Thursday, May 18, 2006

The Big Picture (5/4/06)

This will take a little while so bear with me. I am now convinced that even if I disclose to the evil cabal (the bankers and their 3 purchased branches of government) the clever trap God has laid for them and told them how many steps, the type of trap, and the eminent peril, they would be by nature unable to change their cadence and walk right into it. Therefore I will disclose.

At the forming of the Federal Reserve Americans were rich in all manner of wealth from an unimpeded industrial revolution. Thanks almost solely on the sacrificial efforts of President Andrew Jackson. The first manner of business of this new euphoric endless checkbook cartel was to fund WWI. The logic was two-fold, one foreign and one domestic. Domestically 90% of the working class was self-employed. Not good for centralization and control. Foreign agenda was to use the power of the US to break the bank as it were of the other industrial powers and created centralization globally. Great corporations were created by the war effort and employment was encouraged. After the war victory and her spoils were amplified by a flood of inflationary cash. Equities skyrocketed and the individual businessman came under two deadly pressures. He could not compete with the corporations (controlled and legislatively encouraged) return on investment and their great liquidity to purchase him and his competitors. They are successfully moving wealth to a smaller group of privileged, controlled fictitious entities. A perfect setup for an equity confiscation or depression, by the withdrawal of cash from the addicted masses. Under this pressure Government passed socialistic legislation and further destroyed independence. It was now time to fake success of these policies and encourage the people with cash. This time though we’ll disguise the equity run up and transfer of wealth to a smaller group under a war effort. Man can no longer support his family and keep up with the greed so we must encourage 2 worker families. Patriotism is a good motivator. Let’s create a Rosey the Riveter campaign. After the war employment was established over running your own business. Now Gold gas been confiscated, equities depleted, ingenuity centralized and law has been perverted. The all American dream of home ownership is still intact though not on a solitary income. Education chimes in here with the creation of preschools, amoral philosophies, and get a job college degreed dogma. The home equity now falls mainly in their sights. There is still some cash about and this nest egg. The parents of the baby boomers are too conscrevative and less susceptible to propaganda since they lacked education and media exposure. We will set up these boomers. Changing tax incentives to consolidate debt and to borrow home equity plus creating IRA’s, 401K’s, and Keogh’s with easy ingress and egress to capture all the cash. Tighten up the egress and tie it almost exclusively to home equity and this nest egg is under constant assault. Finally I deflate the dollar, crash equities and chase the last liquid wealth into the home. Now for the grab. Inflate prices by importing cash from inflated foreign investors who have no other vehicle that can keep pace with their depreciating dollar accounts. Elevate the dollar, raise interest rates, foreign investors now hold verses spending or investing, crash other safe haven alternatives like the Euro, foreclose on homes and the great land grab is complete. It’s been done first in agriculture, then industry, you’re next.

Now here’s the brilliance of God’s plan. I would say another two years of the current fed policy should really tighten their noose. They have been funneling wealth to this narrow area for decades with full intention of this grab. Here comes divine wisdom through many at this time and aggressively through Dorean to release this wealth through a trap door before the grab. Their own UCC set them up. TILA and FDCPA were to give them minimum punishment in their unlawful aggression and to put a good face on their purchased agents. God took two men below their radar and outside their ideas of danger and provided an exit. The future is the good part. This wealth not being stolen at this time will greatly affect the economy to the positive. Fannie Mae will crumble under the exposure of their giant pansy scheme that had no equity behind their securities. The entire 3 trillion dollar booty set aside for their master is returned to the people. The people who are now full-fledged addicted consumers will go on a spending spree and their policy of high dollar will give us the greatest banG for our buck. They will drive the dollar even higher to absorb this winfall and to recoup their losses from Europe. High dollar and low Euro drives dollars into their markets to purchase their wealth at discount. Europe will have a great recession and this will cause greater division between the US and Britain and them. They will vote Great Britain out of the Union. Enjoy the decade of prosperity headed your way but remember just because they made Europe pay for your debt they have not forgot about you and will turn with fierceness again. The Arab nations will see sinking oil prices and political clout. They will form a 10 Nation union to bolster their market and position. As you can see God is very clever. This has been a mere summary since one could go through legislation, Executive Order, Judicial Opinions and line them up with the corresponding fed policy to truly understand the coordinated effort to corral the people and their wealth into the slaughter pen. Thank God for His mercy and divine intervention for without it we didn’t have a chance. I wrote the future less for you but more to expose to the enemy that what they discuss and plot in secret God declares openly. Even this will not instill any humility or fear. They will continue unimpeded to the plan God has for them because He controls the minds and hearts of men. Oh my $3,000, what about me? Petty Petty Petty. What about you in the big picture? Figure it out! I know what I have to do and when to do it. Then maybe the blind fruit inspector will get a revelation of the real God. Probably not; can a pear tree yield figs? It’s all about the root! I will not comment on the big picture again until I am outside to share with you the many opportunities available to you in this. I hope this snapshot encourages you faithers and offends the ignorant while informing the enemy the shame of their secrets.

81 comments:

deadbatt said...

Whistleblower,
I believe the Lord can do anything but I'm confused as to the way things seem now. The US is on the verge of an all out energy crisis, the US dollar is about to be yanked as the worlds reserve currency and the bombing of Iran,ie war, is on the horizon but you mention that the Euro will drop?

complainers suck said...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=21

WillToFight said...

Kurt Said.....

I hope this snapshot encourages you faithers and offends the ignorant while informing the enemy the shame of their secrets.
__________________

To the Good Fight!

WillToFight said...

Kurt said...

Elevate the dollar, raise interest rates, foreign investors now hold verses spending or investing, crash other safe haven alternatives like the Euro, foreclose on homes and the great land grab is complete.

It’s been done first in agriculture, then industry, you’re next.

___________________________

The last sentence is exactly what the naysayers don't get. They think they're safe!

WillToFight said...

I've been following info just about these type things!

Thanks for the post

Complainers suck!

son of a prophet said...

GREAT POST!!!!





mog,

from yesterday; so the only differeence beetween the dg process and the other two is that the dg doesnt pay them with frannies and the other two do?

the result is the same for the borrwoer, tho right? he isnt held responsible for the debt any longer?

but the dg goes one step furhter and also get them a settelemtn too?

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"They will vote Great Britain out of the Union. Enjoy the decade of prosperity headed your way but remember just because they made Europe pay for your debt they have not forgot about you and will turn with fierceness again"

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could england be one of the 3 kingdoms "pulled up from its roots" (conquered by the roman empire) by the "BEAST" in the book of revelation?

if what kurt siad is true, then it probably is. wonder who the other kingdoms are?? any guesses?

son of a prophet said...

oh, and i almost forgot.....



"they have not forgot about you and will turn with fierceness again"........



you can count on the beast (devil) coming after you with a vengeance....after all, this is his kingdom and he really hates losing, especially HOME games in his own kingdom. you can count on taht he will spend much, much time in the vidoetape room wathcing the films looking for weakness in the opponents defense and you can also count on he will be signing up some new 'free agents' (more vicious lying proscutoers, fed agents) who will be meaner and leaner the next game and more vicoius and cunning. isnt this what all team owners do when they lose, sing up better players? no difference here...


i suggest that after you all get you settlements, that you all spend some time in prayer as the freedom fighter will not be able to help you any more, but there is only One who can at that point.

give them the well deserved congrats and now go into the cave and spend quiet time and pray with the only One that can help you now, that you be protected from the evil one in the certainly coming rematch in round II.

the freedom fighters have done their job, now you must do yours.

habakkuk said...

SOP said...

"you can count on the beast (devil) coming after you with a vengeance....after all, this is his kingdom and he really hates losing, especially HOME games in his own kingdom. you can count on taht he will spend much, much time in the vidoetape room wathcing the films looking for weakness in the opponents defense and you can also count on he will be signing up some new 'free agents' (more vicious lying proscutoers, fed agents) who will be meaner and leaner the next game and more vicoius and cunning. isnt this what all team owners do when they lose, sing up better players? no difference here..."

I believe this is true...Thats why the WORD tells us to "be sober and vigilant because the enemy seeks whom he may devour". Don't get lulled to sleep when you got a big fat bank account and all your bills are paid. We're still at war folks.

oksurewhynot said...

"The Big Picture":

Don't think the judge will buy it or cares.

whyudothat said...

what happened in court on tuesday?

mogel said...

SOP said: "the result is the same for the borrower, tho right? he isnt held responsible for the debt any longer?"

We'll have to wait & see how the lenders will treat Dorean clients once K&S is free & once a settlement is reached & what exactly were the terms of that settlement that was agreed to. We're told that the terms of that agreement will be fully disclosed to all clients on the new website that is coming which hopefully will answer your question fully.

Maybe one of the terms of settlement could be that the banks finally acknowledge the discharges of mortgages that have already been recorded AS BEING LEGITIMATE for the approx. 5,000 clients. This would stop any more possible foreclosures to clients.

It follows logically that if there is no fraud in the Dorean Process since the Principals are freed without punishment & not indicted with any fraud that can be proven & this can't be shown, nor could ever be shown in Court when charged, that the lenders MUST in all fairness accept the Dorean process in it's entirety due to no fraud, since part of the Dorean process discharges the fraudulent lien of the lender since the lien was never properly validated by the lender when properly challenged by the borrowers trustees. As long as the banks can use the Courts to allege fraud, without any proof of fraud, than the legitimacy of the process will be publicly perceived as being in doubt as long as the Principals are in jail or until a settlement is reached. To date the lenders have used their fraud allegations against Dorean as justification to do whatever they want which includes foreclosing on clients, despite the Dorean paperwork that legally defaults the lenders claims.


If needed, one could hire an attorney since a client would have plenty of funds at that time, using these then facts to force a bank's acknowledgement that they don't have a lien on your home & the discharge should stand as recorded.

