Saturday, December 02, 2006

Do You Believe In Magic?

Take your two hands and place them about a foot in front of your face opposing each other. Spread your fingers a little and then touch your fingertips together. Moving them apart and together about 1 inch or two. Now focus with your eyes about a foot past your fingers while continuing the motion. A third set a fingertips should appear. Because you see it that way does it make it so? Every magician has learned the art of taking advantage of the natural mechanics of the eye and the reflex responses of our nature to create their illusions. If this can be done for mere entertainment do you not think it could be mastered for the soul of this country? You think your definition of money, value, and exchange are original? I think your thoughts were bought and paid for by those hiding the truth they never want you to learn. Behind every lie is the truth worth hiding. I have 30 years in the church and Christians are the worst because they have a revelatory truth by no act of their own and think the rest of the hidden truths will come in like manner. They are lazy and lemmings who fall back on their apple arguments in the orange debate. Illusion is accomplished when one gains confidence in a set of facts that don’t exist. If you spent as much effort examining money or credit as you do for any word you can find in my text to verify in your own mind I am foolish I might not have all my so called friends appear like porcupines. You say you care about me and in part I believe you but your care is tainted by your lack of concern for yourself. You think I’m proud and arrogant because I harshly resist your cowardly displays of knowledge. Pride is an undeserved platform. My boast is true. I fast and pray more than you all. I take risk of life and limb for the sake of the gospel. I have 30 years of diligent study in the word under the best teachers with a genius IQ. You go to church for 1 hour of music and a 45-minute ear tickling message in between football games, a message you don’t remember on Monday, and you judge me by the extra fingers you see that don’t exist. Well my friend that is pride and that proceeds the fall. False humility is just pride on the other side of the street. I have faithed out of foxholes that destroyed others. Of course Christ was the all and all in my supply but none of you will hear that because you haven’t come close to earning the confidence I have in Christ because your confidence is attracted to illusions. Even if I go away for 20 years have no fear I will never succumb to the temptation to bow my knee to the impotent Christ of your imaginations. Now if God gives me the boast of His power in this situation perhaps you will listen because it fell within the precious sight of your little trusted eyes. Shame, shame, shame needing a sign instead of His word. Even a wicked generation can muster this faith. Like Jesus said (paraphrased – Oh My God!) I have no friend or family except those who hear the word of God and do it. So if you are a friend “Just do it” already.

46 comments:

habakkuk said...

"Shame, shame, shame needing a sign instead of His word (EXACTLY).

Even a wicked generation can muster this faith. Like Jesus said (paraphrased – Oh My God!) I have no friend or family except those who hear the word of God and do it. So if you are a friend “Just do it” already."

BINGO.

imbigo said...

Well said my friend,many blessings to you and Scott. Hope to see you both real soon upon your release, never the lest I'll see you on this Thurs. (if the Lord says the same !)

GOD BLESS YOU ALL !!

FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR AND THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN...

THATS IN THE BIBLE

BIG"O" 1+1+1=1

tcob247 said...

"My boast is true. I fast and pray more than you all. I take risk of life and limb for the sake of the gospel. I have 30 years of diligent study in the word under the best teachers with a genius IQ."

All that and you still sit in jail and preach to us.
(Please supporters, no Apostle Paul comparisons)

I have a finger trick for you King Kurt.
Look in the mirror hold up both hands and extend your middle fingers
Take a good look

This will be the proxy for the hundreds of people who lost money homes and families because of your lies

Enjoy your 20 years

justice77777777 said...

"Even if I go away for 20 years have no fear I will never succumb to the temptation to bow my knee to the impotent Christ of your imaginations."

....actually lord johnson, you will get 25-30 years, not that anyones counting. your cohort heineman will be the one to get 20 years.

at least you are now not completely under the illusion that you will walk away a free man one day and realize that jail time is pretty much yours and heineman's destiny, so get prepared to "just do it already". lol

justice77777777 said...

imbigo said...
FAITH IS THE SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR AND THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN...

