Thursday, June 01, 2006

The Crux (5/12/06)

On 5-9 we were to discuss the crux of jurisdiction. Instead we were handed a gift. The report of psychiatrist Dr. Misset. At that moment we felt we had to cross-examine this witness for the record. This happened on 5-11. Our next hearing is scheduled for 5-16 to do the ferretta hearing. This is where we will discuss the crux of the facts.

Foundation: Dr. Misset was a witness of exemplary credential. 4 intelligent, reasonable men had no choice but to agree with him; Me, Scott, Mr. Alsup and Mr. Keller. Mr. Alsup even spent 10 minutes testifying to the 9th Circuit on the record of Scott and my exceptional mental competency and verbal skills. Now the foundation is laid to prevent the courts normal exit in factual conflict “you are not competent”. Also I have an agreed factual base to challenge the presumptions that are causing all of us damage. Only men are examined by psychiatrist.

The Crux: KURT JOHNSON the defendant is not the man Kurt Johnson. It is a Cestui Que Trust functioning like a Strawman in commerce. The man is not capable of contracting with himself. He cannot be a representative of self. The ferretta is equivalent to judicial masturbation from a factual basis. A man can only present himself. I as a man have no duty to present myself until another self addressed me by charge. Mr. Keller and Mr. Alsup have not presented themselves as men under oath with charge for me to present an answer under oath. They are mere agents of some fiction called The UNITED STATES who is acting as a mere agent of some 27 other fictions who are under no oath because they are not men. KURT JOHNSON is a name under Idem Sonans that is being confused with me. I have made it clear by constructive notice in the public and actual notice when before these confused agents, that I am a man. I can only be reached at law by personum jurisdiction while the trust / strawman is reached in rem. That makes the nature, character, and identity so substantially different as to be prejudicial to any presumption otherwise. I know the trust / strawman as trustee a non-liability relationship. I am not a surety, a pledge, or accommodation party and do not or will not accept that presumption by the misinterpretation of my actions as adhesion contracts enforceable. I am competent to understand, create, and execute my contracts. It is why I was hired by clients. It is this skill, which makes me a good trustee. If I were to not perform this task for you I would be guilty of self-enrichment, breach of duty or negligence at least. Then all you naysayers would be hanging me for that. Nice world you offer me! Someday you will understand the value of this information and how necessary it was to prevail in a battle of this magnitude.

This crux / cross is going to be erected on 5-16 and truth like Christ will be exalted under shame as deliverance. This case is death on one side of the cross and life on the other. Passing through it into the better covenant happens by humility not pride. Truth never changes only the circumstances of its application. The truth of victory and new testimony are soon to be delivered. AMEN!

77 comments:

WillToFight said...

Makes sense to me!

WillToFight said...

Supreme Court Rules No Whistleblower Protections
Corruption will Run Wild

Washington Times | May 31, 2006
By Joyce Howard Price

WASHINGTON -- A divided Supreme Court said yesterday that free-speech rights do not shield government employees -- even proclaimed whistleblowers reporting wrongdoing -- from punishment for comments made on the job.

"When public employees make statements pursuant to their official duties, the employees are not speaking as citizens" protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution, the court ruled in a 5-4 vote.

mogel said...

Kurt are you trying to establish that the Court system is a fraud and also trying to get vindicated too at the same time? Seems like a whole lot to accomplish at the same time. How does the System and your advesaries "save face?" What options are you giving your opponents? Is it possible to have a win-win situation?

habakkuk said...

Ezeliel 28:13-18

13You were in [a]Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the carnelian, topaz, jasper, chrysolite, beryl, onyx, sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald; and your settings and your sockets and engravings were wrought in gold. On the day that you were created they were prepared.(B)

14You were the anointed cherub that covers with overshadowing [wings], and I set you so. You were upon the holy mountain of God; you walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire [like the paved work of gleaming sapphire stone upon which the God of Israel walked on Mount Sinai].

15You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until iniquity and guilt were found in you.

16THROUGH THE ABUNDANCE OF YOUR COMMERCE you were filled with lawlessness and violence, and you sinned; therefore I cast you out as a profane thing from the mountain of God and the guardian cherub drove you out from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Your heart was proud and lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I lay you before kings, that they might gaze at you.

18You have profaned your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities and the enormity of your guilt, by the unrighteousness of your trade.
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This is one of the coolest passages in the scriptures because although He's referring to an earthly king G-d also hints to us what it was that caused Lucifer to get kicked out of Heaven....HE GOT GREEDY folks. Thats why the scriptures tell us again that "the love of money is the root of all evil".

Thats why i dont get it when people say that this whole situatuion with the banks has nothing to do with the Bible, etc.....They'll say stuff like "lets save the bible study for sunday" or "stick to the topic and keep your religious cult views to yourself". Or the ones who supposedly know the bible say "Kurt and the doreanites are twisting the scriptures to support what they are doing".

The devil is crafty and he wants nothing more than to keep the two discussions separate.

whyudothat said...

papa_dont_preach said... Indeed, today's your day to shine. I'm sure all are waiting in anticipation for your good news, indeed.


Times up, Indeed.

speak up or shut up.
how did all those charges getting dropped go today, june 1st?

you will know them by their fruit said...