If & when the administrative judgments are sold & the clients are paid large sums, the clients have more choices at that time, either continue to defend the process AGAINST the lenders themselves if needed, & continue the work that has already been started by the process & get a Court judgment if needed, or pay off the alleged debt. You'll have more choices and more respect at that time than you have now as a client.

I don't think that's the ONLY differences, in the processes out there, however, I gave you the major difference already between Dorean & others.

Peanut Gallery said...

Mogel,

What about those who have already been foreclosed upon, and have a large blackmark on their credit

mogel said...

If the Dorean presentment is an agreed upon contract between lender & borrower & an enforceable & legal contract with no fraud on the part of Dorean, then, one can conclude all of the terms & powers of the contract are also enforceable & valid too.

One of the rights that the trustees were given according to the presentment was to have the right to change the credit reports of the clients as an agent of the lender. I haven't seen Dorean do this to date, as a lender's agent, but that right is there in black & white. I'd like to see the trustees when the time is appropriate to start exercising this right for clients with damaged credit reports, such as a foreclosure especially, however, late pays are also derogatories that shouldn't be on a Dorean's credit reports on their mortgage history either. If a debt is invalid, then, why should a client be penalized by a derogatory credit report? Credit reports are often used for employment, insurance, and for other purposes, & not just for a lending criteria of worthiness.

GR82BMOI said...

“God took two men below their radar and outside their ideas of danger and provided an exit.”

Clearly, this man is suffering from a serious case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Diagnosis is indicated by the presence of five or more of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

3. believes that he is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4. requires excessive admiration

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

govplant said...

GR82BMOI said...
“God took two men below their radar and outside their ideas of danger and provided an exit.”

Clearly, this man is suffering from a serious case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Diagnosis is indicated by the presence of five or more of the following:

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Clearly you are doing the bidding of your masters. I hope they pay you well down here because where your treasure is there will your heart be also. How apropos that the incorrect diagnosis you attribute to Kurt is the correct diagnosis for yourself as evidenced by your choice of blog names. Or maybe you’re just like all the other jackboots, unable to question and/or think for yourself so you blindly do what you’re told with no questions asked? Thus, you’re no threat to the PTB, which is why they hire you over the person with convictions. Or maybe your particular vices are such that you are easy to blackmail?

Oh, and I like that French touch.

oksurewhynot said...

Has anyone seen the psychiatric report that was discussed in court? What did they come up with?

KYHOOYA said...

oksurewhynot said...
Has anyone seen the psychiatric report that was discussed in court? What did they come up with?

Yep it said tha the dear Judge Alsoupy is the one that is 51/50.

He never thought that Kurt or Scott were crazy in the first place.
He ordered it to cover his ass for the future court Room B.S. & to try and justify his unlawful, umbiasssss, future act's, because he know's that everyone would look at what his going to do and say that it was'nt right and that he was'nt being fair ect. ect.

He about to do thing that he knows are not right and it will show BIG TIME!
With the eyes on this case so he is trying to find away to make it look as if what he's doing is because Kurt & scott are "Crazy" and so he had to make his judgement's based on that no matter what is done

You get it?

THERE GREEDY AND BAD

but no one said they were

STUPID

This is just one of many tricks to come from the corp-up-itt.
They will do anything illegal or wrong they don't care.

KYHOOYA said...

The fact that there are so many people that are watching what is taking place with this case is the only thing that has stop them from railroading these guy up to this point.

That is why they come on here to test the water to see just how many are looking to try and get them to change there mind by filling it with all the B.S. that they use everyday to do the programing of you.

That word right there PROGRAM is one word that set's everyone off to.
Think about it everytime you have started to talk to someone about this or try to get them to understand anything "OUT OF THE BOX"
how long into the process is it before they get that LOOK you know the one where you just crossed the line from interesting to useing those word that the PTB have set up as the words "Fanatic" or "Radical" that will make you out to be the crazy one.

For my self it's about 10 min into the topic before that happens. After that it's no use o talk any more. so I move one it's funny I will just change up the topic that I'm talking to them about and go from night to day and they don't even notice that we are talking about something eles all together. the other half get it but think it's no use to try and change it's the old programing ("What can I do to make them change I'm just one person")

That statment right there is what is the BIG problem in this country no one stand's up or very few that do have to have so much backing them to try or the PTB will roll right over them so you all should be thanking these two guy's for what they are doing as on STANDING UP the rest of the B.S. from the naysayers or plants from the GOV. are just the ones' that don't stand or are doing the bidding of the POWER that will crush any hope from someone that try's to come after them.

Shit take a good long look at Dan Rathers and what he has to say about the topic. I will share the one line from a BBC radio show.
He was asked about the little blow-up with a story he went with about Bush jr. and was just about casterated for it (He was set up on this one for sure) this guy is a watergate vet in the feild News guy and you don't get there just shoting off your mouth without checking your facts and he did but when your st up your setup and if it's done right or by the Bush family you better grab your tail and run I geuss. Dan R. said in the interview that "If I try and report the news they will linch me" them being the PTB or Bush ect. he was kucky to get to end his 20 + years as a news man by going out nice and quiet and not getting fired for that one story.

Let's see 20+ years and you help with the watergate/ Nixon cover up story and one fuck up and you have to quit your carrer or face the rathof public deballing Sure that seems fair.
Maybe he went up before the good old boy's club of Judges like ALsuppy and the rest and said "I'm to old to get into this shit again"

Who blams the guy the fact is even just 20 30 year ago there was still some poeple around here with some Ball's to stand up and fight. Now it look's like a waste land of pussys not willing to get them selfs into it for fear that they might.... well you getwhat I'm saying if not oh well ...


Hey Kurt & Scott: Keep it up it's working and thanks for standing up. It has not gone without notice and is most certainly show your backbone.

Thanks again

just keep it up and watch them run ther going to have to or what brake all the rule to not

everyone tell people you no to come on here or about waht the fuck is going on around them even if they don't get it they will see a little more then they did before you r said anything to them.
I just talk to them in till I see that glassy look in there eye's or just before and tell them a few places to go and read about it the fact is that americans are a product of the PTB to make them /us stupid and it's been working it's time to get that poer in NUmbers thing going. or they win thats all there is to it.

If you don't have a good reason to tell some one or to get yourself into this game than try doing it for someone eles to have it better than you have or anything at all justget in to it and tell people at the store well there bagging your styff, at the family get together, the custmer serv. rep when your trying to fix yet another fuck up on one of the card acct. you have (tell me that you don't spent at a min. 1 hr. on the phone doing this)

You no the funny thing is that when I'm talking to some cust rep. and I will say something like "we all no what is the right thing and that the fees that your bank thewr is chargeing are wrong " I get more than not the person saying that they agree with me but in a way as to not say it so that BIG BROTHER can here them.

The next time when you call cust.service ask that they not record you call as they do always now oh and one thjing for you to no everytime you call a 1-8000 1-877 or anything like those they pull up your phione number and log it even if it is block or unlisted or such and as yopu may see there is no other number for you to ccall is there. they will use hese to find you if they need to in the futuree if you dont pay on time

Hey I'm still tryiong to find out haw and why MBNA called my brother who has never had a thing to do with that acct. or any of my acct. I don't even no how they found him as my brother I never used him as a refer. or anylink to that acct. the only thing that I can think is he put me as a refer. on his acct. at some point and they cross referanced it then call ed them to try and find me when I miss a payment or two (be nice if they were that dilagent when it come to fixing there mistakes and then I would'nt be not paying them to get them to take notice to my acct and fix it)

well that's a mouth full and I got to run sorry fro the going on and such but you all are use to tha from me any way right?


L8R

son of a prophet said...

lol....


"The next time when you call cust.service ask that they not record you call as they do always now oh and...."


that is the best one....'your call is being montored for quality assurance purposes....'



right! what are they monitoring? the quality of the persons voice?


why not thay just say that 'you call is being monitoerd by the NSA to see if you a terrorist, then you can be hired by the govt. and come work fo us...."


heheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeee........

KYHOOYA said...

Kurt & Scott

Your doing a great job and your efforts are noticed and I thank you for them

THERES POWER IN NUMBERS

They can't beat everyone ond won't do those underhanded thing to win when there are lots of eyes watching them.

You all should see by now thatthe only reason that the PTB have not rolled over these guys and done what they have with so many others is the fact that there are to many people that are watching them and they can't do it with out us seeing it.

I mean look at Erwin S. and there were some but not that many that new about him and his fight. but even with a few he got the shaft and it was a big pile of shit too. if youdon't no here you go just one thing.
How in the hell is it that a judge tewlls someonre the is defending them selfs in a jurycase that they have to write down everything they want to ask and then give it to the judge and he will read it and then tell Erwin S. what he get's to ask as question in front of the jury. that has got to be the biggest bunch of horse shit I have ever seen come out of a so called fair jury trial in this the se United States of America.
How could anyone get a fair trial whit that shit yet it happened right in plane site or is that PLANE site as in 911/pend.crash tape
you no that old line that it's all a consperecy theory is running a little to thin with all that is being hung from it these days don'y you all think? that has got to be the PTB best ever propaganda yet well that and your a hippy radical but I don't think that one lasted as long as they had hope it would.

l8r q:^)>

everyone would take just just 10 min. out of there day and THINK & APPLY for a change instead of doing nothing, then we might, I mean we could get something done around here and start back on the road to what it's all about . Youknow LIFE, HAPPYNESS, LIBERTY that hole what this contry was all about back sometime ago. Man would'nt it be nice to see a change.

as one cheif justas said the capitalest way is not by any means the perfect way and need work to and the very least the power's that opperate it need to be watched as we can se through out history where there is power there is the chance of miss use and even in our dimo. and capit. way there are those that will forsake all others for the lust of power and it's friut << that's for the Fruit we all no and love .
just a mention for you but why don't you put that pen of yopur to work doing something to change the system that took your shit and stop wasteing it on the things tha won't help anyonne these guys' didn't do anything to scam anyone all though that is what the PTB want you to beleave and as a good follower your going right along with there plan arn't you it seems it dosn't take much to get the people that are weak to follow along like lemmings and they don't give a shit about you except that you pay them more money and more money fight fruit fight like your are but do it in the right direction and that go's fo all of the people I hear on this blog everyone of you at one point or another have said that they don'y think that thePTB are doing thing right and trhat altought you may no agree with the way the dorean group went about it you do think that the bank and the rest need to change . if you said it than it time To do something other than bithching on here about what you think put that to work where it is doing it best work to make it right again POWER IN NUMBERS

OR AS THE
3 MUCK-ET-TERS LIKE TO SAY "ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR KILL THE BANKERS IDON'T NO WITCH ONE i ALWAYS GET THEM MIXED UP. LOL HA!ha!
if you want a good go make it one start and then make someone eles have one to.

have a great day all!!!

and I meannn that!