THATS IN THE BIBLE

i don't think that this passage applies to criminal activity, imabitslo, especially when the "evidence of things not seen" will come to be seen at trial, and a jury will not find it flattering at all (see tcob's post). that's why johnson mentioned the 20 years. he can have all the faith he wants but a jury will decide his and heineman's fate and it won't be pretty.

dgwondering said...

The wanna-be martyr Kurt said "Illusion is accomplished when one gains confidence in a set of facts that don’t exist."

Duh and you're the BS artist that set hundreds (not thousands as you and your brokers claimed in your lies) of people up to lose their homes.

You;ve got more illusions going than Hollywood and you try to wrap it all up in being some receiver of messages from Christ.

YOu're just another flaky con artist, Johnson. You'll go to hell for using Christ as your defense. And good riddance.

neodemes said...

What? Kurt going to prison for 20+?

But, but...he was on a mission for God. It must be true 'cause he told us so.

Then again, all in God's good timing.

whyudothat said...

so wannabe a real judge beanie, what is your convoluted comment going to be on this COURT DECISION that you say cant be and has already been knocked down many times by the courts, where the PRESIDENT OF THE BANK went on court record TESTIFYING that the alleged mortgage loan was admittedly " money (credit) created from thin air."

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/money/mahoney-introduction.html

do try and articulate a clear response to something you say that cant be true but yet is proof of already happening and many times more in settlements unpublished.

mogel said...

"The banker testified about the mortgage loan given to Jerome Daly, but then Daly cross examined the banker about the creating of money "out of thin air," and the banker admitted that this was standard banking practice. When Justice Mahoney heard the banker testify that he could "create money out of thin air," Mahoney said, "It sounds like fraud to me." I looked at the faces of the jurors, and they were all agreeing with Mahoney by shaking their heads and by the looks on their faces."
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No, it can't be????
Honorable Judge Alsup wouldn't make an important decision against the Dorean Group based upon a lie, would he? :o(

You're going to hurt the integrity of Mr. Wondering who is now prounounced himself to be Judge of all men who sends and wishes people to hell with delight. :o)
What's worse speaking for God, or pretending to be Judge & God himself?

That sounds a whole lot worse than allegedly "putting a curse of cancer on someone," don't you think?

Where is the outrage? :o)

All I see is a bunch of parrots pooping in their own cages with their extrament getting in their way.

mogel said...

Whoops!! "excrement" is the proper spelling. I'm not an authority on B.S. like some of the others here.

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whyudothat said...

the ppl are free to believe a wannabe judge beanie, or a REAL judge with enough character to state the truth here and entered it into the court record.

So for all the wannabe judge beanie babies, pauligirls, and Neo's out there, deceived, who labor tirelessly to discredit truth, here is the COURT"S DECISION on the very premise you can not come to grips with in your reality.

The President of the bank testified on record stating that this was "STANDARD BANKING PRACTICE"

Plaintiff admitted that it, in combination with the federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, which are for all practical purposes, because of their interlocking activity and practices, and both being Banking Institutions Incorporated under the Laws of the United States, are in the Law to be treated as one and the same Bank, did create the entire $14,000.00 in money or credit upon its own books by bookkeeping entry. That this was the Consideration used to support the Note dated May 8, 1964 and the Mortgage of the same date. The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Mr. Morgan admitted that no United States Law Statute existed which gave him the right to do this. A lawful consideration must exist and be tendered to support the Note. See Ansheuser-Busch Brewing Company v. Emma Mason, 44 Minn. 318, 46 N.W. 558. The Jury found that there was no consideration and I agree. Only God can create something of value out of nothing.