Kurt prophesied:

It’s time to Peel the Fruit (5/18/06)
Fruit was a broker/agent for Mortgage Alternatives a known fraud. They took money for years and did nothing. She then sought that relationship with us but would not participate in training. She is not a client but supplied a few of her old MA clients. This is honorable to seek a remedy for those you’ve hurt even if no intent was present. What was not honorable was to charge those clients a premium above our fee to help them. What do you call that? Profiting from fraud, taking money, or just compensation? Never in an entire year has she let out her dirty little secret. Oh yes you can remove the splinter in my flesh as soon as you remove the log in your eye. MA is not being prosecuted because they did nothing and never will. People can be ripped off and government doesn’t care. That is status quo, but upset the status quo and you are a target. Dorean is a target because we did something not nothing. Your clients also talked with us many times about how you lied to them and that they didn’t trust you. Perhaps one of them would be kind enough to expose you for what you are. Don’t give me your Christian crap. Christ Kingdom is an honest one. You should change your name to they will know me by my peel. You repent and help us help your clients or piss-off. Your voice is a fraud!


___________________________________

100% wrong about me. I noticed none of the cult have tried to make an excuse for ol'Kurt. Maybe the HS was off that weekend or He lost Kurt's phone number.

God did use me Kurt. He is using you right now. Very telling fruit.

habakkuk said...

fruit said...

"Maybe the HS was off that weekend or He lost Kurt's phone number.

God did use me Kurt. He is using you right now. Very telling fruit."

I dont know if u are aware of this but your true character exposes itself with every slanderous word u say. I dont think your necessarily an evil person (i dont think) but your slander tactics resemble someone i know, the devil. He poses as an angel of light but if he keeps talkin long enough he exposes himself because he always takes it a step too far....he doesnt know how to quit. Thats the sign of a deranged individual. Remember Hitler, he was truly a deranged person who didnt know when to quit...and a person who doesnt know when to quit gets real sloppy. At first they are real crafty and choose their steps carefully, but their evil desires start to take over and they become careless. Hmmmmmmmm

Be careful fruit, your starting to make us think your a little deranged. Again i ask you, what do you care about kurt and the "doreanites"...according to you our fate is sealed. Why do you continue to hang around, unless your just a little sick.

you will know them by their fruit said...
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you will know them by their fruit said...

Hab,

I couldn't care less about banks. I am obligated, as a Christian, to resist evil. When Kurt brought Christ into this scam he brought me and others in as well, to fight the good fight and run the race--against dorean.

I am here to make sure Kurt and the others do not lead folks to eternal damnation.

I am happy to say that Kurts fruits reveal him and anyone with just a sprinkling of God's word in them is able to see the same.

But there might be some young Christians out there that could easily be mislead by Kurt's will.

I am here because I am about my Father's business. Kurt and Mogel are here because they are about the $$$$$$$$$$.

God's will be done.

habakkuk said...

Fruit,

I agree with only one thing you just said...."God's will be done."

We'll all know what His will is in time. In His good time.

you said...."I am here because I am about my Father's business." Well, what kinda business are you conducting for the Father? As if He needs your help exposing who the real frauds are in this whole thing. If you go back and read the scriptures its as plain as day. I'm not sure the Father wants your help until you go back and read His word and find out what He calls right and wrong.

How are "young christians" being misled by what kurt is saying.....What???? i dont know what the heck u are referring to. Is it the fact that kurt is saying that banks and others involved in this are corrupt? Even non-christians know that...that aint news. Thats fact that very few people (like kurt) have the gutts to confront.

WillToFight said...

Fruit Idiot said....

I couldn't care less about banks. I am obligated, as a Christian, to resist evil. When Kurt brought Christ into this scam he brought me and others in as well, to fight the good fight and run the race--against dorean.
___________________

Your and endless line of BS using about .00000001% of your brain capacity!

You could care less about the banks because they do not say what religion they are. What crap!

You are to the highest idiot I've come across.

You would (which really means nothing, your not accomplishing anything here) attempt to degrade what we are tring which is only to prove BANK FRAUD a section of destruction in this society that has destroyed many peoples financial well being without a care, but you would rather say Kurt is worse then they!

All you are is an agony of BS that continues to come to this blog. You are getting to me cause I am so tired of scimming over your BS!

Sun Micro Systems just laid of 5000 employees for the purpose of the bottom line investors which = 480 million.

Fight that "good fight" You are not fighting a good fight here. You are an ameaba!

WillToFight said...

Fruit Cake Idiot is really only an "attention getter" who must go back to her/he freinds to bragg that he/she is doing something worth while. While the Jerry Falwells' run amock over this country!

YOUBACKWARDUPSIDEDOWNUNEDUCATEDIDIOT
NONCHRISTIANWOULDHANGJESUSIFHE
WHEREHEREIDIOTROTTENSTICKENPISSANT

son of a prophet said...

I am not a STRAWMAN©


gee, this is BETTER than PERRY MASON Vs. WARREN BURGER!


I dont know about the TRUST© business, but I would bet these guys could make a lot more by giving quasi-legal advise.

if they win their case, then technically every defendant in the UNITED STATES© could cliam that they too are not a STRAWMAN©

I wonder what would happen then???

INTERESTING!?

this case has obviously taken on much greater implications that i did not know about.

hmmmmmmmmm...............


this could then be thoretically applied to anything that uses the STRAWMAN© approach...


will the next dorean tax guys appear to take on the IRS© ???

"...i do not owe any taxes as I am not a STRWMAN©...'

"...I will not pay proptery tax bacuse it is not in my name, but a STRAWMAN©.."


