Thursday, October 05, 2006

My Accusers Wasted Breath

Who are these yahoos who keep blurting out worthless arguments about educating people or my God relationship being a recent added crutch. They obviously never were on a conference call or a meeting. Even James Keller defended my sincerity of faith to Judge Alsup when thinking of bringing in the shrink. In 2 months this half-blind automaton could figure this out. These guys are brainless talking heads. None of the filming for the DVD was done after my arrest. We always encouraged education and hared whatever we learned. I’m still here giving lessons. I’m a self-interested crook! I’ll answer this on this blog in real time. R. Jenkins please send your information for bank and wire fraud and tell your attorney I will mail you an affidavit of felony confession. I will take responsibility and face down any contrary voice to fraud. If you send court info I will file it directly. None of these self-centered loud mouths on this site would spend a nickel to help a neighbor or even spend a kind word to help out a stranger. You think you know me. You don’t see yourselves honestly. Neither can you judge someone who lives outside the closed box of your mind. Your rhetoric is foolish not our battle for truth. None of you can retort my efforts in the UCC, this criminal trial, or the bible. It’s been over a year and still you expose yourselves as toxic windbags. I have my life on the line and all the integrity you believe does not exist. Yet you’ve invested nothing in over a year but continued ignorance. None of you offer anything to model. Even a fool is considered wise if his mouth remains shut.

81 comments:

WillToFight said...

Well Said Kurt...

I just don't waiste my valuable time any longer with these......sheeple, I mean people!

Neodoidiot, Justawindbag, Tacosellout, etc. etc. etc. etc

~~The Swami~~~ said...

One of these days we're going to get tired of this crap and do something about it! Case in point-

1. Dare to ask the banks to prove they made a viable loan while running a legitimate business in California - - you get thrown in jail for over a year without a trial.

2. Have dirty pictures of children in California (Kiddie Porn) - well it's just too difficult to go through the trouble of a trial..........Let's let the kid lover pervert go home. (From Associated Press
SANTA ROSA, Calif. - The former suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey killing left jail Thursday after a judge dismissed child pornography charges against him, saying prosecutors didn’t have enough evidence to take the case to trial.

John Mark Karr was ordered released immediately by Sonoma County Superior Court Judge Rene Chouteau, ending his two-month odyssey in the U.S. criminal justice system after he was extradited from Thailand on suspicion of killing the 6-year-old beauty queen.)



That's some kind of judicial system you got there in California. Way to protect our kids!!!!

habakkuk said...

Scott,

Let me qualify what i mean by USURY and FRAUD. I tend to use the Deut 25-13-15 as a base for what i mean:

13"You must use accurate scales when you weigh out merchandise, 14and you must use full and honest measures."

I believe the banking system has seriously violated this.

I hear what you mean when you site the scripture where G-d does not allow His people to commit usury with each other but with the stranger he does. I guess the definition of usury is what we need to clarify. I'm referring more to the use of FRAUD with usury.

Other references i use are:
James chapter 5
Hab 2

habakkuk said...

"Also, I'm still curious if you're contending that you received no benefit from the money that the bank borrowed from the OTHER bank and subsequently loaned to you."

My question to your question is WHO is the OTHER bank?

habakkuk said...

Definition of USURY=

1. The practice of lending money and charging the borrower interest, especially at an exorbitant or illegally high rate.
2. An excessive or illegally high rate of interest charged on borrowed money.

I guess you could debate what is an "exorbitant or illegally high rate". But i'm sure you've looked at a the TIL statement that shows what you really pay over 30 year..right?? Would you say that is exorbitant?

But what i really want to point out is the FRAUD...What they dont tell you what they do with the PROMISSORY NOTE.

Scott from Vineland said...

h-
You're dodging the question and I think you know it. But I'll play along. Some major warehouse banks might be Deutsche Bank, US Bank, Guaranty Bank, Wachovia, et al. Your turn now.... Were you able to buy a house with the money or weren't you?

Scott from Vineland said...

And what DO they do with the promissory note?

habakkuk said...

Scott,
with all do respect, this has been discussed by me as well as many others on this blog for the last 10 months or so...and here you come 10 months later wanting to discuss this all over again.

So what is your question again? That because i was able to buy a house with the "money" the bank gave me i am obligated to pay it back?? Where have i heard that before.....Dude, i am way to tired to go over this again...maybe someone else has tackle this one.

When i bought a house i really bought a mortgage.

They take my promissory note and make it their asset and monetize it.

tcob247 said...

habakkuk said...
Scott,
with all do respect, this has been discussed by me as well as many others on this blog for the last 10 months or so...and here you come 10 months later wanting to discuss this all over again.

So what is your question again? That because i was able to buy a house with the "money" the bank gave me i am obligated to pay it back?? Where have i heard that before.....Dude, i am way to tired to go over this again...maybe someone else has tackle this one.

When i bought a house i really bought a mortgage.

They take my promissory note and make it their asset and monetize it.


WOW
CLAP CLAP
Good answer

He asked a simple question and you tell him to sift through mounds of garbage to find your thoughts on this?

Come on

Give him your answer.
It was after all, a VERY simple question.

(You may have bought a mortgage, but you are LIVING in the house)

SO do you think that everyone can walk in and borrow money, move into the house and not make a payment because the banks are crooks.

You see what kind of people you are dealing with here Scott?

Scott from Vineland said...

