Tuesday, August 29, 2006

Suffer me a look

There are many detractors on here claiming they know the voice of God and sit in judgment of us. I want to make it clear to you who are looking on that truth easily divides the arguments. Neo, TCOB and others are convinced that because people suffer God is not in it and we are scammers. These are the prophets of circumstance who trust only their eyes and old-wives tales logic. Using one good example let’s see if God’s history justifies this mental midgetry. Moses the famed deliverer had to go against the big bad government of that time. He went before pharaoh and said let my people go. He was being obedient to God in doing so. Pharaoh sent him away and increased the punishment upon the people. Men who failed to keep pace even under the harsher demands had to use their children as bricks in the wall. Now losing a house or divorce is suffering but continuing to build a wall while your child cry’s entombed in it seems more severe. Where is God? He must not be in it otherwise there would not be this pain. Moses is a nut, a kook, a false prophet and false deliverer. It was two years of this before God sent Him back to pharaoh with the ten plagues you all know about. Another reason you can tell these people are false is their lack of endurance and vacillating. Fruity is the good example here. She said she was appointed by God to expose our fraud. Where is she now? She got wore out by my arguments or just tired. If Christ started her faith He apparently doesn’t have finishing faith and His word that says He does is a lie. God doesn’t lie and those whom He calls He enables, including endurance to finish. Quitters are fakers. You will know them by their fruit. Moses trusted God in the midst of the suffering and he had the finishing faith to wear out pharaoh in the end. How about you, are you a moaner and a whiner like the fools on here or do you want to see more than what your eyes can see? You have not seen me waiver under this harsh trial once in over a year. I am not a better, stronger man than any of you. The same living God who gives me a hope bigger than my suffering circumstance also says to you “Follow Me.” Once you start that same power will cause you to finish and not even the gates of hell can prevail against that power. You think the feds are tough, Scotty and I laugh. They are so incredibly handicapped we can’t even use our best game. You guys with eyes as trusted advisors could never see what I see so don’t bother looking. Everybody has faith but those whose object is not God’s word fade out in the heat of life. One object is eternal and the other temporal.

45 comments:

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Mogel - duz - knot - & - sir - e - mail

tcob247 said...

Kurt said...

Neo, TCOB and others are convinced that because people suffer God is not in it and we are scammers.

Kurt....
I never said that, so don't put words in my mouth.
I know that some of the people who suffer most are doing God's will
I just don't think that you are one of them
Big difference


The same living God who gives me a hope bigger than my suffering circumstance also says to you “Follow Me.”

Follow him or you?
Big difference



You think the feds are tough, Scotty and I laugh.

Will you be laughing the whole 30 years you are in jail?

laughing lots said...

This guy is really mentally ill, man oh man!
tcob247 dont you know that this is kurts 2nd time in jail for NOTHING!oh, i forgot everyone in jail is innocent. Hahahahah!!!!
Its a conspiracy against kurt by the government doesnt everyone know that.Some people are so weak minded, good grief.Hey, i still have that koolaid..hahahahahahahahaha!!!!

son of a prophet said...

"Its a conspiracy against kurt by the government doesnt everyone know that.Some people ..."


its not really a conspiracy against kurt or scoot, it would be a conspiracy against anyone who would try to expose the system as being corrupt and fraudulent....fraud-YOU-lent???

you-lent; fraud

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel said…”NO, THAT'S NOT ALL THERE IS TO IT. YOUR FORGET THE PART ABOUT THE LENDER PUTTING NONE OF THEIR OWN MONEY UP TO FUND THE TRANSACTION. YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE LENDER FORGED (ALTERED) THE PROMISSORY NOTE FROM A PROMISE TO PAY TO A NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENT THAT CAN BE BANKED & SOLD FOR CASH WITH NO CONSIDERATION OR RISK ON THE LENDER'S PART TO GENERATE A LOAN. YOU FORGET TO TELL THAT THE LENDER OPENED UP AN ACCOUNT UNDER THE BORROWERS NAME WITHOUT DIVULGING THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S THE BORROWERS DEPOSIT, NOT THE LENDERS TO DO WHATEVER HE CHOOSES WITH IT. THAT'S WHERE THE FRAUD COMES INTO PLAY THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WANT TO TALK AROUND. YOU ALSO FORGOT TO TELL HOW FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING WORKS. YOU ALSO FORGOT TO TELL HOW THIS PROCESS STEALS FROM EVERYONE ELSE THROUGH INFLATION AND ENRICHES THE BANKS.”

