Friday, June 30, 2006

President Notice and Contractual Remedy

NOTICE

The parties, Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman are natural men, sovereigns upon the land in accordance with the Organic contractual binding agreement between the parties known as the Constitution of the United States. This is the law and the four-corners regarding the relationship between the parties. President George W. Bush is the acting Chief Executive Officer for the Organic United States of America functioning at law and the CORPORATE: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO) functioning in the law of contracts. In both offices President George W. Bush has taken an oath of office where he swore by one greater given as confirmation to put an end to all dispute (Heb. 6:16) a fact that he will with all his power, will, and might enforce and uphold the contract known as the Constitution of the United States. Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman hereby make it clear that they have accepted President George W. Bush’s acceptance and Oath to the contract known as the Constitution of the United States and hereby rely upon this acceptance, as a factual representation not meant to be misleading. The contract known as the Constitution of the United States makes it clear that no law can be passed that impairs the right to contract, that all men are equal as to inherent inalienable rights, and that all men are sovereign including their governmental agents when acting in the interest of the sovereigns. No statue, code, or regulation is binding upon the sovereigns except by the commercial mechanism of offer and acceptance. Law known as the Common Law is the social contract between sovereigns upon the land known as America like the Law among Nations is binding among sovereign nations. All men are entitled to life, liberty, and property and are not to be deprived without just compensation or consent. No man be it King or President is above another man at law. LEX-REX v. REX-LEX having been a long settled debate. Rogue Agents under the authority of President George W. Bush are damaging the sovereigns Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman, their contracts are being trespassed, their property stolen, life and liberty impaired and threatened, all under the color of law and the color of authority being completely outside of the binding agreement between the parties known as the Constitution of the United States. No remedy for damages is limited by the Constitution neither is there exemption or immunities by Agents found outside its four-corners. In accordance with the binding agreement between the parties known as the Constitution of the United States and the sovereigns right to contract we provide the contractual remedy for our damages. This is the only contract between the parties for damages and all implied be them known or unknown are quashed by this expressed contract.

HISTORICAL FACTS

The parties, Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman, natural men, began an enterprise known as THE DOREAN GROUP around January 2004, to challenge fraud from a fiduciary capacity relative to their duties within trust documents. There were approximately 4,000 of these family estate trusts that Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman were duty bound fiduciaries. Under these contracts and law Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman, were obligated to discover if the secured interest claimed upon the property within the trust res was a valid claim. Claims were made by various banks, financial institutions, and government service enterprises. The Uniform Commercial Codes, which is binding as to secured transactions among these statutory entities along with the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), created serious doubts about the substance of these claims. Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman developed a contractual remedy to verify and correct the public record. The contractual remedy was simple and precise. Verification consisted of production of the original promissory note unaltered and possessed, and accounting records that materially showed a lawful consideration. If these were not provided the presumed rights, title, and interest executed by agents or fiduciaries was foreclosed. A specific power of attorney for these rogue agents was executed in accordance with the contractual remedy to effect the appropriate changes to the records to comply with fact. All acts were done with full disclosure in accordance with good faith, represented factually, displayed openly, and honest. It is clear that the mortgage industry by their response, and material facts, in cooperation, conspiracy, and conjunction with the government via its service enterprises known as GINNIE MAE, FREDDY MAC, and FANNIE MAE, have created an industry of fraud upon the America people. Mr. Raines now infamous for his deceptive accounting and management style at FANNIE MAE was contacted late in 2004 and informed of the securities fraud his organization was practicing. No response was obtained. The various banks, financial institutions, and government service enterprises began to complain about our remedy to various Attorney Generals of the STATE DIVISIONS OF THE CORPORATE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO) and to agencies DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE and FEDERAL BUREAU of INVESTIGATION. These complaints and the disruption of the status quo led to hostile assaults upon Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman and their enterprise known as THE DOREAN GROUP. Also during this time, by the filing late 2004 of a civil action against 17 said claimants, we received the attention of the judiciary as a protection agent for the status quo. In particular the Judge, William H. Alsup, made it clear that he was a political hack with an agenda to protect this fraud at all cost including the reckless disregard of rights and law. He entered an order for sanctions, formed and published unfounded legal conclusions without merit or fact, and misused his office to refer to Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman for criminal prosecution. He further showed his conflicts and pecuniary interest by taking trial duties. His retirement fund is vested with the equities of the various banks, financial institutions, and government service enterprises he is protecting outside the law. Whether bribes, favors, or incentives have passed is not known but are obviously suspected by the overzealous, unlawful, assault upon truth. Prosecuting agents KEVIN V. RYAN, and JAMES KELLER (DE FACTO) among others have attempted to place burdens of statute upon the sovereigns by deceptive pleadings and by attempting to make sovereigns a pledge, surety, or accommodation party for the fictional vessels of like name (doctrine of Idem Sonans) without contract, disclosure, or consent. Defendants are not the sovereigns, KURT F. JOHNSON and DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN are Cestui Que Trusts, fictitious in nature and vested with the benefits of acting in commerce in the debt based economy of the bankruptcy of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO). These trusts were specifically created for this purpose, are subject to statute, rules, and codes as attachments to the benefits. They can only be prosecuted in admiralty or equity in rem. Prosecutors KEVIN V. RYAN and JAMES KELLER among others are currently fiduciaries for said trusts; have accepted claims on behalf of said trusts; know the difference between the trusts and the sovereigns. They are in breach of their fiduciary and agency as subordinates of the executive President George W. Bush. They are in breach of their oath binding them to the contract known as the Constitution of the United States. They appear to have some self-interest or self-enrichment motive. Regardless of instructions and duties in honor they continue to place the trusts in a delinquent creditor position against the board’s intention to settle all claims in honor. Placing the sovereigns by misnomer as trusts is dishonest, not factual and creates damage by confusion. Sovereigns are currently kidnapped and held against their will by the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE (DE FACTO) through their BOARD OF PRISONS (DE FACTO) in a facility at Dublin California through the force of the US MARSHALS. No amount of reason or fact appears to be able to dissuade these rogue agents from their agenda. All the commercial paper and contracts of THE DOREAN GROUP are held in limbo by these false claims while the sovereigns are vilified in media and commercial venues as fraud perpetrators who eliminated valid security interest. None of these rogue agents have themselves been able to validate any of the claims made against the res of the various family estate trusts by obtaining production of the original promissory note unaltered and possessed, or accounting records that materially show a lawful consideration. Beneficiaries are losing houses by foreclosure of bogus security claims while agents point the finger of blame to the trustee’s honest efforts to obtain truth. These actions further damage the reputations of trustees and undermine the core requirements for this duty: credibility and integrity.

CONTRACTUAL REMEDY

Via your agents KEVIN V. RYAN and JAMES KELLER (DE FACTO) of the US ATTORNEYS office of the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE and MATTHEW ERNST and GORDON C. MCDONALD of the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION both agencies respectively you have trespassed upon 4,000 private contracts to which Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman are parties. Each contract has a commercial value of approximately $10,000,000.00. Your interloper activities are causing us damage of $40,000,000,000.00 which said damage we are willing to accept and offer as consideration under the following terms and conditions.

• That a private trust in the amount of $40,000,000,000.00 be established with the Secretary of the Treasury’s Office identified by registered mail number RAxxxxxx461US
• That Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman are named as trustees and beneficiaries with the sole power to liquidate, hypothecate, or distribute by their respective signatures individually or jointly. That the Secretary of the Treasury will act as a co-trustee, fiduciary and protect the Trust from any assignments, pledges, or disbursements that are not created by Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman as makers.
• That Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman have the right to issue Sight Drafts drawn on Trust funds and to have them sent, honored, and cleared through the Secretary of the Treasury. Drafts are to clearly designate the trust name identified as RAxxxxxx461US. If the Secretary-Co-trustee should dishonor these Sight Drafts in any way, the United States agrees to immediately issue 10-year Treasury Bonds (dishonor bonds) for twice the amount of the remaining trust res. Not to exceed $80,000,000,000.00
• That if the United States fails to issue the dishonor bonds as remedy for the Secretary’s dishonor it agrees to an unopposed claim in the Federal Court of Claims for twice the amount of the bond issue value not to exceed $160,000,000,000.00 payable in gold, chattels or real property only.
• That if the United States should oppose the claim made in the Federal Court of Claims that Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman have the right under strict foreclosure without notice to attach and seize any revenues, taxes, contract benefits, chattels, or real property in the Name of the United States or its agents like the IRS, Secretary of Treasury, but not limited to these alone, until said claim is extinguished.
• That at all times Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman may use the trust res or the escalating damages to back contracts, cover pledges, fund instruments or justify personal bond guarantees, with proper notice given to the Secretary-Co-trustee being the only restriction.
• That the full faith and credit of the United States is assigned and the property of Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman in the amount of this agreement and can be used under reserve and without recourse freely in the commercial marketplace.
• That a facsimile of the Secretary-Co-trustee’s signature can be placed by Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman as an authenticator on any document or instrument related to the use of the trust res account identified as RAxxxxxx461US.
• That this entire agreement can be avoided by a cease and desist of the damages and trespass in the commercial affairs of Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman and compensation of $1,000,000.00 per day for the unlawful incarceration, misprision of justice, kidnapping, and deprivation of liberty beginning with May 28, 2005 for Dale Scott Heineman respectively and July 21, 2005 for Kurt F. Johnson respectively until rectified.
• That the office of the President agrees to apply the power of Pardon to the sovereigns Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman if any of the rogue agent’s damages are allowed to escalate to a criminal conviction of the Cestui Que Trusts KURT F. JOHNSON ad DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN through their manipulation of facts in evidence.
• That if the United States or the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (DE FACTO) wish to invoke their debtor right under the bankruptcy via House Joint Resolution 192 June 5, 1933 they can return this contract with the statement “Accepted for Value, Returned for Value, and Settlement in accordance with but not limited by HJR 192 June 5, 1933, Public Law 73-10 and Public Policy.” If they do not they agree to the creditor’s remedies and waive their exemption forever.
• Failure to cease and desist and to persist in damages will be acceptance by performance to all the above terms and conditions. Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman offer these damages as consideration. Creditor’s rights are exempt from levy, first in priority.

CAVEAT: AT NO TIME DID Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman INTEND, DESIRE, OR CONSENT TO DOING BUSINESS WITH THESE PARTIES OR THEIR AGENTS. THIS CONTRACT IS A REMEDY FOR BEING COERCIVELY FORCED AGAINST OUR WILL TO THE SUBJUGATION OF DAMAGES.

NOTICE TO THE AGENT IS NOTICE TO THE PRINCIPLE
NOTICE TO THE PRINCIPLE IS NOTICE TO THE AGENT

PERFORMANCE IS ACCEPTANCE
SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE
ARGUMENT IS ACCEPTANCE
DISHONOR IS ACCEPTANCE

Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman hereby swear by the affixing of their signature that this is the only agreement between the parties and that any and all implied contracts are void, and quashed by this expressed.

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son of a prophet said...

these guys should have been lawyers...

then again, better that they arent, or they would be on the wrong side.

but, next time, tell the typist that i believe that the noun is "principal"

"notice to principal is notice to....."

