Monday, June 12, 2006

A Day in Court

The action filed as a superseding indictment is an in rem (property claim) claim against the all caps fictional trust operating as a strawman in commerce. It can be no other way. Judge Alsup refused to put my name on the indictment as a natural man because that would move us into law. Law is men under oath. No fiction can take an oath. Judge Alsup is precluded from being an article III judge because of the contracts he is under. He pays taxes meaning he has been revenued to article I under admiralty by contract. He has accepted private Federal Reserve Note that diminish his compensation and capacity to remain in article III. He’s been revenued. He is no longer paid by the people under US Treasury dollars and has lost his unbiased quality at law. He can only mediate contracts. They respond to these challenges with a smirk and chuckle but no fact. The best way to hide evil is to accuse your enemy of the same thing. These guys have no law, just force. I challenged him on this point and he pointed to force, not capacity. They have a slick game but I won’t play. Christ in me knows the truth and has no fear of their force. Even to my own destruction I desire Christ to show Himself strong. There is but one more chance for truth to appear voluntarily or it will be forced upon the liar. What happens in this fed court is no different than any other judge across the land. They are all frauds outside the 4 corners of the Constitution. Only by your acceptance can they justify their behavior. This is a wicked folly Christ abhors. This one case Christ in me says no more. What does He say in your cases across the land? I don’t think His voice changes.

32 comments:

you will know them by their fruit said...

I can just see Christ in front of Pilot now, "My name is in all caps--Ha, Ha- gotta let me go!"

Kurt you clearly don't know how the Lord operates. It is not a surprise as you have been trying to define Him in your own terms as it pleases your will.

God will not honor your fraud.

down but not out said...

Hey SOP, and WILL,

These guys hate Bush as much as you do. Political hatered makes strange bedfellows.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50619

mogel said...

Fruit said: "God will not honor your fraud."

FRUIT DO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT GOD WILL HONOR THE FRAUD OF THE LENDERS? DO YOU THINK THE END SCENARIO WILL BE A DRAW OR IS ONE SIDE RIGHT & THE OTHER SIDE IS WRONG? wHICH IS IT? DON'T YOU THINK CHRIST IS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER? OR IS YOUR CHRIST JUST APATHETIC?

AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENT ABOUT CHRIST BEING BEFORE PILOT, & SAYING THE SILLY THING YOU SAID, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE STRAWMAN SCENARIO WAS SET UP IN THOSE DAYS TOO THE EXACT WAY IT IS SET UP TODAY? TELL ME THAT YOU ARE KIDDING. JESUS IN FRONT OF PILOT ONLY CONFIRMED THE TRUTH WHAT HE SAID THAT HE WAS THE SON OF GOD IN THE FLESH. HE DIDN'T TRY TO DEFEND HIMSELF BY SOPHISTRY AGAINST A CORRUPT JUDGE & DIDN'T WANT TO GO INTO PILOT'S DOMAIN & JURISDICTION BY TALKING OR ARGUING OR ACCEPTING HIS WICKED JUDGESHIP & JURISDICTION. KIND OF SIMILIAR TO WHAT KURT IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH & SHOW. APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T SEE THE SIMMILARITIES BECAUSE YOU ARE DEAF, BLIND & LAME. I THINK YOU NEED A HEALING. JESUS NEVER ACCEPTED PILOT'S JURISDICTION. JESUS ALREADY KNEW WHO HE WAS & THAT HE WAS JUDGE OF ALL. NO ONE CAN JUDGE THE GOD OF THIS EARTH, NOT EVEN PILOT. GOD'S KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS EARTH, BUT IS A SPIRITUAL KINGDOM THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CORRUPTION, INJUSTICE & STUPIDITY.

KYHOOYA said...

Bush! Ha! Now thats a joke of a different color. This should have everyone taking a good look at the dear head cheif a good long look. How is it that a Father & Son become the president the odds must be staggering or a lotto winning ticket and to do so within only 1 8yr term has got to be..... ?

FIXED!

tHEN LOOK AT AL THE POWER THAT HE HAS PUT IN PLACE IN SHORT ORDER AND THAT SHOULD RAISE A RED FLAG ABOUT THE REAL JOB HE'S DOING.

