Wednesday, March 14, 2007

Jailhouse Letter (02-02-07)

I had my wife post this letter because in our sufferings we sometimes have bruised hearts and bent shoulders from the constant weight and pressure of our stress. I suspect that you are the same in this. Wanting to encourage and strengthen my wife I wrote this to take her to the high place of our calling. No less do I desire this for those of you who are struggling to trust God through this difficult trial. May it also bless and encourage you when your internal compass identifies the truth it contains. God’s blessings upon you all!

Well my love I’m in that place again where I must ask you to lead me your ear. Even as I write my skin is tingling with excitement, my heart is skipping in wonder and my eyes are tearing with awe. How do I really describe what happened to me? Please be patient with me as I try to find the words. My day started like the hundreds of my incarceration. The only exception being the absence of my celly who went to court. You know how I cherish these rare moments of solitude. I spent the morning pacing the floor praying for all our needs, the trial, and for wisdom and guidance. After pouring my heart out I worshipped the Lord.

After lunch I laid upon my rack; just tried to quiet my spirit. Outside my window was the first day that didn’t seem like winter in a long time. The sun and sky were bright. I had the lights on to do a little reading of the scripture. My eyes became heavy and I took a nap. When I awoke (I think) all was the same (maybe). I was staring at the ceiling when suddenly the lights went out. At first it appeared a normal power outage until the darkness consumed my cell. The outside window became dark as coal even darker than night. I have never experienced a darkness so heavy I was literally wearing it. There was no light, I was blind. I became very afraid. One never really knows how much light and sight are appreciated until they are gone.

Time got a little distorted here because I do not know how long this darkness enveloped me. It may have been brief but felt like forever. I continued my glance forward which was up towards the unseen ceiling. I reached to touch it and it was there which brought a slight comfort by familiarity. Then a very bright bead of light began to appear. Very small like a star billions of miles away. Oh the hope that little light brought to a man who suddenly lost the world he’d known. It began to grow in size and brightness like the star was approaching. Soon (I think) it was about the size of my face. As I peered into it I realized there was a world inside it. This approaching light was the brightness of another world gleaming through an open porthole doorway or dimension.

This is where it gets strange, if it hasn’t already. As it got to the size of a doorway it was no longer above me but around me. I was standing in a bright new world. It looked like our world but brighter colors like our world was covered by those florescent highlighters. Can you imagine fields of grass with each bade calling your attention? That is what it was like. As I entered this world I found my feet upon a descending path. I took it as a natural lead and descended cautiously.

Soon I came upon a narrow gate in what appeared to be a large parcel of private fenced-in property. At the gate was a plaque with an inscription that read, “This small seed upon this shelf if swallowed without a doubt will open this gate for you but for no one else.” I looked closer and there appeared to be a very small mustard seed on a very small tray protruding out of the plaque. There was only one and I was surprised it would still be there considering the wind or the birds. The path only went through this gate and though I wasn’t certain of the meaning of this riddle I did not see any other course to take and I did not sense any danger in that seed. What troubled me a little was “without a doubt” what did this mean? I tried to reason this out but that just sent my mind reeling through a thousand doubts. Finally something inside me said, “knock it off” and I quickly picked up the seed and swallowed it. At that moment the gate opened on its own and I stepped through. As I passed the gate closed and on the back was another inscription, which read “Enjoy this land without a doubt or you may find yourself quickly out of this treasure meant for you,” “without a doubt” troubled me again but I did realize the gate had opened so I must have done something right. “Treasure” was a nice word to associate with “meant for you.”

A hope began to well up inside of me that proportionately displaced the dread of my existence, my cell, my world. I continued down the path. Shortly to my left was an enormous and obviously ancient Banyan tree whose tentacles had grown into at least a thousand trunks. All around it appeared to be sheets of black glass or polished onyx. As I approached I discovered they were small ponds or large puddles. I could not tell exactly how deep they were because they were bottomed by a blackness as dark as the beginning of this journey. The water had a pureness even a scent of pureness if this is possible. It was also very unique in that the water had a luster of a brilliant refined silver. The result of the contrast in these pools was a perfect mirror. They were placid and I could see every detail of my face as I knelt to look into one. They were of various shapes and sizes but there was enough land coursing through them that each could be inspected if desired.

Some of the banyan trunks went straight into these pools. These looked as healthy as those that found soil. On the largest and probably the original trunk someone had carved into the bark, like we would “KJ & DJ” inside a heart, the word “Memory.” The first pond I looked into made me a little younger than the reflection I recalled in the mirrors of our world. Then I looked in a second and saw a little boy version of me. I got startled and fell backward into the first pond. I’ve always had this kind of luck around water. I ended up completely submerged. I swam back to the surface and there you were leaning over the pier with your hand extended to help me out of the water. You were laughing. It’s been a very long time since I’ve seen your face radiating so much joy. Right then my heart became heavy and I sank before I reached your hand. I again swam to the surface but this time it was the pond I fell in. Wow that memory of lake Chabot now had joy and pain.

I pulled myself out and realized these pools were reflections of my memories. I was not certain if I cared to see anymore after that experience. Lake Chabot was a pristine memory until it got attached to out long season of suffering through this pond. What would happen to my other memories? Even with this hesitation curiosity prevailed and I glanced into many others maintaining my footing on solid ground. To my surprise some reflections had me older than I recalled. Had I died and my whole life had passed under this ancient tree was the thought I had.