I can see the govt. now sayng..."we will have to send the wicked witch to burn down the STRAWMAN© so he cant bother us anymore..."


???? IF THEY WIN, THEN DOES THE USE OF THE "STRAWMAN© DEFENSE" NOW HAVE VIRTUALLY UNLINMITED APPLICATION?????

son of a prophet said...

CORRECTION:

gee, this is BETTER than PERRY MASON Vs. WARREN BURGER!


the above is correctly named HAMILTON BURGER as memory serves me.

perry mason, still the most realistic courtroom presentation ever produced for network tv.

WillToFight said...

I guess you know nothing of the 14 Amendment to the constitution SOP that began this process. Then in 1933 with the new deal!

Those two issue along with a few others made slaves of us all.

Do you really think the African slaves were freed. No, lets' make them wards of the state and at the same time lets' make poor white folks wards/slaves to the state also!

Get it?

This is beyond the bank fraud. We need to stop this fascist coperatism !

WillToFight said...

Everyone with an SSN is a ward of the state as far as judiciary/commerce law are concerned. They attempt to uphold that, but there are those who believe otherwise!

This is a fight against tyranny!

mogel said...

Fruit said: "I am here because I am about my Father's business. Kurt and Mogel are here because they are about the $$$$$$$$$$."

LIKE I SAID BEFORE FRUIT. YOU HAVE "NO AUTHORITY" WHATSOEVER TO ACT IN GOD'S NAME & TO BE ABOUT OUR FATHER'S BUSINESS. "TAKING THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN," WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, BY CONSTANTLY SPEAKING EVIL AGAINST KURT & THE WORTHY MISSION HE IS DOING & (I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SWEARING,) IS A SERIOUS THING. IT CAN SOMETIMES BRING DEATH, JUST LIKE LYING AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.

WASN'T IT JESUS CHRIST WHO SAID: "I AM ABOUT MY FATHER'S BUSINESS" AS A REPLY TO HIS MORTAL MOTHER WHEN MARY GOT ANXIOUS ABOUT HIS WHEREABOUTS? SO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE JESUS NOW?

SO IF YOU THINK I'M ONLY HERE FOR THE $$$$$, HOW MUCH MONEY DO I OR KURT GET PAID BY POSTING HERE & SPENDING MUCH TIME HERE? OR MAYBE DEEP DOWN YOU FEAR THAT KURT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH IN THAT CASE, THERE WILL BE ALOT OF MONEY PAID, HOWEVER, WHY DO YOU BRING MONEY INTO THIS DISCUSSION IF YOU BELIEVE KURT CAN'T WIN & THAT GOD IS NOT WITH HIM & THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY TASTED VICTORY? THERE WILL BE NO MONEY IN THE FUTURE IF THE PROCESS ISN'T SUCCESSFUL, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL, IT IS BECAUSE GOD SANCTIONS THE PROCESS, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE SOME DIVINE HELP TO GET ALL THE CRIMINAL CHARGES DROPPED. STOP TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH WHEN IT SUITS YOU, BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES YOU LOOK SILLY.

THE PROPHET ABRAHAM WAS ONE OF THE RICHEST PERSONS IN THE WORLD IN HIS DAY. GOD BLESSES PEOPLE ACCORDINGLY TO THEIR FAITH & WORKS. MONEY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN OBJECT OR TOOL OF EVIL, BUT IN REALITY CAN ACCOMPLISH MUCH GOOD.

NOT ONLY DO I SEE YOU AS A PERSON THAT BREAKS THE COMMANDMENT OF TAKING THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN, I ALSO SEE YOU AS ONE BREAKING THE COMMANDMENT OF "ENVYING & COVETING". IT WOULD JUST BURN YOUR ASS IF YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING, WOULDN'T IT? SO WHAT IF KURT MAKES ALOT OF MONEY? MORE POWER TO HIM. DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO TAKE THE RISKS THAT HE HAS MADE, & THE SACRIFICES HE HAS MADE? OF COURSE YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE COURAGE TO ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS HONESTLY. SHOULD KURT'S ACTIONS & FAITH TOTALLY GO UNREWARDED? IS THAT JUST? YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE MY EMPLOYER, I'M SURE I WOULD HAVE QUIT YOU LONG AGO. I DON'T PUT UP WITH CRAP LIKE I DID WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.

whyudothat said...

Indeed, Speak up.

today is your day. you posted a direct statement about june 1st to all the blog and have to back it up with something.

speak up.

mogel said...

FRUIT SAID: "I am obligated, as a Christian, to resist evil."

DOES YOUR OBLIGATION INCLUDE LYING TO RESIST EVIL?

papa_dont_preach said...

whyudothat, we all know that Indeed changed his story in his last post as he stated that neither Dr. Fred nor Kurt knew of the charges being dropped.

I was thinking of ways for him to make a new spin on his claim such as, maybe the Feds don't know that they dropped the charges yet? ;)

mogel said...

FRUIT SAID: "I couldn't care less about banks."

SO SHE IS HERE ON GOD'S BIDDING DUE TO THE MORALITY ISSUES OF STANDING UP AS A TRUE CHRISTIAN & FIGHTING EVIL WHENEVER GOD'S NAME IS BROUGHT INTO A MORAL ISSUE LIKE THE DOREAN PROCESS. AND SHE SAYS SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT BANKS ARE COMMITTING FRAUD, BUT FEELS NO MORALITY TO STAND UP AGAINST THEM & HAS AN APATHY ATTITUDE TOWARDS THIS MORAL ISSUE OF WHAT BANKS DO SUCH AS STEALING.

