Tuesday, March 21, 2006

Calling Your Bluff (1-30-06)

I posted a private message which was nobody's business but the parties addressed. Your comments were revealing. I'm putting it all on the line. Either I'm the evil egomaniac self-righteous thief or you are ignorant to the true grace of Christ's kingdom. I put it out there so there is no wiggle room. You will soon be patting yourself on the back or looking at a fool in the mirror. I was not having a bad day emotional response. I was sharing a truth apparently over many heads. I said what I was told to say with no apology to those offended. If it comes to pass it was not my words and you will have to rethink your position on the Jesus mold you created. Of course, if you're that honest with yourself, cheap grace offered to fools is the current cancer of the church today. It breeds no wisdom, saves no souls, and steals hope from those who started on the right path. To you nuts the prodigal son left home, fell into a candy factory and upon revelation of all the sweetness in the world came back to give his father a big hug. Well Chris and Lori better hope that fantasy is reality and I didn't hear from God. Even Scott will see the promise of those words. Cursing is not of my imagination. Everything is already cursed. There is an exit of blessing in the tracking of Christ who says "follow me." I saw these two outside this narrow path and merely loved them enough to tell them the truth. Now let me comment on the commentors.

SP - Have you ever used the gift of prophecy? Do you know and understand all the prophecies of the bible? Do you even know what God is doing and why this forum exists relative to His plan? Try talking to Him about it before you bail out.

Peanut Gallery- You too

Habakkuk- Jesus was kind enough to tell Peter his coming failure so he would come to his senses. Read Private Message again and see if it is not a solicitation to come to sense.

tcob247- You're stupid it seems on many subjects. I will go toe to toe with you on any Bible subject you think you understand. Just write me! You know where I am - in jail!

mytwocents- you need more equity behind your comments. Perhaps you can prophecy a called for comment. I'm all ears! Tell me what God tells you concerning me.

Wantobefree- if I'm freed you will hear it here. I would post it within a short time of the event. You don't need another trust. If you want to quit on us simply let us resign and give new trustees. My father can assist you on making this happen.

23 comments:

you will know them by their fruit said...

2 Timothy 4:3,4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

you will know them by their fruit said...

2 Peter 3:16,17

as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

you will know them by their fruit said...

Colossians 2:8

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Hebrews 13:9

Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Nobody cares about your curses Kurt. You have the soundings of a spoiled brat who should be taken behind the woodshed. Have you no concept of an "honest dollar"?

You are a selfish, self-centered child.

Zero credibility.

And your few followers are perverse in spirit and devoid of depth.

The only curse you have managed to bring is upon yourself and those that buy your evil.

May God have mercy on your soul, and theirs.

tcob247 said...

Hey Kurt.....

We wont go toe to toe

Cause I will never darken the door of your jail cell..

However.............
When this goes away (you promised) in SPECTACULAR fashion according to God's will in 4 days.............

You can come on over and I'll buy you pizza and a beer

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......................................................................

Justice7777777 said...
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tcob247 said...

SOP........

You got called out by the great Prophet Kurt.....

"SP - Have you ever used the gift of prophecy? Do you know and understand all the prophecies of the bible? Do you even know what God is doing and why this forum exists relative to His plan? Try talking to Him about it before you bail out."

LOLOL

mogel said...

"cheap grace offered to fools is the current cancer of the church today. It breeds no wisdom, saves no souls, and steals hope from those who started on the right path."

This doctrine of "grace" is definitely one of those doctrines that was prophesied in 2nd Timothy, chapt. 4 that "man would not endure sound doctrine" & change the doctrine of grace into a fantasy. The fantasy being that you accept Christ by words alone & you are immediately saved & can't fall from this grace of salvation. The truth is that "man will be judged by his works",(Rev. 20: 12), not by mere confession. Salvation is a long process, not an event. Only in a long process can character be affected & hope perfected. One can only work out his salvation with "fear & trembling & hard work" through a lifetime of character change, learning & repentence.

"You will know them by their fruit", you seem to quote the same scripture over & over, but you don't understand what you write. You add no substance to anything you write & provide zero proof to your rantings also. Remember "it is high thing to be a righteous Judge".

son of a prophet said...

I will address Kurts post.

He said.....

"SP - Have you ever used the gift of prophecy?


MANY TIMES.
WE ALL HAVE SPIRITUAL GIFTS, ALL OF THEM DIFFERENT.

YESHUA SAID..."...IN THE LAST DAYS, YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS..." (OBVIOUSLY, THOSE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL DO THESE THINGS.)



