Friday, February 09, 2007

Interview with a Vampire

Interesting the people you meet in jail. I make this comment because a fellow by the name of Lawrence Seiderfeld recently rolled into Dublin. Who is Laurence Seiderfeld you might ask? Well Mr. Seiderfeld was convicted a short time ago of mortgage fraud and was sentenced to 79 months for his crimes. He was the C.E.O. of a company called CHL Mortgage located in San Ramon, California. CHL had 12 branch offices; 11 between northern and southern California and 1 branch in Ohio. There were 250 employees between these branches and CHL was in business for a little over 6 years. The specific crime Mr. Seiderfeld was convicted of was double-selling the servicing rights of the loans CHL wrote. In fact he sold the servicing rights of these loans to 3 different servicers at various times. He openly admits to his guilt and because he cooperated with the government he will serve 6 years instead of 15. The commission of his crimes netted him an additional 8 to 13 million dollars. At least that is what the government claims the damages were.

Now you can imagine that I was eager to speak with Mr. Seiderfeld about banking and mortgages in general. Irregardless of his criminal activities he still has knowledge I could tap into as well as further confirm what Kurt and I already know about banking, mortgages specifically. At least that is what I believed when Mr. Seiderfeld agreed to allow me to ask him a few questions. I treated this interview as if I was examining a witness under oath on the stand. Also present for the questioning was Josh Wolf the reporter who is not charged with a crime but is being held as a hostage because he refuses to hand over a video tape to the FBI. You can read more about Josh at www.joshwolf.net. Josh just so happens to have the same Judge as we do. Generally speaking Mr. Seiderfeld displayed what I would consider a working knowledge of banking and the loan transaction. When I began to peel back the onion his answers became contradictory and his attitude somewhat defensive. However he did provide answers to some questions that were substantive and which demonstrated the disingenuous nature of the banks in the concealment of the actual facts of the loan transaction. What I found fascinating about our time together was even though I provided proof by way of statues and codes of what congress intended banks to behave like Mr. Seiderfeld was resistant to these facts. There were well over 100 questions asked in the first session and an additional 30 or so in the 2nd session. He grew weary of my questioning which I believe stemmed from his inability to reconcile the inconsistencies of his answers. For instance, Mr. Seiderfeld agreed that the promissory note is an asset and that asset belongs to the maker of the note. He agreed that the maker of the note was the purported borrower. So when I asked him if the borrower benefited from the selling of the note (not the same as servicing the note) he said “no,” because the note belonged to the bank. I asked how the bank got the rights, title and interest in the note if it belonged to the maker? Mr. Seiderfeld indicated, “when the bank issued the credit for the loan.” What Mr. Seiderfeld is completely ignorant of is that the servicing of the note is different than ownership of it. Nowhere in the mortgage contract or in the note itself is there a transfer of rights, title and interest. Therefore the sale of the note without the disclosure or benefit to the maker is fraud in concealment, fraud in factum and theft of an asset. This is very simple to understand and the banks hide it in plain sight. When I asked if it was unlawful or illegal to convey property into trust he indicated “no.” When asked if the trustees have a fiduciary obligation to protect the assets in trust he answered “yes!” When I asked if the trustees as fiduciaries challenging title to property, where such title or cloud on title was possibly unlawful or illegal, he stated “no.” However he indicated if his company was to have received our presentment they would have ignored it passing it off as unnecessary to respond to. I found this to be quite fascinating and very telling of why none of the banks or mortgage companies ever responded timely or properly to our presentment. I gave a copy of our presentment to Mr. Seiderfeld to read and he indicated that the contract was written clearly and there wasn’t anything in it that he didn’t understand. His only complaint was the amount of time we gave the banks and mortgage companies to respond. He thought it should have been more like 90 days instead of 10 days. When I pointed out that 3 days is the usual and customary time permitted he disagreed. Of course Mr. Seiderfeld was unable to quote from any code, statute or act to substantiate his “opinion.” Apparently he is unfamiliar with the expedious transaction act at Title 12 part 226.1 or the Truth in Lending Act at Title 31 part 226.1

At the conclusion of our time together I asked Mr. Seiderfeld if he believed we were making spurious requests upon the banks and mortgage companies and he indicate “no.” I also asked if he thought we would receive a fair trial to which he replied “no.” I asked if he would be willing to testify and he responded “yes.” That actually surprised me in light of his defensiveness. You may have noticed that I did not get into the treatment of the promissory note where it is converted from a promise to pay into a draft which created the credit that pays off the seller of the property, or that the deposit of the note allows the bank or mortgage company to subsidize additional “loans” visa-vi fractional banking. This is because Mr. Seiderfeld’s company was not a direct lender therefore his knowledge of the initial transaction was very limited in scope. I should also mention that Mr. Seiderfeld is 63 years old and has been in the business of finance for over 30 years. I discovered after the interview that Mr. Seiderfeld was convicted of similar crimes previously. I guess the love of money is the root of evil after all. I hope you enjoyed reading this as well as were enlightened by it. We thank you for your prayers and support. May God richly bless you. - Scott

84 comments:

Clueless Fudd said...

near the end said...
Well if you just believed someone's word; and did not do your HOMEWORK than you deserve to get FUCKED up the ASS and really if you think about it;

it's your dumbass fault; not Kurt or Scotts Fucker!!!

Quit trying to pass the Buck!!!

Don't worry; I only treat SHITHEADS like yourself;

Like this!!!


Leave tspit6969 alone. It's never his fault. He was supposedly leaving this blog a long time ago and on multiple occasions, but yet he returns to it like a heroin addict for a fix. And like all addicts they lie, cheat, and steal to get the next fix, and then blame it on their addiction, not their own doing.

This is tspit6969's character in a nutshell.

light1rae said...

Scott,

Thank you for the education on what we already knew but wanted to hear it from the lender's mouth directly.
I pray we do get a fair trial but know that when I went before 3 different judges on 10 different occassions they were anything but honorable to us... May our heavenly FATHER protect and bless you and Kurt during this trying time.
R&P:)

dgwondering said...

A delusional scam artist supposedly talking to a repeat offender scam artist behind bars.

Good stuff.

near the end said...

dgwondering; Please please don't post again it makes you look like such an IDIOT!!!

god said...

"A delusional scam artist supposedly talking to a repeat offender scam artist behind bars.

Good stuff. "

Scott posts factual information from an interview with a lender and this is the dumb ass response we get from dgwondering. Is that all you got man???? You're lookin dumber and dumber.

(I know i'm god and i shouldnt use the word ASS, but i'm sure you mortals can give me a pass on this one)

god said...

Besides, ASS is used in the Bible:)

dgwondering said...

Near the end you're SO MUCH closer to the end the sh** comes out of so you believe in this fantasy.

Why do you think Scott posts factual information? He's a scam artist and he's just still promoting the same bullsh** and you're still sucking it all in.