Hey, here consistency ON MORALITY makes perfect sense to me. I had to type a little slower than my normal rate of 100 words per minute to make this clear to everyone. LOL

mogel said...

Fruit said: "I am here to make sure Kurt and the others do not lead folks to eternal damnation."

LOL Not damnation, but ETERNAL damnation. LOL Now Fruit is mocking the atonement of Christ, like Christ doesn't have power to forgive Dorean clients for some act. Maybe Fruit, in your monthly Church flyer, you can put Kurt's picture on God's 10 most wanted list. Hey, it must work for the FBI, so maybe it can work for you too. Instead of putting them in post offices, you might try posting the pictures on bulletin boards too in all of your places of worship. YOu know to get the word out. Email me & I'll also send a photo of myself too: mogel007@yahoo.com
After all, EVIL DOES HAVE A FACE.

whyudothat said...

papa_dont_preach said... I was thinking of ways for him to make a new spin on his claim such as, maybe the Feds don't know that they dropped the charges yet? ;)


lol

indeed, speak up, or rescind from posting nonsense

you will know them by their fruit said...

Well, I guess no doreanites can account for why Kurt was soooo wrong on his "I know who fruit is" prophecy.

Whats new?

Maybe they will figure out how to spin things "in a couple of weeks."

Mo/Hab I will leave you to yourselves. My bad responding to you guys. My own mistake. I had been warned (pearls/swine).

God Bless. I will pray for you guys and Kurt too.

neodemes said...

The Crux: KURT JOHNSON the defendant is not the man Kurt Johnson.

****

Actually, it is.

Good luck with that approach, though.

You'll need it.

LOL

Justice7777777 said...

INDEED,

Where are you bud. Your day has come and gone. Thank goodness Kurt has given us a new date 5/16!

Lets see that is about, oh yeah--two weeks away!!!!!!!!!

(Mogel you argue like a kid on the junior high playground. That could explain a lot of your problems with the chicks. Get out a little and socialize with adults.)

Fruit I love watching these guys squirm. I don't know who you (don't really care either) but I am glad you are here. You are under their skin deeeeeep.

neodemes said...

er...justice...

You're thinking 6/16.

5/16 came and went. Kurt isn't posting in real time.

Justice7777777 said...

Haaaaaaaaaa!

SO many dates I can't keep track. Yikes!! I better go back and fix it before Imbigo does another one of his "how do you like your crow posts"!

See you at the top (in two weeks or so)

WillToFight said...

Under My Skin!

Justass666 you finally got one right.

Yeah, you, Neofuckface, RottonFruit get under my skin!

The three of you act as trustees in a jail. You know the trustees like everybody else are in jail for a crime, some say they are innocent, but anyway, some make it to trustee.

The jail trustee that has sold his soul for an extra cigarette, or more potatoes at dinner, he might get to sit with the prison guards and shoot the shit, somehow thinking he or she is different from the other jail birds.

Many times they're detested by the other inmates, because they have no courage and usually attempt tobe as oppresive as they're masters.

Usually they're the dumbest of the inmates to take a job like that. They are wanttobe's, on the fringes below the table wishing they could sit at the table with they're master.

All of you are cursed with greed but have nothing. You would pick at those who are really tring to make a change for the better of the whole, but your like crabs in a barrel, one trys to get out one like you attempt to pull them back into the death barrel!

Chiwawah's at my ankles that can't hurt me, but always barking and nagging.

Yeah Justass, fleas get under the skin, misketoes bit when your not looking. People like you and your buddies are leaches with no courage!

It takes all kinds!

whyudothat said...

for shame, INDEED,

we're going to chalk you right up there with fred's prophetic statements. we all know the level of credibility with both now.

son of a prophet said...

WillToFight said...


I guess you know nothing of the 14 Amendment to the constitution SOP that began this process. Then in 1933 with the new deal!
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i do not claim to know abot the 14th amendment.

but i do not need to know it to know that we have been on the way to a fascist state for a long time now.


my point was that if they win, there is no theoretical reason why this defense cannot be used for everything like taxes, speeding tickests, excise tax, etc., etc.

after all, a STRAWMAN© is a STRAWMAN© right??

the IRS© cannot tax a STRAWMAN©

son of a prophet said...

unless they are willing to accept payment in STRAW, right?

WillToFight said...

Point Made and Taken SOP!

WillToFight said...

he Sport of Distraction: Can the People Rule?

Vladimir De Th├ęzier
IEET.org
April 16, 2006

"In order that the masses themselves may not guess what they are about we further distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions, people’s palaces…Soon we shall begin through the press to propose competitions in arts, in sport of all kinds these interests will finally distract their minds from question in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them. Growing more and more disaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we, because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought…”

Protocol #13

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/
dethezier20060415/

WillToFight said...

The mark of the beast arrives Tuesday

North County Times / GARY WARTH | June 2nd 2006

Tuesday looms ominously on the calendar, a day that conjures images of evil and despair, the end of times and the threat of a holy war and a dark overlord.

Yes, Tuesday is Election Day.

But it's also June 6, 2006, or 6/6/06, a numeric convergence that did not go unnoticed by the marketing team behind "The Omen," a remake of the 1976 film about the birth of the anti-Christ, scheduled for release next Tuesday.

