Monday, December 04, 2006

Here is My Boast – from Scott

I do not boast in my righteousness, which I confess is like a dirty baby diaper! I do not boast in my own wisdom, which is utter foolishness! I do not boast in my glory as a leader since I am a follower myself. Those who are self-righteous fruit inspectors are too ignorant, or even too stupid, to understand what my boast is! However, a few of you will therefore I will make it openly. Whom Christ calls He equips. The wisdom I function with is superior to all who oppose me and that wisdom flows from Christ. My righteousness is also superior to all who judge me because it is not my own rather Christ’s. Though I can’t provide you with all of the details of current events I can boast in God’s duping of our enemies. I won’t educate the judges, prosecutors or others on the mistakes they are making but I delight in the fact that God causes these mistakes to occur and then reveals them to me. The fatal errors have already been made. They cannot win. It is finished except for time. Christ is trustworthy and when He sends you to complete a task you can boast before it is finished, even when it appears to be failure, because He always finishes what He starts. I make my boast in Christ who fills all and all. Men like Keller and Alsup possess no measure of wisdom, righteousness, justice or will against Christ. If you are not joyously mocking those who defy Christ you don’t know the Christ of History. Power is how He maintains His throne. He destroys His enemies with a wink and a nod. Put away your fears and doubts, you were called to participate. Now start trusting our God Almighty to show Himself strong on behalf of justice. Boast in your faith openly and leave the shame of the ignorant for a season until that which is forever settled in heaven is settled here on earth. Boasting in Christ is not vanity, only the boast of the proud fails in the end.


Madtowne said...

Reading your post reminded me of this passage:
"Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their forefathers to give them. Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful whereever you go. Do no let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go."

provb1022 said...

"Let not the wise man glory (boast) in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory (boast) in his might, let not the rich man glory (boast) in his riches, let him that glorieth (boast) glory (boast) in this... that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord, who exercise loving kindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth for in these things I delight." Thanks for the post Scott.. I'm boasting with you. The victory is sure. I did not put myself in this program, the house was lost, but I am confident the final outcome is positive. God bless you and your faithfulness to Him and His work. The joy of the Lord is your strength..

tcob247 said...

"Whom Christ calls He equips. The wisdom I function with is superior to all who oppose me and that wisdom flows from Christ. My righteousness is also superior to all who judge me because it is not my own rather Christ’s"

I believe Jim Jones and David Koresh said the exact same things.

"We will win"

By that you mean you will both be released, the government will pay billions to your followers and your clients will get their houses back? And the banking industry will collapse?

Please explain.
Or is your wisdom from God to lofty for us?

justice77777777 said...

The fatal errors have already been made. They cannot win. It is finished except for time.

ironic isn't it? the government seems to feel the same way, and you are correct, it is finished except for the time served for you and johnson of 20 & 30 years, respectively.

Starfish Prime said...

The Judaic-Christian Bible tells a wonderful story.
It is, in fact, often referred to as "The Greatest Story Ever Told".
And so it is! You are now about to find out why!
In the New Testament of Christian Bible, a provocative and most serious challenge is laid on the whole of Christianity. Since it bears directly on our subject, we will quote it: "...if Christ be not risen, then our preaching is in vain, and your faith is also in vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God ..
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." (I Cor 15:14, 15, & 17)

In the New Testament there is a warning given to all who would build a house. Namely, before you lay the foundation, find out what the foundation itself will rest on - solid rock, or sand? The reason is obvious...
or said another way; "You need to stand under the foundation to get a true under-standing!"


Let's closely examine the original, conceptual foundations of the faith, and then decide "...if Christ be not risen. " But in order to do that, we must go back, not 2.000 years to the birth of Christ, but 8 to 10,000 years to the birth of modern man. For when one seeks to establish foundations, one must begin at the beginning.

Many thousands of years ago in what we refer to as the the "primordial world" of the ancients, human life was a far different experience to that which we enjoy today. While it is true that we have less documentation on that prehistoric world than we have on our own age, ample enough is known from the ancient writings to paint a rather clear picture of our primitive ancestry. If we have learned anything at all, it is this: The more we change, the more we stav the same. And nowhere is this more clearly demonstrated than in the history of man's quest for "God", and the ancient religion we still keep holy today.

According to the best understanding we have gleaned from the available records, life for our ancient forefathers was a mixture of wonder and fear. Each day, just finding food for one's family without becoming a meal yourself for the roaming predatory animals, was a life and death struggle. (If you have ever ventured out on a cold night with insufficient clothing, and without friend or family near, you could quickly see how fearful the dark, cold primordial nights could be) And then came winter!

It was from these meager, distressful conditions of the human race that our long history of the search for God and meaning has come. Any evolution, at it's most accelerated rate, is always agonisingly slow. But from the beginning, man's' profound questions demanded answers. When no clear answers were forthcoming from the universe, man turned inward, and developed his own. Keep in mind that all the theological teachings of the Western World were developed in the Northern Hemisphere. The study of this subject is properly called
- "Astro-Theology" or, "The Worship of the Heavens".


This is the first, original, and therefore the oldest, and most respected story on Earth! It did not take ancient man very long to decide that in this world the single greatest enemy to be feared was the darkness of night, and all the unknown dangers that came with it. Simply stated, man's first enemy was darkness.

Understanding this one fact alone, people can readily see why the greatest and most trustworthy friend the human race could ever have was by far, heaven's greatest gift to the world ... that Glorious Rising Orb of Day ...

the SUN

With this simple truth understood, we can now begin to unravel an ancient and wonderful story.
Today, as in all mankinds' history, it has once again been told anew.

Modern-day Christianity has often belittled our ancient ancestors who are not here to defend themselves.
They falsely accuse that they were nothing more than ignorant worshippers of the sun. Therefore we can, with assurance, summarily dismiss thousands of years of human spirituality as ignominious myth, believed by well-meaning, but gullible primitives. Too much of this kind of spiritual arrogance and religious pride has continued without challenge. The time has come to set matters straight.


First. no people of the ancient world believed the "Sun" to be "God". That belongs in the "disinformation file".

In point of fact, every Ancient culture and nation on Earth have all used the Sun as the most logically appropriate symbol to represent the Glory of the unseen Creator of the heavens. Here it is important to remember two points.

First, with the exception of Japan, the ancient world mythologies always understood the Sun to be masculine in qualities, and the moon feminine. Second, the English language is derived from the German. In the Germanic, the word 'Sun' is spelled 'Sonne'. The two words can (and have been) used interchangeably.

Old Testament:
"The heavens are declaring the Glory of God." (PS.19: 1)

New Testament:
"Jesus is the Glory of God." (2 Cor 4:6)

Old Testament:
"The SUN of Righteousness will arise with healings in His wings." (Mal 4:2)

New Testament:
"God's Son/Sun...he is risen!" (Matt 4:16)
Saying. "How, often I wanted to gather you under my wing. "

Starfish Prime said...

The Statue of this day, kings still wear a round "crown of thorns",
symbolising the rays of the Sun!

The "Ancient Story" went something like this....

1. The ancient peoples reasoned that no one on Earth could ever lay claim of ownership to the Great Orb of Day. It must belong to the unseen Creator of the Universe. It was, figuratively speaking, not man's, but "GOD'S SUN". Truly, "God's Sun/Son was...

2. As stated before, in the dark cold of night man realised his utter vulnerability to the elements. Each night, mankind was forced to wait for the " Risen Sun" to chase away the physical and mental insecurity brought on by the darkness. Therefore, the morning Sun focused man's attention on heavenly dependents for his frail, short existence on Earth, and in doing so, it became the appropriate symbol of divine benevolence from heaven.

3. So just as small fire brought limited light into man's own little world of darkness, likewise the "Great Fire of Day" served the whole Earth with its heavenly presence.
For this reason, it was said at Deut 4:24, and Heb 12:29 that the God of the Bible was a "Consuming Fire" in heaven. And so He is!

4. It was accepted by all that man was bound to a life on Earth, but the sky was God the Father's abode - His dwelling place. Naturally, God's Son/Sun would also reside with his Father " up in HEAVEN".

5. Ancient man saw in his male offspring his own image and likeness, and his own existence as a father was proved by the person of his son. It was assumed that God's 'Sun was but a visible representative of the unseen Creator in heaven. So it was said, "When you have seen the Sun, you have seen the Father ". or "The Father is glorified in his Sun".

6. Ancient man had no problem understanding that all life on Earth depended directly on life-giving energy from the Sun. Consequently, all life was lost without the Sun. It followed that God's 'Sun' was nothing less than "Our very Saviour".
If you don't think so, wait 'till it don't come up!

7. Since life is energy, and energy from the Sun gave life, and we sustained our very existence by taking energy in from our food (which came directly from God's Sun), the Sun must give up its life supporting energy so that we may continue to live.
"God's Sun gives his life for us to live."

8. While it was plainly true that our life came from and was sustained each day by "Our Saviour... God's Sun", it was and would be true only as long as the Sun would return each morning. Our hope of salvation would be secure only in a "RISEN saviour". For if he did not rise from his grave of darkness,all would be lost. All the world waited patiently for His 'imminent return". The Divine Father would never leave us at the mercy of this world of darkness. His Heavenly promise concerning his Sun was surely that..."He would come again" light our path, and save those lost in the darkness ... And He still does...
every morning about 5:30 am.

9. Logically, even if man himself died, as long as the Sun comes up each day, life on Earth will continue forever. Therefore, it was said in the ancient texts that everlasting life was "the gift" that the Father gives through his Sun. For..."God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SUN that we may have life everlasting"....on Earth!
Not for you personally - but ON EARTH... everlasting life!

10. Since evil and harm lurked at every turn in the fearful dark of night, all evil or harmful deeds were naturally, the..."works of darkness."

11. With the return of the Sun each morning, man felt more secure in his world and therefore, was at peace. Therefore, God's 'Sun' was with his warm rays of life and hope...The Great "Prince of Peace".

12. And of course the reverse was equally true. The dark evil of night was ruled by none other than..."Prince of Darkness"... The EVIL / DEVIL.

13. Our English words 'Good' and 'God' we get from the German word 'Goth' as in 'Gothic'. Now we see God is Good, and Devil is Evil

14. It was only a short step to see "The Light of God's Sun" equated with the light of truth - and evil equated with darkness. From then on, it was simple to understand...

"LIGHT was GOOD - DARK was BAD."

15. That being true, then the Great Orb of Day (God's Sun) could rightly say of itself,
"I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD, and no man comes to the Father except through me", or one comes to God Only by the Light of Truth.

Starfish Prime said...

16. We should all "give thanks" to the Father for sending us His "Sun". For the peace and tranquillity he brings to our life is even called 'Solace' - from "Solar" = Sun.

17. We now have before us two (2) cosmic brothers - one very good, and one very evil. One brings the "truth to light" with the "light of truth". The other is the opposite, or in opposition to the light - "The Opposer"...
Prince of this World of Darkness-
The "Devil".

18. It is at this point that we come to Egypt. More than 3,000 years before Christianity began, the early morning "Sun/ Saviour" was pictured in Egypt as the "New Born Babe". The infant saviour's name was "HORUS".

19. The early morning Sun or "New Born Babe", was pictured in two ways.
A) The Dove - Bringer of Peace
B) The Hawk - God of War
(who punishes the enemies of God!).

20. At daybreak. this wonderful, newborn child, God's 'Sun', is ... 'Born Again' Horus is Risen. Even today, when the Sun comes up, we see it on the "Horus-Risen", or "Horizon". His life was also divided into 12 parts or steps across Heaven each day: 12 HORUS = 12 HOURS. This is the origin of the modern " 12 Step Program". Horus is the (new-born) Sun, or the Bringer of the Light. In Latin, Light Bringer is Lucis, or Lucifer, or Luke.

21. But now, what about the evil brother of God's Sun, that old rascally "Prince of Darkness" himself? In the Egyptian, he was called "SET". We are told in the Bible that when God's Sun died, He left the world in the hands of the Evil Prince of Darkness. This evil prince took over the world at "SON-SET".

22. It was generally observed that 'God's Sun' could be depended upon to return in the same manner that he left, namely, "On a Cloud""..and that "Every eye will see Him"" ... Every evening, go out and watch the Sun leave this world "on a cloud". And next morning, watch to see Him return on a cloud. And every eye will see him come again! ... Unless you're blind!

23. Keep in mind 'God's Sun' symbolically represented the light of truth, but was condemned by His enemies who could not endure the light of truth in their life. The ancients taught that the very act of opposing or denying the light of truth to the point of killing it, happened in one's own mind! When we are confronted with the harsh realities of life, the light of truth, which we do not wish to face, and which runs counter to our views, such truth is judged in your mind, or judged "in the temple area" of your brain, and put to death in your head ! Therefore, 'God's Sun - The Truth and The Light - is put to death at "GOLGOTHA" , or "PLACE OF THE SKULL ", located somewhere between your ears! This putting to death of the light of truth in your mind is always accompanied by two thieves: Regret for the past and Fear of the future.

24. And of course God's 'Sun' goes to His death wearing a "corona" - Latin for "Crown of Thorns" . Remember the Statue of Liberty? To this day, Kings still wear a round crown of thorns, symbolising the rays of the Sun!

25. God's 'Sun' brought His wonderful light to the world, and distributed it over 12 months. So it was said, God's 'Sun' had 12 companions, or helpers, that assisted His life-saving work. So it was, God's 'Sun' had 12 apostles (or months) that followed Him religiously through His life. Incidentally, now you know why the American jury system has 12 jurors who help bring the truth to light, with the "Light of Truth".

Starfish Prime said...

26. As far back as we can go into the ancient world, we find that all known cultures had a "Three-in-one" Triune God. The very first trinity was simply the three stages of the life of the Sun.

A) New Born Savior at dawn.

B) Mature, full-grown (The Most High) at 12 (High) noon.

C) Old and dying, at the end of day (going back to The Father).

All three were of course One Divinity - The Sun
three different phases, but one God!
The Trinity is truly a mystery...Like electricity, radio, TV, and jumbo-jets are all a mystery to the un-enlightened mind!

27. The Egyptians knew that the Sun was at its highest point in the sky (at high noon). At that point, one offered prayers to the "Most High" God! To the ancients, the sky was the abode, or heavenly temple, of the "Most High". Therefore, God's 'Sun' was doing His heavenly Father's work of enlightening all in the temple at 12 ...not 12 years old, but 12 noon!

Above: God's Sun/Son trying to bring enlightenment to the dark minds
of the religious leaders.

28. The world of ancient man kept track of times and seasons by the movement of the Sun daily, monthly, and yearly. For this, the sundial and sun calendars were devised. Not only the daily movement of the Sun was tracked on the round dial, but also the whole year was charted on a round Sun calendar dial. Examples: Ancient Mexican, Mayan, Inca, Aztec, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian, Celtic, Aryan, etc. With this method, certain new concepts emerged in the mind of ancient man.

Starfish Prime said...

30. On the round surface of the yearly calendar, you can draw a straight line directly across the middle, cutting the circle in half... one end being the point of the winter solstice; the other end being the point of the summer solstice. Then you can draw another straight line (crossing the first one); one end of the new line being the spring equinox; the other end being the autumn equinox. You now have the starting points for each of the 4 seasons. This is referred to by all major encyclopedias and reference works, both ancient and modern, as "The Cross of the Zodiac". Thus, the life of God's 'Sun' is on "the Cross". This is why we see the round circle of the Sun on the crosses of Christian churches. The next time you pass a Christian church, look for the circle (God's Sun) on the cross.

The Sun, since the first day of summer, has each day been moving southward, and stops when it reaches its lowest point in the Northern Hemispheric sky (December 22nd - our winter solstice).

At this lowest point, the Sun stops its journey southward.
For three days, December 22nd, 23rd , and 24th, the Sun rises on the exact same latitudinal (declination) degree.