Even if Defendant could be charged with waiver or estoppel as a matter of Law this is no defense to the Plaintiff. The Law leaves wrongdoers where it finds them. See sections 50, 51 and 52 of Am Jur 2nd "Actions" on page 584 – "no action will lie to recover on a claim based upon, or in any manner depending upon, a fraudulent, illegal, or immoral transaction or contract to which Plaintiff was a party."

Plaintiff's act of creating credit is not authorized by the Constitution and Laws of the United States, is unconstitutional and void, and is not a lawful consideration in the eyes of the Law to support any thing or upon which any lawful right can be built.

Nothing in the Constitution of the United States limits the jurisdiction of this Court, which is one of original Jurisdiction with right of trial by Jury guaranteed. This is a Common Law action. Minnesota cannot limit or impair the power of this Court to render Complete Justice between the parties. Any provisions in the Constitution and laws of Minnesota which attempt to do so is repugnant to the Constitution of the United States and void. No question as to the Jurisdiction of this Court was raised by either party at the trial. Both parties were given complete liberty to submit any and all facts to the Jury, at least in so far as they saw fit.

No complaint was made by Plaintiff that Plaintiff did not receive a fair trial. From the admissions made by Mr. Morgan the path of duty was direct and clear for the Jury. Their Verdict could not reasonably been otherwise. Justice was rendered completely and without denial, promptly and without delay, freely and without purchase, conformable to the laws in this Court of December 7, 1968.

BY THE COURT

December 9, 1968

Justice Martin V. Mahoney
Credit River Township
Scott County, Minnesota.

Note: It has never been doubted that a Note given on a Consideration which is prohibited by law is void. It has been determined, independent of Acts of Congress, that sailing under the license of an enemy is illegal. The emission of Bills of Credit upon the books of these private Corporations for the purpose of private gain is not warranted by the Constitution of the United States and is unlawful. See Craig v. Mo. 4 Peters Reports 912. This Court can tread only that path which is marked out by duty. M.V.M.

..and the deceived of the world would have you believe the bankers actions are to be deemed "working smartly"..

mogel said...

Course leave it to the Court system which is suppose to be based upon fairness & truth to squash and pervert the truth!!!

They did so by rendering that lower Minnesota court case decision void through an appeallant hearing later. I think even the attorney in the case was later sanctioned and/or disbarred. I read the higher court decision at one time. Wish I had the link again because I lost it. Probably Pauligirl has it on her files.

Maybe having the case appealed or even heard might have even been illegal on procedural grounds, but the fact is that this lower case ruling was overturned anyway, so a smart ass attorney would say that the lower case has no real relevance or significance. :o(

dgwondering said...

The Credit River myth just won't die as long as scammers keep dragging it out and dusting it off. Gashler that story has no legal bearing on anything and the banks arent' going to be called to testify for anything against the Dorean perps because the courts have already ruled these flakey BS arguments are frivolous.

Look idiot, if you get charged with a crime, you can't defend yourself by acusing someone else with one.

If you steal $1,000 from someone you can't say it's OK because you make some BS claim about them breaking what some nutball says is a law that really isn't a law.

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justice77777777 said...

whyudothat said...
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/money/mahoney-introduction.html

i have a question. what credibility does this website bring for it to be takes as truth? i mean have you read the off the wall crap that is posted on this site? don't they talk about the ALL CAP stuff that has proven time and time again that it does not work? this is just one example of UN-proves crap you can read at this site. so why should anyone believe anything else from this site?

tcob247 said...

kahooya

Are your fingers tired yet?

Holy crap


Why don't you just use cash?

Why do you have a mortgage if you dont like the banks so much?

god said...

"Why don't you just use cash?

Why do you have a mortgage if you dont like the banks so much? "

OH SURE..LIKE THEY'RE NOT ALL CONNECTED.

WHY DONT YOU STOP ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS?

love,

god

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "that story has no legal bearing on anything. Look idiot, if you get charged with a crime, you can't defend yourself by acusing someone else with one.