KYHOOYA said...

Hey one last thing for you all who have kids or for that matter even if you don't you must no someone who has them and might be interested in the fact's about the banking system and the rest of the money system in thsi country.
So this is what I'am doing to change thing from how I grew up and make it different for my kid I 'm telling her the fact about how it all work as I have learned them and in the hope that she will know a lot more about it and make better choses for then I did .

I mean the fact is that i don't want her to wake up at 40 and just start to learn the truth like me the product of the good old USA ED system and what they told me was the the facts about money.
they are still teaching the same old crap just take a good look at one of your kids home work paper s and se for your self what they are being told. so I told my daughter that no big deal we would have some fun with it and I was going to teach her a few thing that might not be in the ling that she hear from school but never the less the truth is the truth and that if she wanted to asked about it when it come up in class that she can chalalnge the teachings all she wants and tha I'll as all ways will back her 110% if there is a problem with the school and will have them back up what they are teaching are kids lets seeif they have anything more to say that that is the way it is and that 's it they told us that whats the truth and we sould teach it the way they said and that is it not ??? the PTB right

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

NOT MY KIDS
NOT WELL i CAN STILL BREATH.

hey just my two cents and do what you will with yours just thought I woulod give you something to think about...

check out what your kids are being told as facts in school for your self and you'll see what I'm saying it's kinda scary to think what eles there teaching them for the 6-8 hr they have there little mind to dowaht theyt want.

The fact is that your school will do waht ever it is told to do by the PTB if they want to keep getting the money they receive to keep opperating and you better beat they structure everything aroud this one thing getting that money you no like they get paied for every kid that is there when the count is done then they get paied for thatmany if your kids is not there they don't get paied for them . Take a look at how your school put the importance of being at school as a top of the list in it news letter or such and it's do to money not the ED mist for not being there that thery are worried about thats for sure. check it out for your self

that's it have a great day everyone


l8r
l8r

son of a prophet said...

which god is pat roberson listing to???




Pat Robertson: God Said A Tsunami Will Hit America's Coastline

Robert Paul Reyes
May 18, 2006

As someone who appreciates the absurd, I frequently watch Pat Robertson's 700 Club. You never know when he's going to call for the assassination of a foreign leader or condemn an American town to hell.
The televangelist rarely disappoints; in his latest pronouncement Pat Robertson claimed God told him storms and possibly a tsunami will hit America's coastline this year.

"If I heard the Lord right about 2006, the coasts of America will be lashed by storms," Robertson said on his 700 Club, he added, "there well may be something as bad as a tsunami in the Pacific Northwest."

That may be the problem right there. Pat is getting long in the tooth, and he may not be hearing the Lord right. The Almighty may have actually said: Soon there will be another Starbucks opening in the Pacific Northwest.
The quirky religious broadcaster said the revelations about this year's weather came to him during his annual personal prayer retreat in January.
The Lord spoke to me during my annual gambling, girls and greed retreat in Las Vegas: "Son, believe thou not the ramblings of my wayward ministers Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. If a tsunami is about the hit America I will use a more credible individual than Pat Robertson to deliver the bad tidings. I will employ one of my trusted bleach-blond bimbo weather girls to sound the warning."
I wouldn't listen to Pat Robertson when he predicts the course a hurricane will take or when a tsunami will hit America's coastline. I'm not a weatherman, but I predict that a burst of hot air will hit this country the next time the 700 Club airs.

son of a prophet said...

Another Waco Brewing In Sleepy Texas Town Of Eldorado


Publisher of small town newspaper claims tempers and tensions are rising over polygamist sect, as FBI put its leader, Warren Jeffs, on the 10 most wanted list.


17 May 2006

By Greg Szymanski



Another bloody Waco-type situation is brewing in the sleepy Texas town of Eldorado, according to Randy Mankin, former city manager and publisher of the town's newspaper.



Mankin said the controversy surrounds the nation's largest polygamist sect and its leader, Warren Jeffs, who was recently put on the FBI's 10 most wanted list for allegedly abusing and raping a child.



The story broke nationwide Monday when the FBI announced a nationwide manhunt for Jeffs, who arrived in Eldorado two years ago, relocating from Utah with his group of more than 400.



"Nobody has seen Jeffs and we are not sure if he is inside the compound," said Mankin when he appeared Monday on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal. "The 64,000 questions are why they came here, where did the money come to buy more than 1,600 acres, as well as constructing an enormous, 25,000 square foot, five-story white temple that looks bigger than the Mormon Temple in Utah."



Mankin said the scenario building resembles Waco, hoping tensions will not build like they did in 1993 when authorities stormed David Koresh's Branch Davidian compound, leaving about 80 dead.



"I pray it doesn't come to that," said Mankin, who added it's the biggest story his town has ever seen. "I haven't seen a build-up of law enforcement, but the actions of those inside the compound have been very secretive."



Mankin said townspeople have always remained suspicious since the sect's leaders first arrived, pretending to be businessmen, adding they were building a hunting retreat for corporate clients. The leaders of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS) have since admitted they originally misled townspeople, as construction of the enormous white temple made their lies obvious.



As the story of the sect's polygamy practices spread, the state of Texas moved quickly to tighten up laws, sending a clear message that polygamy was frowned upon in Texas.



Rep. Harvey Hilderbran, R-Kerrville, quickly sponsored a bill to make bigamy a felony and raise the Texas marriage age from 14 to 16. His bill also made it illegal for stepparents to marry their stepchildren.



"What has happened in Colorado City and Hildale has taught us not to wait for this situation to grow into an unstoppable problem," said Hilderbran.



Although his bill died in the House, it later was transferred to the state senate where Gov. Rick Perry quickly signed it into law.



"I hope to prevent Texas from succumbing to the practices of taking child brides, incest, welfare abuse and domestic violence," Hilderbran said.



While the 2,000 residents remain suspicious, authorities are searching for Jeffs, who is facing serious sexual abuse charged related to his activities in Utah, the former FDLS home after it broke away from the Mormon Church.



The sect split from the LDS Church about 70 years ago after Mormon leaders officially renounced polygamy. Members of the sect continue to practice polygamy and are said to have a minimum of at least three wives.



FLDS leaders bought the ranch to Eldorado, located about three hours west of Austin, in 2004 in an effort to settle some families away from their larger community, in Colorado City, Ariz., just south of the Utah border.



Rodney Parker, the sect's lawyer and spokesman in Salt Lake City, warned against a "hysterical reaction" to developments within the church or at the settlement in Eldorado.



"The worst thing is when people start comparing this to a potential Waco, something that is completely unfounded," Parker said in a telephone interview, referring to the 1993 standoff between federal agents and Branch Davidian cult members that ended in a firefight.



"They just do not want any attention," Parker said. "They want to live quiet lives."



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son of a prophet said...

Besides the DaVinci Code falling the beginning of the 33 day cycle, Fermanian looks at some other strange dates and Illuminati events, including Waco, the Madrid bombings and 9/11.



"Think about this Friday the 19th is 1,711 days since 9/11 or (SEP-tember 11); Sep. means 7 in Latin or Roman," said Fermanian. "Also the Madrid Bombings were 911 days since 9/11. April 19th were also the dates for Waco and for the Oklahoma City bombings.



"Bush Senior announced the New World Order exactly 11 years before 9/11 on 9/11/1990. It must be remembered that one and nine are important Illuminati numbers. Then you have 7/7 London Bombings, the Start of the Iraq War on a 33 day cycle.



"The second London Bombings on a 33 day cycle, and the previous 33 day cycle (Sunday, April 16, 2006) Bush announced his Bird Flu and forced vaccination plans where they will have mobile labs to inject people and print Federal Reserve Notes overseas in case of a national emergency."



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down but not out said...

Also don't forget that 11+33=44 SOP'S I.Q. LOL

son of a prophet said...

THANX!

its actually only 40! but thanx anyway.

WillToFight said...

down and totally out!

down and totally out!

down and totally out!

WillToFight said...

down and totally out!

down and totally out!

down and totally out!

down but not out said...

SOP

Thanks for taking it so well, you know I'm just giving you the razz.

Will on the other hand, buy a sence of humor O.K.

Brilliant come back BTW

down but not out said...

Oh and Will,

I lost my house to foreclosure due to this process, and am still in support of K&S so SHUT UP, I am not a naysayer

mogel said...

Could it be that the prosecutions agenda or evil agenda is to declare K&S insane? By doing so, they can lock them up without any rights & throw away the key & put them on drugs to numb them up & shut them up or even possibly physically harm them with unwarranted drugs. Those in institutions have no rights, so to speak.

Could it be that the Lord in trying to overturn this conspiracy & trip up the prosecutions agenda, that He inspired Kurt to call the Judge to repentence & tell him that his house will burn if he doesn't repent?

Due to these statements to justify the evil agenda to determine them insane, an evaluation was ordered. Now the psychiatrist recently said, Kurt & Scott are competent to stand trial.

However, the problem here is that no thorough evaulation was done, before the psychiatrist made his determination, since K&S have always opposed a psychiatric evaulation, always verbally maintaining their competency, so how can the psychiatrist fairly determine WHETHER they are competent or incompetent to stand trial, a Farretta hearing being a hearing to determine competency.