Sorry hab, I still just don't get your logic. You have possession of a house and the bank has possession a piece of paper that has all the tangible value of..... well, a piece of paper! You say they make it their asset and monetize it (is monetize even a word?) but what value does the promissory note itself have as an asset besides the maker's agreement to pay it back? That is an intangible value, not a tangible one. That's why they make you pledge the house as security so that the lender has some recourse when you decide to stiff them. They foreclose to recoup their investment.

Honestly, I give up, man. When you make statements like this,
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habakkuk said...
That because i was able to buy a house with the "money" the bank gave me i am obligated to pay it back?? Where have i heard that before.....
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Huh? Dude, my head is spinning here. The word money in quotations? I'm puching out of this conversatiion and maybe this forum in general as I just find statements like that one a little too surreal.

Scott from Vineland said...

tcob -
It's been real. Keep the faith and have some consolation in the fact that this ideology represents the small minority that it does. I suppose I'll still watch this blog and weigh in if anything logical or intelligent is posted.

tcob247 said...

good luck with that

habakkuk said...

Tcob,
You have been the snake in the garden since the creation of this blog so i'm not even gonna respond to you since you know exactly what i'm talking about. You've been in conversations over this since day one....and you know it.

Scott,
I'll try to respond better to you once i get time away from my vocation that pays my fraudulent mortgage.

Back Later

habakkuk said...

Scott,

Heres an article that breaks it down with a diagram:
http://www.mortgagefree4u.com/bankfraud.htm

Then call the Truth-Haters Hotline when your ready to detox all the lies you've been fed....1-800-I CANT BELIEVE I DIDNT READ UP ON THIS BEFORE I OPENED MY MOUTH AND SPEWED LIES I'VE BEEN FED ALL MY LIFE. (Woops, thats more than 7 digits isnt it)

By the way, i dont know who owns that site but i like the way he explains it. Maybe you better go there and do some reading yourself TACO...you've been avoiding your homework for 10+ months now. Your about to get held back another grade if your not careful.

Oh, i almost forgot....

MON-E-TIZE=

1. To establish as legal tender
2. to coin (money)
3. to convert (govt debt) from securities into currency that can be used to purchase goods and services.

(what do you know, i guess it is a word)

habakkuk said...

"Keep the faith and have some consolation in the fact that this ideology represents the small minority that it does"

LOL!! Faith in what?

"small minority"?? Tell me how you know that??

tcob247 said...

Kurt said...........

" Even a fool is considered wise if his mouth remains shut"

Question:

Why don't you follow your own advice?

ticktoc123 said...

What does Kurt expect. After 2 years we still don't know what's going on. All the god blogs don't have any relevance to having our mortgages paid off.
What happensif this case is lost?
What happens if it's won?
When will our mortgages be paid off - under what circumstances?
Is the program still alive or is it dead.
You can't expect people to have faith in someone who hides information.
We don't need stragety we just want to know what's going on.

god said...

hey tictoc..use your head for something besides a hatrack...he cant disclose everything he's doin
since he's playin the attorney and the acused. Do you think he's gonna give us all a play by play from the computer as he sits in jail??

Scott from Vineland said...

h-
OK, monetize is a word. My bad. I guess I should have gotten out my dictionary. But oddly enough, when I did, your third definition (the part about converting govt debt from securities to currency) was conveniently omitted. Guess this must be an official Federal Reserve dictionary.

Scott from Vineland said...

habakkuk said...
"small minority"?? Tell me how you know that??

Sorry, I just can't help being an optimist.

Scott from Vineland said...

Punching out for real this time. The more I read things like this little exchange between ticktoc and god, the more depressing and discouraging this forum becomes. Hang in there, ticktoc. God knows how this will all turn out, even if god doesn't have a clue.

whatdoyoumean said...

Scott,

Don't forget your tin foil hat on the way out.

You are clueless. By the way how many people did you talk into one of those adjustable loans that your buddies are now calling "suicide loans". Don't you have some telemarketing to do? There's probably some little old ladies you can convince to refi over the phone and you can pad your fees to make for a nice month. How many times have you knowingly lied on a loan ap? Ever have someone say they owned a business when they didn't so you could have them go "stated"? Ever get the underwriter to slide one through for ya?

I'm sure you're one of the "good guys" in the loan business. You've never committed fraud, never stretched the truth right? You're clueless. The Fed Res. act of 1913 isn't a theory cake boy, it happened. Check the dates, check the stats, and try to think for yourself. It is well documented and was highly protested. It passed by a conspiracy. Look up the definition of that word and then try to tell me it wasn't.

Judge Roy Bean said...

ticktock123 asked: "What happensif this case is lost?
What happens if it's won?"

Nothing, either way. It's a criminal case and has nothing to do with your mortgage because the civil courts have already ruled that the process is a scam. Don't confuse the two.

ticktock123 asked: "When will our mortgages be paid off - under what circumstances?"

They won't be. They can't be. The civil cases are old news, res judicata. The program has been legally ruled as a scam by the Federal court and the ruling hasn't been appealled so it stands.

ticktock123 asked: "Is the program still alive or is it dead.
You can't expect people to have faith in someone who hides information.
We don't need stragety we just want to know what's going on."

Nothing is going on in the program. It has been shut down. As soon as a lender decides to move against a borrower supposedly in the program the borrower is toast because the lenders already know about the Kenney ruling and only have to cite it if they sue.

wantobefree said...

WHERES MY DAM MONEY AT MOGEL.DONT MAKE ME COME GET IT.