LOOK AT THE FACT'S, ONE EXAMPLE FOR YOU IS, IN A VOTING TOWN OF ONLY 635 REG VOTERS HOW IS IT THAT HE (bUSH) GOT OVER 4000 VOTES AND YET HE STILL IN OFFICE.

We have been soooo.. railroaded it's is good sign of how many people have there head's shoved in the sand or have been so snowed in there info ,news, school's, or every where you turn that the truth when it dose come out is easy to clowd over as some sort of crazy &^$^%&* and they just go on there way doing what ever they want with no one to answer.

IT IS SO MUCH THE JOKE.
"WE THE PEOPLE"

WHERE ,WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE BECASE THE GOV. IS RUNNING WITHOUT ANY CHECK OR BAL.

Rememeber there is no perfect Goverment and that includes ours the fact is that with power comes coruption and without the PEOPLE to keep it in check ... welll.. I would think you no the rest.

Been a long time now sense the country has had a big up set like some of our folks folks had to deal with were way over do for something.

light1rae said...

Could not of said it better mogel!

:)

KYHOOYA said...

you will know them by their fruit said...
I can just see Christ in front of Pilot now, "My name is in all caps--Ha, Ha- gotta let me go!"

hEY FRUITCAKE GIVE IT A REST. THE ONLY THING YOUR DOING HERE IS VENTING YOUR OWN FRUSTRATION. YOUR NOT HERE TO SAVE ANYONE FROM GETTING HURT BY THIS PROCESS THEY CAN'T IF YOU HAVE READ SO YOU JUST KEEP TELLING YOUR SELF HAW NOBBLE YOU ARE AND ALL THAT.
AND STOP TELLING HOW "GOD" OR "THE LORD" LOOKS AT THIS OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT KNOW THAT AS COULD ANYONE SO SPEEK FOR YOURSELF AND THAT IT .

NOW GO ON AND POINT THAT FINGER WERE SOME ONE MADE YOU LOSE YOUR HOUSE AND IYT'S ALL THERE FAULT THAT YOU DID

YOU WERE SITTING GOOD BEFORE YOU GOT INTO THE DOREAN GAME RIGHT? YA RIGHT!

WHEN YOU POINT YOUR FINGER AT SOMEONE ELES REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE THREE FINGERS POINTING BACK AT YOUR SELF, SO WHO CASTTING THE STONE'S ANYWAY?

KYHOOYA said...

HEY Kurt & Scott keep up the good work. at least someone is willing to fight.

the rest all want the prize but don't want to draw the eye to themselfs for fear that there closet door might be opened and all that is hidden would have to be answered for.



we all sould take out an add in the local paper that exposes the judge Alsoupy for his coruption or at least his non-par and that he should not be sitting on this case. if you print it people will see and they have to answer to it for it.

one of many thing "WE THE PEOPLE" can do to start taking back this contry from the powers that miss use it.


Hang in there you have supporters.

Truth or Bust said...

Kurt, I appreciate your posts. There are a lot of people pulling for you. Keep the faith. Also, how can I get a private letter to you, do you have a seperate email address or a postal address?

WillToFight said...

Down But Not Out

It is not Bush that is hated so much. It is this system of Tyranny that they are attempting to place over the entire world that I hate. Bush is the idiot that would go along with the madness. It could be Clinton or anyone else there. If they are not for the people, then I am against them.

We must for our own sake get away from Dem/Rep.

I guess you agree with them?!?!?!

WillToFight said...

Kahooya

You know what's up!

WillToFight said...

DBNO

I posted this weeks ago! People need to wake up!


THE NEW WORLD DISORDER

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Bush sneaking North American
super-state without oversight?
Mexico, Canada partnership underway
with no authorization from Congress


Also people should give opinion (educated) on this site

This site was posted by ACE!
www.nesara.us

Very interesting to say the least, but should be considered by as many folk as possible.

WillToFight said...
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WillToFight said...

According to Nesara the whole of any current administration as well as congress and senate to the supreme court has abrogated they're constitutional responsibility since 1933 and really since 1912, and all should be thrown out of office, regardless of party.

As a matter of fact a "party" is unconstitutional!

