Fruit its time for me to get right with God. Many people are hurting so I need your help. It is apparent to me that your wisdom exceeds all others so please answer these questions for me that I might find my way from evil.
1. Is it the faith of Christ or my faith in Christ that saves?
2. How do I spot a false prophet?
3. Will serving Christ guarantee me respect in this life?
4. What convincing evidence is there that Christ is the Son of God?
5. Is Scott evil on his own or a byproduct of mine?
6. Do I have to obey the law of God or Christ?
7. Was I mistaken to see bankers as crooks because of the log in my own eye?
8. Was the Song of Kurt an addition to the Bible like Chris Taylor expressed, incompatible, or self-righteous?
Please post your answers here and I will tell you how you were used of God in a couple of weeks. Thanks for all your help in advance; I’m certain many on this blog would also benefit from your wisdom. May the Christ you serve richly bless this endeavor to His glory.
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Fruit,
You did not answer Kurts questions. How do you know that Kurt and Scott are not denying themselfs to follow the Lord? What don't we understand?
Fruit,
For question #2, you might suggest a mirror.
LOL
Kurt said, "Was I mistaken to see bankers as crooks"
Fruit is that a crime in a general sense. Seems to me Jesus thought them same of the money changers. What part of “changers” don’t you understand about fraud, and deceit.
Crooks are everywhere. Your crooked approach to remedy the crooks in banking is clearly not of Christ.
I personally have not seen anything that is crooked in there approach. I have only seen fraud from the banks by not answering honest questions.
When Jesus confronted Zacheus (a tax collector that was crooked) how did He handle it?
He invited him to dinner at his house.
Did you use fraud?
I don’t see it. Apparently you do
Did He make promises He couldn't keep?
Yes he did. So.. Haven't you done the same. I don’t believe his was intentional under the circumstances of jail, disruption of the business.
Did He get money?
Yes. So what .. Don’t you get money for what you do.
Did He send the money to Latvia?
Who cares where he put it
Did He curse family members who opposed Him?
I don’t know. Didn’t Jesus say who is my mother, brother, sisters?
Did He lie? I don’t believe so? Apparently you do
Did He file false documents?
I haven’t seen any “false documents” filed on my behalf.
Did He curse? Maybe. So did Peter
The list goes on and on. What list???
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be cursed. That’s as simple as Paul and I can be.
IMBIGO "ALL I'VE EVER SEEN THESE TWO DO WAS ASK FOR TOTAL DISCLOSER, EVERY THING HAS BEEN DONE IN OPEN!!! NOTHING SECRET!"
That’s all I see them do without knowing them personally. I have heard Kurts voice on the phone and I have a friend who knows Kurt on a business level and spiritual level. He is convinced of their sincerity and their commitment to the Lord. This is what I hear in Kurts posts and voice.
Fruit, Happy to be of service...
I understand what you are dealing with based on the words you have copied from Kurt. The statements I see above the Private message as taken out of context. Perhaps Kurt says it all in his private message when he says "You pray to your “Jesus” for this prophecy to be false and I’ll pray to mine for it to be true." Some fruits take time to ripen. The season for fruit ripening, and tasting is upon us.
mog,
we agree that the HS trumpt the written word as the written word can be corrupted.
we disagree on whether polygamy is allowed; remember, the HS (taht little voice in your head) just says that there is something wdrong about haveing more thatn one wife. you can just sense it.
this is a problem that i have with those who do not stick soley to the NT when trying to make a point; they use the OT when it suits them and the NT when it suits them.
IF i did that, i coould live one jolly old life; as takeing the best of both would do just fine.
mulitple wives when it suits me; allowing to kill when it suits me (as david and moses did) and just about anythkng when it suits me; and then going to the new testament whent it served my purpose (yeshua turning over the tabvles, and cursing the moneymen/bankster)
mog,
a lot of fourms i go in all do this; use both old and new to make thier point, but you just cant have it both ways.
and does the HS give 'apparetnly' different wisdom on the same issue to different ppl.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT; YES, HE DOES.
THE HS ONLY GIVES US WHAT IS GOOD FOR US TO KNOW AT A GIVEN POINT IN TIME. SO FOR EACH OF US, WHAT IS GOOD FOR US TO KNOW WILL BE DIFFERENT AT A GIVEN POINT IN TIME AS WE ARE WORHTY TO RECEIVE.
FOR EXAMPLE, 'THOU SHALLT NOT KILL' IS ONE.
THERRE ARE THOSE WHO SAY IT MEANS THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, BUT OK FOR MILITARY TO KILL. THEY ARE WRONG!