I decided to jump into one of these elder pools to see if the memory was past like the first one. Splash! Head first I went into this. That was kind of dumb I realized later because there was no way of determining the depth of any of these bodies of water by the eye. Anyway I never hit bottom and swam to the surface. As I surfaced I found myself walking hand and hand with you on a beach at lake Geneva. It was night and the lights of our hotel were glowing on the water surface. The moon was like a giant flashlight with its beam focused on the peak of the Matorhorn. You were talking about the finalization of your script for the movie production. What caught my attention was how you incorporated your survival of our current trial into the main character. This was definitely the future for we had never been to Switzerland together and you spoke of our present in past tense. We walked to the front of the hotel on the cobblestone street to a little vending cart where an elderly woman was selling chocolate caramelled apples. You got so excited like a little girl at Disney World. It was really cute. Of course we bought one for each of us. At my first bite I was again swimming to the surface of the pool.

As I emptied myself I was filled with such a hope. Our future did not have me doing life in prison or have us apart. We survived our trial! I peered into many other pools but was tempted by one where my hair was all grey. Splash! Feet first this time. I swam to the surface and joined you by a very large campfire on the shore of Lake Titicaca in Peru. A small native Indian man about 5’2” 125 lbs. was painting our faces with war paint and telling us the story of a leviathan that lived in the lake and at every full moon comes out to search out the eyes of the locals. As his giant eyes glare into yours he searches your soul for courage or fear. If he finds courage he will bless you with greater courage and if he finds fear he will bless you with greater fear. The Indian was preparing us to see these eyes. Shortly leviathan of unthinkable mass, fierce weaponry, and irresistible will was going to exit the lake. The person with the greatest amount of fear was his meal. We were there to brave this; like we haven’t had enough test of our courage. The Indian gave us a local herbal drink that he said would give us the heart of a warrior, which is how he painted us up. This tradition was hundreds of years old and how the locals measured the weak and strong of their society. Some people saw this as an opportunity to overcome their fears while some almost became insane with panic. There is a leviathan in every culture I guess. The Indian said when you hear the fish jumping out of his way leviathan was on his hunt. The fire obscured our view of the lake but we could hear the still nothingness behind the crackling of firewood. More detail was flowing from our guide when suddenly like the explosion of a symphony upon our ears fish were jumping all over the lake in all directions.

You gripped my hand tightly and again I was swimming to the surface of the pool. You would think I would be possessed by that lust of knowing that drives people to psychics and horoscopes but it was not the case. I got enough information to send my hope soaring, which satisfied me. Infact I now call those pools of hope. For me it was time to leave and continue down the path. Knowing my hope was not vanity was my life not the experiences I walk through. I continued down the path with wonders everywhere I looked, too many to list. There were dancing trees that had feathered bells perched in them. As they flew from branch to branch they would ring the tune the trees danced to. There were waterfalls that did not make a rainbow in the mist created by their crashing but fell in all seven colors. Things like this all around. I walked on I must admit a little like a zombie dazed by a world more awesome than self-awareness.

At this point the music of a lute pricked me back to consciousness. It appeared to be coming from a cave near a large field of daffodils. They were pale yellow but glowed on their stems like those lightning bugs in the Midwest. As I got closer the music was definitely coming from the cave. Once at the entrance I heard a little ditty clearly. “Mulberry tree planted in the sea. How can this be? Surely this can be done without a doubt if the Lord does call it out. Increase our faith, increase our faith.” In the pause I inserted a “Hello, Hello, may I come in?” The music had ceased and I heard “Enter stranger.” To my surprise there was a faun playing a lute like a stand-up bass. Upon seeing me he asked, “What is your name stranger,” “Kurt” I replied. “I’ve heard of you.” “You have?” “Yes the Lord talks of all those who pass through the narrow gate.” We talked for awhile and he took me outside. He said “look at those daffodils what color do you see?” “Yellow” “Do you know the power of faith can make that which is not become. What is your favorite color?” “Purple” I’m talking with a faun I thought before his response. “Have you ever seen a purple daffodil?” “No I don’t think they exist.” “In your world they don’t but in the world of faith if you don’t doubt anything is possible. Turn to this field and bring me a purple daffodil.” “How do I do such a thing when they are all yellow?” “Speak to them in the name of the Lord and do not doubt and whatever color you tell them to be they will be.” “In the name of Christ let me see purple daffodils.” Instantly the field was purple. “Pink” “White” “Red” no matter what color I said they changed. This made me laugh in a nervous sort of way.

Then the faun returned to the cave to obtain his lute. He pointed to a distant mountain range and said, “Do you see that tunnel?” I could but barely. “This is where we must go. I have a couple more things to teach you before you enter the deepest part of this land.” I felt this was an understatement, I was doing nothing but learning. We walked and talked and he played many little clever rhymes and ditties. The entrance to the tunnel had two large oak trees one on each side. There was a small lake with ducks, geese, and swan, a park with gazebo, and there was an easel with a painting of you. He, the faun, asked me “who is this?” Wow was I surprised, what a beautiful painting you looked so regal. “That is my wife,” I said in a proud tone. We sat in the park and he took his lute and began to play and sing. He had a clear smooth voice but a vibrato that was distinctly goat. I don’t know how else to describe it and I don’t think you’ll imagine what it’s like until you’ve been sung to by a faun. He began “Love men think they know. Oh how much deeper this root can grow. What God joins becomes one flesh, how can it be separated? Tell me where one begins and where one ends. The word was spoken by it, the breath of life was given by it, men are sustained by it, and the master is full of it. This is love, this is love!” As he sang this many animals gathered round us. In the oak were tow lovebirds singing to each other. They hopped towards each other until they could kiss. When they did they became one pure white dove that flew down onto my shoulder and coo cooed into my ear. Which was translated in my spirit “The greatest Love Story Ever told is about to unfold.” There was also a great black stallion that was courting a solid white mare. As soon as he mounted her from behind a large Harlequin black and white stallion was in their place.

