back door was open." Only after the invasion of Iraq, more than a year later, was there general acknowledgement that resources intended for Afghanistan had been diverted to the buildup for Iraq. The public was lead to believe that supplemental appropriations for Afghanistan were siphoned into the Iraq project beginning about mid-2002.

But the strange apathy about Osama's whereabouts began sooner than that. In a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, then-Senate Intelligence Committee Bob Graham states the following:

"I was asked by one of the senior commanders of Central Command to go into his office [this presumably means the CENTCOM Commander, GEN Tommy Franks. Underlings do not summon senior Senators into their offices]. We did, the door was closed, and he turned to me, and he said, 'Senator, we have stopped fighting the war on terror in Afghanistan. We are moving military and intelligence personnel and resources out of Afghanistan to get ready for a future war in Iraq.' This is February of 2002 [emphasis added]. 'Senator, what we are engaged in now is a manhunt not a war, and we are not trained to conduct a manhunt.'"

Senator Graham elaborates on this matter in his book, Intelligence Matters, on page 125:

"At that point, General Franks asked for an additional word with me in his office. When I walked in, he closed the door. Looking troubled, he said, 'Senator, we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan.'

"'Excuse me?" I asked.

"'Military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq,' he continued. 'The Predators are being relocated. What we are doing is a manhunt. We have wrapped ourselves too much in trailing Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. We're better at being a meat axe than finding a needle in a haystack. That's not our mission, and that's not what we are trained or prepared to do.'"

In the first excerpt, the military officer might be ambivalent about the change in mission, merely saying that the U.S. military is supposedly not trained for conducting manhunts. The second excerpt provides more substance, suggesting that Franks himself agrees that looking for Osama bin Laden is a mug's game ("We have wrapped ourselves too much in trailing Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar.")

There we have it: as early as February 2002, the U.S. government was pulling the plug. Or was it even earlier? Gary Berntsen, a former CIA officer, says in his book Jawbreaker that his paramilitary team tracked bin Laden to the Tora Bora region late in 2001 and could have killed or captured him if his superiors had agreed to his request for an additional force of about 800 U.S. troops. But the administration was already gearing up for war with Iraq and troops were never sent, allowing bin Laden to escape.

Now, Berntsen is a typical Langley boy scout who buys into most of the flummery about the war on terrorism; but it is precisely for that reason that his testimony is worthwhile. Here is no ideological critic of the Bush administration and its foreign policies--on the contrary, he shares many of its assumptions. Like fellow Agency alumnus Michael Scheuer, he has experienced the cognitive dissonance of dealing with the administration's policies at first hand, and wishes to report on his findings.

Is it plausible that the United States Military, disposing of 1.4 million active duty troops and a million reservists, could not scare up 800 additional troops to capture what was then characterized as a fiend in human form? Perhaps the then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers, explained it best in a CNN interview on 6 April 2002, well after the hunt for bin Laden had apparently been concluded:

"Well, if you remember, if we go back to the beginning of this segment, the goal has never been to get bin Laden." [10]

What can one conclude from this series of questions? If the 9/11 mystery is like other great, mysterious events--such as the Kennedy assassination--the course is probable. For a year or two, raw emotion over the event forecloses inquiry; for the next several years after that, the public's attention wanes, and the desire to forget the painful memory predominates.

In a decade or so, though, some debunker will bring new facts into the public arena for the edification of those Americans, then in late middle age, who will view 9/11 as an intellectual puzzle: far from the urgent concerns of their daily lives.

Many people may, by that time, accept that the official explanation is bunk, and suspect that the government had once again tricked the American public, those ever-willing foils in the eternal Punch-and-Judy show. But the majority will neither know nor care about obscure international relationships during a bygone era.

In 1939, the English author Eric Ambler wrote a brilliant and now-disregarded novel whose theme was that the political events culminating in World War II were indistinguishable from the squalid doings of ordinary criminals. Let us quote from that novel, The Mask of Dimitrios:

"A writer of plays said that there are some situations that one cannot use on the stage; situations in which the audience can feel neither approval, sympathy, nor antipathy; situations out of which there is no possible way that is not humiliating or distressing and from which there is no truth, however bitter, to be extracted. . . . All I know is that while might is right, while chaos and anarchy masquerade as order and enlightenment, these conditions will obtain."

Werther is the pen name of a Northern Virginia-based defense analyst. Werther can be reached at: werther@counterpunch.org


[1] Bob Woodward's 1987 book Veil describes the informal connections between personages in the U.S. government and the Saudi government, including the ubiquitous Prince Bandar. A tête á tête between CIA director William Casey and the Prince supposedly resulted in a false-flag "terrorist" bombing in Beirut to retaliate against the bombing of the Marine barracks there in 1983. Regrettably, the dead were mainly civilians.