BUT HOW MANY THINK THIS? THOUSANDDS AND PERHAPS MILLIONS.
THEY COMPLETYELY FAIL TO LOOK AT YESHUAS LIFE AND SEE THAT HE WULD NOT KILL. SO WHY HASNT THE HS GIVEN THEM THIS INTREPRETAIN???
THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT WORTHY TO RECEIVE IT YET, OR THEY WULD KNOW THAT THE HS DOES NOT ADVOCATE KILLING FOR ANY REASON.
RMEMBER, WHOSE KINGDOM THIS IS?
TO KILL IS TO HOLD ON TO SOMETHING IN SATANS KINGDOM, AND YESHUA WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS.
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re; the banking licesne, yes we will see, but it seems like a good place to park some money or even a moderate amount of meony.
i am looking sereoulsy at the galleion fx. seems good and they are trying to bring down the inintal investment from 25K
imbigo said...
SOP I have a question!!!!
HAVE YOU EVER MET KURT OR SCOTT?
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imbigo said...
The reason I ask is that its somewhat hard to judge some one you never met!!! and its also hard to make a judgement on a system witch you have no knowledge!!!
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No, i have never met them, BUT, WHERE IN THIS BLOG HAVE I EVER JUDGED THEM IN ANY WAY. IN FACT I HAVE SAID NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEM THE FEW TIMES THAT THEY WERE MENTIONED IN MY POSTS.
where did you get the idea from that i judged them??
seeing a multiple question test in front of me is like waving a RED FLAG IN FRONT OF A BULL!
i just cannot resist....
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1. Is it the faith of Christ or my faith in Christ that saves?
IT IS THE FAITH OF CHRIST IN YOU THAT SAVES.
2. How do I spot a false prophet?
THERE ARE MANY WAYS, WHAT HE SAYS, HOW HE ACT, WHAT HE DOES....BUT, ULTIMATELY, THE HS IS THE ONLY SURE WAY TO KNOW; THE HS WILL TELL YOU THAT ONE IS A FALSE PROPHET. AND EVEN THIS IS ONLY IF YOU ARE WORTHY AND ITS GOOD FOR YOU TO KNOW. GOD EVEN USES SOME OF THE FALSE TV PROPHEETS FOR A PURPOSE TOO. ALSO, THERE ARE NO WOMEN PROPHETS, THESE WOULD BE A PROPHETESS, JEZEBEL COMES TO MIND.
3. Will serving Christ guarantee me respect in this life?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! IN FACT, IN MOST PARTS IT WILL GIVE YOU LESS WORLDLY RESPECT.
REMEMBER, YESHUA SAID...'WHEN THEY HATE YOU, REMEMBER, THEY HATED ME FIRST...'
4. What convincing evidence is there that Christ is the Son of God?
TECHNICALLY, THERE IS NONE. ANYTHING CAN BE FABRICATED, OBJEXTS OR THE PRINTED WORD ETC.
ULTIMATELY, THE HS IS THE EVIDENCE FOR US TODAY. IN YESHUAS TIME, THERE WAS EVIDENCE; RAISING THE DEAD, HEALING THE SICK, 500 SAW HIM AFTER THE RESURRECTION, ETC.
TODAY, WE JUST HAVE THE HS INSIDE US THAT TELLS US THAT HE WAS THE SON OF GOD.
5. Is Scott evil on his own or a byproduct of mine?
NOT SURE WHAT IS MEANT BY THIS. AND ANYWAY IT WOULD REQUIRE ME TO JUDGE, WHICH I CANNOT DO.
6. Do I have to obey the law of God or Christ?
GOD AND YESHUA ARE THE SAME, BUT IF ONE MEANS GOD FROM THE OT, THEN THE ANSWER IS YESHUA FROM THE NT.
7. Was I mistaken to see bankers as crooks because of the log in my own eye?
AGAIN, THIS REQUIRES MAKING A JUDGEMENT. ONLY THE WRITER CAN DO THIS ON HIMSELF. IN ANY CASE, NONE OF US IS PERFECT, SO WHAT WE SEE IS A PRODUCT OF SOME BLINDNESS TAHT ALL OF US HAVE IN SOME FORM OR ANTOHER. NOT EXCUSING THE BANKERS HERE.
IF I AM HONEST, AND COULD HAVE OPENED A BANK AND MAKE MONEY BY THE BUSHEL, WOULD I HAVE???
OF COURSE I WOULD HAVE. WOULD I STILL DO IT TODAY? I HONESTLY DONT KNOW. SO I CANNOT JUDGE EVEN THE BANKERS, EVEN THO I KNOW THAT THEY ARE CORRUPT. MONEY IS A POWERFUL CORRUPTER OF MEN, FOR THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
8. Was the Song of Kurt an addition to the Bible like Chris Taylor expressed, incompatible, or self-righteous?
NO COMMENT. NOT SURE WHAT IS MEANT HERE.
