Wednesday, August 30, 2006

Alsup’s Steady Diet 8/12/06

Judge Alsup is apparently one who impresses himself with his own speech. He has no problem spewing his aggrandized opinions for all to see. This character defect is one that comes back in a steady diet of having to eat his words. ***It is what got him recused from our case and there is a great example of this pattern happening again. In San Francisco there is a young reporter named Josh Wolf who Judge Alsup has placed with us here in Dublin for civil contempt. You can get the whole story at his webpage www.joshwolf.net. I want to focus only on the ignorant opinions of this jurist who has no problem holding men hostage while he entertains his stupidity. The elements around this reporter’s case is jurisdiction and the role of federal government in daily life. The feds argue that money given to SFPD gives them rights, title and interest in the police car that was burned in the protest Josh supposedly filmed. This is a local crime with local parties on local property. Judge Alsup says, “this case is a slam dunk for the government.” Where have I heard that before? Fortunately California is jumping in the mix to defend their rights. This is still a pansy response. The state should kick these federal bullies out and let them practice this totalitarian agenda from Nevada. Josh Wolf will win and Alsup will again eat his words. The young man had enough moxy to suffer the assault of abuse of power to expose again this great federal judge is a loose cannon. Seems Alsup’s career may very soon become all he says it will. An embarrassing statement!


***This blog was written before the recusal hearing.

46 comments:

dgwondering said...

Major difference dim bulb. Wolf didnt' scam anyone.

mogel said...

Dim DG Wondering: You missed the point again!!! If Judge Alsup insists on taking a person's liberty away or keeping one in prison, just for taking pictures or reporting a story, or protecting sources, or whatever Alsup's reasoning is, to allege contempt or civil disobedience, even without proper jurisdiction, it shows Alsup is a loose cannon if he is infringing again on constitutional rights of free speech. If Wolf didn't scam anyone as you insist, why is he ALSO IN PRISON? Maybe it's more a reflection on the Judge's character than the persons being imprisoned is the point that was being made.

Question: What's the difference between a light bulb and you?

Answer: The light bulb illuminates light. LOL

neodemes said...

Oops. NOT recused. Eat that. LOL

moogie, a bulb illuminates darkness, genius.

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel said..."You missed the point again!!!"

As usual, Mogel, you’re going off half cocked without all the facts. First, Alsup does have “proper jurisdiction.” Secondly, Wolf was jailed for contempt after he refused to turn over a tape subpoenaed by a grand jury, not “just for taking pictures or reporting a story or protecting sources”, as you have falsely asserted. “Subpoena” and “refuse” are the operative words here.

mogel said...

GR82bmoi: So refusing to turn over a tape CAN'T be considered protecting one's source as a journalist or protecting some libertarian or constitutional freedom? Are you stating emphatically that he has no legal basis for his refusal?

I suppose if you lived in 1933 and the governmen/court subponened you to turn over your own personal gold (your own personal property) you had worked for, you would also comply without a fight and not refuse the demand?

Why do you feel that the Federal government/court has jurisdiction over the State of California?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

A man from Japan just started working where I work. He doesn't speak English very well, but that didn't stop him from approaching me and asking a question this morning. With the most serious demeanor he asked me, "Is it true American women's vaginas are vertical?" Wow! I guess the old adage about Asian women was true after all! Go Figure!

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oksurewhynot said...

Quote for the day:
(this is code so you'll never figure it out)

"Nothing good ever came out of New Jersey."

oksurewhynot said...

A couple posts back Kurt was singing Judge Alsop's praises. Now Alsop is a "loose cannon". Can't believe anything we read these days.

On an earlier post Kurt's honoring Fruit for wisdom, and then slams the person a few weeks later.

Which is it, or does that depend on whether it's good Kurt or bad Kurt speaking?

son of a prophet said...

...and the shenangans continue over the $4.5 trillion....



Disturbing Twists and Turns in Release of Wanta Money and $4.5 Trillion for American People

31 Aug 2006

James R. Wilkinson, deputy national security advisor for communications, and U.S. Treasury Secretary, Henry M. Paulson, Jr., involved in illegal scheme to divert Wanta funds to Deutsche Bank/Berlin, according to Michael C. Cottrell, treasurer of AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc.

31 Aug 2006

By Greg Szymanski



Ambassador Leo Wanta's righteous quest to repatriate $4.5 trillion back into the U.S. economy has taken a twisted and disturbing turn for the worse, according to Michael C. Cottrell, treasurer of AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc., the corporation formed to distribute the money to the American people.



Cottrell said James R. Wilkinson, deputy national security advisor for communications, last Thursday signed off on the release of the money being held in a Clearing House Interbank Payment System credit account (CHIPS), an account credited to Goldman Sachs and Co. at Citibank.