Save your time and go promote the next illegal version of the scam. Maybe you can get the liar Bryan Gashler to help you sell it.

Put a fork in this one its done.

dgwondering said...

LOL- the Wanta bullshit surfaces here too. You people are complete fools.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "A delusional scam artist supposedly talking to a repeat offender scam artist behind bars.
Good stuff."

"I (Scott) discovered after the interview, that Mr. Seiderfeld was convicted of similar crimes previously."
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So according to this, Mr. Seiderfeld is the "repeat offender", so Scott must be the "delusional scam artist" according to DG Wondering.

Wasn't there a competency hearing, or did DG Wondering miss that FACT?

Oh that's right, it's delusional because Scott gets his DOREAN theories confirmed by an expert, a man that has been in the mortgage lending business doing these things for 30 + years.

In the words, of Nemo, Mr. Wondering, you are a "fricken tard".

Nothing you say adds up or makes sense.

Who better to reveal and expose the lending fraud than a shifty lender? What's better than a willing expert WILLING TO TESTIFY. Who better to reveal the truth than a mortgage lender who has already been trampeled over by the government, who is already been convicted & has nothing to lose.

I will agree with you in one sense, Mr. Wondering, that is more than good stuff, that's GREAT STUFF.

The Lord will bring people together according to his will to fight this battle; as a matter of fact he already has & is still doing it according to his pleasure.

We already heard how the Lord had strengthened Scott. A miracle in & of itself. He not only can soften hearts, but he can also enlighten minds and give his Spirit in whatever powerful degree He delights in. We've seen that too.

mogel said...

DG Wondering: If you're going to insult me, can you please at least do me the kindness to spell my name correctly.

If that's too much to ask from someone who is illiterate, I apologize. LOL

son of a prophet said...

NOTE: The section on the Government-Sponsored Enterprises in the Federal Budget ‘Analytical Perspectives’ for FY2008 shows BLANK DATA TABLES (again) for the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) and the Federal Home Loan Bank System (FHLBanks), as was the case for the FY2007 edition.




BLANK? BLANK?? BLANK???


WAHT BLANK TABLES?

JUST FILL THEM IN WITH THE DG MONEY AND PAYOUT!!!!

LOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

son of a prophet said...

LOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"hey, mon, wot choo been smokin? goin' to mayheeco to get the good stuff?? heheheeeee......show me the money, mon. hey, don choo works faw teh feferal rejerve bonk? wot choo doin in mayheeco, mon?"



• 05 February; Associates of AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc. advise that two separate sources have reported that “high profile Federal Reserve Bankers have been detained while trying to cross the border into Mexico”. One source sent a communication to Senator Dodd (D-CT), and was promptly telephoned by an FBI agent and advised to cease activity relating to the border incident. It may emerge that the high-profile Federal Reserve bankers concerned are engaged in drug money laundering, as the Fed is known to be a drug money-infested operation.

son of a prophet said...

heheheheheeeeee.....goin to do loans in mayheeeco.....??????

mogel said...

Whataboutjere said: "willing accomplices doesnt concern you?"
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An accomplice to what specifically and how would you be an accomplice? Being an accomplice suggests a crime has been committed, so please describe & prove the crime in your fear scenario and then tell me how you are a willing accomplice in any act that so concerns you?

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Put a fork in this one its done."
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One things for sure, you're not a worthy consideration for any jury pool, and that's a FACT. A foremost consideration is to have an "open mind", not one that is closed.

KYHOOYA said...

neodemes said...
near the end -

just what the world needs, another anonymous coward getting his rocks off behind a keyboard.

frickin''tard

9:08 PM

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So That would make you to be one as well ,Right?

frickin''turd

neodemes said...

I can help you straighten this out, moogie.

"Maybe you can get the liar Byron Gashler to help you sell it."

No need to thank me.

;-)

neodemes said...

kaflooie sez:

"So That would make you to be one as well ,Right?"

Wrong, Sherlock. The key is ANONYMOUS - like you, for instance - get it?

whataboutjere said...

Byron Gashler, Judge judy said it so ask her, all I did was ask someone relevant like Kurt and Scott to validate the possiblity being that they ARE the feduciaries of our trusts and should have an indication of the matter at hand.

I didnt ask Mr I got employee of the week and a blog posted about me so now I can speculate opinions about everything making people think that cause I wrote and spun the shit out of something, I know it all. Quit trying to answer my questions with questions Dr spin master.

~~The Swami~~~ said...

god said...

(I know i'm god and i shouldnt use the word ASS, but i'm sure you mortals can give me a pass on this one)





god, I noticed you used the word ASS in all Caps. Are you telling us in some secret code that a DONKEY can use his straw man?

~~The Swami~~~ said...

god, will I ever meet Brooke Burke? Can I be her straw man?

mogel said...

Nemo: I don't think your literacy skills will do any good, I complained at least once before & Dog Breath Wondering keeps mispelling my name, so he must not be talking about me after all.

Like all his bad habits, he's consistent and unchanging & keeps saying the same things like a broken record. So I can't thank you, because it is a persistant problem that never is resolved. I'll bet he'll mispell my name even another time. Watch & see. That's how observant and perceptive he is.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "You people" are complete fools.
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Yes that's right genius! One person posts, and everyone immediately that reads this blog is automatically a believer of everything CONTAINED in the Wanta Story.

There's a fool, and there's a "complete fool". "Witcha didcha" mean, by that there difference partner? How fascinating to think that you are perceptive enought to tell the difference between a fool and a complete one. How much experience to you have in "fooldom'?

Here's a COMPLETE name, can you spell it fool? Byron ??????

If you are a "omplete fool," I apologize for not giving you your complete recognition of status.

"And I didn't have sex with THAT WOMAN" EITHER."

"That woman", "You people".
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

If you're going to tell lies, at least sound stupid enough, so when you get caught in your lies, people will have more sympathy for you,
when you tell them you're sorry after you get caught and are found out. That's called, "mitigating circumstances." "Mental defect" LOL

mogel said...

Nemo said: "Maybe you can get the liar Byron Gashler to help you sell it."
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Nemo, I'm not interested in getting the liar, DG Wondering, in trying to sell anything fraudulent.

Course, maybe Nemo, you can get the liar and talk him into it? I'm not really interested in a scheme, nor do I think I can get the liar to do anything. After all, DG Wondering IS KIND OF HARD TO GET. He's a complete salesman. I was going to say "no pun intended", but maybe in this case, it was intended.

mogel said...

Whataboutjere said: "all I did was ask someone relevant like Kurt and Scott to validate the possiblity being that they ARE the feduciaries of our trusts and should have an indication of the matter at hand.
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No, K&S aren't the "feduciaries". The "feduciaries" are the bad guys, they are the one's looking after the interests of government, the FEDS and the banking interests. FED...uciaries. Look it up in Webster's dictionary if you don't believe me. I looked up the word, "feduciaries" and it said: "See Judge Alsup".

