Wednesday, July 12, 2006

The Shocking Truth

Truth is shocking when a society discovers that one of its foundation pillars is false or flawed. Many societies in history have discovered their idols false, which revamps the religious segments. In Tel Aviv today you have the zealots who want the Torah (spiritual law) to be the civil law. This was the same in the Jerusalem of Paul the epistle writer. Imagine when he said to them that God has established a new gospel covenant apart from the law (Torah) without the law based on righteousness by the power of faith. Fruitty 2000 years later still can’t let go of a law that condemns her more than her victims. This is a shocking truth. We are about to reveal another shocking truth to America that will shake the foundational pillars of finance, law, common sense and even religion. It is coming in a way not expected and you will see all the adjustment pains of a society reluctant to change. You might even find it uncomfortable. Work through because blessing is on the other side.

43 comments:

down but not out said...

The law(Torah) was not a means to condemn the Israelites as is so commonly misunderstood. It was established to set apart(make holy) the people from the rest of the pagan world. It is our (christian and Jew)identity. I have followed Torah for the past five years and do not find it a burden as I was so led to believe in my church days. In fact it has drawn me closer to the Lord in ways I could never have imagined, and has revealed understanding into Gods character.It is a true delight. Read what David says about the commandments in the Psalms. Does it sound as if they were too burdensome, and were a means to condemn?

WillToFight said...

DBNO

Then Wait until you read the

Metu Neter = me-du Ne-Tear
(The Divine Word)

The oldest of devine writings!

down but not out said...

will,

Were can I find these "devine" writings?

WillToFight said...

Are you still seeking or are you attempting to make a comparison.

There is not much comparison except that it is said that this one part of the &@ number of keys is where all religious dogma i.e. Christianity, Judism (Qabbalah), Muslim etc. derive there origin!

We are working on levels of understanding!

WillToFight said...

It is not devine but "Divine"

Pauligirl said...

On the last thread, peanut gallery mentioned Kurt and allocution. This case shows that it's not always a good idea.

September 13, 2005
Ninth Circuit upholds allocution earning defendant 30 extra months
At the end of a long decision, the Ninth Circuit today in US v. Smith, No. 03-10604 (9th Cir. Sept. 13, 2005) (available here), upheld a district court's decision to increase a sentence by 30 months (from 121 months to 151 months) in response to the defendant's lengthy speech in which the defendant contested the court's jurisdiction and demanded that the court set him free. Here is a passage from the Ninth Circuit's rejection of the defendant's complaint on appeal:

Smith argues that his First Amendment free speech and Fifth Amendment due process rights were violated because he was punished with a higher sentence for expressing his views on the district court's lack of jurisdiction. But the district court made it clear that it was increasing the sentence based on Smith's lack of remorse, and his threat to the financial safety of the public when released. These are legitimate sentencing factors under 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a), which include considering the "characteristics of the defendant" and the need for the sentence "to promote respect for the law," "to afford adequate deterrence to criminal conduct," and "to protect the public from further crimes of the defendant."

The district court may indicate a tentative sentence and then hear from the defendant before making a final sentencing determination.... That the district court considered Smith's lack of remorse in sentencing him is by no means a novel concept. The district court did not err in taking Smith's statement into consideration for sentencing. The Sentencing Guidelines, in either their mandatory or advisory status, do not insulate a defendant from his or her own foolishness.

In addition to serving as a useful warning to defendants and their counsel about "foolishness" at sentencing, the decision in Smith perhaps suggests the need for a post-conviction, Miranda-type warning: "You have a right to remain silent at sentencing, anything foolish you say can and might be used against you to increase your sentence, ..."

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neodemes said...

"We are about to reveal another shocking truth to America that will shake the foundational pillars of finance, law, common sense and even religion."

Another shocking truth? What was the other shocking truth?

As far as allocution goes, that's the opportunity to speak befor sentencing is imposed.

Appropriate enough.

mogel said...

"God will train a man on a full spectrum of knowledge then reveal in the peak of trial that it is all a division of one truthful light."

mogel said...

"It is this kind of truth that misses most people and may not be caught if hidden in this beast design. What if pleading guilty was freedom?"

itsmeson said...

real quick, i want to know how your christian walk is going. i want to be encourged by what you have to say and i want to experience what God's love is all about. thanks

son of a prophet said...

is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA© bankrupt???