If you study this by looking at fact (Neo, Fruit, Just) you might see that it is true. That the people need to wake up.

They don't care about Religion, Color, etc. etc. it is your Labor translate to they're wealth that is sought after!

son of a prophet said...

interesting story about how a pastor has a dream about a 9.2 quake rocking Portland, OR on june 18th.


the pastor corrctly quotes from Acts about "...in the last days your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall have visions..."

However, he quotes errantly (from Deuteronomy) on the pastors burden to warn everyone in that area
about the quake.

ie., if he fails to warn the ppl, he will be under judgment form God, and if he does warn and it does not come to pass, he will be branded a false prophet.

this is again where ppl confuse the mixing of the OT and NT.

as we live in the NT, he is not obligated to tell of his dreams; not to say taht he shouldnt, not to say that any would believe him anyway outside his own congregeation, but in any case he would not be udner judgmenet from god for not telling. if we were living in the days of Deuteronomy, he would be under judgment, but then again, god would have made it perfectly clear what God had said,there would be no doubt, so there would be no chance of him being a false prophet. also, he wold have had a book in the bible,as there were no dime a dozen prophets in those days. they were clearly numbered; ezedkiel, daniel, jeremaih, joel, etc.....

here is the story for those who wish to read it...

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Warning for Oregon and west coast - June 17th to 18th, 2006 is the day this is supposed to happen.


A Warning for the People of the Willamette Valley



By: Lloyd Day, Pastor

Beth Tefilah Messianic Congregation

Salem, Oregon

May 2006



I must admit that I’m just a little bit bewildered. I have been saved for 42 years now. I have not been a person to experience a lot of dreams or visions. In the early 90’s I had a dream that I would consider, a spiritual dream. It dealt with the treasures in the Word of God. I have shared it often to encourage people to get into the Word. I had another dream in October 2005. This was a dream that I felt had great prophetic significance. I have been fairly silent about this dream because I did not consider myself to be a prophet. I have also been fairly critical of those who do claim to be prophets because most of them just don’t seem to measure up to what the Word of God says a prophet should be like. I have just had another dream that tells me that I am no longer to keep silent. You will understand this more as we go through this. So as I share this dream with you, I do so in the spirit of Acts 2:17-21 which is a quote by Peter from Joel 2:28-32. One phrase in this passage says, “And your old men shall dream dreams.”



A Dream of Judgment - Late October 2005



I was struggling with praying for the hurricane victims. I certainly want to pray for those who are suffering through this ordeal but at the same time I see all these things as judgments from God. My real prayer is that this country will wake up and realize that this is a judgment from God and repent of their evil ways. As I watched the aftermath of Katrina, I saw the enormous devastation and the very first business to open back up was a tavern. I also understand that there was a Gay Pride Parade scheduled for New Orleans for after the hurricane. The promoters of this parade went ahead with it anyway. They were in a sense making an obscene gesture at God, just defying Him to try that again. These are suppose to be poor abused victims? What is it going to take before the people of this country realize the seriousness of what they are doing? How many more people have to die or loose everything?



As I contemplated on these things, my mind shifted to here in Oregon. I heard a knock on my door and when I went to answer it, there were two men standing there. They looked like ordinary men but I had never seen them before. There was something different about them, although I couldn’t put my finger on it. There was one interesting thing, however. Whenever anyone comes up on our porch and knocks on the door, our dog will start barking very loudly. This time she didn’t. They told me that I had to gather my emergency things and get out of town as soon as possible. I stood there stunned for a moment. They said that God was going to bring judgment on this area. Then my mind shifted to the two angelic beings that warned Lot to get out of Sodom. I asked them if we had time to warn our family and friends, and they said to go ahead. I had my wife start calling while I went out and started packing emergency things into my pickup. These two men came out and started helping me. These men were very fast and efficient packers. Some of the things I was packing in, they grabbed and threw to one side. I could tell by the urgency in their actions that this was no time to argue with them.



As we concluded the packing of the pickup, one of the men left and came back in a couple of minutes leading my wife and dog and they both literally pushed us into the pickup. We had previously arranged with our family and members of our congregation for a meeting place incase there was ever an emergency and we had to evacuate. These men told us to head out for our pre-arranged meeting place and not to stop for anything. I always keep my gas tanks as close to full as possible so we didn’t have any excuse for stopping.