K&S are the "fiduciaries" of the client's trusts. Huge difference!!!

near the end said...

Nemo or your real name "BRUCE W. MACOMBER"

Why won't you answer the question as to why you screwed all those people out of there money by fileing "BANKRUPTCY."

DO YOU MAKE A HABIT OF THIS?

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

ARE BALD AND LONELY AS WELL AS BROKE?

COME ON AND ANSWER; "MY "LITTLE BALD HEADED FRIEND."

dgwondering said...

Hey too near the end genius guess which of your heroes also filed bankruptcy?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
If that's too much to ask from someone who is illiterate, I apologize. LOL

Is is too much to ask for you to validate the fact that you are wrong (as usual) about the dorean group having money to fight to foe? "LOL"

See moogie, h. fred johnson will not release information to everyone about stuff that can not be found out publicly, for themselves, so this type of information will not be disclosed. It's kind of like "selective" disclosure of informtation by the dorean camp. And as stated previously, proves you don't have a clue about what's REALLY going on. ALL of your OPINIONS is based off of your own illiteracy of law or information from h. fred that is "pick and choose" what to release. "LOL"

"LOL" "LOL" "LOL" "LOL" "LOL"

whataboutjere said...

Thanks Byron, you just proved your spelling abilities far exceed the lesser of us posters, spelling b champ.

Mr employee of the week, that is exactly what I said and meant. Do I need to go back through your posts to nit pick all your mis-spellings park ranger?

whataboutjere said...

Hey spelling b champ, did you also ridicule dr fred when he craftly used the term "eminent" when he USED to write of "immanent" settlements in his updates? lol If you need help with the difference, let me know.

This post has been removed by the author said...

Mr.Seidenfeld is a crook.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=7on_your_side&id=3683449

Tony Tuba said...

Am I missing something sop? The house rule 2778 that you posted is below and has nothing to do with what your world report guy is talking about.


Description of present law, H.R. 2778, and an amendment in the nature of a substitute relating to tax relief for peacekeeping personnel in the former Yugoslavia scheduled for markup by the House Committee on Ways and Means on February 28, 1996

son of a prophet said...

"Am I missing something sop? The house rule 2778 that you posted is below and has nothing to do with what your world report guy is talking about.


i dont know???

thats why i was asking what it meant myself?

if it means that the banks will all be closed and and a run on the banks like 1932 would occur.

maybe that world report guy is full of s**t.

and this icj warrants wich seem to be worth as much as the paper they printed on.....


they cant even arrest a rabbbit.......LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!

near the end said...

dgwondering, That's pretty low bringing my father into this;

Being that he can't defend himself.

After he died all his debts were paid out.

How would you even know that; MOTHERFUCKER!!!

son of a prophet said...

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A former FBI agent and another film maker document the evil past of William Jefferson 'Bly' Clinton. Involved in selling tainted AIDS blood, ordering the destruction of Pastor Tony Alamo and close to so many mysterious deaths, Clinton remains untouchable as one of the main Vatican-New World Order minions.

By Greg Szymanski

10 Feb 2007

wantobefree said...

Well its been about 7 months since ive been on here and it still looks like a bunch of bullshit as it was 7 months ago,im starting to wonder how most of you people make a living cause its obvious you have no life.Unless your like that scam artist Gashler and his buddies from dorean that wont be out of prison til about 2035 are you going to talk bullshit for the next 30 yrs.Im curious have they lied lately telling everybody that they will be getting money back just to keep peoples hopes up.No sorry I cant stand going back and reading all the crap that comes out of Gashlers mouth i can just imagine it.Dont worry all the asses out there it will probly be another 6 months before i come here,see im working 60-70hrs a week,hopefully by the end of this year I can get the family and I back into a home of our own again and get out of this 1 bedroom apt,no thanks to Dorean,before you smartass come out of the wood work I know its all my fault to listen to someone that said give us your money for mortgage elimination its guranteed weve already elimated 1,000s what the fuck everIve been scammed and excepted that fact see ya losers

son of a prophet said...

"....hopefully by the end of this year I can get the family and I back into a home of our own again and get out of this 1 bedroom apt,no thanks to Dorean,before you



hang on a bit b-4 you buy you house.

shorlty you will be able to buy a 5 bedroom house fo p-nuts


soon 75% of the houses in the US will soon be in 4-closur and you can "buy 'em chaep"


u wont need the dg for yo mtg.

you can buy it cash, they will be so cheep.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: Hey too near the end genius guess which of your heroes also filed bankruptcy?
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The purpose of the bankruptcy filing was a defense to stop the unlawful eviction, not to beat anyone out of a legitimate debt. Big difference. Besides if the FBI hadn't FIRST confiscated Dorean's operating funds, the bankruptcy filing wouldn't have happened & wouldn't have been necessary to file. The FBI should have paid the rent payment, they did not. The monies were there to pay the office rent due.

The bankruptcy may have been withdrawn anyway since the eviction was not stayed, (the whole purpose of the bankruptcy), so I'm not so sure the bankruptcy would even show up on any credit reports anyway.

In other words, I don't believe anything was ever discharged or finalized, so the filing had no legal long term effects, so what's your point?

mogel said...

Justice said: "Is is too much to ask for you to validate the fact that you are wrong (as usual) about the dorean group having money to fight to foe? "LOL"
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When the government took Dorean monies, and seized about 4 or so business bank accounts, they printed it in the newspapers, even the exact amount that was taken. If you are saying monies offshore were taken, why hasn't this been worthy of press release too? Wouldn't it be a bigger story since more money is involved here? And when did this supposedly happen and how did it happen as you alleged? How can monies be taken offshore without the cooperation of the offshore bank? The newspapers printed how much the FBI took on all of the domestic accounts where they have jurisdiction. No one from Dorean controls the press. Isn't the FBI's jurisdiction offshore limited if not nonexistant?

Also, in the court complaint or maybe in the affidavit of Mathew Ernst's, it stated how money was transferred from offshore to onshore accounts & how much was in the offshore account, which is also public record. So if things have changed, since then, since all the domestic accounts were seized, doesn't it seem reasonable to say any offshore bank seizure would have been published in public record somewhere too? And if that's true, than by your own logic, Dr. Fred would have updated this huge offense too, since it was public record. The FBI somehow knew exactly how much was there in the offshore account since they did publish numbers.

It's not my account, so how do you expect me to prove anything as far as monies still being there?

You were the one that says Dorean was broke. If you can't prove that, then, why should anyone believe you? You named no source and provided no proof of your claim other than a statement. In essence, you have given up to prove anything.

I told you I was listening & keeping an open mind on this subject. The balls in your court. Are you going to hit the ball back or are you going to let it go right past you?

Unless you can substantiate anything further, I have no reason at this point in time to change my mind on this issue.