Many other things like this happened I think proving the words of the song. The faun seeing the bewilderment upon my face let out a burst of laughter. It struck me funny too so I laughed until I cried and my sides hurt. Then upon gaining our composure he said I have one last lesson for you. “Look at the lake tell me what you see.” Well the lake was now a sea of millions of red marbles and two blue ones on opposite ends from each other. “What are these?” I asked. “The red marbles are the people of the world you live in and the blue ones are you and your wife.” I felt sad at this since there was a huge gulf between us. We went to the edge and he placed the blue marble in my hand and said, “shoot this over to your wife.” You can’t imagine what an impossible task this was. There was no way I could produce enough thrust to move all the red marbles out of the way or to toss it over them. My heart got heavy and the faun said to me “have you forgotten the words of my song or the daffodils so quickly?” He was right I was doubting. “Lord what you join becomes one flesh part this red sea and bring me to my destiny.” Instantly these red marbles parted leaving a clear smooth path right to you. I took the shot and when our marbles met they became one larger blue marble. There was no more you or me just a oneness. Upon seeing this the faun said “you must now go through this tunnel, the tunnel of Love, where on the other side there is a very old man named time who has a white beard as long as my lute.” Just then when he said the man’s name I realized I never got the faun’s name. “Before I go can I ask you your name. I’m sorry I was so rude to have forgotten this.” “No problem lad my name is Kinsman.” “That’s an interesting name.” Yes I was named to display the faith work of our master. He by His faith became one flesh with you men. He was the scapegoat removing the burden of your sins and also lived out as a perfect man. That is why I can sing of His faith and how you came here. Enough of me though time has much to teach you. Be on your way.”

I began my passage through the tunnel, which was about 300 yards in length. When I got to the other side it was a twin of the previous park with oaks, lake and gazebo. Meandering slowly towards me (I mean very slowly like he was being dragged against his will) was Mr. Time. He was old and white but not wrinkly like the vending lady in Geneva. He was like Kinsman described him. I must admit a little impatience so I consumed most of the distance between us. “Hello Kurt” “Hello how did you know my name?” “When you entered the gate I was appointed time and her you are. Kinsman I’m assured has taught you well but there is much for you still to learn. Join me at the easel.” This time there was no picture of you. I asked him “why is this canvass blank?” He responded, “you have not told me what you expect to see there.” I’m not sure what he meant by this but I didn’t question any further. He handed me one of those cardboard cones cheerleaders use as bullhorns and said to me, “proclaim your love to this canvass through this horn.” This would have been a strange request in our world but not here, not after all that had happened to me. I eagerly picked up the cone pointed to the canvas and poured my heart out. Nothing happened but the joy of expression. Then Mr. Time took the cone from me and peeled it open. In his hands it became an artist palette with some amazing colors. He took out a brush and said, “Let me see what I can do with these words.” The canvas was becoming the masterpiece my first words had envisioned. Your picture on the other side of the tunnel was grand but this one moved me in an amazing way. In the center was you and I in our wedding vestments embracing and kissing. Above us was the most magnificent clouds that had the colors of fire coursing through them. They formed a shadowy face but very clear-pursed lips that were kissing our heads. Also the hands of God were clearly cupped around our backsides gently coddling us and also pushing us together. “That’s from my words?” “Of course out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks,” he responded.

I couldn’t help but think this trial had blessed my love, our love, with a richness unfathomable at the beginning. Only seeing this picture could make this thought clear. I was awed! Time took me from the park, again we moved painfully slow, down another path. All his words were profound and he was always teaching. We came across an apple tree in blossom near a chocolate river that had caramel vines coursing around it. We stopped and time addressed me. “This is the land of faith, hope, and love. Here God is teaching you how they work. Now I want you to view this tree with the eyes of hope and tell me what you see.” “I see blossoms which gives me hope of fruit in the future.” “Very well, now view it with your eyes of faith, remember the marbles, the gate, and the daffodils.” “I see a tree that can supply me fruit anytime I need or desire it if I do not doubt and ask in the name of the Lord.” “That is good.” Time said. “Now think of your wife and tell me what your eyes of love see.” It came to me instantly. “I see a tree that has its roots nourished by chocolate is wrapped in caramel and will produce chocolate caramelled apples when ever my love desires one.” All I could think of when saying this was that excited little girl in Geneva.