In the story, precocious little Damien Thorn isn't that different from any other boy, aside for being the spawn of Satan and having an odd birthmark tucked behind his ear that resembles 666.The mark of the beast arrives Tuesday

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
articles/june2006/020606_b_mark.htm

papa_dont_preach said...

Hey, whatever happened to TCOB? Did he take the deal that gave him a refund and the option to donate 10% of his settlement to a charity of his choice?

w said...

son of a prophet said...after all, a STRAWMAN© is a STRAWMAN© right??
the IRS© cannot tax a STRAWMAN©



Actually, that is the other way around SOP, the IRS does have taxing authority over the strawman as is in the code unless you claim yourself as other than. The courts hear any matter with a strawman as equitable issue UCC in a equity court (creditor and debtor) from tickets to IRS its the same.

It is the flesh and blood man that the IRS has no authority or jurisdiction over. Then you are a flesh and blood man and it is a common law matter in the court and they dont have jurisdiction unless you are in a common law court.

ricco7777 said...

Can anyone help me out? I have my house in the trust with Scott as trustee and I have to sell it. How do I go about getting it out of the trust. I've called and emailed Dr Fred and he's not responding. Any help would be appreciated. My email address is rich@datawest.net
Thanks!

son of a prophet said...

yes, that it what i meant, but did not say it properly.

i stand corrected.

the IRS cannot tax a living, breathing, flesh and blood human being...

tcob247 said...

papa_dont_preach said...
Hey, whatever happened to TCOB? Did he take the deal that gave him a refund and the option to donate 10% of his settlement to a charity of his choice?


I'm still here.
I got out of the trust with the help of a lawyer.
I'm no longer in the program, so I was not eligible for the deal

Doesnt matter
No one is getting any money anyway.

I read this every so often just for laughs.
Got way more important things to do.

"ricco7777 said...
Can anyone help me out? I have my house in the trust with Scott as trustee and I have to sell it. How do I go about getting it out of the trust. I've called and emailed Dr Fred and he's not responding. Any help would be appreciated. My email address is rich@datawest.net
Thanks!"

Good luck Rico
Chalk up one more for customer service
WHere is Fred anyway
Maybe he will come back in TWO weeks with the money for all yall Kurt followers

Cheers

(Imbigo.....is your grill running out of gas?)

papa_dont_preach said...

TCOB, sorry to hear about that. Maybe Kurt will give you a refund anyway. So, did your attorney tell you people won't get any money or is that your speculation?

mogel said...

"People like you and your buddies are leaches with no courage!"

THAT ABOUT SUMS UP MY FEELINGS TOO, "WILL TO FIGHT".
COVETING & ENVYING SOMEONE ELSE'S FINE QUALITIES SUCH AS SACRIFICE & COURAGE. IT'S A BIGGER SIN THAN MOST REALIZE. IT'S WHAT KEEPS MEDOCRITY ALIVE. COURSE A PROPHET IS NOT ACCEPTED IN HIS OWN COUNTRY. NEW IDEAS ARE HARD TO GRASP BY THE UNINTELLIGENT.

FRUIT, STOP THINKING THAT EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF SOMEONE'S MOUTH IS A PROPHECY. IT MAY BE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE TOO. THE NAYSAYERS LIKE "Mr. 666, I'M JUST AN ASS" LET ME MISINTERPRET THE FACTS, ARE THE ONE'S THAT NEED TO CHILL OUT & GET A LIFE OR A GIRLFRIEND WHATEVER IS EASIEST FOR YOU. OR MAYBE YOU JUST MISS YOUR FORMER FRIENDS IN JR. HIGH BECAUSE MAYBE YOU WERE A SOMEBODY BACK THEN. LIVING IN THE PAST, MY BEASTLY LITTLE FRIEND?

mogel said...

As far as what "Indeed" had to say, I don't doubt it was based upon something from some source that he believed was credible. Give the guy a break. I seriously doubt he made up the story.

oksurewhynot said...

"Truth never changes only the circumstances of its application."

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHEN YOU TAKE THE TRUTH AND TWIST IT according to "Circumstances of it's application", IT'S STILL THE TRUTH?

NO, APPLICATION CAN CHANGE THE CHARACTERISTICS TO WHERE IT'S NO LONGER TRUTH.

papa_dont_preach said...

How do you know that for a fact Mogel? He could have been your buddy Neo or TCOB for all we know. But, say you're right, alright Indeed tell us who your source is like you said you would and we'll interrogate them.

neodemes said...

willy ranted:

"The jail trustee that has sold his soul for an extra cigarette, or more potatoes at dinner, he might get to sit with the prison guards and shoot the shit, somehow thinking he or she is different from the other jail birds.

Many times they're detested by the other inmates, because they have no courage and usually attempt tobe as oppresive as they're masters.

Usually they're the dumbest of the inmates to take a job like that. They are wanttobe's, on the fringes below the table wishing they could sit at the table with they're master."

*****

Sounds like the voice of experience talking, willie.

You in the can now or on parole?

No wonder you can relate to the Dorean chain gang.

LOL

neodemes said...

all day long you hear 'em

ugh
vapor money

ah
evil banksters

ugh
strawman

ah
legal fiction

oh don't you know
Thats the sound of the doreanites working on the chain ga-e-ang

that's the sound of the doreanites working on the chaaain gang

Tony Tuba said...

whyudothat said...
for shame, INDEED,

we're going to chalk you right up there with fred's prophetic statements. we all know the level of credibility with both now.