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Well, actually it does! The case prior to Judge Alsup, shows that Judge Alsup lied & becomes a witness against him. The Courts have said that the argument of creating money out of thin air is frivolous, but some experts have testified OTHERWISE, like this Minnesota court case. You asked for an expert witness & were given one. Why you can't admit that, is beyond my understanding. You just want to see what you want to see and become blind to everything else.

Again, you missed the point, it's not that the banks committed a crime that is the point being made, although they did commit a crime, the point is if the banks are creating money out of thin air & loaning out money they didn't initially have, then, the Dorean Process isn't a fraud and a crime & is based upon something of substance & of real argumental basis, and hence is not a frivolous argument.

People like you are experts at confusing the real issues at hand.

Your analogy of the $1,000 being stolen makes no sense & doesn't apply to the Dorean Process. The Dorean Group stole nothing if the bank had no valid right to be on legal title in the first place.

If others have committed a crime,or torts, they can be tried or sued separately in a new Civil Case outside the current criminal trial and probably will be.

Tony Tuba said...

Justice Martin V. Mahoney was murdered 6 months after he entered the Credit River Decision on the books of the Court. I'm sure justice and the boys will say this was just a coincidence.

tcob247 said...

Dear God


HUH?

Why don't you stop making stupid statements

I'm starting to question whether you really are God

whyudothat said...

justice77777777 said...
i have a question. what credibility does this website bring for it to be takes as truth?


agreed justice, dont take THAT websites word for it, however that court case is well known google search for it, and you will find the FACTS of the case from many sources besides that website.

check the courts own record and you will find it.

Pauligirl said...

whyudothat said...
check the courts own record and you will find it.
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Do you know if in any of the records there is a transcript of what the bank person actually said?
There are a lot of the court docs here.....
Credit River filings

And I found this one to be very interesting.
Credit River Bank Affidavit

whyudothat said...

pauli,

I know a friend who does have the transcript, I'll try and get it for you.

I can tell you this. That is one document that is pulled from the legal archives.

whyudothat said...

p.s. pauli, thanks for the links, it will show dgwondering and the others that it is NOT just a myth from ONE website 'out there'.

It is FACT and in the court record.

mogel said...

Minnesota Court said:

"The present complaint could have been dismissed for failure to comply with Federal Civil Rules in that it is "confusing, ambiguous, redundant, vague, and a complete unintelligible statement of argumentative fact.

"At best the complaint represents a euphoric harrassment of bank officials, lawyers, and federal courts. It is difficult to accept that the complaint has been drafted by a person licensed to practice law."
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Gee, where have we heard these words before? Maybe Judge Alsup copied this response in his ruling on the Dorean's Civil suit against the banks. Sure sounds like it. I guess that proves Alsup doesn't have an original thought. He has to plagarize words. Or maybe it's just the Court's strategy when the banks are challenged. LOL

Jerome Daly was disbarred for "contempt of court". Contempt of court is defined as standing on your rights according to the constitution & asserting what the constitution says & demanding that the courts follow the constitution. LOL

What is even more interesting is this statement:

"Defendant's attorney, Jerome Daly, has been permanently enjoined by Roy L. Stephenson, Cheif Judge, United States District Court, Southern District of Iowa, from bringing ANY CLAIMS REGARDING UNLAWFUL CREATION OF MONEY AND CREDIT IN ANY COURT, STATE OR FEDERAL. (See attached photograph of Permanent Injunction dated June 20, 1968).

Permanent Injunction? Also seems to be a part of the Court's strategy anytime you bring up the truth. Shut the truthsayers up at all costs.

mogel said...

Mind you, this link posted by Pauligirl, appears to be a link for an attorneys page. This is the attorneys analysis:

"It turns out that the Justice of the Peace's decision was appealed to the next higher court, that a new trial was scheduled in that next higher court, and that the PARTIES MUTUALLY AGREE TO DISMISS the case. Although the TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT LEADING TO THE DISMISSAL ARE NOT IN THE COURT FILE, my suspicion is the debtor - who had won at the Justice of the Peace level - threw in the towel because HE KNEW HE COULD NOT WIN in the second trial."
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So in essence the Credit River case was really a stale-mate on appeal!!