WillToFight said...

Well I guess that says it all!

light1rae said...

Kurt and Scott we are greatful to our Heavenly Father for giving us you all at such a time as this! Could not of said it better! As always STAY THE COURSE..... We will continue to pray for your victory! Let light so shine in darkness. We love you guys.

;)
R&P

mogel said...

Justice777: Kurt & Scott are sitting on their rights of the law of contracts and their constitutional rights and their rights as trustees for all 4000 clients which rights the government and lenders have walked all over with no regard for some time now. The fraud allegations through the media and courts towards the Dorean Group has been the real joke that never made any real sense. I must say your humor is perverted. The history of the Dorean Group supports this fact that they have been seriously wronged and are entitled to huge damages. We'll see how funny those serious rights that have been violated really are in the end, won't we? If President Bush believes the constitution is just a g*d damn piece of paper, then, we are in serious trouble with this nation.

And to think I first thought you were laughing because your fly was open and you realized how small a man you really are, or maybe you were just laughing because you finally realized that you are just a hermaphrodite and a freak of nature? Maybe that explains why you find it difficult relating to either sex. I feel really sorry for you man/woman. Please accept my pity. It's all I can offer you.

WillToFight said...

"Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."-- Thomas Jefferson, 1799

WillToFight said...

""The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." -- Albert Einstein

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"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." -- Winston Churchill

Gforce said...

I believe Kurt and Scott were chosen to expose the fraud and oppression in our government and economy. They know that that they were chosen, as agents, by the Master Lawyer, hence the disreguard to act in fear. The fear perpeptuated by the oppressors will come upon them(the oppressors) multiplied many times, even before their eternal; spiritual death, which will consist of fear, pain, hate, and remorse of exponential proportions, will shortly follow. Salvation through Jesus Christ is always an option if one's body is still alive. This fact always needs to be made known. Job 27 and James 5 clearly show all this to be true(among other references). I also believe President Bush is a God-fearing man and will accept and act on the facts of the matter regarding Kurt and Scott. The fervent and effectual prayers of the righteous man have MUCH effect. James 5

Peanut Gallery said...

Come on just-a-dumbass77777

Is that the best you can do?

Yeah, thought so. Come on give point by point rebuttal big smart guy.

As Churchill said.
If a man remains silent you may assume he is an idiot, but when he speaks he removes all doubt. Fool

Yetter said...

I have never said anything like this to any one, except one selectve justice 7. You are a hopless ass hole. If you don't know your rights,you have none.
you have exactly the goverment and financial instutions you deserve.

dgwondering said...

Now if any of that had anything at all to do with reality.

Oh, forgot - reality isn't needed when you think you're Christ.

neodemes said...

"PERFORMANCE IS ACCEPTANCE
SILENCE IS ACCEPTANCE
ARGUMENT IS ACCEPTANCE
DISHONOR IS ACCEPTANCE"

You got those G boys hog tied now.

I'm sure that will work.

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Yetter said...

stupid is as stupid does

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Oh, forgot - reality isn't needed when you think you're Christ."

WELL SAID. I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXACTLY YOUR PROBLEM WHEN YOU PRETENDED TO BE MY BISHOP OR MY GOD WHEN YOU ASKED PERSONAL QUESTIONS YOU HAD NO BUSINESS IN ASKING ME. ARE YOU LOOKING IN THE MIRROR, HYPOCRITE????? LOL

mogel said...

Nemo: If you AREN'T part of the solution, you become part of the problem. You and those like you, have been a part of the problem since day 1. Your words prove that.

All of you naysayers are such huge hypocrites. On one hand, you pretend pious pity and sympathy by saying things like "oh I sure wish Dorean is successful because the clients are depending so much on you." Then, you do whatever is in your power to discredit the System, verbally assault the Principals, and their work and make fun of every sincere effort to make things work and every courageous effort to bring the truth to light. You naysayers don't care one iota about good intentions or sincereness or courage of conviction or conscience & you people would never give anyone the benefit of the doubt because your hearts are as black as coal.

You people turn every good emotion into something that is evil because you are all evil. All you naysayers will get your reward too, I promise you that for the diligence and nourishment of the seed you have planted. Your fruit will be indeed rotten in the end and you will all stink just as you do now except in the end the extreme rankness of your own smell will cause most of you if not all of you to be ashamed, to realize that you are all losers, an emotion of ashamedness that is foreign to all of you naysayers at the moment because you refuse to see and refuse to feel with an open mind and heart.

WillToFight said...

Hey mogel.....I understand you meaning but still

black as coal.

Black is not necessarily bad. Positive/Negative not necessarity good/evil!

I agree though completely with your last post, very well said. They are at such a deep level of misunderstanding Mogel, Many have to find their own way!

I don't have to say their names!

KYHOOYA said...

i THINK MORE THAN ONE NEYSAYER HAS SAID ON HERE THAT THEY KNOW THERE IS PROBLEMS WITH THE BANKING SYSTEM AND ALSO THAT NEED TO BE FIX.

I know this is like spiting in to the wind when it comes to the people that don't want to change but here go's anyway

I ask the neysayers and all of you that say the banking and money system of this country neeed to be change but don't think what Dorean has set out to do is the way to get that started.

Then what is the way to get the most powerful men in the world (FED RES.) to quite and close up shop.

I would love to heear your ideas on how that will be done because it will come down to that one day if not now then when would you have it start after they have taken everything and there is no more power ifthe people.

You know it was'nt that long ago that we became a country (this being the $th of July weekend) should remind you of that fact being that the case then why don't you look back before that point and see what kinda life and liberty there was in a world that was controld by the banks, King's (before the bank's started control of them) leaders around the world that were controled lust of money and power and the people that found out how to control it and them all.

take a good look around you then ask your self why is it that we have a system in place that everyone is now coming to light (by the internet spreed of info)that this system is not even a part of this country's Goverment by now it is been seen that they need to go you even have state's that are put there given power to coin money back to them selfs with note "it will be given back to congresss when they shut down the Fed Res" with this as a side line from a state that has more in there coffer of money then any other and should be the one's that care the least.

why is it that there are people that are starting to stand up one by one (people of credit and standing in the country ) and saying that it need's to change and how is it that we have a puppet for a Cheif to run things in around here. Father and son both pres. with in 8 yr's of them self's what is wrtong with that and the fatcs that surround the election in the first place. Look at the votes for Jr. as he got over 4000 vote in one town that only had 635 voter that could vote.

So that along with all the other items of ??? why's and why not's the War (where's Os.bin) why did we take a left turn and go to Iraq and (why all the contaversy over the twin towers and how tey went down) in war that amout of peole would be not even a thought to loss there lifes and it sure did open that closing door on Iraq as the people had said that they wanted there kid's home we had done what we went over there to do get them out Kuwait. That was'nt what the Goverment wanted to do now was it or we would'nt have had to say a word about them packing up and get out of there, they would have done it on there own but they wer'nt t6hey wer'nt done so the tower' sweere the way back in the way to get the people to jump up and raise old glory screming get him (still don't nknow how that got us back in to Iraq ) it must be that we were in the area and thought "well if were' here we might as well stop by and collect all there money and see if we vcan get that thing we left undone done. I'm sure the people won't mind right there still running around waving the flag but half don't even remember the name of who it was we started out after in the first place but Oh well who care were here now right?"

the Fed Res. and the people that control our are not going to leave by asking them to they like it right where there are and we drop our gaurd long time ago long enough to let them in now my questiomn to you heysayers is if you think that Dorean is wrong than how would you go about changing tha fed res.sys?

Because it has to change or better it has to go.


that is a simple ???? is'nt it? you should have no peoblem giving at least some small idea of haw to start going about this large problem right?

if no answer than can we say that if your not part of the solution than your part of the problem.

I think so.

please stay silent and don't answer the question as you have it only show that yopu have no idea what your up agenst in the problem and if you think it's not a problem then

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha right back at you that would be the dumbest thing yet.

KYHOOYA said...

Happy 4th of July Kurt & Scott.

Thank's for staying the fight for our independence.

KYHOOYA said...

you ever pictured the people behind the money and how they might think about there ever forword moving efforts to gain the money and power of this country.
Picture a group not to larger maybe 25 50 who aree playing a game to see who can get the most first. and they don't care how just don't say a word to anyone about it . kinda like when the FED RES was put to gether is'nt it.

you neysayers just can't see it and thats how it set up and if you doo therewill change what ever it is so you don't again and if that don't work than there alway's having you killed is'nt ther

Look at res.JFK why is it that a popular pres like that would be shot and someone like dick head that in there now run around untouch.

I WOULD LIKE TO NO THAT.

ONE LAST THING DOSE ANYON NO WHAT (JFK) WAS JUST ABOUT TO WORK ON WHEN WAS SHOT?

You might find it kinda interesting to look at what it was and who it tied to and it might be very clear to se why.

they lik epuppets not anyone that want to have real power and a say on thing they just need some one to do how they want

if the manofesto from the FEDS don't tell you that they were here for there onwn resone then what dose I ask you that/

"go to the ellectin campain start and make sure that no one is watching them " what a jole we are to the rest of the world . they all see the fact that we should I can talk to some one from some other country and they will no more of how this system works then 90% of this country dose. maybe we should loss it all we sure don't take care of it very well.

Good luck trying to buy a house in the futer there Neo it should be right up therer with the gas prices and the cost of a pack of cig. but hey the good news is that Bread has'nt change much in price.. Hey why iss that any way? inflation is inflation is'nt it??
or is just what they want to change to pinch out the people that they need to ?


good luck to you neysayers are such a bunch blind fools that deserve what you get. to bad that might be at the cost of the ones that see.

neodemes said...

kahooie, you could be 100% right in what you are trying to say, but come across as such an illiterate buffoon, who would know?

Are you so lazy you can't string intelligible words together, or are you really illiterate?

Do you people really believe all of Kurt's gaming and posturing are going to have any effect on the core problems of the American economic system?

Even if they somehow managed to prove banking fraud and win their case, the devastation to the economy would have such far-reaching effects it would never yield the improvements you (pretend) you are looking for.

You pretend to care soooo much about the generations to come, but I don't believe a single one of you has anything but a selfish and self-serving motive.

Certainly if the 4000 (what happened to the 5000 number?) participants gave a sh!t about anything other than reneging on their own mortgage, they would be flocking to this blog finding out how they could raise their voices in unison and have some sort of impact on the outcome of this charade.

The reality is you are a pitiful little group of sociopaths, obsessed with flatulence and strung-out on the belief that your tiny attempts to make a difference, in a world that is far too complex for you, amounts to anything more than the psychotic ramblings that they are.

Put your energy to use figuring how to structure your lives so that you don't run up debts in the first place, then you won't have to rely on scam artists that are going to 'help you'.

Do you have credit cards?

Cut them up.

Do you have multiple credit card debt already?

Focus on paying every extra cent you can muster toward paying off the smallest debt first.

When that is done, apply that monthly payment toward the next. Rinse and repeat.

Are you paying for a new car loan? Sell the freakin' car and buy a beater. A car is the worst investment you can make...it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.