I stand by my story. If you want to label me as unreliable, go right ahead. Someone here wanted me to give up my source. Well I can't do that! My source still feels the inside track they were given is still valid. If I find this person lied or fabricated this story to me, you bet I will post their name and address on here. Myself and this person still feel the charges are going to be dropped. It didn't happen when we first were lead to believe it would, but we still feel strongly that this story is true. Don't blame us for the snail paced government.

whyudothat said...

indeed said...My source still feels the inside track they were given is still valid.



the snail paced govt is not the one who posted the drivel, you and only you, accept responsibility, anyone can post that SOMEday the charges will be dropped.

the consequence of posting 3rd hand rumors on a blog with ppl that had their property taken away from them is beyond self evident.

dont repeat assumptions that cant be backed up with any substance

whyudothat said...

Indeed said...Myself and this person still feel the charges are going to be dropped.


thats all you got, you "feel"? that doesnt mean anything, some people and their friends "feel" that the world is flat, that doesnt change the facts.

WillToFight said...

Neo said...

Sounds like the voice of experience talking, willie.

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Yeah Neo thats the experience of knowing a no courage flunky like you coming on this blog with no understanding of justice, soveriegnty, Integrety, the constitution etc. etc. etc.

People like you while help this country become fascist very soon with your greed.

Your the enemy of yourself!

How many houses have you stole lately NeoFuckface?

I don't need bible verses to tell you who you are. Facts speak for themselves. Whimp!

son of a prophet said...

I saw an interesting post in another blog that I was in....

It said....

"...there is only One truth, (Yeshua) Jesus; aside from this, there are only things that we agree upon."

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the more i thought about it, the more i realize this is true.

in any dispute, there is nothing that you can "prove" to me, unless i agree with it. if i disagree, no matter how much evidence you present, it is still not truth to me, even if everyone else agrees that it is true.

which brings the next thought....

what is true is only taht which is agreed upon as truth, meaning there is NO such thing as universal truth (aside from Yeshua of course!)

tcob247 said...

papa_dont_preach said...
TCOB, sorry to hear about that. Maybe Kurt will give you a refund anyway. So, did your attorney tell you people won't get any money or is that your speculation?


Kurt wont give me a refund and nobody else will either.

Just MY speculation.

But I think my speculation is just as good as anyone else. Especially DR Fred who has been saying for a year that it would only be two more weeks, and Kurt who said this "would all be over within the month" last October.
Yes, he has the feds right where he wants them doesnt he?

My Attorney said he has never seen such a poorly written trust.

WillToFight said...

If the sun does not shine on this earth. All will die! If the moon should move out of orbit, all would parish here on earth. That is truth wether you agree or not!

Truth is not dependent on us believing or not. 2+2 equal four doesn't depend on anyone belief.

We should graduate to "know"+ing which is experience of the thing and is not dependent on belief.

I'll bet that is universal?

Sometime dogma forgets to apply science.

papa_dont_preach said...

Indeed, thanks but NO THANKS. "Sorry it's the govt's fault" just doesn't cut it. Your words were STRONGLY implied and did more damage in the way of squashing hope rather than instilling hope.

There is already enough misinformation floating around that we don't need another source. Please refrain and show some consideration for those who have been burnt with misinformation in the past.

Was your purpose to hastily post this information simply an attempt to boost your ego? How selfish an act.

neodemes said...

I've never stolen a house, willy.

And I've never set up or participated in a process whose end goal is to knowingly refinance a property with pre-meditation to stiff the lender and take 3/4 of the equity from the homeowner (who ends up owing TWO loans).

Mogel justifies this as pay back for the banks bad behavior.

Ends DON'T justify means.

There is NO HONOR in Doreanism.

Until you find the balls to tell me who you are, willy, save the term WIMP for yourself, gutless mouth.

mogel said...

Papa said: "But, say you're right, alright Indeed tell us who your source is like you said you would and we'll interrogate them."

THAT SOUNDS FAIR ENOUGH.

mogel said...

Will said: "How many houses have you stole lately NeoFuckface?"

I THINK NEO IS STILL WORKING ON HIS FIRST HOUSE & STILL TRYING TO GET IT THROUGH ILLEGAL TRESSPASSING & ADVERSE POSSESSION. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GETTING BANK FINANCING & HE CAN'T FIND ANY SELLER FINANCING, (MIGHT BE A TRUST ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW) & HE HAS NO LEGAL TITLE TO A PROPERTY IN HIS NAME, SO WHAT ARE WE TO THINK? I THINK YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD, WHEN YOU SAID, HE IS A "WANTOBE". THAT ABOUT SUMS EVERYTHING UP. HE'S TOO BUSY MOCKING OTHERS TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, THAT HE HAS NO TIME TO WORK ON HIMSELF OR HIS OWN FINANCIAL GOALS.

mogel said...

Fruit said: "God Bless. I will pray for you guys and Kurt too."

WE DON'T NEED YOUR LACK OF FAITH PRAYERS. DON'T BOTHER! GOD DOESN'T LISTEN TO UNSINCERE BLATHERING. HIS TIME IS VALUABLE TOO.

mogel said...

tcOB SAID: "Doesnt matter
No one is getting any money anyway."