I’m wondering…what has a better chance of success: a) Mogel gaining even a basic comprehension of Macroeconomic concepts; or, b) my cat learning to read Braille (it is a smart cat)?

mogel said...

Tcob247 said: The same living God who gives me a hope bigger than my suffering circumstance also says to you “Follow Me.”

Follow him or you?
Big difference"
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Whether it comes from the Lord himself, or from the voice of his servants, the command is one and the same. There is NO DIFFERENCE at all. If Kurt was annointed and I believe that he was & called to do this work of challenging the banks, then, there is no difference whatsoever.

If you choose to say he doesn't have this sanction of God's will to do his work, then, that's your choice to believe what you will.

If you end of being wrong in the end by events, then, how will that make you feel after all of the effort you've made to challenge Kurt's authority and discredit the process and to side on the side of evil?

Moses was called to lead the people out of Jerusalem. I'm sure there were people in his day saying that Moses wasn't called to do the will of the Lord too and that he was crazy too and having the same beligerant attitude as you or saying things like Moses didn't have that annointing or that authority from God to be the Deliverer BECAUSE OF MANY REASONS they came up with, or that their deliverance was taking just too long, so they reasoned Moses was a false prophet who exhibited bad fruits with not enough power to be God's annointed.

Jesus said, "my sheep hear my voice". How do they hear his voice? It's usually not from God himself directly, although it can be sometimes. His will or commands are usually found in the scriptures, or through the words of his prophets, or his servants he specifically calls, or through his angels, or through wise men He inspires, or through answer to personal prayers through the Holy Spirit or through our conscience being enlightened. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned but when certain truths are communicated, these things are easily recognized by those ready and prepared to hear them.

How can you even speak on God's will? I asked you once to pray about something, & you immediately called me a kook because I was so bold to suggest such a thing. You can't deny that because it's in the record of this blog, although I believe you will atempt to deny this anyway. Spiritual things to people like yourself are nonsense. Obviously you don't believe in prayer or direct communication with God, so your opinion is dangerous from your own fruits you exhibit when you make conclusions on spiritual things.

Kurt has said many times he has had a SPECIAL witness of victory. This was said many times long before now. He hasn't wavered on his position on that at all.

So what you are really saying is that he is a liar, pure and simple.

If he ISN'T a liar, then, what does that make you?

Will you be happy when he is set free? What AND HOW will you feel then?

mogel said...

Great 2be Me: When did you speak on macroeconomics? Was that before or after you slayed the dinosaur? Or was that after your cat learned braille that you spoke of macroeconomics?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

arksun - arisen

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Mogel - duz - knot - & - sir - e - mail

dgwondering said...

Byron, who annointed Kurt? Was it one of your Mormon general authorities in Salt Lake? If it wasn't then are you saying your faith missed the boat on the next prophet seer and revelator by not making Kurt one of the twelve? You can choose your faith or his but not both, eh? Which is it big mouth?

dgwondering said...

brother love Byron Gashler is a scam promoter. If he can't make money off you he won't answer your emails.

GR82BMOI said...

Mogel said…”That's real intelligent of you, to say, yes actually he is and give no reason WHATSOEVER to justify your answer.”

Okay, if you insist, I’ll justify my “answer”. When I wrote “yes, actually he is” I was referring to the fact that Ferret is MORE criminal than the other un-indicted brokers. Go back and read complainers comment, to which I was responding. I might help you keep up here.

Mogel said…So you are saying Saint LeCompte is a dog now and I'm a fire hydrant as someone is pissing on me? I assure you no one is pissing on me.”

No, my comment was in reference to Ferret, not you - “some days you’re the dog and some days you’re hydrant.” Figure it out yourself, Mogel

Mogel said…”You're also assuming there is a fall guy here. No one has been convicted yet, or do you need to be reminded of that FACT.”

Oh, there will be convictions – I’m certain of that. Only regrettable thing is that it looks like you won’t be one of them. Pity. But you never did find success as a Dorean Broker, did you? Probably never even made a “sale”. ROFLMAF!

tcob247 said...

