Sunday, May 21, 2006

The Exit (5/5/06)

How could I possibly thank the Lord for so great a deliverance? Many of you have the jaw dropping experience but imagine how much more myself. The speed of the success may give the appearance of easy, which is far from the facts. This was the full energy of the federal government who could get a state (UTAH) to fabricate 10 felonies in an hour, pressure a foreign country, and punish a man without relief. They hardly ever lose, cheat, are unlawful pirates of commerce and do it with intent of malice. Every benefit rest with them. We are not lawyers, pros, or skilled yet God gave us wisdom far beyond our enemy. Many of you loudmouths were not honest in your judgments or professions and that is why at this moment you are without words. I was honest though many promises were unfulfilled. God deserves all of our praises. Christ kept me poised under fire never worried or in fear. This is gifted not of the nature of a man. Christ has proven trustworthy in that He called me into the entrance of this battle with His exit already prepared. Christ had the faith God would raise Him because He promised. This same Christ knew to trust the reliability of the exit because God spoke it and lived that faith through me. That obedience is what condemns all the hearts of evil whether in power or in isolation. May we all learn from the Dorean victory that to follow the Christ overcomes this world and our sinful nature and is the power by obedience to defy the powerful and wicked. Christ will move many to blessing regardless of bankers, governments, armies, media, ignorance or stupidity. I am grateful Christ!

72 comments:

Justice7777777 said...

They really should not give Kurt the sniffable glue to work with. Don't breathe the fumes brotha. Wow.

Time for the faithful to come in a and try to clean things up. Go ahead guys tell him he had a great post.

My favorite has been imb talking about everyone eating crow (I don't think he understand the saying).

But my very, very favorite was the discussion were folks were trying to debate/decide where to put all their windfall settlements. That was funny!!

Just knowing you crazies are out there is scary.

Preach on koresh.

Yetter said...

Kurt and Scott
From the only time I talked to you, I could tell you were being led by somthing few could understand.
God's wisdom confounds us all and leaves us in wonder.Peace be with you.

Yetter said...

Selective justice 7,why not show us your faith. Sell all you have and buy FMN stock.

oksurewhynot said...

"From the only time I talked to you, I could tell you were being led by somthing few could understand.

...EVERYBODY on the blog can agree with that statement....

God's wisdom confounds us all and leaves us in wonder.
...Yep. Still don't understand God's plan on this one. It's very sad for all parties involved and has left people devestated. Take that one back to the bunker, Fred.

taycamstu said...

Are Kurt and Scott released from jail? Is there an actual step to take to receive a financial settlement swiftly?

WillToFight said...

Taycamstu

Where have you been?

jbenda said...

I'd like to know the answer to that as well. I have been out of the loop for quite a while. It doesn't matter if they are in jail...a settlement can be made regardless. Why is it not done yet?

habakkuk said...

Here they come.

Peanut Gallery said...

Will said,

"Taycamstu, where have you been?"


That was the first post that taycam stu has sent.

I have been here all along and I am in the dark as well. There has been no indication that we have won the battle. What adds to the confusion is the dating of the posts. I.E. this last post is dated 5/5/06, is this the date that it was authored? If so that means that someone knew on the 5th of this month (almost three weeks ago) that it was over. If so why no announcement? Why all the other posts with an apparent lag time?
I would think that there would have been word from Dr. Fred.

Will, you seem to be more in the know than many on this blog,can you tell us what is going on please?

WillToFight said...

What If

What if the people would petition the government to tax the coorporate derivatives market for just a measely 1%?

What If the people would demand the government end that psuedo paper market that holds 100 Trillion in debt paper?

Why do we allow no control over ourselves.

Why shouldn't we ask questions like:

UNITED Airlines was allow to discontinue and eliminate the pension funds of most if not all it's employees. Why would I stand behind that employee.

If I don't when will my company decide or (take the open door allowed by the judiciary/government) to take my pension and leave me working past 70 yrs old.

You believe that the WTC buildings fell because a plan hit them?

etc

etc

etc

etc

etc................................................................................................

Peanut Gallery said...

What if we were allowed to dictate where 15% of our wages went, instead of the ponzi scheme known as Social Security.
If any one of were doing what the gov't is doing in regards to social insecurity, we would be locked up for running an illegal ponzi scheme.
In 15 short years it will be a one to one system. One payor for each recipeint, or in other words a tax of nearly 50% on the average wage earner.
Now congress has passed a bill that will allow the illegal aliens who become residents full access to the benefits.

Turn out the lights, the party is over

whyudothat said...

jbenda said... a settlement can be made regardless. Why is it not done yet?