Could it be that the psychiatrist who was put under oath, now looks incompetent or unfair himself, being the prosecutions witness, making the prosecution look like a bunch of idiots with alterior motives?

Get too many defects in the process, and a dismissal is imminent or is a given. If not, Judge Alsup is toast.

you will know them by their fruit said...

The biggest Naysayer of all on this process . . . GOD.

No matter how much you want God's stamp of approval it is His will that trumps your schemes.

These few cultish followers love what you have to say, it tickles their ears and they find ways to deny the bending of truth. They want to be blind, they need to be blind in order to buy the bull.

mogel said...

The biggest Naysayer of all on this process . . . GOD.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

No matter how much you want God's stamp of approval it is His will that trumps your schemes.

HIS WILL ALWAYS WINS, HOWEVER, WHO ARE YOU TO USE THE TERMS, "SCHEME" & TO PASS JUDGMENT? YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION, WHETHER YOU ARE A PROPHETESS OR NOT, SO WHY SHOULD I LISTEN TO YOU?

Fruit said: "These few cultish followers love what you have to say,

SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT ALL CLIENTS HAVE ALWAYS AGREED WITH ME ON EVERYTHING I SAY. NOT!!!!!!

it tickles their ears and they find ways to deny the bending of truth.

WHO ARE YOU TO DECLARE THE TRUTH? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LENDING WORKS & HAVE NO CREDENTIAL WHATSOEVER. I CAN SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT YOU THAT YOU, ENJOY BENDING THE TRUTH. "TRUTH IS KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS AS THEY WERE, AS THEY ARE, & AS THEY ARE TO COME." CAN'T WAIT UNTIL YOU GET A DOSE OF THE TRUTH. I HAVE NEVER BENT ANYTHING FOR THE PURPOSE OF TICKLING OR DECEIVING ANYONE. I SEEK AFTER THE TRUTH IN ALL THINGS.


They want to be blind, they need to be blind in order to buy the bull.

NO, INTELLIGENT CLIENTS WANT THE TRUTH, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE BLIND & MANY HAVE SINCERELY TRIED TO DETERMINE THE TRUTH NOT WANTING TO BE BLIND & STAY IN IGNORANCE & MANY HAVE TRIED TO DETERMINE THIS ON THEIR KNEES IN PRAYER. NO, THE INFORMATION & FACTS OUT THERE JUSTIFIES THE DOREAN CHALLENGE, ALWAYS HAS, & STILL DOES. THERE ARE ALOT OF INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLIENTS. FRUIT, I THINK YOU JUST OFFENDED ALL OF THE FAITHFUL CLIENTS, CALLING THEM STUPID, MISLED FOOLS. THIS MUST BE AN IMPORTANT FRUIT OF YOURS TO RECOGNIZE. LASTLY, GOD WANTS TRUTH FAIRNESS, & JUSTICE, THAT'S ALL THE DOREAN PROCESS SEEKS, SO IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT GOD WOULD BE AGAINST US OR THAT HE IS A NAYSAYER.

11:23 AM

mogel said...

Fruit said: "These few cultish followers LOVE what you have to say,..."

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU THINK YOU ARE SO PERCEPTIVE, THAT YOU EVEN KNOW THE FEELINGS, NOT ONLY OF GOD, BUT ALSO OF ALL OF THE DOREAN FOLLOWERS ON WHAT THEY LOVE TOO? MAYBE YOU ALSO THINK YOU SHOULD BE VOTED IN AS THE ALL AMERICAN POSTER WOMAN OF THE YEAR? DO YOU HAVE THE NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER THAT "GREAT TO BE ME" DEFINED?

provb1022 said...

Mogel and fruit

" I THINK YOU JUST OFFENDED ALL OF THE FAITHFUL CLIENTS, CALLING THEM STUPID, MISLED FOOLS. THIS MUST BE AN IMPORTANT FRUIT OF YOURS TO RECOGNIZE. "

Can I take back my comment on "sincere" fruit. I'm still laughing Moog

mogel said...

Fruit: Read what God has said & weep concerning who's side God is on, the fraudulent bankers who use unjust weights & measures or those that oppose their unfair system, & who wins in the end, allright?

MICAH 6:10-14 (LB version)

"For your sins are very great..is there to be no end of getting rich by cheating? The homes of the wicked are full of ungodly treasures and lying scales.

Shall I say 'Good!' to all your merchants with their bags of false, deceitful weights? How could G-d be just while saying that?

Your rich men are wealthy-through extortion and violence; your citizens are so used to lying that their tongues can't tell the truth.

Therefore I will wound you! I will make your hearts miserable for all your sins.

You will eat but never have enough; hunger pains and emptiness will still remain. And though you try to save your money, it will come to nothing at the end, and what little you succeed in storing up I'll give to those who conquer you!!"

(Spoken by the Almighty through the prophet Micah)

mogel said...

Fruit: Why don't you order the "Secret Bankers Manual", by Tom Shauf, an independent, who has no affilition with the Dorean Process & sincerely read his book with an open mind. One chapter has a slew of scriptures talking about money, lending, & banking & exactly what God's position is & what his will is. Tom Shauf, an expert, unlike you, is one who has studied the issue of who's side God is on, & what is his will on this subject, so you can figure out if you are on the wrong side & exactly what God's will is. Here is Tom's website: www.bankhonesty.com


Remnant Spoils Moneychangers

"The Vision"

Prov 29.18

Hab 2.1-4, 6-8 (NASV)

Jn 2.13-17

Mt 21.12-13

1 Cor 3.16-17

Eph 5.11-13

Hab 2.6-8 (NASV)

Mic 4.10-13

Mic 6.1-16

Isa 16.4

Isa 23.17-18

Isa 41.15-20

Isa 48.20

Isa 52.3

Isa 58.1,6

Prov 28.1,4,8

Zech 2.7-9

Oba 1.17-18

Zeph 2.9

Hab 3.12-14

Neh 5.1-13

WillToFight said...

When will you learn you IDIOT

YOU LOST YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF INJUSTICE, LACK OF JUSTICE, JUSTINCE IN THE THE POCKET OF BIG BANKERS,

BANKER FRAUD, should I continue?

Down and Totally OUt!

Get with it!.

Did you REFI! Or did you job take away your pension fund. Or did they move to India/China?

This process has only tried to get thing in correct perspective!

Point your finger at the real criminal.

I mean you steal believe that a B757 hit the pentagon. What can I tell you!

WillToFight said...

Mogel

I guess this is kind of fun. Responding to some of these people here like NUTCAKE?!?!?!

It really is a waste!


Nut Cake must think that because his/her belief in God is so strong, that they could jump off a cliff an landing on concrete and still live i.e. Believe without action!

Nut Cake, when will you see that it takes action to win battles?

You can't just go around spouting off bible verses thinking that that is all that has to be done!

There must be works/action/doing!

What are you doing?

What works have you performed?

What are your immediate actions (beside being a pain in the ass here), to make things better overall?

straight answers not bible verses!

down but not out said...

Hey willto be a dumbass,

I said I stand behind the process and K&S. SO STFU scumbag

mogel said...

Mogel

"I guess this is kind of fun. Responding to some of these people here like NUTCAKE?!?!?!

It really is a waste!"
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WILL TO FIGHT: YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT, HOWEVER, JUST IN CASE FRUIT WAS NOT GIVEN A PROPER & FAIR CHANCE TO FORM AN INTELLIGENT STAND, IN THIS SCENARIO TO EVEN GIVE HER EVEN THE BENEFIT OF ANY POSSIBLE DOUBT OF HER SINCERITY, SHE IS IN THE END, FINALLY LEFT "WITHOUT EXCUSE". THEN SHE CAN LEGITIMATELY JOIN THE GROUP, WHERE THERE IS "WEEPING, WAILING, & KNASHING OF TEETH." IN THE END, "THE FRUIT" WILL BE SEEN BY ALL AS ROTTEN.

YOU COULD NOT HAVE EXPLAINED IT BETTER: "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD".

YOU HAVE SHOWN THAT FRUIT HAS NO REAL FAITH, BECAUSE SHE HAS NO NOTEABLE WORKS, JUST A BUNCH OF HOT AIR THAT EVEN LOGIC CAN SHATTER INTO A MILLION PIECES. HER god, is possessed of no logic & no intelligence & no purpose.

mogel said...

Update with Freedom Club USA: 5/17/06
"We are expecting our first funding to complete by the end of June, 2006."

Can we expect to hear personal testimonies of facts SOON that the administrative process works?

Remember the rumor (soon to be fact?) that K&S would be freed in June 2006? Kind of interesting that expectations of important events of both companies are tied together at the same time & that it is believed that things are coming to an end according to Dr. Fred.

Here is what someone said:

"I'm sure everyone is feeling the desire for faster movement. But then, on an energetic level, we are dealing with a massive world-wide economic energy that has been in place for almost 100 years. In merging with that energy in order to gain benefit for ourselves and for others, it makes sense that there would be resistance and it will take some time to overcome it. It seems like every step of the way we (all of us in this process) have been feeling this resistance. I have been told that the greater part of wisdom is patience. So, I think as we maintain the vision and intent, and be patient, even though it may not be the easiest thing at times, we will see the intent manifest."

mogel said...

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always."
- Mahatma Gandhi

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The Lion asked the Wizard one time, "When does a slave become a king?"

"When You start acting like one! "

Otherwise You remain a slave all Your life.
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"When you have a dream, nothing gets in your way.
When you don't have a dream, everything gets in your way."

neodemes said...

It seems odd that God would spend so much time counciling Kurt on how to defeat bankers, but seems to do nothing about abortion.