Wilkinson and Henry M. Paulson, Jr., secretary of the Treasury, are the only two officials with signature approval over the $4.5 trillion Wanta money, but both have failed to comment publicly.



Wilkinson assumed his post in 2003 after serving as Director of Strategic Communications for General Tommy R. Franks. In his present position, he reports directly to the National Security Advisor and the White House with the specific task of crafting long-term messaging for the National Security Council.



However, according to Cottrell, after Wilkinson officially "signed-off" on the $4.5 trillion, disturbing twists and turns began to take place as the funds never were properly directed into Ambassador Wanta's account.



"We tried calling Paulson a week ago, but his secretary told us, point blank, never expect a call back from him - ever," said Cottrell Wednesday in an extended telephone conversation about the reluctance of the highest officials in the land to release trillions that would benefit the American economy.



Instead, after repeated inquiries, Cottrell learned the Bush administration had deviously devised an illegal plan to defraud Ambassador Wanta and, in turn, the American people by diverting the CHIPS account first to the Deutsche Bank/Berlin and then to two other banks.



Cottrell added this method of "signing-off and then transferring credit accounts" is used by less than scrupulous individuals as a financial smokescreen, giving the appearance the money is being released when, in fact, it is being illegally diverted for other purposes.



"They have been lying to everyone and it is clear they never want to release the $1.6 trillion into the U.S. Treasury. They are simply trying to steal the money and it appears they really want to bring down the economy and the country," said Cottrell, referring to the $1.6 trillion to be paid by Ambassador Wanta in federal taxes generated by the massive $4.5 trillion settlement.



Concerning the specific details of how officials are planning to illegally divert the Wanta money, Cottrell added:



"The process involves applying the credit of the Goldman Sachs chip to Deutsche Bank/Berlin's books. And then Deutsche Bank, through its subsidiaries, using that credit, which is illegal, begins doing a buy and sell on bank instruments, deriving a substantial profit which would eventually come back to one of several U.S. banks, for example, Wachovia.



"To verify this we have been contacted by three different credible sources telling us that this is exactly what's going on behind the scenes with Ambassador Wanta's money.



"But the main thing to remember is that the credit chip ($4.5 trillion) at Goldman and Sachs that's under Wilkinson and Paulson's signatures is specifically tagged for AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc., /Ambassador Leo Wanta and not for any other purpose which would be highly illegal."



In what has become known in international financial circles as one of the most important and explosive stories in the history of modern banking, the Wanta settlement has been the subject of a Bush administration cover-up ever since Ambassador Wanta entered into an official written agreement in November 2005 to repatriate money for the betterment of the American economy.



Further, in May Wanta verbally agreed to the distribution of the $4.5 trillion with President Bush along with the assistance of one Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) court judge and two U.S. Supreme Court Justices.



The settlement, also negotiated with the help of two major U.S. law firms, represents only a portion of the $27.5 trillion offshore fund established at the end of the Cold War, which is now under the legal control of Ambassador Wanta, as duly appointed trustor, a position given to him by former President Ronald Reagan.



Furthermore, it was always the intention of President Reagan and Ambassador Wanta to use the money for the benefit of the American people. But after Reagan left the political spotlight, Wanta was indiscriminately and illegally jailed by operatives working for the last three presidential administrations, who have instead pilfered the trillions for their own agenda and personal gain.



After Wanta's release from a Wisconsin jail in 2005, he was instructed in a 2003 memorandum opinion by Federal Judge Gerald Bruce Lee of the U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Virginia, to try and return the $27.5 trillion to U.S. coffers according to President Reagan's instructions.



The $4.5 trillion settlement is a culmination of his efforts after finding a dark and ominous financial trail of theft, bribery and deception, discovering in his quest to retrace the whereabouts of the offshore money that much of it had been stolen or diverted for private use by the last three presidential administrations.



Wanta also discovered, to his dismay, that a CIA disinformation campaign had been waged, spreading false rumors of his death, making it easier for those criminals inside the government to abscond with trillions.



To date he has provided the Arctic Beacon with documentation of more than $745 billion in stolen funds, including accounts leading to Bush. Sr., Neil Bush and former President Clinton. Wanta added that, at the time he entered into the settlement in May, he had further identified upwards of $2 trillion in stolen funds from accounts under his control, keeping the documentation as financial leverage in case the $4.5 trillion settlement falls through.



And since President Bush was notified in writing of the settlement in July, observers claim his "false American colors" have come shining through as he placed an immediate illegal hold on the money in an effort to protect the "financial dike from exploding" and the criminals in government being exposed, instead of doing the right thing and injecting an immediate trillion dollar boost into the American economy.



Regarding the possibility of a release of the much needed Wanta funds, Cottrell pointed to Sept. 7 as a date to watch. He said this date is important as the Chinese government has verbally backed Wanta's repatriation efforts, linking it together with earned investments owed the Chinese by the U.S. in the amount of $32 trillion.