Course assuming you are correct, if they are Broke, then that makes no incentive for any Civil lawsuits against the Dorean Group, down the road, now does it? So an insolvency status, also answers your need for you & your ilk to know about how the unclean hands doctrine fits into all of this and what rights clients or agents actually have. The answer is, it's a moot point. In other words, why would anyone file a claim if it's uncollectable.

son of a prophet said...

Post #: 405
Date: 09/16/1999 12:50:00 PM
Subject: MONEY: The Credit River Decision, December 7, 1968 - Exposing the FRAUD!

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Reply-To: "CCW" ccw@wolfenet.com
From: "CCW" ccw@wolfenet.com

Subject: MONEY: The Credit River

Decision, December 7, 1968 -

Exposing the FRAUD!
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:32:46 -0700

To Whom it may concern:

Posted below here are two letters giving a brief synopsis by Minnesota Attorney Jerome Daly, concerning his "Credit River Decision" from December 7, 1968. I have a complete transcript of this case, including the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law, as well as Jerome Daly's scathing letter to the members of the Bar, to whom Jerome refers to as "The Boys in the Back Room." The letter is addressed to Patrick Foley, U.S. Attorney for Minnesota on December 27, 1968, and follows below here, in addition to Jerome's "Introduction" letter. Further below my e-mail signature line is a letter from Bill Drexler, who was an associate Justice in the Jerome Daly case in Minnesota, which you should find VERY interesting.

I had a chance to meet and confer with Jerome Daly in 1991, when he assisted me with an unlawful foreclosure on my home in Puyallup. That case is not over yet. At that time he was living out in California. He drafted some of the legal documents on my behalf. The brief he prepared in support of my position will knock your socks off. One of these days I'll post it with attachments, because it does take a "picture" to explain the fraud. If any of you still have Federal Reserve Notes, circa 1920's through the 1960's, you know what I'm talking about. And if you research and read Public Law 90-269 of March 18, 1968 followed by the Legislative History of Public Law 94-564, and the contents of Public Law 95-147 on October 28, 1977, you will begin to understand the FRAUD that has been perpetrated by the Congress of the United States upon the People of this Nation.

Public Officials need to be held STRICTLY accountable to their Oath of Office and the Law of the Land. In my case, a certain Court Commissioner and a Superior Court Judge are yet to be prosecuted for their fraudulent perpetrations. Sometimes the wheels of "Justice" move slowly - but they will ONLY move when forced to do so by the Citizenry—"We the People"—who hold ALL the power over our ordained and established Constitution, Bill of Rights, and proper Organs of Government through Delegated Powers and Authority to Act on OUR behalf.

Perhaps after reading this you'll begin to understand why those who are enlightened to the fraud try to deal in Coin, as it is the ONLY medium of exchange specifically authorized under the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 & 6, and Article I, Section 10, as well as the Coinage Act of 1792, neither of which has ever been repealed, notwithstanding the fraudulent assertions otherwise by the totally compromised and corrupted Congress and Legislatures. As the Maxim of Law states, "Fraud and Justice never dwell together." And it should be remarked here that thanks to Congressman Philip M. Crane, you NOW have Gold and Silver Coin pursuant to Public Law 99-61 (July 9, 1985) and Public Law 99-185 (December 17, 1985). These two Public Laws made it possible for the minting and distribution of American Gold Eagles and Silver Eagles, available at your local Coin shop.

Everyone should have some real "money" in their possession; but you need to know that your PAPER Federal Reserve Note with $1 printed on it won't buy a One Dollar Silver Eagle -- you'll have to give about $8.00 to $9.00 FRN's for the REAL "Dollar". Read Public Law 90-269 and you'll understand why. The paper FRN and the Silver dollar should be at "parity". By the way, "FRAUD" stands not only for the crime, but "Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Device".

Mr. Daly passed away a couple of years ago . . . but his Credit River Decision lives on, even though the members of the Bar have sought to suppress this case from public view. It is probably fitting to insert here Jerome's "Introduction" letter of February 7, 1969, as well as a copy of the letter to the US Attorney on December 27, 1968, so you have some idea of the gravity of what occurred, and before you read what Bill Drexler, a friend of Jerome, wrote below my signature line. I quote herein the two letters, as follows:


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Jerome Daly
Attorney at Law
28 East Minnesota Street
Savage, Minnesota 55378

February 7, 1969

INTRODUCTION

On May 8, 1964 the writer executed a Note and Mortgage to the First National Bank of Montgomery, Minnesota, which is a member of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. Both Banks are private owned and are a part of the Federal Reserve Banking System.

In the Spring of 1967 the writer was in arrears $476.00 in the payments on this Note and Mortgage. The Note was secured by a Mortgage on real property in Spring Lake Township in Scott County, Minnesota. The Bank foreclosed by advertisement and bought the property at a Sheriff's Sale held on June 26, 1967 and did not redeem with the 12 month period of time allotted by law after the Sheriff's Sale.

The Bank brought the Action to recover the possession to the property in the Justice of the Peace Court at Savage, Minnesota. The first 2 Justices were disqualified by Affidavit of Prejudice. The first by the writer and the Second by the Bank. A third one refused to handle the case. It was then sent, pursuant to law, to Martin V. Mahoney, Justice of the Peace, Credit River Township, Scott County, Minnesota, who presided at a Jury trial on December 7, 1968. The Jury found the Note and Mortgage to be void for failure of a lawful consideration and refused to give any validity to the Sheriff's Sale. Verdict was for the writer with costs in the amount of $75.00.

The president of the Bank admitted that the Bank created the money and credit upon its own books by which it acquired or gave as consideration for the Note; that this was standard banking practice, that the credit first came into existence when they created it; that he knew of no United States Statutes which gave them the right to do this. This is the universal practice of these Banks. The Justice who heard the case handed down the opinion attached and included herein. Its reasoning is sound. It will withstand the test of time. This is the first time the question has been passed upon in the United States. I predict that this decision will go into the History Books as one of the great Documents of American History. It is a huge cornerstone wrenched from the temple of Imperialism and planted as one of the solid foundation stones of Liberty.

/s/ JEROME DALY
SAVAGE, MINNESOTA


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Jerome Daly
Attorney At Law
28 East Savage Street
Savage, Minnesota 55378

December 27, 1968

Mr. Patrick Foley
United states Attorney for Minnesota
United States Court House Bldg.
Minneapolis, Minnesota

Re: First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Jerome Daly

Sir:

As you are on my mailing list, at your request, attached kindly find 2 copies of a decision rendered at Credit River Twp. Justice of the Peace court on December 9, 1968 by Justice Martin V. Mahoney, who by occupation is not dependent upon the fraudulent Federal Reserve Mob for his sustenance; thus he was able to view the whole fraud, which is Global in scope, with a mind in the settled calmness of impartiality, disinterestedness, and fairness, in keeping with his Oath and with a completely friendly feeling toward the Constitution of the United States of America.

