Saturday, May 06, 2006

Hosanna – Cruxify (4/19/06)

Hosanna was a word of adoration that meant save us. It objectified the person spoken of as a hope, a deliverer. These shouts came just a week before the same mouths proclaimed cruxify. I remember while touring how many of you gave me glowing words of an objected deliverer. This is not a messiah message for you people who don’t understand parallel examples. You perceived Dorean as a deliverer and rightfully so, but because you did not understand the path of victory and it appeared government prevailed you soon were yelling cruxify. You knew the government was evil and corrupt which is why you joyously sought and embraced a deliverer. Don’t you feel like chaff the wind picks up a takes in any direction? Are your words of adoration as cheap as your words of vicious insult? 120 people made it to the promised comfort 50 days later out of the city alive with hosannas. History does repeat itself. Governments control weak minded people and men of courage and faith who make the stand do it for very few individuals. Those 120 changed the world. I have a relationship with Christ today because they were tenacious for truth. 2000 years of influence and those chaff-people are blown away by history. I’ll admit this battle looks as overwhelmingly scary as the foundation battle of the Christian faith but now is the time to make the wise choice. When the decisive moment comes it will only find those who chose rightly. God helps in these moments when obvious is not perhaps obvious.


you will know them by their fruit said...

I don't think people have a problem with parallel examples Kurt. They just can see through the sham of you comparing your situation to that of Christ on the cross. Most people would be shamed by trying to do what you are doing, but you are not interested in hearing His voice or His purpose. You are only intersted in tayloring a god that fits your worldly desires.

No! The Dorean story is not "the foundation of Chritian faith".

I am sorry God's ultimate sacrifice, the giving of His only son for the salvation of the world, has been perverted in your quest for money.

Usually your posts are pathetic but this one is extra special.

Matthew Ch 6

19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

neodemes said...

"This is not a messiah message for you people who don’t understand parallel examples."

Ah, but it is inteneded as exactly that.

You continue to glorify yourself as a
modern day Savior.

Jesus Christ, you are NOT.

For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son...

The cause was much greater than bank fraud or mortgage elimination.

Stop trying to cloud Christianity the way you cloud title.

neodemes said... beat me to it, Fruit.

Prepare for the snarling of the faithful few...

Yetter said...

"professing themselves wise they became as fools"

neodemes said...

In context:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Wow! Amen! And to think yetter lead the way.

Heaping coals.

God's word is great!

WillToFight said...

I am not anylonger considered Christian, but I know that the faith I accept is on that Christianity grew out from, so I am not far!

FRUIT why should we be ashamed of asking a question of those that hold power?

Just answer that one you might find yourself "someplace else"!?!?!? I don't have a lot of faith in you!

They shout with not a shredd of evidence and immediatly you throw stones. Do you even know about this process other than the blog?

I done with you. You deserve no further recognition!


And God created the Sun! In the system of things as a natural mechenism to cause the earth to become liveable. For organism to thrive.

Nothing happens without the Sun in the Heavens. The moon also plays an important role at the will of God.

Isn't it interesting that the Sun? would be called the Son?

The Wind the Rain all components to sustain life. The Vegitation the Oceans. The lakes and the ponds could not be sustained without the Sun/Son, rising and falling each and every day.

If the Sun blinked for a moment, there would be World Wide catastrophy as never witness. All the witnesses would be dead. No matter weather you believe in God or not!

Truth without Works is Dead!

What's up Yetter?

WillToFight said...

Maybe it never was the Truth. Right Neodonemes/Fruit, most likely the same person. They always respond at the same time?

So much for those, they must be elitist or wanttobees or just love authority no matter how oppressive authority can be. They like this sythetic living! Nothing or noone is safe from them attempting to tell others how or what they should think!

Kurt you need not respond to these, they are beyond courage and help. Let them burn out right here is this place!

Neodomenes/FRUIT, look, I am going to fight. I am not afraid! You take your crap and eat it! Many are not fased by what you both sell.

Your both twisted, waiting on every word Kurt says to respond to just one word. Not the whole of what he says only what you feel you can exploit and twist.

Enough already!

WillToFight said...

Yetter was talking about you


Like I said. Lead in the Head is FRUIT!

prov1022 said...