Reprinted by permission of:

Copyright © Michael Bronson 1997, 1999, and 2000
BibleHelp.org


1 out of every 67 deaths in the WORLD is an American abortion*1

1 out of every 4 deaths in America is an American Abortion*2

Half of the deaths in the world are from abortions*3

Abortion is the leading cause of death in the world. It kills as many people as ALL of the other causes of death combined.*4

We have lost more Americans through abortions (64 times more) than we did in all of our wars (12 wars) combined*5

The world kills more people through abortion than all of the deaths in the America combined (22 times as many)*6

The D-Day invasion of France (WWII) was the bloodiest in history. There were 53,714 allied soldiers killed in the "Battle of Normandy." Yet, our world kills more people than that in just 9 hours through abortions.*7

America has lost 589 soldiers in its first year of fighting in the Iraq War. The world, however, kills more people than that in just 6 minutes through abortions.*8



Footnotes

About 56 million people (worldwide) will die this year. These statistics, however, do not include the number of American Abortions. Since there will be around 850,000 American abortions this years, this put the total deaths at 56.8 million. This means that one out of every 67 deaths (850,000 / 56,850,000 *100 = 1.49%, which equals 1 out of 66.9)will be from the American abortions.
(Source: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html )


America's population is around 290 million. The death rate in America is .834%. This means that 2.45 million Americans will die this year (290 million x .00834 = 2,447,600). These deaths, of course, do not include American abortions. Therefore, the total deaths in American will be 3.3 million. This means that one out of every 4 deaths in America will be from American abortions (850,000 / 3.3 million = 25.78%, which is 1 out of 3.8Cool.
(source: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.htm)


About 56 million people (worldwide) will die this year. These statistics, however, do not include the number of American abortions. There are about 53 million abortions performed every year in the world. That means that half of the world's deaths are from abortions.
(Source: United Nations Population Fund http://www.unfpa.org.)


If you add up all of the others deaths in the world, it almost equals the number of deaths from abortions.


In the past 12 American wars, we lost 651,543 American soldiers. Yet, in the past 30 years, we have lost over 41 million Americans to abortions. That means we lost 64 times more Americans through abortion than we have in all of our wars combined (41,704,000 / 651,543 = 64).
(Source: Time Almanac 2002)


There are (on average) 2,447,600 deaths a year in America. There are about 53 million abortions in the world every years. Therefore the deaths from abortions are 22 times the deaths in America (53,000,000 / 2,447,600 = 21.65). Actually, many sources say there are 55 million abortions a year and other sources put the numbers as high as 60 million. However, to stay on the conservative side, I chose to use the smaller number of 53 million.
(Source:
http://www.unfpa.org/intercenter/hopes/reprod.htm,
http://www.apologeticspress.org/docsdis/2001/dc-01-09.htm,
http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/nac.live?skin=textonly,
http://www.newint.org/issue303/abortion.html,
http://www.tftw.org/Articles/abortion.html,
http://perso.infonie.be/le.feu/ms/introdag/q2ag.htm,
http://courses.washington.edu/hserv531/womh.htm,
http://www.efc.org.uk/safety.html,
http://www.globalization101.org/issue/woman/5.asp)



There are, on average, 1.68 abortions performed every second in the world. Therefore, it would take 8.9 hours to accumulate 53,714 deaths (53,714 / 1.68 / 60 seconds / 60 minutes = 8.88 hours).
(Source: http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm )


There are, on average, 1.68 abortions performed every second in the world. Therefore, it would take 5.84 minutes to accumulate 589 deaths (589 / 1.68 / 60 seconds = 5.84 minutes).

you will know them by their fruit said...

2 Timothy 4:3,4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Colossians 2:8

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

w said...

mogel said... it is believed that things are coming to an end according to Dr. Fred.


mogel, please.

fred believed that over a year ago, are we going to have to get bill clinton's legal version of the word 'soon' for fred to relate with?

mogel said...

Excellent information on the subject of abortion Nemo, however, I feel the Lord deeply cares about the abortion problem too & has been doing things about it too. There are alot of groups inspired by Him that stand up for the abortion issue to try & stop the unnecessary & egregious killing that is wrong in most situations. Maybe what the Lord may do is send extreme punishments if we as a nation or as a world generally continue to not listen & obey not his word on this serious & extremely important subject. What option does he have left if things don't change soon? I once say a poster that said: "Abortion, a woman's choice". Later I saw it again & someone changed it in black paint to read: "Abortion, a murderer's choice." Someone felt strongly enough about the subject to take some proactive action.
Haven't you seen groups of people get arrested for their stand on this subject & stop at nothing due to their beliefs? I don't always agree on their methods, but this is probably the most controversial subject there is. Can you come up with a cause more controversial than the cause to stop abortion? Probably not. Maybe that should be your quest, Nemo, to show the world how wrong abortion is. You time would be better spent than all of the time you've spent to fight Kurt. I also think God can find the time to do whatever he wants. I'm sorry to think that you believe that God's omnipotence & omniscience is somehow lessened by his time counseling with Kurt.

mogel said...

2 Timothy 4:3,4

Fruit says one more time: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables. "

What "sound doctrine" are you referring to that the Dorean Group is not following Fruit?

mogel said...

W said: "mogel, please.

fred believed that over a year ago, are we going to have to get bill clinton's legal version of the word 'soon' for fred to relate with?"

Well if 1 day with God is a 1000 years to man, God creating the earth & things in 6 days (6000 years), according to the reckoning of time, how late is Dr. Fred if one is using the word, "soon". What would be 12 months with you? Minutes, maybe less? When Jesus says, he is "coming soon & will be coming as a thief in the night" or as one who is unnoticed, or "coming quickly" referring to the 2nd coming to usher in the 1000 years of peace, maybe Dr. Fred isn't far off at all. :o)

mogel said...

Colossians 2:8

Fruit said: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Good advise Fruit, just wondering why you aren't following the advise here in the scriptures yourself?

mogel said...

Here's something thought provoking -

The next time you hear a politician use the word "billion" in a casual manner, think about whether you want the "politicians" spending your tax money.

A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, maybe as much as the term "soon", I don't know, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its releases.

a.. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

b.. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

c.. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

d.. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

e.. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let's take a look at New Orleans - It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division:

Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for $250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans.

Interesting number, what does it mean?

Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man, woman, chi ld), you each get $516, 528.

Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans, your home gets $1,329,787

Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.

Washington, D.C. !!!..........................Are all your calculators
broken????

Maybe everyone should just flood their houses, then we can all be on the "big easy" street for the rest of our lives, and forget about working, and paying taxes and all that useless stuff!

Didn't I remember hearing that the Dorean Group will have at least a billion in administrative judgments?

son of a prophet said...

reading about the recent problems with the prisoners at guantnanamo bay reminded me of the old star trek series....

it had lot of similarities to the govt.

thier 'prime directive' was one of non-interference with neighboring planets, yet all they did was interfere..."we need di-lithuim crystals to run our ship, so you either sell them to us, or we will take them..."

non-interference, huh!? and tehre were many other similarites too..

in the episode that featured ricardo montalban as the great warrior "KHAN", the enterprise discovered a ship floating aimlessly thruough space and boarded it to find that it was a prison colony ship which housed 100 of the worst criminals on the planet, who could not be imprisoned anywhere safely, they were so bad. so they were put in suspended animatiion and sent of on a ship to just travel endlessly thruogh space....

anyone remember the name of the spaceship that these prisoneres were housed in???

the ship was called the S.S. BOTANY BAY...

any similarity to the prison in cuba which house the most incorrigble prisoners...guantanamo bay??

hhmmmm....could star trek been an illuminati production??

they certanily used the illuminati principle of always do the opposite of what you say you will do or appear to do, to the public...

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and regarding abortion, thats why this country is under judgement, for about 50+ million abortons since 1973 roe/wade decision...

thats a lot of payback coming due..."thou shalt not sacrifice babies to molech..."

~~The Swami~~~ said...

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy.

mogel said...

Title 12 USC Sect. 1813, defines the term “deposit” to mean:
the unpaid balance of money or its equivalent received or held by a bank or savings association in the usual course of business and for which it has given or is OBLIGATED to give credit, either conditionally or unconditionally, to a commercial, checking, savings, time, or thrift account, or which is evidenced by its certificate of deposit, thrift certificate, investment certificate, certificate of indebtedness, or other similar name, or a check or draft drawn against a deposit account and certified by the bank or savings association, or a letter of credit or a traveler's check on which the bank or savings association is primarily liable: Provided, That, without limiting the generality of the term ''money or its equivalent'', any such account or instrument must be regarded as evidencing the receipt of the equivalent of money when credited or issued IN EXCHANGE for checks or drafts or for a promissory note upon which the person obtaining any such credit or instrument is primarily or secondarily liable, or for a charge against a deposit account, or in settlement of checks, drafts, or other instruments forwarded to such bank or savings association for collection.
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Fruit does the borrower RECEIVE A RECEIPT for their deposit from the bank due to the actions of the lender taking the borrowers promissory note, & putting this as an asset on their books, just like it is proper if you yourself opened an account & deposited monies & the bank properly should give you a receipt for your deposit?

Fruit is the lender doing his legal duty if he gives no receipt for the deposit that is created?

Fruit, if not, why would the bank/lender not do this? Should the lender do this in all accounting fairness?

Fruit, does the lender alter the promise to pay into a "negotiable instrument" without your knowledge?

Fruit if the bank/lender alters the note, can you tell me what words are put on this note to alter it & if so, what are those words?

Fruit is alteration of an agreement, a legal right to void the loan agreement?

Fruit is the lending process a conscieneceable process & a fair process?

Fruit, does the bank/lender still owe you, the so called borrower due to the borrowers deposit?

Fruit, does the borrower have an equal offset to what the bank/lender is saying the borrower owes?

Fruit, if you have an equal offset, what legal right does the lender have to foreclose if they never paid back the borrowers deposit?

Fruit, is the bank/lender obligated to return the borrowers deposit?

Fruit, why hasn't the bank/lender returned the borrowers deposit?

Fruit, Is the banks/lenders loan practices "returning or giving to Ceaesar, that which is Ceaser's?

Fruit, is an account opened in the borrowers name behind their back without the borrowers knowledge something good that you support?