(where they been since 1933?)

hello!? helloooo? helloooooooo?

http://research.stlouisfed.org
/publications/review/06/07/
Kotlikoff.pdf

WillToFight said...

Thanks for the info
Pauligirl

There is no constitutional rights in the commerce admirality courts is there?
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Mogel Said...

What if pleading guilty was freedom?"
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You know mogel I agree that pleading guilty in many case ought become freedom for the accused. However, it appears as said above. We do not seem to have constitutional rights in court, and because of that, they already plan to knock down anything Kurt puts forth as his natural right to do so?

I remain and will remain in total agreement and confidence in what Kurt is attempting to do. We are in a full scale battle though!

Its time and has been time for individual actions. We must become more apart of the fight!

Too the good fight!

son of a prophet said...

WHAT?!!!

WAS THE TITANIC SUNK TO OPPOSE THE THEN UPCOMING FEDERAL RESERVE???

YOU DECIDE!



http://www.arcticbeacon.com/
9-July-2006.html

Peanut Gallery said...

For the love of Pete , SOP.

Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy to you?

I suppose you think the world is flat and the PTB are covering that up too.

WillToFight said...

Peanut Gallery said...

For the love of Pete , SOP.

Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy to you?
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I'd respond that there are many many conspiracys out there to speak about? But yes not everything is!

We are certainly in one now! If Kurt is not able to exert his constitutional rights in court. That is a BIG Conspiracy!

Peanut Gallery said...

Will,

To your last statement I would certainly agree.

WillToFight said...

Because you agree Peanut G.

You must agree that we must, as individuals to take up this front/battle to make change to what is going on, more so than just being sideline cheerleaders?

son of a prophet said...

Peanut Gallery said...

For the love of Pete , SOP.

Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy to you?
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of course everything is! this is satans kingdom remeber?


yeshua was an anarchist, opposing the established govt. anarchissts are dangerous to the govt, but not with their arms, or physically, but with thier mouths and a pen

people do not relise this

son of a prophet said...

more 'spiracy stuff from mccanney



July 13, 2006 posting ...join me tonight as i note some subtle but very important recent events dealing with the end of the United States ... the implementation of the new world order and the fall of the american upper class who have all their investments in real estate (those wanna be republicans that thought that their role was secure .... watch them all scramble like rats off a sinking ship to sell their real estate holdings to no avail ) and other "indicators" that you will not hear about anywhere else ... i always said that the rich would be the last to go ... and it is happening as i write this ... jim mccanney

WillToFight said...

Certainly mixed truth in what J. M. is saying!

everything is not a conspiracy.

SOP you have the power and the ability
to change things.

I am not waiting on Satan or Christ to solve my problems. This is your and my disagreement!

If we do it your way, we should all just kick back and wait.

PG if it only happens to the rich then the rest of us should kick back and wait!

We as the children of God have been given the power to recognize and see what is necessary to be done!

The good fight!

WillToFight said...

Certainly mixed truth in what J. M. is saying!

everything is not a conspiracy.

SOP you have the power and the ability
to change things.

I am not waiting on Satan or Christ to solve my problems. This is your and my disagreement!

If we do it your way, we should all just kick back and wait.

PG if it only happens to the rich then the rest of us should kick back and wait!

We as the children of God have been given the power to recognize and see what is necessary to be done!

The good fight!

son of a prophet said...

WTF said...

SOP you have the power and the ability
to change things.

I am not waiting on Satan or Christ to solve my problems. This is your and my disagreement!

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wtf, may i ask what religion do you follow/practice or belive in, if any?

if this is satans kingdom, which apparently you do not believe, perhaps, how can we change things?

if my LORD, YESHUA has siad that this earth/kingdom/planet is foresaken, I dont undestand how you can say that WE CAN CAHNGE THINGS???

you obviously follow a different teaching than what yeshua said and obvilusly do not believe that yeshua is LORD.

again,

SATAN: (to yeshua) "BEHOLD, ALL THESE KINGDOMS, THAT YOU SEE, ARE YOURS, IF YOU THROW YOURSELF DOWN THE SIDE OF THIS MOUNTAIN..."

yeshua said in reply..."IT IS WRITTEN, THAT THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD THY GOD..."

SIMPLE: its like saying, thou shalt not put the LORD thy god to the test; or in other words you dont try to vernon wells arm to the test and try score form second base on a weak liner to center feild when vernon wells is in center field; becasue just like in the all-star game, if you do, he will gun you down.

doesnt get any easier than that. yeshua did not tell satan taht the earth was not satans kingdom to give yeshua, becasue satan did not own it. yeshua knew satan owned it.

whyudothat said...