GLORYLANE said...

Hi Kurt & Scott,
This is my first post and am not a blogger anywhere else, so I hope I get this right.

I understand this is a spiritual fight, however, couldn't you guys continue this battle better from the "outside"?

Here is some information which I have been trying to get to you;
I am sorry, I am having trouble getting this to you so I will paraphrase... Challenge the DOJ-Prosecutor's Jurisdiction to prosecute for something which happened in one of the several states (California), not challenge the court's Jurisdiction, but the prosecutor's ability to bring ANYTHING

GLORYLANE said...

against you. See 40 USCS 255.
When asked how do you plead? He advised the court, "I am not going to plead. At this time, I hereby chanllenge the JURISDICTION of the federal government to charge me with this crime inside the state of (Ohio). I hereby site the STATUTORY requirements within 40 USCS 255-with specific reference to interpretive note #14-and hereby request that the court order the DOJ to produce the documentation specified PER THE STATUTE to establish their criminal jurisdiction...

I hope this may be of some help or perhaps direct you to some assistance.
May GOD Bless you and Keep you well.
GLORYLANE

GLORYLANE said...

I understand that the USCS is copyrighted private law, however, perhaps you could find the corresponding STATUTE AT LARGE- the original intent of congress... not the attorney's bastardized mis-interpetation of how they can best twist congress' intent to suit their theiving(sp?) ways.

I hope this may help.
GLORYLANE

GLORYLANE said...

The man's name is Walt Maken and this was a "Tax case" and he has never been brought back in for completion of his trial because the DOJ CANNOT produce the documents REQUIRED but just pay off judges ... such as Judge Roy Bean...whom let him in here anyway?

GLORYLANE

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son of a prophet said...

dont know whether its good or bad, but i can see that one way or t'other, the system is coming apart folks!

it just a matter of time.

now is that good?

i really dont know.

it could create anarchy, but i guess that anarchy is not any worse than what we have now, ie., anarchy under the guise of orderliness.

"...behold, the mystery of lawlessness doth already at work..."


Websters dictionary defintion:

law' less' ness - (adj.)eng., without law; anarchy; disorder, SEE ALSO, "IRAQ" (will eventually encompass whole earth)


as worldwide lawlessness approaches, we will begin to see whom the HS protects.

under ANY/ALL conditons, the HS can protect HIS own.

masters of iniquity, ie., BANKERS, BEWARE!!

son of a prophet said...

Fire that Prosecutor!





Every one knows you can fire your counsel when you are in court. Did you also know you have the
right to fire the prosecutor? It’s apparently true! What was noticed in court is that the prosecutor ALWAYS
at one point speaks on behalf of the accused. As soon as that happens, you have the power to fire him and if
they say one more word, you can demand they provide their bond number, name of issuing agency and name
of whoever is holding that bond in trust. If you take this step, you will create a situation where there is only
you and the judge and if both of you are equal before the law, then all he has are offers. You can then tell him
“I thank you for your offer, but I am compelled by my faith to not accept.” HE will try very hard to get you to
agree with him. Don’t do it! Just keep thanking him for his offers and let him kno0w you simply cannot
accept his offers.

son of a prophet said...

Abandoned Bonds!




All government agents are bonded. It means they went and got some insurance and if they act
unlawfully, you have some money backing them you can sue against. This is what you do when you sue
someone on their bond. However what happens if they are not on their bond? Can you sue them on it, or is it
considered abandoned?
According to the Bonding Act (BC) the bonded person’s minister holds that bond in trust until
someone who has the right to demand it does. They are then obliged to surrender that bond to the one
demanding. If they fail to give it up, they can face a charge and possibly be sentenced to 14 years in prison.
(Section 337 of the Criminal Code of Canada)
The purpose of the bonds is to ensure they act lawfully. If they act unlawfully, they cannot claim to be
on their bonds and have in fact abandoned it. If you catch them in that situation you can lay claim to the bond
as abandoned and seize it. Once you have that puppy in your hand, you can take it to the issuing agency and
redeem it for the full value on its face.

son of a prophet said...

Abandoned Bonds!




All government agents are bonded. It means they went and got some insurance and if they act
unlawfully, you have some money backing them you can sue against. This is what you do when you sue
someone on their bond. However what happens if they are not on their bond? Can you sue them on it, or is it
considered abandoned?
According to the Bonding Act (BC) the bonded person’s minister holds that bond in trust until
someone who has the right to demand it does. They are then obliged to surrender that bond to the one
demanding. If they fail to give it up, they can face a charge and possibly be sentenced to 14 years in prison.
(Section 337 of the Criminal Code of Canada)
The purpose of the bonds is to ensure they act lawfully. If they act unlawfully, they cannot claim to be
on their bonds and have in fact abandoned it. If you catch them in that situation you can lay claim to the bond
as abandoned and seize it. Once you have that puppy in your hand, you can take it to the issuing agency and
redeem it for the full value on its face.

son of a prophet said...