Whoa....lets back up here a second moogie
Lets take it one at a time

"Whether it comes from the Lord himself, or from the voice of his servants, the command is one and the same."

So are you saying that God is speaking through Kurt?


"Moses was called to lead the people out of Jerusalem. I'm sure there were people in his day saying that Moses wasn't called to do the will of the Lord too"

Yes...that is true
Are you saying that Kurt is just like Moses and anyone who disagrees is going against God's will?


"How can you even speak on God's will? I asked you once to pray about something, & you immediately called me a kook because I was so bold to suggest such a thing. You can't deny that because it's in the record of this blog, although I believe you will atempt to deny this anyway."

OK I wont attempt to deny it, but I don't recall. Please post my response as you promised.

"Obviously you don't believe in prayer or direct communication with God, so your opinion is dangerous from your own fruits you exhibit when you make conclusions on spiritual things."

Now who is making conclusions?????
My relationship with God is a personal one so how is it that you know what that is?

"Jesus said, "my sheep hear my voice".

Yes....his and not Kurt's
Didn't Jim Jones claim the same thing?

"Kurt has said many times he has had a SPECIAL witness of victory. This was said many times long before now. He hasn't wavered on his position on that at all."

Just because you don't waver doesn't mean you are right

"So what you are really saying is that he is a liar, pure and simple."
No... I believe the he really believes that he is God's mouthpiece.
That doesn't make him right, but you go ahead and believe him.
YOU believed Joseph Smith didn't you?

"Will you be happy when he is set free? What AND HOW will you feel then?"

I'm not really sure to be honest.
I am sure he will be happy when he is set free 30 years from now. I'm sure he was happy after he was set free after the first time he was convicted of fraud.
I'm not sure how the people felt who lost money through his con though

Pauligirl said...

Mogel said…"
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE LENDER FORGED (ALTERED) THE PROMISSORY NOTE FROM A PROMISE TO PAY TO A NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENT THAT CAN BE BANKED & SOLD FOR CASH WITH NO CONSIDERATION OR RISK ON THE LENDER'S PART TO GENERATE A LOAN.

I'm afraid you're wrong on all counts.

A Promissory note is a negotiable instrument:
The promissory note is a "negotiable instrument" under N.C. Gen.Stat. Section 25-3-104(a). The promissory note, on its face, states: "an unconditional promise or order to pay a fixed amount of money with ... interest or other charges described in the promise or order
Franklin Credit Recovery Fund, XXI, L.P. v. Huber
487 S.E.2d 825
N.C.App.,1997.

Negotiable instrument, bill of exchange, check, promissory note, or other written contract for payment that may serve as a substitute for money. It is simple in form and easy to transfer. Transfer of a negotiable instrument, accomplished by delivery or endorsement and delivery, gives the new holder of the contract the right to enforce fulfillment in his own name. Negotiable instruments made payable to bearer are transferred by delivery; those made payable to order are transferred by endorsement and delivery. Like commercial paper, negotiable instruments were developed to meet the needs of trade. They are used by businessmen to facilitate long-distance transactions and to avoid the constant exchange of large amounts of cash.

For a writing to be a negotiable instrument under Article 3, the following requirements must be met
The promise or order to pay must be unconditional;
The payment must be in a specific sum of money, although interest may be added to the sum;
The payment must be made on demand or at a definite time;
The instrument must be payable to bearer or to order.
The latter requirement is referred to as the "words of negotiability": a writing which does not contain the words "to the order of" or indicate that it is payable to the person in possession, is not a negotiable instrument and is not governed by Article 3, even if it has all of the other features of negotiability. The only exception is that if an instrument meets the definition of a check (an order payable on demand and drawn on a bank) and is not payable to order (i.e. if it just reads "pay John Doe") then it is treated as a negotiable instrument.
Persons other than the original obligor and obligee can become parties to a negotiable instrument. The most common manner in which this is done is by placing one's signature on the instrument: if the person who signs does so with the intention of obtaining payment of the instrument or acquiring or transferring rights to the instrument, the signature is called an indorsement. An indorsement which transfers the instrument to a specified person is a special indorsement. An indorsement by the payee or holder which does not contain any additional notation (thus making the instrument payable to bearer) is a blank indorsement. An endorsement which requires that the funds be applied in a certain manner (i.e. "for deposit only", "for collection") is a restrictive indorsement.
http://www.answers.com/topic/negotiable-instrument

you will know them by their fruit said...

