Thursday, July 20, 2006

The Time Has Come

There was a time and hour that Christ could know was the right time. He had to die on a Passover that had 72 hours between it and First Fruits. That may have only occurred once or twice in His lifetime. Our timing is not as precise but it is believed by us that our hour has come to put an end to this cause. We have done the work we were sent to do. There is nothing left to say that we haven’t said already. God may be hiding some information from us that will change our view but it has not arrived as of yet. We are at that cold-turkey choice where placing our lives into the hands of the living God is our only option. All of our training and study these 20+ years had led to this moment in history. Our beast is corrupt and without authority. Will it go completely to piracy or find honor at the last moment? The answer to this question is impossible to know and what we must wager our lives on. If they go pirate we have no protections but the living God and that is enough to take the risk. If they go to honor we have no way to discover except to wager our lives since they will pretend until the end. We know some of you have lost home, family, and reputation, which we understand is painful. We have done likewise and even more by placing our natural lives at risk. Regardless of the outcome we know that the Word of God is forever settled in heaven and is reliable for our trust. We had no choice from the beginning of this battle to see it to its full completion. The bankers have long since purchased these protection agents but I do not believe they are the omnipresent evil of their reputation. They are mere men who are riding the crest of a fraud they never thought would last this long and are doing all within their power to keep it on life support. They have a cold-turkey choice also. Do they go pirate, which exposes all their booty to piracy, or hope honor can still reign in this interruption in the status quo? They are not used to being placed in this position since the average men would have long since chickened out. Having finished our work it is time to plead guilty and go to sentencing that is expected to be 30 years to life. This is our cross and no one can comprehend what it takes to subject yourself to this unless you have a pattern of faith. Ridicule, ignorance, and stupid judgments really are insignificant. It is only on the other side of this grand display of commerce that we will win the reputation of the victor to complete out duty to the trust clients. Abraham in a little noticed scripture told his servants that he and the boy would be back, believing in faith that even if God was requiring the life of Isaac he was the promise and had to somehow survive death. Our promise has to somehow survive its threat of death. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He was trustworthy then and is trustworthy now. So dear friends we give you our lives. Pray the Lord returns us to you as your champions to restore, and recover the damages you have suffered. Let us finish this race giving God the one thing we know pleases Him and that is faith in His word. Thank you for all your support this is the only way we truly know how to repay you.

45 comments:

down but not out said...

Seems to me that this last post was delivered today knowing that the outcome Tuesday was not good.

I hope I am wrong though

papa_dont_preach said...

Thank you Kurt and Scott, from the bottom of my heart, thank you!

Gforce said...

You'll be Back!!----Even if you guys get sentenced, your Father will vindicate you. Jesus got sentenced and went to Hell, for a short while, but it could NOT hold Him. Sentencing means sht. As sons, live in the love of your Father and know that He is working in your behalf. While in jail, witness and get some people saved. Do the Father's work no matter where you are. I'm sure you do anyway. Joseph was sentenced for life and within an hour(just a guess) he was second to no one except Pharaoh. My deliverance and vindication has not manifested yet either, but it will. Trust in a loving Father---LOVE never fails.

whyudothat said...

uh oh that certainly didnt sound right.
so fred is gonna keep churnin the "another couple of weeks" speach for the next decade of appeals now?

tcob247 said...

Gforce said...
You'll be Back!!----Even if you guys get sentenced, your Father will vindicate you. Jesus got sentenced and went to Hell, for a short while, but it could NOT hold Him.



uuuuhhhhhhhhhh.....gforce

you forgot one VERY important fact.............

KURT AINT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!

I know this comes as a shock to you, but it's true.

I even have a sneaking feeling that Kurt is just now realizing that he is not the almighty one

Well after all the promises it comes to this?

How yall feelin?

wat up Will imbigio mogel etc?

Fire up that grill!!!!!!!!!
God has performed a miracle

try2brealistic said...

whyudothat said...
uh oh that certainly didnt sound right.
so fred is gonna keep churnin the "another couple of weeks" speach for the next decade of appeals now?


thats a far cry from the, "we have a proven system",

give me your money and we'll try out a theory and keep changing with it as the time goes by with your resources, isn't that what it really ever was?

Gforce said...

tcob--"Kurt aint Jesus"---true----He is Jesus' brother and a son of God. The Father loves all His sons equally.

Tony Tuba said...