Fruit, does God do things in secret & is this practice according to his will?

Fruit, are the bank following God's will according to the scriptures?

Fruit, has the bank been unjustly enriched, & have they received something for nothing?

Fruit, is receiving something for nothing God's will?

Fruit, would God side with an evil doctrine?

Fruit has the bank/lender created money "out of thin air"?

Fruit, does the bank/lender lend from their own assets, or from their own equity, or from some other source OTHER than what the borrower brings to the table?

Fruit, has the bank taken a risk?

Fruit, is an "exchange" a real loan?

Fruit, if there was no real loan, is the borrower really legally obligated in any way?

Fruit did the lender fulfill all of their obligations according to their own representations?

Fruit, did the borrower's credit/promissory note in fact create the value for the so called loan he thought he received?

Fruit, is there any deception in the loan process?

Fruit, is there full disclosure?

Fruit, if there is deception & unjust enrichment & no full disclosure, & is there a valid agreement or contract according to the law in this scenario?

Fruit, should all Judges follow the law?

Fruit, if Judges were following the law, would they still allow foreclosures to continue?

Fruit, can you agree with the Dorean Process if the fruits of the lender is obviously evil & bad at the root?

Fruit, can an evil tree with evil fruit have a good root?

Fruit, does God support evil?

Fruit, is it true that if you are not with God, you are against him & did God say this in the scriptures?

Fruit, can you support the evil practices of the banker/lender & still be with Him?

Fruit, if Kurt & Scott are fighting evil, why do you fight them?

Fruit, can a house divided against itself stand?

I await your answers. If you are serious about your calling, you will answer them. If not, people will see you are not serious or sincere.

neodemes said...

Sheriif John Brown always hated me, for what, I don't know.

But every time I'd plant a seed he's say 'Kill it before it grow.'

son of a prophet said...

thanx neo,

you reminded me of what the name of the star trek episode was....


...."space seed".......

hmmmmm....could it be that the ac will come from guantanamo bay???


in the star trek episode, KHAN was a mean sob, and his cohorts planned on ruling the world....they were dropped off on a "forsaken planet" and flourished and then came back in the new star trek movie of recent vintage..."the wrath of khan"....

these were a race of superhumans....

the bible says that the ac will have superhuman power too...

the more i look at this, the more similarities that i see....

could guantanamo bay be a "petri dish" to develop superhumans udnder the guise of being a prison??

once this strongman comse out, he will go to europe to become the ac....


far fetched??? maybe....then again, maybe not....


only the HS could have made me notice the similarities, so i may not be so far off after all....as the HS can reveal a lot to those he wishes, without seeing it, just by sensing it.....

son of a prophet said...

and right now, is not earth "forsaken planet"????

neodemes said...

The rub is, moog, that a promissary note is simply that. A promise to repay. You aren't making a deposit, you're making a promise.

Maybe you would like to define Promissary Note?

w said...

so neo, my neighbor wants to 'borrow' 5,000. but instead of giving him 5,000 cash, I give him a check for 5,000 of 'credit bookeeping' that he can cash in the system only AFTER I sell his promissory note.

is it ok to take my neighbor's signed prommisory note and sell it on the market for 5,000 grand, then go write a credit check to my neighbor for the 5,000 grand that came from the sale of that note,
and after that go and collect the 5,000 + interest from my neighbor for something I never risked or gave consideration for, and if my neighbor cant pay I just take his property at no risk to me of any kind?

and we call that "thats just the way it is" and "the banks are helping the economy"
oh ,so I should just go be a banker and "help" my fellow people and the economy?
NOT

son of a prophet said...

YOUR'RE EITHER WITH US, OR AGAINST US!

THE NEW WORLD ORDER

(or is it dis-order?)

gee, thank you for the chioice....









Wondering How To Defeat The New World Order?

(i was sort of wonerin' about how to do this....lol)


Read This Short Article


The secret is to have the peaceful courage to possess the truth and acting on this conviction in everything we do


20 May 2006

By Greg Szymanski



Fighting the New World Order and its American minions, deceptively destroying this country, is a daunting task. But it is a task all free-minded people must accept willingly. It must be accepted since it is the right thing to do.



As it has been aptly put by someone close to the real spiritual controllers of the New World Order: "They have all the power. They have all the money. It's all over, America. And the fat lady won't be singing. It's going to be messy. Be prepared. You are either with us or against us. "



With that in mind, the words of a 21st Century American freedom fighter should be remembered when he said: the two things hated most by the spiritual controllers of the New World Order are Protestantism and Democracy, a fact put on the historical record in 1822 at the Council of Verona.



So how do good people overcome the enemy within?



The enemy must first be identified and then the internal possession of truth must be allowed to guide all actions, leading to the premise if "all actions are good, evil has no place to roam."



And so the battle to defeat the New World Order becomes centered and guided by the mounting strength and goodness within each individual, as one by one millions of Americans walking with conviction can expose and defeat the cowardice of evil.



We can strive for a better world in the physical sense, but first our moral compass must be set in the proper direction every single minute of every single day.



As necessity is the mother of invention in the physical world, so the presence of the New World Order in the spiritual sense is a call to arms or a rallying cry for all good men to look deep into their souls while never yielding to the forces of tyranny and evil



Without question, America's enemy is weak in true spirit but strong in earthly possessions. Without question, the enemy lacks honesty, integrity and a true vision of eternal peace and happiness.



Without question, America's enemy will shutter and fall by the wayside, knowing every day each and every good America awakens by proclaiming the following short meditation, written by Fr. John A. Hardon, a priest who knew in his heart who was the real enemy of mankind:



As motivation before reciting the meditation, first listen to the words of Lisa Gardner, a good American searching for answers who echoes the feelings of millions of others:



"I have two boys, 13 and 14. I am afraid to stay here in the United States because things have gone to hell. I want to go somewhere safe. Is there anywhere in THE WORLD that we are safe from the globalists? Is it even possible to get away from this madness? I don't know where to begin my search."



Don't leave. Lisa. Begin your search deep within your heart and soul with the following words written by Fr. Hardon:



Conviction is the basis of courage, certitude is the foundation of peace. The secret of achievement is to have the peaceful courage of possessing the truth and acting on this conviction in everything we do.



Without question, this meditation repeated everyday by millions of Americans will one day smother the enemy under a cloak of goodness.



And without question if all good Americans say the following prayer every day, given to us by Fr. Hardon, the enemy will once and for all be put to rest:



Teach me, my Lord, to be kind and gentle in all the events of life, in disappointments, in the thoughtlessness of others, in the insincerity of those I trusted, in the unfaithfulness of those on whom I relied.



Let me put myself aside, to think of the happiness of others, to hide my pains and heartaches, so that I may be the only one to suffer from them.



Teach me to profit by the suffering that comes across my path. Let me so use it that it may mellow me, not harden or embitter me; that it may make me patient, not irritable; that it may make me broad in my forgiveness, not narrow, proud and overbearing.



May no one be less good for having come within my influence. No one less pure, less true, less kind, less noble for having been a fellow traveler in our journey toward eternal life.



As I go my rounds from one task to another, let me say, from time to time, a word of love to You.



May my life be lived in the supernatural, full of power for good, and strong in its purpose of sanctity. Amen.



Editor's note: Please send this article far and wide so we can join hands every day and defeat the New World Order.

neodemes said...

How you choose to treat your neightbor is up to you, W.

You might want to take into consideration certain factors, though.

What is the nature of the need behind the $5K loan request?

Is there a life and death emergency involved? If so, you may want to give him/her the money, if you can spare it.

Or, rally a community effort to help out this citizen.

If there is only a desire to have something now, rather than later, you may want to advise them to be patient and save the money for their purchase.

As you decide what to do, remember Jesus tells us:

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

hth

papa_dont_preach said...

Mr. Neodemes, do you like dancing?

w said...

As you decide what to do, remember Jesus tells us:

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

ahh, and your jesus then condones stealing from your neighbor in the name of love then?

your jesus then is as long as you get away with it, then it must be ok to do it? thats religion for ya.
it is never ok to steal in the name of jesus love depending on the circumstance your neighbor is in. and there is no in-between, you either agree with it or you dont. and you stated you and your jesus agree with it.


just like the tv commercial, "life takes visa"
or is that visa is taking from your life?

neodemes said...

W sez:

"ahh, and your jesus then condones stealing from your neighbor in the name of love then?"

That doesn't even resemble anything I said.

Try again.

Elmer Fudd said...

Proof is in the pudding boys and girls...And Dorean hasn't shown one bit of it yet..Months of jibber jabber, but no proof. Make one of your dumb promises come true. Hotairblower!

neodemes said...

Kurt said:

"I got a word 22 years ago from God that guaranteed my victory"

Powerful statement.

If true, all the clients have it made in the shade.

It gives one pause for thought, though.

God came up with a Master plan for Kurt to defeat the evil bankers.

The plan went into action roughly 19 years later. That's a lot of time for fine-tuning, especially with Kurt on a 5 year, 8 month hiatus from the responsibilities of freedom, courtesy of the taxpayers.

And yet, in the process of drawing in an alleged 4000 clients, it seems the plan wasn't running smoothly.

Somehow, the banks' 'bad behavior' wasn't calculated into the mix and, after foreclosures cropped up for those who were told they could stop paying their mortgage, the 'administrative overpayment' policy was effected.

Daily operations were disrupted and funds impounded, hampering the efforts of the principles - somehow also unanticipated, after Word of Knowledge and years of planning.

You would think in all that time, the very best, hand-picked team could have been assembled, especially with God's backing,
yet Dorean ended up with an incompetent lawyer who lost the civil cases and was sanctioned and fined for his bumbling efforts, and a group of broker/agents, some who were less than savory public figures in the discussion forums, derisively attacking anyone who spoke contrary to the 'process'(You know who you/they are), and others who cut bait and ran like hell (weren't they made hip to God's plan?).

Speaking of bait...