Do you lease a car? Then you are truly a moron.

Can't make enough $ with your day job? Stop whining and get a second job.

Have garage sales until all those toys you didn't need in the first place are sold off and apply the cash to your debt.

Did you buy too much house? Sell it and get one you can afford. Don’t like paying all that interest? Make regular payments against the principal and knock off thousands. Sheesh, this ain’t rocket science, its basic math.

You don't like banks? FINE. Don't use conventional financing. Stop whining and learn how to buy real estate via alternative methods.

You may not be able to, because you have no self-discipline and are only motivated to search the lunatic fringe of the Internet for tired out patriot movement and sovereign tactics that don't amount to a hill of crap.

Realize that you own nothing that isn't owned by God, and you are merely stewards. It is your job to be responsible stewards. That does not mean to finance a house beyond your means to pay your mortgage and then go running to mortgage eliminating scams to bail you out, while pretending you are saving the freakin' world.

Learn how to apply biblical principles of financing to your own lives. Teach your children to do the same. Give them three envelopes, label them:

1)Giving
2)Saving
3)Spending

Set up your finances to match. Rely on the truth of God's word that you do not need to worry. Give with a joyous heart and you will live an abundant life. Don't confuse abundance with wealth.

moogie, do you believe you are part of a solution to anything? I believe you are among the most self-serving, jumping from one scam to the next, finding how you can be on the receiving end. OR, maybe you are truly gullible and believe all this BS. Hard to say and I don't really care at this point.

Anyone who believes the New Jerusalem will be in Kansas City (or whatever you had said) because some clown claimed he was given the gift to translate a fraudulent lost book would probably believe anything.

Y'all have a good 4th of July and don't let your firecracker go off in your hand.

Neodemes out.

neodemes said...

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The Lost Book of Abraham : Investigating a Remarkable Mormon Claim by John Grooters (DVD)

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WillToFight said...

NeodomenesIdiot

Plays Allen Greenspan! As if he has the answers.!

You would not be here! Oh, your starting small!

WillToFight said...

Neo

Sounds also that you might be seening the probablity of banking fraud.

But your lack of courage forces you to respond by saying (parap.)

But we don't have a better system, Dah!

Continue seeking grasshopper!

WillToFight said...

Finally Neodo

You talk out of the back of your neck!

You mix and match, slice and dice until what you are saying only sounds good to only you!

You can't fight city hall! Just give in! The words of a master Kiss Ass!

WillToFight said...

I can not resist!

NeoRFID

Have you gotten your Radio Frequency ID chip implanted in you and yours yet!

You do want to be a pioneer right?

neodemes said...

Calling names and pasting quotations is a cop out and a waste of time, willy. Let's see some substance from you (for once).

Better yet, let's hear from the other 3,900 players.

I'll wait.

Yetter said...

Its a perception. If all is well with you and your at peace with your enviroment, have a nice holiday.

whatdoyoumean said...

Neo,

I'll bite. Your post on the surface would seem to make sense. However if you dig a little deeper it's horrible advice. Here's a couple of questions.

1. Do you think that the current monetary system was put in place by accident or design?

2. Are you really able to enjoy this creation if you don't participate at all in this system?

3. Did the credit card companies intentionally design their user agreements to be difficult to understand?

4. Do credit card companies make huge profits by intentionally misleading people?

neodemes said...

"it's horrible advice."

Why? The adverse would be to say that being in debt is a good thing. Is that your implication? Are you saying that 'good advice' would be to live beyond one's means via the magic of credit?

1. Design
2. Define 'this creation' or rephrase the question, please.
3. Seems that way...can't answer for their intentions.
4. They make huge profits...can't answer for their intentions.

The point of your questions in light of my post is what?

I advocate against using credit.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Anyone who believes the New Jerusalem will be in Kansas City (or whatever you had said) because some clown claimed he was given the gift to translate a fraudulent lost book would probably believe anything."

FIRST OF ALL NEMO, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING YOU POST. THE CLOWN YOU REFER TO WAS A MARTYR, WHO LIVED WHAT HE BELIEVED. AND AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENT OF IT BEING A LOST BOOK, IT WAS NOT A LOST BOOK, IT WAS AN ANCIENT RECORD ON GOLD PLATES, NOT A BOOK & THESE RECORDS WERE SHOWN TO HIM BY DIVINE MEANS AND WERE NEVER LOST. YOU ARE SO GOOD AT PERVERTING EVEN WHAT THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH CLAIMED, BUT SINCE YOU HAVEN'T REALLY STUDIED BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, YOU JUST SPEW OUT GARBAGE.

SINCE YOU ARE NOT A SPIRITUAL PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN MODERN DAY MIRACLES, OF COURSE YOU REJECT THIS. AND PLEASE DON'T TELL ME TO READ ANTI-MORMON LITERATURE WHEN YOU HAVEN'T READ THAT LITERATURE YOURSELF & HAVE NO COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T READ THE TWO BOOKS WHICH YOU RECOMMEND AS GOOD READING, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVEN'T READ THEM YOURSELF. HOW STUPID IS THAT? NOW ADMIT THAT I'M RIGHT ON THIS POINT OR GIVE A COMPREHENSIVE SUMMARY ON THOSE TWO LINKS. HOW STUPID OF YOU TO LEAVE A LINK WITH NO PERTINENT COMMENTS. YOU HAVE NO COMMENT TO IT BECUASE YOU HAVEN'T READ WHAT YOU PUT OUT. YOU JUST DO A SEARCH & MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT AS USUAL, IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF HOT AIR.

AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU FEEL THAT I AM SELF SERVING, I WILL USE THE RESPONSE THAT YOU USED TO ME, "I COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU THINK" SINCE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING OF IMPORTANCE IN YOUR LIFE, SO YOU AREN'T ANYONE THAT I RESPECT & WOULD LISTEN TO FOR ADVICE ANYWAY.

AND AS FAR AS YOUR LAST COMMENT THAT YOU THINK THAT BEING IN DEBT IS A BAD THING, THAT IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO YOUR ONE COMMENT LONG AGO THAT YOU SAID THAT "PEOPLE SHOULD WORK WITHIN THE EXISTING FINANCIAL SYSTEM & USE THE BANKS TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES TO GET AHEAD LIKE GETTING LOANS TO BUY REAL ESTATE." SO WHICH IS IT THAT YOU BELIEVE? USE THE BANKING SYSTEM AND WITHIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM TO GET AHEAD, OR TOTALLY STAY AWAY FROM GETTING INTO DEBT? WHICH DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE? YOU ARE WISHY WASHY AND CHANGE YOUR BELIEFS LIKE THE CHANGING OF THE WEATHER.

THE KEY TO CHANGING THINGS IS TO FIRST EDUCATE ONE'S SELF. YOU ARE TOO PROGRAMED IN BEING BRAINWASHED THAT YOU CAN'T GET PAST THE BRAINWASHING TO GET A REAL EDUCATION, AND THINK FOR YOURSELF, SO I STAND BY MY COMMENT THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

KYHOOYA said...

Neo


You advocate against the use of credit? Ya because you can't get any do to your bad business deal and the results there of.

Ha! Ha! LOL good luck!
Have you looked around as of late? the whole worle is being forsed to use credit, you can't get away from it unless you live in cave.

Do you live in a cave Neo? You know that would answer alot of question.

I'll bet thats what the problems been the hole time!
You have the mentality of a caveman.


As far as your responce to my question's and your addvise there of. Let me start with one thing at a time and I will try to do this in a way that you can understand and that is nice and S L O W O. K.

That should about sum up you school boy atempt at belittling me by yet another grammer and spelling teacher.
The fact is you understand me just fine and the hole idea of posting you don't is only you way of sidesteping the question's

You know if you were to give any time what so ever to those ???? you would have to take a good honest look at your position in this matter, that would most likly cause you to see that your WRONG!

You go right ahead and get those three envelopes and mark them for your self and call me in 10 yr's and let's see where your at. My bet is that you'll be no better off that you are now.

You kbnow Neo I can see that you are trying to take the good stand in that you have been told all of your life that you, GO to work, Save, such and at the core value of treat others like you would like to be treated is all fine.
Don't you get alittle pist off when all your life you have been told to do something and when you turn around to see your fruit there's nothing but DUST? JUST NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT ALL.

It was'nt alway's like that if you go back into history and look people worked hard, they rasied there familys they tried to do the right thing. When they looked back at all they had done and what it amounted to they could see something for it and most cases be proud off there life and family.
Now this is differant we have been told the same thing but the end results have been takenj without a fight because we did'nt see it happening. It's great to tell someone not to use credit and follow that path you discribed but it has become impossable to this in the world of today.

You must see that no matter how hard you work that in the end there will a big can of dog fooopd waiting for you and you slip into your golden years.

Come on look at the big picture here like you said it's not rocket science it's just simple math

By the way as for your statment of:

"Are you so lazy you can't string intelligible words together, or are you really illiterate?"


My laziness is do to the time I have and the aggravation that causes me to think faster than my one finger can type (at one word a min.) it takes me a bit of time to get posted and no I don't proof read when I'm done, that go's without saying I would think.
You can think and say anything you choose about my statas of "edamacation"
but for the record I hole a n IQ of 143 or there abouts so if you have to use the teacher approach to try and better your position and get your mess .. I mean message out than go right ahead and do so it dos'nt change a thing in the big picture about the state of the country and your lack of forsite to see the end results that await you.

Hey but you keep on saving if my math is correct and it most always is (Spelling/grammer not the stong suit but math now that I'm right up there with the big boy's) when you get done saving those three envelopes before you get to the giving one you might want to see what you have left in the rest. Know what the inflation will bring and the greed of the IMf and such you might just want to check and see if you needed to use that GIVING envelpoe to get by.

IT's all nice word you have and it's great to see that all of my taxes have not gone to waste in the public school system because you are a good example of what can be programed into kids as the go through it.


And don't you think they don't know it PAL!

tHAT AND THE COMPUTER HAS BROUGHT THIS TO A HOLE NEW LEVEL FOR THEM AND IT'S JUST MOVE INTO HYPERSPEED

Have you heard about the (information age) or is that something your just over looking in your ideal world setting. They got the jump on the info long ago just try and fathom how one spec of info is run through a computer and then multi that by endless and you'll start to understand how computers are use by the PTB IMF and the rest.
Here think about this's, do you have a card thet you use to get a discount on your grocerys? I'll bet you do as most of have one so with that in mind i would like you to take a min. and think of how much info that little card that see's every item you get and then look back at what I said about thet box that your typing through and put that with the fact that your computer has more power x1000 then the computers that wereused to get the info back 20 yr ago. Shit they filled a high rise building bhasement with wath you have right infront of you just to try and keep up withthe storagThe fact is that that card you use will will tell me How many poeple live in your house and what gender. what time of month they menstrate. wheather you have a colon problem. Can you start to see the mass of info tat little card hold in the right hands. What you by tellk alot. and Itell you something you might cut those credit cards up but next week there will be a new invition when you open the mail box for another one just like it they want you to have them they go out of there way to make sure you can they no that it give them endless infi and a way to track you habbits. Look at it today is the strat and they could track you from your home and back if need be by no credit card (all though that makes it much easier for them )

I will take what yiou had to say and keep what I need Neo but You might want to take a good look at whats going on around you and put aa side all the consp. and ragge smoking lables that the PTB like to give when they get stuck.