How do we know Kurt isn't pulling the nay sayers leg again? Imbigo, you were there Tuesday, tell us if it is as grim as Kurt's post states.

neodemes said...

down but not out said...

Seems to me that this last post was delivered today knowing that the outcome Tuesday was not good.

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Kurt's posts lag behind actual time.

Are y'all sure he isn't posting about the guilty plea that was entered and rejected already?

Tony Tuba said...

Neo, for the first time you have posted a non slanting comment. Thank you for your honesty. I agree with you about the post. I don't thing it pertains to Tuesday's hearing. However, it would sure be nice to get the news from someone that was actually there!

mogel said...

Kurt said: " It is only on the other side of this grand display of commerce that we will win the reputation of the victor to complete our duty to the trust clients."
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Tycob: Did you miss that? The grill is still fired up and cooking.

neodemes said...

mogel said...

Kurt said: " It is only on the other side of this grand display of commerce that we will win the reputation of the victor to complete our duty to the trust clients."
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Tycob: Did you miss that? The grill is still fired up and cooking.

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Assuming that they plead guilty and are sentenced 30 years to life, how do you suppose they will complete their duty to the trust clients?

mogel said...

Tycob: I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, but if there is a sacrifice here & K&S do serve some time, this still doesn't mean the clients can't win and still have their promises fulfilled & that a settlement still can't happen. The issues are far from settled anyway even on a guilty plea acceptance by the Court, assuming the Court even accepted the 2nd guilty plea.

Remember, the Court rejected the first guilty plea and probably didn't like the conditions. No one knows on the blog what all the conditions were on the 2nd guilty plea. Sounds like it may be sealed by the Court still. We don't even know what the sentencing will be assuming there will be a sentencing anytime soon.

I still believe there is enough bargaining chips for both K&S to negotiate themselves out of any long sentence anyway assuming the worse. Also, you still have the pardoning power of the President. What if pressure can be applied higher up the power totem pole?

How did salvation come about. Did it necessitate some suffering & someone to pay the ultimate price? Did we all benefit from this sacrifice? Did Christ lose that others may win over death & Satan and have the opportunity for a greater prize and freedom from sin through forgiveness & other blessings of the atonement including the promise of the resurrection? Did all Christians stop believing because Jesus was sentenced to die and was crucified. No it made the movement much stronger and provided HUGE benefits.

If some parallels happen here, don't be surprised, but clients still shouldn't feel like they're a loser or a victim here either simply because a few MIGHT have to suffer for a short time. But things are still far from being over and some people STILL are jumping to conclusions due to impatience and not having all of the facts in front of them. Kurt is still relying on spiritual promises he has received. Let those promises come to fruition. Most people will probably choose to mock those promises.

It's still not over. You've got the Civil case against Judge Alsup & all sorts of appeals, and then you have the ability to sell the administrative judgments to return cash back to injured clients. How does a guilty plea negate the effect of those judgments?

There are still a number of bargaining chips not being given up. You still have all of the evidence of the bad behaviour of the lenders. The lenders fraud is still not negated by a guilty plea. Remember Kurt is not boxed into the many presumptions that the Court or naysayers have concerning the guilty plea. Kurt is guilty of exercising his constitutional rights to contract which can't be infringed by the government, no matter what accusations or illegal laws are passed, or what unfair judgments of punishment are decreed. So what? Does the recent posts sound like the confessions of a beat up man who has no hope of victory?

Besides as some has pointed out, the posts may not be in "real time". It's not that Kurt is using drugs as some idiot suggested.

What about the post that everything would be clear in about 2 weeks? What about that?

neodemes said...

"you have the ability to sell the administrative judgments to return cash back to injured clients. How does a guilty plea negate the effect of those judgments?"

WHAT JUDGEMENTS???? Did I miss some judgements somewhere?

"What about the post that everything would be clear in about 2 weeks? What about that?"

That post was prior to this post and there was also the post about everything being resolved by August or the end of August).

You are clutching at whatever straws you can find, mogel.

imbigo said...

It remains to be seen...

LETS JUST STAY IN MUCH PRAYER, WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE, WITHOUT HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING !!!

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

SEE YOU AT THE TOP!!!

whyudothat said...

mogel said...What about the post that everything would be clear in about 2 weeks? What about that?


mogel come on, is this the first time you heard "about 2 weeks"

Tony Tuba said...

Lets sum up your last statement imbigo, zilch. Come on man, you were there in the court room. Give us something I won't just read in a fortune cookie.

newgurl said...

yes imbigo can you just state the facts as you know tem please.

newgurl said...

them

Tony Tuba said...

