Thursday, July 06, 2006
I can name that tune in 1 Note
Since musical chairs is played with the promissory note in a mortgage transaction I thought I would take a little muse at its value. The average person doesn’t understand the mortgage transaction if done honestly and therefore has greater confusion in our fraudulent system. The entire transaction pivots on the promissory note. Without the note there is no transaction. That should be the first clue it has value. What makes the note valuable? It is the promise. A man’s word is his bond. Bonds are promises, surety, and financial assets. Everyone knows a T-Bill has value. The Federal Reserve issues no currency except in trade for these bonds. What backs a T-Bill? It is the good faith and credit of the United States. Do you know what the good faith and credit of the United States is? It is you! Actually it is your promise. Your promise consists of your labor and intention. If your promise is enough to float the largest transactions of the world, it has enough value for a real estate transaction. When you sign that note the value of you and your promise attaches giving it value and making it a financial asset. That value belongs to you and no one else. It can only be transferred at law by consent and just compensation or what they call consideration. If something has value crooks can be found. Unfortunately these are government licensed and sanctioned. They steal your value and even convince you to pay for it. We deserve it too since we are more interested in convenience than wisdom. What you think of as debt is really taking your long labor and selling it short. Don’t get short changed in your short sale!
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Daniel 12.....
"...and the wicked shall not see the end coming..."
Still trying to locate where my promise to pay is. Seems they those that should understand where it is don't seem to know even though they initiated the foreclore. But... they are being so helpful and "unbiased" as they say....HA.. I will keep searching!!!
Mogel said,
Jesus said, "keep my commandments" & "come follow me." Do you literally follow everything even when it defies reason & common sense?
Give an example of where following a commandment, any commandment defies reason amd common sense
Mogel,
Do you believe the book of mormon is literally 100% true?
mogel,
I checked out the website evilbible.com . So you align yourself with athiests? Gee that certainly is an unbiased perspective isn't it?
From the bits I read the authors of the site are themselves misquoting the Bible to fit their agenda.
Consider the source.
It would be like a site deriding the Civil Rights movement being sponsored by the KKK.
Mogel said
If you believe the Bible to be literally 100% true as a standard to follow yourself, the question is you dead yet because you hanged yourself too? Jesus said, "keep my commandments" & "come follow me." Do you literally follow everything even when it defies reason & common sense?
Literally true has nothing to do with taking things out of context.
Kurts point had to do with just that… taking things out of context and justifying anything you want the Bible to say. You can do this with any book not just the Bible.
God is not opposed to reason and common sense but often times things do not compute in our head because God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. There again are many examples of Jesus giving a commandment to his disciples that did not compute in their thinking. He spoke to their spirit man and even though they did not understand the commandment they obeyed and saw the truth of what Jesus said later. Again Jesus says His words are spirit and they are life.
Mogel said
As I said before I believe there are mistranslations in the Bible. Certainly in my view, that is one of those mistakes. For example, how do you explain Mogels remark about the word "mansions".. tranlated as happy families???
Check it out for yourself Mogel but all 8 translations I looked at never translated the word mansion as happy familys. Maybe thats Mormon doctrine. Did I remember that right? The word has to do with "dwelling places" in the greek.
mogel said,
Judas hanged himself, go do likewise
Is that an example of mormon love.
I do not believe Mt 27:5 is a commandment of God.
Try again and read slowly. Give me a true example of where a commandment, any commandment defies reason and common sense.
There are contradictions and missing scripture that exist in the Bible.
Give one, just one.
mogel said,
Tell me what your 8 translations say about these scriptures & the original Greek meaning:
"No man has seen God at any time."
John 1: 18
Math 5: 8 "Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall SEE God."
Greek mindset vs Hebrew mindest.
John 1:18 is referring to the spirtual being or essence of God.
Mt 5: 8 refers to being with God in the world to come.
Nice try.
BTW are you going to answer my previouse questions?
Is the book of mormon 100% literally true.
Show me a commandment that defies common sense.
The doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are very interesting. Most of the 'odd' ones are not initially taught to potential converts. But they should be. Instead, "they are revealed later as one matures and gains the ability to accept them." The LDS Church tries to make its official doctrines appear Christian but what underlies those Christian sounding terms is far from Christian in meaning.
Following are the teachings of its officials throughout the years. Please note that these teachings are documented from Mormon writers, not anti-Mormon writers.
Finally, many Mormons respond that most of the the citations below are not from official Mormon writings, as if that disproves the doctrines they teach. If they are not official, fine. But, if not, then why have the Mormon apostles and high officials taught them, written them, and why are their books sold in Mormon bookstores? The truth is, the following is what Mormons are taught.
Atonement
"Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane," (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,” Friend, Mar. 1989, 39.)
"We accept Christ's atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all of the commandments," (Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 68.)
Baptism
Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141.) This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the "newly baptized" person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven.
Bible
"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . ." 8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church.
"Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God." (1 Nephi 13:28).
Book of Mormon
The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461.)
Devil, the
The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.)
God
God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.)
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (D&C 130:22).
God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.)
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345
God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.)
God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.)
God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.) - This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always 'officially' taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it.
"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
God, becoming a god
After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.)
"Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them," (DC 132:20).
God, many gods
There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)
"And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)
God, mother goddess
There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.)
God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516.)
God, Trinity
The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.)
Gospel, the
The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182-185.)
Consists of laws and ordinances: "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79)
Heaven
There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, Mormon Doctrine, p. 348.