Fruit, Neodemes seem foolish in your Bible proof text judgments. Have you considered all the facts? With what “judgment you judge you shall also be judged.”

Is Kurt the fiduciary of my house which is in the trust? If he is, it appears he is doing the right thing because the banks are not taking responsibility for all the unanswered questions about my house by being non-responsive. Is that honesty on the part of the banks? I think not. What other choices does he have with the banks that have not answered the questions and letters to them regarding my home? Is seems to me he is just doing his job not a modern day Messiah. “The kingdom of God comes without observation.” You guys wouldn’t be modern day Pharisees would you?

sd said...

Seems like I heard the following somewhere: Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

There seems to be an awful lot of stone casting on here lately. Must be a bunch of people that are sinless?

Why not take the word as it is and not try to twist it to your own devise?

Who in their right mind can not see that the banks are frauds?

Kurt's methods may have been questionable but his fight has been and continues to be one against the banks, therefore I stand with him in that battle.

As for his relationship with the Almighty, Let it be his relationship and quit trying to twist it into what you think right.

Can't you disagree with specific actions he may have taken without trying to personally condemn him because the Just-Us system has marked him as a trouble maker. His being in jail does not make him guilty of anything. For that matter, conviction will not do that either. From my perspective shuting Dorean down has strengthens the arguement that his fight was and is valid.

The Bank fraud is much clearer than any action by Dorean yet I have yet to see any banker's indicted. I wonder why?

If anyone cares to talk about lies or false advertising, If you first assist me in getting by the lack of full disclosure by the banks then I'll be glad to discuss Kurt's shortcommings.

I know the old addage: If if's and but's were candy and nuts then we'd all have a merry Christmas.
but I must say that "IF" the banks had been forthcomming and open with their actions Kurt would not be in jail and no one here would have a problem with any of his actions. That is unless you have/had a vested interest in the banks.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Please willie and alike--keep on posting.

You will know them by their fruit.

Israel said...

Greetings from Iesus the Christ and Myself!!!

The will and testament of Iesus the Christ is the supreme law of the land. You a liuing heir! By Law. You all are on the right track, just make the advancements and perfections of the work. Reuelation. XIIII. 12.
God be with you, in your endeavors!



habakkuk said...

Neo said...

"You continue to glorify yourself as a
modern day Savior."

What the hell are u reading neo...where did kurt ever say he was the Savior? You guys are idiots who cant read.

you will know them by their fruit said...

Hab, that is all you could come up with!?

Yeah, . . . I don't blame ya.

Its getting harder and harder to defend Kurt's cultish ramblings.

Good luck twisting.

mogel said...

Fruit: Kurt is not comparing the Dorean Process with Christ's atonement. His words: "This is not a messiah message for you people who don’t understand parallel examples." Obviously you purposely missed that statement due to your own selfish motivations, or you don't know how to read. Either way, why should anyone listen to you? You have nothing risked in this process, so how are you someone to listen to?

Sure the Dorean Process acts as a deliverer out of a persons wrongful debt that the lender has put us in. So what? That is something good. The process in no way blasphemes the atonement as you suggest.

The process is a challenge to the banks, pure & simple. How is a challenge something that should be shameful to most? Please be specific. Again, I expect you NOT to answer specific questions AS USUAL because by doing so, you show your own idiocy.

On the contrary, Kurt is interested in hearing His voice & uses His words often in his life as a guide & a standard for discussion. That is something good again.

Fruit said: "You are only interested in tayloring a god that fits your wordly desires."

How is it worldly to act as a trustee to act to the best interest of the Dorean clients? When a settlement is made, you will see that it won't be something selfish, but a benefit to ALL clients. Fruit, you keep insinuating Dorean is only about the money. It is about setting clients free of the yoke of their debts that were wrongfully placed upon them. It's about justice, one of the attributes of Deity. If you lived in Christ's day, you would be chastised by Christ along with the Pharisees & Saducees by your own piety & due to your desire to "ignore the weightier aspects of justice, truth, and rightful judgment." By condemning the process, & its leaders, you are ignoring the biggest fraud & biggest problem of all. Can we all assume you believe in slavery? In essence you are condoning what the banks do, which is the "weighier issue" which is legalized financial slavery or peonage as it's called. God is against peonage, pure & simple. However, you are for it, so the conclusion is that you are against God & you are fashioning a god unto yourself by your stupid words & your ignorant position.