Summation




1. A human being and a person are not the same thing. Legally they are very different.
2. We are not obliged to register our children. If we do, we are signing our child’s person over to the
government. (How do you like them apples? Do you like the idea of pledging your child to the same
government that lies to you so adroitly?)
3. We have a Common Law right to travel on the highways without a license. We have to ensure we are
in an unregistered automobile, though. Just like your offspring, you sign over ownership to the
government when you register.
4. We are not obliged to get a business license. We have the right to engage in commerce without first
seeking permission from the government.
5. THE PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA is not a geographical area called BRITISH
COLUMBIA; it is a legal entity or person called THE PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA.
6. A human being and a person are not the same thing. A person is like the legal raincoat we wear upon
which the government acts.
7. We can take that coat off anytime we want.
8. Statutes only have the force of law over those who have consented to be governed. Deny that consent,
and not one single statute ill have the force of law over you. (Do you think the government wants you
to know THAT?)
9. They are not your representatives because they are your government; they are your government
because you allowed them to be your representative.
10. A ‘benefit’ is a ‘benefit’ not because you merely receive it, but because you also then refer to it as one.
Nothing is a ‘benefit’ unless you agree it is. You must feel you got the profit or advantage.
11. The government uses our ignorance against us when they serve Notices. They are really more like
invitations, which if ignored or rejected will land you in court. Any Notice can be effectively dealt
with through a Conditional Acceptance.
12. No court has jurisdiction over you in the absence of a conflict. By accepting conditionally all that
comes our way, we can avoid conflict and thus court. At least we should, if our government embraced
the rule of law.
13. A Violation Ticket is a ‘bill of exchange’ and can also be ‘Accepted Conditionally’.
14. People who point to a body of words and claim the words give them authority lose all authority the
moment they admit they do not know the sense of any word. They are legally speaking nonsense.
15. Anything you can lawfully accomplish with a Birth Certificate, you can also accomplish with the
Record of Live Birth. It is the King of Documents and you can make one yourself. You can use it to
travel and cross borders.
16. You have the right to claim to be a Child of God and thus exist in the number two position in the
hierarchy defined in the first sentence in the Constitution. If you do, you legally exist above the
government and above any court.

son of a prophet said...

WOW!!!!


NO. 8 (above)


thats it!!! I'M OUT!!!!!


NO STATUES ANY LONGER APPLY TO ME!!!!


HEHEHEHEHEHEEEE....HAHAHAHAHAH....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OK. "STATUTES"....


NOW IM GONNA STATUE ME SOME STEAKS...ER...STATUTE ME...I MEAN SAUTE'......

complainers suck said...

GLORYLANE said...
The man's name is Walt Maken and this was a "Tax case" and he has never been brought back in for completion of his trial because the DOJ CANNOT produce the documents REQUIRED but just pay off judges ... such as Judge Roy Bean...whom let him in here anyway?

GLORYLANE

Your homework assignment is incomplete, Glorylane.

Walt Maken is in jail as we speak for those very tax charges you claim he has beaten.

They'd be better off looking in "political jurisdiction" challenges.

wantobefree said...

SON OF PROPHET; IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE SOVERIGN SHIT ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT I WAS SOVERN BACK IN 03 WENT TO THE STUPID AS SO CALLED COURTS AND EVER SINCE IVE DONE THIS I QUIT PAYING TAXES I LET MY DRIVERS LIC EXPIRE I DIDNT EVEN SIGN MY DAUGHTERS BIRTH CERT LET ME TELL YOU ITS ALL BULLSHIT YEA MOST DIFF BELIEVE IN IT,BUT WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD WAKE UP YOU LIVE IN USA.NOW SINCE THIS TIME MY LIC HAS BEEN REVOKED IRS HAS PUT A LEVY AGAINST MY ACCOUNTS PUT LEIN ON MY HOUSE GETTING READY TO FORECLOSE IF IM CAUGHT DRTIVING ILL PROB DO SOME JAIL TIME NOW BEFORE THIS IVE NEVER HAD A SPEEDING TICKET AND HAD A PERFECT CREDIT RATING NOT NO MORE THANKS TO THAT STUPID ASS SHIT I DONT KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I HAD THEM DUM FUCKERS OVER IN VEGAS TALK ME INTO THIS.LET ME TELL YOU WHO EVER THINKS THEY ARE SOVERN BE PREPARED TO HAVE A BATTLE ON YOUR HANDS I FOUGHT IT FOR ALMOST 4 YRS AND IT DID NOTHING BUT ALMOST RUIN OUR FAMILYS LIVES THANK GOD I SAVED MONEY TO GET OUT OF THIS CRAP.NOW IM WANT THEY CALL BACK IN THE SYSTEM WELL THATS FINE AND DANDY WITH ME OF COURSE I MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO DRIVE LEGALLY AGAIN IM FAR FROM OVER THE MESS I PUT MYSELF IN.AND O YEA IF YOU THINK YOUR GOING TO GET YOUR 650000 OUT OF YOUR BIRTH CERT LOL WHAT THE FUCK EVER.AND I NEVER USE TO CURSE EITHER BUT AFTER ALL THIS BOGUS CRAP I CANT HELP MYSELF.AND I SURELY HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM FRUIT CAKES THAT TRY TO TALK PEOPLE INTO THAT SOVERN BULLSHIT BECAUSE IF YOU ARE YOU NEED TO START WATCHING YOUR BACK CAUSE ONE OF THESE DAYS SOME ONES GOING TO GO INTO THEM STUPID ASS SOVERN COURTS WITH AN AK-47 AN UNLEASH.BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT IM

wantobefree said...