Kurt you will find few who know Him can even come close to taking you seriously. You are so far from the Truth that no argument is needed to refute you and your ramblings.

You have been found to be false. It wasn't even close. Even the faintest of Christian can tell your message and those that follow you are counter to that of the Lord.

You tickle their ears for their cause, for your cause. You are the ultimate fraud.

Be glad the Bereans are not on the jury. They would have known how dangerous your clamorings are.

Thank God you are so phony that it doesn’t take much to see right through you and your motivations.

You worry and ramble so much about banking and Alsup and you fail to see your own damnation. You are heaping coals on your own head.

You point your finger at every person who points out the obvious to you. You fail to see that YOU are YOUR greatest enemy. Currently you are going to Hell. YOU are condemning yourself. It is not I that says so but the scriptures. Stop trying to make them reflect your will and actually listen for His voice. YOU have perverted YOURSELF and the word cannot dwell within you. You are a spoiled brat who cannot humble yourself before the Lord and HIS will.

The devil has you right where he wants you, blinded by your own arrogance, festering in your own pride, drowning in your own ocean of your worthless, ignorant words.



Your posts are you pissing into the wind.

You are undone.

You are lost.

Shut up.

May God bless you.

mogel said...

"Will you be happy when he is set free? What AND HOW will you feel then?"

I'm not really sure to be honest.
_________________________________

You're not sure how you will feel when Kurt goes free, after all the derogatory things you have said about him??? LOL But you are sure that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, even though prayer offends you, and you are sure that Kurt is mislead, but you can't EVEN REMEMBER you calling me a kook after I suggested praying about an issue to find the Lord's will on an issue, yet you say that a person's faith is a personal issue, but you condemn another's faith as foolishness by demeaning even Joseph Smith. Makes sense to me. LOL Too bad you can't be consistent in what you really believe and can't see that your own shit smells. LOL

By the way, Jim Jones' following wasn't the Lord's people or his sheep. You made that false assumption too.

Just because people lose money doesn't make the deal a con job either. You're wrong on that conclusion too. Is is morally correct not to convict the banks of securities fraud, and convict an individual of it for doing the same thing? Maybe you're not intelligent enough to see the hypocrisy there.

It's a shame you are quick to judge when you don't have all of the facts, but prejudice becomes you, I'd say. It's fitting, just like your whining and judgmental attitude, they all seem to go together as a match and defines who you really are.

And DG Wondering, I'd answer your questions, but's it's obvious I would intentionally offend you by doing so, since there is no money to be made for me in answering your questions you posed to me. I wouldn't want to make you a liar after you basically called me a whore & a prostitute, so I ignore your question's out of sheer respect for you to save face and let you be right for a change.

And Great to Be Me: If you are correct, and I made no sales, then, why should I be convicted too & why does it then become a pity if I mislead no one & no one lost money because of me? Maybe it's a personal thing with you, hey? That doesn't make you a good judge if you can't separate your personal feelings from facts!

Maybe you think all annoying people should be put in jail?

habakkuk said...

Fruit,

I have no idea who you are but you sound like a miserable individual who knows nothing else but to curse another person with your words. You say kurt is bad but your latest post was about the most wicked thing i've ever read. I've always said stay far away from a person who so boldly slanders anothers name without knowing all the facts....You are at risk yourself and you dont know it. Woe to you fruit. You boldy say stuff like:

"Currently you are going to Hell."

"You are lost."

WHAT?!!

But wait, then you say...."May God bless you. "

OK, lets say your right and kurt's motives are corrupt....They guy is sitting in jail!!!....how much more can you curse the guy? According to you it can only get worse from here.....just ignore the guy.

He must be a pretty powerful individual that he can get all you guys riled even if he sits in a jail cell. He must be doin somethin right that he stirs up wicked posts on this site as he sits in jail. I mean, he's been in there for over a year now and your STILL posting garbage on this site....THAT TELLS ME MORE ABOUT YOU THEN IT DOES ABOUT KURT.