Please post your answers here and......
"People that only use the O.T. are probably people of lower intelligence that have not progessed spiritually."
Way to slam God's chosen people, moog.
Are you anti-semetic?
Try to keep your answer to a 5 page dissertation.
LOL
mogel sez:
"HE IS STILL 100% RIGHT ON IN CALLING A SPADE A SPADE & CALLING THE BANKERS CROOKS. NO UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT THERE. "
Really? He and you paint with a broad brush, don't you?
Do you know all these bankers personally? Any of them? Could some, or all, be brothers in Christ, even?
You have no way of knowing, yet you label them all 'evil banksters', and preach to the rest of us, calling us pharisees and sadducees (two diametrically opposed groups, btw).
You think you have Fruit all figured out.
You're the Blogs answer man, presenting speculation as fact.
Good grief.
Right.
Happy Mother's Day to ALL you Mothers.
;-)
You must have a heck of a lot of free time on your hands, mogel.
You scenarios of success hinge on agency by estoppel, to a large degree.
I've pointed out this one in the past...here it is again.
promissory estoppel - A type of estoppel that prevents a person who made a promise from reneging when someone else has reasonably relied on the promise and will suffer a loss if the promise is broken.
May the best estopple win.
mogel sez:
"Maybe you would like to tell us all of the good that Dorean has done now, before Judgment day?"
Alrighty then.
Here is my list.
1.)
Back to agency by estopple -
Again, this has been pointed out before, but, maybe it will sink in this time:
http://www.businesspowerlaw.com/12/44
B. WAYS THAT AGENCY MAY BE ESTABLISHED
It has traditionally been recognized that agency may be proved to exist in four ways: first, by direct evidence of an expressed contract of agency; second, by proof of facts which raise the implication of such a contract (implied agency); third, by ratification; and, fourth, by estoppel (i.e., one who avails himself of such acts as are beneficial to him cannot repudiate the burdens which accompany such acts).......
"Creation of authority: General Rule. Except for the execution of instruments under seal, or for the performance of transactions required by statute to be authorized in a particular way, authority to do an act can be created by written or spoken words, or other conduct of the principal which, reasonably interpreted, causes the agent to believe that the principal desires him so to act on the principal's account." .........
Acquiescence by Principal in Agent's Conduct. Acquiescence by the principal is conduct of an agent whose previously conferred authorization reasonably might include it, indicates that the conduct was authorized; if clearly not included in the authorization, acquiescence in it indicates affirmance." (emphasis added) ..........
G. COURT PRECEDENT
There is, of course, long established precedent, both from the courts and the NLRB, for the proposition that one who has promoted an act from another and has accepted the benefit from such act cannot hide behind the argument that there was no agency between the actor and itself in order to existed an agency relationship between a creditor and a collection agent when the collection agent acted in a manner which insured a benefit to the creditor and the creditor made no effort to divorce itself from the actions of the collection agent. .......
http://august1.com/lectures/mgr/lect-01/notes01.htm
B. Termination by Operation of Law: the law provides that agencies shall terminate in certain circumstances:
1. Circumstances in which law terminates an agency relationship:
a. Death of the principal or agent.
b. Insanity of the principal or agent.
1) Durable agency ("durable power of attorney") can expressly provide that it will continue despite the disability (but not the death) of an agent.
c. Bankruptcy of the principal.
d. Loss or destruction of the subject matter of the agency.
e. Change in business conditions that would make an agent believe that the principal would want the agency terminated.
f. Change in the law that makes the agency relationship illegal.
g. Disloyalty of the agent – if an agent breaches his duty of loyalty to the principal, by acquiring, for example, interests adverse to the principal without the principal's knowledge, the agency is terminated.
h. Outbreak of war when the principal and agent are from opposing warring countries.
http://www.oz.uc.edu/~stedmabn/Chapter16.pdf.