Or there's that good line old Bush used when ask about all the problem's that were going on around the Katrina mess. His responce was

"Problem? I don't see any problems at all"

Now if that's not tell the reporter to shut up or go the way of Dan Rathe rs than I don't no what is. That or he's as crazy as he look's.

Daddy watch me shoot that can over trhere with this here hand gun I got from kicking old saddams ass! You just watch and see what I can do Daddy ! Daddy Daddy your not watching me DAMIT!DAMIT you never ever ... ,m SR. BUcs to Jr. Would you put that thing away before you hurt yourself or worst me you IDIOT! Oh vcome on Daddy You have to look at me I the pres. and you have to! I'll have my secret guy 's make you. Jr. get over here and give me that gun before I slap you up side your head and thenj have your secert guy's do the same you little twit.

Who the hell do think put you in that office you dumb ass! Daddy I won it! I won ityt! fare and squre !

O.K. sure you did jr, sure you did. now give me the gun and lewt go get you a nice little oil drilling contract or something nice how about that jr. Ya daddy that would be great and may be some of those gold minning contracts that you get at a real good price.

Who in the fuck get's to have a son and father be th cheif of the USE within only one term of each other is has to be in odds sake up tere with winning the lotto.

By the Bust sr. signed a little contract a day out of office with the gold minning company named Barret who then got two contract for minning right of two gold deposits in the USA all for the price of $10,000.00 piad to ore treasury dept. how much gold is there in those mind's Oh about $10,billion give or take a $1, mil now that's something that I might have beed able to scrap together let's see $10,tho. for $10 bil

You wear me out I can't beleive that you don't see the going's on beyound the Dorean idea.

if you ever sit down and take alook at the question that I have put to you you will see the real point here you can't help but to not see it.

if you don't than how care's Neo you don't make a dent in the big picture so do as you will.

The one question you might want to ask your self is why is the loan that you get when you put one out fro your 401-k plan set up the same as your home loan but the two are completly diff. when it' scomes to the pay back end.


think about that and then ask your self how deep you want it because your get FUCKED no matter how you look at it


That was so you could have something to say about my language I would'nt want to leave you withoput something to come back with off the topic

Why not saty on the subject and leave the rest out or are yopu tow afread that if you do that yo u might find out that you thinkingon this is all wrong or not it' hard to say when your wrong for some I my self don't care it just show the way to learn about it and gain from doing so


Last I will leave you this in teh end My self I have nothing that is at risk or gain here I have a want to se thiong be fare and correct and througfh this and many others I work in that direction anlike your self I have a home. a few as a matter of fact. I'm not here as you said to get out of anything or to try to get something for nothing I'm here to see that itis all done fare and withypeople thinking like you no matter what is done thee can be no right from a Judge that is corrupt and someones rights being derailed by such that in its self is resone for Dorean to beright.
The facts are right there an when they are put up to show what do the PTB do but change them right before your eye now I sorry thats not how it work you set the rule 's make alot of money in the way you have set it up and themnn there is found a way to get it set right or get aound it a loop hole as they say you can't change it then and say that your fucked because we say so. no thats noot how you play fare is it? you can find something to twist this around to but when it comes down to it the facts arethere and you got two guy that have been locked up for a year now with out due process and that's is bul shit in my book I h seen people that have done worst thing be treated by the system faster and with all there right in tact. the way that this is playing out only show you that the bank or whom ever are pullin string somewhere.

Why is this Judge so bent on this anyway as you would think ther to be some one that could sit this case that was'nt so hell bent over itand put any thought of miss treatment and right loss out of the story but the way it's set who would'nt find for a miss tral or at a minthey will get to apeal it on those ground of impartiality issues well type my self to bed again so by. is you can't understand then don't but please don't post bull shit for facts or your own personal value plan to a better life go out and show me how it works because of what you have post so far and where you sit not the weath ( and i no you don't mean money ) it's is not there by my eye's you seem to be here posting alot for someone that is happy and content in his life don't you think?



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open up! no one ever condemded anyone for want to learn just because you saw it one way and then change your mind is not a bad thing. its intelligent

mogel said...

Nemo: Here's one question to show what an idiot you are. Have you read the complete Book of Mormon from page one to the end? I WOULD BET YOU HAVEN'T.

Yes or no? I'd like to know and have you confirm the answer to that simple question. I will assume your silence to this question is a fact that you HAVEN'T read the complete book, but have already formed an opinion based upon ignornance with no sincere and open minded search of knowledge. How prejudice is that?

You quoted James 1: 5-6, so a natural question is to ask you specifically, have you prayed & asked God if the Book of Mormon is a fraudulent book? Yes or no? Did he answer you? Yes or no? I will assume a non response from you is that you didn't even bother to pray or follow your own advise on this subject even though you quoted this scripture.

If you haven't prayed specifically on this issue, then, how can you judge something you haven't had a spiritual confirmation to, let alone expect God to give you a spiritual confirmation when you haven't even read the complete book? Assuming of course, you even bothered to follow your own advise, which I believe you seldom ever follow your own advice.

Course, if I wanted to become wealthy, I surely wouldn't follow the advise of someone like you that filed bankruptcy and has NOTHING to show for themselves as far as a respectable net worth like you.

If you have received a spiritual confirmation on the Book of Mormon issue, then say so. And say why YOU believe the book is fraudulent. I don't care what OTHER people think if you are the one posting the negativity on this blog. Tell us what YOU THINK AND WHY. Fair enough?

The few things that you have posted recently what you believe to be facts, I know are incorrect, so at least try to get the simple facts straight for a change without trying to twist everything.

WillToFight said...

NeoIdiot Said.....

it's horrible advice."

Why? The adverse would be to say that being in debt is a good thing. Is that your implication? Are you saying that 'good advice' would be to live beyond one's means via the magic of credit?

1. Design
2. Define 'this creation' or rephrase the question, please.
3. Seems that way...can't answer for their intentions.
4. They make huge profits...can't answer for their intentions.

The point of your questions in light of my post is what?

I advocate against using credit.

______________________

Stuuuupid! Ignorant! I don't want any NeoAssWhip

WillToFight said...

Former Reagan Deputy and Colonel Says 9/11 "Dog That Doesn't Hunt"
Col. Ronald D. Ray asks why half a trillion defense budget couldn't protect Pentagon, astounded at "conspiracy theory" put out by government

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | July 1 2006

The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it "the dog that doesn't hunt."

son of a prophet said...

is US expecting REAL fireworks this week???
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NORAD air base on heightened alert
No reason given for 'Bravo-Plus' security level


Posted: July 3, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


As the U.S. continues to express concern about the possibility of a North Korean missile test directed toward American territory and the rest of the world holds its breath over a close encounter with an asteroid, several U.S. air bases are on heightened alert.

But no one is talking about why.

The Cheyenne Mountain Air Station, which houses NORAD – charged with monitoring the North Korea situation – is now at "Bravo-Plus."

Other air bases in Colorado, California and Florida are also on heightened alert status.

down but not out said...

Mormonism is a fraud and the worlds largest cult

WillToFight said...

How do you like this Neo.

This pasting of quotes I think is important, based on where things are in this country today!

The founders put in place a system that could protects us from greed and forced survitude etc., and currently it is being eroded faster than ever before.

It is by "Design". The shame is that The "Designed" erosion of this country into 3 world status is being accepted by people like you, and that makes you (by your own writings) someone who needs to read these quotes and other news so that you might break the program/spell that your under.

I don't expect much from you though! You'd cut off your nose to spite you face.

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Yetter said...

I would like to wish ALL a safe and sane holiday, give thanks for what we have but remember we are no where near the freedoms we once had.Democracy only leads to tyrany.My Lt Col brother in law always tells me, freedom isn't free.
Much vigilance and effort is needed.God Bless those in the fight.

whatdoyoumean said...

Neo,

Creation is the world we live in. And what I mean is if this planet was a gift to humanity, are you able to enjoy this gift by seeing the sites, experiencing the wonders, tasting the variety of foods, etc. if you don't participate in the "system"?

Here's a link for some more info about credit card companies.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/

The reason you stir up so much anger here is you are so worried about 4000 supposed victims. Of which most of us willingly and still to this day knowingly pledge our support.

What's silly is there are more than 4000 new foreclosures a day, more than 4000 bankruptcies a day, and these numbers increase day in day out. The companies responsible for these effects are posting record profits each year, and continue to make more and more predatory "offers" every day. These loans, credit cards, etc. are all designed to trap people. They are extremely confusing, loaded with fine print and they can and will change the terms and conditions at any time by simply sending you a notice.

However you condone this rampant and blatant thievery. You advise us to just avoid the criminals, rather than do anything about it. First off it's nearly impossible to not participate in the system. And secondly, why should 95% of the worlds population be enslaved by the 5% that make these ridiculous rules and impose this burdonsome system?

We don't have to agree with what the solution is, but if you don't see that there is a problem that needs your voice and research and efforts 100 times more than this Dorean issue, it leads me and most of the other readers here to believe you have something to gain from the other side.

I advocate against being apathetic towards the organized and systematic enslavery of the worlds population. And whether Dorean's actions are motivated by greed, right or wrong, etc. They are 100% correct about the problem.

Yetter said...

enough said.

KYHOOYA said...

I'll share this one for all to think about.

I think it's a good time since and could'nt think of a beter place to post it. I will give the short story and if there is anyone out there that has something to add or knows something about it well go from there This is more for something that shows that the Goverment don't tell you everything so don't sit there thinkinhg that your but is sfe or that you should not get up and do something to help change things.

Now withthat here go's ...

I live in the San fransico bay area and in close to a place called concord navel weapons station that house many things from mild to wild and wild being nukes but as is the case around the country there ha sbeen a lot of base closers and I must say that I have no problw with that one (CNWS) being on that list but ther are many air bases in the area and up and down the coast of Ca. and the boarder of Nevada.
The storys like this I out mowing one day (Sept 2002)right around the anneversary of 911 andin fact it was labor day weekend. many were out of town enjoying there last summer weekend of the year and it was a cear and brit day . It was around 6:00 p.m. and my wife and kid were down town having dinner I opted to stay and finish so yard work. There it was as clear as a bell this thing I can onlt discribe as a rocket or missle come a cross the sky fro the direction of Mt Diablo and headed as if driveing in the other lane of traffic and going the other direction. it was moving very slow along with the fact that it was as quite as can be, so much so that I thought it strange it was'nt making a louder noise as you would think something like that would.

But at any rate I was less concerned with amount of noise it was not making as to the fact that it was dispencing some form of liq. from the tail end in a halo pattern and continued to do this as it move across the sky every 1 to 200 feet or so and it was slow as it went along sprying the whatever out of the back.

After a short time it came to a point that it was'nt move very much it was than it just disapated is the best I can come up with itwas more like and explostion wwithout the bang you expect to go withone and it was gone .