It took us about and hour and fifteen minutes to get to the meeting place. We weren’t sure of what to do next so we started setting up a camp. After about twenty minutes someone from our congregation came in and joined us. Over the next two hours, more people in our congregation and family members arrived. After a little while, we felt a small trembling in the ground. We all kind of just looked at each other. We turned on a small radio to see if we could find out anything. We heard a report that a major earthquake had hit Portland and that major damage had occurred. The report also said that Bonneville Dam had collapsed because of the quake and that a wall of water was rushing down the Columbia toward Portland.



My thought now shifted to where I was above all of this watching it all take place. There was a big Gay Pride Parade going on in downtown Portland when the earthquake hit and buildings came tumbling down on all of those there. Portland was in total devastation. I’m not sure just how big the earthquake was but the number of 9.2 seems significant. There was also a major earthquake off the west coast that started a tsunami. Not too long after the quake in Portland, a wall of water from the collapse of the Bonneville Dam came rushing through Portland. A little while latter another wall of water from the tsunami came up the Columbia River and it also came rushing through Portland.



Salem was also totally leveled by the earthquake. The loss of life in the whole Willamette Valley was enormous. As I looked around Salem, I saw a group of men. I think that there was about twenty of them. They all had large automatic weapons. I had the feeling that they were terrorists but I’m not sure. There were a few survivors wandering around, dazed from their injuries from the earthquake. Whenever this group of men came upon anyone wandering around, they would kill them. They seemed to be looking for anyone they could kill. There was no one to come against them. Finally, after a long while, some National Guard troops came on the scene but this gang had killed a lot of people by this time and when they saw the troops, they just faded into the rubble and escaped.



Later as I thought through this, I tried to identify something that would give us an idea of the date it was going to take place. The only thing that I could identify was that there was a large gay pride parade in downtown Portland when the earthquake hit. So I set about to try and find out when the next big gay pride parade was scheduled in Portland. The answer to that came back as June 18th, which is Father’s Day. We set about to plan a congregation picnic that day at a campground about 60 miles East of Salem. Prior to my dream, we had already had an emergency planning meeting about the place out there. We learned that the place we planned to meet was now blocked off so we selected another site nearby. We wanted to stay in that area because the two men that came to my house in the dream said that we were to go to the area we had already arranged for.



As the days clicked off, we went about our normal activities and doing some planning for the big June 18th day. One day someone called who heard about my dream and said that Detroit Lake was not a good place. We should select somewhere else. As I carefully thought about this, I realized that God had already given us His stamp of approval through the two men who came to my door. They told us to flee to our predetermined location. There was nothing said about changing locations at that time.



Just a few days ago, someone came by and said that they had done some checking on the gay pride activities at that time. They said that there were major activities as well as parades scheduled for both the 17th (Saturday) and the 18th (Sunday). They suggested that we increase our campground reservations from one day to two. This is not that easy to do. I began asking my Heavenly Father what to do. This now sets the stage for my latest dream.



A Dream of Confirmation - May 11, 2006



One thing I’ve learned about a dream from God, you are so actively involved in the dream that there is no way to forget it when it is over.



In this dream, there was a very strange shape being assembled. It was like a cylinder that had a very irregular shape. There were a lot of pieces on the table next to it. They reminded me of jigsaw puzzle pieces and yet they were nothing like puzzle pieces. There were no tabs or offsetting cutouts. There were no patterns or changing colors so that you could match them up with where they went. There was no way to identify any markings so that you could figure out where they went. You just had to take each piece and try it and keep trying it until you found a place it would fit. I was getting very frustrated because of the difficulty of this. Finally, in complete desperation, I cried out, “Father, what am I suppose to be doing?” No answer. Then again, “Father, what am I doing here?” After several attempts with no answer, I heard a voice say, “Shmoneh Esrei.”



“Shmoneh Esrei!!!!” What am I suppose to do with that? I knew that the Shmoneh Esrei was a list of prayers that have been a part of the Jewish Synagogue service for the past 1800 years. But what am I suppose to do with it. How does it fit in with what I am involved in with assembling this cylinder?