After learning of the Wanta settlement and the fact the Ambassador was still alive, the Chinese set a Sept. 7 due date for the return of their investment money, long since frozen by U.S. authorities in what has become known as the "China Foundation Money."



"The link between Ambassador Wanta and the $32 trillion owed the Chinese goes back to the days of World War II-Cold War and connections with his Chinese business partner, Howe Kwong-Kok," said Cottrell, who also will appear on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, on Thursday at 1pm central at www.rbnlive.com and 2pm central at www.gcnlive.com to discuss the financial details of the Wanta story. "Out of loyalty and respect, the Chinese have thrown their support behind Ambassador Wanta and have applied added pressure so that U.S authorities release the money.



"It is also interesting that Treasury Secretary Paulson is on his way to China Thursday and we will have to wait and see if the administration does the right thing."



In other related financial shenanigans of an estimated $300 trillion in offshore money at the disposal of Bush Sr. and others intentionally diverting it from the American economy, Cottrell reported that $25 trillion of related offshore funds has been illegally sent to India in order to remove the funds from the immediate spotlight being shone into the eyes of the criminal gangs operating at the very heart of the U.S. Government and its structures.



The India connection, previously reported by Christopher Story of the International Currency Review of London, detailed the sophisticated money laundering scheme aimed at defrauding Ambassador Wanta, foreign governments owed money under the Reagan Cold War protocols and, of course, the much maligned American people.



"Specifically, the proceeds of these fund-washing operations are placed back onto the books from which funds were diverted, with the self-enrichment profits being transferred to India in the form of bonds. The key perpetrators of these continuing frauds include the President and Vice President of the United States, George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, Dr Ben Bernanke, the Secretary of Defense, Mr. Donald Rumsfeld, and also two successive Secretaries of the Treasury (John Snow and Henry M. Paulson).



Story continued: "Without going into excessive detail, the illegal operations have the effect of laundering U.S. dollars, including American taxpayers' funds of course, off the books, in collaboration with corrupt foreign officials and elected leaders with the crooked, illegal proceeds being placed back onto the books where 'holes' created by previous organized financial scams need most urgently to be plugged.



"These ongoing frauds, sanctioned at the highest levels, enable past giga-financial scams to be covered up while holders of high office participate in successive fraudulent transactions off the books with corrupt foreign counterparties lodging their illegal untaxed profits offshore. The attitude of the criminals involved is that the purpose of holding high office is self-enrichment, rather than serving the US nation and the abused American people."



Besides the Wanta settlement and Chinese money owed, under the Reagan protocols Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Mexico and Spain are involved, having a special interest in the way U.S. authorities handle the Wanta settlement and the offshore money since they are due to be paid $5 billion each. In addition, $30 billion is payable to the Russian Federation.



Asked about the impending worldwide ramifications if the U.S. fails to meet its commitments, Cottrell said:



"The ramifications are, one, that the Chinese will pull the plug on all their credit chips and, two, that all the banks will also withhold or not deal with any transactions that involves the U.S. government.



"In other words, the long term financial ramifications are that the U.S. would become insolvent and go into bankruptcy as the economy comes tumbling down unnecessarily on the American people."



For more informative articles and numerous other articles involving Ambassador Leo Wanta, go to www.arcticbeacon.com



Greg Szymanski Greg also has his own daily show on the Republic Broadcast Network. Go to www.rbnlive.com Greg Szymanski is an independent investigative journalist and his articles can been seen at www.LewisNews.com. He also writes for American Free Press and has his own site www.arcticbeacon.com

Listen to my Radio Broadcast live Monday night at 8pm Pacific time on LewisNews, returning Jan. 1 2006 Radio http://webs.lewisnews.com/radio/index.htm. Greg is also regular on Rense.com the first Thursday of every month at 9-10 pm pacific time

son of a prophet said...

'Regarding the possibility of a release of the much needed Wanta funds, Cottrell pointed to Sept. 7 as a date to watch. He said this date is important as the Chinese government has verbally backed Wanta's repatriation efforts, linking it together with earned investments owed the Chinese by the U.S. in the amount of $32 trillion."



"After learning of the Wanta settlement and the fact the Ambassador was still alive, the Chinese set a Sept. 7 due date for the return of their investment money, long since frozen by U.S. authorities in what has become known as the "China Foundation Money."


"The ramifications are, one, that the Chinese will pull the plug on all their credit chips and, two, that all the banks will also withhold or not deal with any transactions that involves the U.S. government."


SO, does this mean that something will happen by sep. 7th if the $$$ is not returned??

if china "pulls the plug" on credit as the article states, this will cause immediate economic collapse, then something BIG must give... terror attack, missile strikes on iran, n. korea or ?? to divert attn from the issue, etc.

what do you think will happen?

tcob247 said...

what do you think will happen?