“Now you see that faith, hope, and love are great but the greatest of these is love. How much more is the love of our creator disposed toward you?” Just the thought of this made me see love from a completely new vastness. It overwhelmed me and I cried. Partly from the sense of being loved so well and partly how I thought this would benefit our love. “Very well, you are a quick study now I have a surprise about me to share. Do you see that castle upon that hill?” “Yes” “How far walking journey do you suppose that is for you?” “3 days” I answered. “How far for me?” He asked. Before I answered I thought time sure marches slowly how do I answer honestly without offending. “Oh I’d say about a week.” “You’re very generous” You bet I am another silent thought. “Actually I’ll be there and back in 10 minutes. There is an ancient scroll and a compass I must obtain for you from there. After I have grabbed them we’ll go to my cottage over there (he pointed) to have dinner. Are you hungry?” I hadn’t thought about it but I was. “Yes” “Very well I’m off!” Boy was he, he took off in a start like Mercury. I had no idea time could move so fast. I figured from this that in the world of faith, hope, and love time wasn’t bound to the normal cadence he would possess in our world, but was free here to go at any pace needed or necessary.

When he returned we went to his cottage, which was really quaint one room with a potbelly stove slash furnace. He placed the scroll and compass on the table and had me sit down. We talked of the Lord and the needle of the compass would point to the one speaking. “This is definitely not a magnetic compass” I said and questioned, “what kind of compass is this?” “It is the compass of truth and is a great tool when in the world since truth keeps you from vain hope, inspires an honest faith and love rejoices in truth.” In essence I thought this was some ancient lie detector, a useful tool for sure.

Now the scroll was not that large, had writing on both sides of it, and was in some language I’d never seen in our world. “Do you know what this says?” I asked “Sure” he responded. “But before we get to these words you must eat this scroll, this is your dinner.” I don’t think I had ever been satisfied in my hunger by words but I did recall the scripture that man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Maybe this was my lesson. He opened it so I could only see one side and told me to swallow it. I did as I was told and the flavor was sweeter than honey and so delightful that to swallow it was a real depravation of joy, but swallow it I did. Within seconds I had an upset stomach, which got more and more agitated until the urge to vomit could no longer be resisted. It came upon me so quickly that I wretched the scroll up right back on the table. “Wow that was quick” Time said. “You mean that was supposed to happen? What kind of dinner or lesson is this?” “Don’t worry it only happens the first time. Try it again you will see.” I didn’t want to but I did it anyway. I did notice he turned it over before I ate it to expose the other words. This time it was disgustingly bitter to the taste. Not like a lemon but like gall or bile. Like a raw oyster I swallowed it in a hurry. Unlike before my stomach had a warmth and comfort like warm milk and a total fullness of satisfaction. “How is that, better?” “Yes, much” I proclaimed. “Why did I have this reaction to this scroll?” He began with a sober look upon his face. “The creator wrote these ancient words upon this scroll long before He created your kind. He gave you a freewill because He wanted your free devotion of trust and love. This was His desire far before your world was thrust into darkness. The first you ate was love which is always sweet to the taste but if not combined with trust will knot up in your stomach and become foul. Trust on the other hand is always bitter at first because it appears risky but when delivered with love satisfies completely. Learn from this that the two can never truly exist apart from the other without some disruption to you. Your patriarch Adam when he lost his trust of God automatically gained love for self.” The truth of this gave me the same satisfaction in my gut and was confirmed by the compass.

“Let us go outside there is one more thing for you to learn then your end with time here is over.” I wondered who I’d meet next. We went outside to what was my blind side of the cottage from how I made my entrance. There was what appeared to be one of those shrub mazes using Junipers. Time explained, “This maze has four correct doors you must pass through to get to the center. Each door will open by the placement of one of these silver coins into the slot.” He pulled out 5 coins from a purse. “Hey those are pure silver Morgan dollars from my world.” “Yes they appear to be and silver is the price of redemption.” “Redemption of what?” I asked. “In this case the picture from the park is in the center and if you make it there you get to keep it. You will also notice I gave you an extra coin as a measure of grace in case you make a wrong turn.”

Desire rose up in me more than I could measure. I never thought for a moment before this that I could possess that painting. No greater gift could I imagine. He handed me the coins and I was off. The junipers were prickly enough to keep me walking in the center of the path and removed any temptation to see if I could cheat by passing through them. Shortly in my trek I came across my first junction. There were three little girls one in front of each door and each with a broken right arm. They looked like triplets in appearance. Their arms were bent at about a thirty degree angle and needed a splint or cast for sure. I approached a little queasy. They all said in harmony “can you help us? We tried to get out of the way of the slamming doors when you entered but each of us had the same accident.” Then the girl farthest left began “We have heard of you and your great faith, kindness and other virtues. Please look after me in accordance with your great character.” The middle girl was completely different. She began “Sir my life was going fine until you caused my injury. Right behind you there is a first aid kit with a splint in it. Please take responsibility for my troubles and purchase those supplies.” It appeared that I would have to use one of my coins to obtain the supplies but I could only mend one. The last girl spoke briefly “Sir we all have the same injury but you must select one.” I was moved by all three but something in my gut drew me more to the last one. I reasoned I was given the extra coin for this purpose and I would just have to be perfect to complete this course. I used a coin and began to aid the last girl. As I did the first girl ridiculed me, called me foolish and other things of this ilk. The middle girl got rude and condemning. After my work I had to use a coin for the door. I went through and there was a plaque with this quote “Flattery is selfish, guilt is lavish and compassion stay within her need.” This and hindsight made me think I made the right choice.