Ask fred about that, he said the same thing in 2005

Peanut Gallery said...

will,
Any feedback from my previous post?
Do you have the scoop, the poop, the skinny, the lowdown, the word etc,etc,etc?

son of a prophet said...

"You believe that the WTC buildings fell because a plan hit them?"



lol....that is exactly right!


a "plan" hit them, from from about 5-10 years ago, when it was hatched.....

dgwondering said...

Next hearing is on June 13th.

Peanut Gallery said...

dg,

What is the source of your information

son of a prophet said...

and your settlement money wont come a momemt too soon, either....


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West Coast Warning

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son of a prophet said...
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papa_dont_preach said...

SoP, way to stay on point... :(

WillToFight said...

MUst have missed the question peanut!

mogel said...

Kurt said: "How COULD I possibly thank the Lord for so great a deliverance?

Must be a prophecy to be fulfilled in the future, soon. Notice the wording used of "could" instead of "can". Reading comprehension is the key here. There's a difference from present tense verbage & future tense verbiage & the action verb was used correctly. This is a good indication that some are still not listening.

neodemes said...

That's odd... he uses could as past tense here, does he not?

"This was the full energy of the federal government who could get a state (UTAH) to fabricate 10 felonies... "

Let's see how this 'prophecy' plays out, shall we?

neodemes said...

peanut,

regarding June 13

Alsup's order (a proposed order when I saw it, but it held, as far as I know):

based upon the record made at the parties’ appearance before this Court on May 9,
2006, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that:
(1) a hearing pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 4241(c) will be held on May 11, 2006 at 2:30 p.m.
for James Misset, M.D.’s testimony regarding his reports provided to the Court pursuant to 18
U.S.C. § 4247(c) as to the competency of defendants Heineman and Johnson, respectively;
(2) the Faretta hearing as to defendants Heineman and Johnson is continued to May 11,
2006 at 2:30 p.m., if defendants Heineman and Johnson are each found competent by a
Case 3:05-cr-00611-WHA Document 64 Filed 05/10/2006 Page 1 of 2

[PROPOSED] ORDER 2
preponderance of the evidence pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 4241(d);
(3) defendants LeCompte and Tobias, and their respective counsel, are excused from the
foregoing May 11, 2006 proceedings before this Court;
(4) the parties are scheduled to appear before this Court on June 13, 2006 at 2:00 p.m. for
setting of motions schedule; and
(5) the time from May 9, 2006 to June 13, 2006 is excluded from the time within which
trial must commence under the Speedy Trial Act, 18 U.S.C. § 3161 et seq., on grounds of: (a) the
need for effective preparation by counsel pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(Cool(b)(iv), taking into
account the exercise of due diligence, to review tens of thousands of pages of discovery produced
in electronic format; (b) a pending hearing under 18 U.S.C. § 4241(c) to determine the mental
competency or physical capacity of defendants Heineman and Johnson, respectively, pursuant to
18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(1)(A); (c) continuity of counsel, given that counsel for defendant LeCompte
is unavailable the week of June 5, 2006; (d) the complexity of this case, wherein a 68-count
indictment has been returned charging seven defendants with, inter alia, mail fraud, bank fraud,
and conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud violations and more than
100,000 pages of discovery have been produced; and (e) the ends of justice are served and
outweigh the best interest of the public and the defendants in a speedy trial by excluding this
period of time under the Speedy Trial Act pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(Cool(A), for the reasons
set forth above and for the continued Faretta hearing as to defendants Heineman and Johnson to
determine whether they each understand their rights to be represented by counsel in this criminal
proceeding and the risks of proceeding without counsel.
IT IS SO ORDERED.


hth

~~The Swami~~~ said...

I walked around all day thinking I had a corn on my foot. Turns out when I got home and took my shoe off I had a rock in my shoe all day. Now I have an open sore on my foot because I walked around all day with a rock in my shoe. Life is funny like that. I love how life goes in circles.

WillToFight said...

There you have it peanut!

Neodomes posted the entirty of what took place in court. A fascist judge continues to unsurp the foveriegnty of two american citizens to present and represent the facts as they are!

Patience!

Global Fascism quickly rising like a brush fire with a 50 knot tail wind. Eating up the masses with debt unpayable except with your life/labor/sanity/enjoyment/dignity/fun/love/

How long before America is entirely consumed?

What are you doing to protect yourself?

WillToFight said...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/
may2006/230506doesntfly.htm


Former Pilot Says 'Jet Blast' Dismissal Doesn't Fly
Contradicts facts of previous story about Flight 77 knocking cars off Pentagon highway

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | May 23 2006

Following the publication of our article questioning claims that wake turbulence or jet blast could have thrown cars around the highway as Flight 77 approached the Pentagon at a reported altitude of 20 feet, a former pilot and aeronautical engineer contacted us to refute the arguments presented in the piece.