I think terrorist will strike at the Super Bowl

laughing lots said...

Mogel said:
I THINK THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A CAUSE WHICH IS ADMIRABLE.

I think you have misunderstood princess mogel. An example of that is; when the dim duo went to court and Kurt was asked his name, he would say ignoramus things like “that’s not me, I’m the son of bla bla”, and if his name was spelled in capitol letters he would say, “ that’s not my name”. I think that is an EXAMPLE of acknowledging the judicial system. If they don’t want to acknowledge who they are fuck em. It seems as though it’s not only over YOUR head, but your completely brainwashed by those two, I forgot you want to get rich quick too.
There are people who have been lobbying for what and who they believe is wrong in government for almost one hundred years, they aren’t in prison!
Its no secret that the government is a bunch of crooks, but do I want to die in prison to try and prove something that is already known? No thanks. How about you genius, want to do THAT?? That’s what I thought!
Why not start up again like you were before, except this time BE SUCCESSFUL and your brothers in crime and see where it will get you, if you’re so admirable. I would love to see what you would do. I know what you would do, you would be bubbas boyfriend!
It seems as though when someone says something you don’t like or agree with you get VERY angry, why is that?
And what cause is the criminal duo fighting? Lets see, you think that getting a refi on a clouded title is ok? You think that some people loosing their house is ok? If you do, then YOU are the asshole. This isn’t rocket science, play with fire you get burned, and rightfully so.
So I agree with princess, and I don’t feel sorry for them, and by their own hand will sit in jail for years to come and they already have their next scam figured out for you to follow with honor mogel, hey maybe you all will be out of jail in about 30 yrs.. That’s not too bad for fighting a LOST cause huh?
There is no honor in what they or YOU do dimwit, there are no get rich schemes knucklehead, you have to work hard for it, pay your taxes and live a productive and FREE man.

son of a prophet said...

lol said....

"There is no honor in what they or YOU do dimwit, there are no get rich schemes knucklehead, you have to work hard for it, pay your taxes and live a productive and FREE man."



ssshhhh.....dont tell the bankers that....that is exactly how they have not they made their $$$$ but want you to make yours.....

mogel said...

Laughing Lots said: "There is no honor in what they or YOU do dimwit, there are no get rich schemes knucklehead, you have to work hard for it, pay your taxes and live a productive and FREE man."
___________________________________
I would say you are the one that seems angry. You can't make a point without throwing out names & making conclusions that have no basis.

So how do you KNOW they are planning their next scheme as you call it? Pure hogwash AND HYPE.

laughing lots said...

How do i know? Because thats how career crimanls make money. If im not mistaken this is kurts second time in jail for fraud, oh im
sorry, for NOTHING!
So when you goin back to business as usual mogel so you can see your idols behind bars?? Again, i thought so! scared to go to jail mogel?
hahahahahaha!!!!
You are so weak minded and brainwashed
I still have some of that koolaid, its not too late!!!!!

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
So how do you KNOW they are planning their next scheme as you call it? Pure hogwash AND HYPE.

That's a very simple question to answer, Mogel.

It's call a PATTERN.

habakkuk said...

"what do you think will happen?

I think terrorist will strike at the Super Bowl "

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING TCOB IS THAT THIS LEO WANTA STORY IS MADE UP?? I'VE BEEN LISTENENG TO WEEKLY INTERVIEWS ABOUT THIS AND BELIEVE ME ITS REAL. I JUST LISTENED TO AN ARCHIVE (MARCH 23, 2006 ON RBN LIVE RADIO...GREG SZYMANSKI SHOW) OF WANTA HIMSELF TELLING HIS STORY....ITS JUST AS REAL AS THAT NICE GREEN LAWN AND WHITE PICKET FENCE YOUR STARING AT OUT YOUR WINDOW.

tcob247 said...

habakkuk said...

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING TCOB IS THAT THIS LEO WANTA STORY IS MADE UP??

Did I say that?

Are you putting words in my mouth?
I do have a question though.

The media hates Bush and would love to bring him down. They do everything now to put him in the worst light possible.Why, with all the facts hasn't one media outlet jumped all over this story? I mean we are talking trillions of dollars right?

Again, I'm not saying that is is not true, but I'm just wondering.

Don't say it's a big media conspiracy. You can't buy off 100's of newspapers and TV stations alnog with thousands of reporters who would love to be the one to scoop this monster

mogel said...