This is the only time in the year that the Sun actually stops its movement Northward or Southward in our sky. On the morning of December 25th the Sun moves one degree northward beginning its annual journey back to us in the Northern Hemisphere, ultimately bringing our spring. Anything steadily moving all year long that suddenly stops moving for three days was considered to have died. Therefore, God's Sun who was dead for three days, moves one-degree Northward on December 25th beginning its annual journey back to the Northern Hemisphere. The Sun is symbolically


And to this day, His worshippers still celebrate His BIRTHDAY!.... Merry Christmas.
31. Today we use expressions when someone dies. We say things like, "They Passed", or "They Passed On", or "They Passed Away". The ancients said "They Passed Over" (from one life to another), And so it was with the coming of spring, as God's Sun is "Resurrected" from the Death of Winter to His New Life (in spring). In the ancient world, long before the Hebrews ever existed, the celebration of spring was called "The Pass Over", The Sun, which was dead in winter, has
passed over to His new life in spring. This is the origin of the modern Pass Over celebration. This is why Christians also celebrate "The Resurrection", or His return, in spring with a "Sun Rise service"... He kept His Promise, and has returned to us with the Promise of New Life... "HAPPY EASTER-PASSOVER!"

Starfish Prime said...

I have never seen so much rhetoric and filth from over analysis of the Holy Bible that hath corrupted the minds of good men.

tcob247 said...

I think you've been out in the SUN too long

Starfish Prime said...

tcob: what do you support all this non-sense or are you just arguing just to argue you cretin

Starfish Prime said...

to tcob:

My life has been one long arduous study of religion since graduating Southwestern Theological Seminary in 1988. After the first 7 years of such study I was forced to resign my Pastorate as a Christian Pastor having been thoroughly convinced that I was not teaching the truth concerning the "Jesus Story" nor "the Christ" but only reiterating an aberrant tradition that had strayed so distantly from the truths of the Ancients concerning this "Jewish Messiah" whom was believed to be "the Christ". After reading hundreds of books over those years and studying usually 5 hours a day, year after year, I have come to see without a doubt that all the world's religions, including Christianity, are nothing more than rewritten versions of an older story held dear by the earliest sages and priest of mankind that can be found on this planet; namely, the story of the birth, death, and rebirth of the Sun as it makes it circuit through the sky and the Zodiac once a year.

Please understand that I would not make such a statement unless I could prove it beyond any doubt to the interested reader.

The summary of my studies these past twenty years can be summarized and categorized rather easily in 3 basic classifications which you will see yourself if you undertake similar studies. I found that there are three schools of thought down through history concerning the interpretation of just whom is this "Jesus Christ"!

The Historical Jesus Christ (the presentation of "the Christ" as taught through the medium of a presumed historical person to serve as an example for all mankind to emulate and follow)
The Mythical Jesus Christ (the personification of the Sun as it moves on its prescribed path through the Heavens where we find it moving through each house of the Zodiac which goes hand in hand with the changing seasons of the year [Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Autumn Equinox, Winter Solstice)

The Mystical Jesus Christ (the allegorical expression of a hidden teaching, a secret doctrine, given under strict and exacting conditions to approved candidates by the Ancient Masters of Spiritual Wisdom regarding the descent of the Logos (God) into matter, ie., mankind). Believe it or not we find that Paul speaks of this in the New Testament:

Col 1:27 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (KJV)

On entering now on the study of the life of "the Christ", of the rites of Christianity, its sacraments, it doctrines, it would be disastrous to ignore the facts presented by comparative mythologists and religionists down through history. These facts regarding the identity of "Jesus Christ", rightly understood, hold the "key" to answering the biggest question ever posed to mankind: "Who is Jesus Christ"?

Over the many, many years of my religious studies following Seminary the puzzle pieces slowly came together and the answers to problematic questions came to ease my concern for the "swiss cheese" theology that I was taught there. It was in Seminary that I first discovered that many of the "Jesus Stories" were remarkable parallels with earlier "Sun god" stories from a host of Aryan nations. What I did not know then and what escapes the vast majority of Christianity in today's world is that many of the stories of these "solar gods" and "godmen" down through history which parallel the events in the life of the New Testament "Christ" as found in the New Testament and whichappear at first thought to be apparently historical were really purely allegorical. This is why the stories of Osiris, Horus, Dionysus, Attis, Adonis, Mithra, and a host of others read like the New Testament "Jesus Story". Nowhere, perhaps, is it more necessary to understand this than when we are studying the story of Jesus (called in this website the "Jesus Story"), surnamed "the Christ", for when we fail to separate the allegory from the literal truth, and see where the symbols have been mistakenly taken and believed as "historical events, allegories as histories, we lose most of the instructiveness of the narrative and much of its "Eternal Truth" once given to the Ancient Spiritual Masters by the Creator. Men fear that Christianity will be weakened when one comes to this understanding, and that it is "dangerous" to admit that events thought to be "historical" have a deeper significance in both a "mythical" and "mystic meaning". That simply is not the case but those who advocate not delving into these deeper areas of understanding of "the Christ" keep others from recovering the truths concerning "the Christ" as the Ancients who gave us those concepts understood them and "him" in the first place. Let us not forget that as Egypt taught in the beginning of recorded history mankind was made in the image of God and not God in the image of man! The "halo", or nimbus, surrounding the picture of Jesus above should be a "tip off" that there is much about this "Jesus Christ" that escapes our simple understanding of him as presented by the typical "historical" understanding of him handed down in Roman Christianity today. Inquiring minds should want to know:

"Who really is this Jesus Christ of the New Testament and why can the chronological events of his life as written and recorded in the New Testament be shown to be a perfect parallel to the allegorical understanding of the path of the Sun through the houses of the Zodiac as well as the Equinoxes and Solstices as taught by the Ancients"?

Bet Emet Ministries has presented over the last several years the collective research and data gathered from our scholarly study of "the Christ" and have presented this presentation in various websites on the Internet. But this presentation of the "Mythical Jesus Christ" is the most explosive revelation concerning "Jesus Christ" yet to date.

It is not my desire to harm anyone or their "faith" but truth should matter to you and me; especially if we love God and desire to know as much about Him in our lives today. Much of what we at Bet Emet Ministries share with our readership will be new information to the vast majority of our readers mainly because Roman Christianity has chosen not to teach these truths and to a large extent down through history suppressed them. Just because you have never heard of some of what we write does not mean it is not true; it only means you have not seen it yet in your corner church house.

Prov 3:3-4 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: 4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. (KJV)

Prov 23:23 23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. (KJV)

What passages! Truth is not free today; it costs you sometime. First of all it costs you time and energy where you invest your life to confirm what you read from Bet Emet to be the "ultimate truth". We have done our homework for over 20 years well and unto the Lord. It is our gift to all mankind because of our love for God and all His children; many of which never dreamed like I once before I began serious study into my faith that I could have believed "lies" given me by Rome instead of "truth" in my relationship with God and His "Christ".

Prov 12:17 17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit. (KJV)

Let me warn you that as we study that you will see that we can approach the "Jesus Story" from a "LITERAL" perspective and draw from it patterns of conduct and behavior to be followed by all of mankind, and we have done just that; in fact that is where we started with our presentation of a "Jesus Christ" from a literal perspective in our ministry's earlier websites hoping to expose the "dejudiazation" of this "Jesus Christ" by Rome on the pages of the New Testament. In so doing we tried to expose how Rome replaced the concept of the Jewish Messiah with one of their own making as well as show how the Laws and Commandments of God are in effect today and are the very building blocks of our Covenants with God. A few years later I was able to construct and present a deeper understanding of "the Christ" and we were able to present the"Mystical Jesus Christ" whereby we showed how the earliest Christians (actually called Chrestians and not Christians in the beginning) and the First New Testament from Marcion, which Rome would later corrupt and destroy, understood "the Christ" as a Divine Allegory of a Divine Concept inherent within all of mankind and not exclusive to just one person. That is why this First New Testament of these earliest Gnostic "Christian/Chrestian" believer did not teach a "fleshly" or a "historical Jesus Christ". That is why the seven authentic epistles of Paul never taught a "fleshly Jesus" but only in the later forgeries do we find such ideas. This Roman Second New Testament was the production of a radical reinterpretation of the earlier concept of "the Christ" as held by the earliest Gnostic Christians as handed down by the Ancient Spiritual Masters as far back as Egypt. This Roman Second New Testament was also a reinterpretation of "the Christ" from what both Jewish and Gentile Gnostics believed about "the Christ" in the first century.

The Gnostic First New Testament, which today can be reconstructed by the study of the attacks of the early Church Fathers on Marcion and these Gnostic Chrestians, goes a long way in helping today's student see just what was believed about this "Christ" in the first century before the rise of Roman Christianity and the production of their Second New Testament. Understand your studies will show what I discovered; namely that this earlier and Ancient understanding of "the Christ" (both Mystical and Mythical) which we identify in this website as the "Gnostic" understanding of "the Christ" will be lost to the world by the fifth century and forced "underground" by Roman Christianity and their military might. These earlier Gnostic Spiritual Masters will be almost persecuted out of existence by Rome and the "Divine Allegory of the Christ Within" will be later "literalized" by Rome in their Second New Testament. Lost to the world will be the earliest understanding of "the Jesus Christ" as known since the beginning of recorded time. This is where most of Christianity exists today believing in a "Literalized Jesus Christ" which has been presented as a historical person when the deeper truths of the "Christ Within" are seldom heard and that goes double for the "Mythical Christ".

Now we come to the most explosive presentation of "Jesus Christ" yet to date: The Mythical Jesus Christ.

Answer for yourself: Yes, I said it correctly. We speak of the "Mythical Jesus Christ" but don't think for a moment that there is not behind these "spiritual concepts" hidden and deeper truths that reveal our God like never before. God again is not a man and we need to get that straight in spite of what the Roman council at Nicea might say in the early 4th century.

Our focus on the "Mythical Christ" will take us back to the beginning of recorded history. In fact we go beyond recorded time to the oral traditions of pre-dynastic Egypt where they saw God and His message to all mankind in the Sky and Heavens. I call it today "Theology in the Stars". It is a known historical fact that Rome did burn the many libraries of the world to cover up their lies and falsification of "the Jesus Christ" but no man or no false religion can burn the stars above our heads or forge the sky as they do books like Rome's Second New Testament. God still writes on the blackboard of the nights His Divine Message to us. Sadly few of us know it is even there or how to read and interpret it. Truly you need "keys" to understand what God is saying on the Night's Blackboard and His Heavens and I will give them to you in this website if you so desire to study along with us. If you continue on this website be advised that what you will learn about "Jesus Christ" will be the most starling and upsetting information you may have ever heard yet to date but I cannot help that. I can only say you will survive it as I did when I so desired the truth that I would not stop my quest for God and His ultimate truth because it "went against what my church had taught me". Let us remember as demonstrated on so many of our other websites that we as Christians and followers of "the Christ" have a spiritual book given us by Rome that is "forged" in key places which hides these deeper truths from us. It is well past time we get new "keys" to understand our Creator and His true message to us. We in our studies will go to the very origin of what later becomes the whole of the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament, from start to finish and in-between, and we will show you that without a doubt that the whole of the "Jesus Story" and the major events in it comes from Ancient allegories told about the Sun and is path through the sky, the Heavens, and its path through the Zodiac once a year as it moves through the Spring Equinox, the Summer Solstice, the Autumn Equinox, and the Winter Solstice. It is in these movements of the Sun you will see as I did the exact "chronological story" of "Jesus Christ" as recorded in the New Testament.

This statement will be backed up with copious presentations of astronomy and astrology which proves beyond any doubt that the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament is a parody and takeoff of the path of the Sun through the Heavens. These facts about the Mythical Jesus Christ, and I mean facts, undeniable facts, address so many problems that exist today concerning Jesus Christ as depicted in the New Testament and settle all debates about him once and for all!!! Once you see these facts for yourself then you will understand why there exists no unforged evidence for the existence of a "Historical Jesus Christ" in history outside of this one book that Rome gave the world in their presentation of a "Literal Jesus Christ". These facts about the Mythical Jesus Christ will explain why the exploits of Jesus in the New Testament are but a recopying of the ancient lives of the Sungods and the Sungodmen. These facts about the Mythical Jesus Christ will explain why all Sungods had a death on a cross and a resurrection 3 days later and it only begins there. These facts concerning a Mythical Jesus Christ will explain why the Jewish sages and Rabbis down through history cannot accept the Christian Jesus Christ as their Messiah. In fact all questions about "Jesus Christ" will have been answered for all time. Then we can focus on the Creator God, as we should have been all along, having dealt thoroughly with this "Jesus Christ" for the last time.

But again the good news is that in such a study you will see God and His true message for all mankind; not as we have it today from Rome where it is altered and adulterated almost beyond recognition in our New Testaments. The Ancients knew this God like few nations today every hope to and they recorded their knowledge and in spite of Rome's purge of the world's libraries has surfaced today with the aid of archeology and it lays before us if we only desire to look. We truly live in a blessed age where such Divine Truths have been restored to all of mankind and the hope of a renewed brotherhood of man that moves beyond traditional religious walls lays at our grasp. For you see God and His message to all mankind is the same regardless of man's religious camps.

Words escape we when the magnitude of what I have discovered and what I will present to the reader rushes to the forefront of my mind. I am yet overwhelmed by what I have uncovered and have seen in my studies of the "Mystical" and "Mythical Christ". But understand that you, if reared a Christian, will need all the courage and fortitude you can muster to work through this website for it will touch all of your emotions and challenge the typical Christian to his utmost being and at times leave you breathless. But your final destination is "TRUTH" and let nothing in your life stop you from reaching this destination for God has never lied to us and never gave us a falsehood as large as the "Literal Jesus Story" which Rome has done and which we have been fed to us in the Western Hemisphere our whole lives. We embark to such a destination of undeniable truth right now.

In order to recover such truths regarding the question posed at the beginning of this article then 3 areas of study will be necessary. It is to these areas of study we now turn in order to see what we have to thoroughly consult to ever hope to arrive at the answer to the question posed at the beginning of this article "Whom is Jesus Christ" and resounds in the New Testament in Mark 8:27:

27 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? (KJV)

This will be a long and challenging study but before we begin I want to give inform the student and reader of what will be required of them if they every hope to come to terms with the "Jesus Puzzle" or the "Jesus Story" as I call it. This is a complicated weaving of different strands of theology mixed together over thousands of years and to make sense of it today, especially with our Western mindset, is no easy task and nigh impossible if we don't possess adequate knowledge and "keys" for proper interpretation of the "Jesus Story". After we "get our feet wet" by reading the article on the "4 areas of study necessary to understand correct 'Jesus Christ'" we will proceed to the meat of this study.

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We ended the last article by stating that in order to recover the truths regarding the question "Whom is Jesus Christ" then 4 areas of study will be necessary. It is to these areas of study we now turn in order to determine whom this "Jesus Christ" of the New Testament really is and how he was understood by the Ancients and writers of the New Testament. These 4 areas of study are:

The Analysis Of History In Relationship To The Documentation Of The Historical Jesus

The Analysis Of Gnosticism

The Analysis Of Comparative Religion

The Analysis Of Solar Mythology

I will deal with these "areas" of study in more detail later but this is but a short introduction for what lies ahead. This article will help begin to open our eyes to what lies behind the "Jesus Story" but mind you this is but a short introduction to the more in-depth studies that come later. You might say we are just getting "or feet wet".

We begin with the recorded history surrounding Jesus Christ in the first century, or should I say the "lack of it" along with examination of the text of the New Testament.