States the agency exists for the benefit of the principal and the agent must endeavor to use his/her best efforts to advance and support the principals best interest.And because the agency is required to act for the principals' benefit and under his/her control, the agent must obey all reasonable instructions. avoid liability. For example, in Wolverton Associates v. Official Creditors Committee, 909 F.2d 1286 (9th Cir. 1990), the Ninth Circuit found no fault with the lower court's assertion that there
http://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/search/display.html?terms=principal%20((agent%20or%20agency)%20or%20authority)%20not%20liibulletin&url=/nyctap/I97_0028.htm
It is undisputed that Public Service Mutual never signified any acceptance of the terms and conditions of the financing agreements, as the notices required. Thus, no express ratification by Public Service Mutual ever took place (see, Restatement [Second] of Agency § 82 & cmt a [principal may become liable for its agent's unauthorized acts by adopting the agent's actions and electing to become a party to the transaction]). Moreover, the rule that ratification may be implied where the principal retains the benefit of an unauthorized transaction with knowledge of the material facts (see, Deyo v Hudson, 225 NY 602, 614, rearg denied 226 NY 685; 2 NY Jur 2d, Agency §§ 170, 171, 173), has no application here, since it is undisputed that Public Service Mutual received no premiums or any other benefit in connection with the fraudulent financing agreements.
V. Agent's Duties to the Principal
A. Agent's Contractual Duties: because most agency relationships are based on a contract, express contractual duties apply.
B. Agent's Legal Duties: the law of agency establishes 5 duties that agents owe to principals.
1. Fiduciary Duty: this duty is based on the idea that an agency is a relationship based on trust and confidence.
a. Loyalty: agent is to act in good faith and solely in principal's interest.
b. Confidentiality: agent may not use or disclose confidential information obtained in the course of the agency for his own interest and contrary to the principal's interest.
c. Avoid conflicts of interest.
1) Not represent a principal in transactions in which agent has an interest.
2) Not compete with principal or act on behalf of a competitor.
3) Not enter into a dual agency without authorization of both principals.
a) Dual agency: agent represents two principals who have an adverse interest in the same transactions.
And as far as agency by estoppel............
: an agency that is not created as an actual agency by a principal and an agent but that is imposed by law when a principal acts in such a way as to lead a third party to reasonably believe that another is the principal's agent and the third party is injured by relying on and acting in accordance with that belief
NOTE: A principal has a duty to correct a third party's mistaken belief in an agent's authority to act on the principal's behalf. If the principal could have corrected the misunderstanding but failed to do so, he or she is estopped from denying the existence of the agency and is bound by the agent's acts in dealing with the third party.
Mogel sez:
"Kurt's prophecy of breast cancer was a sign that he isn't a wicked man spewing all B.S. & that he does have the gift of prophecy & EVEN A SIGN THAT HIS WORK IS SANCTIONED BY THE LORD."
Was Scott's wife diagnosed with breast cancer?
(just for the record, its 'snide' - the first time I assumed it was a typo, but you've used 'snied' a couple of times now - hth)
MOGEL, YOU SURE ARE YELLING A LOT LATELY.
Take a deep breath. It will be OK.
Here is a mantra for you:
O -WA
TA-GOO
SIAM
Just repeat that until you feel better.
:-)
Neo said to moog,
"People that only use the O.T. are probably people of lower intelligence that have not progessed spiritually."
Way to slam God's chosen people, moog.
Are you anti-semetic?
Try to keep your answer to a 5 page dissertation.
Of course he is neo,
Don't you know that the Mormons(as well as other Christians, right SOP?) have replaced the Jews as the chosen people.
The new Jerusalem will be built by Mormons in the U.S, somewhere in the mid west.
Isn't that what they teach moogie?
You're a good speller, mogel, especially in contrast to some who post, not that its a big deal. Just trying to give you a heads-up on a particular word.
Regarding the breast cancer prophecy...
Your wording made it sound like the prophecy had already come true, else why would it show that he has a gift for prophecy???
uh-oh Down. I don't want to be in the middle of this one.
Just to clarify, the part about the O.T. - "People that only use the O.T. are probably people of lower intelligence that have not progessed spiritually." - was a qoute from mogel, and not me speaking.
First, here is a missing link:
http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/results.pl?co=dictionary.findlaw.com&topic=bd/bd3cf34aea1cecb1dca20bdb3484f8c0
Try this on for size, it should help clarify that mess.
http://www.4554.com/Glossary/ESTOPPEL.html
Why you persist in believing that Agency by Estoppel is a magic bullet for Dorean is beyond me. (Feel free to run with that - lol)
Moog,
there are 12 tribes, not ten. The Jewish people as a whole did not reject the Messiah. In fact most all of the first converts where Jews, like the twelve desciples? Christianity was thaought of as a sect of Judiaism for much of the first tweo centuries, until the anti-semitism of the Romans crept in. That is when you see the blending of Roman paganism and Chrisianity firstn starting.
The reason Jews reject Jesus is because the modern Christian church teaches that He broke the the Law(Torah) of God on repeated occasions, which is just no true. OT prophesy strictly states that if the Messiah breaks the Torah, or causes it to be null, he can not be the true Savior. That is why they reject him today. The church tries to hit them over the head with a pork eating ,Sabbath breaking, Torah abrrogating Messiah, no wonder they reject Him.