Laughing Lots said:
"How do i know? Because thats how career crimanls make money. If im not mistaken this is kurts second time in jail for fraud, oh im
sorry, for NOTHING!
So when you goin back to business as usual mogel so you can see your idols behind bars?? Again, i thought so! scared to go to jail mogel?"
________________________________
To show how stupid your comments are, let me respond and explain. I have been to jail twice TOO.
First time was for a simple traffic violation, however, the cop accused me of "evasion of arrest" even though he was on foot, and I was in a car, and made other accusations that were totally false, which charges were immediately dropped the same afternoon by his supervisor. If I were really evading arrest, it would have been easy to get away. I paid my traffic fine after an afternoon in jail, & went on my way.
The second time I spent time in county jail was started by me simply "renting a mobile home without a license permit fee". The City wanted to reach into my pocket, and I refused to let them. They filed suit and charges. Hardly criminal offenses in both cases, however, this doesn't make a person a CAREER CRIMINAL as you say. Most people in the county jail I knew were there for alcohol or driving related offenses, and they had "work release" privileges too, certainly not criminals most of them. You're an idiot!!! How can I be scared of something I've already done before? People are generally afraid of the unknown, not the known.

Two times in jail is definitely not a pattern. You need to look up the definition of a pattern or routine.

mogel said...

For something to be a "pattern" it must be CONSISTENT and a tendency or chacteristic specific to an individual's ongoing norm. Two events is not a pattern. That would be like saying if you had ONLY 2 fights with your significant other or spouse, you have a pattern to be unkind and argumentative. Anyone can see how stupid that is generatlization is. Or if you made two mistakes in your life, you have a pattern to be a failure, so you are doomed to failure.

Even random events can happen twice in a row. Doesn't make it a pattern. Ever rolled the dice twice and came up with the same roll? Gosh it must be a pattern? Duh!!!!!!!!!

habakkuk said...

"Don't say it's a big media conspiracy. You can't buy off 100's of newspapers and TV stations alnog with thousands of reporters who would love to be the one to scoop this monster "

#1 Did you listen to the online interview with mr. wanta?? If not, you need to go listen to it because it would answer your question. And please dont tell me you dont need to listen because you already know whats going on in this country...you have no idea (neither do i) whats going on behind closed doors...But mr. wanta has first hand experience having worked for Ronald Reagan (one of our greatest presidents) and even saving him from assasination once (you didnt hear about that either in the media).

#2 If you practically own the media why do you need to buy them off. And...no reporter or person responsible for running a story wants to risk his career or his LIFE. If you heard about what happened to leo wanta you would know what these people are capable of. His business partner was murdered with rat poison several days after a confrontation with Bush Sr. (wanta was at that meeting). ANd wanta found out he was supposed to die the same time.

It sounds like his son, Bush jr., knows exaclty whats goin on...Thats why he's blocked the money which is from a judgement already awarded by a Federal judge.

Let me guess, you bleieve everything fed you by Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Wolf Blitzer, etc...right?

son of a prophet said...

"Let me guess, you bleieve everything fed you by Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Wolf Blitzer, etc...right?"

its funny, because someday these people are going to figure out that they are/were being used....

just ask rush bimbaugh....

when theyre done with you, you sink and so will the above mentioned personalities.

habakkuk said...

Wanta said that Reagan never trusted Bush...Bush was always trying to find out what Wanta (and others helping him) were up to with regards to the currency strategy, etc...But Reagan told him always to report to him and never discuss it with Bush.

As a matter of fact he said that the group that was plotting to assasinate Reagan were foreginers that cam in the country via TEXAS (in the interview he left that up to our imagination) and if not for an insider who got word of it and leaked it to Wanta, Reagan would have been a goner while he was in office.

This guy Leo Wanta is a true American hero...and i had no idea who he was unitl recently. This money that he is the legal trustee over is the stolen spoils from the Cold War that were supposed tobenefit the American people but were hijacked by Bush Sr. and others in the New World Order Club.

habakkuk said...

Amen to that SOP!

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
what do you think will happen?

I think terrorist will strike at the Super Bowl



Know
YOU DONT THINK! PERIOD......................


YOU MUST HAVE THE I.Q. OF -30, BASED ON THE CRAP YOU HERE POST AS FACT, WHEN IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN YOUR OPINION.

Oh ya I thought I would never stop ROFLMAO when you said you wer'nt working because your were living off your investments.

Sure you are! I have know problem beleiving that. I had heard somewhere that BEGGER COULD BRING IN SIX FIGURES. I Glad to see you applied your self and showed that being a BUMM dose'nt mean saying you have to do without.

Way to go TIN CUP!

Hey I was woundering do you get a GOLD CUP or something when you stop begging ,likie they give someone who has worked all there life a gold watchwhen they retire?

Just curious, You know? It's not everyday you hear about a gay guy ..such s your self
(oh dam it, there goes one of those spelling errors witch one is it? Huh ....... oh, who cares any way, your not hung up on that sort of thing right? Now back to what I was saying) that makes his living asking people for spare change or a BUMM! that makes it to retirement. With the fore thought and insite to have made put some away and end up with all the money that you have & let's not forget the investment options along the way.
It sound so ...? Should I say...... I can't think of a word that fit's here. This being something you don't hear about all the time. Well you what you are .. know one ned to tell you who you are! ...Right?
THAT'S RIGHT! Your a Mover and a Shaker. That old Clinka-clanka Plink-a tinka- in the cup it goes Clanker! The one, the only, the one we like to call "TIN CUP" Money Maker!
You go with your bad self!