Do you know and understand all the prophecies of the bible?

NO. I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE PROGPHECIES OF THE BIBLE, NOR IS IT IMPORTANT. I KNOW THOSE THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND ENOUGH OF THEM TO MAKE IT COUNT.





Do you even know what God is doing and why this forum exists relative to His plan?

MANY THINGS ARE OCCURING TO BRING IN WHAT THOSE IN CONTROL FEEL WILL BE THE "MILLENIAL KINGDOM"; PEACE ON EARTH, EVERYONE WITH A FEW BUX IN THEIR POCKET, NICE AND COMFY......"AND THEN COMETH SUDDEN DESTRUCTION...."

EVIL IS GOING TO BE JUDGED. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT I FEEL. ONLY SOME ONE LIKE YOURSELF COULD HAVE DONE THIS.
BEING IN PRISON PREVIOUSLY DEFINITELY HELPED, AS NO ONE WHO WAS NEVER INCARCERATED WOULD HAVE BEEN CAPABLE OF DOING IT; THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THE RISK AND WOULD NOT BE BATTLE HARDENED. I BELEIVE TAHT THERE IS GOING TO BE MASSIVE CHANGES OCCURING AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE PART OF IT. NO QUESTION.




Try talking to Him about it before you bail out."


I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT IS MEANT HERE, BUT I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE SOON.

PEACE OF YESHUA BE WITH YOU.

dgwondering said...

"I’m certain that a long protracted trial is a desire of this government."

As long as it serves to expose the fantasy idealogical world you seek to hide in it is worth the wait to see it dragged out into the light of reality.

Your devious crafting of a pseudo-religious defense from which to pontificate serves only to feed the sycophants who thrive on conspiracy theories. It is intellectual masturbation only you benefit from.

Asside from that lunacy, I've never seen a rational answer to the question: "What if you aren't a Christian?"

Where does a non-believer find justice in your whacko world?

you will know them by their fruit said...

Mogul,

Save your religious advice for the suckers. Your twist on things carries no stock with His children.

I'll keep posting God's word so that you and Kurt's fruit will be revealed to all. Didn't you like Kurt explanation for calling down a curse on Scott's family. Which scriptures will you and Kurt use to justify that?

If you have a prblem with the scriptures take it up with the guy upstairs. YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE WRONG SIDE. Money means nothing.

tcob247 said...

Kurt....
Ol buddy, ol pal

I love it that you are calling everybody out and trying to correct us all.

You are the man

"tcob247- You're stupid it seems on many subjects."

I'm sure you have a higher IQ than I. Does that prove anything?
I'm not worrying about my cellmate stealing my commissary

"I will go toe to toe with you on any Bible subject you think you understand."

Not sure where that came from?
Never really ever mentioned it to you. I'm sure your head knowlege of the Bible is vast.
Thats not all there is though

"Just write me! You know where I am - in jail!"

Oh Really?

Since you are calling us all out....
Question for you...........

According to you and GOD...... this is coming to a SPECTACULAR conclusion in 3 days.

We still on track for that buddy?

habakkuk said...

Kurt said....

Habakkuk- Jesus was kind enough to tell Peter his coming failure so he would come to his senses. Read Private Message again and see if it is not a solicitation to come to sense.

TRUE. I HAVE TO ADMIT I DONT REMEMBER WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY. I'LL HAVE TO DIG THRU THE ARCHIVES.

STAY STRONG KURT.

neodemes said...

Mogel,

Just as your Dorean process clouds title in the guise of Free and Clear, so your biblical musings cloud the concept of salvation.

Works will never bring salvation, that is by Grace alone.

Stick to what you know...

...nothing.

The feds find you yet?

imbigo said...

Is there any of you naysayers out there that have the BALLS to do what I wittnessed with my own eyes in the fed. court today? I DOUPT IT VERY SERIOUSLY!!!

NONE OF YOU CYBOR TOUGH GUYS WOULD STAND B-4 A FED judge AND EMPLOY HIM TO REPENT OF HIS SINS!!!!, THEN INFORM HIM THAT HIS HOUSE AND OTHER judges HOUSES WERE ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW THAT WAS POWERFUL!!!!!!!!

GODS SPEED MY BROTHERS!!!

P.S. YOU BOTH LOOK GREAT!!!

I'LL BE BOCK!!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

Yetter said...

To witness a rainbow you must endure the rain.

neodemes said...

Yeah, that was smart...antagonize your captors.

Keep up the good work...our tax dollars will pay for your room and board, not to worry.