SON OF PROPHET; IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE SOVERIGN SHIT ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT I WAS SOVERN BACK IN 03 WENT TO THE STUPID AS SO CALLED COURTS AND EVER SINCE IVE DONE THIS I QUIT PAYING TAXES I LET MY DRIVERS LIC EXPIRE I DIDNT EVEN SIGN MY DAUGHTERS BIRTH CERT LET ME TELL YOU ITS ALL BULLSHIT YEA MOST DIFF BELIEVE IN IT,BUT WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD WAKE UP YOU LIVE IN USA.NOW SINCE THIS TIME MY LIC HAS BEEN REVOKED IRS HAS PUT A LEVY AGAINST MY ACCOUNTS PUT LEIN ON MY HOUSE GETTING READY TO FORECLOSE IF IM CAUGHT DRTIVING ILL PROB DO SOME JAIL TIME NOW BEFORE THIS IVE NEVER HAD A SPEEDING TICKET AND HAD A PERFECT CREDIT RATING NOT NO MORE THANKS TO THAT STUPID ASS SHIT I DONT KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I HAD THEM DUM FUCKERS OVER IN VEGAS TALK ME INTO THIS.LET ME TELL YOU WHO EVER THINKS THEY ARE SOVERN BE PREPARED TO HAVE A BATTLE ON YOUR HANDS I FOUGHT IT FOR ALMOST 4 YRS AND IT DID NOTHING BUT ALMOST RUIN OUR FAMILYS LIVES THANK GOD I SAVED MONEY TO GET OUT OF THIS CRAP.NOW IM WANT THEY CALL BACK IN THE SYSTEM WELL THATS FINE AND DANDY WITH ME OF COURSE I MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO DRIVE LEGALLY AGAIN IM FAR FROM OVER THE MESS I PUT MYSELF IN.AND O YEA IF YOU THINK YOUR GOING TO GET YOUR 650000 OUT OF YOUR BIRTH CERT LOL WHAT THE FUCK EVER.AND I NEVER USE TO CURSE EITHER BUT AFTER ALL THIS BOGUS CRAP I CANT HELP MYSELF.AND I SURELY HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM FRUIT CAKES THAT TRY TO TALK PEOPLE INTO THAT SOVERN BULLSHIT BECAUSE IF YOU ARE YOU NEED TO START WATCHING YOUR BACK CAUSE ONE OF THESE DAYS SOME ONES GOING TO GO INTO THEM STUPID ASS SOVERN COURTS WITH AN AK-47 AN UNLEASH.BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT IM

wantobefree said...

SON OF PROPHET; IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE SOVERIGN SHIT ITS ALL A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT I WAS SOVERN BACK IN 03 WENT TO THE STUPID AS SO CALLED COURTS AND EVER SINCE IVE DONE THIS I QUIT PAYING TAXES I LET MY DRIVERS LIC EXPIRE I DIDNT EVEN SIGN MY DAUGHTERS BIRTH CERT LET ME TELL YOU ITS ALL BULLSHIT YEA MOST DIFF BELIEVE IN IT,BUT WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD WAKE UP YOU LIVE IN USA.NOW SINCE THIS TIME MY LIC HAS BEEN REVOKED IRS HAS PUT A LEVY AGAINST MY ACCOUNTS PUT LEIN ON MY HOUSE GETTING READY TO FORECLOSE IF IM CAUGHT DRTIVING ILL PROB DO SOME JAIL TIME NOW BEFORE THIS IVE NEVER HAD A SPEEDING TICKET AND HAD A PERFECT CREDIT RATING NOT NO MORE THANKS TO THAT STUPID ASS SHIT I DONT KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I HAD THEM DUM FUCKERS OVER IN VEGAS TALK ME INTO THIS.LET ME TELL YOU WHO EVER THINKS THEY ARE SOVERN BE PREPARED TO HAVE A BATTLE ON YOUR HANDS I FOUGHT IT FOR ALMOST 4 YRS AND IT DID NOTHING BUT ALMOST RUIN OUR FAMILYS LIVES THANK GOD I SAVED MONEY TO GET OUT OF THIS CRAP.NOW IM WANT THEY CALL BACK IN THE SYSTEM WELL THATS FINE AND DANDY WITH ME OF COURSE I MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO DRIVE LEGALLY AGAIN IM FAR FROM OVER THE MESS I PUT MYSELF IN.AND O YEA IF YOU THINK YOUR GOING TO GET YOUR 650000 OUT OF YOUR BIRTH CERT LOL WHAT THE FUCK EVER.AND I NEVER USE TO CURSE EITHER BUT AFTER ALL THIS BOGUS CRAP I CANT HELP MYSELF.AND I SURELY HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM FRUIT CAKES THAT TRY TO TALK PEOPLE INTO THAT SOVERN BULLSHIT BECAUSE IF YOU ARE YOU NEED TO START WATCHING YOUR BACK CAUSE ONE OF THESE DAYS SOME ONES GOING TO GO INTO THEM STUPID ASS SOVERN COURTS WITH AN AK-47 AN UNLEASH.BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT IM

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mogel said...

Judge Beanhead said: "The civil courts have already ruled that the process is a scam."
________________________________
The Civil Courts HAVEN'T ruled against the Dorean presentment in their conclusive legal conclusion opinions anymore than the Judge ruled that Mr. Schiff violated SOME LAW & that's why he went to prison. As a matter of fact the Judge in Schiff's case said the law COULDN'T be entered into the Court. How bad and improper is that?

In the Civil cases Dorean filed, the Judge did similiar things by ignoring the RELEVANT facts and only hearing what he wanted to hear. That's not justice or even legally proper.

As a matter of fact, in Schiff's case, the Judge violated Schiff's rights and the Judge violated his oath of office, just like Judge Alsup has done.