Have you ever been involved in a research project of some kind where the material was very difficult to understand. At some point in your studies you all of a sudden “get it.” You start rejoicing and dancing around. This is kind of what happened next for me. I suddenly realized that “Shmoneh Esrei” is also the Hebrew word for the number eighteen. I had been asking the Father to show me the date for this Father’s Day outing. I needed to know whether it was just the 18th or both the 17th and the 18th. He just showed me that it was the 18th only.



I entered into rejoicing and praising His Holy Name when all of a sudden my bubble popped. Why did He do that? I was already on a course of obedience for the 18th. If He had done nothing, I would have continued on my course of preparing for the 18th. He must have had some specific reason for showing me. I prayed on this for some time and then it came to me. When God repeats something it is because it is determined by Him. He wanted me to tell people about this. WHAT!!!!!!!



I was trying to maintain a low key profile on this. I said that I wasn’t a prophet and I didn’t want to give the impression that I was trying to set myself up as one. Now all of a sudden I realize that He wants me to warn the people of the Willamette Valley with what He has shown me. My first response was, “You’ve got to be kidding!” Then all of a sudden Ezekiel 3:17-21 came to mind. “Son of man, I have appointed you a watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, warn them from Me. 18 "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself. 20 "Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 "However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself." (See also Ezekiel 33:8 & 9).



Talk about being in the hot seat. I am literally trembling in my shoes. If I speak up and nothing happens then I emerge as a false prophet and if I don’t speak up and something does happen then the curse that I just quoted in Ezekiel falls on me. I guess I’ll just trust in my Heavenly Father and freely share with you what He has shown me.



Now, lest I be accused of taking passages out of context, let’s take a careful look at the passages in Ezekiel and ask the question, “What are these people being warned of?” Are they being warned to flee from the coming judgment? No. They are being warned to flee from their wicked ways or they will not escape the coming judgment. Therefore, we are to warn the people of the Willamette Valley to flee from their wicked ways or they will be caught up in the judgment of June 18th.



Why has little tiny Beth Tefilah been called out to proclaim this message? Because Beth Tefilah is one of just a few congregations that openly proclaims the total Word of God. We openly proclaim that the Torah is very much relevant for today in terms what is righteous living. Many churches proclaim that the Law (Torah) has been done away with. Beth Tefilah (as well as other Messianic congregations) proclaims that only the penalty of the Torah has been done away with while the Torah itself as a true guide for daily righteous living is still very much alive and well. If you are not sure just where you stand let me encourage you to contact one of the Messianic congregations in this area and talk it out with them. I will be happy to give out names and phone numbers to anyone who asks.



Now obviously, there is not enough room in this little handout to cover every detail of what it will take to escape the coming wrath of God so we will just cover some of the key issues.



The first and top priority for every man, woman, and young person on the face of this earth is to deal with their relationship with Yeshua (the Hebrew name for Jesus.) If you don’t have a personal relationship with Yeshua, then nothing else you do matters. Acts 4:12 says, “"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” There is no salvation in any pious religious leader, there is salvation in no good sounding code of ethics. There is not even salvation in keeping the Torah. If you do not have salvation in Yeshua, then you do not have salvation. John 3:36 goes on to say, “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” This is not me saying this, it is the Word of God. If you call me to talk about anything in this handout, we will start with your relationship with Yeshua. Without that we have nowhere else to go.



The next logical step is to move into the Ten Commandments. I have had many people proudly announce to me that they live by the Ten Commandments. When I quiz them a little further I find out that they don’t even know where to find the Ten Commandments in the Word of God. Just to help you out if you happen to be in that category, I will tell you where to find them. They are listed in two places. The first is in Exodus 20:1-17 and the other place is in Deuteronomy 5:6-21. Others who claim to live by the Ten Commandments don’t even know what is contained in them. Let’s list them and see just how much about them you really know.

Ex 20:2-17



#1 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

"You shall have no other gods before Me.

#2 " You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 " You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

#3 " You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.

#4 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 " Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 " For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

#5 " Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.

#6 " You shall not murder.

#7 " You shall not commit adultery.

#8 " You shall not steal.

#9 " You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

#10 " You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."