Lets read what Kurt wrote two days ago.

"July 18 is the court date that will be pivotal. This day will expose to us the best exit strategy. It will not be the end only the doorway to it. They think they will be going to trial that will end in December. Even if that was a reality they are too optimistic."


I think Kurt is setting them up. There is no way Kurt is going to sit in jail for over a year and all the sudden bend over backwards and bow at the altar of big brother. No way! This is part of the plan. I'm betting my money on Kurt. A surprise awaits the generals of greed.

oksurewhynot said...

papa_dont_preach said...

Thank you Kurt and Scott, from the bottom of my heart, thank you!

THANK YOU FOR WHAT?
Losing peoples' houses, including their own?
Sucking up taxpayer money by tieing up the court and judges time?
Getting free food, shelter and medical care compliments of the state taxpayers?
Abandoning their personal responsibilies?
Disappointing others?
Setting bad examples?

mogel said...

Tony said: "I think Kurt is setting them up. There is no way Kurt is going to sit in jail for over a year and all the sudden bend over backwards and bow at the altar of big brother. No way! This is part of the plan. I'm betting my money on Kurt. A surprise awaits the generals of greed."
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I also sensed the same thought.
Kurt would not give in so easy unless it gives him an advantage to use to his greater benefit. There still is method and tactic to all of this. I believe it will be clearer as time goes on.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "you forgot one VERY important fact.............

KURT AINT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!
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You also forget one important fact too. When the Lord makes promises he also keeps them. Just like the promise to Abraham that he kept. No one ever really believed Kurt was Jesus. Did Kurt ever say he was? No, he always represented he was a man on a mission and that all glory should go to the Creator. And for that comment, he was labeled a narcissist.

I don't buy the idea that this is the end. If you choose to, that's your choice. Course you chose to give up long ago.

son of a prophet said...

mog,

i put aside my religious debate with you on this one.

YOU GAVE ME A BIG LAUGH HERE WHEN YOU SAID:

"Also, you still have the pardoning power of the President. What if pressure can be applied higher up the power totem pole?"


THAT WAS A FUNNY ONE FOR SURE, MY LAUGH FOR THE DAY.

THE PRES WAS PUT THERE BY THE BANKERS; DONT WANT TO BE HOPIN' FOR THE PRES TO BAIL YOU OUT!

YOUD HAVE A BETTER SHOT GOING QUAIL HUNTING WITH THE VICE PRES. LOL

other than that, the post was very good!

son of a prophet said...

CORRUPT FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD



The corrupt Federal Reserve Board is now standing in the way of 1.575 trillion in repatriated offshore funds earmarked for the U.S. Treasury in what is now being called in worldwide financial circles as the Wanta Plan.



An agreement was reached June 12 between U.S. authorities and Wanta, the legal trustor of more than 27.5 trillion in lost or stolen U.S . assets from the Cold War era, to return 4.5 trillion of the looted money by the Bush and Clinton crime families, less money for taxes and other related expenses.



However, the Arctic Beacon, one of the only news outlets in the country covering the hush-hush story, has learned the Federal Reserve Board has acknowledged the Wanta settlement and is now without sufficient public justification, blocking the return of the money which could turn the bewildered American economy around overnight.



Wanta made his first public statement on the massive settlement Wednesday on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, at www.gcnlive.com archives, as well as appearing with Greg on the Jeff Rense Radio Show at www.rense.com the same evening.



In one of the major stories of the century, Wanta provided details of a massive 4.5 trillion dollar settlement reached as a way to get the stolen money back into U.S. coffers, a settlement now being dubiously blocked by the Federal Reserve Board.



The vast sum of money, used illegally by corrupt insiders inside the U.S. government, was amassed by Wanta as part of a plan he and several other financial whizzes devised on behalf of President Ronald Reagan to destabilize the Soviet currency, bringing a quick end to the Cold War.



Wanta, jailed illegally for over a decade, began trying to recover the money when released on house arrest more than a year ago. The settlement reached on June 12 precludes him from trying to recover any more of the stolen money, which some financial observers estimate to be more than 70 trillion while calling it the biggest bank heist in the history of the world.



Regarding the Federal Reserve Board's action to black the Wanta Plan, an overseas financial watchdog group called Global Analysis Limited provided with a July 20 report about the inner-dealings taking place behind the scenes of the massive 4.5 trillion dollar settlement.