Troubling most for me during my years of study was the fact that there isn't a single "unforged" reference to Jesus Christ anywhere in recorded history for the time he supposedly lived. The few references which some say allude to him are, according to modern scholarship, forged or manufactured long after the original writing in question in order to bolster support for the existence of a "historical Jesus" in the face of accusations to the contrary by Christian detractors. What should be inconceivable to a "thinking believer" is that during the alleged time of Jesus not one writer, either Jewish or Gentile, bothered to write down anything about this most extraordinary person and presumed Messiah. Many people alive at that time wrote extensively about everything that happened for it was a very troublesome time in the Middle East, and yet there is not a single reference to Jesus anywhere in all this wealth of first hand accounts. This strange silence on Jesus Christ which pervades almost a century of Christian correspondence cries out for explanation. Modern scholarship to day will tell us that all references to Jesus Christ outside of this "one" book given to the world by Rome are either forged, fabricated, or purely invented in order to place this "Jesus Christ" into a historical time-line of Rome's choosing. Of course they chose the Messianic time-line of the Jews but ironically the Jews tell us today that their expected Messiah never appeared and never fulfilled the expected Jewish and Hebrew prophecies in their Hebrew Scriptures.

If one does some serious study and examines when the New Testament of Rome was truly written they discover that the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John; the four books detailing the life of Jesus) are not referenced in any writings by any Christian writer or Church Father until the later half of the second century, a full 140 years after the "Christ Event" supposedly happened. You need to let that register. Not one reference to any of these 4 Gospels by name can be found in any Christian writer until after 180 A.D.

Answer for yourself: Would you stop for a second and ask yourself how that can be since harsh debates with the Jews and the emerging Roman Christianity were ongoing during these years.

But Rome will have their own dates to authenticate their "tradition". Even the Catholic Church admits a date of 70 A.D. for the earliest Gospel, a full 40 years after the alleged event. Some Bible Scholars accept this tradition but other more trustworthy Modern Scholars who possess the knowledge claim the Gospels were written in 170 A.D. mainly because there is no reference to them by anyone, Christian or non-Christian, prior to that time, especially by certain people who definitely would have included references to them had they existed. Justin Martyr, the first "Apologist" mentions no Gospel in his prolific writings in 150 A.D. in his debates with the Jews. This is where our inquiry has to begin and this will be addressed as we make our way through this website.

Next we must look into comparative religion. We already have addressed this in detail on prior websites by this ministry. But a few comments are necessary.

Gnosticism flourished in Egypt and Western Asia between 250 B.C. and AD. 400. It was a Theosophic movement made up of elements of Egyptian mythology, Indian metaphysics, Judaism, and Greek philosophy. Gnosticism was overwhelmed by Christianity in the fourth century, AD., but some of the lost Gnostic literature has been recovered, and I shall briefly consider it. The ancient Gnostics were those who "knew", just as the modern Agnostics are those who "do not know". Gnostics believed in a Supreme God who was both unknown and unknowable. This unknown god was not the creator of the world; this task was delegated to lesser gods, who were emanations of this Supreme God. Egypt called this the "many in the One". These subordinate gods or emanations (attributes) from the One true God, who created and governed the world, were called "Aeons". Among the Aeons were:

The Logos (The Word, Christ [masculine])
Sophia (Wisdom [feminine])
Nous (Mind)
Phronesis (Judgment)
Dynamis (Power)
What I uncovered in my studies is that all of the above are but attributes of the One Supreme God, yet they exist separately but yet are interrelated. The Supreme God and the Aeons altogether formed the Pleroma (Fullness of the Godhead).

Col 1:19 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell; (KJV)

Col 2:8-9 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (KJV)

In the Gospel of St. John, the Logos, or Word, is identified with "the Christ" which to these earliest writers was not a "historical fleshly person" but a manifestation of God existing in the metaphysical realm. The Gnostic influence among the primitive Christians was very strong. St. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, was Gnostic. As Rhys has observed: It will be noticed that generally speaking the earlier Epistles show signs of Gnostic influence, while the later show signs of anti-Gnostic bias. In the earlier epistles long before Rome's later forgery of the First New Testament, "the Christ" is spoken of as a spiritual being who has always existed. . . . This Christ spirit was in Paul himself, just as it had been in Jesus: "Christ liveth in me." (Galatians 2:20) (Rhys, Shaken Creeds, p. 39.) A later Christian Gnostic, Manes (216-275), formed a sect known as the Manichaeans. The Manichaeans according to Rhys, "believed that Jesus descended from heaven in the form of a man about thirty years of age. His body was illusory, as he was in reality a purely spiritual being; and in the same way the dove (Holy Spirit) which descended upon him, or rather into him, at his baptism was also an illusion." This explains why Paul never concerns himself with a "fleshly Jesus" or mentions hardly any teachings associated with the later traditions of "Jesus of Nazareth". Paul's Christ was not a human being; that is until Rome makes it look that way by later forgeries of anti-Gnostic writings to which they attach Paul's name thereby giving these anti-Gnostic forgeries immediate "authority".

Manes, the founder of this sect called Manichaeans, described the Virgin Birth story as a fable which had grown up around the imaginary figure of this pre-existing spirit Jesus, and drew attention to the fact that no first-hand witness gave evidence to its occurrence. (Rhys, Shaken Creeds, p. 173.) A later form of Manichaean Gnosticism was established in the late sixth century of Mazdak, who combined his religious doctrine with socialism: Mazdakism is mentioned in Chapter XLI of Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and Professor J. B. Bury appended the following note on this esoteric cult: Its religious character distinguished Mazdakism from all modern socialistic theories. His doctrines were embraced by the ancient Gnostics and Mazdak was enrolled by them with Thoth, Saturn, Zoroaster, Pythagoras, Epicurus, John and Christ as teachers of the true Gnostic doctrines (Gibbon, History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, ed. by Oliphant Smeaton, Vol. II, Modern Library Two-Volume Edition, pp. 255-256).

If you wish to do your own study into this most important area of study of the earliest understandings of "the allegorical or Gnostic Christ" then I recommend to the readers that you consider:

Gnosticism, Judaism, and Egyptian Christianity by Birger Pearson
Fragments of a Faith Forgotten by G. R. S. Mead
Pistis Sophia, A Gnostic Gospel by G. R. S. Mead
Did Jesus Live 100 B. C.?, by G. R. S. Mead,
Thrice Greatest Hermes by G. R. S. Mead,
Shadow of the Third Century, Dr. Alvin Boyd Kuhn,
Early Christian Heresies by Joan O'Grady
The True Origins of Christianity and the Bible by Andrew Benson
The Beginning Of Christianity by Andrew Welburn
The Historical Jesus And The Mythical Christ by Gerald Massey
Jung And The Lost Gospels by Stephan Hoeller
Gnosticism: New Light On The Ancient Tradition by Stephan Hoeller
Gnosis: The Nature & History Of Gnosticism by Kurt Rudolph
The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels
The Gnostic Paul by Elaine Pagels
The Gnostic Scriptures by Bentley Layton

I discovered in all of my studies over these years that after the Roman Emperor Constantine made the Christian religion the State religion of the empire the remaining Gnostics were persecuted out of existence and their literature was destroyed. How and why Gnosticism was destroyed by organized Christianity is, as a rule, glossed over in history textbooks. One American scholar has penned an accurate and colorful account of these episodes. I ask the reader to read the following slowly and gleam the truths from it that I have found reiterated consistently throughout my studies by many infallible proofs:

"Preceding Christianity there was a school of science and philosophy which had accumulated practically all the wisdom and knowledge understandable to mankind. The object was to broadly educate the masses of the people by a unit system which would give to humanity a wisdom in common. This was the most potential period in human intellectual advancement the world has known. This school was called Gnosticism. Gnosis means to know - knowledge. Christianity means to believe - ignorance. These are the two schools; the one advocating the universal education of men, the other the universal ignorance of men. The one desired to develop the unit man, the other desired to suppress the unit and level all mankind to a common plastic mass. To accomplish this necessitated the suppressing of all extant knowledge; the closing of all the avenues through which people might acquire independent learning, education and intellectual training, and the debasement of humanity in abject ignorance The school which pitted itself against Gnosticism assumed the name Ecclesia. This name at once identified the purpose for which the organization was created to seize control of government, that it might exploit mankind for profit, and for its own glorification. Temporal power was the church goal. The name Ecclesia was derived from the Greek, and signified the legislative body which governed ancient Athens long before Christianity was invented. The first essential act of the Ecciesiasts was to suppress Gnosticism, and confiscate its vast accumulation of wisdom and knowledge, in order to control the education of future generations in a manner to adjust mankind to its purposes. Therefore the Gnostic wisdom was not wholly lost to the world but its great, universal educational system was supplanted and displaced. It is a well-established historical fact, not denied by the church that it required about 500 years to accomplish this submersion of Gnosticism, and to degrade the new generations in ignorance equal to the state of imbecility. History again points its accusing finger at the living evidence. The horrible results of such a crime against nature and mankind are pictured in the Dark Ages .. . Not even priests or prelates were permitted to learn to read or write. Even bishops could barely spell out their Latin. During this period of mental darkness, the ignorant masses were trained in intolerance, bigotry, fanaticism, and superstitious fear of an invisible power secretly controlled by the church; all of which begat a state of hysteria and imbecility. Through this terrorism popes seized control of the temporal power, retaining this control for nearly 500 years. They appointed and deposed kings at will, hence they dictated legislation to their ends and purposes - the very essence of government . . . This process of legislating evil into mankind is to vindicate that damnable doctrine of original sin, which slanders nature and insults all mankind . . . Originally the motive was to confiscate the intellects of man, but the modern policy is much more concerned in confiscating their personal rights and property. Here is the other aspect of the suppression of Gnosticism. Its method of teaching was an understandable symbolism. It specifically recognized nature as the great teacher, and visible things as the traditional records of past events, in progressive evolution from the lowest state to the highest, with thinking, reasoning man as the highest evoluted being. Man did not fall, he was raised up by a natural promotion. Hence every man was a Gnostic to the extent of his accumulated knowledge and understanding. Thus each unit man became a teacher, and all men were given equal rights in the acquirement of knowledge. It was wholly an educational system, and a natural consequence in evolution. The Ecciesiasts, the Roman church, being thoroughly familiar with the Gnostic wisdom concerning astronomy, chemistry, and mathematics, as demonstrated by the splendid systems of Babylon, Egypt and Assyria, conceived the idea of developing a religio-political form of universal government, to control and exploit the future generations of people upon the earth through living, personified agents of the imaginary heavenly powers. . . to monopolize such a divine power as that contemplated it was necessary to personify nature, using the Gnostic system of symbolisms, and to give to these wholly imaginary beings names and functions. The Gnostic system had to be confiscated, and Gnosticism suppressed, to prevent exposure. This is why Christianity is so viciously antagonistic towards science and philosophy (Thomas Sawyer Spivey, . The Last of The Gnostic Masters, Beverly Hills, California: Published by the author, 1926, pp. 544-551.)

Let me say in closing this part of the article that once I obtained a through understanding of Ancient Gnosticism I could see the terrible and horrific transformation of their earlier and simpler Ancient truths as presented through the hands of Rome today that line the pages of our New Testaments. Not only would Rome burn the libraries of the world for hundreds of years to eradicate this prior knowledge of the Divine as understood since the beginning of time on this planet but would be responsible for the tragic reinterpretation of all things "Gnostic" and in so doing present the world with a counterfeit religion in the name of a "historical Jesus" which up to that time has been treasured and believed by the Ancient Egyptians on down through every successive nation as the "Christ Within" which was of a Mystical Nature and not possessing "flesh" of any sort. Paul and his authentic 7 epistles taught it correctly:

Col 1:27 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (KJV)

Gal 4:19 19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, (KJV)

Paul and the earliest Christians, which I found upon my intense studies and the reading of the best of the books on these issues that exist today, knew no "Historical Jesus" and had no belief in a "fleshly Jesus of Nazareth". I discovered that only later with Rome's falsification and forgery of the earlier existing Gnostic New Testament presented by Marcion will the "Mystical Christ Within" and the "Gnostic Christ" be given "flesh" and in so doing be able now to be fit into a historical time-line of Rome's choosing. Our websites deal with this issue in detail. The more I studied the more my "Historical Jesus" began to vanish into the background of Rome's lies and deceptions and alterations of "the faith once given to the Saints which was definitely as I was finding more "Mystical" than "literal-historical". I have studied these areas and allied areas of study in detail along with Egyptian studies as they are related for over the last 6 years and the more that I study the more I see that this view of the Ancients Egyptian "Karast/Christ" is accurate to the earliest wisdom of the Ancients. My turmoil at discovering uneasy things concerning my Jesus finally turned into harmony and peace the more I found these Ancient Truths for myself and saw God as the earliest Ancients understood Him and these earliest Ancient Divine Truths which were captured for all Eternity through the medium of allegory and myths. Finally I found the peace and truth behind the "Jesus Story" but there were other problems that yet needed my attention if I were to cover all my bases in getting to the bottom of the "Jesus Story". I had yet to deal with the realm of Comparative Religion to the degree necessary as well as Mythology. That was next on the agenda.


Following graduation from Seminary more study into the "Jewish Jesus" and "the Christ" only disconcerted me more. It was in such studies that I found myself up to my neck in reasons why the Jewish rabbis did not believe in my "Christian Jesus". Well at that time I was not going to "accept" their denial as "the ultimate truth" for I had been conditioned to believe the "Jews were blinded" to "the Christ". But in being an "apologist" myself as a Christian Pastor in a mega church in Dallas and trying to disprove these "Jewish" arguments against my "Jesus" I encountered book after book that began to open my eyes to what had happened over the Dark Ages by Rome and how they had altered the earliest understandings of "the Christ".In fact I found over time that the concept of "Jesus Christ" originated in Egypt no less. It was when reading many books on Comparative Religion that I uncovered and saw for myself the hard fact that the "Jesus Story", from beginning to end, had existed thousands of years prior to the alleged time of Jesus; in fact it began in Ancient Egypt thousands and thousands of years ago. If one looks into such study he finds that many other religions have identical stories of a crucified savior who was resurrected and ascended 3 days following their deaths; and it only begins there. I was to find over time as I studied Astronomy and Egyptian religion that the whole of the "Jesus Story" from beginning to end in the Gospel was "written in the stars".

The fruit of my studies in comparative religion as I contrasted it with the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament showed plainly that the exact same story and the various accounts and events in the "Jesus Story" already existed in numerous religions prior to the alleged time of Jesus dating thousands of years earlier. This I came to understand because other nations, not only being influenced by Egypt, but seeing these same events in the Sky and Heavens, used similar allegory to express what they saw and understood was God "speaking to them". I was overwhelmed when I discovered that the accounts of Chrishna, Horus, Orpheus, Bacchus, Osiris, Dionysus, Buddha, Apollo, Hercules, Adonis, Ormuzd, Mithras, Indra, Œdipus, Quetzalcoatle, etc., all read like the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament. But my fear upon seeing such things in my studies would turn to "joy" as I continued to study and see for myself how these Ancient Spiritual Masters expressed what they saw in the Sky and the Heavens in "allegories" which were to be understood not in a "literal" sense but in a way that revealed deeper truths about God and His message to all mankind. It is these "allegories" and deeper truths which are lost to us today because Rome would later discount and reinterpret these Ancient "truths" as if "literal" and in so doing mankind lost the truth about the "Mystical Christ" and the "Mythical Christ" which mankind had understood since the beginning of time.