Like the people He condemned, you also fall under the same condemnation. I sure wouldn't want to be you.

Where you got this statement is beyond me because it was not said by Kurt: "Dorean story is the foundation of Christian faith."
I would have to agree that Christianity is something different, but it's OK to draw a parallel. Fruit stop making things up as you go. Maybe it's your "itching ears perverting things into fallacies", you know that scripture you quoted a hundred times. When you pervert what people say, you are bearing false witness. Why must you pervert what people say? Is this a reflection of your basic evil nature or are you just stupid?

Kurt is about truth & you must stand up for the truth just as the early Christians had to do. You missed that point obviously.

Your conclusion that's God's sacrifice has perverted Kurt's quest for money is also another conclusion that you have drawn based upon nothing said in Kurt's post.

The only pathetic post is yours where you draw conclusions based upon no true assumptions. Your latest post is extra pathetic because it is totally baseless.

We are all acquainted with Mathew Chapt. 6, however, it doesn't apply to Kurt's latest post, so why cite this scripture? You certainly don't understand his motives. YOu can't even understand his words, & you only see what you want to see, so you are the last person to Judge anyone.

Again your posts are completely irrelevant & don't follow the theme of what is being said.

Find another cause, please..... Haven't you shamed yourself enough? Most people would "be shamed in doings what you are doing". Please stop & go away & sin more more.

mogel said...

Neodemesne: I know Robert Allen, and I know you. Bruce, you are no real estate guru despite the pretenses of your website. Stop pretending to peddle ideas you know nothing about or have no real experience with, when it comes to real estate. Stop criticing the experts in any field, when you're not an expert of anything except bankruptcy. And to think you once told me to get a real job & that I should learn a trade. Why should I take financial or vocational advise from someone that filed bankruptcy? What is your trade? Criticizing those that have courage & real knowledge & those that actually take a risk or accomplish something worthwhile?

mogel said...

Fruit said: "They just can see through the sham of you comparing your situation to that of Christ on the cross."

Where in the world did this idea come from?

May I remind you that throughout history MANY PEOPLE have been crucified UPON CROSSES. What really is your point?

prov1022 said...

Thanks Mogel well said.. I like the scripture about the weightier matters of the law...Justice, first one mentioned in the list of mercy, faith and tithing. . Many give little attention to it, and yet it is mentioned over 500 times in the Bible. I believe more than any other subject. Does not this issue have to do with Justice? I believe so. Will not the Judge of all the earth do right.

mogel said...

Nemo quoted this scripture in response to Kurt's latest post:

Rom 1:24 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves"

Bruce, what insinuation are you making here? If your making a point I think you're making, you truly ought to be ashamed. Now all Doreanites are homosexuals too? This is a new low for even you Bruce, you ought to be ashamed!!!! Even the Devil can quote scripture, but he quotes scripture for his own evil purposes. I only see evil in your purpose here.

you will know them by their fruit said...


Nice try Mogel.

It isn't easy protecting lies when the truth is a foot. I am happy to say your abilty to twist and mislead has been thwarted. If they buy your baloni (and Kurt's) it is because your words tickle their ears. They don't like it because it is truth but because it is what they want to hear.

I'll take my chances trusting the Lord as He is, rather that you shaping the Lord as you want Him. Let me know how that works out for ya.

As long as you guys bring God into your scam I'll be here.

WillToFight said...


Is seems to me he is just doing his job not a modern day Messiah. “The kingdom of God comes without observation.” You guys wouldn’t be modern day Pharisees would you?

Good Points Prov1022!

Their lacky quackery with no courage!

WillToFight said...

SD said....

I know the old addage: If if's and but's were candy and nuts then we'd all have a merry Christmas.
but I must say that "IF" the banks had been forthcomming and open with their actions Kurt would not be in jail and no one here would have a problem with any of his actions. That is unless you have/had a vested interest in the banks.


Hey welcome back SD

Excellent points! It seems FRUIT and Neodomenes and the like would rather shuts us up for asking question while supporting the banks non-disclosure which are violations.

These naysayers are asking for Fascism!

WillToFight said...

Tell them like it is MOGEL, PROV1022, SD!

They can not stand up to plan in your face fact!

WillToFight said...