The following are excerpts of the exclusive report by Christopher Story forwarded to the Arctic Beacon, explaining the blockage of the Wanta Plan by the Federal Reserve Board:



In so doing, the Federal Reserve, which under the Economic Espionage Act

of 1996 [H.R. 3723]* "protecting proprietary economic information, and for

other purposes", is not even entitled to knowledge of the agreements and

intended transactions, is in breach of a large number of statutes - ?rendering

the Fed's Chairman, Dr Ben Bernanke, an American of German extraction,

and senior Fed officers, liable to severe consequences, not excluding being

picked up in front of TV cameras by Federal Marshals.



At the G-8 Meeting in St Petersburg, one subject dominated the discussions

behind-the-scenes: The Wanta Plan. This is the new name for the long-awaited

Settlement with Leo Wanta, the distinguished US Treasury/Secret Service

financial genius chosen by President Reagan to develop and implement

financial strategies for the transformation of the USSR under Gorbach붮



Under a revised agreement reached with the White House and the US Treasury,

finalised in November 2005 and signed in December, Leo Wanta, the Trustor of

giga-funds raised internationally and held offshore, agreed to implement a

financial strategy to rehabilitate the finances of the US Federal Government.



The Wanta Plan is of greater relative importance, by an order of magnitude,

even than the Marshall Plan, under which war-torn Europe was rehabilitated

in the later 1940s.



PROSPECTIVE TRANSFORMATION OF AMERICA'S PROSPECTS

For as soon as it is implemented, the US Treasury/Internal Revenue Service,

will begin to receive a stream of 'windfall' funds organised by Leo Wanta's

AmeriTrust Group. Inc. which will result in the transformation of the American

Government?s underlying debt position - ?while at the same time delivering a

profound and lasting shot-in-the-arm to the US economy that will reverberate

around the world.



The agreement provides for the prepayment of taxes to the US Treasury, at

the rate of 35% of the $4.5 trillion, equating to $1,575,000,000,000, together

with prepayment of taxation to the State of Virginia at 6%, amounting to some

$270,000,000,000. In addition, Leo Wanta has put mechanisms in place for the

further generation of corporation tax deposits payable to the US Treasury

Department/Internal Revenue Service of about $96 billion per banking day.

Because of financing transactions which will consequently be carried out by

complete article here

http://www.arcticbeacon.com
/21-July-2006.html

neodemes said...

Kurt was sent on a mission or given special promises by God, about as much as Joe "the Treasure Hunter" Smith was.

down but not out said...

Mogel said,

It's still not over. You've got the Civil case against Judge Alsup & all sorts of appeals.




All sorts of appeals? And just how many years will that take?
I for one have finally decided to "pull the plug" from all of this. It has been a two year emotional rollercoaster, and it is time to get off the ride.
However noble and valiant the cause, I just don't see the banks and courts letting facts prevail.

It is time to move on and start rebuilding what has been lost. No more pipedreams of settlement, no more waiting "just a few more weeks" and the best part? No more of SOP's goofy posts.

Good bye y'all

Seen it in Utah said...

Neo--I don't understand why you keep bashing the man's religion. I really expected that you would not stoop to this level. Don't disappoint me, buddy.

papa_dont_preach said...

oksurewhynot, I'm sorry that you cannot see past all of that. I almost lost my home so I've known and felt your frustrations. My thanks are for all their sacrifices and for especially putting their lives on the line for all of us.

However, the main difference is that I see the bigger picture and know and believe that this will come to fruition in our favor.

Come on oksurewhynot and everyone, we can get through this together! Stay positive and believe that it is consumated in our favor. Peace and Blessings to everyone.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Kurt was sent on a mission or given special promises by God, about as much as Joe "the Treasure Hunter" Smith was."
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I have to say Nemo, this is the stupidest and most uninformed thing you've said to date since I've read all of your posts. Talk about being brainwashed yourself & just accepting the garbage that you read. Garbage in, garbage out.

Joseph Smith was very poor along with his family. I'm sure the golden plates he was directed by vision to find and translate by the Angel Moroni, not by his efforts of treasure hunting on his own as you say, could have been a great temptation for Joseph Smith if what you said was true about his character.

Joseph's family was raised as a poor farmers, and very uneducated as such opportunities wasn't available to him. Joseph could not have translated those plates without the help of God and produced what is today known as the Book of Mormon. It is the second most widely read book of ALL TIME. Quite a feat for an uneducated man, don't you think?