This cause me so much concern that I called down to my wife and told her to stay there intill I called her back before coming home and gave hera breif idea what had happened . I then started calling every where I could think of to find out it was that just came across my property. this was something I had never seen before and with it spryinbg something that I also wanted to find what that was.

After calling local sherrif , cop,s and the airport tower was the one that offerd up some answer to what it was the other only gave bits and converned that others had called thet saw the same thing. So at least I was'nt seeing thing and it did happen

(Hey you are always the last to know when you lose it, Your mind that is)

So not to happy with answers I had been given I called a few more places like the military bases in the area witch consist of Travis air base Miramar a little further south and Vandinberg air base down around San deago Ca. I did'nt do much better all except for miramar base where talking with the sargent told me that the there was nothing to fly that weekend and that in fact no troops or cargo and that this was the first weekend that was the case since the hit on the towers a year ago. They have beeen moving men and supplies out 24/7 so I said who else and hwe pointed in the southern direction so thats what I did abnd call vandenberg airbase and got nothing tried a few more and the same results the answer that i got other that nothing was flying was from the tower at my local airport and they said they were told that it was indeed out of Vand. airbase and that it was dispensing or dumping it fuel before exploding and there was nothing more they could tell us.

Well that is it except for the fact that I don't by the fuel part as I do know a few pwople in the airospace industry and they said that most any rocket is fueled by solid fuel not liq. so what it was spraying I don't no there are a few thing that happend around that time that are unexplained one being my dog died after about two months going from great to bad and 169lb to 80lb with many trip to the vet and never did grt a resone of wht it might be that killed him they were stumped as were me and my wife be the fact that he was with me friom the time i got hiom as a puppy and wa in great health all the shoota nd was play ballljust the day before he started his decline and when I say he was with me I mean he sleep and went to work and was mostly where ever i was so I would know what if anything would have happened that I could that is who no's it could have been s spider bite to after doing some check on thing it I read about Black widows and that was alsostraingh because that ther was a extra amout of Black widows in the are a and more than myself saw them to be a problem and ther wer bigg ones not like the ones you might see
I'm in the building buss. and I have never seen the size of the one's that I had here and the count was in the 50 range so if that is normal so be it but I don't think it i sthe only other thing being that i have been going thriough car cover s at arate of three in the last year and a half on the same car witch to me again seems to be a little on the excesive side.

The last thing I will say is that there was some one in th LA area that were on there way home that saw what to me as per there report to the NCFUFOs reporting center they wrote about what they saw and I'll be damed if it is not exactly the same image of the thing I saw word for word in discription that is. the happening is a little different but the item is the same but there is not much diff. about the story either. any way chalk it up to the strangest thing I have seen and not been able to explain and to date havent . I must admit that Idon't spend anytime looking but it dose pop into mind every now and again what the hell it was that was spraying and why and the fact that it was the same time only a year later from when the towers at 911 happend almost to date as i think back I think it was the same date or within only a day that along with the
the GOOD OLD BOY we have up in the white house and what he is apt to doing,

(What a dumb ass that guy is) as I said in a more discriptive way before )

You can just see him siting on the pourch swinging that tropy gun he took from Saddam or better yet that he had someone bring him. Talking to his Daddy just like a little kidd that is in need of approval. " Look at me Daddy I got that old Saddams gun ,just look what I can do with it! Come om Daddy watch me shoot that can over there. and dad telling him to put it away and shut up before he hurts someone and jr. having a fit over it.

Just talking on the pourch at the ranch the only two father son team to be the cheif and leader of the country ever and look at that all with in only one tem of 8 years.

CAN YOU SAY GET A LOTTO TICKET BECAUSE THATHAS GOT TO BE RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE ODDS OF WINNING THE LOTTO YOU THING ?


WE ARE HEADED FOR SOME DIFFERENT TIME'S

Peanut Gallery said...

kahooy said,

from the tail end in a halo pattern and continued to do this as it move across the sky every 1 to 200 feet or so and it was slow as it went along sprying the whatever out of the back.





What you saw was the tail signature of a pulse jet propulsion system. They emmit what looks like a halo, or series of halos from the tail.

The once secret SR-71 Blackbird also left a similar signature when it was going from sub, to supersonic, though it was not a pulse jet propulsion system.

WillToFight said...

WhatDoYouMean

Well Said!!!! Well Said!!!!!

WillToFight said...

WhatDoYouMean

Now you will not get a coherant answer from Neo!

We have given all the reason to him in the past. He already did not and could not understand to respond to those 4 simple questions you asked.

His response to you will be his questions to you, which does not make a dabate!

Takes all kinds to create the balance of the law of equalibrium.

Those on the half of greed and "just go along" or "move out of the country if you don't like it"!

They will someday if the real fighters are beaten down, asked themselves (if they can be honest with even themselves) say, "why didn't I fight, how could I have been so blind"?

And maybe they will never see, but that would not be justice!

You reap what you sow!

WillToFight said...

"A new fascism promises security from the terror of crime. All that is required is that we take away the criminals’ rights -- which, of course, are our own. Out of our desperation and fear we begin to feel a sense of security from the new totalitarian state." -- Gerry Spence Lawyer and author
Source: Give Me Liberty, 1998

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Sooltauq said...

Scott and Kurt are going to jail, and so also should all the people who did business with them. After all, they accepted the money by way of criminally defrauding their mortgage company.

As far as Scott and Kurt's pleadings go, the only thing it might get them is some free time with the nice men in white jackets in a padded room and a temporary reprieve from prosecution until they can regain their sanity.

Arguing that the banks "make too much money" or that The Fed "has too much power" are political arguments, and not legal ones. Those arguments will not help AT ALL when the mortgage foreclosure action comes or the FBI comes calling for criminal loan fraud.

mogel said...

down but not out said...
Mormonism is a fraud and the worlds largest cult
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HOW CAN ONLY 12 MILLION PEOPLE'S BELIEFS CONSTITUTE THE WORLD'S LARGEST CULT? FOR YOU TO MAKE AN ALLEGATION OR PUT IT IN A STATEMENT AS IF YOU BELIEVE IT TO BE FACT, SHOWS HOW STUPID YOU ARE. SO KNOW OTHER CULT IN THE WHOLE WORLD HAS THAT MEMBERSHIP? YOU AND NEMO DESERVE EACH OTHER TOO. YOU ARE "DOWN AND OUT," NOT "DOWN, BUT NOT OUT." YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF SUBSTANTIATING YOUR ALLEGATION TOO, I MIGHT ADD. :O)

mogel said...

One Without a Soul said: "Scott and Kurt are going to jail, and so also should all the people who did business with them. After all, they accepted the money by way of criminally defrauding their mortgage company."

FIRST OF ALL MORON, THEY ARE BOTH IN JAIL NOW, NOT GOING TO JAIL. CLIENTS DID BUSINESS WITH DOREAN AND ACCEPTED NO MONIES, THEY PAID MONEY, YET HOW CAN CLIENTS GO TO JAIL WHEN THEY ACCEPTED NO MONEY IN YOUR ARGUMENT? THE PRESENTMENT WAS A CHALLENGE WITH CONSEQUENCES SPELLED OUT IN FULL DISCLOSURE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. THAT ISN'T FRAUD ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE BOND TENDERED WITH THE PRESENTMENT IS AN ACCEPTANCE OF PAYMENT OF ANY POSSIBLE INDEBTEDNESS THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED WHICH OF COURSE NEVER EXISTED. ACCEPTING MONEY DOESN'T MAKE AN ENTERPRISE A FRAUDULENT ONE. IF THE MORTGAGE COMPANIES WERE DEFRAUDED, WHAT EXACTLY HAVE THEY LOST? YOU CAN'T DEFINE OR SPELL IT OUT NOR WILL THE FEDERAL COURT BE ABLE TO DO THAT EITHER. DREAM ON.

"As far as Scott and Kurt's pleadings go, the only thing it might get them is some free time with the nice men in white jackets in a padded room and a temporary reprieve from prosecution until they can regain their sanity."

HEY MORON, YOU AREN'T EVEN INFORMED WHAT HAS HAPPENED ALREADY. THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN FOUND TO BE COMPETENT, BY JUDGE ALSUP & THE PSYCHIATRIST IN THE COURT RECORDS. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

Arguing that the banks "make too much money" or that The Fed "has too much power" are political arguments, and not legal ones. Those arguments will not help AT ALL when the mortgage foreclosure action comes or the FBI comes calling for criminal loan fraud.

AGAIN, THE PRESENTMENT HAS NEVER SAID THAT THE MORTGAGE COMPANIES HAVE MADE TOO MUCH MONEY OR THAT THE FEDS HAD TOO MUCH POWER. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE MAKING UP ALLEGATIONS THAT NEVER EXISTED. IF YOU WANT SOME CREDIBILITY, AT LEAST GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT & TRUE. I GUESS YOU NEVER LEARNED HOW TO PLAY FAIRLY IN GRAMMER SCHOOL. YOUR LACK OF LEARNING THESE SIMPLE LESSONS AT A YOUNG AGE HAS TRANSLATED INTO ADULT MANIPULATION & LIES. YOU'RE NOT EVEN A GOOD LIAR.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Anyone who believes the New Jerusalem will be in Kansas City (or whatever you had said) because some clown claimed he was given the gift to translate a fraudulent lost book would probably believe anything."
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I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T BELIEVE YOUR BS, SO STOP THE TRITE & INAPPLICABLE PHRASES THAT ARE FALSE.

ALSO THE REVELATION THAT THE NEW JERUSALEM WOULD BE IN INDEPENDENCE MISSOURI, WHICH IS A SUBURB OF KANSAS CITY, MO, WAS GIVEN TO JOSEPH SMITH THROUGH THE DOCRINE & COVENANTS, NOT THE BOOK OF MORMON AS YOU CLAIM, WHICH YOU CALL THE "LOST BOOK" WHICH WASN'T LOST AT ALL. AT LEAST GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BECAUSE IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU HEAR, BUT AFTER YOU HEAR SOMETHING, YOU STILL PERVERT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID. HOW FAIR IS THAT?

HOW WOULD IT BE A GIFT IF YOU ARE TRANSLATING A FRAUDULENT RECORD? ISN'T THAT AN OXYMORON? OH WAIT A SECOND, YOU ARE A MORON. THAT EXPLAINS THE CONFUSION.

neodemes said...

"is if this planet was a gift to humanity, are you able to enjoy this gift by seeing the sites, experiencing the wonders, tasting the variety of foods, etc. if you don't participate in the "system"?"

Of course. Will you be able to travel the whole world and experience everything first hand? No, but even using this 'system' your experiences would be limited, so why go into debt trying? Be content with what God provides, open your hearts and you will find happiness and contentment and a wealth of joy and experiences to last a lifetime.

"However you condone this rampant and blatant thievery."

No, I don't.

"You advise us to just avoid the criminals, rather than do anything about it. First off it's nearly impossible to not participate in the system. And secondly, why should 95% of the worlds population be enslaved by the 5% that make these ridiculous rules and impose this burdonsome system?"