I think FRUIT is a throwback from the European Dark ages!

neodemes said...

Moogie, try to pay attention if you can afford it.

Romans was posted in response to Yetter's verse.

In regard to your dribble about knowing Robert Allen and myself, you know neither.

You criticize me for filing bankruptcy, but make no mention of Allen's bankruptcy.

You sat I twist things, when you are the Master of spin and a Dorean Broker with a vested interest in perpetuating the lie.

Show you really support the good fight, Byron.

Turn yourself in and become a true defender and co-defendant.

In the meantime, rave on.

mogel said...

Here's a good example of the lying banks. I called a few days ago to make a monthly mortgage payment over the phone. The receptionist said there would be a $12.00 charge to pay for the privilege of paying over the phone. Then he proceeded to immediately ask me, "how come I was late?" I immediately told him it was none of his business & that was privileged information, however, I would release the information for $12.00. Are you still interested in knowing? He of course didn't answer me, a typical response of the banks. However, the bank will send emails to me demanding payment & give me help offers, saying help is only a call away, but when I offer payment & ask for help, they make it difficult for me. Go figure.

I said, well, I'll just make a payment over your internet site without your noncooperation as usual. He retorted, "you can't do that either, the internet site won't accept your payment either due to your late condition." What a stupid policy of the bank I thought.

So ignoring his response, I went to the internet site, made the payment with no problem & wasn't charged $12.00. I also have a confirmation number of my payment. I'll follow up with a written letter of the payment being made under protest saying I expect this overpayment to be returned upon settlemnt of this account.

Lenders tack on late fees, privilege fees to pay over the phone, & then to top it off with, lie on the date when they receive the payments too.

Normally I send a green post office "delivery confirmation request" & keep a receipt from the post office, so I can see when the lender logs my payment for credit as compared to what the post office says the deliver date payment was received. All I do is log unto to: & punch in the confirmation number on the post office receipt & the date & time the payment was received at the lender's office is right there as evidence that I print out. It's never the same date between the post office records and the bank records.

If the lenders screw most everyone the same way, it adds up to big bucks in extra interest. Most people are just unaware of what the banks are doing. They think they can rely on the banks accounting. I'm keeping a history log. My lender can eventually explain all of the discrepancies to the OTS (Office of Thrift Supervision) Department when I finalize a detailed complaint. This is all just more insurance & evidence against my lender.

mogel said...

Nemo: By the way, Robert Allen bounced back after his bankruptcy & gained his former net worth & more. Have you done that? Also Robert Allen did many times what he said was possible like taking on challenges to buy properties in hard markets like San Francisco to buy with nothing down. He's proven himself everytime to challenges by the press. Can you say that? Have you bought a property by "adverse possession". I think not.

I would say I know both of you. Your OWN WORES betray your professed beliefs.

So YOU THINK it's that simple? I turn myself in (even though not wanted) & I immediately become a Defendant? I think even you know, it doesn't work that way. My actions DON'T determine what the Prosecutor wants, oh genius one.

If I was wanted, there would have been an APB (All points bulletin) on me when I got pulled over for a traffic violation, (not signaling changing lanes), a month ago, genius. Why do you think they demand to see your license? They obviously do a search on your record, genius!

I of course, defaulted the City prosecutor on those traffic charges in the Court record before any set trial, through my complaint & affidavit of truth, & then when my complaint went untimely unanswered by the City Attorney whom I served with my complaint, I filed a motion to dismiss & filed a writ of mandamus & order of praceipe for the Judge to order the County Clerk to file a judgment in my favor which is the ministerial duty of the Judge to do with no evidence to the contrary. An unrebutted affidavit of truth stands as evidence & the Judge is obligated to follow. Come to think of it, the Dorean Process, is very similiar.

I haven't heard anything from the Court since then. I can only assume the fines they wanted me to pay was dismissed & the Judge will do the right thing.

neodemes said...

Yeah, you are just above the law, aren't you, Byron.

Your posts didn't used to be so demeaning.

Must be the pressure.

I forgive you.

neodemes said...


You don't "buy" a property through Adverse Possession.

You can learn more at:

Adverse Possession for Real Estate Investors

mogel said...