[2] 9/11 Commission Report, 23rd footnote to chapter two, page 467.

[3] This is the case of Cuban "freedom fighter" Luis Posada Carriles, who is suspected of sending the jet-borne Cuban Olympic fencing team to Valhalla in order to express his opposition to Fidel Castro. The incumbent administration, otherwise so steadfastly opposed to international terrorism, has been resistant to extraditing Mr. Posada --no doubt the administration is casting an eye on Florida's electoral votes.

[4] To include the Phoenix Memo, FBI agent Colleen Rowley's urgent bulletins from Minnesota, tips from foreign intelligence agencies, warnings from the Federal government to its high-ranking government placemen not to fly by commercial airliner, the contemporaneously noted presence of art students-cum-Mossad agents within two blocks of 9/11 operative Mohammed Atta, and other indicators.

[5] Long sought by Messrs. Cheney and Rumsfeld, whose formative and traumatic experiences in the executive branch were shaped by their revulsion against attempts by Congress, the federal bench, and the American people, to restrain Richard M. Nixon's assertion that the Constitution does not apply to a sitting president.

[6] The phrase "war on terrorism" is, as many people have commented, a somewhat hazy conception, being a war on a tactic, much as if FDR had declared war on naval aviation after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Significantly, the popular mind has contracted this phrase into "the war on terror," an even more illogical coinage. If the U.S. government is truly at war against a mental state that gives rise to ill-defined dread, it should disestablish itself forthwith, to the benefit of our rights, our bank balances, and our physical safety.

[7] "Cheney Warns of Decades of War," BBC, 6 October 2005.

[8] "Power We Didn't Grant," by Sen. Tom Daschle, Washington Post, 23 December 2005.

[9] The Enabling Law passed the Reichstag by a vote of 444-94, whereas the PATRIOT Act passed the House by a margin of 357-66, and the Senate by a vote of 98-1. Curiously, the Enabling Law was supposed to sunset in four years: on April Fool's Day, 1937, precisely paralleling the four-year expiration of many of the PATRIOT Act's provisions. Perhaps the eerie similarity reflects the influence of Nazi legal scholar Carl Schmitt on neoconservative lawyers of the Bush administration like David S. Addington, John Yoo, and Viet Dinh.

[10] News transcript: Gen. Myers Interview with CNN TV, http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2002/t04082002_t407genm.html

WillToFight said...

SOP said..

thats why it stinks...if they wanted to do this sale, they could have done it in secret, like the original sale to the british co....

looks like hilary is going to put the final stop to it....hmmm...maybe for credits to her resume for '08??


Yeah SOP many will be suckered into voting for Hilary. Not realizing that she is one of them!

WillToFight said...

Twenty-Three Intel Experts Say LA Terror Plot a Sham

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 10 2006

Related: Bush Plays Terror Card With Bogus LA Attack Plot

Following yesterday's highly suspiciously timed announcement that the US government had foiled a 2002 terror plot against the Los Angeles Library Tower, intelligence experts and White House reporters have uniformly debunked the story.

As we reported yesterday, in an orchestrated set-up, George W. Bush announced that a plan to fly a plane into the LA Library Tower was thwarted in 2002 and within minutes news networks were showing footage of the same building being destroyed in the movie Independence Day.

After the mayor of LA, Antonio Villaraigosa, immediately went public with comments of his absolute bewilderment concerning the alleged plot, no fewer than twenty three intelligence experts told Capitol Hill Blue that President Bush was "cheapening and politicizing their work" by creating a "fantasy world" of discredited terror alerts and using them for political points scoring.

Both current and former NSA and FBI officials vented their fury with George Bush, one telling Capitol Hill Blue that he was "full of shit."

~~The Swami~~~ said...

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WillToFight said...

One Thousand A Month Tortured To Death In Iraq
Dr. John Pace drops a bombshell that translates as a whisper through obscure Maltese paper

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 21 2006

More than half of Iraqis now say life was better off under Saddam and 47% support insurgent attacks on US forces.

WillToFight said...

Swammi I really don't have time nor patients for SELL OUTs or just plain IDIOTS like you and Neodomenesfuckface, TACO and the rest.

Selfish inhuman bastards all of you!

Does any of you Idiots know what supension of Habeus Corpus means?

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WillToFight said...

Disregard my last Swami

I must have misread you. My apologies!

WillToFight said...

And the Feds fishing expedition continues!

WillToFight said...

They are tring to break us down folks.

Hang in there! We will get to the finish! We will win this battle.

Stay away from the nashing of teeth of the Neodomenes or TACO!

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