Its funny, i dont hear much said about scott....is he going to hell too??? I mean, they are co-conspirers aren't they???? No comments about him????

mogel said...

Pauligirl: Can you bank a check (promissory note) if you don't endorse it on the back? LOL

mogel said...

Fruit: If you are going to heaven, then, I choose to go to hell too. It's got to be a better place without you. LOL

neodemes said...

Wow.

So much to comment on, hard to know where to start.

You first, Kurt...

I hold no such belief about God and suffering, so stuff it.

As for you being a scammer...it could be you are a sincere idiot. Intentional or not, you seem to be in deep shit. Good luck with that.

Youwillknowthembytheir fruit...

You went over the edge on that one.
If Kurt has accepted Jesus as Savior, then he is saved, scammer or not, don't you think? If not, then we need to pray that he does accept Christ.

Same with Mogel. While the Mormons use the name Jesus Christ, they don't seem to acknowledge Him as God in the flesh, the One and only God, but rather one of many gods, which goes against the Word of God.

All we can do is pray that he and his fellow Mormons come out of the cult and accept the gift that the Jesus of the Bible offers and died to give us.

He is Risen!

~~The Swami~~~ said...

karen overton - your loving arms

~~The Swami~~~ said...

mdn - #2

~~The Swami~~~ said...

12-12-12;man - # 1

~~The Swami~~~ said...

You can never be too early. My computer is Y3K ready. David Copperfield will allow me to live long enough to be sure my Y3K preparedness has paid off. Live long and prosper.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

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son of a prophet said...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said....



everyone has now presented their side at least 24 times now...for and aganst...

why not just let it be and await the results....


why all the hate and bitterness???

PEACE BROS AND SIS.

tcob247 said...

But you are sure that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet

you condemn another's faith as foolishness by demeaning even Joseph Smith.

Those two statements tell me everything I need to know
You have made everything very clear now.

One Question Mogel....

Is Jesus Christ the one and only Son of the living God (ie: God himself)come to earth in the flesh of a man?

Or is he one of many Gods?

tcob247 said...

son of a prophet said...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said....



everyone has now presented their side at least 24 times now...for and aganst...

why not just let it be and await the results....


why all the hate and bitterness???

PEACE BROS AND SIS.


SOP......
I believe you have presented your side hundreds of times
Take your own advice

laughing lots said...

When kurt gets out of jail, and he will one day, WHAT will he go back to jail for? He WILL go back again because i am SURE that he has already figured out his next get rich quick scam.Thats what he did the first time he was in jail for NOTHING and he is says that he is in jail for NOTHING now, he sure goes to jail alot for nothing huh!
It seems that some of you on here are pretty intelligent but are so weak minded it's kinda sad.
It's sad that ANY of you actually listen to this crack pot who calls himself a prophet and god and all the other endless mental patient dribble is unbelieveable.
If anyone out their doesnt think that this sack of shit doesnt have his next scam all figured out then you are really in for a treat, thats what proffesional criminals do, oh wait i forgot, he didnt do anything this time either!!!
He will spend his life in courts and jail writing endless biblical dribble to avoid everything and have these FOLLOWERS who for some reason look up to this kind of behavior.
People who are spiritual dont walk around preaching to everyone and have usually had some bad experiences and want to change, their easygoing and believe in a higher power.
People who cram religon down peoples throat are people who want you to see what they see and it seems that most in jail find god somehow because they are usually scared of their sentences and want last second forgiveness.
Religon is for peolple who are afraid of hell.
Spritual religon is for people who have experienced hell.

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KYHOOYA said...
tcob247 said...
son of a prophet said...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said....



everyone has now presented their side at least 24 times now...for and aganst...

why not just let it be and await the results....


why all the hate and bitterness???

PEACE BROS AND SIS.


SOP......
I believe you have presented your side hundreds of times
Take your own advice

5:54 AM


There are many detractors on here.

I see that someone is bucking for that promotion, I mean really! Do you get a whip and a pack of bamboo strips with that?
I ask because it seems that if your are move up as a result of your DD here, it would only seem logical that those would be needed as your tools of the trade.

What the fuck is your problem anyway? Do you find it hard to keep that big mouth of your shut?

You have got to be the biggest ass hole I have ever had the miss fortune to cross paths with.