We could get into a real discussion about each one of these but we don’t have the time or the space to do it here. Let me just draw your attention to number 4. This involved keeping the Sabbath holy. We are not talking about what day you go to church on, we are talking about what you do on the Sabbath (Saturday). Do you treat it as a holy day or do you profane it by treating it just like any other day of the week. Do you set it apart as a separate day or do you mow your lawn and any number of other odd jobs.



At this point we could go in any number of directions, but let me just refer you to Acts 15. In the early days of the church, the church consisted of only Jewish believers. There were no gentiles. In Acts 10, the Holy Spirit of God led Peter to the house of Cornelius where the grace of God was freely extended to the non-Jews. As time passed many non-Jews came to faith in Yeshua. Many started coming along with a perverted sense of what these former pagans needed to do to truly be considered believers in Yeshua. To clarify all of the confusion that was developing, the leaders called the first “Church” counsel. The question they needed to deal with was “What do we do with all of these former pagans that want to believe in the Jewish Messiah?” The leaders in Jerusalem realized that the most important thing these new believers could do would be to go where they could study the Torah. That, of course, was done every Shabbat in the synagogue. The problem was, that the Jews would have nothing to do with the pagans because of their evil lifestyles. So what instructions could these leaders give to these new believers so that they would be acceptable to the Jews so that they could get in and study the Torah? In Acts 15:19-21, Ya'akov (James) addresses the assembly and says, “Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. If these new believers would do these four minimum things, they would be considered acceptable to the Jews. Ya'akov continues in verse 21 with, "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath." They could now be taught the Torah on a weekly basis.



My concern now is that you get to where you can sit under the teachings of the Torah on a weekly basis. The only places that I am aware of that is committed to this are the Messianic congregations. This is of the utmost importance for you. DO NOT accept any substitute.



So how can you prepare for June 18th? On Friday, the 16th, make sure that your vehicle is fully gassed up. Make sure that you have some cash on hand. If this earthquake actually happens, your bank will probably not be accessible for at least a week. Do not rely on Credit Cards. If the devastation was as complete as I saw in my dream, there won’t be anyone around that will accept a Credit Card.



Load up at least a weeks worth of food and water and a shelter and leave. If Father’s Day ends without anything happening then praise God and return home. If something does happen then you can praise God again because you are safe. You can survey the situation and determine what your options are.

LD

Beth Tefilah Messianic Congregation

P.O. Box 4189 – Salem, OR 97302

Meeting at: Shekina Fellowship

2765 Broadway St. NE

Salem, OR 97303

(503) 393-0796 www.bethtefilah.net

day_tefilah@yahoo.com

son of a prophet said...

link to the above...

after a day or two, i will delete the article to save space.



http://www.bethtefilah.net/
blank?pageid=14&catstart
=0&prodstart=0

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mogel said...

SOP: It's quite disturbing that the prophet you referred to who had a dreamn thinks that the quake & devestation in Portland will happen in a few days. I don't know who I should be more afraid of--the government that incites fear in us for their own designs, or possible false prophets that set dates out of pure speculation. His way of coming up with the date on Father's Day doesn't sound very Godly inspired to me. My opinion though. I have friends living in Portland. A quake of over 9 is almost unimagineable the devasation it would cause. Let's hope that he is wrong in his dates, although I don't doubt at all that such events are coming in our generation of time, but predicting exact dates just makes me skeptical. Not saying though, that this man doesn't actually believe what he is saying. If he is correct, then I delete my opinion.

WillToFight said...

The real v the other Nesara Act

http://nesara.org/articles/
the_real_nesara.htm

http://www.nesara.us

correction to mylast post about this. However, one is real the other I don't know. Both sound good. One must and needs to work.

Check it out

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

Why would you even listen to a man who by your own interpretation of scripture is not guided by the HS.
This man follows the entire word and believes that the Law(Torah) was not done away with and applies today to all believers in Yeshua.
Why would you even pay attention to a poor soul who is trapped into following the burdensome law of the mean ol' Old Testament God. Why, isn't he a Judaiser who is trying to garner Gods merit by works and not faith and has ignored the grace of Yeshua?

This man is an obviouse false prophet who is ignoring the HS

LOL

WillToFight said...