Its impossible not to participate? If you believe that, you are fooling yourself or you can't see your needs because your desires cloud your judgement.

Surely if folks did not partake of this 'system' that is nothing more than self induced servitude, the masters would shrivel and die.

Y'all want instant gratification, but cry because you nailed yourself in a box.

Wake up, stop whining and change your lives.

Your all so busy blaming everyone else for your problems you can't see the solution in front of your faces.

How sad.

neodemes said...

moogie,

Does calling everyone a moron make you feel better? That was Farrel's favorite word, too. I guess you are more like him than I realized.

Course, we don't hear from good ole' Farrel anymore.

You sound more hateful with every post, I'm sorry to say.


1John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1John 4:21
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

down but not out said...

Moogman,

Mormons can not join secret societies such as the Free Masons. Is it because they are too holy to be in such an organization? No. Joseph Smith took much of his "scriptures" from the Masons. He forbid any member of the church to associate or join, thus preventing them from realizing he plagarized the Masons for his "religion"

And please explain what that Satan is Jesus'brother thing is all about. No reference to that in my Bible.

Just because there are millions of people who follow a false doctrine does not negate the fact that it is a cult. Millions of Catholics also follow false teachings.

w said...

Sooltauq said... or the FBI comes calling for criminal loan fraud.

hey presumptious puppet, notice the FBI to go calling on all the banks issuing credit from nowhere with your property as collateral for the banks fraud, give the FBI notice of the discovery of the banks fraud and hold the FBI accountable for not doing anything with said discovery.

or keep working for your own end.
your choice.

mogel said...

Nemo: I'm not more hateful with every post, I'm just TIRED of listening to people that obviously don't think before they open their mouth & really don't know what they are talking about. It doesn't make me feel better by using a derogatory label, because that assumes that in the first place I don't feel well which is also a false assumption by you.

Actually, I'm more like YOU than Farrel in that I really don't care what you think simply BECAUSE FROM A PHILOSOPHICAL VIEW ON THINGS WE DIFFER MUCH MORE THAN WE WILL EVER AGREE ON MOST SUBJECTS.

If I did care what you think, I would obviously return much more respect to you which obviously I don't. Guilty as charged, if you accuse me of NOT caring what you think.

I always thought Farrel cared alot about what others thought. This was proven by his long and diligent efforts to do whatever he could to make people understand his point of view. People that don't care, obviously don't put that much effort into something & Farrell always was one in my view, that put diligent efforts into whatever he believed. Being more like Farrel isn't all that bad either, as you insinuate THAT BEING LIKE HIM IS JUST PLAIN TERRIBLE.

I think someone as spiritual and thoughtful as you pretend to be, could find many compliments to pin on Farrell's character since obviously you are more like Will Rogers based upon the scriptures you quote you'd like people to believe about yourself, such as:

"I never met a man I didn't like." Will rogers

Nemo, I don't hate you, I pity you. That pity is shown by my derogatory labels that you so rightfully earn. I'm sorry that you misinterpret my real feelings.

neodemes said...

Thanks, bro, but I don't need anyone's pity.

Life is good.

God's Grace is sufficient.

Save your pity for the victims.

I'm not one.

mogel said...

Moogman,

Mormons can not join secret societies such as the Free Masons. Is it because they are too holy to be in such an organization? No.
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WHY WOULD ANY CHRISTIAN WANT TO BE IN A SECRET SOCIETY. DOESN'T GOD DO ALL THINGS OPENLY AND NOT IN SECRET?
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Joseph Smith took much of his "scriptures" from the Masons. He forbid any member of the church to associate or join, thus preventing them from realizing he plagarized the Masons for his "religion"

JOSEPH SMITH WAS A MASON UNTIL HE RECEIVED FURTHER LIGHT AND KNOWLEDGE. THAT IS A FACT THAT CAN'T BE HIDDEN. WHEN YOU RECEIVE FURTHER LIGHT & KNOWLEDGE THAT SOMETHING IS NOT COMPLETELY RIGHT, YOU CHANGE, DO YOU NOT, IF YOU ARE A SPIRITUAL & A HUMBLE PERSON?

JOSEPH SMITH LEARNED MANY THINGS EVEN UP UNTIL HE DIED THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IN HIS EARLY YOUTH & EARLY YEARS. THAT'S HOW LIFE WORKS. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A PROPHET DOESN'T MEAN YOU KNOW ALL THINGS, OR THAT YOU ARE PERFECT OR THAT YOU DON'T MAKE MISTAKES OR CAN'T GAIN A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS.

I DON'T DOUBT THERE ARE SIMILIARTIES BETWEEN THE MASONIC RITUALS AND RITUALS DONE IN MORMON TEMPLES. FROM MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF MASONIC THINGS, I CAN EVEN RECOGNIZE THIS. JOSEPH SMITH AT ONE TIME WAS THE HIGHEST DEGREE OR POSITION (32ND OR 33RD DEGREE MASON) THAT ONE COULD ACHIEVE AS A MASON. I THINK IT'S A JUMP TO SAY THAT JOSEPH SMITH COPIED ANYTHING, SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE MIGHT EXIST SIMILIARITES. THERE ARE SIMILIARTIES IN MANY RELIGIONS COMPARED TO CHRISTIANITY IDEALS, SO DOES THAT PROVE THAT MOSLEMS FOR EXAMPLE COPIED THEIR IDEAS OF DOCTRINE FROM CHRISTIANITY? CHRISTIAN IDEALS & TEACHINGS WERE TAUGHT TO CIVILIZATION LONG BEFORE JESUS WALKED THE EARTH, SO DOES THAT MEAN JESUS COPIED HIS TEACHINGS FROM SOMEONE ELSE WHO LIVED ANCIENTLY? THERE IS LIGHT AND TRUTH IN MANY IF NOT MOST RELIGIONS. SATAN'S COUNTERFEIT OF TRUTH SOMETIMES CAN BE VERY SUBTLE OR EVEN VERY SIMLIAR. SATAN IS THE GREAT COUNTERFEITER. HE CAN EVEN APPEAR AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT & IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REAL ANGEL OF LIGHT & LUCIFER, OR HOW TO DETECT A FRAUDULENT & EVIL BEING, YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE DECEIVED TOO. THAT ONLY SHOWS HOW CLEVER THE DEVIL REALLY IS & THE NEED FOR REVELATION FROM GOD. WE ARE TOLD IN THE LAST DAYS, (TIME WE ARE IN NOW), THAT EVEN THE VERY ELECT WILL BE DECEIVED.

And please explain what that Satan is Jesus'brother thing is all about. No reference to that in my Bible.

YOU ARE PROBABLY CORRECT IN SAYING THAT THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS THAT SATAN WAS THE BROTHER OF CHRIST. BUT IF YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL LIGHT & TRUTH IS IN THE BIBLE, & ALL ANSWERS ARE ONLY CONTAINED THERE, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN TOO.

WE ARE ALL BROTHERS & SISTERS IN THAT WE ARE ALL SPIRITUALLY BORN OF HEAVENLY FATHER & HEAVENLY MOTHER, EVEN LUCIFER, THE SON OF THE MORNING, NOT EVEN EXCEPTED. LUCIFER (SATAN) ONCE HELD THE NUMBER 3 POSITION IN POWER IN THE PREMORTAL LIFE AS A SPIRIT BEING & WE ALL LIVED AS SPIRITS BEFORE THIS MORTAL EXPERIENCE & LUCIFER WAS ONCE A VERY POWERFUL AND RESPECTED INDIVIDUAL UNTIL HE LET HIS OWN MISGUIDED SELFISHNESS, & GREED & LUST FOR POWER, HAVE HIM THROWN OUT OF HEAVEN DUE TO HIS UNWORKABLE PLAN OF FORCE WHICH HE PROPOSED WHICH WAS A PLAN OF SALVATION THAT WOULDN'T WORK ACCORDING TO ETERNAL PRINCIPLES.

SINCE GOD WORKS ACCORDING TO ETERNAL & TRUE PRINCIPLES, HE HAS ALL POWER SINCE ALL BEINGS & THINGS OBEY HIM. LUCIFERS PLAN WAS A SHAM THAT COULD NEVER WORK BECAUSE IT WORKED ON PRINCIPLES OF FORCE, BUT NOT PRINCIPLES OF CHOICE OR "FREE AGENCY". BECAUSE HE PROPOSED A LIE, HE WAS THROWN OUT OF HEAVEN BY GOD HIMSELF. THAT IS EXPLAINED IN MOSES CHAPT. 4: 1-4 AND THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM CHAPT. 3: 22-28. GO TO ANY PUBLIC LIBRARY & CHECK OUT THE TRANSLATED WORK OF JOSEPH SMITH OF ANCIENT RECORDS ENTITLED THE "PEARL OF GREAT PRICE" WHICH CONTAINS THESE BOOKS OF SCRIPTURES.
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Just because there are millions of people who follow a false doctrine does not negate the fact that it is a cult. Millions of Catholics also follow false teachings.

THERE ARE MORE CATHOLICS THAN MORMONS, SO YOU JUST PROVED MY ORIGINAL POINT TO YOU. IF CATHOLICS FOLLOW FALSE TEACHINGS DOES THAT MAKE THEM A CULT TOO?
YOUR ALLEGATION THAT MORMONISM IS A CULT IS A PREMISE, NOT A FACT. I AGREE NUMBERS OF MEMBERS PROVE NOTHING CONCLUSIVELY OF A MATERIAL NATURE WHETHER THEY ARE A CULT OR A TRUE RELIGION, BUT THAT POINT WAS NOT IN CONTENTION. THE SCRIPTURES SAY THAT "STRAIGHT IS THE GATE AND NARROW IS THE WAY THAT LEADETH TO ETERNAL LIFE, AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT." MAYBE THEN, THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, LIES OUTSIDE THE MOST POPULAR TRAVELED PATHS, SO MAYBE ONE SHOULD LOOK TOWARDS A CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION OF DOCTRINE THAT IS NOT SO LARGE IN NUMBERS OF MEMBERSHIP SINCE FEW (COMPARED TO ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVER LIVED) FIND THEIR WAY THROUGH ALL OF THE CONFUSION & LIES.

mogel said...

NEMO SAID: "God's Grace is sufficient."

MAYBE THAT DOCTRINE EXPLAINS WHY THERE IS SO MANY GODLY PEOPLE WALKING THE EARTH. :O)

THAT FALLACIOUS DOCTRINE YOU ESPOUSE & TRULY BELIEVE MAY ALSO EXPLAIN YOUR APATHY & LACK OF NEED TO REPENT OR CHANGE, SINCE EVERYTHING NECESSARY WAS ALREADY DONE FOR YOU 2000 YEARS AGO.

COMPLACENCY & DELUSION ARE TWO OF THE GREATEST DETRACTORS TO HUMAN SPIRITUAL GROWTH THERE IS. AFTER ALL, THERE IS NO NEED FOR YOU TO BECOME MORE GODLIKE, YOU'VE ALREADY QUALIFIED FOR YOUR MANSION IN THE SKY BY AN EVENT YOU HAD NO CONROL OVER.

down but not out said...

mogel said,

IF YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL LIGHT & TRUTH IS IN THE BIBLE, & ALL ANSWERS ARE ONLY CONTAINED THERE, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN TOO.