I mean what was the need for the smart ass comment to SOP about the post?

Did you find something that was evil and mean that was directed at you in it ?

Please do tell how that little statement that was saying that it would be nice if everyone could stop all the same old tired debates and move on.

I have to agree there comes a point when all has been said and you have to wait for the out come.
but then of course then there is you Tin cup who has to be the biggest prick around.

You would find something to post thatt was neg. about the Pope and I not sure you have'nt some where be how you spend your fucking worthless life on the Net posting as I said before and it show more and more with every word you type that you have no job and that you must be getting some conp. fro the Goverment if not and I wrong then you might want to give them a call and see what they say .
My bet is there is paycheck with you name on it, just waiting for you for doing such a great job on here of distrating from the truth.

The check would be read PAID TO THE ORDER OF: CORN HOLE-E-OOOH ASS-MUNCHES

THERE BY MAKING IT A negotiable instrument under Article 3, AS TOLD BY PAULIGIRL

Would you get a life and then fuck off you ass hole

How is it thyat Noe post the very same thing many times and you say nothing/

Oh thats right he's your hero isn't he?

You got to be the biggest waste of AIR ever!


OH just fuck off your soooo not worth the time to tell you even that




l8r
Please insert in mouth when needed DICK THIS WILL STOP THAT PROBLEM OF CRAP SPILLING OUT OF IT WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING NEG. SO PLEASE USE AS OUT BRAKES HAPPEN . BETTER YET JUST KEEP IT THERE BECAUSE IN YOUR CASE THERE IS NO DOWN TIME AND THERE BY NEEDING THE PREVENTION 24-7 tiN cup GO OUT BEGGING AND KEEP YOUR THOUGH TO YOUR SELF FOR A CHANGE THAT WA UN CALLED FOR AND JUST SHOW'S HOW YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAT SIT HERE AND POST ONE BUNCH OF BRIBBLE TO DISTRACT AFTER ANOTHER. THE TRUTH SHINES THROUGHT AND AS I SEE YOU BACK POST MORE THAN EVER YOU MUST NOT HAVE A JOB (A REAL JOB THAT IS ) BUT YOU STILL GOT THAT BEGGING ON THE FREEWAY OFF RAMP TO BACK YOU UP NOW DON'T YOU.


aSS WHAT A REAL assss hole- E OOOO

mogel said...

Nemo said: "All we can do is pray that he and his fellow Mormons come out of the cult and accept the gift that the Jesus of the Bible offers and died to give us.

He is Risen!"
_________________________________
What you fail to realize Nemo, is that I've already accepted that gift.

tcob247 said...

Kahooya

You really crack me up

Now I know you are gay, cause all you talk about are Dicks and Assholes

I'm not sure why you worry about me having a job cause I post so much cause you post way more than I do.

By the way, I don't have a job anymore, I'm living off my investments

So just chill and don't worry about me so much

Last I checked this was a free blog, and everybody posts just about anything they want on here.

So, go ahead and keep posting about your infatuation with dicks and cocks and assholes andremember....God loves you and has a plan for your life

mogel said...

Tycob said: "Is Jesus Christ the one and only Son of the living God (ie: God himself)come to earth in the flesh of a man?"
__________________________________
One question for you: How can you be Son & Father--- all at the same time, and just be one God or just one person? You can't answer that, yet you accept the Niacean creed doctrine, which is a man made doctrine, & not of God.

The Niacean creed was an event where mere mortal men tried to understand the scriptures by coming to conclusions through a debate. Men trying to figure out about God without his Spirit or without his direct personal revelation and power. What a joke, as if man can figure out the ways and personality and nature of God alone and all by themselves.

Is the Holy Ghost a God? Is Jesus a God, and a God in the flesh? Is Heavenly Father (the father of our Spirits, and the father of Jesus's spirit too) a God also. Can you only accept one and reject the other two?

I've answered your questions ALREADY on this subject in a hundred different ways before. If you don't get it yet, you never will.

Joseph Smith proclaimed by his own personal vision IN THE FLESH that Jesus and God are TWO SEPARATE PERSONS.

Either he told the truth, or he didn't. Either he actually had that vision, or he didn't. If he did have this vision, then, the question has been answered perfectly AND WITH FACTS and this issue is settled forever.

WillToFight said...