Peanut Gallery said... For the love of Pete , SOP.Is EVERYTHING a conspiracy to you?

lol, did you know that daylight savings time and chocolate was started by the illumanati? me neither, wait a while and SOP will post with the info.

son of a prophet said...

your teachings are those of the false millenailist who also probalbly believes taht peace can achieved on earth by man, when yeshua is the only one that can bring peace on earth- the "prince of peace"

is that what the antichrist will say....peace and safety just before all hell on earth breaks loose.....

"...and thru peace, he (the a-c)shall make go away (kill) many..."


interesting....those who believe in killing in the name of peace....


what they are really saying is 'we are killing all those who dont beleive what we do, or what we say is peace'

"peace, brother, (or I'll kill you)"

bumper stickers, anyone???

down but not out said...

Theological grenade of the day.

Where in scripture does Jesus actually say He is the son God?

He says he is the son of man, and he calls God the Father, that applies to all believers.

It is a question of confusing divinity with diety. In the end it does not matter, Jesus is the Messiah

WillToFight said...
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son of a prophet said...

easy one....

ever watch sports events....many times in the background you will see fans hlding up a placard:

JOHN 3:16

"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE SENT H-I-S ONLY BEGOTTEN S-O-N, SO THAT....ETERNAL LIFE"


KEY WORDS: GOD,HIS,ONLY,BEGOTTEN SON

IMPLICATION: YESHUA MUST BE GODS SON, ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN FROM GOD HIMSELF.

we are all spiritual children, but not gods begotten children, UNLESS YOU INLCUDE ALL OF ADAMS AND EVES CHILDREN AS DESCENDING FROM GOD BECAUSE GOD CREATED ADAM AND EVE.

WillToFight said...

DBNO said...

He says he is the son of man, and he calls God the Father, that applies to all believers.
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What is the meaning of what the Bible says Jesus said.

There Were greater before me, and there will be greater after me?

Seems to me that there is something we all can do. I will not argue with SOP.

down but not out said...

SOP said,

easy one....

ever watch sports events....many times in the background you will see fans hlding up a placard:

JOHN 3:16

"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE SENT H-I-S ONLY BEGOTTEN S-O-N, SO THAT....ETERNAL LIFE"


KEY WORDS: GOD,HIS,ONLY,BEGOTTEN SON

IMPLICATION: YESHUA MUST BE GODS SON, ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN FROM GOD HIMSELF


SOP, THE QUESTION WAS "WHERE DID JESUS SAY HE WAS THE SON OF GOD"

THE WORD TRANSLATTED TO BEGOTTEN IS A MISUNDERSTANDING. THE WORD MEANS "UNIQUE" THIS WORD WAS ALSO USED TO DESCRIBE ISSIAC, AND WAS CERTAINLY NOT ABRAHAM'S ONLY SON, HE WAS UNIQUE THOUGH.

SO SEARCH REAL HARD AND GIVE ME THE SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS HIMSELF SAYS HE IS THE SON OF GOD

son of a prophet said...

APOLOGIES....

yes, you got me on a technicality, counsel. i did not interpret your statement correctly.

off the cuff, i cannot quickly recall where yeshua did Himself say that He was the son of God.

nonetheless, we know that He was because the apostle John said it, but if this were a courtroom, techincally, yoy would be correct.

yeshua did say taht He was god, as he said..."you have seen Me, you have seen Deity."

son of a prophet said...

israel invades lebanon, going all the way to 10 miles of beirut.

all out war is about to break out.

hold to your hats everyone, s**t is aoubt to hit the fan BIG time.

so goes israel, so goes the world.

wars, terrorsit attacks, earthquakes, hurricanse, toronados, tsunamis, you name it

MAXIM: (HS WISDOM)

THE STATE OF PEACE OF THE WORLD IS INVERSELY PROPORTIANAL TO HOW CLOSE INVADING ARMIES GET TO JERUSALEM.

(IE., THE CLOSER THEY GET, THE WORST THE STATE OF THE WORLD WILL BE; WARS, 'QUAKES 'CANES, 'NADOS,
'RISTS, 'STROIDS, 'NAMIS, DEATH TOLL FROM THE ABOVE, ETC, ETC)


AND THEY ARE STARTING TO GET CLOSER

Pauligirl said...