I continued to the next junction. Again there was three choices this time three grown men. They all said together “the wealthiest man in our land invited us to a dinner party.” The man on the left had a gorgeous tuxedo on and said “I am sure to please in my best attire.” The middle man had a well worn suit and tie combo. He said, “I am ready to attend in my best attire.” The guy on the right had a bright pink tuxedo (remember those highlighters) and he said “there will be many great men there dressed in black I did not think it wise to compete for their glory. I have dawned my good apparel.” Then they said together “this door bars our way please open it with your coin.” I chose the middle man and walked through. The plaque here said, “Pride adorns himself well but not nearly as well as false humility and neither as well as honesty.” Again I felt I made the right choice. 2 coins left and 2 for 2. I felt certain I’d get that painting. I hoped these choices didn’t get any tougher.

A little further in and my next junction. This time only two. There was an elderly woman who looked like everyone’s grandmother and there was a lady young and so stunningly beautiful I was stopped in my tracks. I could hardly take my eyes off her. Together they said, “A simple hug is all we need” though I only saw the beauty’s lips moving. I so much wanted to hug her but it seemed too easy. I hugged grandma. Deposited my coin and passed through. This plaque said “Lust will hold you with one embrace while affection embraces you.” Again I thought I’d made the right choice.

Finally I came upon the last set of doors with one coin left. There were two men. One dressed in all white suit, white shoes, white teeth with a broad smile and slick hair. The other looked rugged like a farmer. They both had a donation pot in front of them like the Salvation Army kind-of. Together they said, “The Lord has need of your last coin.” I responded, “then how will I pass this last door?” The farmer said, “You won’t.” Smiles said “For your donation to the Lord I will give you this token it is a silver clad coin with “King of Kings” inscribed on the front and the scripture of the widow’s offering from Mark 12:41-44 on the back. I have personally blessed this token. You will find this token will open the door as your coin. For surely God is a debtor to no man and whatever door He opens no one can shut.” Wow one keeps me going and one ends here but I felt it was the opposite of the obvious. I donated my coin to the farmer hoping for a surprise to get me to that painting. There was no surprise and no apologizes. It was over.

I walked back out a little dejected I’ll admit. I made it back to the cottage where time awaited me. I told him “I’m confused. I’m certain I made all the right choices and I did not get my prize.” “What do you mean? What could be a better prize than making all the right choices?” He had a point but I still said, “I agree but my expectation was on the painting it was stunning and beyond words.” “Don’t be silly the painting was your words and you can recreate it anytime you say so. You never need the maze to obtain the painting only to verify your right choices.” See what I mean by always learning something? Then he said to me “I want you to rest a little with your eyes open before you go on. Try this hammock.”

I hopped in a hammock between two trees and looked to the sky. Do you believe I was so enamored by this world I had never noticed the sky until now. Time said, “Our night is about to begin keep your eyes open.” Shortly night came but not gradually like a shutter of a camera. The sky was night but not black more a polished bronze. There were stars at best guess that appeared to be one billion for every one of ours and still there was just as much vastness of space between them. I asked time “I don’t recognize any of these stars does my world happen to be among any of them?” Just then he let out such a side splitting laugh that I had to laugh also though I didn’t no about what. Finally he got his composure. “Do you remember that seed you swallowed to enter here?” “Yes” “That was your world. The world of Faith, Hope, and Love could never be contained in your world anymore than the creator could be contained in this world.” “What do you mean?” I asked. “All those stars including our land which you’ve seen are part of a mobile that hangs on His front porch. When you are done with time you will be invited into the master’s home and though you will be His guest forever you shall never make a complete tour of His dwelling.

This was hard to swallow because it overwhelmed my reason and imagination. I asked for some clarification “If my world is so small in comparison to this land of faith, hope and love that it appears a seed how can I reconcile my relationship here with my world?” Now I saw a very fatherly expression come upon time’s face as he replied “It appeared to you at the beginning of your trip here that the light was expanding around you but in reality the darkness of your world shrinks back from faith, hope, and love. You may remain a citizen here the remainder of your days upon your world. Think of it this way; in your world they have deep sea divers who enter their dark pressure filled world but as a foreigner or an alien. They are tethered to the world above by their lifeline. They do their work in the dark world but live in the light and life of the world above.” This made it more clear. He continued, “you have done well here and I would like to give you a gift.” At that he went into the cottage and returned with the compass of truth and handed it to me. He said “you may find this a useful tool in your deceitful world. You should take your rest and I will see you again soon.” I did rest and was very contemplative and who could do otherwise. There was myriads of thought passing so rapidly through my brain that fatigue did take me over. On that hammock the light of the bronze darkness departed with the closing of my eyelids.

When I awoke a flash of light was before my eyes that quickly disappeared into the darkness. It was that blanketing darkness and blindness I felt before. Then my celly turned on the lights and I was back on my rack in the cell. He said, “Boy, you were sleeping good.” He had no idea. I had started a fast on February 1st for the whole month. It was breakfast and my celly kept saying, “come on dude its time to break your fast.” “Not yet I’m just getting started,” I replied. “How long are you going to go dude? I thought you were going to start eating March 1st.” “I am” I replied. “Well get out of bed then dude it’s the first.” I checked by the morning news and sure enough it was. The world I visited being so much more vast than ours must have different time than here. Time here moved as fast as he did to the castle. I began to think this was the most incredible dream and I remembered every detail until I came back into the cell and on the table was the compass pointing to my Bible. I got so excited I wrote this letter to you in just a few hours. My darling I think there is something about time passing quickly if we stay in the world of faith, hope and love that is very profound. Just maybe our trial which has dragged on now near these two years shall pass to its finish in the timing of the world above. Let it be so because I love you and long for your embrace.