He was no treasure hunter either. That accusation is something that is written in Anti-Mormon literature and has no basis other than to discredit the character of Joseph Smith with no facts whatsoever.

If he were a treasurer hunter and only interested in worldly wealth, he would have sold the golden plates for alot of money if worldly wealth was his sole aim. He did not do that. He knew if he did that, his soul would be cut off from the Lord PERMANENTLY. He was warned of this AND THE CONSEQUENCES.

Stop regurgiating vomit that you read and accept as facts in books that have no clue of the real truth and the aims of his heart and his godly character. `

mogel said...

SOP said: "THE PRES WAS PUT THERE BY THE BANKERS; DONT WANT TO BE HOPIN' FOR THE PRES TO BAIL YOU OUT!"
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So elections by vote have nothing to do with a President being elected?

I only mentioned this as a possibility because a reminder of this power was put in Kurt's own presentment in his own words in the post to the Secretary of the Treasury when he was asking for the 80 billion as a rememdy to all of this. You're not laughing at me, you are laughing at what Kurt wrote.

President Ford pardoned Nixon. President Clinton pardoned so many people of crimes it isn't even funny.

I didn't insinuate this was the likely scenario, but it is one avenue that maybe can "save face" for the bankers and government in case they want to use the President's position and also give Kurt freedom which should probably be necessary to reach an accord and satisfaction and resolution to all of this dishonor of the banks. Kurt obviously doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in jail and will do everything in his power to get out, but then again, isn't going to sell out his clients or integrity either in the process of all of this.

I wasn't trying to make you laugh.

mogel said...

SOP: Since you obviously lack reading comprehension, I'm posting Kurt's exact words on his June 30, 2006 post of his offer to the Secretary of Treasurer:

"That the office of the President agrees to apply the power of Pardon to the sovereigns Kurt F. Johnson and Dale Scott Heineman if any of the rogue agent’s damages are allowed to escalate to a criminal conviction of the Cestui Que Trusts KURT F. JOHNSON ad DALE SCOTT HEINEMAN through their manipulation of facts in evidence."

mogel said...

Kurt mentioned that Abraham knew that God could raise his son Issac from the dead. After all, he is God, he can restore life that is taken by man. So if Abraham was required to sacrifice Issac & take his life, Abraham in his faith knew perfectly that God would also be required to restore Issac's life since God made promises through his son Issac, that necessitated Issac to not be lost to death permanently. Hence, Abraham was not worried about the perceived commandment to offer up his son as a sacrifice. This was a test and a lesson to teach Abraham of things to come, namely the feelings of God the Father in his own ultimate sacrifice of giving his only Son as a blood sacrifice for the whole world to redeem all people. This request to Abraham was not based upon testing Abraham's faith alone. It was more of a teaching lesson.

Likewise promises were made to Kurt by the same God. How do we know that? Because Kurt said so, and those that know his heart knows that he wouldn't lie intentionally about something so important to his heart. It's not in Kurt's character to lie about his witness and promise from God. He has many times said he has been prepared for 20 years for this mission. For those that don't believe this, also can't understand either.

Similiarly as in the story of Abraham, Kurt doesn't know exactly how all things will play out exactly in details, but does know that promises will be fulfilled because God CANNOT lie. If he did, he would cease to be God, which can't be so either.

For those that don't have the faith, or don't understand that God ALWAYS fulfills his promises to all his children, all of those clients don't have what it takes which is the special gift, to understand that good will prevail over evil in this Dorean Saga eventually.

Things aren't always as they appear to be. Let that comfort you for now.

tcob247 said...

Mogel said.....

"Likewise promises were made to Kurt by the same God. How do we know that? Because Kurt said so"

Could it have just been some bad pizza Kurt had eaten the night before?

Do we believe everything out of Kurt's mouth because "Kurt said so"?

looloolooloolooloo

Cult warning.

Has everything (100%) Kurt said come to pass?
(true test of a prophet of God)

Looks like 30 years in the desert.
But, it's not so bad, we are footing the bill for the awesome food he gets to eat

Bottoms up buddy!!!!!!

oops, sorry

mogel said...

Tcob: Do you purposely twist my words to make a point or does that talent of yours come naturally? I don't believe 100% of things that anyone says. Prophets are a prophet ONLY when they speak the will and mind of God. Prophets are sometimes mistaken due to not being a God, BUT WHEN A PROPHET GIVES HIS OPINION, OR A PROJECTION, HE IS NOT SPEAKING AS A PROPHET, BUT AS A MAN. Prophets can have opinions. If you think that everything that comes out of the mouth of a prophet is automatically the mind, & will of God, then, you are sadly mistaken.