It is our intention to explore both sides of the argument and leave the reader to decide for themselves if the Pentagon Flight 77 issue is a genuine smoking gun of 9/11 or an attempt by the government to bait us into a honey pot trap by later releasing crystal clear footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. At no turn do we doubt the validity of the overwhelming body of evidence proving 9/11 as an inside job. The 9/11 truth movement is currently enjoying its widest exposure ever, and a new Zogby poll which shows half of Americans nationwide (not just New York) want a new independent investigation into 9/11 is proof that this issue is evergreen and growing in popularity.

WillToFight said...

I think the above article shows that those believing a 757 hit the pentagon are absolutely wrong!

It could not have happened as described!

son of a prophet said...

forget an "independent investigation"....


see "Warren commission"......


different matter.....same result...


waste of time and money......

WillToFight said...

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/
20060519.html


How Does President Bush Compare with Other Wartime Presidents With Respect to Free Speech Issues?
By JOHN W. DEAN
----
Friday, May. 19, 2006

Lately, the Bush Administration has been talking of using the Espionage Act of 1917 to prosecute the New York Times and the Washington Post. Yet these veteran newspapers' "crimes" consist merely of publishing Pulitzer-Prize-winning articles on the CIA's secret prisons, and the NSA's secret surveillance programs.

Not even Nixon sank so low. He might have initiated criminal prosecutions against the Times for printing the Pentagon Papers, yet did not.

WillToFight said...

SOP

Always saying that nothing can be done.

You know GOD will not do it for us!

GOD gave us the divine ability to see and do.

What is the difference between

BEING V. DOING?

WillToFight said...

SOP

What is the key?

against_the_odds said...

Hey naysayers, you can check your beloved FANNIE here.

son of a prophet said...

i never say taht nothing can be done.

its just that nothing of importance will be done. they would simply conduct some BS investigation and....well, BS will come out of it....so, why bother??

besides, the ptb love investigtions as they control both sides of them.

is Yehsua doing somehting about it?

yes, certainly. but when He gets here. in the meantime, you can pick you spots, like the dg, etc.

but the overall prob will not be solved until He gets here.

remember, if you believe that we can solve all the problems, then you are actually agreeing with the ptb that you/we (man) can bring in the millenial kingdom w/o yehsua?

impossible.

yet, that is exactly what the bible predicts...this false 'millenial kingdom'

i say agian, whose kingdom is this??

if you never forget this, you can never go too far off the track.


yeshua said...."my Kingdom is NOT of this world; if My Kingdom were of this world, Mine would come and fight for Me..."

this means that a true Chirstians kingdom is also NOT of this world.

hard to accept, but true.

it technically means that for a christian, we are just going through the motions here on earth.

our ballpark hasnt been built yet. we are playing all road games in satans kingdom..

doenst sound good does it??

son of a prophet said...

could this be true???

its hard to believe!

now this should be invetigated.

so, where is ones belief in yeshua?

just because one is ordered to kill?

so the govt. has become you god. more important to do what they tell you than to obey the commandments?

NO EXCUSE!!




Former Army Ranger Given Orders To Kill Innocents Praying In A Mosque, Including Women And Children At Point Blank Range
Jessie Macbeth, Iraqi veteran against the war, said he witnessed mass graves of innocent Iraqis being hidden from the world. He estimates hundreds of thousands have needlessly died in what amounts to a mass genocide.



23 May 2006

By Greg Szymanski


link--> http://www.arcticbeacon.com
/23-May-2006.html

papa_dont_preach said...

SoP, by chance, is your first name John (aka Johnny)?

WillToFight said...

Fannie reaches $400 million settlement
Says 'arrogant and unethical' culture led employees to lie about earnings for high bonuses; recommends review of current management.
May 23, 2006: 12:04 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Fannie Mae's "arrogant and unethical" corporate culture led to an $11 billion accounting scandal at the mortgage giant, federal regulators said Tuesday in announcing a $400 million settlement with the company.

The regulators said that employees massaged earnings to trigger bonuses for senior executives, and the board of directors contributed by failing to act independently.

________________________

Along with this disgusting information. Your goverment let them get away with 10.6 billion. They settled for a measly 400 Million.

What a crime! What a crime!

The fascist control/and are your government/judiciary/corporations!

SOP many will suffer while people are waiting on a return.

Why not the fact that our God is already here and never left, but this is not realized. I am not waiting for anything! I am doing something now!

I do not believe God/Jesus/Yeshua/Yahweh etc. would want anyone to wait.

ACTION ACTION ACTION

Being v. Doing

These are the Law!

And the Word became Flesh! The physical ability to touch/change/align/become!

son of a prophet said...

wtf said...