That's why I no longer bother with these idiots.

Discussion is mute. They only see what they can see! No growth! No change. It all should be accepted no matter that it is a fraud!

WillToFight said...

Neodosomthingsaid...

Wow.

So much to comment on, hard to know where to start.
_______________________

Your not getting anywhere! You must be a paid surveyer of this site. Who's paying you?

Sucker!

tcob247 said...

Joseph Smith proclaimed by his own personal vision IN THE FLESH that Jesus and God are TWO SEPARATE PERSONS.

Joseph Smith was and is wrong
End of story

I see now where you are coming from

laughing lots said...

Is this
www.teachmeaboutreligon.com,
and hear endless blah,blah about things that have nothing to do with anything relavent to criminal activity.
good grief!

mogel said...

FAIRFIELD, Conn. - A lawyer climbed through a neighbor's bedroom window and stabbed him to death after being told by a family member that the man had molested his 2-year-old daughter, authorities say.

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Barry James, 58, was stabbed in the chest nearly a dozen times Monday. The lawyer, Jonathon Edington, 29, was charged with murder and burglary and was released on $1 million bail Wednesday.

Capt. Gary MacNamara said that police had not received a complaint about the child being assaulted before the killing, and "we have no indication it's true or not true."

Edington's attorney, Michael Sherman, said the information came from Edington's wife. "The daughter gave the mother information which was alarming and disturbing. The mom relayed it to her husband. That was the spark," Sherman said.

James' 87-year-old mother discovered his body. When officers went to Edington's home, they found him standing by his kitchen sink with what appeared to be blood on him, and a large kitchen knife next to him on a counter, authorities said

"He's in shock," Edington's attorney said. "This is the most unexpected turn of events one can imagine with this young man's background."

Police had gone to the neighborhood before, when Edington called to complain that he could see James through a window, police said. "Either he was partly clothed or revealed parts of his anatomy that were inappropriate," MacNamara said.

Edington, a graduate of Syracuse University and Fordham University Law School, has been practicing patent law, Sherman said. Police said Edington has no criminal record.

Rita James declined to comment on her son's death.

James served two days behind bars in 2001 on a drunken driving charge, according to the state Correction Department.

"He had some bizarre behavior over the last month," said Darrell Maynard, a neighbor. "He drove his car through his garage, hit the other neighbor's building."

Another time a neighbor found James intoxicated on the street, Maynard said. James shouted obscenities at children, he said.

As for Edington, Maynard said: "Something had to happen that was terrible for this to have occurred." Edington "seemed like a computer geek or something. He was not anybody you would ever feel you were threatened by."
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Is his act of perceived vengence a reason for this lawyer being disbarred?

mogel said...

I guess you can murder someone & get out on bond, but if you challenge a banking institution with mere paperwork, you have no bond whatsoever & you just stay in jail. I guess our society and courts think that murderers and lawyers are more deserving and are less of a threat to society.

princess said...

Mogel,
please tell me that I read you last post incorrectly. Kurt and Scott made the decision to stay where they are by acting like a bunch of assholes. How would you expect a bond to be set if they would not even acknowlege the court system. They had a choice in the very beginning and this is the road they chose. Please dont try to make everyone feel sorry for them...If there was justice your ass would have been indicted also. But, who knows there may be more to come.....:)

Pauligirl said...

mogel said...
Pauligirl: Can you bank a check (promissory note) if you don't endorse it on the back? LOL

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Do you think a check and a note are the same thing?

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mogel said...

Princess said: "please tell me that I read you last post incorrectly. Kurt and Scott made the decision to stay where they are by acting like a bunch of assholes."

SO IF YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE, YOU SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE IN JAIL?
ASSHOLES ARE ALL AROUND YOU. MAYBE YOU'RE ONE YOURSELF, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. IT'S NOT A CRIME TO BE AN ASSHOLE. HOWEVER, THAT'S YOUR WORDING, NOT MINE. I THINK THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A CAUSE WHICH IS ADMIRABLE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SOMEONE AN ASSHOLE FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS AND PROTECTING THEIR CONTRACTUAL INTERESTS. IF YOU THINK THEY WANT TO LINGER IN JAIL FOR THE SAKE OF SUFFERING ONLY OR SOME OTHER SILLY REASON, I THINK YOU'RE MISTAKEN.