ROFLMAO

WillToFight said...

You will Know them by their Fruit

in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction,


Sounds like your talking to yourself,
that is good therapy when a person can be honest with themselves!

WillToFight said...

Mogel Said

The fantasy being that you accept Christ by words alone & you are immediately saved & can't fall from this grace of salvation.

_____
So true, So true Mogel. That is exactly the problem with YouWKtbtFruit.

I've know people that had the bible memorized from cover to cover, and always pointed the finger at those they did not agree with.

They never lead by example, and in their closets I will not describe!

__________

YouWillKTBTFruit

quit Knashing and Knarling. Check the void in your heart.

Let us find our demise. You have lied when you say that everyone has lost something dealing with this process.

Your lie is due to your inability to see truth to the end!

Your fruit is rotten with misunderstanding and lack of education other than the bible.

You know God created all the world and all that is within it!

How do you(without the wisdom of God) call me wrong for the way that I veiw things based on my knowledge and study, spirituality, spirituelity esp. since you don't know what I know. I do not like to spend my time pointing fingers at so-called "evil doers", acting like I know somthing about the wisdom of the universe and all that it holds?

YouWillKnowThemByTheirFruit

Tell me where you have been!?!? In what dark shaddows have you walk?

WillToFight said...

Neodomenes said...
Yeah, that was smart...antagonize your captors.

Keep up the good work...our tax dollars will pay for your room and board, not to worry.

_________
The above confirms you lack of courage Neodomenes.

I told you years ago that you would sell your mother for an extra 10 minutes of your selfish life!

You would honor your captors by begging and pleading!

You disgust me Neodomenes. You are the enemy. It is people like you that help to perpetuate the destructive inhumanity of this society.

You are a virus!

notaqitter said...

I believe the post he was commenting on, SOP, was not you, but SD, as he is the one who bailed out, not you.

sd said...

For several weeks, as stated, I have refrained from posting. But After being addressed directly, I deem it appropriate to post a response.
While these comments are directed to Kurt they are put on this forum because I don’t consider them “PRIVATE.”

Kurt said: I posted a private message which was nobody's business but the parties addressed.

My (SD) Response: As stated before, if you had intended that the comment be private, you would have or at least should have chosen a different delivery platform, and not used a public forum.

K: Your comments were revealing.

SD: As are yours

K: I'm putting it all on the line.

SD: And for that you should be commended but remember that when Jesus put it all on the line He was condemned. I pray that will not be your outcome.

K: Either I'm the evil egomaniac self-righteous thief or you are ignorant to the true grace of Christ's kingdom.

SD: I truly believe that your intentions were good and that you did not intend to steal from your clients, I have stated from the beginning that I stand with you in your fight against the system. On the other hand; your methods left something to be desired when it came to taking the high road in the fight. (But that is just my opinion and we all know how much opinions are worth)
As for your self-righteousness; it is displayed through your writings and will either be proved or disproved in the end. (And I’m not talking about the end of the earthy trial either) It has nothing to do with my ignorance or wisdom of the grace of God. I as everyone else stand on their own when it comes to their beliefs. Thank God I don’t have to live under the guidelines set forth in the book of Kurt.

K: I put it out there so there is no wiggle room.

SD: Some people call that painting yourself in a corner. Let us pray that you used quick drying paint. Or at least have a window close by.

K: You will soon be patting yourself on the back or looking at a fool in the mirror.

SD: For me there will be no self=gratification in your loss. If you loose it just means that the battle must go on in another venue. Some people don’t necessarily receive joy through others sorrows. I for one see nothing to celebrate in your defeat. Just a lot of wounded people out there that put all they had on the line with you in your fight. I pray that they are not defeated.
As for looking in the mirror and seeing a fool, I think that would be an oxymoron. A true fool could never see himself as one.

K: I was not having a bad day emotional response. I was sharing a truth apparently over many heads. I said what I was told to say with no apology to those offended.

SD: As I stated earlier, it was very clear that you intended to share your vision of the truth and that your writings were not private.
Apologies are never given by people that deem themselves as always right.

K: If it comes to pass it was not my words and you will have to rethink your position on the Jesus mold you created.

SD: I guess from your insinuation that your mold of Jesus is better than mine?

K: Of course, if you're that honest with yourself, cheap grace offered to fools is the current cancer of the church today. It breeds no wisdom, saves no souls, and steals hope from those who started on the right path.