Would you lie about something closest to your heart? I don't believe you would anymore than Kurt would.

mogel said...

The Holy Spirit will confirm to a man WHEN a prophet is speaking as a prophet with a promise sure, and not giving an opinion as a man.

When a prophet speaks as a prophet, they will say, "Thus saith the Lord", or give the unequivocable indication that the words or promises are from God, and not from man.

The burden of proof therefore is not on the prophet of the validity of his words, but is on the person who not having the same Spirit cannot always tell from whence the words come from, because the Holy Spirit will not spiritually confirm the truth if the person is unwilling or unable to feel the Spririt due to the conduct and actions of his present life. The Lord gives his Spirit to his sheep that follow him and keep his commandments.

Kurt & Scott are not liars with unpure hearts. They will accomplish their mission one way or the other and do have the promise from God of victory.

mogel said...

Kurt said: "Our PROMISE has to somehow survive its threat of death. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He was trustworthy then and is trustworthy now."
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Tycob & Others: If you don't believe THOSE WORDS OF KURT'S and promise of Dorean's success, take your issues up to God himself.
James 1: 5-6

tcob247 said...

Moogie..
"Would you lie about something closest to your heart? I don't believe you would anymore than Kurt would."

Kurt said he had a proven system.
Later he claimed we were guinea pigs. Real nice guy, screwing with peoples homes and lives

"Tycob & Others: If you don't believe THOSE WORDS OF KURT'S and promise of Dorean's success, take your issues up to God himself.
James 1: 5-6"

Idiot....
I have NO ISSUES with God.
I believe his word
I DON'T believe Kurt

Do you understand that concept????

son of a prophet said...

hey mog,

relax a bit.... i wasnt poking fun at you or kurt....\


BUT, i stand by what i say....IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE PRES TO BAIL YOU OUT, IT AINT HAPPENIN' BUDDY!

and what about the 'elective process' which is FIXED???

forget about it!

NO WAY JOSE'!

you gotta beat this thing in court or out of it, but not by a pres pardon. if the pres gives anyone a pardon, it will be to his feinds the bankers for all the fraud they have committed.

Peanut Gallery said...

SOP,

Still can't get over Florida 2000 can ya. Your environmentalist whacko lost! Move on buddy. Get some therapy.

mogel said...

SOP said: BUT, i stand by what i say....IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE PRES TO BAIL YOU OUT, IT AINT HAPPENIN' BUDDY!
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Yeah, I guess you're probably right. You have to be a bonified and obvious criminal before the President pardons. I don't think Kurt is DEPENDING on any one thing, only HIS promise from the Creator that is sure. I don't believe I used the word "depend"; that was your translation.
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To Tycob: I think if you lived anciently, you would have stoned (metaphorically speaking) the prophets of old and laughed at them & reviled them too & still in the same breath said you didn't have a problem with God too. I understand that concept quite well as well as some idiots can comprehend that too. I would challenge you to find the words "proven system" in Kurt's own words on any conference call. Let me know when you find those exact words coming from his mouth in print or on audio, fair enough? I'll wait for your diligent research to let me know exactly where I can find that quote, date time, location, etc.

neodemes said...

Those words don't need to be shown coming from your boy Kurt's mouth, moogie.

They were plastered all over websites sanctioned by him and run by his broker boys (hey, you were (are) one, weren't ya, moog?), touting a "Proven, legaal and moral" method to eliminate your mortgage.

So your point is what? He permitted LIES to be published to help him collect millions but didn't utter the lies himself?

Don't be a moroni.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "So your point is what? He permitted LIES to be published to help him collect millions but didn't utter the lies himself?"
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That's your conclusion, not mine.
We've had this discussion before. No point in rehashing it again. It was proven that a discharge took place since that was automatic due to the lender's default in every case. The point you always fail to see is that K&S always said that the lender's behaviour couldn't be predicted. Don't take part of the truth & fail to discuss the other part to prejudice the complete truth. You are the master at doing that.

If you think some Brokers weren't chastized for certain behaviour and advertising that weren't in keeping with certain standards, again you are sadly mistaken.

Don't be a neophyte.

neodemes said...

Seen the latest order?

Take a look

I love the part about the seal.

ROFLMAO

neodemes said...

oops.

wrong thread.