My studies would show me that other than the names being changed in each nation's recital of this "Mystical and Mythical Christ" the ancient story read the same from nation to nation. The motif of a Crucified Savior was already existent thousands of years prior to the alleged time of a "Historical Jesus". When reading comparative religions I found that they basically all had virgin births, were visited by wise men and shepherds, were given the same 3 gifts, had to flee a king which desired to kill the new born infant, was tempted by a devil, turned water into wine, raised the dead, walked on water, had transfigurations and shinned brightly, had 12 dedicated disciples, were betrayed by 30 pieces of silver, were pieced, had a twin for a disciple, were wounded in the house of their friends, were crucified between two thieves, had darkness at their deaths, was dead for 3 days, raised from the dead after 3 days and ascended, was expected to return, etc. The story was the same. Even a blind man could see that there is a common story here or a common mythology that ties all these stories of these sungods together with the Christian's "Jesus Story". The more I read about the "Jesus Story" and saw its origin as far back as Egypt then I seriously had to doubt the "Jesus Story" of the New Testament being a divine and unique revelation as presented by Rome as they cast it in a "literal" motif. The more I studied it appeared as if my "Jesus Story" was a historical fraud. I began to wonder where I could find any truth concerning this supposed "Jesus Christ" of history the more I studied comparative religions as well as the texts of the New Testament which are replete with forgeries when compared with the Hebrew Scriptures. What is even more startling is that Early Christian apologists admitted this themselves in their writings when confronted by those by Celsus and many others who exposed such Christian plagiarism in the first and early centuries and believe it or not Christianity's only answer is that they tried to explain this all away by saying that this plagiarism and "replay of the lives of the Solar gods in their Jesus Story" was the work of the Devil. This is laughable and their detractors thought the same as well.

Now hold on. The Bishop of Carthage, Tertullian, says that Christians were considered as sun worshippers because they prayed towards the east just like their pagan counterparts who also worshipped the sun. Tertullian goes on to say, “You say we worship the sun; so do you.” (Catholic Encyclopedia, xiv, 525; Ad. Nationes, xiii; Ante-Nicene Father. iii, 123). Here we have the testimony of a highly esteemed Christian Early Church Father who admits to this plagiarism.

Answer for yourself: How much do you know about Tertullian?

Tertullian went on to renounce Christianity and admitted that he was in error in accepting the "Christian interpretation of 'the Christ'".

When challenged by their opponents the Christian's general argument was, "What better way to for the Devil to combat our True Religion than for the Devil to have previously created a whole bunch of false religions identical to our True Religion." I don't know how gullible you have to be to believe such a thing but they had not another course of action when called out; they were exposed as copy cats and they knew it! It is we who don't today!

I had to know how this "Jesus Story" had begun in the beginning and where it had come from. Desiring to know how the "Jesus Story" began I began to trace the "Jesus Story" backwards down through history. Over time I would find that all roads led to Egypt. Chronologically other nations down through history inherited the Egyptian wisdom where they adopted these "doctrines" and that explains why the events were the same but only the names of the characters were different in the various "Jesus Stories" down through history. In such study I ran into the revelation that the whole "Jesus Story", as well as the stories of all the other crucified saviors and godmen prior to Jesus, were nothing more than an allegory of the Sun's annual journey through the Zodiac and the transit of the Sun and stars through the 4 seasons of the year (the Spring equinox, the Summer solstice, the Autumn equinox, and the Winter solstice). I quickly realized that this one solar event, the path of the Sun through the Heavens, repeated and observed by mankind year after year, for thousands of years, recorded and chronicled by all nations for thousands and thousands of years, explains why all these stories of the sungods and Jesus are essentially the same. The allegory of the personified Sun in its path through the sky was the original precursor to the "Jesus Story" in my New Testament.

I quickly came to realize that the parallels of the Ancient legends and myths (as told by the Ancients of the personified Sun in it annual path as it travels through the Zodiac) with the "Jesus Story" are so numerous that it is impossible to explain them away as just a coincidence. During the course of such study I was so overwhelmed by what I saw at first I could not believe what I was encountering; in fact I began a simultaneous study of Astronomy and Astrology in order to see for myself the "Jesus Story" in the sky. The fruit of such study was the personal accumulation of mounds of data that showed without a doubt that the "Jesus Story" in the New Testament is nothing more than Rome's plagiarism of the personification of Sun and its path through the sky. Never had I dreamed when in Seminary that my studies would ever lead into such areas as Comparative Religions and Solar Mythology but pursuing such studies in these areas proved beyond any doubt that the "Jesus Story" is just an allegory for the sun passing through the Zodiac and the passage of the seasons of the year. This common origin, the personification of the Sun by nation after nation, explains why all the stories of crucified saviors are essentially the same as the "Jesus Story" of the New Testament.

As a "retired Pastor", and moved by what my studies revealed, I feel moved to share this information and evidence from such studies with those interested in the truth behind the origin for "Jesus Story" which is taught to the world today as a historical reality when in fact it is not. In the website that follows such evidence will be presented to the reader in hopes that the missing puzzle pieces concerning the "Jesus Story" will be plainly evident to him and he can, in the light of such knowledge, no longer be deceived by the astrological allegory of "the Christ" as found in the New Testament which is erroneously taught "literally" today. I make very few promises to our readers but I make this one now:

If you do these studies, and read these articles on this website then you will be thoroughly convinced as I was that the "Jesus Story" was never meant to be understood "literally" as it has been taught to you and me.
Thus the worship of Jesus or connecting him with God or believing him God is the grossest idolatry according to Moses and the Ten Commandments and a terrible affront to the Creator.

When all the evidence is amassed from History, Comparative religion, and Solar mythology and compared with the accounts of New Testament and its "Jesus Story" then any thinking believer will be convinced that the depiction of Jesus Christ as found in the New Testament is not the Jewish Messiah and not even a real historical person. He is just a myth. But?

There is one thing I have found that cannot be denied from my studies of Egypt and Egyptian Religion; namely, that myths and legends are vehicles for truth and often Divine Truths from the Creator. The Ancient sages and priest immortalized these Divine Truth by the agency of myth to ensure their eternity and immorality and they yet live today thousands of years later. These myths, legends, and stores told that captured these Divine Truths might not be "real" but that does not mean that the Divine Truths held within these myths are not "real". Although the "Osiris Story" might not be real that does not mean that it is not chocked full of Divine Truths recognized by the Ancient Magi, sages, and priests of Egypt. The same applies to the "Jesus Story" (in places)!

Now for some really good news for all Christians. Although the "Jesus Story" might be not a historical truth that does not mean we cannot, once understanding that is is but an allegory that was later "literalized", look within it for God's Divine Truth to us for when you do you will find that such Divine Truths rest within it as well. It is important to understand that we find "truth" often in myths and legends for no myth exists that has not a seed of truth within it.

What I also uncovered when getting to the bottom of the origin of the "Jesus Story" is that the New Testament Jesus can be understood in many different ways and in so doing yet communicate Divine Truth to the reader. As stated above we basically have 3 different ways to understand "Jesus Christ" as I and others see it:

Historically...(myth taught through the medium of a presumed historical person to serve as an example to be emulated by all mankind)
Mythically...(personification of the Sun and its path through the Zodiac and the 4 seasons of the year)
Mystically...(expressing a hidden teaching, a secret doctrine, given under strict and exacting conditions to approved candidates by the Masters of Wisdom regarding the descent of the Logos into matter, ie., mankind). Paul speaks of this:
Col 1:27 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: (KJV)

It goes without saying that we all begin to read and study the Bible from a "literal" perspective assuming that it is the vehicle for "literal truth" about Jesus Christ, never realizing that often these stories were written to be understood as allegories by the original writers and their later "copyists".

I now random study of Bet Emet Websites can be "confusing"; that is why we caution readers to "study in order"! Bet Emet Ministries began several years ago to present websites dealing with Christianity which adopted this "Literal Interpretation" of Jesus in the "Jesus Story" since the "literal" approach toward Jesus in the New Testament is taught today by almost all of Christianity as they assume that Jesus Christ was a historical person. We all grow up in the Western Hemisphere assuming that the "Jesus Story" is a historical reality; that is until we do the serious study of our faith required to get to the bottom of the "Jesus Story" and the religious synthesis within it. Many of our websites, especially the early ones from years ago, begin by approaching the "Jesus Story" from the historical-grammatical method of interpretation because this is how we grow up and first get acquainted with the "Jesus Story". This works well up to a point because in doing so we are presented with a "Godly" example of a life to emulated as found in the Jesus of the New Testament (for the most part). A life patterned after the Jesus of the "Jesus Story" will hopefully issue forth in one bearing the fruit of morality and ethics and one lived in the Fruit of the Spirit. This is the reason why Israel does not evangelize today because Christianity has accomplished for them their task as God's Priesthood. The non-Jew has learned of the God of Israel and has learned how to live in peace and harmony through the teachings of Christianity. Sadly in all of this the main character, "the Christ" has been so badly misrepresented. In such a way then Jesus is our "pattern" for he, real or not, is the only Jew to ever witness to us and came knocking on our door. As I say often it is sad that when we answered the door of our lives we did not possess, at that time, enough knowledge that we could not recognize that this Jew named Jesus, as God's "light to the Gentile world", came dressed like the idolator Constantine teaching a replacement religion. We bought into the Roman counterfeit and no wonder the Jews cannot accept our Roman Jesus. But hopefully as your studies mature you begin to see that there are other ways to understand the "Jesus Story". That is the great news I bring!

A few years later, as time allowed, we at Bet Emet provided a website dealing with the Mystical Interpretation of the "Jesus Story" and "the Christ" as we showed that was the religious belief of the earliest "believers" who were called the first "Christians" or "Chrestians", long before Rome emerged to dominate the Christian faith, did not accept a historical Jesus at all but rather understood "the Christ" as a Divine Concept that lives within every man and woman and is not exclusive to just one person as is portrayed today

So 2/3 of our quest to restore to the world the hidden truths behind "the Christ" has been realized. We have one to go. It has been a hard and long process for me to accomplish but my task is about through when I complete this last website on the "Mythical Jesus Christ" as seen in the stars.

Now it is time to devote a website to the comprehensive understanding of the "Mythical Christ". In so doing we will prove that the "Jesus Story" is actually an allegory for the path of the Sun "personified" as it travels through the 12 Houses of the Zodiac & through the 4 seasons of the years (the Spring Equinox, the Summer Solstice, the Autumn Equinox, and the Winter Solstice). You will come to see that this is the oldest and most important story mankind has ever known as it is full of Divine and Spiritual Truths that are to be understood "allegorically" and not "literally" as we have erroneously been taught today by a literalized Christianity of Rome's making.

A good teacher makes his students "think"; think thoughts that they have never thought before in their whole lives. This short introduction is intended to do just that; to get us to recognize and begin to notice what up to now has gone unnoticed by the vast majority of Christians. This short introduction is intended to get our feet wet and prepare us for a deeper look into these issues which lies just around the corner. But let us think and begin our preparation for what comes next by expanding our horizons by considering the following.

For most Christians , a "Christian astrology" or a Christian astronomy" cannot exist; the very idea is a contradiction in terms (oxymoron is the fashionable word). But you might be surprised by what you find if you look hard at Egypt and other nations that had the "Jesus Story" thousands of years before the supposed historical Jesus was supposed to have lived.

It was during my studies in recovering the Jewish Roots of my Christian faith as a Pastor and ex-Seminary graduate that I first ran into this concept and wanting to be apologetic for my faith I entered into such a study to prove my Christian faith correct in the face of such challenges. A year later I had cried rivers of tears and had a broken heart over what I uncovered. I was almost 45 years old and this knowledge had completely escaped me while even going to Seminary no less. This fact, that Christianity is a parody on the Sun and its path through the Zodiac, once proven beyond any doubt, absolutely devastated me during my years of study following Seminary and during the years of my Pastorate. I would finally resign my Pastorship at a large mega church in Dallas having proven to myself that I was preaching a false "Christ". I am indebted to Seminary however for it was there I was equipped with the necessary knowledge and tools to do such religious studies and researches necessary to find these truths and do them well. Unlike most of the graduates there I left Seminary and entered into my pastorate while yet consumed with my studies. No time on the golf course for me.

Answer for yourself: But since Christianity begins with signs in the heavens and the visit of Wise Men or Magi (literally, astrologers-astronomers) to the Christ child then should this statement not tell us that something is amiss and we have not had a proper understanding concerning the Bible, Astronomy, and possibly Astrology as taught us by Christianity today? Has it ever dawned upon you yet that to investigate the link between the stars and the "Jesus Story"? It took me several years with all of my studies but I finally got there. I firmly believe the study of Jewish Roots of Christianity, if done correctly, will take you to Egypt where you find the first "Karast/Christ" from which all others originate.

Matt 2:1-10 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. 5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. 7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. 9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. (KJV)

Answer for yourself: Who were these Magi and why would they be seeking a presumed Jewish messiah of all things? These Magi were not Jewish for they were from Iraq and were of another faith so why would they be concerned about a Jewish king? This is a time bomb when it finally hits you but these Magi at the time of the supposed birth of Jesus were an ancient priestly caste dwelling within the Parthian empire that practiced astrology and what we now call astronomy!

Answer for yourself: Should we not be concerned why astrologers and astronomers were seeking anything in Israel let alone another religion? What has astrology or astronomy have to do with religion in the first place?

Well it has everything to do with it as all world religions find their origin in the Heavens with the Sun and stars as they travel the Heavens whether they know it or not and you the reader will come to see this soon.

The Bible itself states in its first chapter (Gen.1.14) that the lights in the heavens were put there as "signs" and signs exist to be interpreted.

Gen 1:14 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: (KJV)

Notice the book of Job:

Job 38:31-32 31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? 32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? (KJV)

Answer for yourself: What is the "Mazzaroth"?

Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon:

4216 mazzarah- Mazzaroth; the 12 signs of the Zodiac and their 36 associated constellations

Answer for yourself: What is the Zodiac doing in the Bible? I was taught it was evil by my Christian church and told the people who do such things were going to hell. Was that your experience? What is with this and have we been led astray in these regards? How can the Zodiac be in the Bible and it be evil yet God speak about it in such a positive light?

Ps 19:1 1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. (KJV)

Answer for yourself: Were you aware that the origins of Hebrew astrology are popularly attributed to Abraham or even Noah? How can these men be examples for us yet involved in something that is supposed to be so evil?

Yet when you begin to look into these issues one finds that it the Zodiac can be traced to Egypt in which the Hebrews at once lived as well as Babylon where later we find the Jews living in exile. Beginning earlier with Egypt and later through the influence of biblical figures like Daniel, who had access to the wisdom of the Ancients in Babylon, or Ezekiel whose vision of the four creatures around the throne has profound relations to the astrology of the elements and the four fixed signs, we find that the Jews became well versed in both astronomy and astrology through experiences with both Egypt and Babylon. We should expect to find such principles as well behind the traditions we find in Judeo-Christianity and you will quickly come to see that we can.

In fact, the book of Ezekiel is pure astrology. Ezekiel, in his vision, sees in sublime form the Lords of the signs of the zodiac, the revolving planets, the constellations, and the angels of the four points -- the elements; in Aquarius, the man; Taurus, the ox; Leo, the lion; and Scorpio, the eagle.

Num 9:2 2 Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season. (KJV)

Answer for yourself: How were they supposed to know when the "season" of Passover had come? By watching the Sun, the moon, and the stars; in particular watching for the Full Moon.

Exod 3:18 18 And they shall hearken to thy voice: and thou shalt come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, The LORD God of the Hebrews hath met with us: and now let us go, we beseech thee, three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God. (KJV)

You might not be ready for this yet here is a very important "key" to understanding the "Jesus Story". When the Sun "PASSES - OVER" the CROSS of the Zodiac (intersection of the celestial equator of the earth with the intersection of the ecliptical orbit of the earth around the Sun) at the Vernal Equinox it is time for the observance of the "passover". This will become clear as water as we continue our study.

Answer for yourself: Have you ever wondered what festival and what sacrifice Moses asked the Pharaoh to allow his people to bring God as he asked that they be allowed to go into desert in order to worship God? Did this special time, the "Passover" and this "appointed season" already existed way back then long before Moses? Was this the "passover" as we have been taught in the Bible or the "pass-over" of the Sun at the Vernal Equinox as it crosses the intersection of the earth's celestial equator and the ecliptic? Did Egypt already know of this "pass over" of the Sun at the Vernal or Spring Equinox? You will understand later I assure you. Just keep up.