Not only that the terms of the dismissal aren't even on the court records. Hmmmmmmmmmm! Makes you think & wonder a bit why? "Private perception......" "public perception"?......

Daly didn't want the appeal. After all, he won in the lower court, why would he want to take the chance of having his decision which was in his favor reversed? The bank wanted the appeal to overturn the lower court's decision of Judge Mahoney, so I don't understand the lawyers analysis by saying, "Daly threw in the towel because he knew he couldn't win on appeal." What kind of nonsense is that? Besides the terms of the dismissal aren't even in the court's records.

The appeal even taking place in a higher court was on questionable grounds. There was the question of jurisdiction of the higher courts even entering into a case that had already been settled. And the fact that the time to appeal the verdict timely never took place & the legal tender to pay for the appeal in gold or silver mandated by Judge Mahoney was never paid by the bank. Had the bank had paid in legal tender to qualify for an appeal, would that have been admission of guilt by acknowledging the difference between legal tender & fiat money?

More interesting still is the fact that Judge Mahoney was murdered, and Attorney Daly was disbarred. They both paid dearly for their strong beliefs.

At any rate, this case involves a successful mortgage cancellation. LOL

mogel said...

"a complete unintelligible statement of argumentative fact."
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Is that an oxy-moron?

If something is complete, can it be unintelligible?

If something is argumentative, can it ever be a fact?

Yes, the District Court Judge here will be remembered for his eloquence and clarity. LOL

Scott from Vineland said...

Kurt, I know you understood what I meant about paraphrasing God's Word. It's one thing if we’re UNABLE to quote a particular scripture verbatim but if we KNOW what His words are and we CHOOSE to substitute our own words for His, then we seek to make ourselves wiser than God.

I'm sure some of my comments on this forum have not been well received by you. But even if you and I were to have a more direct form of dialogue, I'm not sure either of us would be any happier with what the other would have to say. It was probably a bad idea for me to ever get involved in this discussion. I hate to be at odds like this with someone who was once such a good friend but our respective paths in life have created this enmity between us and I can’t see any way to resolve it. Take care of yourself, old friend.

Scott from Vineland said...

BTW, I will fully cop to having too much pride. I know I am an accomplished sinner and I will never claim to be otherwise.

god said...

Scott from V said....

"I hate to be at odds like this with someone who was once such a good friend but our respective paths in life have created this enmity between us and I can’t see any way to resolve it."

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THIS GUY IS POSTEING HERE....HEY SCOTTY, CANT YOU PUT IT IN A NICE LETTER AND SEND IT TO THE GUY? GEEE WIZZ.

AND HOW IS IT THAT YOU HAVE ENMITY AGAINST A GUY YOU HAVNT SEEN IN YEARS?

son of a prophet said...

sfv said....


"Kurt, I know you understood what I meant about paraphrasing God's Word. It's one thing if we’re UNABLE to quote a particular scripture verbatim but if we KNOW what His words are and we CHOOSE to substitute our own words for His, then we seek to make ourselves wiser than God."



REMEMBER----ALL SCRIPTURE IS INTERPRETATION.

AS SCRIPTURE WAS NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH, THE VERSES ARE THE INTERPRETATION OF THE PEOPLE THAT KING JAMES AUTHORISED TO CREATE THE BIBLE THAT MOST USE TODAY.

SO, THE SCRIPTURE VERSES ARE MERELY INTERPRETATIONS OF THE ORIGNAL TEXT.

SO, ANYONE MAY INTERPRET SCRIPTURE AS THE HS GUIDES HIM TO ITS MEANING.

tcob247 said...

God

Why are you asking questions
You should know

You are God

Scott from Vineland said...