In truth and in fact the Justice of the Peace Court is the highest Court in the land as it is the closest to the People. Every Judge who is dependent upon this fraudulent Federal Reserve, National and State Banking System for his sole support is DISQUALIFIED because of self interest and had no jurisdiction to sit in review of this Judgment. If any Appellate Court, including the Supreme Court of the United States, in review of this Judgment, perpetrates a fraud upon the People by defying the Constitutional Law of the United States, Mahoney has resolved that he will convene another Jury in Credit River Township to try the issue of the Fraud on the part of any State or Federal Judge, and in an action on my part to recover the possession if the Jury decides in my favor, the Constable and the Citizens Militia of Credit River Township will, pursuant to the Law, deliver me back into possession. So you see, this Justice of the Peace can keep the peace in Scott County, Minnesota, not with the help of these State and Federal Judges who have fled reality, but in spite of them. Thus Thomas Jefferson's prophesy with reference to Chattel Slavery once again rings true; "God's Justice will not sleep forever.". (emphasis added - now you may understand one of the lawful purposes of the Militia!)

One wonders sometimes what the United States, and its leaders, including the Shylock usury element, did to bring on a Peal Harbor Attack on December 7, 1941, with such suddenness and devastation. It could be the Judgment of a Just God giving vent to a stored wrath in retaliation to the money changers. It is ironic in deed that the Jury should return its verdict on the same day 27 years later and the National and International Banking and Oil Mob shudder in their back rooms where they have cornered the money of the World and where they sit pulling the strings; fostering, conniving and perpetrating War with profit to themselves paid for by the blood, sweat, tears and toil of the farmer, the mechanic, the laborer and the humbler members of society; and well they might tremble, for, as they listen they can hear, with every increasing distinctness, the sound of the waves at low tide as they wash across the lonely decks of the U.S.S. Arizona with over 2,500 men entombed in her hold, with oil still seeping therefrom to the surface.

It is better to be charitable than miserly, honest than dishonest, direct than indirect, upright than underhanded, intelligent than unintelligent, to have courage than be a coward, to be free than slave, in body and in mind.

I remain,

Quite Independently Yours,

/s/ Jerome Daly

P.S. Give my best wishes for a New Year to the Boys in the Back Room.

J.D.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ICE
To: ice-bucket@egroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:11 AM
Subject: The Credit River Decision

From: JDre105140@aol.com
(Note to Jerry Bookout)

Jerome Daly was from Savage Minn. and a close friend of mine. I will try to find the "Credit River" decision for You, where a jury in a Justice of the Peace court trial found that Federal Reserve Notes were not Moneys of Account of the United States and the court in his opinion found them to be 'FRAUDS'.

This case was on Dec. 7, 1968 before Justice Martin V. Mahoney of Credit River Minn. and I was an associated Justice since Justice Mahoney had never tried a jury trial and I was asked by "Chief Justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, Oscar Knutson, (commonly known as "King Knute") to assist Justice Mahoney, since the Bank of Montgomery was represented by an attorney, and Jerome Daly was an attorney, and the case was about "Failure of consideration by a bank in a mortgage foreclosure on Jerome's cabin at Prior Lake, Minn.. Justice Mahoney declared that only "Gold and Silver Coins" were moneys of account of the United States, and that the Constitution is still the LAW today. "No state shall make any "THING" but Gold and Silver Coin a tender in payment of debts..."

And of course since the Federal Government had been given only 18 to 20 powers under the Constitution it was a "Limited Government", and according to the 9th and 10th amendments the states and the people were Sovereign, and retained for themselves all of the other rights not specifically given to the Feds.

When news of the jury's decision was picked up by Vern Myers and written about in his newsletter, "Myers Finance and Commerce" and sent world wide the whole world was afraid to accept FRAUDS and it got so big that they had Justice Mahoney killed within 6 months and Jerome and I had a couple of close calls too.

I've published the book< "The Credit River Decision" for 20 years now, but sold my last copy about 6 months ago, since like Waco, no one was interested in it after the Govt put their "SPIN DOCTORS' to work to try to discredit it.

This like the "Special Appearance" really needs to be studied to learn the real truth about our "Funny Money" system of creating Money "Out of thin Air" by the Banksters.

During the trial, on cross examination the president of the "Bank of Montgomery" testified that the banks regularly "create money out of thin air."

Jerome asked the bank president, "If you were just opening up your bank and no one had yet made a deposit, and I came into your bank, and wanted to take out a loan of $18,000.00, could you loan me that money. When the bank president said, "Yes" I thought the jury would faint. Jerome than said , "Does this mean that you can create money out of thin air?" and the bank president said "yes, we can create money out of thin air." Justice Mahoney then said "IT SOUNDS LIKE FRAUD TO ME" and everybody in the court room nodded their heads indicating that they agreed with Justice Mahoney.

The jury went out and returned a verdict in favor of Jerome Daly on the basis that the Federal Reserve Notes were not legal and valid consideration for a mortgage note contract.

Those that have a copy of "The Credit River Decision" just won't part with it, and it's too expensive to print just a few copies, so I really don't know where you'll get a copy.

Good luck on your case, and I hoped that I helped you a little.

Bill Drexler


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son of a prophet said...

whre did the word "fraud" came from????



"FRAUD" stands not only for the crime, but "Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Device".

son of a prophet said...

is this the same maloney judge that shortly after his decision, the ptb put the "hit" on him???

mogel said...

For DG Wondering & Judge Beanhead:

Here is another expert witness for you that says that the "vapour money theory" that Judge Alsup calls make believe, is actually true. Judge Alsup's decisions are void because he lied and knew it & his decisions are based upon lies.

"During the trial, on cross examination the president of the "Bank of Montgomery" testified that the banks regularly "create money out of thin air."

Jerome asked the bank president, "If you were just opening up your bank and no one had yet made a deposit, and I came into your bank, and wanted to take out a loan of $18,000.00, could you loan me that money. When the bank president said, "Yes" I thought the jury would faint. Jerome than said , "Does this mean that you can create money out of thin air?" and the bank president said "yes, we can create money out of thin air." Justice Mahoney then said "IT SOUNDS LIKE FRAUD TO ME" and everybody in the court room nodded their heads indicating that they agreed with Justice Mahoney."

mogel said...

is this the same maloney judge that shortly after his decision, the ptb put the "hit" on him???
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Yes. One and the same. Must have been a warning for Judges in the future to let them know of the consequences for standing up for truth on this issue.

son of a prophet said...

poor backwater country judge....didnt know what hit him.

neodemes said...

near the end is a gutless coward

no surprise there

justice77777777 said...

mogel said...
Course assuming you are correct, if they are Broke, then that makes no incentive for any Civil lawsuits against the Dorean Group, down the road, now does it? So an insolvency status, also answers your need for you & your ilk to know about how the unclean hands doctrine fits into all of this and what rights clients or agents actually have. The answer is, it's a moot point. In other words, why would anyone file a claim if it's uncollectable.