Now get ready for the shock of your life. Today, after more than 15 years of arduous study I can say without a doubt that the Christian religion is nothing more than a re-telling of the ancient Egyptian and Hebrew religions that were founded upon an allegorical interpretation of the Sun and the stars and their movements in the Heavens and sky. I mention "Hebrew" in the same breath as "Egyptian" because modern scholarship today has shown that not only has Ezra corrupted much of the ancient history of the Jewish people to hide their Egyptian roots and their Egyptian parents when he "rewrote" the Hebrew Scriptures following their release by Persia but that much of Christian religious dogmas and religious doctrines are but aberrations and deviation from which the earliest Egyptians both believed about the Creator and reasoned from their astute observations of the Sun, the Stars, and the Constellations and their movements in the Heavens. In the same breath understand that modern scholarship is proving today that the whole of the "Jesus Story" is little more than the personification of the Sun and its path through the Zodiac and the Heavens!

There is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN as they say.

It all began with Egypt but it does not end there. The ancient Egyptians held a set of belief systems which were very primitive as far as simplicity but they were extremely knowledgable in their understanding of the Cosmos as you will come to see when you begin to study some of our websites that reveal this hidden knowledge to you. It doesn't matter what religion you are today, there is a common underlying source of ideas to all world religions and these ideas are what have come down through history. Therefore all religions have certain things in common and have all borrowed their current ideas and doctrines from older religions; by older I mean Egypt and Sumer which preceded them. This can be seen by looking a common symbolism common to all world religions in one way or the other...the Sun. More to the point this explains why the "Jesus Story" is almost identical to the previous stories and myths of the Sungods and Sun-godmen the world over but for us we should be interested not so much about this myth, although it is important, but how we are to interpret and understand this "Jesus Christ" and the "Christ Myth" of the New Testament.

Space does not permit the full disclosure of what we have to share but let me address some things in summary fashion as we begin our study. First of all, in ancient times, there were certain things which obviously mystified the early people and the were certain apparent features of the landscape which were difficult to ignore. Of course I mean the Sun for ancient mankind looked upon the Sun as their "Savior". If the sun, which is the source of all life fails to come up the next morning the ancient people would not have lived long and they knew this. The Sun energizes you with it's energy and causes the crops to grow through the process of photosynthesis. The Sun gives up it's life force which is its energy to provide us with warmth, food, and protection and many other things. So it could be said, and we find that the Ancients did say and believe, that the Sun of God gives it's life up for mankind and it is the TRUE SAVIOR for it has risen (daily). The Sun was mankind's "Risen Savior".

Now before you go and say "they were sun-worshippers" you need to understand their religion and that cannot be done when reading Christians who write of it as I found but when you do your independent study from the hands of scholars and historians then you see that these peoples did not worship the actual Sun but the Sun was but a SYMBOL of the Divine God and Creator to them. When the ancient people would track the Sun on the "Sun dial", as some still do today, they saw that the Sun travels South until the Winter Solstice when it cold and harsh, representing darkness and death and the Sun would stop "ON THE SUN DIAL FOR THREE DAYS and on December 25th, the Sun would be said "To be BORN AGAIN" or be "BORN FROM THE DEAD" as it was on the CROSS OF THE ZODIAC" after having died for three days in which it had remained motionless on the southwestern horizon when it set in the same place for 3 days in a row. The Ancients reasoned in this dead of winter when the days were the coldest and possessed the shortest amount of light and when food was the scarcest that "the Sun had died". But glory to God; on the 3rd day, on December 25th, on the Winter Solstices, the "Sun was risen" and had been raised from the dead and began to set northward of this fixed 3 day position once again on it ascension back toward the soon coming Vernal Equinox of Spring when nature brought forth the fruits of its new "birth". December 25th is when the Sun begins it's annual journey back to the Northern Hemisphere with its promise of salvation through the medium of heat and light and the promise of a bountiful harvest to come and this was recognized and celebrated in the Spring at the Vernal Equinox (Easter) when the manifestation of this "prior birth" was fully realized with the new greenery and food and Harvests of Spring.

Now this gets a little more technical. The Ancient calender also started at a different time. Some began their calendar when the Sun entered into the constellation Virgo (the constellation of the virgin) and ended it in Leo (the constellation of the Lion), that is why some believe the Sphinx has the head of a Virgin and the Body of a Lion. When the Sun of God was re-born, the Sun was in the Constellation of Virgo, so it was said to be "Born of a Virgin".

Answer for yourself: You mean we get the concept of the Virgin Birth from the star and the path of the Sun through a constellation in the sky? Yes we do.

The Sun was thought by the Ancient Egyptians to be the "Eye of God" or as called "Eye of Horus". Ra was the Sun God in Egypt. His full name was Amen Ra.

Answer for yourself: Who was Amen? Do we as Christians end our prayers with the name of an Egyptian god?

Well stop right here and understand how I used the word "god" for it refers to an Egyptian concept of God called the "neteru". Stop right now and read the article on the "neteru" please.

Amen or Amon was originally a local god from Thebes in Upper Egypt and he became popular in the New Kingdom when kings from that town came to power. His name meant - "the hidden one", suggesting that he once had been an invisible natural spirit of some sort. He was thought to be self-created and was incorporated with the old myths of how the whole world once was created. Texts from the Old Kingdom mention him as connected with the force of life .

Answer for yourself: Do you end your prayers with "Amen"? Do you know that that this name for God in the Egyptian religion is why we say "A-men" after our prayers never realizing as Christians that this is but one of hundreds of parallels to the Egyptian religion and myths of old that are hidden in the Christian faith as well as Judaism? All of the Egyptian beliefs and customs that are built into our Christian faith go unnoticed by the vast majority of Christians today but they are there at the foundation of our Christian dogmas. The only problem is not that they are there but that Rome changed the meaning of many of them and few know that we have deviated from the earliest understanding of God given to this planet!

Take the origin of the Trinity, the father, the son (Sun), and the holy spirit for example. Horus, the personified Son of the Sun God (did you catch that?), comes up at the "Hor-izon". He is "Born" and this is understood as the beginning of the day at dawn, at 12:00 noon he is the "Most High", and then the Sun "Sets" as sun-Set (sunset); hence "Set" or "Satan", the prince of darkness does battle with the light of the world (the Sun) and wins (death of the Sun/Son), until the Sun slips beneath the "Hor-izon" and is dead. Of course this "SAME" Sun is "re-born" the next day at dawn. This cycle of "death and rebirth" of the very "same Sun"is a Divine Concept that undergirds the doctrine of "Eternal Life" not only as understood by Egypt but by Christianity and Judaism as well.

Every dualism claims that there are two essentially different principles of reality. Sometimes these two principles of are "symbolically" represented by pairs of opposites; for example as light/darkness, knowledge/ignorance, spirit/matter (also mind/body), good/evil, etc. The Trinity, in its oldest expression, is then but a further representation of the evolution of this life principle found in the Cosmos and this dualism within it. The only difference is the added "personification" of one of these parts of this dualism whereby the "two principles" become "three". For example the light of God becomes the "Son of God". The positive force or principle of life is further divided into a subset of sorts where we end up in this case with the
Son of the Sun (light). So this dualism and the interplay of these basic "forces" or "powers" which are basic "neteru" is later defined and symbolized in Egypt in the process of "birth, or the beginning, mid-life starting in your teen years, and old age, leading to death, the end of life". This "tension" between these two principles of reality (light/dark, life/death) is also symbolized in other religions going very far back. In India, there is Brahma, the Father, Vishnu, the Son, and Shiva. Egypt did the same with Horus, the Son of the Sun of God. Horus is then easily understood as the "Son of the Sun" or the Egyptian "Jesus"! One only has to contrast the hundreds and hundreds of similarities of Horus and the New Testament Jesus to see this beyond any doubt!

Answer for yourself: What should we have learned from this?

We must be on our toes to not interpret something as "Literal and Historical" when the intended meaning by the writer and the Ancients was purely allegorical and in so being expressed deeper "Spiritual Concepts" no less real as if discussing a "historical entity".

In Malachi 4:2 of the Old Testament, it states "But unto you, fear my name, shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings."

Answer for yourself: What is this? Why does the verse say "the Sun" instead of "the Son"?

One only need look at the above symbol from Egypt of the Sun (gold disk) and his wings. Does this echo Malachi 4:2 to you? It just so happens that Ancient man knew that it was the will of God that man entrapped on this earth make his way to God above whose home was believed to be in the Sky and Heaven above. So wings were only "symbolic" for man's desire and intent to make his way to God eventually.

Answer for yourself: Jesus was supposed to have 12 apostles but some early Church Fathers say he had only five? Could this reference to 12 be a reference to the 12 Houses of the Zodiac and not historically accurate to the historical record whom few even know exists or does not exist depending on how you look at it?

Let us move on. God challenges Job, “Have you fitted a curb to the Pleiades (a star cluster in the Constellation Taurus), or loosened the bonds of Orion (another Constellation which lies just off the ecliptic)? Can you bring forth theMazzaroth (Zodiac) in their season, or guide the Bear with its train? Do you know the ordinances of the heavens; can you put into effect their plan on the earth?” (Job 38: 31-32).

This text is referring to Astronomy rather than Astrology. The word Mazzaroth is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek word "Zodiac". Believe it or not this verse is all about the Zodiac and the Constellations that lie around it. So this is a reference to the Zodiac and astrology. The definition of Mazzaroth in the King James Version of the bible is "The twelve houses of the zodiac".

Answer for yourself: What is hidden in the word for "Zodiac"?

The Hebrew word Zodi means; The Way.

Answer for yourself: What does "this Way" represent? Could it be understood as the "way to God" and His message to mankind hidden in the Sky and the Heavens?

Acts 9:1-2. " Then Saul (Paul) still breathing threats and murder against the disciples went to a high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogue of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of "The Way" whether men or women he might bring them bound up, to Jerusalem.

Acts 22:4 Paul said "I persecuted this "Way" to the death binding and delivering into prisons both men and women"

Answer for yourself: Is the connection between the Zodiac and meaning "the way" and the early Christian movement being called "thy way" just coincidence? You better think long and hard on that one.

In other words earliest man understood that God was speaking to them from His Heaven and it was this message originally understood my the earliest Spiritual Masters of mankind (the Egyptian Priests and Sages) which was understood by them as God's way and desire for mankind and mankind's path or road to inheriting God's salvation.

Let us look at another example. Jesus is said to have fed his people with two fishes and five loaves.

Answer for yourself: Could this reference to these two fishes represent "Pisces" (a constellation containing two fish) and the age of Pisces or that particular House of the Zodiac which ruled the Vernal Equinox during the time for the supposed "Historical Jesus"? Is this why Jesus of the New Testament is referred to as the "great fisherman"? Is this also why the Pope's headdress is shaped like a fish and that the symbol of the Christian age is the fish? If you turn it sideways you will see this. Rome ruled the world for 2000 years under the age of Pisces. This explains why in this same period of time, some 2,160 years that Pisces ruled the Vernal Equinox that "Dogon" is the Philistine fish God. As you are beginning to see much of the Bible's symbolism is wrapped up in Astronomical terminology which we mistakenly understand today as if "literal" when in fact it was originally understood "allegorically".

What I have presented up to now is just the beginning of the evidence which proves that the New Testament is Astrology to the core and that the "Jesus Story" is the story of the Sun and its passage through the Zodiac later personified through a historical depiction of "Jesus Christ" which was originally understood by the Ancients as a Divine Allegory and was never understood as if a "historical person". The Ancients understood that Osiris, Horus, Dionysus, Attis, and Mithra and others we not "historical persons" but personifications and symbolism of Divine Concepts that were working in God's Cosmos!!! Said another way these were but another symbolic representation for what Egypt called "the neteru".

In Matthew 28:20 it states "Surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age".

Answer for yourself: With everybody talking about the return of Jesus all the time then have you ever noticed when consulting a Strong's Concordance or a Thayer's Greek Lexicon that the New Testament changed the Greek word for "age" (aion) into the word "world" when the word never said or meant that in the Greek? What is being covered up here in manipulation of the texts?

What is being talked about here in this famous verse is the "End of the Age"! "But which one" we should ask as there are many and each new age replaces the earlier one every 2,160 years according to the Precession of the Equinoxes.

Answer for yourself: When was this "end of the Age" to occur or has it happened yet? How many times has it happened down through recorded history? Did the end of the Age occur for example when the Age of Taurus was replaced by the Age of Aries? When the Age of Aries was replaced by the Age of Pisces? The answer is "yes" to such questions.

As you are beginning to see this verse refers to the age of "Pisces" which was just beginning just prior to the first century according to Roman reckoning of time. I must stress again that this passage does not mean "end of the world" or some other cataclysm. This makes such apocalyptic literature like the Book of Revelation for example appear rather silly today when you understand the concepts as they were originally understood. I cannot begin to tell you how far off we are as Christians when trying to understand the New Testament since we possess little knowledge of the "keys" necessary to interpret such a book written almost 2000 years ago. Thus the end of the "Age" is often mistaken for the "end of the world", creating the "Apocalypse fears" and a rash of new prophecies to quiet such fears. Let me apologize to the reader but this information is again a little premature but with each "end of an age" there is a change of the ruling constellation at the Vernal Equinox. Each constellation rules for 2,160 years according to the Precession of the Equinox and the moving of the Heavens by the "finger" of God. That explains why Mithra was symbolic for God whom was understood as the "Great Kosmokrator"; the "Mover of Heaven". More important for us is the fact that the more you study you will come to see that there is a new interpretation of "the Karast/Christ" of God with each one of these periods of 2,160 years and each period of 2,160 years is connected with the ruling Constellation during that time at each Vernal Equinox and its rule and reign lasts for this 2,160 years. This understanding and more "keys" will come in time to the reader. As you know the Constellation Aquarius follows Pisces and we await its arrival and with it another "end of the world/age".

Answer for yourself: What are we to do when the "Historical Jesus" does not appear when the Age of Aquarius officially begins? He was to be with us till the "end of the Age" but what about a "different Age"?

Answer for yourself: Were you aware that Joshua, whose name is often identified with "Jesus" was called the Son of Nun, which in Hebrew means "fish"? Who is this "Nun"? Could this be the Heavens and Sky in Egyptian Religion which is called "Nun"? Nun is an Egyptian concept that represents chaos; the original ocean which before the creation contained all the germs of all plants and animals. The Egyptians called him "Father of the Gods". Sometimes he was found represented as a figure plunged up to his waist in water, with his arms upreached to the gods.

The new "Age of Aquarius" is coming. The symbol for the age of Aquarius is the "Water-bearer", or the man with a water pitcher.

In Luke 22:10, when Jesus is asked by his 12 apostles where he will go to settle his new kingdom, he responds, "Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you bearing a pitcher of water, follow him into the house where he entereth in."

Answer for yourself: Is this a reference to the "House of Aquarius"?

In Matthew 12:32, "The holy spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

In Matthew 13:39, "The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels". 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age". In

Matthew 24:3 "and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

Luke 18:30 "the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."

First Corinthians 3:6, "We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age who are coming to nothing".

Hebrews 6:5 "Who have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the coming age". and in

Revelation 15:3 "Great and marvelous are you Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the Ages."

The Sun, our Lord, is the King of the Ages and we are in the "End Times" and entering a "New Age". There is nothing to fear in this regard, of a "New Age" or the "End Times" for one only replaces the former.

As stated earlier the "Passover" is the Sun passing over the Cross of the Zodiac which happens twice a year; at the Spring Equinox as the Sun moves into the Northern Hemisphere and the Autumn Equinox when the Sun traces its path and descends into the Southern Hemisphere. It is at this Autumn Equinox we see the Sun moving toward the Winter Solstice from the Fall Equinox on its way to its death and rebirth. This too was borrowed from the Hebrews who borrowed it from the Egyptians.

Notice with me the very interesting word Israel.

Israel (Is-Ra-El):
Isis (Moon)
Ra (Sun)
El (Saturn)
Answer for yourself: Did you before today know that Israel has strong Egyptian roots?