SD: Grace is not cheap, it’s free. There is no price to pay; it has already been paid in full by someone much more pure than you or I. As for the church today, as with all things earthly it has its flaws but so do you and I. Maybe I better rephrase that and just state that I have flaws, I will leave it to you to decide if you have them or not.

K: To you nuts the prodigal son left home, fell into a candy factory and upon revelation of all the sweetness in the world came back to give his father a big hug. Well Chris and Lori better hope that fantasy is reality and I didn't hear from God. Even Scott will see the promise of those words. Cursing is not of my imagination. Everything is already cursed. There is an exit of blessing in the tracking of Christ who says "follow me." I saw these two outside this narrow path and merely loved them enough to tell them the truth. Now let me comment on the commentors.

SD: That sure is a good way to win people over. Insults have always been a direct path to my heart. (That’s sarcasm in case you didn’t get it)
FYI: One woman in seven either has or will develop breast cancer in their lifetime. I’m sure though that if Lori were to get breast cancer, you would state that it was a punishment from God. Well, God did not release all of the evil upon man, Man released it upon himself. And as I see things, bad things sometimes happen to good people with no apparent reason. But for you to state that something will happen if her actions or path are not changed and then to go further and state that you pray that it does happen are the ranting of a man in a very stressful situation lashing out with hurtful thought. Maybe you should go back and talk to God about that issue a little further. Delivery of food to the hungry can be a wonderful thing, but if you try to jam the food down the throats of the hungry, they will always gag and spit it back out. ---- Try another method if you really hope to have positive results.

K: SP - Have you ever used the gift of prophecy?

SD: From your comments, I think you meant “SD” and that’s me.
I have never received the gift so I have never tried to be prophetic.

K: Do you know and understand all the prophecies of the bible?

SD: No I do not understand all the prophecies, some of them yes, but not all and neither does anyone else but the Father himself. Not even the angles in heaven know.

K: Do you even know what God is doing and why this forum exists relative to His plan?

SD: I know what I pray that God does concerning the issues addressed in this forum. I don’t profess to be anything except a man seeking truth. I’m not an all seeing all knowing creature that sits at the right hand of God himself. I personally have flaws that are bad enough to keep me from his presents completely were it not for the shield of blood that I wear that washes those impurities away. Only time will reveal what God’s plan was concerning these issues. I am sure of one thing though, God’s plan for each individual is different and the effects of the events and topics discussed can have and will have substantial different meanings to each individual that has participated. Maybe you can enlighten me as to God’s specific plan?

K: Try talking to Him about it before you bail out.

SD: I don’t bail out. However, I do use more discression in choosing my methods of battle than I did in the past. Just to set the record straight, I am not, have not been, nor will I ever be a Kurt Johnson follower. I don't need Kurt Johnson to guide my way, I have a more pure example to try to follow. My Jesus mold is just that, My Jesus. I'll hold him dear and near and being called a fool by you will not change my view of my Lord.

If I only wanted to address you/Kurt privately and did not think it anyone else's business the content of this response, I would write you and not post this comment on this blog. And if you had wanted your earlier comments/curse to be between you and Scott's family, you would have or at least should have chosen another outlet for your prophetic words of warning. Try as you may, you will never justify "a private message on a public forum" No matter the reason for your comments, Lets assume they were in earnest and for the family's long term good, you hurt your credibility by making those statements on this blog. And continuing to try to justify the comments and still call them "private" is as you say very revealing.

Now if you want to state that you don't need anyone's assistance or support except that of the Almighty then that can easily be refuted by looking at how you have addressed your flock to keep them with you.
Judge not old wise one with the wisdom of God. I have never bailed out of anything and certainly not this fight. I have refrained from continuing to enter into this constant stream of banter because I have seen very little written from either side that has much substance. It looks like we will all just have to wait and see what the end brings, and it will not be in our time but God's time.
Your actions do not need to be defended to this forum through your written word, and your method of defense through insult does not stand as a very good tactic in my book of reason.

Being frail and not all-knowing with hands and feet of clay, I apologize for anything that may have offended anyone on either side of these issues; I pray that no matter the outcome of your trials and tribulations that the corruptions in our monetary system be corrected. I pray that you and Scott and your families be comforted and that vanity and self indulgence be put aside so that the truth can be heard throughout the world concerning the banking system and its corrupt foundations.

I pray for the Dorean clients and their families.

I also pray for the bankers, the judges and lawyers that may be involved in this situation. I hope that they one day see that diversion and deception is not the path that needs to be taken

So there you go, I’m once again finished for awhile.

Comments are welcome, I probably will not agree with many of them but all are welcome anyway.

SD