"SOP many will suffer while people are waiting on a return."


now you have hit on something!!!


a christians life on this earth is to......see above. hint: word begins with an 's', no make that a capital 'S'

yeshua and the apostle did nothing but suffer, because this was/is not their/our kingdom.

if you dont believe this, then you must not believe that yeshua was god, as he could have by one wave of His hand, destroyed all the evil on earht in a heartbeat.

so why didnt He do it???

was He waiting fof us to do it??

i dont think so.

nonetheless, you will see as time goes on, if you are a christian, you will understand whose kingdom we are in.

i dont like playing road games all the time either.....but, until then......

just-the-facts said...
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just-the-facts said...

Oh look! News Report: "Fannie Mae Manipulated Accounting". Thats the under-statement of the century! Pleeeeeeese! Nothing like skimming the surface with that one! But at least they are starting to make the news...however so suttle.

WillToFight said...

SOP will not argue faith with you!

Everyone is not Christian! Everyone is Not Jew!

Everyone is not Muslim! Everyone is not many of the break denominations of the Christian faith!

I don't deny Zen. I do not deny the Ancient Kamitic System of Spiritualization. I do not deny Buddha! As a matter of fact there are many aspects of each that I can work with! Anyway!

If I am only to suffer as you put it then what's the use?

I think the answers are in us as Men/Women to correct the evils from Men/Women!

It is only through our actions that anything can be fulfilled!

Sounds to me that Yeshua would come back and say. What do you expect me to do if you didn't do anything to change/correct the evils that are occuring!

WillToFight said...

Just_The_facts said....

Oh look! News Report: "Fannie Mae Manipulated Accounting". Thats the under-statement of the century! Pleeeeeeese! Nothing like skimming the surface with that one! But at least they are starting to make the news...however so suttle.
_________________

I must agree, this is one of many understated events out there.

But really, what do you expect in the LAND OF NOD?

WillToFight said...

Just the Facts

what I mean about those the the Land of Nod i.e. Guys like Neodomens would rather condemn people here for questioning the possible wrong doing of the Banks/Fannie Mae/Mortage Co/Judicial system corruption.

So they don't join the people in ensure justice/honesty, they're blinded by a conflict of interest called GREED/Dog Eat Dog!

So Fannie Mae and the rest run off with the loot (quality of life) and make us all Millions of us slaves!

And the Slaves fight against they're own well being!

just-the-facts said...

I suspect this will be an escape-goat for the real fraud in the mortgage industry so they can manipulate a temporary fix to the Dorean thorn!

WillToFight said...

Fannie Mae walks away with 10.6 Billion with a 400 million fine!

That's like giving me the Key to the City of New York after I Shot the Mayor and the Governer! (metaphor)

WillToFight said...

Oil jumps above $72
Crude up over $2 on predictions of a strong hurricane season, views that inflation won't hamper demand.
May 23, 2006: 1:38 PM EDT

LONDON (Reuters) - Oil surged above $72 Tuesday as commodities rebounded from last week's sell off and the U.S. government predicted another rough Atlantic hurricane season.

U.S. crude for July delivery jumped $2.14 to $72.10 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

son of a prophet said...

"If I am only to suffer as you put it then what's the use?"




the use is that it is what a christians life is all about.

your 'use' as you call it, will come in the next kingdom.

how much good can you do in satans kingdom?

you are limited to as the bible says (if you are christian)

"....offer yourself as a living sacrifice... (as yeshua did)"


it doesnt get any clearer than that.


but, for those who do not understand this, they can try to bring in the millenial kingdom. but, i can tell you that it will fail.

nonetheless, you must find out for youself.

just wait 5 years and see if things are better or worse than they are now (and things arent very good now, so imagine 5 yrs form now)



as goes iraq, will spread thourout the world....


"...the mystery of lawlessnes (which is already throughout iraq) doth already at work...."


iraq is paying a heavy price for what they did to israel ages ago, king nebuchadnezzar and his minions....he could see the "handwdriting on the wall"


they are trying to rebuild iraq (babylon) when isiah 13 19-22 says that it will never be rebuilt....


god called it "the burden on babylon"

JEREMIAH 51 V. 49



"...AS BABYLON HAS CAUSED ALL THE SLAIN OF ISRAEL TO FALL, SO, AT BABYLON, SHALL FALL ALL THE SLAIN OF THE EARTH.."

message: DONT GO TO BABYLON

NO EXCEPTIOINS!!!

SOLDIERS INCLUDED!

ACCORDING TO JEREMAIH,

ALL WHO GO WILL MEET THEIR FATE THERE!!

WillToFight said...