How would you expect a bond to be set if they would not even acknowlege the court system.

THEY POSTED BONDS ON THEIR PRESENTMENTS TO THE BANKS. OBVIOUSLY THEY BELIEVE IN BONDS AND THEIR PURPOSE. IF YOU ARGUE JURISDICTION, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO RIGHTS THAT THE COURTS GIVE TO OTHERS? ARE YOU ASSUMING THEY SHOULD BE JAILED WITHOUT ANY BONDING PRIVILEGE? HOW JUST IS THAT? THEY GIVE MURDERERS THE RIGHT TO BOND OUT. ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE A BIGGER THREAT TO SOCIETY THAN THAT? DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE UNFAIRNESS THERE, OR IS THAT A LITTLE OVER YOUR HEAD?


They had a choice in the very beginning and this is the road they chose.

YES, HONOR IS THE ROAD THEY CHOSE. OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T RESPECT THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE PROBABLY DISHONORABLE.

Please dont try to make everyone feel sorry for them...

I'M JUST SPEAKING OF FAIRNESS & JUSTICE. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MAKING PEOPLE FEEL SORRY FOR THEM? I WASN'T TRYING TO INCITE THOSE FEELINGS.

If there was justice your ass would have been indicted also. But, who knows there may be more to come.....:)

IF YOU WERE A JUST PERSON, YOU WOULD FIRST TRY TO GET TO KNOW ME FIRST BEFORE YOU PASSED JUDGMENT.
WHO KNOWS, MAYBE EVEN PRINCESS'S EAT THEIR ROYAL WORDS TOO.

laughing lots said...

Mogel said:
I THINK THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A CAUSE WHICH IS ADMIRABLE.

I think you have misunderstood princess mogel. An example of that is; when the dim duo went to court and Kurt was asked his name, he would say ignoramus things like “that’s not me, I’m the son of bla bla”, and if his name was spelled in capitol letters he would say, “ that’s not my name”. I think that is an EXAMPLE of acknowledging the judicial system. If they don’t want to acknowledge who they are fuck em. It seems as though it’s not only over YOUR head, but your completely brainwashed by those two, I forgot you want to get rich quick too.
There are people who have been lobbying for what and who they believe is wrong in government for almost one hundred years, they aren’t in prison!
Its no secret that the government is a bunch of crooks, but do I want to die in prison to try and prove something that is already known? No thanks. How about you genius, want to do THAT?? That’s what I thought!
Why not start up again like you were before, except this time BE SUCCESSFUL and your brothers in crime and see where it will get you, if you’re so admirable. I would love to see what you would do. I know what you would do, you would be bubbas boyfriend!
It seems as though when someone says something you don’t like or agree with you get VERY angry, why is that?
And what cause is the criminal duo fighting? Lets see, you think that getting a refi on a clouded title is ok? You think that some people loosing their house is ok? If you do, then YOU are the asshole. This isn’t rocket science, play with fire you get burned, and rightfully so.
So I agree with princess, and I don’t feel sorry for them, and by their own hand will sit in jail for years to come and they already have their next scam figured out for you to follow with honor mogel, hey maybe you all will be out of jail in about 30 yrs.. That’s not too bad for fighting a LOST cause huh?
There is no honor in what they or YOU do dimwit, there are no get rich schemes knucklehead, you have to work hard for it, pay your taxes and live a productive and FREE man.

verboy said...

laughing lots

I don't publish too often, but when I do it is because someone has made a complete fool of themself and I'm afraid you have inspired me. You have absolutely no idea what is going on here and probably never will. You have no clue about what Kurt and Scott are doing in court so please save the negative comments until you acquire at least a little knowledge of commercial processes.
By the way, no one is dying in prison so relax and take a breath.If you need me to explain what is going on so you won't have to write a bunch of nonsense to make youself feel important email me at verboy1967@yahoo.com. My name is Dave D'Antona and I am a Dorean client. I have no problem discussing anything with anyone. If you email me I will give you my #.
The process that Dorean used is legal and honest. The trustees cannot account for the bad behavior of the banks and judges . If you want to cry, get in touch with me. Maybe we can actually use this blog for something constructive if we get rid of the naysayers and the crybabies.