Originally, there were 3 basic religions of astrology:

The Lunar Cult (Moon),
The Solar Cult (Sun) and
The Stellar Cult (Saturn).
Answer for yourself: Does that mean we should expect to find in Judaism and later Christianity Lunar, Solar, and Stellar background for our "theologies"? It sure does!

The original Hebrew religion was based on the Lunar Cult and the moon, but went back to the Stellar cult and the worship of El (Saturn). The Christians, as they emerged and separated from Judaism, were bringing back elements of the Solar Cult of the Sun. That is why there is the ongoing dispute about the correct day of worship as well as the similarities between the "Jesus Story" and the path of the Sun through the Heavens. The Hebrews worship on Saturday (Saturn) and the Christians worship on Sunday (Sun). It is very simple if you understand what the priesthood is hiding but it goes much more deeply than I have shown you at present.

In times of social change, new religious movements would respond to the demands of the times. These movements were derived from the Ancient original traditions but were also reactions against it. The new sects would eventually rewrite the old doctrine to accommodate the new social views and reinterpret them through their evolution as a specific sect or nation. In this way Buddhism was derived from Hinduism and Christianity from Judaism (the emergence of Christianity was at the time of the beginning of the age of Pisces...remember?). This helps explain why the Age of Aries (Judaism) was "Lamb centered" since the ram/lamb was the symbol of the Constellation Aries which parallels the emergence of Judaism and likewise the fish the symbol of the Age of Pisces in which times or "age" Christianity emerged. As you are beginning to see the validity of today's religions are entirely dependent upon the earlier religions from which they were derived and evolved.

The first astronomers were in fact astrologers. As an interesting piece of information we find that lacking all scientific knowledge these Ancients interpreted the sky as a lid or cover on the earth, with the stars as distant holes through which heaven and God were observed. It was if God and His eyes was watching them from behind a barrier or a dark screen full of "holes". This Sky for them was the home of God; it was His Heaven. From this perspective the sun appeared to be a small piece of the deity seen through the distant holes. This was the birth of the Egyptian tradition of Osiris, Isis and Horus (Ra). They associated the stars (holes) of Orion with Osiris, the god who cared and provided for them. And to the left of him is the star Sirius which they saw as his consort Isis. They ruled the kingdom of the dead, the kingdom at night. And by the day Ra the Sun of God (early idealistic form of the Son of God) ruled the land of the living.

On another of our Websites we show the reader that an important religious change came in the year 1379 BC. The Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten (whom many believe was the Biblical Moses and himself a Pharaoh of Egypt) tried to change the evolved religion of Egypt from the worship of many Gods and Osiris as the godman to the worship of the one invisible Incorporeal Creator God. Since the rule of Pharaoh Akhenaten most religions have encouraged parishioners to worship one chief deity. And all chief deities were nothing more than personifications of the Sun since the Sun was again "the Savior" of mankind. That list goes on and on back through ancient history. Jesus is no different. Jesus, as the personification of the "Son of the Sun" is referred to as Gods sun, the light of the world, who is our salvation because he has risen. This hidden theology is evident in every Sun burst around the head of Jesus as the personified Sun. In fact all Sun deities including Jesus have been pictured wearing a sun disk as a crown. If you think this is far fetched, take a look at how the Holy Bible describes Jesus. Revelation 1:7; "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him." There is only one light of the world every eye can see that comes with clouds. That, of course, is the Sun. Even more in the New Testament we also read how Jesus walked on water. Matthew 14:25; "And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea." All of us have seen the sunset at the beach or shinning off a lake or river. The Sun appears to be walking on the water as it casts its reflection off the water or off the moon. It is as simple as that.

We are also told that the son of God died with a crown of thorns. Mark 15:17; "And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head," That is precisely how the Sun was pictured in ancient days, with a crown of thorns, or sun rays. In antiquity, the sun-god was represented as the driver of a fiery chariot who wore a crown of thorns or fiery rays. The chariot was the sun which was pulled through the sky above the clouds by four horses that represented the four seasons (Vernal equinox, Summer solstice, Autumn equinox, Winter solstice).

Over time as you can take note of the many evidences from your studies that the Holy Bible is nothing more than a rewritten account of the most ancient story the world has ever known, the story of the Zodiac and the path of the Sun and the constellations through Heaven (the sky above). Jesus of Nazareth, Chrishna, Horus and sixteen other saviors represent the Sun down through recorded history. The largest and most important thing that appears to travel through the houses or constellations of the Zodiac was the Sun. Over time the Ancients molded stories and personified them and the "Sun became the Son of the Sun" and Divine Truths connected with the Creator and His message to mankind as observed in the Laws of His Cosmos and its working was handed down throughout history. Allegories were later "literalized" and the myths lost their original meaning and the truths once held sacred by the Ancient Priest of Egypt and other nations were lost when these allegories and myths were later "literalized by Rome" when they turned the "allegorical Christ into a historical Christ". We have a website describing how the earliest Gnostic Jews and Gentiles were believers in the "allegorical Jesus Christ" and not the "historical Jesus" of Rome's making over the first 5 centuries of the Gentile Church.

The Bible is pure Astro-theology based on the zodiac.

Job 38:31; "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"

Job 38:32, "Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturas with his sons?"

Job 38:33; "Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?"

Orion, Arcturus and the Pleiades are all constellations. If you refer to the interpreting dictionary in the back of the King James Bible, the word Mazzaroth means the twelve signs of the zodiac. So God is asking Job; Can thou control Orion, Arcturas or the Pleiades? Can thou bring forth a zodiac in the proper season? Knowest thou the commands of heaven? This again is pure astronomy.

As you study you will find that many, many stories throughout the bible depict its astrological origins. Let us learn right now that each astrological age is 2,160 years long. And around the year 2200 we will enter into the next "New Age"; the Age of Aquarius. In the scriptures Peter and John are told by Jesus to prepare for the "Pass-over" which is exactly what is to occur; namely, the passover to the next astrological age.

We mentioned above the account in which Jesus feeds his followers with two fishes symbolizing the two fishes in the Constellation Pisces which had just replaced the Age of Aries. The text also mentions five loaves.

Matthew 14:15-21 15: When it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, "This is a lonely place, and the day is now over; send the crowds away to go into the villages and buy food for themselves." 16: Jesus said, "They need not go away; you give them something to eat." 17: They said to him, "We have only five loaves here and two fish." 18: And he said, "Bring them here to me." 19: Then he ordered the crowds to sit down on the grass; and taking the five loaves and the two fish he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and broke and gave the loaves to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the crowds. 20: And they all ate and were satisfied. And they took up twelve baskets full of the broken pieces left over. 21: And those who ate were about five thousand men, besides women and children.

The two fishes are in fact the two fishes of the constellation Pisces. Consequently there are twelve baskets of leftovers, one for each house of the zodiac. Other stories include Jesus Christ the Son of God born of a virgin, in reference to the constellation of Virgo the Virgin; the golden calf story in relation to the astrological sign of Taurus which was being replaced by Aries (ram/lamb) at the Vernal equinox in that age and I could go on and on and show this information as we proceed throughout this website.

While today as Christians in the Western Hemisphere we might not know of the connection between astrology and Christianity, middle ages Europe was very well aware of the connections. Many European cathedrals exhibit symbols of the zodiac in stained glass windows and other architectural features. In 1932, Archeologists unearthed a fourth century synagogue in Israel. And in the very center of the temple they found a beautiful mosaic of the Zodiac. It was a representation of God surrounded by the twelve signs of the zodiac.

Rome ruled the religious world for two thousand years under the age of Pisces; thus the fish is an appropriate symbol not only for Christianity but the Pope's miter (hat). That's why Christians have the fish on the back of their car and not a ram/lamb since we are no longer in the Age of Aries. Thus Jesus is referred to as the great fisherman. The pope's miter is actually a fish head representative of Pisces. The similarities and symbolism never seems to stop once you get the "keys" to their interpretation of this Bible since it is a book based upon Astronomy and few realize it; mistakenly interpreting it as if "literal" when it fact it is "allegorical" more than we ever dreamed.


The reality is that modern religions are based on archaic astrological fables as we will show you in detail in the following articles on this website. Don't take our word for it; you need to see these things for yourself.

Of concern for us of course is the "Jesus Story" as depicted in the New Testament and its reliability as understood "literally" since it is being taught as a literal truth today about a historical man who lived 2000 years ago. You will come to see in time as you study that the ancients understood this "Jesus Christ" entirely different for how we have been taught today under the direction of Roman and Protestant Christianity. Here are some big questions to ponder in light that most Christians trust in this Jesus Christ for their Eternal Salvation.

Answer for yourself: Who or what is truly behind the name "Jesus Christ"? Can it be proven that the "Jesus Story" is nothing but the personification of the Sun and its passage through the various houses of the Zodiac as it passes through the 4 seasons and the equinoxes and solstices?
Answer for yourself: Are the infancy narratives and later depictions of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ in the New Testament nothing more than solar stories told as allegories which were later "literalized" and subsequently written into Rome's New Testament and depicted as a literalized historical Jesus Christ when in fact they were understood by the Ancients as astrological myths taken from astronomy?
Answer for yourself: Have we as Christians and followers of the "the Christ" been deceived by Rome and spent a good part of our lives worshipping a man as God as Rome has declared in their New Testament and the Nicean Council when in fact we should have been worshipping the one true Creator as Moses instructed? Are we guilty of idolatry and blasphemy as Christians because we have believed a fable no more real than Snow White and the seven dwarfs?
Well the following study is not for the weak of heart as I will present infallible proofs that the "Jesus Story" as depicted in the New Testament is but a hoax perpetrated upon us by Rome in their hatred of Jewish Gnosticism back in the first century. You will see as we move chronologically from one sign of the Zodiac to the other, from month to month, from season to season, from Spring equinox to Summer solstice, from Autumn equinox to Winter solstice, and repeat again this cycle, that the "Jesus Story" as depicted in the New Testament is nothing more than the literalization by Rome of the path of the Sun through the Zodiac along with other solar myths later incorporated into their "Jesus Story" when literalized by Rome over the earliest centuries A.D. In so doing you will see as I and many others have that we have not been taught the truth about "the Christ within" and how this religious concept is so integral to the proper worship of the Invisible God as Egypt taught. It would seem that Egypt got it right in the beginning but thanks to Hellenism and Romanism we lost these earliest and most correct Divine Concepts regarding God. We are truly blessed today to live in an age where archeology and the information age can bring these truths back to life for you and me.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

Ladies and Gentleman..........the copy and paste king has returned!!!!!! STARFISH!!!!!!!!! Starfish = His Farts

tcob247 said...


" thoroughly convinced that I was not teaching the truth concerning the "Jesus Story" nor "the Christ" but only reiterating an aberrant tradition that had strayed so distantly from the truths of the Ancients concerning this "Jewish Messiah" whom was believed to be "the Christ"."

Guess you wil find out the truth when you stand before the throne

remember "every knee will bow"

You won't be bowing to the SUN

Please just post links

Nobody wants to read this crap

has nothing to do with mortgage elimination and Kurts situation

tcob247 said...


"Answer for yourself: Have we as Christians and followers of the "the Christ" been deceived by Rome and spent a good part of our lives worshipping a man as God as Rome has declared in their New Testament and the Nicean Council when in fact we should have been worshipping the one true Creator as Moses instructed? Are we guilty of idolatry and blasphemy as Christians because we have believed a fable no more real than Snow White and the seven dwarfs?"

Yah.............. and you are GOOFY

Starfish Prime said...

Thats fine.. ignorance sets us free

Starfish Prime said...

I can't believe the same cast of characters are still flocking to this blog.. tcob I thought you were on the wagon with the other two or three folks who think Kurt is full of shit? Yes Kurts overblown and harmful study of the Bible has corrupted his reality to the point he now faces 20-30 years in the slammers in the name of the Christ. Yes, my friends, albeit one step away from being a Manson cult, you've all been duped and also lose your home.

Starfish Prime said...

Could it be that my copy and pasting has stuck a nerve that so much INFORMATION confronts you that you don't know how to deal or cope? Disprove at least on part. Bring it on sheeple.

Starfish Prime said...

tcob has merely skimmed the information presented.. reading the tail end of the TRUTH.. oh well.. go fight the big fight vicariously through your brave son (or is that SUN?)

Fight those evil-doers..

Starfish Prime said...

Starfish Prime said...

Communism/Socialism and it's evil twin Disney's Snow White...


Starfish Prime said...

(or not)

Starfish Prime said...

“I FORTUNATELY ESCAPED without any wound, for the right wing, where I stood, was exposed to and received all the enemy's fire, and it was the part where the man was killed, and the rest wounded. I heard the bullets whistle, and, believe me there is something charming in the sound.”

tcob247 said...

"go fight the big fight vicariously through your brave son"

Fuck you low life
You are a scum just like you always were

mogel said...

Tycob said: "I believe Jim Jones and David Koresh said the exact same things."
Dorean didn't start off as a religious movement. If you are equating David koresh & Jim Jones with the Dorean movement, then, you truly are off your rocker.

mogel said...

Tycob said: "By that you mean you will both be released, the government will pay billions to your followers and your clients will get their houses back? And the banking industry will collapse?

Please explain.
Or is your wisdom from God to lofty for us?"
Is that so unrealistic to believe that K&S would or could be released? Something appeared to have happened in the State of Ohio that might even surprise you, one of the biggest doubters of all.

Is is also so unrealistic to believe that the government would or could pay billions of dollars for damaged clients? How much did they spent for Katrina? After all, they spent more than 80 Billion in the war in Iraq. Our government is still functioning are they not? They haven't collapsed, so why would you believe that such a small sum would make the banking industry collapse for doing so?

Your conclusion that clients would get their houses back isn't necessary a true conclusion either. If one is compensated fairly, does it really matter if someone gets their house back or not? A person can always buy another house, maybe even a better house than what they were living in previously.

Maybe your wisdom is greater than God's or even the smartest of men? Apparently you think so since you seem to have been skeptical from the beginning.

w said...

fret not, starfish, these ppl dont want to believe their own bibles, just the feel good parts, any other parts they dont agree with they say are translated wrong. but not the part about give me your money and follow what the govt. tells you to do, those are translated correctly.right, drill that into your children with fear of hell, rinse, repeat.
you know the story, their god cant even follow thru with a promise of watching over you and to take care of creation, look around you, but he is really good at burning you and is going to make real sure he follows thru on that one if you dont succumb. right. thats balance.
dont you know you are born guilty, lol, and if you dont pay up you are not in so called gods good graces and asked to leave the church. oh, and it's all mans fault, their god doesnt have to do anything but sit and observe. and the circle keeps spinning.

like Isaiah 45:7, their 'lord' prince is the self proclaimed creator of darkness and evil, and they keep singing to it.

. but no,no,no we dont like that part. dont discuss that so we dont have to face that.

you are correct, all religion is a device to control mankind. think about it and wake up sheepl.

Starfish Prime said...

this as the dollar falls against the Euro..

In other news,

the fiat system of money will collapse that has been created during the two frauds of 1913.


Starfish Prime said...


all fear-based and reliance on an external source for TRUTH as you know.


mogel said...

Starfish Prime quoted someone: "Troubling most for me during my years of study was the fact that there isn't a single "unforged" reference to Jesus Christ anywhere in recorded history for the time he supposedly lived."
Pure nonsense!

Starfish Prime said...

that's right and hide.. deny deny deny..

Starfish Prime said...

"stay together children; strength in numbers" ..

mogel said...

Starfish Prime quoted this pastor & researcher: "If you do these studies, and read these articles on this website then you will be thoroughly convinced as I was that the "Jesus Story" was never meant to be understood "literally" as it has been taught to you and me.
Thus the worship of Jesus or connecting him with God or believing him God is the grossest idolatry according to Moses and the Ten Commandments and a terrible affront to the Creator."
What a bunch of crap.

KYHOOYA said...

Starfish Prime said...
tcob has merely skimmed the information presented.. reading the tail end of the TRUTH.. oh well.. go fight the big fight vicariously through your brave son (or is that SUN?)