I wonder how much the FED reserve note would fall when this happens?
___________________

The Plan to Replace the Dollar With the 'Amero'

Jerome R. Corsi / Human Events | May 23 2006

The idea to form the North American Union as a super-NAFTA knitting together Canada, the United States and Mexico into a super-regional political and economic entity was a key agreement resulting from the March 2005 meeting held at Baylor University in Waco, Tex., between President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin.

A joint statement published by the three presidents following their Baylor University summit announced the formation of an initial entity called, “The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” (SPP). The joint statement termed the SPP a “trilateral partnership” that was aimed at producing a North American security plan as well as providing free market movement of people, capital, and trade across the borders between the three NAFTA partners:

We will establish a common approach to security to protect North America from external threats, prevent and respond to threats within North America, and further streamline the secure and efficient movement of legitimate, low-risk traffic across our borders.

son of a prophet said...

"...AS BABYLON HAS CAUSED ALL THE SLAIN OF ISRAEL TO FALL, SO, AT BABYLON, SHALL FALL

****ALL****


THE SLAIN OF THE EARTH.."



and for those who blindly obey the govt. taht sends them there...


what part of the word ALL, dont our understand????


******ALL WILL BE SLAIN THERE******


but, MAYBE, just MAYBE, you can be one of those who can go there and not be slain....

maybe its really only 99.9999% of those who go that will be slain...

you can squeeze inside of that 0.000001% that get lucky and survive......

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP said



isiah 13 19-22 says that it will never be rebuilt....

I thought, according to you that the O.T. is irrelevant and is only for the weak minded and weak in spirit.
Sure seems to come in handy for you when you want to make a point. More "buffet" theology? Pick and choose what you want to believe when you want to believe it, very double minded

WillToFight said...

SOP said....

how much good can you do in satans kingdom?
__________
Personally SOP I don't give Satan (proper noun) that much credit!

_______________
SOP Said....

you are limited to as the bible says (if you are christian)
_______________

You are only limited by how much (you) YOU do!

Being v. Doing
_____________

SOP

just wait 5 years and see if things are better or worse than they are now (and things arent very good now, so imagine 5 yrs form now)

____________

I don't dispute that at all! I just know that the eyes of the people will open to change things if they would open they're eyes. Wake up!

What talent to God give Man?

I do not see where The Supreme would have to take care of us against the others that where created from itself!

We that where created from that which is Supreme must not excuse ("waiting on his return") ourselve of not understanding and doing what must be done to bring in a kingdom of Gods law which is balance!

So I just want to show the facts. But it is not a fact that it is only a Christian thing or only about Christian v Others!

The Christian faith as well as Muslim/Jew are very young faiths!

There where much older systems that where branched from by Christianity/Judaism etc!

But that is my opinion based on my studies!

Respect!

son of a prophet said...

"... thought, according to you that the O.T. is irrelevant and is only for the weak minded and weak in spirit.
Sure seems to come in handy for you when you want to make a point. More "buffet" theology? Pick and choose what you want to believe when you want to believe it, very double minded..."




------------------------------


no contradiction at all.

as far as the law goes, the NT supercedes the OT in that christians are no longer under the law. this is true. we are to keep the commandments, but the commandments are writtne on the christians heart. he doesnt need to see it in print. and there are no further sacrifices to be made, sabbath etc.

i do not pick and choose as far as being under the law goes and how t live like a christian. the OT cannot tell you how to do taht, only the NT can.


however, i never said that some OT prophecy will not be yet fulfilled. in fact, some of it will yet be regarding israel, babylon, etc.

against_the_odds said...

Okay, getting back on topic, Kurt, this is exceptional news. When can we expect the home coming?

mogel said...

SOP: Babylon refers to the "wicked". It also refers to Iraq, but more generally wherever the wicked dwell. That is why you don't want to go there, for "ye are suppose to be in the world, but not of the world.". All the wicked will be destroyed, no doubt. The NT says: "the meek shall inherit the earth". This earth will be changed back to it's glory before the Fall, a paradisiacal or terrestrial state. Before that happens all the wicked will be destroyed from off the face of the earth, a cleansing if you will. The earth is now in a telestial state & Satan truly reigns as evident of the wickedness abound, however, the earth is still God's since he created it. When the wicked are destroyed, which is 1/2 of the earth's people & 1/3 of the planet destroyed through war & pestilence, then, the millenium will be ushered into for a 1000 years of peace & Christ will reign here personally upon the earth & the earth will change back to it's terrestrial state as was the state BEFORE Adam & Eve fell & before they partook of the forbidden fruit in it's beautiful garden state. There will be 2 capitals in the world, during that time, one in the Midwest in Kansas City, Missouri & one capital in Jersualem. Christ will be recognized as the governmental & ecclesiastical leader of the Earth. Shortly after the end of the 1000 years, when the Final Battle against Satan is fought, the earth will be CHANGED AGAIN to become a celestial Heaven, thus the meek SHALL inherit the earth & this earth will be Christ's kingdom. Eventually this earth will be God's again & will be thrust back into the orbit where it came from next to Kolob which is next to the planet where God now dwells. (See Book of Abraham).

down but not out said...