Either way those Civil Case opinions against the Dorean Group are overturnable and are "fantasy island" rulings and aren't applicable. Judge Alsup lacks jurisdiction by the way he handled the case, so his rulings ARE VOID BY LAW.

It's so tragic how the Supreme Court has ruled one way, in defending Schiff's innocence, and the lower courts have ruled the complete opposite wrongful way.

It's obvious that the Supreme Court has said the 14th amendment created NO NEW TAX and hence no obligation to file a 1040. Not only that the 14th amendment is not even law since it wasn'legally & properly passed.

However, if people want to continue to believe a lie, it still doesn't make it a fact ever no matter how you sugar coat it.

mogel said...

Judge Beanhead said: "The program has been legally ruled as a scam by the Federal court and the ruling hasn't been appealled so it stands."
___________________________________

Where in any case has the word, "SCAM" BEEN USED? Please point me to that word IN ANY FILING.

mogel said...

Want to Be Free said: "PUT LEIN ON MY HOUSE GETTING READY TO FORECLOSE IF IM CAUGHT DRTIVING in ILL"
_____________________________
Do you really think the DOT is going to pay off your mortgages that have a priority over the DOT's lien? Get real. Your fears are nonsense. Won't happen, anymore than your fears that Dorean won't be successful in the end. Get over it.

mogel said...

Wantobefree: Let me see if I understand you correctly? You let your drivers license expire, and you've NEVER had a speeding ticket or other violations, so the DOT revoked your license because you claimed to be a sovereign at one time, so if you get pulled over, you think you're going to jail for driving under a revoked driving license?

If you have no fines to pay why can't you just apply for a new drivers license, take the written & driving test if that's what you want to do and not worry about being pulled over for no license?

Your posting doesn't make sense to me.

mogel said...

Want to be Free said: "I HAD A PERFECT CREDIT RATING NOT NO MORE THANKS TO THAT STUPID ASS SHIT".
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What do the processes of the Dorean challenge, or of declaring your sovereignty in your PARTICULAR CASE have to do with hurting your credit rating? You'll have to explain that connection since I don't understand your complaint?

mogel said...

Wnat to Be free said: "I HAD A PERFECT CREDIT RATING NOT NO MORE THANKS TO THAT STUPID ASS SHIT"
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How does the process of declaring your sovereignty or of doing a mortgage challenge IN YOUR PARTICULAR CASE, have a direct impact on damaging your credit rating?

Also, you say that you SAVED MONEY to minimize the damage you've caused yourself to get out of the processes, so why the immediate threats of a financial refund, if admittedly things aren't as bad as you say they are?

I would say that according to your own fears and beliefs, you are your worst enemey and you are a PESSIMIST in the worst degree by your own admissions.

habakkuk said...

Hey Scott,

Did you read that article yet?

Regards,

The Prostelytizer (spelling check)

mogel said...

Want to be free said: "ONE OF THESE DAYS SOME ONES GOING TO GO INTO THEM STUPID ASS SOVERN COURTS WITH AN AK-47 AN UNLEASH.BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT".
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. Would that someone be you?

son of a prophet said...

Want to be free said: "ONE OF THESE DAYS SOME ONES GOING TO GO INTO THEM STUPID ASS SOVERN COURTS WITH AN AK-47 AN UNLEASH.BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT".


gee, i wouldnt want to be a jugde then...

mogel said...

Want to Be Free said: "CAUSE ONE OF THESE DAYS SOME ONES GOING TO GO INTO THEM STUPID ASS SOVERN COURTS WITH AN AK-47 AN UNLEASH.BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT".
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So you are saying that the Article 3 courts cause more harm than the IRS does to people's lives?

Why wouldn't a crazy man with an AK-47 not start a rampage at an IRS office, before he ever decided to start at an article 3 court building? Doesn't the IRS do more personal damage than an article 3 court could ever do? And if so, why no mention or threat to the IRS who is about to take your home in your estimation? Why not make a threat DIRECTLY to the bad guys instead of toward the good guys? who are only trying to help you? Again your posting and your intent makes no sense to me as always.

KYHOOYA said...

habakkuk said...
Hey Scott,

Did you read that article yet?

Regards,

The Prostelytizer (spelling check)

1:20 PM

Habb
you no them government type's don't work on the weekend's. I sure you'll hear back first thing monday.

you know when he can bill for the time he spends on here causeing trouble.

I would'nt waste your time on him. yet it is fun to watch him stumble through trying to answer you question with anything that makes sence.

L8R qB^}>x=====\/

wantobefree said...

good it makes nosense what you say either article 3 courts, what a room rented out at one of the casinos yea right thats a real court.Yea i know they were trying to help but it has caused nothing but problems for me and my family.If i didnt just fork out almost $30,000 to the goverment we was on our way to living on the streets so as far as im concerned the whole sovern shit can kiss my ass.After i fly back and make one more apperance in there rented rooms above the casinos,lol what a joke,between this dorean crap and all the certified mail i sent to all these government officals my daughter couldve had atleast $10,000 set back for her college this whole thing has made me very bitter.Ive got 3weeks vac coming mogel im going to the courts then im looking you up so you better be ready to shit out $4300 or youll be shittin my size 12 boot for a week.as far as an ak-47 im not like that dont believe in guns i have two hands for that.Me and everybody else that has lost money on this crap and im sure many homes is tired of the bullshit quit talking religion and give us our money back.Now what part of this doesnt make sense.

wantobefree said...