More about Nesara. Yeah it looked good at first glance. Still it looks good, but which is real?


I guess it is old news to many?

American Free Press January 17, 2005
NESARA: Too Good to Be True? Maybe Not...
By John Tiffany

http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.
org/AmericanFreePress/AFPNewsJan05.
htm#anchor24581



Monetary changes promise prosperity for all
NESARA proposal does away with Federal Reserve, income tax


WND Exclusive Monetary changes promise prosperity for all
NESARA proposal does away with Federal Reserve, income tax

Posted: March 9, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.
asp?ARTICLE_ID=43209

It is cetainly something to follow!

Peanut Gallery said...

Will,
I doubt that the Gov't would ever do away with the incone tax. Why, it is one of their largest systems of social engineering and power.

son of a prophet said...

mogel,

i dont know if he will be right or not; we know that stuff like this is coming soon.

on the day he predicts???

IF i were to bet on it, i would say not on THAT day, BUT soon.

what he himself fails to realize is that IF he were a real prophet, there would be no doubt in his own mind. thus he cannot be a real prophet.

can he have dreams and visions? yes, but that does not make him a prophet, altho some will dream events that will come to pass accordig to Acts.


pg, yo luv to misquote me. i nefer said that the law was done away with, just that christians are not under the law.

but hang on, soon the whole world will be under the gospel of the kingdom, or, as you know it, THE LAW, as in, there is a new marshall in town, or maybe as in MARTIAL LAW.....lol

doreanbullshit said...

The Dorean Groupand CCR and all the rest of the marketing groups are scam artists and I know first hand because I had my property in their program and let me tell you that if I had listened to them I would have lost my house. I never stopped making payments and a friend of mine who is a lawyer got me my property back. These people do not care about the $3,000 dollars that they scam out of people or the fact that they never had one true success. They started marketing a product that was only half finished. Kurt and his Jesus Christ bullshit. Cut the fake religious crap. It gets really old man. I read your posts and I can't even understand what the hell you are talking about. Why don't you just post a straight answer to peoples questions and stop bullshitting everyone and telling them that their is a chance that people will have a free and clear mortgage and get money back. It is not going to happen. Wake up people and do what you have to do to get your house back. These guys don't give a shit what they do for money and then try to cover it up with their bible bullshit. Also, Farrell and Guy from CCR are some of the biggest jackass's I have ever met. Farrell thinks he is right about everything and he knows all. He is a little fucking weasel and then Guy would get on those phone calls and tell people to sign up and put their house in the program and he doesn't even have his house in the program. He didn't even own a house, he rented. What the fuck. Do yourself a favor people and don't believe shit these people say. Everything they have promised has never happened. Every week Kurt says how he is going to crush the Attorney General and Judge Alsup, well go ahead and crush them. But what happens, nothing.He is still sitting in jail. Explain that.

god said...

DoreanB.S. said....

"Kurt and his Jesus Christ bullshit. Cut the fake religious crap."

IF I HAD A NICKEL FOR EVERY TIME I READ THIS ON THIS BLOG, I'D BE RICH!!! OH, THATS RIGHT, I AM!!!!!
LOL!!!!!! GRMMMMM UH, THAT IS ALL.

god said...

HAVN'T YOU READ IN MY WORD:

Psalms 2:4,5

But the one who rules in heaven LAUGHS (LOL!!!).
The Lord scoffs at them (kings, leaders, rulers, judges, conspiring men, guys who spend all day on the internet making ignorant and foolish comments, etc.).

5
Then in anger he rebukes them,
terrifying them with his fierce fury.

BE CAREFUL, THE TERRIFYING REBUKE FOLLOWS THE LAUGHTER!!! THAT IS ALL!!!

papertiger said...

You can bitch all you want, DoreanBullShit, you don't own your property anyway; the bank could care less about your petty personal problems re: Dorean- their only wish for you is to be a good slave. What they wish for you they wish for every American. At least Kurt and Scott did not wish that for you.

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP said,

pg, yo luv to misquote me. i nefer said that the law was done away with, just that christians are not under the law.


Typical fashion for you SOP, you never answer a direct question, you just harp on and on as to how I put words in your mouth or misquote you.