TELL THAT TO THE FREEDOM CLUB USA CLIENTS. I DON'T THINK THEY'LL ACCEPT YOUR CONCLUSIONS. YOU ATTITUDE KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE ALSOP FABLE OF THE FOX THAT TRIED TO REACH THE GRAPES. AFTER TRYING MANY TIMES, HE SAID: "OH THEY WERE PROBABLY JUST SOUR ANYWAY." WHO NEEDS THEM? BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU ARE FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT ANYWAY BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T NEED IT.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "And I've never set up or participated in a process whose end goal is to knowingly refinance a property with pre-meditation to stiff the lender and take 3/4 of the equity from the homeowner (who ends up owing TWO loans).

Mogel justifies this as pay back for the banks bad behavior.

Ends DON'T justify means.

There is NO HONOR in Doreanism."
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YOU ARE SO FULL OF SH*T. YOU CAME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT I DIDN'T SAY. I NEVER SAID THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS NOR DID I INFER THAT. IN EVERY LOAN, THE LENDER OWES YOU, THE BORROWER. THEY NEVER PAY YOUR DEPOSIT BACK, & ARE GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, SO THE LENDER IS NEVER STIFFED AS YOU HAVE SO STUPIDLY CONCLUDED. KEEP ON KEEPING ON, MR. MASTER OF TWIST. 12 PEOPLE REFINANCED, OUT OF 5,000 APPROX., NOT EXACTLY A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ANYWAY. THE MAJORITY OF CLIENTS NEVER EVEN GOT PARTIAL JUSTICE BACK. KEEP ON DEFENDING THE WRONG SIDE ON THIS MORAL ISSUE. IT WILL ONLY BITE YOU IN THE ASS IN THE END.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "My Attorney said he has never seen such a poorly written trust."

JUST A JUDGMENT CALL, NO SPECIFICS OF HOW TO IMPROVE IT? NOT EXACTLY SOMETHING I WOULD ACCEPT WITH NO EFFECTIVE CRITICSM.

neodemes said...

moogie raved:

"I THINK NEO IS STILL WORKING ON HIS FIRST HOUSE & STILL TRYING TO GET IT THROUGH ILLEGAL TRESSPASSING & ADVERSE POSSESSION. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GETTING BANK FINANCING & HE CAN'T FIND ANY SELLER FINANCING, (MIGHT BE A TRUST ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW) & HE HAS NO LEGAL TITLE TO A PROPERTY IN HIS NAME, SO WHAT ARE WE TO THINK? I THINK YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD, WHEN YOU SAID, HE IS A "WANTOBE". THAT ABOUT SUMS EVERYTHING UP. HE'S TOO BUSY MOCKING OTHERS TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, THAT HE HAS NO TIME TO WORK ON HIMSELF OR HIS OWN FINANCIAL GOALS."

Man, now your just making shit up as you go, moogie.

Conjecture or bald-face lie?

neodemes said...

moogie sez:

"12 PEOPLE REFINANCED, OUT OF 5,000 APPROX., NOT EXACTLY A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ANYWAY."

The PLAN was for all 5,000 (is that really the number) to refi and give 75% of their refi away to Dorean (greedy bastards that they are).

You, yourself, as a Dorean broker would get 25% of the pie - pretty good incentive to push the program.

You pretend this is all about fighting banks. Follow the money and we find your true motives.

I can't wait to see you added to the defendant list.

neodemes said...

Does the word 'Timber' mean anything to you, moogie?

mogel said...

Nemo said: "I can't wait to see you added to the defendant list."

AS FRUIT WOULD SAY, THIS IS YOUR FRUIT. YOUR REAL INTENTIONS INDICATED HERE. PURE HATRED & SPITE. MAKES SENSE TO ME.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Does the word 'Timber' mean anything to you, moogie?"

YES. I SUGGEST YOU GET OUT OF THE WAY.

neodemes said...

You need to check your own hate and spite meter, brother.

You've been pretty ornery lately.

Timber to subtle? Try Timberline.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "You pretend this is all about fighting banks. Follow the money and we find your true motives."

IF YOU FOLLOWED THE MONEY, YOU WOULD SEE I GOT 0 OF ANY REFINANCES, OH IGNORNANT ONE. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE IS TRYING TO REFINANCE AT THIS POINT, COULD BE WRONG ON THAT THOUGH. SELLING THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGMENTS IS THE BETTER WAY. WHETHER I MORALLY SUPPORT WHAT IS BEING DONE IS IRRELEVANT. THE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGMENTS WILL BE SOLD REGARDLESS OF WHAT I THINK OR YOU THINK. SO RANT ON MR. IGNORAMUS. THANK-YOU FOR SHOWING YOUR TRUE INTENTIONS. IT'S ALL ABOUT ENVY, JEALOUSY & SPITE AFTER ALL. NOT EXACTLY BECOMING OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN IS IT? COURSE, EVEN FRUIT SAYS SHE'LL PRAY FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?

mogel said...

Nemo: Timber to subtle? Try Timberline.

MY,MY!!!! AREN'T YOU CLEVER & WITTY TODAY. BIG DEAL. GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT.

neodemes said...

No shots are loaded, good buddy.

Just remember when you go mouthing off about who owns what, you better have facts, not freakin' lies.

neodemes said...

"IF YOU FOLLOWED THE MONEY, YOU WOULD SEE I GOT 0 OF ANY REFINANCES, OH IGNORNANT ONE."