P.S. I had placed this letter in an unsealed envelope to insert something else and threw it onto the table and immediately the compass pointed towards it. I picked it up the letter to add this postscript and the compass vanished. I was so disappointed I wanted to show it to you at visiting. Hopefully the truth of this text will speak for itself. I prayed and asked God why this gift and then its loss. The answer came instantly the compass was just to show you visually what already exists inside you by the Holy Spirit that is how you were able to make all the right choices in the maze and now you need to trust that internal compass to make your final right choices to over come the evil darkness that has you under pressure in your trial. This dream (I think) made me desire even more to stay tethered to my lifeline and to be in this world but not of it. It is my hope by sharing it with you that you likewise will be inspired.

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sounds like you got a hold of a bad piece of pizza

I don't blame you

You gotta do something to fill all your boring time


I look forward to many more of these types of stoies in the next 25 years that you are behind bars

Cheers

near the end said...

tcob247, You must not be a Christian.

tcob247 said...

what does that have to do with anything?

near the end said...

ALOT

justice77777777 said...

near the end said...
tcob247, You must not be a Christian.

Are you, "nte"? I guess is that you are not, or you wouldn't continue to badger "neodemes" the way you continually do.

a little something to make you go, hmmmmmmm.

mogel said...

nte?

near the end said...

justice7777777; It is obvious by your remarks you are not a christian!!!!

near the end said...

Neo is not a christian.

tcob247 said...

and now you are God to make these judgements?

near the end said...

Nope; I judge noone!!!!!!!!!

jimithy said...

Kurt, I sent you a letter through the post office several weeks ago. I got it back today saying it was refused and also that it was undeliverable. It had also been opened and then taped back shut. That is okay if you did that but not if you did not. Can you answer this query before I file a complaint at the post office.

neodemes said...

Kurt, can you shorten your posts, please?

I don't have the time to read them and I sure wouldn't want to miss any pearls.

Thanks.

nte - can you say "grieving the Holy Spirit"?

Sure ya can.

Its a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

mogel said...

"The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled." John Kenneth Galbraith, Economist - Money: Whence It came, where it went

mogel said...

"It essence, the present creation of money, out of nothing by the banking system, is simliar to the creation of money by counterfeiters, so rightly condemned by law. In concrete terms, it leads to the same results. The only diffrence is that those who benefit from it are different people."
Maurice Allais, 1998 Economics Nobel Laucreate, p. 29, The Monetary Conditions of a Market Economy.

mogel said...

Subject matter jurisdiction is the authority of the court to hear and make a determination in a court action. Without subject matter jurisdiction, all of the orders and judgments issued by a judge ARE VOID under law and are of no legal force or effect. In Interest of M.V., 288 Ill. App. 3d 300, 681 N.E. 2d 532 (1st Dist. 1997).

When a court's power to act is controlled by statute, the court is governed by the rules of limited jurisdiction [Citation] and courts exercising jurisdiction over such matters MUST PROCEED WITHIN THE STRUCTURES OF THE STATUTE. In re M.M., 156 Ill.2d 53, 619 N.E. 2d 702 (1993)

NO PRESUMPTION OF JURISDICTION

1. If subject-matter jurisdiction does not appear FROM THE RECORD of the case, the presiding Judge is acting without subject-matter jurisdiction and his/her orders are void, of no legal force or effect.
State Bank of Lake Zurich v. Thill, 113 Ill. 2d 294, 497 N.E. 2d 1156 (1986).

2. The record must show the facts necessary to give the Court jurisdiction and the record must show that the statute was complied with.

3. A judgment is characterized as void and may be collaterally ATTACKED AT ANY TIME where the record itself furnished the facts which establish that the court acted without jurisdiction.
In re Marriage of Stefiniw 253 Ill. App.3d 196, 625 N.E. 2d 358 (1st Dist. 1993)

4. Whereas a court of general jurisdiction is presumed to have jurisdiction to render any judgment in a case arising under the common law, THERE IS NO SUCH PRESUMPTION OF JURISDICTION in cases arising under a SPECIFIC STATUTORY GRANT OF AUTHORITY. In the latter cases, the record must reveal the facts which authorize the court to act.
People v. Byrnes, 34 Ill. App. 3d 983, 341 N.E. 2d 729 (2nd Dist. 1975)

5. The Judge has a duty to CONTINUALLY inspect the record of the case, and if subject-matter jurisdiction does not appear at any time from the record of the case, then he has the duty to DISMISS THE CASE as lacking subject-matter jurisdiction. Should a judge act in any case in which he does not have subject-matter jurisdiction, he is ACTING UNLAWFULLY.
U.S. v. Will 449, U.S. 200, 216, 101 S. Ct. 471, 66L. Ed 2d 392, 406 (1980) Cohens v. Virginia, 19 U.S. (6 Wheat) 264, 404, 5 L.Ed 257 (1821), and without ANY JUDICIAL AUTHORITY.

mogel said...

When a Party Denies Jurisdiction

1. In a court of limited jurisdiction, whenever a party denies that the court has subject-matter jurisdiction, it becomes the duty and the burden of the party claiming that the court has subject-matter jurisdiction to provide evidence from the record of the case that the court holds subject-matter jurisdiction.
Bindell v. City of Harvey, 212 Ill. App.3d 1042, 571 N.E. 2d 1017 (1st Dist. 1991) ("the burden of proving jurisdiction rests upon the party aserting it."