I assume nothing, it is the sole source of truth and light. Not some made up scripture that was "revealed" to a sharlatan in the 1800's.

What part of "Not one jot or tittle" do you not understand.

Do not degrade the word of God by elevating a work of fiction to the level of revealed scripture.

By stating there are other sources of truth degrades the very part of Scripture you claim to believe and relegates it to be blended in and watered down by the other so called enlightened beliefs. What about Scientology? I bet you don't think that is truth, or do you. The Koran? Truth?. Are you a "wagon wheel" believer? All the spokes (religions) lead to the center(God). Marxism? Truth? Yeah it is a religion as well. Paganism, Druidism, Bhuddism......

whatdoyoumean said...

Neo,

First off I am not in any trouble. I am doing quite well financially, and I am speaking from past experience with the credit card scam. I used my credit to start a business. I have always lived within my means. And currently my means are blessed.

You obviously are thinking pretty small here if you think by not having credit cards you are not participating in the system. It's a small piece of the puzzle. And no you can't do much if you don't participate. If you have a job they take their cut before you get yours, you pay taxes everytime you buy something, so whether you have credit or not you are paying for everyone else's when you buy things.

This system is hardly selfinduced servitude. You don't play ball you will soon be put somewhere to revoke you of your freedom. And if folks don't participate in the credit game, they won't shrivel up and die, they will do what any other criminal does and get more aggressive. Cutting up creditcards is hardly an impact on the system. And your superficial answers just serve as a cover up.

It's funny that you can't comment on the motives of the large organized criminals, but you have no problem with everyone here including myself who you've assumed I have financial problems and out of desperation got lured into this scam. The facts are I am blessed but I have been through tough times, and continually see people go through them. The system has a real high failure rate. It's built that way. From what I have gathered you have experienced this yourself.

Also you KNOW that the only way to be prosperous is to own something of lasting value. Isn't that what you are trying to do? The system is trying to make sure you are unable to own anything.

Keep telling yourself that you've made a difference by cutting up your credit cards.

How sad.

mogel said...

Down But Not Out: Read Isaiah 14: 3-20 & Revelations 12: 7-9 & 2
II Peter 2:4.

This explains the fall of Satan from his pre-eminant position. Note vs. 16 that shows that Lucifer is a male spirit. God is the father of all Spirits. See Hebrews 12: 9. You have to use a little logic to figure out that Satan was a spirit brother of Jesus if you use only the Bible to figure that out.

Proof of a pre-earth life where we all lived as spirits:
Job 1:6
There are at least 15 other scriptures on this topic from the Bible. Proof of Jesus's premortal life as a Spirit being:
John 1: 1-14.

mogel said...

Down But Not out: Actually the Bible in the Book of Isaiah fortells & prophecies of a "sealed book" to come forth in the latter days which is the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.

In the mouth of two or more witnesses, shall every word be established. The Book of Mormon is a 2nd witness with the Bible for Jesus Christs & his divine mission. Read the Title page to the Book of Mormon that explains this.

Both books complement each other. Read in the book of Mormon 2nd Ne chapts 27-29 & especially 2nd Nephi chapt. 29 to see how unreasonable your thoughts and conclusions are.

The Bible came from the record of the Jews. Do you think that God does not remember all nations, and all people? Do you think that God cannot inspire or call prophets from other countries or other centuries of time to speak his word too & cause it to be written down? Do you think God's work is all completed & done? If you think these things, then think again.

By the way, I'm NOT a wagonwheel ideologist thinking that all spokes of thought lead to God. But I am not going to condemn or demean truth wherever source it comes from either.

As far as your comment on "one jot or tittle," you'll have to quote that scripture & have it explained in the true & correct context it was given correctly, otherwise, you are liable to come to a wrongful conclusion again.

mogel said...

Down But Not out: The Bible talks about the Book of Jasher and other lost books. If the Bible is so complete & perfect as you say, and contains all of God's words, where are those lost Books? They're certainly not in my King James version of the Bible. Those books obviously had important things to say, otherwise, they would not have been referenced in the Bible. Where are those lost books? Obviously you know, Mr. Jot & tittle.

mogel said...

Down But Not out: Have you ever heard of the book, by Bell Publishing Company in New York, entitled, "Lost Books of the Bible". I have a copy of this entire book in my bedroom. Can't say that they're scripture any more than the Songs of Kurt, but who knows, maybe they all are or maybe some of the books are truly inspired & also quality as scripture.

Course scripture is nothing more than the mind, & will of God written down.

Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Or maybe you think they are just an excellent work of forgery & seduction by evil men & not inspired work.

Course even in this book, I still can't find the "Book of Jasher," another lost book which obviously WAS scripture because the Bible made reference to it specifically. Until you can find that book for me, I'm not interested in your opinions.

Here are some of the books that could be holy works of scripture too that weren't included in the King James version:
"Book of Mary," "The protevangelion", I. Infancy, II. Infancy, "Christ and Abgarus," "the book of Nicodemus," "The Apostles Creed", "Laodiceans," "Paul and Senecca", "Paul and Thecla", I Clement, II Clement, "Barabus," "Ephesians," "Magnesians," "Trallians," "Romans," "Philadlphians," "Smyrnaeans," "Polycarp," "Phillipans," I Hermas-Vision, II Hermas-Command, III Hermas-Similitudes, "Letters to Herod and Pilate," "The lost gospel according to Peter, etc.

KYHOOYA said...

Peanut Gallery said...
kahooy said,

from the tail end in a halo pattern and continued to do this as it move across the sky every 1 to 200 feet or so and it was slow as it went along sprying the whatever out of the back.





What you saw was the tail signature of a pulse jet propulsion system. They emmit what looks like a halo, or series of halos from the tail.

The once secret SR-71 Blackbird also left a similar signature when it was going from sub, to supersonic, though it was not a pulse jet propulsion system.

2:25 PM

O.k. I can by that with some relief as to the nature of the halo. thanks for the info.
From what you have it seems that you have some expereance with the airospace or something around thatand if so maybe yoiu can shed some light on the other half as to your idea of what it might be doing in the bay area be that this place you get nothing in without it being seen. and the fact that I next door to a huge storage of weapons well not so much now but back then there were and this place was housing nukes from time to time. the point is that if you no the area then you will no what I mean about nothing get in here if not take my word for it nothing dose without someone seeing it there is also two big airport and one up acoming in San Jose and the story that was from that couple that was down in so cal. what they saw was the same. From what you said I can see hot it could of traveled by what for and the to dissapate.

Do you have some other Ideas on this it would be a great deal of help and comfort to find the missimg puzzle piece if you understand how that can be disturbing not knowimg the rest of the story. any help in that direction would be great
thanks

The kicker being that this happend on the yr date of 911 so I have to think something was going ion with this. you were saying that the one project was top secret now not right? so why would anyone want to keep that quite even if they had sent it up the coast from south or where ever just tell it was a flight or something and thats that why leave people ..Well me hanging about it anythoughts on that ?

mogel said...

Down But Not out said: "I assume nothing, it is the sole source of truth and light."

WELL IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT, THEN, I GUESS YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT GOD, HEAVEN, AND WHATEVER ELSE IN LIFE THAT IS NECESSARY FOR YOU TO KNOW. I GUESS LIBRARIES ARE JUST A WASTE OF TIME & YOU CAN ALSO LEARN NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BIBLE. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR INSIGHTS. COURSE, I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE BOOK OF JASHER.

mogel said...

Down But Not out:

Joshua 10: 13

"And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies, Is not this written in the book of Jasher?"

Where is the Book of the Covenant? Exo 24: 4

Where is the Book of the Wars of the Lord? Num 21: 14

Where is the Book of Statutues?
1 Sam. 10:25

Where is the Book of the Acts of Solomon?
I Kings 11:41

Where is the Books of Nathan and Gad?
I Chron 29:29

Where is the Prophecy of Ahijah and Visions of Iddo? 2 Chron 9:29

Where is the Book of Shermaiah?
2 Chron 12: 15

Where is the Book of Jehu?
2 Chron 20: 34

Where is the Acts of Uzziah, Written by Isaiah?
2 Chron 26:22

Where is the Sayings of the Seers?
2 Chron 33: 19

Where is the missing Epistles of Paul?
I Cor 5:9, Eph, 3: 3, Col 4: 16

Where is the missing Epistle of Jude? Jude 3

Where are the prophecies of Enoch? Jude 14

Yeah, right, the Bible is complete & has all of God's words & has been perfectly preserved from the beginning until today. Only someone who HASN'T read the Bible cover to cover would believe that or someone with poor reading comprehension.

mogel said...

Down But Not Out: What part of "missing scripture" do you not understand?

mogel said...

Down But Not Out: Prophesy of the coming forth of the book of Mormon:
Isaiah Chapt. 29.
Read especially Isaiah: 29: 18
& especially Isaiah 29: 4, 10-14. Many of those verses were literally fulfilled exactly as they read.

John 10: 16:

This scripture was literally fulfilled. Read the Book of Mormon p.420-455 which has an account of Jesus's visit to this "other sheep" he was referring to, right after his resurrection to people in the Americas. The legends and storytelling of the Indian people that have been passed down from generation to generation confirms that this event happened.

mogel said...

If the Songs of Solomon can be scripture, since it's obviously there canonized as accepted scripture, especially Songs of Solomon Chapt. 4 vs. 5, 9, is it reasonable to say that the "Songs of Kurt" CAN'T be inspired work too? After all, in the "Songs of Kurt," incest isn't being glorified & Kurt wasn't talking about boobs was he or other tittlelating things. "Down But Not Out," was that the jot & tittle stuff you were referring to?

vs. 5: Thy TWO BREASTS are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.

vs. 9: thou has ravished my heart, MY SISTER, MY SPOUSE; thou has ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck."

down but not out said...

Moogsie

Seems I struck a nerve at the heart of your false phony so called religion.


"In the beginning God created man, and when he was finished, he created, Mor-man"

LOLOLOL

son of a prophet said...

happy 4th y'all!

whils i am at a relatives house enjoyin' some hot dawgs and some barby, i couldnt resits logging in thier 'puter to see whats goin' on here.

i see that the religious debaate has perked up quite a bit.....

as i am not a momon, i dont belive that the book of mormon is true, but a false prophet.

nonetherless, i dont condmn anyone for whjat they believ is true or not. that is the LORDs job, and He does just fine w/o me judging anyone.....

having said that, we all agree i am sure that the day is coming when...."Every knee shall bow, and every lips confess that Yeshua is LORD..."

one way or the other, all knees are going to bow, vouluntarily, or, if they have to be broken, but THEY gonna BOW.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Save your pity for the victims. I'm not one."

WHATEVERE YOU SAY NEOPHYTE, I MEAN NEO-FIGHT.

mogel said...

Down And Out said: "Seems I struck a nerve at the heart of your false phony so called religion."