So, that's how it worked out, perhaps, BUT, had the Dorean process actually worked as promised, folks WOULD have had free & clear title and refied slick as shit, with no intention of honoring the refi, and giving you and Kurt a total of 75% of their loan.

The fact that your scheme failed and you got zip (other than the upfront fees, paid for no results) doesn't absolve you or prove intentions other than personal gain.

I'll be happy to pray for you, moog.

I don't hate you, I just hate yor actions and your continued justification of same and lack of repentence.

neodemes said...

repentance

mogel said...

Nemo said: "No shots are loaded, good buddy.

Just remember when you go mouthing off about who owns what, you better have facts, not freakin' lies."
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FINE. THEN PROVE IT. POST TITLE TO YOUR HOUSE. SHOW ME TO BE THE IDIOT YOU THINK THAT I AM. IF THE TIMBERLINE REMARK WASN'T INTENDED TO BE A LOADED GUN, WHY BRING IT UP THEN? WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE? IF I AM MISUNDERSTANDING YOU, THEN, LET ME BE A LITTLE MORE PATIENT BY TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM YOU? IF I DON'T GET THE INFORMATION, THEN, WHY SHOULDN'T I STAND BY MY COMMENTS?
REPENT SPECIFICALLY OF WHAT NEMO?
WHEN YOU FILED BANKRUPTCY, DID YOU INCLUDE YOUR HOUSE AS ONE OF YOUR ASSETS TO PROVIDE FULL DISCLOSURE ON THE RECORD? WHAT DATE DID YOU FILE BANKRUPTCY? WHAT DATE DID YOU PURCHASE YOUR HOUSE? WHAT DATE DID YOU START YOUR INTERNET WEBSITE ON REAL ESTATE? LET'S ALL TRY TO GET TO KNOW YOU BETTER, OK? YOU SAY THAT IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT YOU OWN, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE TO LOOK OTHER THAN THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE ON WHO OWNS WHAT? YOUR STATEMENT IS INTRIGUING & CONFUSING AT THE SAME TIME. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT STATEMENT OF YOURS. IF YOU TRULY OWN SOMETHING & HAVE LEGAL TITLE, WOULDN'T THE PROPERTY BE IN YOUR NAME? OR DOES SOMEONE ELSE OWN YOUR HOUSE & HAVE LEGAL TITLE? IF SO, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT?

ALSO WHY IS THE QUEST FOR PERSONAL GAIN SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REPENTED OF? THE DOREAN PROCESS IN THEORY & UPON SUCCESS, MAKES EVERYONE RICH. IS THAT BAD IN YOUR MIND? YOUR DEMEANING WORDS OF "GREEDY BASTARDS" IS REALLY NOT APPLICABLE IF CLIENTS & BROKERS ALL BECOME MILLIONAIRES, IS IT NOT? OF MAYBE YOU JUST HAVE A PERVERTED VIEW ON WEALTH & THINK THAT ALL RICH PEOPLE ARE PERVERTED SELFISH & GREEDY BASTARDS.

neodemes said...

IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE TO LOOK OTHER THAN THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE ON WHO OWNS WHAT?

All you have to do is look in the right county, genius.

Kind of like the property you claim you put into the process. I'm pretty sure it isn't a lot number, right? So, where is it? Post your title. You are the one promoting the process and claiming how righteous it is.

YOUR STATEMENT IS INTRIGUING & CONFUSING AT THE SAME TIME. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT STATEMENT OF YOURS. IF YOU TRULY OWN SOMETHING & HAVE LEGAL TITLE, WOULDN'T THE PROPERTY BE IN YOUR NAME?

Yep. Keep looking. You'll find it, eventually.

ALSO WHY IS THE QUEST FOR PERSONAL GAIN SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REPENTED OF?

Who said repent of quest for personal gain, spinmeister?

Repent of misleading people, and continuing to mislead people.

THE DOREAN PROCESS IN THEORY & UPON SUCCESS, MAKES EVERYONE RICH.

In Theory, huh? Upon success?

Y'all advertised a PROVEN METHOD OF ELIMINATING YOUR MORTGAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Y'all advertised a PROVEN METHOD OF ELIMINATING YOUR MORTGAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, HOWEVER, YOU ENJOY REPETITION. THE DISCHARGE OF MORTGAGE OR DEED OF RECONVEYANCE IS PROOF OF THE SUCCESS OF THE PROCESS. NOW, IT'S OUR TURN TO PROVE THAT THOSE RECORDINGS DESERVE TO STAND AS RECORDED, DESPITE THE BAD BEHAVIOUR OF THE LENDERS. I STILL STAND BY THE "PROVEN METHOD" STATEMENT. WE BOTH HAVE A DIFFERENT PARADIGM. COURSE YOU THINK THAT KURT TRIVILIZES THE SACRIFICE OF OUR SAVIOUR BY STANDING BY A WORTHY CAUSE. HOW STUPID IS THAT OR HOW UNFAIR IS THAT, OR HOW PICKY IS THAT OR HOW JUDGMENTAL IS THAT, OR HOW WRONG IS THAT? I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS. I THINK YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO FIGHTING ABORTION. MAYBE YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SOME GOOD THERE. I'M GLAD YOU AREN'T MY JUDGE.

mogel said...

Y'all advertised a PROVEN METHOD OF ELIMINATING YOUR MORTGAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I STILL STAND BY THAT STATEMENT.