NO ONE was/is/or ever will be "under " the law. That is how you use simantics to make it sound as if following the impossible, burdensome law was a means of salvation. As if the Torah(misappropriately translated to law)was a crushing weight upon the Jews.
The Torah was given by God to make his people Kodesh (holy) which means set apart. BE Holy(kodesh) for I am Holy. It was and is a means of setting one apart from the world, to distinguish one from the pagan.

People also confuse the terms holy and righteous, they are not interchangeable. The Torah does not make a man righteous, but a righteous man will desire to follow the commandments of God.

You say that Christians are no longer"under' the law ,but will be when messiah comes back. How do you reconcile that. What was once good is no longer good, but will be in the future? Man, the god you follow sure does change his mind alot now doesn't he.

You also like to say the HS trumps the Word. I asked you long ago if the HS can contradict God. In typical fashion you gave some irrelevant bs answer that didn't address the question.

I know, you like to bring out the old misconception that the word can not be trusted because of so many years, and so many translations. This is a red herring as well. The Torah has been meticulously copied from the time it was given to Moses on Sinai. Scolars would spend years copying it down on scrolls. Back this with generations of oral traditions and extra-biblical writings by Josephus, and Philo, just to name a few, the Torah remains intact as it was when it was first given.

So I will ask again, can the H.S or Yeshua contradict the word?

neodemes said...

RE: "their only wish for you is to be a good slave. What they wish for you they wish for every American."


1 Timothy 6


1 Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. 2 If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. 3 Some false teachers may deny these things, but these are the sound, wholesome teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, and they are the foundation for a godly life. 4 Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions. 5 These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they don't tell the truth. To them religion is just a way to get rich.

6 Yet true religion with contentment is great wealth. 7 After all, we didn't bring anything with us when we came into the world, and we certainly cannot carry anything with us when we die. 8 So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content. 9 But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is at the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. 11 But you, Timothy, belong to God; so run from all these evil things, and follow what is right and good. Pursue a godly life, along with faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight for what we believe. Hold tightly to the eternal life that God has given you, which you have confessed so well before many witnesses.

13 And I command you before God, who gives life to all, and before Christ Jesus, who gave a good testimony before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you obey his commands with all purity. Then no one can find fault with you from now until our Lord Jesus Christ returns. 15 For at the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of kings and Lord of lords. 16 He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No one has ever seen him, nor ever will. To him be honor and power forever. Amen. 17 Tell those who are rich in this world not to be proud and not to trust in their money, which will soon be gone. But their trust should be in the living God, who richly gives us all we need for our enjoyment. 18 Tell them to use their money to do good. They should be rich in good works and should give generously to those in need, always being ready to share with others whatever God has given them. 19 By doing this they will be storing up their treasure as a good foundation for the future so that they may take hold of real life. 20 Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge. 21 Some people have wandered from the faith by following such foolishness.May God's grace be with you all.

light1rae said...

I say as always... you’re right NO MORE! As you know Kurt I have been in the lions den like you and have first hand knowledge of what you are going threw.
Everything you have been experiencing is there mode of operation lies on top of lies never getting to the real issues of the case. The system is just plain evil! Thousands of us are praying for you that TRUTH will prevail and you be vindicated.
As for these naysayers that are paid to give misinformation how shall you escape judgement of the TRUTH before your creator. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Exodus 20:16

mogel said...

"slaves should give their masters full respect"

PART OF THAT RESPECT IS SHOWING THEM (THE MASTER) THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS IN LOVE. CAN THEIR BE TRUE MUTUAL RESPECT WHEN ONE IS IN SLAVERY & ONE IS THE UNRULY MASTER? CAN YOU RESPECT SOMEONE AND ALLOW THEM TO REMAIN IN ERROR & SIN? DOES NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST REDEEM YOU FROM THE ERROR & SIN OF THE WORLDLY WORLD?

OR MAYBE, NEMO, YOU THINK THAT SILENCE IS GOLDEN & EVERY REPROACH SHOULD BE TAKEN IN SILENCE WITH NO TEACHING AT ALL?

neodemes said...

Who said anything about mutual respect!?

I suggest you address your questions to Paul.

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