That’s the way to show them how begging for cahnge dos'nt have to keep you down. Right?
Ya That Right!


LOL HA Ha!ha ha ha! Please stop, your killing me!



Your retired & living off your investments.

Thanks that got to be the best one I heard this week. My side is going to hurt for a week from all the laughing over it.

But for real now, you don't expect anyone to buy that story, do you?

What a marrrroon

That’s that’s that’s all folk’s!
See you next time in the funny papers.
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tcob247 said...

Laugh all you want Kahooya

It's OK

I'm glad you think it's funny

If it makes you feel better about yourself, then I am all for it.

(by the way it was 7 figures)
I know you will like that

For the rest.

No I dont believe everything Rush etc says.
I don't trust the GOVT or polititians and have a tendency to believe the Wanta story.

All I did was ask a question
Go ahead, shoot me

habakkuk said...

"No I dont believe everything Rush etc says.
I don't trust the GOVT or polititians and have a tendency to believe the Wanta story."

Ok great....something we both kinda agree on...We're making progress.

My point to others on this site is if you believe the Wanta Story, it aint hard to believe in the other "conspiracy therories" out there that are connected to the Wanta Story.

And i voted for Bush...i'm having a bad case of voters remorse right now...and i dont think the other guy was a good alternative either. But the more i hear about what the Bush's are wrapped up in, its disturbing to me. Bush Sr. is a gangster in a suit and tie....and it sounds like his sons are well aware of Daddy Bush's illegal shinanigans.

KYHOOYA said...

What are the odds of one family have so many members in the political arena any way. Let's not even do the numbers about how a father and son become the leader & Cheif of this country with in only 8 count them 8 years of one another that has got to be up there. Bet the odds wouldpass up that 27 Trillion of witch you know is the truth what the f)(*k has Mr. Wanta got to gain from the story but something around the 45mm size. you know it only brings him trouble and aas we saw when Dan Rathers whet up and said something about old Jr. he will say it him self he was set up and did so I hear in a broad cast.

Things that just make you go HUH! "NOW THATS FUNNY", I DON'T RECALL THAT WIRE BEING THERE BEFORE!

TYou can put the end to that one for your self.

The truth is if we as a people of this country don't pull the reins in on the crap that the goverment is doing we will find are son's and daughters will live in not so much a democoracy & and more of a Dick ta tor ship and they will have there perents to thank for it and for there lack of willingness to expose the may be a proble things in there closet and fight back.

You know you have to wonder why and what makes a man who has a lot of money already take a chance and steel and do some oof the things that the Bushes seem to have done and ae doing (I swear that Jr. is out to get a shopping list done inhis short term because he is focased on it and what are the chances that there is going to be another Bush in the whitehouse any time in the future)

I tell youal you have to do is to look at the smallest of list , taht point to real facts about the Bushs gang and you can't not see what is going on .

I mean look at this

1 the 8 years between the two as pres .
that is a record breaker

2 The fact that surround the way Jr. got into office are a little shady to say the least and are more than likly the results of the campain and poll tampering that we will hear about way down the road when its to distant tio care.

3. the brother as Gov. in the state that had the biggest contraversy over the count at the polls . come on give me a break these tree thing alone are big enough to say there is something funny going on with regard to the hole Bush family tree branch.
4 you have Bush Sr. who signs a contract with one of the largest gold minning co. in the world ,right out of office and the al of a sudden the same company get a contract and the rights to mine 10 billion in golod ore in the state s and what did they pay for that $10 thousand dollars that right you heard right 10 Tousand dollars for 10 Billion worth of gold.

Nice to have someone right a letter and get that little price . must be wholesaleers pricing like in the banking industry with brokers . What do you think here a little add to that the same company was linked to baering 50 miners in a bid for the rights to get the gold there in south america theminers had the right intill they were done and then the company could do theres they did'nt want to wait. I guess?

this was a interveiw with Greg Phlates a writer and reporter of these kinda storys that by the way the us has all but band his book intilol it went to best seller around the woerld then they had no chose but to let it in to be sold and he also did the interview with Dan Rathers about the whole thing that Took place whithregard to BUsh Jr. and the rest, (Ithink the quote was " I can't report the news the'll linch me") Now thats a powerful thing to say about the leader and Cheif of this country if it wer'nt the truth . that is a bit of it the hole storys is even more interesting to read.