To Willtofight
here's a really good overview of Admiralty law
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index.php/Admiralty
Admiralty law or maritime law is the distinct body of law (both substantive and procedural) governing navigation and shipping. Topics associated with this field in legal reference works may include: shipping; navigation; waters; commerce; seamen; towage; wharves, piers, and docks; insurance; maritime liens; canals; and recreation. Piracy (ship hijacking) is also an aspect of admiralty.

U.S. Constitution
Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.


I'll probably kick myself for asking...but what does the Dorean case have to do with Admiralty law?
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down but not out said...

SOP said,

yeshua did say taht He was god, as he said..."you have seen Me, you have seen Deity."




SOP. Can you give chapter and verse,please?

son of a prophet said...

down but not out said...
SOP said,

yeshua did say taht He was god, as he said..."you have seen Me, you have seen Deity."




SOP. Can you give chapter and verse,please?

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if i have a 'weakness', which i dont consider a weakness, others do, i do not memorise the chapter and verse of scripture, otehr than ease ones like JOHN 3:16 becaue i see it all the time at sports events.

however, once i read something in the bible, i can remeber what the verse says, but not the ch. and v. number.

i feel that this is lost memeory space, like in a computer.

as i have to devote less memory to exact ch. and verse numbers, the more actual scriptrue that i can quote.

but make no mistake, if i say a verse is in the bible, you can bet you mortgage on it, taht it is there.

besides, i feel that it is bette for soemone to look it up and spend time in the bible than to just go to the exact verse and see it there.

so what? soemone sees it there and moves on. total time spent, about 2 minutes.

this is not the way to learn scripture.

all time spent in the bible is productive. NO TIME SPENT IN THE BIBLE IS WASTED, EVEN TIME TRYING TO FIND VERSES THAT YOU KNOW ARE THERE.

GO TO THE CONCORDANCE AT THE BACK OF MOST BIBLES

son of a prophet said...

also, there are many free downloadabe internet version bibles available which have search engines inlcuded.

type in ch and verse and get the scripture or type in the scripture and it provide cha and verse

mogel said...

Down But Not Out: Here is the place that you seek:
John 14: 7, 9, 12

"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth, ye know him, and have seen him."

Also see: Hebrews 1: 3
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON".......

Jesus was teaching his apostles that his Father looked just like him, so his disciples didn't have to envision what the Father looked like because it was like looking at twins. Also Jesus taught that his doctrine wasn't his own, but his Father's because his Father taught him all things.

son of a prophet said...

i stand corrected; yeshua did say that He was the Son of God


Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou Blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? John 10:36

mogel said...

Luke 1: 35

"The Highest shall OVERSHADOW THEE: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called, THE SON OF GOD."

No immaculate conception here!!!! No mystery. God the Father, literally came down from Heaven in his glory & had some holy sex. Mary knew how this happened. There was no confusion.

down but not out said...

Great. We have established that Jesus said He was the son of God.

Did he claim that He had authority over God? Did he ever claim that His words usurped the word of God?

neodemes said...

NO

mogel said...

Did he claim that He had authority over God? Did he ever claim that His words usurped the word of God?
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The beautiful thing is that God & Jesus shared a "oneness" of purpose and doctrine and Jesus in the great intercessor prayer in John chapter 17 prayed that the world would also share this same oneness.

Most Christians misunderstand this oneness to conclude that they share a physical oneness of personality or person. This oneness of purpose implies that there is no conflict ever between God & Jesus. Jesus always did the will of the Father & was always perfectly obedient. Jesus received all his light and knowlege from his Father.

Jesus will NEVER have authority over God the Father. He will always he in a subordinate role and position. It is contrary to the meekness of Jesus to usurp God's will in any form, way, or fashion. Course, I think you already knew that, didn't you?

oksurewhynot said...

Itsmeson,
It's frustrating, but don't set yourself up for disappointment. Do you see any love, truth, or light on this blog (let alone any facts)? Kurt can't give you what he doesn't have. Keep praying, things will turn around.

son of a prophet said...

mogel said....


No immaculate conception here!!!! No mystery. God the Father, literally came down from Heaven in his glory & had some holy sex. Mary knew how this happened. There was no confusion



mog, you dont believe the immaculate conceptin???


interesting.

i do, but i do not believe in the 'perpetual virginity' of roman catholicsm