Kurt said:

"I am surprised that you think a giant fish like the bankers and their gleaning fish the government can be caught on an empty hook. I can imagine some of you entering a battle and getting nicked by a sword say a $3,000 wound then dropping your sword"

AND

"We knew the fish we were baiting and God gave us the wisdom to reel in the prey."

Again, if true, the clients are in like Flynn, yet are chastised for not having enough faith in the team of Kurt and God not to be worried, scared, angry or upset...
the same clients, veritable agents of God's plan and used as bait, without whose participation, none of this battle to promised victory would have been possible.

Perhaps, rather than marketing '100 successes, be Free & Clear in 45 days', the ads should have been recruiting Warriors of God. Then there would be no reason to be so harsh to the clients, as they would all have been like-minded men and women, united in rightous battle from the outset.

Kurt said:

"My question is can the feds turn God into a liar?"

My question is, can Kurt turn God into a liar?

The answer to both, of course, is 'No'.

When all is said and done, and it turns out that victory does not go to Kurt, let no one try to say it was due to complicity of the Powers That Be.

There have been far too many claims of the direct intervention of God to even go there.

w said...

you are right nemo, I will 'try again' with your ways.

I will steal from my neighbor with your mentality and when my neighbor finally asks why at the end of it all, I will say, jesus said, love your neighbor as yourself.

neodemes said...

W, I don't know why you are so insistent upon stealing from your neighbor, or anyone else, but don't try to pin your actions on me.

Open your heart and wallet to your neighbor, without self-gain, if you are able to.

God loves you.

God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son so that none should perish, but have life everlasting.

Depart from your material ways, brother man.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

I give my neighbors about two months to get their Christmas lights down. If they are still up after the two months, I wait until the neighbors are gone and "I" take them down and throw them in the trash at no charge.

I LOVE YOU!

Tony Tuba said...

Brother Love said...
I give my neighbors about two months to get their Christmas lights down. If they are still up after the two months, I wait until the neighbors are gone and "I" take them down and throw them in the trash at no charge.





I've got one of those people in my neighborhood. Are you available next weekend?

KYHOOYA said...

neodemes said...
How you choose to treat your neightbor is up to you, W.

You might want to take into consideration certain factors, though.

What is the nature of the need behind the $5K loan request?

Is there a life and death emergency involved? If so, you may want to give him/her the money, if you can spare it

Neo
So I'm to understand you to say, that if I go to the bank with a good sob story they should then give me the money I'm asking for without any interest or payment's. Like lets say a "Grant" = (no payment or return due) only agreement to complete the task or resolve the said problem that backed the request.

Do I have a good understanding here of what you said or is this another one of those storys were it's one way for the bank's and another way for the rest of te people.

The other thing i would like to know from you is how you define the client of the dorean proscess,

1. Stupid

2.Heavly Medicated
3.Irresponsible

I was just interested because of your statement about how the dorean group should have addvetised that it needed people of faith to go after the evil bankers. It's a bit of a strech to think that the client were one of the above when they were just about to put there house on the line and the other's that did and lost there home .... Come on Let's give each other a break and I won't call you a dumb ass if you won't insist on me excepting the fact that the one who lost there house were not right on the edge of doing so when the signed on.

I can not come with a good reason for someone that would sign there house over without checking thing out first and noing the risk when doing so.

So can we all get over the B.S. that people lost anthing that they were not on there way to lost from the start. there is just know way that someone would do any of this other than that.
I can understand that poeple want someone to blame for what has happen, no one like to take reasonability for there own act's and thats the facts

One last thing I find it funny how you insist on making some kind of derog. when posting Mogels name and I don't see that in return. Why is that Neo?

Do you find him a threat of some sort and you need to demean him to try and bolster yourself.

Seem's kinda childish if it is not being returned that is.


O.K. two last things
What is it that you do for a living anyway?
It look's to me as if it just might be posting do to the amout you have done here and with your own site needing to be worked I would think that could keep someone busy most of the day. just wondering no big deal if you would rather not say.

KYHOOYA said...

Hey SOP

Dude it's time to take the "BLUE PILL" I think because what's with the Sar Trek & HS conection you are starting to scare me so stop it o.k. lol

if you have to there have got to be better conspiracy than that out there

I mean come on Gunto, HS,& Star Trek ??....

The next thing you'll be saying is that Capt Kurt had to Screw all those allien to get the dylithium crystals need to get to that planet were the saw "GOD" and then he pick a fight with him he was such a dumb ass at time you know what I mean .

I would think after all that time in space to get there. He would have shut up and just went with the flow and found another green chicand had a good time like the rest were going to do. BUUUUT oHHHH NOooo he had to go and open his big mouth and chalange the fact that "GOD" would'nt be mean and vengeful. You can just hear Spock now saming to him self "Will this guy ever just shut him big mouth and go with the flow" "I should just give him the death grip and get it over with because it going to come to that sooner or later anyway" or something close to that I would think

I sure hope you remember that episode because if not that won't sense at all.

Not like that has stoped me before or will again
anyway my two cents for the day
q:^}> L8R...

LOL

neodemes said...

"So I'm to understand you to say, that if I go to the bank with a good sob story they should then give me the money I'm asking for without any interest or payment's."

No

"Do I have a good understanding here of what you said or is this another one of those storys were it's one way for the bank's and another way for the rest of te people."

Unless the rest of the people are banks, than it stands to reason there has to be some difference.

The commonality between the two would lay in the promise to pay.

If one wants to go whining that they didn't understand the deal, when the terms of repayment are clarly laid out, they can do that, through the courts.

To sign up with an ME company, fully intending to refinance with the pre-meditated intent to default on the 2nd loan as well, really isn't justifiable, is it? At that point, there is no excuse of not knowing that there may be a question of non-disclosure by banks.


"The other thing i would like to know from you is how you define the client of the dorean proscess"

I'm sure each case is different, but misled, gullible or greedy might be appropriate words.

Regarding forclosures, many who lost their homes may have been going to anyway. I don't know intimate details. Whether all who entered the process would have, I don't know, but doubt that is true. However, all who stopped making payments and counted on Dorean docs would be foreclosed on. Without a doubt.


"One last thing I find it funny how you insist on making some kind of derog. when posting Mogels name and I don't see that in return. Why is that Neo?"

Sometimes I use mogel, sometimes Byron, or moog, or moogie. I don't see any difference than my being referred to as nemo, or neo.

I've been called worse. I'm sure mogel has been, too.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "The rub is, moog, that a promissary note is simply that. A promise to repay. You aren't making a deposit, you're making a promise."

You're partially correct, let me explain further why the mortgage agreement is invalid, although I suspect you already understand this, or at least should understand this as many times as it has been explained in one form or another. The lender CHANGES the promissory note to a "negotiable instrument" and now it becomes much like a check that can be banked & deposited, by the lender endorsing the promissory note by adding the words, "Without recourse, pay to the order of XYZ Bank", also done behind the borrowers back. This is an alteration of the agreement since it is not disclosed in the mortgage agreement& this is how they raise the funds for your loan & this is forgery by the lender, the changing or altercation of the original promissory note. Without this alteration or until you have this "indorsement", the promissory note cannot be banked. At the time the lender deposits this "deposit" or these funds, the lender still has not paid any financial consideration for the promissory note & has not as yet given a loan either at this point & has not yet paid off the Seller of the house. In essence, the lender has raised an asset to himself FIRST without any financial risk through trickery & deceit & forgery (altering the note). Now, the lender can borrow against this asset, or he can sell the promissory note to raise the necessary funds to pay off the Seller of the house or he can use the credits that were received by putting this asset on their books to pay off the Seller of the house you are buying, LATER when the bank just issues a check to the Seller. After all, it is the "borrowers deposit" that provided the necessary funds for the borrowers loan, unbeknownst to the borrower. Unbeknownst to the borrower, the lender also opens an account at the bank in the borrowers name to deposit these funds. Lenders CREATE monies that didn't exist before in the financial system through the loan process. It is much like creating something out of thin air, but the lender needs the borrowers signature to do the loan process. WE already know that banks don't lend out their own assets, they don't lend out depositors funds that open up checking or savings accounts & they don't lend out their stockholders equity & are forbidden by the law to do any of this. Also lender don't follow generally accepted accounting Principles (GAAP) through their practice. Lenders create the funds needed for loans & as long as they have the proper reserve requirements, they can continue to make loans based upon those requirements & can pyramid their assets accordingly through theft, getting something for nothing.

The fact that fractional reserve banking exists is enough proof that lenders COULDN'T loan out their own assets dollar for dollar or credit for credit.

Each new loan also in turn inflates even further the value of each federal reserve note already in circulation. That is the reason for inflation, the lending practices of the banks. An exchange is not a loan. If you do an exchange with someone should you pay AGAIN plus interest? Now you understand what Jesus meant in this scripture: www.bankhonesty.com
Of course you shouldn't have to pay AGAIN, "to receive as much again". Who is doing the loan? Sinners such as (bankers, lenders, money exchangers).

Since the Seller was paid, you, the borrower, think that the bank loaned you monies & you think you are obligated to the bank, but the bank is also obligated to you, which in essence is a "wash out", but NEVER pays you back your "deposit" even though the law says they must. YOu have an equal financial offset. That is why all foreclosures are illegal & unjust. This is why mortagage elimination has merit. If the lender ever paid you back your deposit, Dorean wouldn't exist nor would they ever have gone into business & Kurt & Scott wouldn't be in jail.

mogel said...

Kurt said:

"I got a word 22 years ago from God that guaranteed my victory"

Powerful statement.

If true, all the clients have it made in the shade.

It gives one pause for thought, though.

God came up with a Master plan for Kurt to defeat the evil bankers.