ther are just afew and I got to run

You know no matter what side your on with regard to the Dorean case the facts remain that this along with any other truth should be looked at and then if indeed the turth points to the fact that there is badd men doing bad things then we better wake up and do something what hat is I am not sure but I no this if we doo nothiung we can kiss the way of life we are lucky to have by by and the fact will remain that are kids will pay for it at are lazy ass lacking . so there you go something to think about the next timeyou say to your self "Huh now thas odd I don'tremember that wirP)_*()(^&&%# befor it to late means exactly that before not after your sure everything will go the way you hope it will it means getting off your ass and doing something


Now before you and I mean Tin cup say what am I doing to make a change I will say thins I p-ost like this Ihave three law suits goinhjg and will cary through anything else I can find as a remedy to thing that are not right well you my freind sit on your lazy ass and post unnessasary crap to stop anjyone that might just stand up and go against the mass to make a change . go on keep on keep in on cuase your son will know right were to point his finger when he asked why did'nt you do something when you had the chance now it's to late what will we do. you do nothing and then if thatwere not enought you want to bring the iones who might to your level and to the end there chance that might make that difeerace.

as someone said just latly take alook at history and see my freind it only took one woman to say that she was'nt going to sit in the back of the bus to make a country changso you never know what one person might do ittill the dust settels and you can see all the facts is nothing more that fear of the unknown. step thru and



"Let ther be light and there was light "

Sorry just alittle AC/DC for momment

You know Tin CUp AC/DC get it yo0u dum-ass mother 7 0000000000$ your funny LOL

by all I'm late because of thgis site lick a train wreck as some one said it's like a train wreck

might be able to stop this one justget out and find the fact ans then share them with the big eye roller and doit intill they get it and they'll be one more working to change things for the better

Now how can you go wrong with that ?

KYHOOYA said...

dgwondering said...
Major difference dim bulb. Wolf didnt' scam anyone


still the same judge though isn't it So what makes you so sure that he won't make a bad chose on soome other case if he has with Wold?

laughing lots said...

mogel said: blah,blah,blah!!

Your compairing apples to oranges. How can you compare a traffic offense to fraud and conspiracy, you can't, good grief man! I dont, and i am sure no one cares if you have been to jail for a traffic ticket goofus.Looks like your stepping it up a notch huh?
Graduating to the big time?
If your not scared, go for the big one and do 30+! I THOUGHT SO!! There is a big difference between a couple of days and doing 30 years.
I sure hope that you dont have a family who depends on you for support with a thought process like yours. They may never know when your going away to do the BIG one next time.
So you dont see a pattern in going to jail for fraud two times? wait, for NOTHING right?
your really screwed up huh?
Please dont even comment because your comments are getting more ridiculous everytime. Anyone with a brain the size of a turtles can see right through you and your silly comebacks....

whatdoyoumean said...

I don't publicly criticize Bush because he claims to be born again. Many of his decisions and his affiliation with the skull and bones makes me seriously question his true agenda. However it is impossible to know his heart so I keep my mouth shut either way.
Some serious questions though. Including the odds on getting into office 8yrs after dad, how about your election results hinging on your brothers state? And having the majority of your administration being fellow skull and bones members? Pretty hard to swallow. It really reminds me of the movie Manchurian Candidate.

laughing lots said...

OH mogel i forgot!
You got arrested for not having a license permit on a mobile home?
Typical trailer trash!
I still have some of that koolaid.

mogel said...

Doofus said: "How can you compare a traffic offense to fraud and conspiracy,"
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The point I was making is that people go to jail & go there for non-criminal acts. Obviously you missed my point. Who is charged with conspiracy? Certainly not Kurt or Scott. You can't even get your facts straight, so how can you talk about the difference between apples and oranges? I suggest you learn the real issues and come back to this forum so you can post intelligently next time.

You said I was afraid to go to jail. I shot your premise and assumption out of the water because I've already been there.

You don't even know the definition of a "pattern". Even if a pattern existed, you still can't KNOW & say something is going to happen based upon a pattern, but a pattern doesn't even exist. I find you comments arrogant.

Once Kurt finishes everything, he won't need to work for the rest of his life if he so chooses. What point would there to be to think of another scam as you put it. The issue wouldn't be about the money anymore as a driving force,if he starts another business enterprise, that's for sure when you have multimillions, so no need to make money the main object of desire anymore. Course you are also assuming that money is his main motivating force now. How arrogant is that as if you think you are God and know the desires and purposes of one's heart?

laughing lots said...

Your sooo brain washed and weak minded silly mogel.Do you really think that kurt is going to just sit back when he gets out,christ have mercy man!
You seriously need help.
You poor family, if they havent disowned you already they should.
HEY! i hear the trailer park is holding its weekly forum of life eating mayonaise sandwiches, listening to john cougar melancamp records and sleeping with their own sisters at jethro's, you WILL be there huh?

mogel said...

Doofos said: "Your sooo brain washed and weak minded silly mogel.Do you really think that kurt is going to just sit back when he gets out,christ have mercy man!"