Mogel said

"There will be 2 capitals in the world, during that time, one in the Midwest in Kansas City, Missouri & one capital in Jersualem."


Can you site the Scripture verse where this is referenced, just can't seem to find it

WillToFight said...

Mogel said...

SOP: Babylon refers to the "wicked". It also refers to Iraq, but more generally wherever the wicked dwell.
____________________

How can you ascribe a blanket statement like that about people?
Who said that? It was written somewhere, I think maybe Shakesphere?

But that does not make it true.

"Wicked" how do you know that?

Seems to me that Iraq/Iran and others where doing just fine until Britain and the US began to exploit they're natural resourses and send the masses of people into utter poverty.

Those are the facts!

Those in control have been playing the "Wag the Dog" game with humanity for centries.

These wicked that you talk about!

There are a small portion of individuals who believe that they must rule the rest of us at all cost. They manipulate information in a way that controls your thoughts and minds, i.e.

Babylon the great Whore! The great Pimp of the Whore appears to be a 1600 Pennsyvania St. or 5 Downing St. Guided ultimately by the WTO/Bilderberger etc. (epitomy of "wicked")

When the Whore doesn't deliver. Then the Pimp has to whoop up on the Whore.

One most wicked nation I observe is write here, the good old U.S.A.! I fault other country leaders for bending over and being scured by the Great Pimp of the World!

See everyone blames the Whore, but What about the Pimp that controls the Whore?

This country along with the other G7 countries are unquestionably wicked to the core.

These are men causing death/hunger/poverty/slavery and many other casualties about this earth.

God does not need to take anything "Back"!

The Supreme is All Supreme! All this destruction about the earth is allowed due to the free will of man!

Man must grow up! Man must grow up!

Man must grow up! Man must grow up!

Take his rightfull place a Polarity (balanced) of understanding that is inclusive rather than exclusive!

This Great Principle is Polarity:

Once the nomenal/phenomenal planes of existance came into being the effect was "Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding.

A few greedy Sociopathic children are running the key positions in each or almost every society about the earth!

The masses must awake to this juvinile delinquent attitude!

Peanut Gallery said...

Will,

I just want to see if you are consistant,

Were/are you upset about the illegal war that is being fought now?
No not Iraq, I 'm talking about Clintons war in Bosnia. Yes thats right your hero on the left went into Bosnia without the authorization of congress, or the "blessing" of the U.N. He did it by executive order.

Did that get your little shorts in a wad? Probably not.
BTW. Clinton said hat troops would be home in two years after he sent them, over 10 years aro.

Does the domestic spying bother you?
Did Eschelon cause you to call the previouse admin whores and thieves?
You know about Eschelon right? The Clinton administration authorization to actually listen in, thats right listen in, on our conversations. BTW it was not at a time of war either.

Here are just a few examples , I hope you are intellectually honest enough to say that you were just as upset by these instances.

son of a prophet said...

mogel,

i find your interpretaion an interesting take on babylon and kansas city....even tho i dont agree that is waht the bible says....still, an interesting take.....


babylon is a literal city and was destroyed and nver to be rebuilt.


as far as KC goes, i have never heard of that one before....

im sure that the ppl in kc wouldnt mind it....lol

son of a prophet said...

also, that is why the biggest emabassy in the world is being built right now in iraq...

coincidence??

not.

son of a prophet said...

gee, seems that i can hear a pin drop in this forum.....||||
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WillToFight said...

You must be a BUSH supporter. If so you've been duped to HIGH Heaven buy his ramblings of being a CHRISTIAN. If he is I would not want to be. I'd be embarrassed!


Peanut said...

No not Iraq, I 'm talking about Clintons war in Bosnia. Yes thats right your hero on the left went into Bosnia without the authorization of congress, or the "blessing" of the U.N. He did it by executive order.

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WTF

Let's Break this down "My Consistancy"

You have appeared to have already had a conversation with me about the above?

"No Not Iraq":

If you looked at earlier post, I've never mentioned one way or the other my political views. They're all criminals!

"Your Hero Clinton":

You assume something not said Peanut, or attempt to put words in my mouth.

I was taught not to trust government. I don't choose by party If you have read my post, I go by action what is the track record of the individual.

Sad thing is WE NEVER HAVE A GOOD CANDIDATE ON EITHER SIDE, accept for this continued direction toward one world slavery!