Again, don't leave off the part you don't feel like commenting on. Why didn't h. fred tell everyone about this?

Lastly, just because you interpret the law one way doesn't mean that it is correct! The dim duo thought they had it right and look where they are and more than likely will stay there.

once the trial is over your will look like a bigger bafoon than you do now, because you "ain't no expert of the law".

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL

near the end said...

Bruce W. Macomber; It's funny when you don't have a come back; or can't back anything up you post short little Fucked up comments.

Bruce does BALDNESS, UGLYNESS or just haveing no MONEY cause someone to file BANKRUPTCY?

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF WHAT YOU DID BRUCE!!!

near the end said...

I sure would'nt buy Real Estate from someone that does'nt know how to manage money!!!

Would you BRUCE W. macomber?

near the end said...

Bruce W. MACOMBER; You should just quit posting here.

Since you have been found out; that you filed;

"BANKRUPTCY."

Nothing you say here "CAN BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY".

Just admit it my "LITTLE BALD HEADED FRIEND;" You are a loser;

And be on your way!!! Hey Bruce get your right hand from under your key pad and get off that porn sight.

near the end said...

Come on Bruce I know you; your pissed off now. Everyone here is waiting for your come back.

Go comb your hair Oh, sorry go wax your head and tidy up and sit at your computer and think real hard how to out wit me.

Come on I know for a fact you will post a return.

In fact I'm ordering you to post again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dgwondering said...

near the end you are an idiot. It's your heroes Kurt and Scott that have also filed bankruptcy.

dgwondering said...

mogel said...
For DG Wondering & Judge Beanhead:
Judge Alsup's decisions are void because he lied and knew it & his decisions are based upon lies.


Byron that's just more of your bullshit. Show us all where any of those cases were appealed or overruled. Come on big mouth. Why don't you show us where they have been rule void? Anybody got a case that someone can actually use other than Byron's bullshit?

You're a liar Gashler.

You're still a lying scam artist.

near the end said...

Good come back; Your the dumbass that signed up with them not me. So whos Hero's?

son of a prophet said...

.........just curious?????????????



anyone here with MORE than 5 USER IDs??????????????????

son of a prophet said...

PUTIN: "US destabilizing the world."


LOL!! Of course we are!! you just figure that out?! and geuss what, we aint stoppin' till it is all destabilized either. got a problem with that?

AND ITS EVEN GONNA KILL US ALL HERE TOO, BUT OUT GOVT. AINT WORRIED, SO WHY SHOULD YOU BE?

LOLOLOLOLOLO!!!


hey, vlad, chill out.

want to get you mortage eliminated?


LOLOLOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

neodemes said...

near the end is a gutless coward

no surprise there

son of a prophet said...

"...hey, vlad, doncha know were near the end?"

you dont? well, you must not read this blog too often.....


you must of spent too much time working for Glavnoye Razvetivatelnoye Upravleniye (GRU)


waht is GRU?

dgwondering said...

Hey dumbass too near to the end, I didn't sign up!!!! I figured out the scam. Now who's the idiot?

wantobefree said...

Byron all you can do is answer a question with a question and no answer.Have you forgot about all the people that you helped lose their homes you fucking piece of shit and your buttbuddies in prison.wasnt this blog set up to try and help those you put on the street and may never be accepted for a loan again.And taken money to boot, hows your pockets doin,how long did it take you to spend my money?Dont want to hear your bullshit,because im sure you sleep well at night just what the fuck are you dickheads going to do about helpin these people get back on their feet huh let me guess run your mouth and not do a dam thing.2 words SPINELESS-SCAMMERS.

wantobefree said...

O by the way Byron I dont scam people I haft to work for a living so i may not get to read all the lies and it may take awhile to post,but for as long as this blog is up and running Ill be around to let you and your buttbuddies know just how you fucked up and im sure im not alone.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Why don't you show us where they have been ruled void?"
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Making a case seem void, doesn't automatically make all the testimonies in court untrue. That's not the point I was making whether this case was illegally made to be void or not. I already know that the Bar Association has done many things to make this case look like it's obsolete.

It's not important how the case was ruled upon as far as the point I was making. The witness, the bank president, wasn't charged with perjury either, nor was he ever called to be a liar, or made to be out a liar. The point is that an expert witness under oath told the truth, a lender who really knows how money is created, being created "out of thin air." The bank president had no motivation to lie either. It wasn't as if he was being charged in Federal court for crimes and maybe could be perceived as having a motivation to lie. Just because a case is thrown out of court, or ruled void, doesn't make void all testimonies and the truth in people's testimonies. Why wasn't this bank president brought up on perjury charges if you think his testimony was such a huge lie?

If that bank president was telling the truth, & there's every reason to believe that, then, other Judges who have relied on lies about lending to rule accordingly, are the liars, and wicked liars, if they are aware of the real facts & don't care to judge according to the facts and truth.

mogel said...

DG Wondering: As I understand it, the First National Bank of Montgomery, Minnesota case was SETTLED out of court when the issues were appealed to a higher court, so what is your real point?

Nor even sure how the appeal was able to take place lawfully anyway, because the fee for an appeal was never paid in legal tender anyway as it was ruled it had to be.

dgwondering said...

Byron you're lying again. The question was about the Dorean group cases. Please show us where the ruling that the Dorean process is a scam has been overturned on appeal.

I'm sure you'll give the same old bullshit about the courts being run by the banks and such but that doesn't help anybody you and the other crooks snookered into the scam with your lies.

It's a scam Gashler. Period. You are a lying scam promoter.

near the end said...

dgwondering,Your wind up pretty tight. I think that tight little pussy of yours might need a Fuckin.

Yetter said...

Did any one really think the system would just confess and give up. They only do several things well. Lie,cheat,steal and take away your freedoms. Sorry for the price your paying.Don't like the price? Sign up as Govt witness and sob on the witness stand.

mogel said...

Want to Be Free said: "Byron all you can do is answer a question with a question and no answer.Have you forgot about all the people that you helped lose their homes you fucking piece of shit and your buttbuddies in prison.

THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS EVER CLAIMED TO HAVE LOST A HOUSE IS YOU THAT I'M AWARE OF, & I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT, UNLESS YOU CLAIMED THAT HERE RECENTLY. DID YOU FOLLOW DIRECTIONS & MAKE YOUR PAYMENTS UNDER PROTEST UNTIL YOU WERE INSTRUCTED TO STOP MAKING PAYMENTS? I KNOW YOU WERE A CLIENT AFTER THE POLICY CHANGE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS. DO YOU TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS? OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T.

wasnt this blog set up to try and help those you put on the street and may never be accepted for a loan again.

IF YOU THINK A FORECLOSURE OR A BANKRUPTCY WILL DISALLOW YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO EVER GET A LOAN AGAIN, THAN, YOU ARE IGNORANT ON HOW THE CREDIT SYSTEM WORKS.