2. Until the plaintiff/petitioner submits UNCONTROVERTED EVIDENCE of subject-matter jurisdiction to the court that the court has subject-matter jurisdiction, the court is proceeding WITHOUT SUBJECT-MATTER JURISDICTION.

3. The law places the duty and the burden upon the plaintiff/petitioner. Should the court attempt to place the burden upon the defendant/respondent, the court has acted against the law, violates the defendant/respondent's due process rights, and the Juge under court decision has IMMEDIATELY LOST SUBJECT-MATTER JURISDICTION.

mogel said...

COURT MUST PROCEED ACCORDING TO THE LAW OR STATUTE

1. In a court of limited jurisdiction, the court must proceed EXACTLY according to ther law or Statute under which it operates.
Flake v. Pretzel 381 Ill. 498, 46 N.F. 2d 375 (1943) ("the actions, being statutory proceedings,....were void for want of power to make them." ("the judgments were based on orders which were void because the court exceeded it's jurisdiction in entering them. When a court, after acquiring jurisdiction of a subject matter, as here, transcends the limits of the jurisdiction conferred, IT'S JUDGMENT IS VOID.")

mogel said...

IN COURTS OF LIMITED JURISDICTION, ALL ORDERS MUST CONTAIN THE SPECIFIC FINDINGS THAT THE COURT HAS JURISDICTION

1. All orders or judgments by a judge in a court of limited jurisdiction must contain the findings of the court showing that the court has subject-matter jurisdiction, NOT ALLEGATIONS THAT THE COURT HAS JURISDICTION.

2. If the Court is not impartial, the Court lacks personal jurisdiction.

3. If the complaint fails to state a claim that sufficiently establishes a case, then there is lack of subject matter jurisdiction. IF THERE IS NO WITNESSES OR NO EVIDENCE, then, the controversy has not been established by sufficient pleadings.

4. Courts can always consider questions as to subject matter-jurisdiction on appeal and in courts below.
US v. Prestenbuch 230F. 3d 780 (2000)

5. Jurisdiction over a defendant requires both personal and subject matter jurisdiction."
Boles v. State 717 So.2d877 (1998)

6. Subject matter jurisdiction is determined from pleadings."
Hall vs. State, 933 S.W. 2d 363 326 Ark 318, 326 Ark. 823 rehearing denied (1996)

7. In legal prosecution, ALL LEGAL REQUISITES must be complied with to confer jurisdiction on the court in criminal matters, as district attorney CANNOT CONFER JURISDICTION BY WILL ALONE.
People vs. Page 667 N.Y.S. 2d 687, 177 Misc. 2d 448 (1998)
Has this been accomplished in the Dorean trial????????? LOL LOL

8. Where the Court is without jurisdiction IT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO DISMISS THE CASE.
Fontenot v. State 932 S.W.2d 185

9. No valid conviction can occur if the charging instrument is void.
State v. Wilson, 6 S.W.3d504 (1998)

near the end said...

Bruce W. Macomber; Why did you file "BANKRUPTCY"?

near the end said...

Or would you rather be called "NEODEMES"?

tcob247 said...

near the end said...
justice7777777; It is obvious by your remarks you are not a christian!!!!

4:12 PM


near the end said...
Neo is not a christian.

4:14 PM


tcob247 said...
and now you are God to make these judgements?

5:35 PM


near the end said...
Nope; I judge noone!!!!!!!!!



UUUMMMMMMMM
When you make a statement that someone isnt a Christian.....

That is called JUDGING

Maybe you really are stupid

(thats a judgement)

near the end said...

Nope, I judge noone!!!!!!

near the end said...

tcob, "Your a stupid idiot"

that's not a judgement that's a fact. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!

mogel said...

The Defendants are "sovereign" spoken of in Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 US 356, 370

Sovereignty itself is, of course not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts;
Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 US 356, 370.

The agrieved Defendants demand that the prosecutor, should attempt to dispute their claim of right as a sovereign flesh and blood person, WHO IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW (legislative law) as stated by Supreme Court Justice Mathews in Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 US 356, 370, and show proof to the court that, the United States Supreme has overturned this landmark case.

Mr. Ryan can't do that.

Defendants have no contract or agreement with the US Government. Defendants are not a party of the body politic or corporate. Defendants have not joined in the captioned suit.

Defendants have appeared under threat, duress, and coercion, only to protect Aggrieved Defendant's interests, without any appearance of an adverse party, where the judge was not an impartial party, but also prosectuion, which is a conflict of interests and gives rise to VIOLATIONS OF DUE PROCESS RIGHTS of the alleged defendants, who is now aggrieved because of such impartiality, AND AS OF SUCH THE FEDERAL COURT HAS LOST IMMUNITY AND ANY PRECONCEIVED JURISIDCTION.

Furthermore investigation shows that there was no probable cause for the arrest and seizure at the time of such arrest and seizure. There was no disturbance of the peace, felony, or warrant for such action, leading to another cause of action against the Plaintiff and Officer for harassment.

In the interest of justice and to preclude further injury to the Aggrieved Defendants, Defendants should motion the court to dismiss for FAILURE to establish probable cause of any of the charges, within the allotted legal time, therefore the court has no jurisdiction in the matter.