Porcupines. Color me dense, I just picked up on that one, Kurt. (Or was it just a coincidence that you chose that comparison? Otherwise, you have a terrific memory.)

And yes, my concern IS tainted. All of our (human) righteousness is as filthy rags. Only God's love for us is untainted by sin. We do the best we can within our fallen spiritual condition.

mogel said...

Scott from Vineland said: "It's one thing if we’re UNABLE to quote a particular scripture verbatim but if we KNOW what His words are and we CHOOSE to substitute our own words for His,"
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Can you be more specific on what you are saying?

mogel said...

Scott from Vineland said: "if we KNOW what His words are and we CHOOSE to substitute our own words for His, then we seek to make ourselves wiser than God."
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OK, I'll bite. What specific words are at contradiction in your viewpoint?

Isn't it kind of strange for someone to make themselves wiser than God & then at the same time give the glory to Him? Maybe you missed those comments by Kurt since you are relatively new to this scene.

Maybe a true friend would give someone the benefit of the doubt that a past friend is doing what he does out of sheer obedience to a higher power and following a path he truly believes in.

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel said...
Scott from Vineland said: "It's one thing if we’re UNABLE to quote a particular scripture verbatim but if we KNOW what His words are and we CHOOSE to substitute our own words for His,"
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Can you be more specific on what you are saying?

What I'm saying is, I understand that none of us can memorize every chapter and verse of the Bible yet we may still want to convey the context of something we have read. This being the case, we might paraphrase to some degree. But if we KNOW exactly what God's words are (to the extent that we believe in divine inspiration and trust in the translation from the original Greek or Aramaic), then I think we should use HIS words and not take poetic license.
Savvy?

Scott from Vineland said...

mogel said...
Scott from Vineland said: "if we KNOW what His words are and we CHOOSE to substitute our own words for His, then we seek to make ourselves wiser than God."
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OK, I'll bite. What specific words are at contradiction in your viewpoint?

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Not contradiction so much as dramatic license. Kurt said a few weeks back that God would say "To hell with you" to more people than He would say "Well done". Now I'm pretty sure Kurt knows that what Christ actually says, according to Matthew’s Gospel, is “I never knew you, Depart from me”. So why not just say THAT? I’m sure you will say I’m splitting hairs here, Mogel, but if we truly believe in the sanctity of God’s Word, we should make every effort to preserve it.

Best I can tell, Kurt believes wholeheartedly in his cause and his mission. Only God knows what is truly in any man’s heart. And Kurt and I were friends 30 years ago. It might be a stretch to say that we are friends now. We are at odds on some very fundamental things.

mogel said...

poetic license?

And that is bad because.......?

Is there some sort of glaring contradiction you want to state in emphatic and specific terms or do you just want to speak in general terms?

mogel said...

Scott from Vineland said: "Now I'm pretty sure Kurt knows that what Christ actually says, according to Matthew’s Gospel, is “I never knew you, Depart from me”. So why not just say THAT?"
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Oh really? Do you expect God to say the same response to all sinners & all sinners of different degrees? That isn't even just to do that. That is like putting all sinners in the same separate category.

What did David who slept with Bathsheba say about God's relationship with David at one time? Did God say, "Depart David, I never knew you?" Not at all. God's love & relationship with David was QUITE CLOSE for a very long time & God paid some pretty deep & profound compliments towards David & his life. All you have to do is read about it in the Old Testament. For God to say to David, "Depart from me, I never knew you," would be to make a mockery of all of the great things David accomplished in his life & the standards he had & the things God said about David. Did David forget God because of his own personal weaknesses? Yes he did. It's a tragic story. He succumed to the sins of adultery & murder.

What did David say about God's mercy in the Book of Psalms: "I know that thou WILL NOT leave my soul in hell." It's one thing, going to hell, and quite another staying there for eternity.