Almost forgot how did it hurt my credit lets see you rat bastard i quit paying taxes for 3 years irs 2weeks ago put a lein against my house now its on my credit for 7 yrs.they also put levys on my accounts. ok smart guy reply to that one,because we all know you have one.

wantobefree said...

Yea rat its illegal to drive without a license its a previlage not a right

wantobefree said...

As a matter of fact rat dont even reply im so sick of hearing your lies we will discuss this in person when i fly over there soon to get my money

wantobefree said...

ooo dont sign nothing dont even reply if you do youll get back in the system huh whatever

tcob247 said...

wanttobefree....

are you saying that mogel is the one to blame for your financal problems?

neodemes said...

Anyone numb enough to fall for all that tired out sovereign crap digs their own hole to fall in.

wantobefree said...

tcob No not at all ,but since im going to be in the area might as will collect or satisfaction

habakkuk said...

kyhooya,

I hear ya....He either didnt bother or he did and he's speechless.

tcob247 said...

wanttobefree.....

Is Mogel the one that you paid $4,500 to get you inot the Dorean process?

Scott from Vineland said...

Whatdoyoumean –
You need to proof-read your rants a little better before you post them. You left out the part where I sodomize their children and stomp their little puppy/kitten/bunny wabbit. You’re a dolt. Where did I ever say I was a loan officer? I’m a peon clerk who works for an hourly wage in QC. Among other things, I audit loans for FRAUD.

Kahooey –
You need to make up your mind if I’m a guvmint-type or a lawyer. Lawyers bill for hours. Guvmint-types work for a salary.

Hab –
Speechless is fitting description of me at this point. I can’t believe I let you guys suck me back into this conversation. You strike me as a decent guy, Hab, you really do. You’re clearly smarter and not as mean-spirited as so many others participating in this forum. I still think you’re being deceived but I can’t hold it against you. Best of luck, bro.

Scott from Vineland said...

And I'm sorry about that tin-foil hat crack. That was mean-spirited on MY part. I guess I can see how good (or bad, if you will) the whole thing sounds on paper. But sadly, you guys will never change the system. And I'm just not ready to convert my 401-k to canned goods and ammunition just yet.

son of a prophet said...

"And I'm just not ready to convert my 401-k to canned goods and ammunition just yet...."






as north korea has just tested the 'bomb', you might want to start thinkign about that....

habakkuk said...

"Hab –
Speechless is fitting description of me at this point. I can’t believe I let you guys suck me back into this conversation. You strike me as a decent guy, Hab, you really do. You’re clearly smarter and not as mean-spirited as so many others participating in this forum. I still think you’re being deceived but I can’t hold it against you. Best of luck, bro. "

Thanks for the compliment but maybe you didnt see my first question.....Did you read that article with the diagram that explains the bank fraud?? I dont want you to go away saying i didnt make my point. I've dont the same thing with others on this blog and they simply ignore the TRUTH.

I like what Yeshua (Jesus) said..."You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free"

tcob247 said...

Hab....

My opinion, but I feel you are seriously misquoting Yeshua

"I like what Yeshua (Jesus) said..."You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free"

Dude, do you believe he is talking about forgiveness of our sin and eternal life through him........
or , as you infer, talking about evil banksters and believing the same way YOU do about a website about the evil banking system

Scott from Vineland said...

Hab-
Read it but still not buying it. Always going in circles. Major difference between FRN's and promissory notes: Ben Franklin is always worth $100..... promissory notes eventually become worthless as an asset if the maker pays them off. It's apples and oranges.

I'm sure you'll have another good response but let's just agree to disagree, shall we? Clearly we're both too tenacious to yield. I didn't want to ignore your last question but seriously, I'm tired of going over this, just as you told me YOU were a while back. I'm finished with this thread.

habakkuk said...

"Dude, do you believe he is talking about forgiveness of our sin and eternal life through him........
or , as you infer, talking about evil banksters and believing the same way YOU do about a website about the evil banking system "

Tcob,If you listen to what i say you wouldnt be so offended....I DIDNT say that scripture is not refering to the salvation experience. All i'm saying is that the WORD of G-d is more than your one-dimensional view of it. Salvation is just the start....you gotta keep going. The WORD of G-d is like pealing an onion....One TRUTH leads to another TRUTH...If you keep looking into it the TRUTH explodes and expands. Of course He's talking about salvation...thats easy...but HE also is talking about other things if your spiritual eyes and ears are opened to see it. If not, you only see salvation....which in itself is great if you want to spend eternity with him (like all of HIs children will)....but what about your life here on earth?? Thats why so many Christians in the church are living way below their birthright because they refuse to look beyond the fact they are going to Heaven.

The PERSON of Yeshua prepares us for Heaven, The PRINCIPLES of Yeshua prepares us for life on earth. Too many Christians have the Person but ignore HIS Principles.

So i ask again, Does G-d have an opinion or principle when it comes to Fraud? YES.

When i realized i was being defrauded by the bank did i realize the TRUTH of that situation?? YES

Did i realize that fraud was against the WORD of G-d and His Laws? YES

Is it lawful for me to confront this Fraud by taking legal action?
YES

I say again...The Bible has more to do about Law and Government than we give it credit for. Didnt Yeshua teach us how to pray:

"Your KINGDOM COME, Your WILL be done on earth as it is in Heaven. "

Lets not use Fraud, lets use sickness. Does Yeshua still heal? YES. Is it in HIS WILL for us to be healed and live in health? YES

Do Christians die refusing to know HIM as their healer? YES, all the time. "My people parish for lack of knowledge".