As for the New Jerusalem in the U.S pure unabulterated B.S.
A spiritual leader at the war crimes trial of one of the German S.S. in charge of gassing the Jews at Aushvits was asked about the salvation of a man responsible for killing millions of Jews, "he was afterall baptised a Christian" so his salvation is ironclad. As for the 6 million Jews, he was asked?
"Of course they are all in hell" was his reply.
You're in good company man
Neo,
I know moogie posted that, sorry for the confusion.
Well, Kurt may be truly God inspired and chosen to break the backs of the bankers.
I'm not in a position to say, with certainty, otherwise.
Having said that, I believe that the only one inspiring Kurt to do and say the things he does, is Kurt.
Please let me know when his prophecies start coming to fulfillment.
I'll wait.
"Have you ever met people or felt of their Spirit & you just have a feeling that you know you can't get along with them no matter what you do or say? Why is that?"
Pheromones.
I personally think that the high divorce rate can be partly attributed by the use of perfumes and colognes, masking pheromones and resulting in mismatches.
"Do I look like a spider or a duck or a pig?"
Can't say, never seen you. Post a pic in your profile and we'll let you know.
;-)
I have no way of knowing if username evilex (sp) was even really Scott's wife.
Sometime back, someone registered at my forum as Laura (I think) Heineman and I deleted it, because I assumed it was a hoax and wasn't in the mood for whatever flack might arise from it.
Perhaps I was hasty. I'll never know, I guess.
"Private Message" on this blog probably wasn't the best title for a public flagellation. It really didn't sound like a "right-hearted" thing to do, to me.
"I don't know much bible but I think I know more than that proverbs guy. He is a walking contradiction. I think he had three fights with himself, losing all three times." Thanks Justice I'm still laughing. Want to take me on. Go for it. Any particular Theological persaution?
Mogel says, "OH REALLY? SOMETHING TELLS ME WHO YOU THINK IS A HE IS A SHE."
Mogel... You got the wrong burning in your bosom. I'm male. That's the trouble with the subjective, selective part of your HS theology. Hit and miss. It's one reason why I do not believe in the HS trump card. Your HS trumps my HS or vise versa to justify anything I want. If He doesn't agree with the Word of God i.e. Scripture, truth (not the book of Mormon) it's not of God. Otherwise I like you.
Fruit Cake said...
My job is simple. I am here to make sure you, Kurt, and the others don't mislead people.
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A self proclaimed savior! Wow!
I think it has been said many times here. We don't want any!
Take your selfrighteous, selfappointed B.S. to someplace that ask!
It is just unbelievable how you idiots stay here attempting to force a negative conclusion to an issue not yet settled.
Again you naysayers sound like Fascist from the dark ages. Fruit is obviously a Jerry Falwell lacky!
You post all these verses from the bible, I can not believe that you live by them. If you did, you would be infront of the white house taking on the real criminals and frauds in this society.
Again, I don't understand where you people think we do not deserve a voice to question validity of this issue!
Well I guess I do understand that your fascist in attitude. Be careful what you ask for......
Neodemes = A dictatorial person!
Fruit Cake = A dictatorial person!
Justass666 = follower of a dictatorial person!
Mogel says Prov 10:22: Actually I'm surprised. You have never been controversial or offensive or let your testosterone disrupt your cool demeanor, so in a strange way, I was paying you a compliment. I just assumed your mellowness was becaue you were female. Sorry, my mistake. I've enjoyed your comments by the way. I find you to be very sincere & informed & have appreciated what you have said.
The burning in my bosom told me you were paying me a compliment. I appriciate that. I find you to be very sincere and VERY informed and have appreciated what you have said also. I really enjoyed your last posts to fruit lol lad (laugh all day).. its odd but I think we (the fruit and I are of the same background) (burning in my boson again) but don't find the same sincerity for truth that I see in you. Got to run see you later MOOG.
but that is imposed by law when a principal (lender) acts in such a way (silence by default to the Dorean presentment) as to lead a third party (Dorean client) to reasonably believe that another (Scott H.) is the principal's (lender's) agent
I think you will find that the courts aren't going to support the contention that the banks had to give any credence to the presentment package. Thus, your case has no basis.
Guess we will have to wait and see.
"Again, I don't understand where you people think we do not deserve a voice to question validity of this issue!"
Is anyone trying to silence you?
I'm not.
Give me the same courtesy, please.
I don't dictate to anyone. I just express my opinions.
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