The plan went into action roughly 19 years later. That's a lot of time for fine-tuning, especially with Kurt on a 5 year, 8 month hiatus from the responsibilities of freedom, courtesy of the taxpayers.
________________

NEMO: HOW LONG DID MOSES WANDER IN THE WILDERNESS TO PREPARE THE PEOPLE FOR THE PROMISED LAND? WASN'T IT 40 YEARS? IF MOSES WAS A PROPHET & WAS LED BY GOD, WHAT TOOK MOSES & GOD SO LONG FOR THE FINAL REWARD? WAS IT GOD'S FAULT FOR THE LONG TIME? WAS IT MOSES'S FAULT THAT HE COULDN'T LEAD BETTER OR FASTER TOWARD THE EVENTUAL GOAL? WHICH IS IT? DID MOSES EVEN WITNESS IN THE FLESH OR SEE THE ISRAELITES GOING TO THE PROMISED LAND? IF HE DIDN'T, WHY WAS THAT?
__________________

And yet, in the process of drawing in an alleged 4000 clients, it seems the plan wasn't running smoothly.

Somehow, the banks' 'bad behavior' wasn't calculated into the mix and, after foreclosures cropped up for those who were told they could stop paying their mortgage, the 'administrative overpayment' policy was effected.
________________________________

THE BANKS BAD BEHAVIOUR WAS ALWAYS KNOWN FROM THE BEGINNING. THAT IS WHY NO GUARANTEES WERE EVER GIVEN BECAUSE THE POWER OF THE BANKS ARE SO GREAT WITH THE COURTS BACKING UP THEIR FRAUD. THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERPAYMENT GIVES YOU THE BORROWER, THE ADDED BENEFIT TO GO AFTER THE BANK LATER FOR THOSE EXTRA PAYMENTS THAT YOU DON'T OWE. AFTER ALL, THE MORTGAGE WAS DISCHARGED LEGALLY BEFORE YOU STARTED THE ADMINISTRATIVE PAYMENTS. YOU DON'T OWE THEM. THE PROCESS WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE EASY & WITHOUT A FIGHT. WE HAVE THE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION, HOWEVER, THE LENDERS STILL DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW & DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. SO WHAT'S NEW? THE LENDERS WILL PAY MORE IN THE END DUE TO THEIR TRESSPASSES.
___________________________

Daily operations were disrupted and funds impounded, hampering the efforts of the principles - somehow also unanticipated, after Word of Knowledge and years of planning.
________________________

JESUS WAS FOREORDAINED TO BE THE REDEEMER & SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD & THERE WAS MUCH PLANNING FOR THAT TOO, WAS THERE NOT? IN THE END HE OBTAINED VICTORY TO & WE ARE ALL RECIPIENTS OF THAT. HOW MUCH TROUBLE DID HE HAVE? WAS EVERYTHING A CAKE WALK FOR HIM TOO?
_______________________

You would think in all that time, the very best, hand-picked team could have been assembled, especially with God's backing,
yet Dorean ended up with an incompetent lawyer who lost the civil cases and was sanctioned and fined for his bumbling efforts, and a group of broker/agents, some who were less than savory public figures in the discussion forums, derisively attacking anyone who spoke contrary to the 'process'(You know who you/they are), and others who cut bait and ran like hell (weren't they made hip to God's plan?).
______________________________

NEMO, "MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN." DAVID WAS CALLED OF GOD TOO, BUT HE COMMITTED MURDER & ADULTERY BY LUSTING AFTER BASHEEBA, WAS HE NOT? WE ALL HAVE FREE CHOICE. NONE THE LESS, DAVID WAS CALLED FOR HIS WORK.
_______________________

Speaking of bait...

Kurt said:

"I am surprised that you think a giant fish like the bankers and their gleaning fish the government can be caught on an empty hook. I can imagine some of you entering a battle and getting nicked by a sword say a $3,000 wound then dropping your sword"

AND

"We knew the fish we were baiting and God gave us the wisdom to reel in the prey."

Again, if true, the clients are in like Flynn, yet are chastised for not having enough faith in the team of Kurt and God not to be worried, scared, angry or upset...
the same clients, veritable agents of God's plan and used as bait, without whose participation, none of this battle to promised victory would have been possible.
____________________

NEMO: WE ALL NEED CHASTIZEMENT FROM TIME TO TIME. KURT WAS REFERRING TO THE LENDERS TO TAKE THE BAIT, NOT THE CLIENTS.
___________________________

Perhaps, rather than marketing '100 successes, be Free & Clear in 45 days', the ads should have been recruiting Warriors of God. Then there would be no reason to be so harsh to the clients, as they would all have been like-minded men and women, united in rightous battle from the outset.
____________________________

NEMO: EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES. BEING LIKE MINDED IS A PROCESS THAT ENDS IN PERFECTION SOMETIME IN THE NEXT LIFE. KURT'S CHASTIZEMENTS HAVE MERIT. KURT HAS NEVER BEEN HARSH THAT DIDN'T MERIT JUSTIFICATION. AND IF HE MADE A MISTAKE, ISN'T HE WORTHY OF CHRIST'S FORGIVENESS IF HE REPENTS? BESIDES WASN'T IT YOU THAT QUOTED THE SCRIPTURE ABOUT BEING FORGIVING & BEING TENDER HEARTED? IF YOU FELT THAT WAY THEN, WHY DON'T YOU FEEL THAT WAY NOW?
_________________________

Kurt said:

"My question is can the feds turn God into a liar?"

My question is, can Kurt turn God into a liar?

The answer to both, of course, is 'No'.

When all is said and done, and it turns out that victory does not go to Kurt, let no one try to say it was due to complicity of the Powers That Be.
___________________________

NEMO: LIKEWISE WHEN KURT WINS, LET NO ONE RATIONALIZE HIS VICTORY AWAY, NOR WHAT THE VICTORY MEANS TO ALL CLIENTS.
____________________________

There have been far too many claims of the direct intervention of God to even go there.
________________________

NEMO: LIKEWISE THERE HAVE BEEN TOO MANY THAT HAVE STONED THE PROPHETS & MOCKED GOD'S WORDS TOO TO EVEN GO THERE TOO.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "To sign up with an ME company, fully intending to refinance with the pre-meditated intent to default on the 2nd loan as well, really isn't justifiable, is it? At that point, there is no excuse of not knowing that there may be a question of non-disclosure by banks."
_________________

NONDISCLOSURE IS NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT THE DOREAN PROCESS HAS WITH THE LENDER. THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THEFT BY THE BANKS. THEY GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING & HAS BEEN USING THE PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME.

WHAT PART OF THE CLIENTS BEHAVIOUR CAUSED THE BAD BEHAVIOUR OF THE LENDER? DO LENDERS ALWAYS STEAL? OF COURSE THEY DO. THEY NEVER PAY YOUR DEPOSIT BACK TO YOU.

THE DOREAN PROCESS IS A CLEVER PROCESS & ATTEMPTS TO GET SOME SORT OF JUSTICE BACK, THEN, I SAY IT'S JUSTIFIABLE.

DIDN'T JESUS SAY, BE AS WISE AS A SERPENT, BUT HARMLESS AS DOVES? I THINK CLEVERNESS & WISENESS CAN BE SYNONYMOUS AT TIMES.

NEMO, IF YOU HAVE A BETTER PLAN, TO GET SOME JUSTICE BACK TO THE PEOPLE, LET'S HEAR IT?

neodemes said...

moog,

we can go round and round forever. It's pointless.

You talk as though people have the ability to purchase a house with their signature alone.

Without the banks mechanisms there wouldn't be homeownership for anyone other than the filthy rich with piles of cash.

Is that your vision of the future? Is that justice for the people?

I don't think so.

I don't think Kurt compares to Moses, David or Jesus, either, but I won't dispute your right to believe so.

Is Kurt worthy of Christ's forgiveness if he repents, you ask?

No.

Neither are you.

Nor me.

We are all as filthy rags.

That's the awesome beauty of God's Grace.

mogel said...

Without the banks mechanisms there wouldn't be homeownership for anyone other than the filthy rich with piles of cash.

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T HEARD OF SELLER FINANCING? YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF ABOLISHING THE FED & SETTING UP HONEST BANKING & LENDING & GETTING RID OF THE CARTEL, CALLED THE FEDERAL RESERVE WHO'S MAIN PURPOSE WAS TO ABOLISH COMPETITION & INCREASE THEIR PROPHETS, I MEAN PROFITS. YOU ARE STILL THINKING WITHIN THE BOX.
________________________

Is that your vision of the future? Is that justice for the people?

I don't think so.

I don't think Kurt compares to Moses, David or Jesus, either, but I won't dispute your right to believe so.
___________________________

Prophets are called for different missions & have different talents & God knows the heart & mind of man & who to call for his special purposes. It's pointless to argue who are the greatest prophets for we all love them for different reasons.

A prophet has two definitions in the scriptures. One is a person called of God for a special purpose & his prophecies come true. There have been many prophets since the beginning of time. Surely God does nothing without revealing his secret to the servants, the prophets. Amos 3: 7. Another definition of a prophet is that a person is a prophet if he testifies of the divinity of Christ & recognizes him as the Chosen One, & can testify by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is something Kurt has acknowledged & done.
_____________________________

Is Kurt worthy of Christ's forgiveness if he repents, you ask?

No.
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CHRIST SATSIFIED THE DEMANDS OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE ATONEMENT & PAYED THE PENALTY OF SIN. THUS IF CHRIST WANTS TO EXTEND MERCY & FORGIVENESS TO WHOMEVER, IT'S HIS BUSINESS, & CAN EXTEND FORGIVENESS TO ANYONE, INCLUDING KURT, YOU & OTHERS. HE BOUGHT US WITH A PRICE. WE ARE HIS. YOU COME FROM A MORE PROTESTANT VIEW OF THE DOCTRINE OF GRACE. I DON'T THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL THAT WE ARE ALL SINNERS & UNABLE TO SAVE OURSELVES ALONE. "WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ONLY AFTER ALL THAT WE CAN DO."
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Neither are you.

Nor me.

We are all as filthy rags.

That's the awesome beauty of God's Grace.

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