Where people get confused, is that there is actually two hells spoken of in the scriptures & sometimes people don't distinguish this OR EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS. The one hell where most people will go is NOT a permanent place. Those that repent or pay for their sins will eventually LEAVE this hell. Some will stay there for a thousand years because their sins are so grevious that need to be paid for.

The other hell, that is reserved only for "sons of perdition" is an eternal place of hell & torment, RESERVED ONLY FOR A FEW in comparisons to all that have ever lived. This sin is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which only few qualify for. To be that wicked, you must know all about God & his plan of salvation & openly rebel against God & Jesus & put yourself to open shame with full purpose of heart after completely knowing the truth, not walking by faith and knowing all about Heaven & earth and ALTOGETHER turning away from Him and spiritual things after so being enlightened with such great intelligence and perfect knowlege. Thus you become an eternal enemy to God & have openly shamed the Holy Spirit out of choice, just like Satan did in the premortal life & became an eternal enemy to God & can't change & can't even repent because he has lost the ability & desire to do so through his choices.

So if God gives different responses to different people, evaluating & judging their life, don't be surprised & don't judge Kurt as if he is some sort of heretic or something like that. He is no heretic by your insinuations.

mogel said...

So Scott from Vineland, have you forgotten the most famous Psalm of all: Psalm 23. Maybe you should read it: vs. 6 says: "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I WILL DWELL in the house of the Lord forever."

That doesn't sound like "depart from me, I never knew you, you'll never see me again" type of stuff does it?

You think David took some poetic liberties even though it's right there in the scriptures in Psalm 23. So David lied to everyone about eventually being in the house of the Lord forever, you think and he also lied about the mercy of God too?

Which is it? Are you so sure what you believe?

mogel said...

Psalm 23: 4 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for THOU ART WITH ME; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me."
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Doesn't sound like God has departed from David, the great prophet of old, unless David is also a tremendous liar too.

Doesn't sound that David never knew God when he says things like: "thy rod and thy staff COMFORT ME."

Can you speak so eloquently & truthfully & never know God? Would God acknowlege a lie by sending the Spirit to David & then saying he never had the Spirit & that God never spoke to him & God never knew him?

Now, that's almost funny, if you really believe what you say.

mogel said...

John 17: 12
"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name; those that thou gavest me I have kept, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the SON OF PERDITION; that the scriptures might be fulfilled.

mogel said...

Son of Prophet said: SO, ANYONE MAY INTERPRET SCRIPTURE AS THE HS GUIDES HIM TO ITS MEANING.
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I don't know if you are saying the same thing here. Maybe you are, but the scripture might be a little more explicit.

1 Peter 1: 20

"knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION."

The Holy Spirit has one specific meaning & if one is not inspired with the Holy Spirit, one doesn't get the message or intended meaning no matter how hard they try sometimes.

Problem is that many say they are filled with the Spirit & really believe they are when in reality they can't be due to the different meanings that different people come up with by reading a particular verse.

The Holy Ghost or spirit is a gift from God and is not given to all just because one may desire it.

Scott from Vineland said...

Mogel-
Read Matthew 7.

mogel said...

Math 7: 22: "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name, have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
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Scott from Vineland: Originally I read that before I responded to you. That scripture refers to those people that assume the mantle & authority and will of God when in fact they don't have it. Is that how you see Kurt, one who doesn't have the same purpose and will as God, or a selfish person, a wolf in sheeps clothing, only interested in personal glory and riches?

"You shall know them by their fruits". If Dorean is successful in returning funds to their clients, would you see that as a good fruit?

I don't believe for one second that the core of the fruit of the Dorean Group is a rotten seed or that the Dorean Group is doing inquity by their challenge to the banks & their work to enforce the banks default they have against the lenders. I see all of the forces to thwart their work as the work of evil men.

Apparently you don't believe that though. Do you really believe the Dorean Group is committing iniquity? Apparently you don't see what the Dorean Group is doing as something that is good, do you?

Is that why this emnity exists in your mind?