Fight those evil-doers..

12:14 PM


As you said when Tin cup posted the first time in reagrd to your posting, He is here to condeim everthing postred that's not someone badmouthing Kurt or Scott and or anything that dos'nt fall into his pea brain mind set and as I said before I can only picture someone who has spent their whole life doing and saying what ever the masses toldhim was the right thing. Even if he had a original thought he would'nt say it out loud let along put it in writing without first testing the water of his now jury peir group to see if it fit into their way of the NORMal and proper way that some one should think and act. All out of his own short comings and lack of effort to take the time to find the truth or at least explore any ideas that might support something different that his small town thinking. You know he's lazy when it come's to stepping to far out of the box. It show's by his lack of effort to investigate the going on and check the fact surrounding the dorean process. Instead he jumped in head first without checking for fear of loosing his chance at getting in.

So what can you expect out of him on a topic that is nature that is WAY far beyond his scope of resoning that is more than likly would cause a vein to stick out from is head from the presure it took just getting past the first page. That being only from the act of even thinking could you picture if he really gave it some concideration and how that would play havoc with his by now inbeded social mind of social pressure's and what that might do to his health.

I would think it better to let him rant than take the chance that it could have irreveriable side effects to his programed way of thinking.

mogel said...

Starfish said: "Yes Kurts overblown and harmful study of the Bible has corrupted his reality to the point he now faces 20-30 years in the slammers in the name of the Christ."
Yea, blame it on the harmful rays of the Sun!! :o)

mogel said...

Starfish said: "Thats fine.. ignorance sets us free"
No astrology and astronomy will set you free!!!

Leslie Neilsen said...


What about Josephus and Philo?

KYHOOYA said...

I have to say that out of anyone here that I have received more tangable benifits from what you have brought to this table than others. Not to say that I have not gained from some others here as well but as far as the like Tin Cup he and one's like him have nothing more to offer than the banter of the lacking and so are regarded for such.

So if that at all matter's to you in your reaching, and I by the mere fact that you would take the time to post such would have one beleive it does, and has'nt gone in vein.

Nice read and give a very interesting thought surrounding a topic that has it has been and I'm sure will be long after were gone that of ones that show's that not all you are told is writen in stone true and everlasting.

As of some other thing's that have been brought to light in this arena where the parting of the red sea is thought now to be that of more nature than of a mystic power of one. Reather that one more than likly was in the right place and witnessed this act of nature and there by was so move to use it in their attempt of salvaion.

64 MPH wind were noted as not common in that time and there being a reef at the point where it is writen this event happened and being this reef was graft to show what it would been lager at the time the wind of 64 MPH would drivin a wall of water up and withstained it for as long as it continued at that rate and there by creating a passage of excape for the Jew's and as the wind's died down they would bring with them the wall of water on top of the persuing army. Killing all in it's wake.
The modles show it not to be un common for these wind s to last in excece of 4-5 hour long enough for the masss of people to cross and excape.

Not that this is to discount everything that is writen and fir the same measure there are note's that the samples taken from what is thought to be Noa's ark's from that story is deemed to be from the right time and rest it what is thought to be the right place the book tell's of in that story.

One would have to think that with the pervertion of today's writen word and or the new even that even back then some would have seen that they could use this ti their advantage and gain.
It is in way any secrect that the church is a power to be still today and can make and brak with it direction most any men or Gov't and so being and with other items that the church has been so noted for in resent time as not so Holly one ahs to give thought to the fact's that these men are just that men and can be so made by the greed and lust of power to change what would cause that tio continue to exsist.
Know one goes without a fight or just a wimper when they have enjoied such a time of power and so in this we can say that the church is no different than that who fill it and speek it's word.

As I said nice read.

mogel said...

Starfish has recently come to the discovery that every person that has eaten peas has died. This is just an irrefutable fact. After all, do you know someone that has eaten peas that hasn't died or is not dying now and who is actually not aging over time? Therefore, he has concluded that peas is the cause of death in all human beings. We have all been deceived about the cause of natural death.

The story that Adam & Eve partook of "fruit" is just some allegory story that is not meant to be taken literally. After all, "fruits" are good. Just ask any "fruit inspector". It's the veggies that kill.

Please...... Stay away from peas!!!!! It's the green kiss of death.

Soon Science will understand this deep truth that was known by the ancients too.

Adam & Eve knew it, but the Devil made them eat it, thus the expression came to light: "The Devil made me do it."

Adam & Eve died because they ate from the Tree of Peas!! Thus it became known as the "Fall" from the trapeze or "tree of peas" ... falling from the "circus of life". This truth is found in the history of Egypt in some historical writings only known to the Nostics of their time & is also in astronomy known as the "trapeze constellation" coined by Issac Newton himself.

If you want to be an immortal, stay away from peas, please.... :o) It's much more lethal than any kool aid that you can drink.

mogel said...


What about Josephus and Philo?
Those two were also mythological figures too. They really didn't exist either in the time frame they claimed to live in. It's all part of the conspiracy fomented by the early Christian Church.

Their historical writing too didn't coincide with the times they wrote about either. :o) There is no collaborative evidence that those two historians existed either. :o)

mogel said...

W said: fret not, starfish, these ppl dont want to believe their own bibles, just the feel good parts,
Does it feel good to you to put down the divinity of Jesus Christ & to confirm the point of view that he is a myth and that he wasn't the Son of God as he said and that he didn't live in the meridian of time? That was the theme of all of that long cut & paste posting by Starfish. The Sun is more sacred than the Son of God, according to those very long articles. That was the root of the article, not about whether governments are good or not, or whether they look after the people's best interests.

Does it make you feel good to be an agnostic or atheist? If Jesus didn't exist, there is no after life or resurrection. Does it feel good to you to know that when you die, you will cease to exist and that your body will never rise again from the grave & that you will become nothing in the eternities & that there was no purpose in your creation since there was no creation & no creator & no God & no Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

I read all of the information Starfish posted. I wasn't inspired by any of it. Pure conjecture & information that someone tried to tie together to form certain conclusions, which I found to be absurd. For most people if you read enough crap, you begin to start believing in it. Garbage in--garbage out.

Starfish Prime said...

Mogel wrote: Starfish has recently come to the discovery that every person that has eaten peas has died. This is just an irrefutable fact. After all, do you know someone that has eaten peas that hasn't died or is not dying now and who is actually not aging over time?

This sort of nonsensical perversion of thought is on the same exact level of intelligence required to submit to the literal world of Bible and end up so confused you sound like a lunatic, so intoxicated with the "Word" you alter your life in ways that only leave you deprived and eats away at your critical-thinking skills and ability to question, use logic and reason; a slave you submit. Anyhoo, your strawman theory, by proving a point that has absolutely no substance pertaining to the issue at hand here, of everyone who eats peas dies therefore peas kill has nothing to do with the topics covered by me here recently.

Maybe if some of the words you typed would actually relate to the MATERIAL presented then someone may take you seriously who isn't already currently hanging on by their fingertips in hopes that somebody rejects the TRUTH in yet another convincing rhetorical rant, even if its devoid of proof or evidence. Fight facts with fact.

"God works in mysterious ways" won't cut it.

son of a prophet said...

20. At daybreak. this wonderful, newborn child, God's 'Sun', is ... 'Born Again' Horus is Risen. Even today, when the Sun comes up, we see it on the "Horus-Risen", or "Horizon". His life was also divided into 12 parts or steps across Heaven each day: 12 HORUS = 12 HOURS. This is the origin of the modern " 12 Step Program". Horus is the (new-born) Sun, or the Bringer of the Light. In Latin, Light Bringer is Lucis, or Lucifer, or Luke."

lol! take a good look inot the EYE OF HORUS and what do you see??

(btw-the eye of horus is the eye on the back of the one dollar bill)


after you look into the eye of whoris, take a pencil and poke a hole into the dollar bill where the eye is and blind that no good &*&%$##@

w said...

I know mogel, just as you're taught, say have 'more faith' to any one that questions the lack of common sense being spread about.
if you want to spend eternity with such a creature as the creator of darkness and evil,
if you're taught that's your paradise, thats you're decision, you're free to make.

I'll pass

Starfish Prime said...

Mogel said: I read all of the information Starfish posted. I wasn't inspired by any of it. Pure conjecture & information that someone tried to tie together to form certain conclusions, which I found to be absurd. For most people if you read enough crap, you begin to start believing in it. Garbage in--garbage out.

Oh and he said that the point of the article.. The Sun is more sacred than the Son of God

You missed the entire point here. The Sun itself is not considered God you crook.

Sounds like you are in denial. Never mind historical fact (you know, the stuff that isn't questionable like EGYPTIANS) or the knowledge gained for the study of religions OTHER than yours, Mogel.

Deny deny deny - and since you are sincerely brainwashed - you will try to discredit everything by saying things like "oh put on the tin foil hats and blame it on the aliens" nonsense won't work for those who truly are able to use their critical thinking skills or using outright lies or tell of of a literal story from the Bible. People like you run around telling people that the dinosaurs didn't exist and that people from the Old Testament lives 400 years. Moron. Mogel... M = Moron.

Starfish Prime said...

Oh one more thing Mogley. The references to government are probably inspired from the links I posted. (which even has a Christian-bent just for you!)

mogel said...

Starfish prime said; "stay together children; strength in numbers" ..
So are you saying if you have enough stupid people together, the average IQ in the room actually rises, the more stupid people you find? Is this the strength that you allude to?

Starfish Prime said...

If Jesus didn't exist, there is no after life or resurrection. Does it feel good to you to know that when you die, you will cease to exist and that your body will never rise again from the grave & that you will become nothing in the eternities & that there was no purpose in your creation since there was no creation & no creator & no God & no Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

Mogel, my friend, this is the great part! There is most CERTAINLY a soul. My man, the truth (also revealed in the Gnostic texts) is reincarnation. I know that pill isn't going down if the first one didn't ;) But hey. Long story. But yes. NO question. And, no, the Buddhists aren't the only ones who believe in the concept. Are you reborn as a cat? No.

mogel said...

Starfish said: "Fight facts with fact."
Facts don't stand on their own in your parallel universe of confusion?

How about "fight confusion with facts". That makes more sense. Certainly you must agree.

Starfish Prime said...

So are you saying if you have enough stupid people together, the average IQ in the room actually rises, the more stupid people you find? Is this the strength that you allude to?

Know: those who are willing to be left in the dark can not do it alone. They need support! (a 'nightlight' you said Mogel? No you silly man). To be the only fool isn't for most people anyway.

Starfish Prime said...

How about "fight confusion with facts". That makes more sense. Certainly you must agree.

Yes. That makes sense. But the saying goes, since you want to so orthodox anyway, fight facts with fact. The logic here is the one presenting their argument presumably is coming to the table with facts. The only way to disprove the "fact" is with another .. drumroll please. f-a-c-t.

Facts are the difference between me and yourself. How arrogant of me? Do I have all the answers? LOL. No way. But I just have, well, a knack. Knack for finding answers. And sifting through bullshit. How did you think this came across my radar. Do you think ANYONE else I know knows about this attempt to take on the cons at their own game?

Yes my friends the mortgage system is all a fraud. But, unfortunately, I predict that Kurt and Scott will suffer that way that Irwin Schiff ( and Cynthia Neun did. And that's conviction by a jury that went along the lines of "status quo" re-enforced by the US attorney (and the attorney wearing the black robe).

The income tax is a fraud (for the average working man in America) just as much as the entire Federal Reserve System is repugnant to the Constitution. And my better judgment also tells me that they were both bitten by a little greed and took it a step too far (just on intuition I could be wrong) and any chance of hope has been dashed via greed $$$ $$$ $$$ (ISIS).

mogel said...

"In Latin, Light Bringer is Lucis, or Lucifer, or Luke."
Maybe Starfish went from a Christian to a Devil Worshipper, in a short period of time, who really knows?

I guess Irwin Schiff getting convicted in the courts made him go overboard with a nervous breakdown!! That was the last that we heard of him until now. HIS LAST WORDS UNTIL NOW WAS "oH gOD" Irwin was convicted.

Now he wants to cut and paste the alleged perception of truth that Jesus lied and that he never existed. Course Starfish probably thinks that Jesus Christ was the greatest moral teacher that ever lived in the imaginations of all including himself. Never mind that he taught that he was ALSO the Son of God.

It seems he is the one that is denying things, and taking bits & pieces of whatever he wants to hear, not me.

Maybe he thinks Josephus & Philo were also figments of history's imagination too?

Yes, let's fight facts with facts. LOL

Let's argue for no point whatsoever. LOL

After all, a house divided against itself WILL STAND and reveal the truth, according to Mr. Starfish.

mogel said...

Starfish said: "Deny deny deny - and since you are sincerely brainwashed - you will try to discredit everything by saying things like "oh put on the tin foil hats and blame it on the aliens" nonsense won't work for those who truly are able to use their critical thinking skills or using outright lies or tell of of a literal story from the Bible. People like you run around telling people that the dinosaurs didn't exist and that people from the Old Testament lives 400 years. Moron. Mogel... M = Moron."
No, none of that applies to me. I suggest take a prozac & call me in the morning.

mogel said...

Starfish said: "This sort of nonsensical perversion of thought is on the same exact level of intelligence required to submit to the literal world of Bible and end up so confused you sound like a lunatic, so intoxicated with the "Word" you alter your life in ways that only leave you deprived and EATS AWAY AT YOUR CRITICAL-THINKING SKILLS and ability to question, use logic and reason; a slave you submit.
No offense to the god, "Amen" though.

mogel said...

Starfish said: "Mogel, my friend, this is the great part! There is most CERTAINLY a soul. My man, the truth (also revealed in the Gnostic texts) is reincarnation".
Yes that is hard to swallow, to think that I was once a man & in the next life I will become possibly a STARFISH?

Starfish Prime said...

son of a prophet said lol! take a good look ...[at] the EYE OF HORUS and what do you see??

(btw-the eye of horus is the eye on the back of the one dollar bill)


Actually, funny you mention. You've heard the story about how the country was founded by Christians... but who ELSE also sought refuge from religious persecution in America? You all want to see a movie? Another token of truth? Learn the "secret" about America you weren't taught in school.. check it out at this link!

Starfish Prime said...

mogel said: Never mind that he taught that he was ALSO the Son of God.

You'll believe anything you read as long as the Vatican gives its seal of approval as far as your concerned.

Starfish Prime said...

You, Mogel, read only from the Authorized Bible. And boy is it sure authorized. Never mind all the other parallels drawn that discredit your position.

I'll get to Josephus & Philo tomorrow... too tired.

Starfish Prime said...

From a distance of 2000 years Jesus Christ appears in glorious technicolor, a veritable rainbow of the power and the glory. Every child "knows" his story, every individual "recognizes" his slender frame, his flowing chestnut hair, his kindly blue eyes. But up close and personal our superhero evaporates into the ether, a phantom that leaves no trace upon the paper, no imprint in the historical record. Not only does no one notice Jesus during his supposed lifetime; Jesus notices nothing of the wider world into which he makes his spectral appearance.

As for Christianity's audacious claim that its hero introduced something new into ethics and morality, that assertion is wholly fallacious. Long before any mythical Nazarene had epithets of wisdom put into his mouth, other – real, yet mortal – philosophers taught a morality of brotherly love and human compassion. Christianity merely sequestered and then ignored those ideals.

The "witnesses" who saw and heard nothing...

As it happens, we have an excellent witness to events in Judaea and the Jewish diaspora in the first half of the first century AD: Philo of Alexandria (c25 BC-47 AD).

Philo was an old man when he led an embassy from the Jews to the court of Emperor Gaius Caligula. The year was 39-40 AD. Philo clearly, then, lived at precisely the time that "Jesus of Nazareth" supposedly entered the world to a chorus of angels, enthralled the multitudes by performing miracles, and got himself crucified.