WHY MUST IT BE THAT IF A PERSON TRIES TO MAKES A POINT, THEY ARE ANGRY AT THEIR BROTHER, OR THEY ARE SOMEWHAT FEARFUL OR SHAMEFUL OF SOME DEEP SECRET THAT OTHERS THINK THEY HAVE EXPOSED? NO, THERE WAS NO NERVE STRUCK. TRULY !!!!!

"In the beginning God created man, and when he was finished, he created, Mor-man

THAT MIGHT BE FUNNY, EXCEPT IT ISN'T TRUE. TRY & BRING TRUTH INTO YOUR HUMOR & MAYBE YOU'LL MAKE YOUR JOKES BETTER AND MORE EFFECTIVE.

"WHEREFORE MURMUR YE, BECAUSE THAT YE SHALL RECEIVE MORE OF MY WORD? KNOW YE NOT THAT THE TESTIMONY OF TWO NATIONS IS A WITNESS UNTO YOU THAT I AM GOD, THAT I REMEMBER ONE NATION LIKE UNTO ANOTHER? AND WHEN THE TWO NATIONS SHALL RUN TOGETHER THE TESTIMONY OF THE TWO NATIONS SHALL RUN TOGETHER ALSO.

AND I DO THIS THAT I MAY PROVE UNTO MANY THAT I AM THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY, AND FOREVER; AND THAT I SPEAK FORTH MY WORDS ACCORDING TO MINE, OWN PLEASURE. AND BECAUSE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN ONE WORD YE NEED NOT SUPPOSE THAT I CANNOT SPEAK ANOTHER; FOR MY WORK IS NOT YET FINISHED; NEITHER SHALL IT BE UNTIL THE END OF MAN, NEITHER FROM THAT TIME HENCEFORTH AND FOREVER.

WHEREFORE, BECAUSE THAT YE HAVE A BIBLE YE NEED NOT SUPPOSE THAT IT CONTAINS ALL MY WORDS; NEITHER NEED YE SUPPOSE THAT I HAVE NOT CAUSED MORE TO BE WRITTEN.

FOR I COMMAND ALL MEN, BOTH IN THE EAST AND IN THE WEST, AND IN THE NORTH, AND IN THE SOUTH, AND IN THE ISLANDS OF THE SEA, THAT THEY SHALL WRITE THE WORDS WHICH I SPEAK UNTO THEM; FOR OUT OF THE BOOKS WHICH SHALL BE WRITTEN I SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD, EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS, ACCORDING TO THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN." 2 Nephi 29: 8-11

See Revelations 20: 12

"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED; and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

mogel said...

Kurt said: "No amount of reason or fact appears to be able to dissuade these rogue agents from their agenda."

I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT MR. SWANSON, THE CPA THAT WAS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN THE DOREAN PRESENTMENT ALSO HAS FACED SOME HARASSMENT AND SLANDER RECENTLY.

IN OCT. 2005 HE HAS HIS CPA LICENSE JERKED FOR REASONS UNKNOWN & CAN'T PRACTICE CPA THINGS ANYMORE FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. THE TIMING OF HIS LICENSE BEING JERKED ALL SMELLS THAT SOMETHING ISN'T QUITE RIGHT ON WHAT IS GOING ON.

MAKES ME WONDER IF THIS IS NOT FURTHER EVIDENCE OF THE ROGUE AGENTS AGENDA TO DISCREDIT UNFAIRLY AND UNJUSTLY EXPERT WITNESSES WITH FINE CREDENTIALS THAT POSE A THREAT TO THEIR EVIL AGENDA?

mogel said...

In 1913 the Federal Reserve Act is passed, and also in 1913 the income tax agenda is also passed. Coincidence or just another conspiracy theory?

In about Sept. 2005 the Dorean Group is charged with criminal counts of fraud by the Federal Court. In Oct. 2005, Mr. Swanson, who was affiliated with the Dorean Group in an expert witness capacity is slandered & made to look dishonest or dishonorable by his CPA license being pulled, however, no published or public information is given to the reasons why????? Even real estate licensees are published to reasons for their fines or reasons for their license being cancelled. Why the secrecy in the Swanson case? Where is the transcripts of this hearing against Mr. Swanson?

Is there something rotten in Denmark as the saying goes? What is wrong with this picture? Can you find Waldo in this picture?

Sooltauq said...

All your religious psycho-babble isn't going to stop you from being convicted of loan fraud, either.

neodemes said...

mogel said,

IF YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL LIGHT & TRUTH IS IN THE BIBLE, & ALL ANSWERS ARE ONLY CONTAINED THERE, YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN TOO.

******

Whoa. I didn't realize you were such a lost sheep, mogel.

Earlier you stated that you don't believe in anything. You must believe something, and it sounds like you are off the track to salvation.

I pray that you find your way to the Truth and the Light before its too late.

Your statements regarding Satan and Christ being brothers as all men are brothers lacks the important Truth that Jesus is not a Creation, He IS God.

I hope you are able to find your way.

WillToFight said...

Oh! and You have all the answers Neo????

I think not....I think Christ was called the Son of God Not God. The Christ also said there was greater before and will be greater after me.

Now I don't know if the version you read says that, but me I will not read a bible less than 100 years old!

The newer versions has that dogmatic/programed side to it, although the whole books has always been that way. Of course people at your level of social status was not suppose to read or be allowed to read the Bible anyway!

Which part made you an idiot the New/Old testiment?

Anyway we are all son/daughters of God. There is only "One" and Jesus/Yahweh Ben Yahweh/Jesuha or who ever you all call him was, is not the One God, but the son of God like you and me!

Father Son HolyGhost (Women)

Creation can only happen with Man Women that create a child!

The Holy Ghost came into being with the Euro Patriarchal attitude that did not recognize the womens role in Spirituality!

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NeoIdiot said....

Your statements regarding Satan and Christ being brothers as all men are brothers lacks the important Truth that Jesus is not a Creation, He IS God.

_________________


Who told you that Jesus is God the Father/The All the Creator? Every scripture I've read it talks about the fact that Jesus is the Son of.

JesusBenGod

Again NeoBenIdiot (Ben means Son of) in Judaism/Muslim and others languages if you did not know NeoBenAssFace.

Anyway, Why wouldn't or couldn't Satan be the brother of Christ. According to the Bible I read Satan was first Number ONE The most beautiful angel in heaven. Isn't in your book, it says it?

You would say something stupid like "Well Jesus ain't an Angel"! Blah Blah Blah!

Explain!!!!! What caused Satan/Lucifer/Set to fall NeoBenKnowItall?

Give me your best twist Neo!

I will not cut and paste the Bible. I will deal with you from memory and logic only!

Who told you that Satan could or is separate from that which was created by the ONE GOD/ THE ALL EMCOMPASSING GOD?

You'd better read Job! But you only need the new testiment, right!

But let us be logical.

If satan was all on his own, not created by the One God. How would you really know who would win the battle.

They both say they will win in the end! That is why I don't put satan equal with GOD/NETER, nor do put Jesus equal to God. There is no equal, but if there was, we should all question that!

The ALL/GOD created GOOD/EVIL. It must have been.

So everybody get over it!

My contribution Neo!

WillToFight said...

Most of you on this Blog are not ready for what I just posted!

Oh well! You will get there when you do!

mogel said...

Will to Fight: I agree with you. You are extremely perceptive and correct. Notice Rev. 1: 5-6.

If you read that scripture in the context it's worded, you've got, (1) Jesus, the Son of God, (2) God the Father, and (3) God the Father's father, 3 separate beings discussed, all Gods. One is less in stature to the other.

How can you be GREATER than yourself? See John 14: 28.

Jesus taught that the Father was GREATER than himself. He prayed unto his Father. Those that don't accept that must believe Jesus prayed to himself. How vain or how strange is that? The alternative is to believe that Jesus had a personality and mental disorder worthy enough to need treatment by a psychiatrist. On the cross of crucifixion, Jesus asked his Father: "Why hast thou forsaken me." Can one forsake himself? At the baptism of Jesus, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Was Jesus a ventriloquist & playing a strange trick?

How can Jesus sit on the right hand of God, if Jesus is not a separate individual? Act 7: 55. The bible says: "There are 3 that bear record in Heaven." How can you come FROM the Father & go TO the Father if they God & Jesus are one & the same? See John 17:27-28.

Why is Jesus referred to as the "Firstborn" in the scriptures if Jesus (God) was not created? The answer is that Jesus was literally the firstborn Spirit of God the Father & Heavenly Mother. His Spirit had a creation or a beginning. Can you have a Son without a Father & a Mother?
Here's a proof of a Heavenly Mother: See Proverts 30: 9-14. Pay particular notice to vs. 11. If the Father is a Divine Being, so also is the mother a Divine Being in the context it is worded.

At any rate, the debate was settled in the first vision of Joseph Smith at the age of 15 in 1820 in the State of New York, when BOTH visited him personally in answer to prayer & his vision confirmed the fact that God the Father & Jesus the Christ are in fact TWO SEPARATE BEINGS. Both beings who are separate beings, in fact BOTH spoke to him. Joseph knew the truth. Proof of this doctrine that Jesus IN HIS GLORY never appears to mortal man, UNLESS God the Father is ALSO there to testify of Jesus's Sonship & authority & God the Father IS THERE TO testify to such: See John 1: 18. See also Joseph Smith 1: 17-20.

You see if Joseph would have said that ONLY God (Jesus) appeared to him, he would have been a liar because the scriptures say different because when ever Jesus appears to man in his glory, he also has a witness of HIS Father there also in person to testify and declare that he is his Son. "In the mouth of two witnesses shall every word be established."

mogel said...

Nemo said to mogel: "Earlier you stated that you don't believe in anything.
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NEMO, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WOULD YOU CARE TO SHOW & PROVE THAT RIDICULOUS & UNTRUE AND MADE UP STATEMENT?

mogel said...

Nemo: Isn't there a difference between the two: "I don't believe in anything that is said" or better said:
"I don't believe anything." as opposed to "I don't believe IN anything."

You took out one word, of mine purposely & totally changed the meaning. You are the master of twist! Why do you do that? Do you think you are being clever or cute? Or do you enjoy being obnoxious? I believe the latter to be true. Is that a "hateful" trait of yours? Just wondering.

mogel said...

One without a heart said: "All your religious psycho-babble isn't going to stop you from being convicted of loan fraud, either."
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WHERE DID THOSE PRESUMPTIONS OF YOURS COME FROM? CERTAINLY NOT FROM ME.

ALL YOUR THREATS WILL NOT STOP YOU FROM BEING THE IDIOT YOU ALREADY ARE EITHER. BY THE WAY, I COULDN'T FIND "PSCHO-BABBLE" AS A WORD IN THE DICTIONARY. KEEP MAKING UP YOUR REALITY THROUGH YOUR FICTION. IT SUITS YOU.

neodemes said...

My mistake Mogel.

You don't believe anything, not in.

In other words, you believe nothing.

I believe you.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You find willy to be perceptive?

You would.

LOL

neodemes said...

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all aspects of the ONE God.

Someday you will fully understand.

I hope it is while you are still breathing.