Holy Ghost, the
The Holy Ghost is a male personage, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, (Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, page 118; Journal of Discources, Vol. 5, page 179.)
Jesus
The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)
Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15.)
Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.)
"Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38).
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115).
"Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547).
"Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).
"Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh ..." (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, God the Father, compiled by Gordon Allred, pg. 150).
Joseph Smith
If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670.)
Pre-existence
We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, Vol. 4, p. 218.)
The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.)
The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)
Prophets
We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444-445.)
Salvation
"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation." (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206.)
A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.)
Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.)
Good works are necessary for salvation, Articles of Faith, p. 92.)
There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188.)
"The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79.)
"As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79).
"This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts" (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).
"We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do," (2 Nephi 25:23).
Trinity, the
The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.)
"Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster." (Joseph Smith, Teachings, 372).
Some Mormons may disagree with a few of the points listed on this page, but all of what is stated here is from Mormon authors in good standing of the Mormon church.
moogie asks:
"For example, how do you explain Kurt's remark:
Mt. 27:5 Judus departed and went and hanged himself: Go ye and do likewise LK. 10:37"
That was your boy deliberately twisting scripture, while addressing me, if you recall, with the message being to hang myself.
That is just another example of your boy's fruit. He tries to create the illusion that he is chosen and inspired by our beloved Savior.
My guess he will experience an "I never knew you" at some point.
moogie asks:
"Tell me what your 8 translations say about these scriptures & the original Greek meaning:
"No man has seen God at any time."
John 1: 18
Math 5: 8 "Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall SEE God.""
Not to long ago you lectured us about the use of past and present tense regarding something or other.
Put on your thinking cap moogie and try real hard...
has seen
shall see
take a break and an aspirin if you need to.
The bible makes it pretty clear there is ONE God.
The original sin involved trying to be god, did it not?
Mormonism is the path to somewhere, but God won't be at the end of it.
REPENT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
You came into this world for one reason. Fellowship with God.
I pray you find your way.
Jesus = God
Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
"Moses saw God face to face "
Where, moogie?
evilbible.com
Why would you send anyone there?
Maybe you really don't believe (in) anything?
Are you intentionally setting out stumbling blocks?
Kurt, oh spiritually led one
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
or, if you prefer
Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.
You say the banks owe you?
I say, so what?
What is the spirit-filled thing to do?
Thanks Kurt
Your words in fact and truth make for the good fight!
provb1022 said...
Still trying to locate where my promise to pay is. Seems they those that should understand where it is don't seem to know even though they initiated the foreclore. But... they are being so helpful and "unbiased" as they say....HA.. I will keep searching!!!
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Steady the course, we will get to the bottom of this! To the good fight!
go your way and scam no more.
:-)
mogel said,
I believe most aren't ready to hear all of that though, so I'm not so sure that converts should be exposed to as much as you have thrown out there. It's a bit much, don't you think for the beginner?
SOUNDS LIKE A TRUE CULT TO ME. LET S NOT GIVE THEM THE TRUTH OF WHAT WE BELIEVE UNTIL THEY HAVE BEEN THOUROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED INTO OUR CHURCH.
DownButNotOut
I'm not into you alls dialogue on Mormon/Christian. I have respect for them all.
That is not to say I see disrespect in anyones questions about either.
I just want to ask you, and this is in reference to labeling me!
You thought or think I am left or right or......
My question to you:
How do you separate your individual Left from your Right? I do not want definitions/labels/generalizations.
What do you know?
Neo Said....
go your way and scam no more.
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Neo you epitemize a scamm. You don't have enough knowledge to direct toward fact or truth!
you are not even a Neophyte!
Neo you are neglegent!
You must pay to put out falsehood!
Mogel said...
Yea, Neo, STOP being just a phyte. :o) in the things that you are and do. It just isn't becoming of a humble and spiritual man.
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I never new why you entertain this person anyway!
I have asked you that question before.
He has never answered a question posed to him, he has only tried to push his twisted mindset to discourage people from speaking out!
He is a virus a cancer. He doesn't even understand what he is!
I asked him to go question for question! He ignored that!
I don't need to quote anything to deal with this idiot!
My words your words! You idea of what is going on vs. mine! No religious dogma allowed.
Can you do that Neoprogrammedinonedirection
withnoopinioncreatedfromyour
thoughtsaboutasubject
basedonfacttruthbutsomeoneelses
thereforehavingnoexperienceinthe
matterandsubseqeuntlynoknowledgeof
theissueyouattempttospeakabout!
Oh he called me a name! I can't answer the quesition. Let's ignore that person, they are not civil.
YOU PHONEY!
mogel sez:
God does not let things go ( your definition of forgiveness)
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Did I define forgiveness? Where was that?
Hey, willy. I believe your face is leaking something toxic. You might want to have that checked out.
Pax.
mogel said...
Nemo said: "Not to long ago you lectured us about the use of past and present tense regarding something or other."
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And your point is?........ Maybe that no one has seen God in the past, but may in the future? Do you even know what you are saying?
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The future being in Heaven, as opposed to mortal life.
Where did you get happy families from mansions?
Mansions (monai) - from menw, to abide, abiding places - also translated as rooms
To understand how or why this could have happened to some parts of the Bible read 1 Nephi 13: 21-42
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You can keep your false doctrines, thanks.
The Word of God is enough.
Joe and the gang were false prophets.
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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