Wake up Peanut, it ain't about Red Neck/Liberal/Christian/baptist
/mormon/republican/black/white
/yellow/cowboy or indian/

It's about taking back individual soveriegnty if it ever was. At least the word is defined!

But you people like to get stuck in fighting against each other "my gods better than your god" all along loosing the battle! You just wait!

Look if you all want to argue politics you'd first better learn that boths sides are against your interest!

Who are you a Rothchild? Are you a J.P. Morgan descendant?

The Mountain of evidence is tall!

But Peanut, don't question my integrity/intellectual honesty with weak juvinile who did what BUSH/CLINTON weak BS.

THEY ARE ALL CROOKS

This is centuries in the making. It didn't start with Clinton!

WillToFight said...

Peanut Said...

No not Iraq, I 'm talking about Clintons war in Bosnia. Yes thats right your hero on the left went into Bosnia without the authorization of congress, or the "blessing" of the U.N. He did it by executive order.
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Get real!

Yes it matters and I will refrain from really going off you peanut!

Who cares about UN or congressional orders (he executive like Bush is),
a criminal act is a criminal act!

Those criminal acts of the magnitude you and I are speaking of should cause impeachment of everyone Clinton/Bush who cares?

I'm talking humanity on a larger scale Peanut!

I'm talking THOW SHALT NOT TRESPASS!

Now I know that's in the Bible. Now ponder that for a moment!

If you understand that.....Think about it!

Intellectual honesty/Consistancy B.S.!

son of a prophet said...

and antoher thing that alway has me roflmao,

"the network news just reported on the latest bin-laden tape from the 'al-qiada' website...."


al-quaida website!????????

i mean, c'mon!!

what? the pay for the site by credit card?


or, do the use the free one at godaddy.com??? lolololololo.........



and what about their IP??

oh, i forgot, al-quaida use ZONE-ALARM to hide they IP....HEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEE



i mean, the intell agencies have supercomputers that can find a 9 year old who propagates a virus in a basement in prague, czechosolovakia, but they cant find the apple cider website??

they cant DDOS the al-kiddo site.....


give me a break! lololololol....

WillToFight said...
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WillToFight said...

Look I gonna say this once!

I don't Care if your

Africian/Kamitic/European/EuroAmer/Mexican/
MexAmer/Indian/IdianAmer/Arabic/Christian/Jew/
Zen Buddist/Hindu/Baptist/Mormon/7th Day/Church of God In CHrist/ and on and on and on............................
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To infinity!

Wake up! There is a group out there that wants to enslave/murder/rape/take your freedom, and on and on and on and on...................
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It is probably not your next door neighbor. Those in control would like you to believe that it is you neighbor?

Divide and Conquer!

WillToFight said...

SOP Said...

al-quaida website!????????

i mean, c'mon!!

what? the pay for the site by credit card?


or, do the use the free one at godaddy.com??? lolololololo.........
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I'm tellin you. But really they expect us to believe it!

The American people are the last bastion of hope for the World!

It takes action! Wake up!

Al-cia-da!?!?!

It's all about the police state setup! The world police state(globe)

WillToFight said...

Belarusian President Lukashenko Forecasts Collapse of Global Economy

Mos News | May 24 2006

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles
/may2006/240506_b_Economy.htm

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko forecasted on Tuesday the downfall of the global economy. “If the prices of energy sources continue to grow on global markets, this may lead to the collapse of global economy,” Lukashenko said in his annual address to the Belarusian parliament.

He went on to say that the world is very unstable at the moment.

“Situation in the world is even more unstable that it used to be five-ten years ago,” Lukashenko said, quoted by RIA Novosti.

WillToFight said...

THis is not a Liberal Message! This is not a Republican Message! This is not a Christian Message! This is not a Jewish Message! This is not a Democratic Message!

This is a Human Protection Message to save this society!
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Secret FEMA Plan To Use Pastors as Pacifiers in Preparation For Martial Law
Nationwide initiative trains volunteers to teach congregations to "obey the government" during seizure of guns, property, forced inoculations and forced relocation

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
articles/may2006/240506femaplan.htm

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | May 24 2006

A Pastor has come forward to blow the whistle on a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.

In March of this year the Pastor, who we shall refer to as Pastor Revere, was invited to attend a meeting of his local FEMA chapter which circulated around preparedness for a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

mogel said...

Will to Fight: The "old Babylon" was located in the country of Iraq anciently. That's why I said what I said. Anciently it was a wicked City. Don't know much about the whore & the pimp, but I would think they both need to get a real life with a real job.

mogel said...

Will to Fight said: "Wicked" how do you know that?

"By their fruits ye shall know them." Wicked ideas, wicked people, are not limited to just one country.