And taken money to boot, hows your pockets doin,how long did it take you to spend my money?Dont want to hear your bullshit,because im sure you sleep well at night just what the fuck are you dickheads going to do about helpin these people get back on their feet huh let me guess run your mouth and not do a dam thing.

IF YOU CAN'T SEE THAT THE DOREAN GROUP ARE DEFENDING YOUR RIGHTS AND DOING ALL IN THEIR POWER TO REDRESS THE WRONGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY BE FOR YOUR BENEFIT, THAN NOTHING I CAN SAY WILL HELP YOU EITHER.

2 words SPINELESS-SCAMMERS."

TWO WORDS, FAITHLESS-COMPLAINER.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "The question was about the Dorean group cases."
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And the Credit River decision has relevance with the Dorean Process.

Judge Alsup ruled that the process was a scam because of the "vapour money" issue, basically saying that banks do not create money. I showed where Judge Alsup's basis for ruling against the Dorean Group was based upon a lie, ACCORDING TO A BANK PRESIDENT WHO TOLD THE TRUTH.

The "affirmation of truth" which constitutes evidence, which is also the challenge given in the Dorean Presentment, the lenders were suppose to rebut,or answer with facts or evidence, revolves around this central issue: Do lenders create money they don't have or not through taking promissory notes, altering them into a draft, and committing fraud? The answer is yes, they do. There is no evidence otherwise, since the lenders defaulted in silence in answering the presentment.

No ruling by any Judge is going to change or cover up the fraud already committed by the lenders.

Once full disclosure in court is allowed to happen, the fraud of the lenders will be seen for what it really is. That's the risk the prosecution takes by pressing fraud charges againt the Dorean Group all the way to a full blown trial from beginning to end.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Why don't you show us where they have been ruled void?"
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Any case that uses Judge Alsup's fantasy ruling is void by reason of defect of his supposition that the "vapor money theory" is a theory. Likewise, all of the other cases cited in Judge Alsup's ruling which basically are based upon this same lie, are likewise void too by reason of law. You can't make a ruling based upon a lie. A ruling must be based upon facts, not upon prejudices that are untrue.

oksurewhynot said...

Scott,
Nobody gives a rat's tail about your interview. You must be incredibly bored without Kurt, badgering some guy with a bunch of questions.

Can you get a pastor to come talk to you? You're predictable, so bets are that you won't ask for a pastor for the same reason you won't ask for a lawyer.

Yetter said...

Talk about being bored with a rats tail.

mogel said...

Whataboutjere: Here's an answer from Judge Bean on the "unclean hands doctrine" issue you struggle with. Notice he say, "makes it harder". He doesn't say, "makes it impossible." to enforce rights or claims. Like I alluded to earlier, you won't find a unanimous consenses or answer on your question. So much for one Judge's answer. You can probably get a totally different answer from another Judge. It's like pick & choose what you want to believe. Course there's the assumption that you've done something illegal thrown in there for good measure. LOL
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Judge Bean said: "The victims of Johnson's scheme were hoping they'd be able to get out of their mortgage through Dorean, and the foolishness of it only MAKES IT HARDER for anyone with a legitimate complaint to get someone to listen after they've tried something illegal.

mogel said...

OKsurewhy not said: "Nobody gives a rat's tail about your interview."
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I care, so shut up!!! I found Scott's interview to be fascinating. I wished I could have been there listening in person. And quit speaking for me & everyone else you pretend to represent, as if you are the expert on "Nobody", unless of course, you are a "Nobody", and know everything about being a "Nobody", which if that is the case, I apologize.

mogel said...

DG Wondering said: "Byron you're lying again."
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Gosh, with your expert sense in being able to tell lies from truth, you could replace the "lie detector" used by the police.

You could call it the "Wondering detector". You could even start your own "advice column". I'm sure you could make alot of money as a truth consultant to major corporations or something like that which need the tough questions answered. Or you could be a "jury consultant" making the big bucks for your great discernment in who is telling the truth & who is lying. Your great wisdom would make the difference between a person winning or losing a case by your expertise in stacking the right jury pool.

I've never seen anyone like the likes of you that is so quick to judge & be able to discern a lie from the truth.

wantobefree said...

Always got an answer dont you Byron somehow you always blame the customer we didnt do something right did we, didnt follow direction I did what the fuck i was told right down to the Ts and dottin the Is so dont do your famous blame game as you always do.Remember something when someone gives money or pays for a service and that person doesnt recieve that item or service they paid for its called a SCAM PLAN AND SIMPLE what dont you understand about it dumbass now once again for the 50 time JUST WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DUMBASSES GOINGB TO DO ABOUT IT?Be honest for once Byron and tell us all the truth or are you afraid your favorite past time could come to an end say it here ill help you.DEAR CUSTOMERS OF DOREAN,WE TAKE COMPLETE BLAME FOR EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE TO YOU. WE JUMPED INTO THIS SYSTEM TAKIN EVERYBODYS MONEY GURANTEEING THAT IT WORKS AND THAT 1000S HAVE CLEARED ALREADY. WE CANT HELP YOU ANYMORE AND THE MONEY YOU SENT US WENT INTO DEEP POCKETS AND ATTOURNEY FEES.THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HAVE A NICE LIFE.

dgwondering said...

Gashler lies again and again and shows just how big a lie he'll make up to try and keep his scam going.


"Any case that uses Judge Alsup's fantasy ruling is void by reason of defect of his supposition that the "vapor money theory" is a theory.
Quick liar show us the appeal that makes that a real legal opinion. Alsup's ruling is still there, so is the one in North Carolina.

No appeal coming, eh? Still can't keep from pushing the lie.

"You can't make a ruling based upon a lie. A ruling must be based upon facts, not upon prejudices that are untrue.

Duh! But you can tell lies about the law. Where's the appeal Gashler? Your the legal genius so why haven't you gotten the rulings overturned? Oh, pleaes tell us more about your opinion of the law which you know nothing about.

Try again LIAR. Why don't you show us where they are ruled void so the people in trouble with the Dorean process can save their houses? They could cite your cases if there were any. The bullshit story you point to was one of the reasons the presentment was ruled part of the fraud.

Lies, lies and more lies, Gashler.

Why haven't they excommunicated you?

KYHOOYA said...

son of a prophet said...
.........just curious?????????????



anyone here with MORE than 5 USER IDs??????????????????

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You know thats a good question.
I can count as many as 2 or three that sound alike but no more than that.
Sure makes you wounder why someoe would need to post under more than one name to get their point across don't it?

If you can't just say it on a Blog site that your ID is untold in the first place, You got real problems you might want to talk to someone with a PHD to help with that.


SICK SICK. SICK YOUR MIND ID A TERIBLE THINN TA WAYST.

SO GO GET IT LOOKED AT.

I mean how much more do you have to have in place to hide who you are so you can say anything you want without worring about someone pointing a finger at you for saying something?
Who gives a shit!!!!