Philo was also in the right place to give testimony of a messianic contender. A Jewish aristocrat and leader of the large Jewish community of Alexandria, we know that Philo spent time in Jerusalem (On Providence) where he had intimate connections with the royal house of Judaea. His brother, Alexander the "alabarch" (chief tax official), was one of the richest men in the east, in charge of collecting levies on imports into Roman Egypt.

Alexander's great wealth financed the silver and gold sheathing which adorned the doors of the Temple (Josephus, War 5.205). Alexander also loaned a fortune to Herod Agrippa I (Antiquities 18).

One of Alexander's sons, and Philo's nephews, Marcus, was married to Berenice, daughter of Herod Agrippa, tetrarch of Galilee and Peraea, 39-40. After the exile of Herod Antipas – villain of the Jesus saga – he ruled as King of the Jews, 41-44 AD. Another nephew was the "apostate" Julius Alexander Tiberius, Prefect of Egypt and also Procurator of Judaea itself (46-48 AD).

Much as Josephus would, a half century later, Philo wrote extensive apologetics on the Jewish religion and commentaries on contemporary politics. About thirty manuscripts and at least 850,000 words are extant. Philo offers commentary on all the major characters of the Pentateuch and, as we might expect, mentions Moses more than a thousand times.

Yet Philo says not a word about Jesus, Christianity nor any of the events described in the New Testament. In all this work, Philo makes not a single reference to his alleged contemporary "Jesus Christ", the godman who supposedly was perambulating up and down the Levant, exorcising demons, raising the dead and causing earthquake and darkness at his death.

With Philo's close connection to the house of Herod, one might reasonably expect that the miraculous escape from a royal prison of a gang of apostles (Acts 5.18,40), or the second, angel-assisted, flight of Peter, even though chained between soldiers and guarded by four squads of troops (Acts 12.2,7) might have occasioned the odd footnote. But not a murmur. Nothing of Agrippa "vexing certain of the church" or killing "James brother of John" with the sword (Acts 12.1,2).

Strange, but only if we believe Jesus and his merry men existed and that they established the church. If we recognize that the Christian fable was still at an early stage of development when Philo was pondering the relationship of god and man, there is nothing strange here at all.

What is very significant, however, is that Philo's theological speculations helped the Christians fabricate their own notions of a godman.

Where did they get their ideas from?

Mocking Jesus – or Agrippa?

The mocking of a real Jewish king
The death of the Herod the Great's son, Philip, in 34 AD, left the tetrarchy of Panias and Batanaea without a local king. In 39, Caligula sent Herod Antipas, tetrarch of Galilee and Peraea, into exile. Caligula now turned to Herod the Great's grandson, Herod Agrippa, for a client king and Agrippa was made ruler of all the Jewish lands apart from Judaea.

On the voyage home from Rome, this new King of the Jews, stopped over in Alexandria where his presence in the city provoked anti-Jewish riots. Agrippa became the target of ridicule and lampoon.

Philo described the course of events in his work named for the anti-Jewish governor of Egypt, Flaccus. His work was familiar to the early Christians when decades after his death they composed the gospels. One passage of Flaccus contains a curious pre-figuring of several famous verses found in the Gospels.

But then the Lord moves in curious ways.

The Works of Philo Judaeus – Flaccus, VI.

(36) There was a certain madman named Carabbas ... this man spent all this days and nights naked in the roads, minding neither cold nor heat, the sport of idle children and wanton youths;

(37) and they, driving the poor wretch as far as the public gymnasium, and setting him up there on high that he might be seen by everybody, flattened out a leaf of papyrus and put it on his head instead of a diadem, and clothed the rest of his body with a common door mat instead of a cloak and instead of a sceptre they put in his hand a small stick of the native papyrus which they found lying by the way side and gave to him;

(38) and when, like actors in theatrical spectacles, he had received all the insignia of royal authority, and had been dressed and adorned like a king, the young men bearing sticks on their shoulders stood on each side of him instead of spear-bearers, in imitation of the bodyguards of the king, and then others came up, some as if to salute him, and others making as though they wished to plead their causes before him, and others pretending to wish to consult with him about the affairs of the state.

(39) Then from the multitude of those who were standing around there arose a wonderful shout of men calling out Maris!; and this is the name by which it is said that they call the kings among the Syrians; for they knew that Agrippa was by birth a Syrian, and also that he was possessed of a great district of Syria of which he was the sovereign;


27:26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

27:27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.

27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.

27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!

Philo: author of Christianity?

"Now the image of God is the Word, by which all the world was made."
– Philo, "The Special Laws", I (81)

Philo was an eclectic philosopher who borrowed freely from the Platonists, Stoics and Cynics. Yet he remained tenaciously loyal to his Jewish faith, and regarded Mosaic scripture as a source not only of religious revelation, but also of the philosophic truths propounded by the Greeks.

According to Philo, the Greek philosophers had "borrowed from Moses" and had received their insights from the God of the Jews. To substantiate this dubious claim Philo found subtle and obscure nuances in the biblical sagas. Simply put, the wisdom of the Greeks was to be found entire within the books of Moses – all that one had to discern was the "hidden meaning" of words that, to the uninitiated, patently had no bearing on Greek philosophy. Philo was thus able to preserve the arrogant superiority of the Jews who in reality had been subsumed into the Greek world.

How did a transcendent God communicate with the world? Here, a term from the Stoics proved most useful. According to Philo, "Logos" – Greek for "word" or "reason"– equated to divine reason. The Logos or Word emanated from the ineffable God and communicated with his creations. Thus it was the Logos that spoke to Moses from the burning bush, and it was the Logos that infused the righteous High Priest. When one experienced religious ecstasy it was because the Logos had entered one's own soul.

Philo defined the curious nature of God's intermediary thus:

"And the Father who created the universe has given to his archangelic and most ancient Word a pre-eminent gift, to stand on the confines of both, and separated that which had been created from the Creator.

And this same Word is continually a suppliant to the immortal God on behalf of the mortal race, which is exposed to affliction and misery; and is also the ambassador, sent by the Ruler of all, to the subject race.

And the Word rejoices in the gift, and, exulting in it, announces it and boasts of it, saying, 'And I stood in the midst, between the Lord and You; neither being uncreated as God, nor yet created as you, but being in the midst between these two extremities ... For I will proclaim peaceful intelligence to the creation from him who has determined to destroy wars, namely God, who is ever the guardian of peace.' "

– Philo, Who is the Heir of Divine Things? 42.205-6.

The "Word" made "Flesh"

When the works of Philo were studied by early Christian theorists (the Alexandrian school of Clement, Origen, etc.) not just the construct of the Logos but the "allegorical method" proved a godsend: the Old Testament presaged not merely Greek wisdom but the Christian godman himself! Thus the scripture of the Jews could be scoured for subtle clues supposedly prophesying a saviour in human form.

Again, Philo pointed the way:

"And even if there be not as yet any one who is worthy to be called a son of God, nevertheless let him labour earnestly to be adorned according to his first-born word, the eldest of his angels, as the great archangel of many names; for he is called, the authority, and the name of God, and the Word, and man according to God's image, and he who sees Israel."

– Philo, "On the Confusion of Tongues," (146)

Philo was himself undoubtedly influenced by ancient notions of Hermes Trismegistos ('thrice greatest' Hermes), a Hellenized version of the Egyptian god Thoth – a god of wisdom and a guide to the afterlife.

Philo knew nothing of Jesus but when, a century after Philo's death, the Christians were historicizing their godman from preconceived notions of what the Saviour should be, they borrowed freely from Philo's work. Thus the Christian apologist Justin Martyr multiplexed "divine reason" into the myriad forms that populate the landscape of Christian theology:

"I shall give you another testimony, my friends," said I, "from the Scriptures, that God begat before all creatures a Beginning, a certain rational power from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos."

– Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, LXI – Wisdom is begotten of the father, as fire from fire.

About the same time that Justin was finessing "God's Wisdom" into human form, the author of John's Gospel combined the opening phrase of Genesis with the speculations of Philo's logos to produce the famous opening verse of his gospel.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
– John, 1.1.

Bringing Philo on Message

In the 4th century so impressed was Church propagandist Eusebius by Philo's descriptions of the Therapeutae (Hellenized Jewish Buddhists of Alexandria) that the church historian decided the Therapeutae were in fact early Christian monks. As for Philo himself, Eusebius cheerfully disregarded chronology and credibility and had the grand old Jewish philosopher reading the (as yet, unwritten) gospels and epistles – and conversing with Peter in Rome!

"It seems likely [Philo] wrote this after listening to their expositions of the Holy Scriptures, and it is very probable that what he calls short works by their early writers were the gospels, the apostolic writings, and in all probability passages interpreting the old prophets, such as one contained in the Epistle to the Hebrews and several others of Paul's epistles.

It is also recorded that under Claudius, Philo came to Rome to have conversations with Peter, then preaching to the people there ... It is plain enough that he not only knew but welcomed with whole-hearted approval the apostolic men of his day, who it seems were of Hebrew stock and therefore, in the Jewish manner, still retained most of their ancient customs."
– Eusebius (The History of the Church, p50,52).

Philo played a major role in the Hellenization of Hebrew scripture, unwittingly preparing the ground for an upstart heresy to supplant and marginalize the ancestral religion he set out to defend. The fate of his co-religionist Josephus was to become a bogus witness to Christ – but Philo himself was rendered a closet Christian!

Starfish Prime said...

Was there a Jesus? A man, yes - some called him Rabbi Jesus. And he had a bother too I believe. What he the man described in your Bible as God true Son? Nope. (Think Francis Bacon = Shakespeare)

Between the era of the Maccabees and Bar Kochba's war (approximately 160 BC to 135 AD) the increasingly radicalised factions of the Jews were animated by an expected warrior/priest (or perhaps a warrior and a priest) who would lead the 'nation of Israel' in triumph. The expectation was thus of someone in the (imminent) future, no doubt of 'Davidic' or even 'divine' lineage but otherwise, human.

This monumental hope/expectation was equalled only by the monstrous calamities of 69-73, 114-117 and 132-135. Respectively, these three conflicts:

1. destroyed the Temple, its priesthood, the city of Jerusalem and Judaean 'temple-economy';

2. destroyed, impoverished, enslaved and disheartened Jews of the 'diaspora';

3. destroyed dozens of towns and hundreds of villages throughout Palestine, decimating the Jewish population and leading to the enslavement of tens of thousands.

With this in mind, we should not relate Mark to a spurious 'persecution of Christians by Nero' (a reasoning favoured by Christian writers) – but to the very real suffering of a whole nation. Judaism itself was against the wall. The weakness of its position had been exposed. The Hebrew god had always punished his chosen people because they had failed him: they had not obeyed the Law. But always the Jews had redeemed themselves – and lived to transgress again. But in 135 Judaea was wiped off the map and the nation dispersed. For any individual Jew, the heart of the problem was that the 'covenant' was between the Jewish god and the whole nation of Israel. All had to observe Righteousness. The errors of one bad apple imperilled the whole people.

With the ultimate disaster of 135, for many unhappy Jews the theology of a 'national salvation' (or none at all) no longer gave hope. As Josephus said, God was now with the Romans. Josephus remained a Jew but reasoned the caesars were god's instrument of retribution. No doubt many despondent Jews apostatised and adopted one or other of the pagan faiths. At this low point, the need was thus created for a radical revision of the Jewish faith. The nation of Israel might perish but surely a 'way' could be found for the pious to save themselves? The answer was a new covenant between the individual and his god, for a path to a personal salvation –similar to that on offer from the pagan mysteries.


Where Did They Get Their Ideas From?
Crucifixion & "Resurrection"
from 'The Life' of Flavius Josephus

(aka Joseph ben Matthias)

"75. For when the siege of Jotapata was over, and I was among the Romans, I was kept with much care, by means of the great respect that Vespasian showed me...

(from) Alexandria, and was thence sent, together with Titus, to the siege of Jerusalem, and was frequently in danger of being put to death; while both the Jews were very desirous to get me under their power, in order to have me punished. And the Romans also, whenever they were beaten, supposed that it was occasioned by my treachery, and made continual clamours to the emperors, and desired that they would bring me to punishment, as a traitor to them...

Moreover, when the city Jerusalem was taken by force, Titus Caesar persuaded me frequently to take whatsoever I would of the ruins of my country...

... so I made this request to Titus, that my family might have their liberty: I had also the holy books by Titus's concession. Nor was it long after that I asked of him the life of my brother, and of fifty friends with him, and was not denied.

When I also went once to the temple, by the permission of Titus, where there were a great multitude of captive women and children, I got all those that I remembered as among my own friends and acquaintances to be set free, being in number about one hundred and ninety; and so I delivered them without their paying any price of redemption, and restored them to their former fortune.

And when I was sent by Titus Caesar with Cerealins, and a thousand horsemen, to a certain village called Thecoa, in order to know whether it were a place fit for a camp, as I came back, I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance.

I was very sorry at this in my mind, and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician's hands, while the third recovered."

Both Josephus and Philo recorded something of the real character of Pontius Pilate:

Philo describes Pilate as a man of "inflexible, stubborn, and cruel disposition" whose administration was characterised by "greed, violence, robbery, assault, abusive behaviour, frequent executions without trial, and endless savage ferocity." (Embassy to Gaius, 301-2)

Josephus confirms Philo's judgment, recording several episodes of Pilate's brutality and contempt for the Jews. In Judea "a great number" were slain protesting an aqueduct. In Samaria, "a great band of horsemen and foot-men ...fell upon those that were gotten together", an incident which provoked protests to Vitellius, Roman Legate of Syria.

Vitellius, rather more sensitive to geopolitical considerations, removed the Prefect who had plundered the province of Judea for a decade. Pilate returned to obscure retirement in Rome – blissfully unaware of the fame and infamy that awaited him.

neodemes said...

Someone posting as Scott sez:
Power is how He maintains His throne. He destroys His enemies with a wink and a nod.


Proverbs 10:10
He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.

Acts 17:30

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Proverbs 16:30
He who winks with his eye is plotting perversity;
he who purses his lips is bent on evil.

Speaking of prating fools, how's it goin' Starkist?

LOL. What a freak show.

Starfish Prime said...

neodemes said LOL What a freak show.

Yea great argument for the contrary too. Loser. Go ahead. Dig out some random piece of scripture a.k.a. allegory and combine it with another to fit your point of view entirely to humor me of your simple mind.

mogel said...

Starfish Prime said: "And my better judgment also tells me that they were both bitten by a little greed and took it a step too far (just on intuition I could be wrong) and any chance of hope has been dashed via greed $$$ $$$ $$$ (ISIS)."

Better judgment? Is that an oxymoron? Care to elaborate?

mogel said...

Starfish Prime said: "You'll believe anything you read as long as the Vatican gives its seal of approval as far as your concerned."
I think you'll believe anything you read, & no, the Vatican would be the last place I would look for the truth.

mogel said...

Starfish said: "You, Mogel, read only from the Authorized Bible."
Will you stop telling me what I do?
YOu are only embarassing yourself. I don't ONLY READ from the authorized Bible, whatever the "authorized Bible" is. I have mentioned "modern scripture" on many occasions which isn't considered a Bible or truth to most.

Starfish Prime said...

Goodbye Mogel and all the rest of ya. My work is done here. Mogel has been exposed as a shallow advocate of this stubborn belief system. I have better things to do. Those who choose to use deductive reasoning and common sense will see that the overwhealming evidence is in my favor.

neodemes said...

Starfish Prime said...

Goodbye Mogel and all the rest of ya. My work is done here. Mogel has been exposed as a shallow advocate of this stubborn belief system. I have better things to do. Those who choose to use deductive reasoning and common sense will see that the overwhealming evidence is in my favor.


I'm confident most of us SCROLLED ON PAST your crap.


oksurewhynot said...


If for some random reason you make it out of Camp Bad Boy, we're going to chat for as long as it takes.

You WILL hear about & be accountable for what you have done. You will make restitution.