Your analysis that the powers that be are manipulating the U.S. in Washington DC is true, but they're influence is in all countries. Satan has used the governments of the earth to achieve his purposes through force. He has ALWAYS been against free choice & IDEAS THAT INVOKE FREEDOM. I don't disagree with the general things you are saying.

mogel said...

As far as the OT goes & the NT goes, put simply, the OT was a "schoolmaster to bring people to Christ". Both are the word of God, both being inspired by the same person. The God of the OT was also the God of the NT (The Lord, our Saviour). There are no contradictions between the two in Spirit, but the OT contains "the higher law". IN the OT, The Book of Isaiah, & Jeremiah, were prophets that spoke about our day, so these books are very relevant to us living now. The NT is very relevant for any age of enlightenment if the people are ready for it's laws. Moses actually received the "Higher law" from Jesus on the Mount, however, because the people were worshipping idols & doing all manner of wickedness,when he came down from the mountain, he did not give that law to them at the time, but Moses did receive it, but the people weren't ready for it.

mogel said...

Down But Not Out: As far as Kansas City, MO being the center place for the "New Zion", this is written in the Doctrine & Covenants, which is considered "modern scripture" by those that accept Joseph Smith, as a modern day prophet. I never said it was from the Bible. Not sure where it says in the Bible where Jerusalem will be the Capital in the East, but this is just what I remember from religion classes I took in the past. Actually, the "New Jerusalem" is technically Independence, Missouri, which is on the outskirts of Kansas City, MO, but who has ever heard of Independence Missouri? I understand at some time in the future they'll be about 28 Temples built there, not just one temple. Not many know this, but The Mormon Church has been very busy buying up real estate in that area. There should be a massive migration in that area in the future. Geographically speaking, Kansas City, is about a near center point in the U.S. Mormons believe that the Garden of Eden existed in that area or region anciently.

Adam On Di'Oman is a place in that region of the Country where it has been prophesied, I want to say in the Book of Daniel, that all of the great patriarchs & prophets in all ages of the world and time will come to this earth as resurrected beings & meet for a conference there with thousands of faithful Saints to prepare certain things, just prior to the 2nd coming of the Lord.

Remember, anciently the Earth was one land mass & one sea. In the days of Peleg, the earth was divided as we now know it. In Adams day, South America & Africa were joined together, along with other land masses. Most people believe that the Garden of Eden was in the East, but in Adam's day, there was only one land mass, there wasn't the West & the East as we have today.

Have you ever looked at Australia? Doesn't it look very similiar to the U.S. in land mass, but it looks like the US up side down. Turn it over, & it looks like the U.S. in shape. Not saying there's a correlation, just something many have observed.

The Bible says that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the Book of Mormon says that Jesus was born in Jerusalem, Jerusalem being not very far from Bethlehem, but both are very close to each other. So when I said, Kansas City, it's actually Indepependence, Missouri. Notice, the word, "indpendence". Must have symbolic meaning too.

"Mormons" aren't limited just to scripture from the Bible. We believe anything that is spoken by the power of the Holy Ghost, becomes scripture, becomes the mind of God, & becomes the will of God & becomes the power of God unto salvation. We believe that "the glory of God is intelligence", and that a man is not saved any faster than he gains this intelligence, so education is important. Not meaning to take away from the sacredness or power of the atonement either in light of these comments.

WillToFight said...

Mogel Said....

Your analysis that the powers that be are manipulating the U.S. in Washington DC is true, but they're influence is in all countries. Satan has used the governments of the earth to achieve his purposes through force. He has ALWAYS been against free choice & IDEAS THAT INVOKE FREEDOM. I don't disagree with the general things you are saying.
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I believe we are in agreement overall. However, you'll attempt to exempt everyother spiritual system for the sake of Christianity/Muslim/Jew.

I don't know all the evils and wickedness that came out of the middle east i.e. Iraq/Babylon. I do know that many of the mathmatics and sciences and other important things that have lent to many cultures about the earth have come from there!

I say there are many/many that have systems that are much older wiser than the above three now "Great" Religions.

Religion tends to be too dogmatic and exclusive!

Now study the Spiritual Traditions of Ancient China Kamit and others. You will find the maturity levels much greater and those system seem to have a much better understanding about God and the universe and Mans' role in it!

The duality of Mans' nature is Good/Evil and can not be separated! "Individual" "Undivided+dual" Those two aspects of mans nature are a must for his spiritual growth! The choices we make from right and wrong decide evil or good!

You give Satan too much credit! The meaning to me that Satan is the Lord of the Earth, only means that Man as the steward has the ability to go one way or another, after separating the concept of "Good v. Evil"!

I listen to a Mans words but moreover his actions.