???????? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING HERE & PROVIDE ANY VERIFICATION OR PROOF OR THOUGHT OF ANY KIND WORTHWHILE OF ANY RELEVANCE? ON THE CONTRARY, I THINK YOU ARE BRAINWASHED.


You seriously need help.
You poor family, if they havent disowned you already they should.

ANOTHER STUPID ASSUMPTION. YOU SEE I'M SINGLE. YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN. NO FAMILY.


HEY! i hear the trailer park is holding its weekly forum of life eating mayonaise sandwiches, listening to john cougar melancamp records and sleeping with their own sisters at jethro's, you WILL be there huh?

OWNING A MANUFACTURED HOUSING COMMUNITY IS PROFITABLE. WHAT HAVE YOU EVER OWNED IN THE PAST BESIDES A PREJUDICE AND ARROGANT ATTITUDE? WARRENT BUFFET THE 2ND RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD, RECENTLY ACQUIRED A CONTROLLING INTEREST IN ONE OF THE LARGEST SYNDICATION OF MANUFACTURED COMMUNITIES & SALES LOTS IN THE COUNTRY. ARE YOU SMARTER OR RICHER THAN HE?

laughing lots said...

Frog brain said:
blah,blah,blah.
Your funny.Dont get so upset, Its o.k if your white trash.No wonder your single..
hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jackie said...

How can wolf help Kurt and Scott publish they're story? Does anybody know where this journalist publishes his stories?

neodemes said...

mogel says:

"I would say you are the one that seems angry. You can't make a point without throwing out names & making conclusions that have no basis."

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You may want to go back and read through some of your own posts, there, moog...

mogel said...

Josh Wolfe's mother says that Josh will be released on bail very soon.
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Josh Wolf reports on his blog:

In a recent post on my blog, I told the story of Scott Heineman and Kurt Johnson whose business activities as the Dorean Group are currently embroiled in a legal battle with the Federal government. I’m pleased to report that they are no longer being held in isolation and are in good spirits as they get ready for their next court date which will take place at the San Francisco Federal Building on September 5th.


On a related note, I need to clarify a misunderstanding regarding an earlier statement that Judge Alsup had recused himself from this case; this is not true, although Heineman and Johnson were under the impression when the previous post were authored."

neodemes said...

August 31st - ding - times up.

Is it settled yet?

oksurewhynot said...

What's the scoop on K & S being in solitary since Aug 15th?

And why was Kurt throwing his mail to the ground in a tantrum when the counselor tried to deliver it to him?

neodemes said...

It was probably all the crap he had sent out, being returned, unopened and unwanted.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "It was probably all the crap he had sent out, being returned, unopened and unwanted."
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Maybe that was Kurt's basis for saying things would be settled by the end of August 2006. Kurt may have sent an offer/agreement/contract to the Bureau of Prisons. The BOP accepted Kurt's terms by refusing the contract/agreement and sending it back to him. The BOP are in dishonor by their act.

Kurt didn't accept the return of the paperwork, so that's why he was possibly going to be accused or charged with littering. Maybe being put in solidary confinement has something to do with these events; I don't know.

I would guess from Kurt's point of view, the actions of the B.O.P. is an acceptance of Kurt's terms. It's the idea that (1) dishonor is acceptance, (2) silence is acceptance, (3) arguing is acceptance, (4) performance is acceptance.

When the return of mail was returned this is not only dishonor but a performance if you will by the act of returning the paperwork, agreeing that the other person is correct, and the act of returning the mail is an act indicating such. It's a form of estoppel I would think.

Whether all of this is true or not is going to be debated of course.

Anyway, Kurt did say after this had happened, "he was relieved because the liability had been removed."

He has said that the B.O.P. is holding him there "without a contract" or without authority. Maybe the paperwork he sent that was returned was a demand to prove their authority to hold him there without a contract. He also said that the B.O.P. was getting nervous about things.

Maybe some remember on a blog post long ago that he said something to the effect that the original warrant to arrest him originally was revoked by CA & later he was arrested anyway and extradited off to Utah without authority & has been held and imprisoned & in custody and without bond ever since & without any speedy trial or resolution to all of this. There are rules to follow in all of this, and apparently many rules have been broken badly.

Also in a previous blog he mentioned he had to wait for the notices to cure to mature or run out.

Remember one notice or offer was sent to the Secretary of the Treasury indicating that he would settle things for 80 billion. I would assume by the end of August 2006, the Secretary of the Treasury is now in default of that offer, so their default might be argued is an acceptance too of that offer.

This is my interpretation of these events anyway for whatever it's worth. In the very least, I'm sure there was some sort of reasoning or believed basis to believe that issues could be settled by the end of August 2006.

comebackfromfantasyland said...

did everyone get their settlement yesterday?

raise your hand if you did