Or is it that what your saying is'nt worth the time to make sure that it's real or you already know it's not true before you postand thats why you need to have many names to post under so you point have someone backing it up and in your mind that works Huh go figure

I would really give some thought to seeing someone sooner rather than later on this one Okaydokey
Dwondering wanttobefree, justana ss neo, utah , and alll the rest of you out there ..... who ever you are or are not just seek help before it's to late.

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NEW BLOGGER POSTING SAID:


Yes I agree with that Kyhooya guy he's right on the money on this one you most surly need to get some help and fast . And don't call me surly.


"There's snakes on the plane!"

There's snakes on the plane!"

Now billy has your dog scuff ever .....

Just say what you mean & do what you say & all the rest of the crap is just that crap so give it up what ever your doing with that multi name posting make's you seem to think your right on something how weird is that.

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ANOTHER POSTERS NAME SAID

Ya you ask me thats nothing but 5150 straight up!

"There's snakes on the plane!"

"There's snakes on the plane!"

That just crack's me up. Did anyone get to see that movie or has a copy?
I herad it did'nt do well but I would love to be the judge of that cus how can you go wrong it's like a cult movie as in the Currie day's and bring toast the tthe show to throw or every one in time saying

There's snakes on the plane!

you know what i'm talking about home skillets? Aright then enough said !

and blazzing saddles where no one got left out on the old biggeit ( how do you spell that anyway) bigget , bieggit bigget, biggeit ,bigiet anyone ? a little help here plz!

l8r

KYHOOYA said...

Oh before I forget , Hey Dwondering and the crew of wounded mistreated Dorean drop out's

answer me this :
What was it that first made you go looking for a mortgage EL program. I ask do to alll your finger pointing and crying you do here about how you were just fuck over and all?

Something was'nt right to start with I bet!

The other thing I do remember at the start was there was a rule about getting in to the program if you were already in some truble to start with and I recall there was a few that begged to be let in that were in that very shape (not good let say) but dorean bent it and let some of them in on kinda a test case if I am remembering it correctly, I think I am though.


Anyone of you would'nt be one of these people would you?

Cuz if so you must really have some ball on you if your now bitching about the hole deal or trying to find someone to pin it all on as if you would be in any other shape than you are now only you might have a feww dollars left out of what you spent to get signed up to buy something but I bet not much.

When yopu post it just shoew how stupid you really are

I will have to say this though by looking as stupid as you do in your post's you give some credit to your ("Not responcable") way of looking at thing's

Did you ride to school on the big bus or was it the little yelow one and you got to wear a nice helmet to?

Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just that it would clear so much up on the way you process the thing do and say thats all .


Just dewondering no big deal if you don't want to answer back I'll understand you must be bizzy with just getting all of you dressed and feed each day without getting into a fight with your self about something you did or did'nt do right.

Seek help before it's to late...

l8r

son of a prophet said...

mog,

it seem that the fusionats just reopened, but they boost the price to $250!

it seems like a good program, but no way i am paying anybody $250 just for the "privelge" of joining.

at $99 if they pay 50-80%/month on you money, thats one thing, but not for $250. to me, its not worth that much. nor is any program taht much.

another reason is that it reamins to be seen how long they will be around. if i had all the money back for all the programs that would be around for a "long time", ha, i wouldnt even bother be trying to find new ones.....

son of a prophet said...

...so thats how he managed to rob banks/banksters and get away with it!?



JESSE JAMES

Gun-slingin' Outlaw, US Senator, Illuminati



JESSE JAMES: Did you know he was a high-ranking member of the International Illuminati?

He was an influential member of the Knights of the Golden Circle.

Jesse James was an alias, as William Andrew Clark was his real name. Under this name, Jesee served as a US Senator from Montana from 1901-1907.

As a member of the Illuminati, Jesse James not only led the life of a bandit, but was worth $50 million, an incredible sum in the late 1800's! Senator Robert LaFollette, Democrat-Wisconsin, described William Andrews Clark as being "one of a hundred men who own America"

Most of what passes as history is simply not true and Ralph Epperson proves it, in this masterful book!

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who would of known that???


see, goes to show like the bible say, "all thinkgs shall be revealed; secrets shall be shouted from the rootops..."


should give hope to those who ae the truthseekers.

i never would of guessed that jesse jams was a illiminati?

but, it all makes sense now. i alwasy wondered how these "bandits" could always escape captrure?

well, now we know. somenone was protecting them.

how could the judges rule the way they do?? well, now we know, someone........

son of a prophet said...

wht aoubt john dillnger???

near the end said...

wantobefree,Shut the Fuck up Motherfucker your such a cry baby!!!

mogel said...

SOP: Fusion is a legitimate program with a legitimate way to make high returns; Forex or currency trading, which is the biggest financial market in the world. It dwafts the stock market in volume traded. As a matter of fact, some institutions make more money in currency trading than they do in their major product they make or sell, like General Motors. Their biggest money maker is lending, (GO FIGURE), followed by currency trading, followed by selling cars, followed by insurance & warranties.

99% of the programs on the internet in the HYIP world are mostly scams & ponzi schemes. That is why you keep looking for new programs & in the long term you end up with nothing.

I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect the Fusion program are using the same system as "Freedom Rocks", because they said they have a way to minimize the risk on their trades which Freedom Rocks has where they have discovered that about 4 currency trading pairs have mathematical statistical correlations over time. By trading certain pairs you can greatly minimize the financial risk. If you can control your risk and do trades on huge leverage, say 400-1, you can make alot of money quickly. Also you are buying currency and getting paid daily interest on this, while leveraging huge trades & getting paid interest daily on this leveraged money.

I know that 50%/month returns are possible because I did it for 2 months on my practice account with Freedom Rocks. However, to do it for 8 months straight with no losses on the average each week, & average 50%/month returns is really quite unusual. Sure they have had daily losses, and a few of their losses were huge, but they always more than made up for those losses & did so consistently by weeks end. Since your money is compounding all the time, the 50%/month compounding monthly became about a 187% return per month for the 8 month period they did. At any rate, they have turned $15,000 into over $225,000 in 8 months. On their 9th month they are well over the $300,000 mark.

Anyway, the Trader for Fusion has 10 years of experience specializing in what he does. We will "piggyback" on his trades, but the client will still have control over his account set up with the Broker.

There's alot of perks to be a Founder, however, the window of opportunity for that may be closed now. But you can still join down the road if you like. Course not being a Founder, you'll have to put more money into your forex account, to achieve the same returns, rather than having the privilege to only start with only $500 to test it out. Most Broker accounts have minimums that can range from $10,000- $25,000 to achieve these type of programs where high returns are made.

mogel said...

SOP: I think the minimum amount needed for people joining Fusion down the road will be at least $2,000 or $2500 to open up a forex account with. For most people, that may be out of reach, but if they can consistently perform, I'm sure everyone would be happy with consistent returns of even 10%/month.