But when they know HIS TRUTH they are set free and healed. I know its true, it happened to me.

habakkuk said...

Scott,

Fair enough. I really dont know what else to say. If you dont believe it then you cant benefit from it.

The Feds and the Bank Knows the TRUTH and they are having fun perverting it and bringing multitudes of people under their bondage by deceiving them.

Yes, lets agree to disagree.

habakkuk said...

The words of Yeshua (Jesus) as HE read from the book of Isaiah in the synagogue:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon ME, because HE has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the POOR; He has sent ME to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim LIBERTY to the CAPTIVES and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are OPPRESSED; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."

I'll end my posts with that.

G-d bless those who seek for the TRUTH.

whatdoyoumean said...

Major difference between FRN's and promissory notes: Ben Franklin is always worth $100..... promissory notes eventually become worthless as an asset if the maker pays them off. It's apples and oranges


FRN's can become nearly useless. Fifty years ago $100 would buy a hell of alot more than now. Is it because the money is worth less, or things cost more?

mogel said...

Want to be Free said: "how did it hurt my credit lets see you rat bastard i quit paying taxes for 3 years irs 2weeks ago put a lein against my house now its on my credit for 7 yrs.they also put levys on my accounts."
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My point was that the process had nothing to do with whether the IRS was going to put a lien on your house or not. If the IRS doesn't get paid, whether they have a legitimate right for payment or not, they probably are going to put a lien on your property, so doing the process or not, has nothing to do with your credit being ruined. As always, you keep putting the blame in the wrong places.

Liens and even IRS liens can get removed through credit repair and through a refute process. I've done it for people. You can believe that or not, but I know it's true.

Maybe you should consider to stop freely volunteering information to the IRS in the future, so they don't have the advantage over you. And maybe stop admitting you owe a debt by filing a 1040 and declaring a liability under oath, as if you legitimately admit you owe the money.

mogel said...

Wnat to Be Free said: "they also put levys on my accounts."
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Since when do levies on a personal bank account affect one's credit? The IRS doesn't even file in court to do this, so why should a derogatory show up on your credit report by the IRS's illegal levy and willful failure to get a valid judgment before they execute a garnishment? The answer is that such a bank account levy action doesn't affect your credit through a bank account seizure in the case of the IRS.

So are you going to fight the IRS too with your hands? Will the IRS be afraid of your size 12 shoe? Seems to me they have caused you more damage than anyone else. Have you personally threatened your sovereignty friends too? Do you think I personally benefited by the complete $4300? Have you forgotten that a trust has been created for you that you haven't paid for yet which you agreed to according to the service agreement? Have you forgotten that a refund has been promised to you by the Dorean Group? You're going to just have to wait as long as it takes-- just like everyone else. Do you expect to get paid twice over like the banks too-- in the case of a dorean refund?

As far as religion is concerned, I will not shut up--- this is still America & I have freedom of speech-- nor will I be influenced by people like yourself. Physical threats are meaningless to me. You have a good and wonderful day.

mogel said...

Wnat to Be Free said: "As a matter of fact rat dont even reply im so sick of hearing your lies we will discuss this in person when i fly over there soon to get my money:
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Then, don't bother to read my replies.

mogel said...

Want to Be Enslaved said: "tcob No not at all ,but since im going to be in the area might as will collect or satisfaction."
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You won't collect a dime from me voluntarily, and as usual, you will never be satisfied, I assure you.

mogel said...

Want to Be Enslaved said: "but since im going to be in the area..."
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LOL. Have you forgotten, we both live in the same area within hours of each other?

mogel said...

It appears something seems to be happening with the Freedom Club:

ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDY STATUS

Update: 10-9-06
"We are beginning to mail out the Assignment Agreements to our members this week in preparation for disbursements."

Seen it in Utah said...

Neo: Did you get my e-mail?

mogel said...

MBNA loses & does not prove they had a valid agreement to arbitrate:

http://www.budhibbs.com/MMBNA.htm

mogel said...

Want to be Free said: "IRS HAS PUT A LEVY AGAINST MY ACCOUNTS PUT LEIN ON MY HOUSE GETTING READY TO FORECLOSE"
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Yet in a later post within a day or two, you said you paid $30,000, so you wouldn't be evicted by the IRS?..... "If i didnt JUST fork out almost $30,000 to the goverment we was on our way to living on the streets"

I'm confused, which is it? Potential eviction or IRS potential foreclosure & eviction problem solved with large payment of $30,000?

mogel said...

Want to Be Free said: "im looking you up so you better be ready to shit out $4300 or youll be shittin my size 12 boot for a week."
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You're WRONG! You can't even get the amount you paid CORRECT AND POST IT ACCURATELY!! LOL

Why don't you check your records AGAIN and apologize for your financial miscalculation OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOU PAID. Or are you JUST LYING ON WHAT YOU PAID???????????

How many of your OTHER assumptions are the same way?

Oh, and by the way, what has changed since a few months ago when you learned that the administrative judgments could be sold OVERSEAS for cash & from that cash, clients could be compensated many fold over from the amount of their mortgages?

When you learned that was a possibility, you said that "you would kiss my ass" if that were true.

Has some dramatic event happened since then that has CONVINCED YOU that no settlement is now possible?

You're a piece of work.