Nemo: Ok, good point. Let me rephrase my statement in a better & more accurate fashion since you sometimes pay good attention to details: "Have you OBTAINED a property YOURSELF through adverse possession? You promote it like it's the golden egg from the goose, but you haven't done it yourself yet? This is all part of your hypocrisy.

You're right. Initially my posts weren't demeaning towards you since I treat everyone the same in the beginning. But after being attacked by you & being stalked by you, many times for no just cause, I guess I just got cold from KNOWING YOU. I know enough about you, I don't want to learn anymore. Kind of like a conditioned response. No need to forgive me since I'm not asking for it, as you would say. If you kick an animal enough times, don't be surprised if he bites. After all, it was your behaviour that made him that way. Go figure.

mogel said...

Nemo: I don't think you can forgive others until you forgive yourself. You haven't changed at all, & hence have not forgiven yourself of your past actions. You haven't changed at all, depite all of the scriptures you quote to be more gentle & forgiving. You & your kind are truly modern day Saducees & Pharisees. I trust what you say about as far as I can throw you out of my sight.

I have no real pressure at all, so if your forgiveness is based upon that, it is misguided. I haven't been foreclosed upon, I haven't had criminal charges lodged against me, nor have I had financial & family pressures that some have experienced due to the process. As I pointed out earlier, I am quite fortunate to date, or as you would say, "an insignificant fish" depending on how you look at it. I have not received the pressure that some have received. To those that have had a tough road to hoe, I take my hat off in respect to you, and tell you that things will get much better. Since you find me not a "true" defender of the faith," I would appreciate that you would respond accordingly & ignore what I say if you your words are truly congruent with what you say. Course, you are unable to do that as much as you are unable to see that you are on the wrong side. I could say, "I forgive you for you know not what you do," however, I think you know what you are doing & you do it anyway regardless of the consequences or feelings of others.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Yeah, you are just above the law, aren't you, Byron."

P.S. No I'm not above the law, I just used the law, to stay one step ahead of the silly games that criminal court, I mean, traffic court plays.

neodemes said...

No, I haven't obtained any property through adverse possession.

That makes me a hypocrite, for discussing one of many REI techniques?

You need to look up hypocrite.

After all, you haven't received free and clear title to a house through the Dorean process or that other mortgage elimination program you were selling, yet you were an active broker.

So, does that make you a hypocrite by your own definition?

I haven't forgiven myself? LOL. What did I ever to to me?

mogel said...

Nemo: What you fail to see is that I'm using YOUR own standards of judgments AGAINST you that YOU ESTABLISHED long ago in your conversations & I constantly do a reminder of your standards, regardless of whether you realize I'm doing this or not.

"With what judgment ye judge, ye shall also be judged." That is God's standard which is just. Those that judge harshly, will receive harsh judgments. Those that give mercy, will have mercy returned to them.

My standards of judgment are not your standards of judgment & you fail to see that also.

Yes, a person is a hypocrite when he uses one standard, & then a different standard in a different situation which is really the same situation, to suit his selfish purposes or to protect his ego or other evil reason. You have constantly criticized the process & it's leaders because you believe that they have sold a process with zero success. Aren't you selling adverse possession & YOU have no success yourself? How are you even one iota better? Logically then, you are everything you have accused the Dorean people of being only because you set the standard yourself as a fair standard. Shouldn't YOU test the standard first before you market it as a way to obtain real estate? Shouldn't YOU be successful yourself first before you pretend to be a teacher & leader or promoter?

The issue of "clear title", is also something that we both judge differently & esteem differently as to the value of it.

I posted today also that "Freedom Club" on their website, has NOW claimed to have actually sold some administrative judgments overseas & shortly monies will be delivered to clients soon.

If this is true, & I don't know why they would post this if it wasn't, since it would be too difficult to explain this away, then, the implications are real interesting if this has really happened, even though I believe it.

It means that the administrative process has an end result of success. If Freedom Club can be successful, so can Dorean. Course, your trusted cronies on your website, said this WOULD NEVER HAPPEN & THAT THERE ARE NO INTERESTED BUYERS OUT THERE BECAUSE THE PAPER IS BOLONEY & THAT THE JUDGMENTS ARE FICITIOUS & NOT SIGNED BY A JUDGE, THEREFORE HAVE NO VALUE. If the naysayers are wrong on this point, then, they could be wrong on all if not most of their objections to the process.