Aggrieved Defendants should motion the court to dismiss for failure to establish probable cause and a contested hearing WITHIN 90 DAYS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, therefore any jurisidiction is LOST IN THE MATTERS.

Aggrieved Defendants should motion the court to dismiss for lack of prosecution at hearing. Prosecution failed to invoke jurisdiction, wherefore the court has lost any alleged jurisdiction and has denied an adversarial proceeding amounting to lack of due process.

Aggrieved Defendants declare that the venue is improper, in that the alleged infractions did not occur upon any Federal property and as such must be dismissed.

Aggrieved Defendants should motion to dismiss the charges for failure to explain the nature and cause of the accusations, thereby leaving the Defendants in ignorance and without aid of knowledge to prepare a knowledgeable defense, and this amounts to denial of due process.

Aggrieved Defendants should further motion the court to dismiss for statutory authorization of officer to issue a "NOTICE TO APPEAR", or provide such statute that authorize such form to be issued by a member of the executive branch.

Aggrieved Defendants should object to the marital law war powers summary judgment of the Federal court and lack of due process, and they should reserve all their rights under the common law including the right to appeal, without cost and that they do not voluntarily waive any rights.

mogel said...

Because of Judge Alsup's superior knowledge of the law, and his witnessing constitutional wrongs through fraudulent violations or rights, privileges and immunitiies, this equates to felony perjury of oath, and injury to the rights of said Defendants, constitutes an actionable offense with no immunity, by failure to act upon a ministerial duty.

No, I wouldn't want to be Judge Alsup. He's digging a grave for himself.

mogel said...

The Judge needs to immediately dismiss the phony charges based upon (1) Plaintiff's failure to join the correct party, (2) Failure to state a claim (3) Failure of lack of jurisdiction

The longer this charade goes on, the more proof there is that the court and prosecution have acted in bad faith & have perverted and used the legal process to injure the Defendants constitutional and property rights.

mogel said...

The prosecutions failure to rebut on a point by point basis of the "affidavit of truth" in the Dorean presentment, equates to stipulation of the facts that there was no bank fraud, and if there is no bank fraud, all of the other charges of mail fraud, wire fraud, along can't exist, and that the court has failed to join an indispensable party, or proper party, failure to state a claim upon which relief may be granted, and lack of jurisdiction, that the Federal Government has employed war powers against it's citizenry contrary to constitutions and aggrieved Defendant's law is the law of his creator and is severable, not being a party to the body corporate or politic.

Wherefore in the interest of justice the court must dismiss the case sua sponte.

Sua sponte: of itself, or of one's self, i.e., WITHOUT BEING PROMPTED, as where the court moves to declare a mistrial "sua sponte," that is, through the court's own volition [ on its own motion], without such a motion being made by either of the adverse parties.

Any refusals to ministerial dismiss shows bias and prejudice and perjury of oath of office, causing an actionable injury to the Defendants through and by use of war powers.

wantobefree said...

Blah blah blah blah biah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Thank you byron i feel so much smarter reading your post,i didnt realize how stupid i really was till this blog,lol.Near the End how that fishing tour go its been awhile only get on here when i feel dum.Byron perks me up with his bullshit.

near the end said...

Fishin was bad we did not even place.

We caught 3 Blues and 1 White Marlin but all small. Oh well that's fishin

near the end said...

Mogel; I think means well.

If you really look at the UCC shit I think Kurt and Scott really are on the right track.

The naysayers really don't want to go there though I wonder why?

mogel said...

UCC law has been adopted by all of the States, and is international law & shows how commerce is suppose to work. The fact that Dorean completed followed the UCC law in their presentment to all the clients lenders proves that they could not have violated any State or Federal laws. The charges by the prosecution are bogus & made up & are nothing more than a smoke screen.

Now the prosecution want to get the judge to grant a motion that the UCC can't be brought up in court at all.

The prosecution believes that even quoting a law or referring to it in court is tantamount to interpreting law which is only the Judge's perogative, so they want the Defendants to even be restrained from doing so.

The prosecution doesn't want to discuss the UCC in court because it will set the Defendants free, even though the Judge should have done that long ago, but we're dealing with corruption & collusion, so it's a hard nut to crack.

mogel said...

Correction: The fact that Dorean COMPLETELY FOLLOWED THE UCC.....

mogel said...

Does commerce involve lending & banking? Why wouldn't it? Both are involved on an international level and scale.

Stillwaiting said...

http://www.freedomtofacism.com/

Copy and Paste the above. This was on TV last night. Not on a channel that most people watch but was very interesting to say the lest.
I'll wait for your comments. I am sure there will be a million of them. So I'll be Stillwaiting..........

mogel said...

It's interesting to note some of the objectives of the "freedom of facism site are:

1. Educate juries to the fact that they have the right to determine the law as well as the facts of a case
2. Educate juries to the fact that they are not obligated to follow the instructions of a judge


Some might count on the jury knowing about the principle of jury nullification, knowing that they have the right and the duty to judge not only the facts of the case but the law itself, despite what the judge may tell the jury. Federal judges know that juries may judge the law and disregard their instructions to the contrary, but they are not required to inform them of that right. Sadly, this is not something that is taught in government school either. This is not to say that Title 26 needs to be ignored! On the contrary, it needs to be enforced as written rather than as rumored incorrectly by federal employees. Read this link for more:

http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/
internet/crim_jury_insts/html/
chap1_8.htm

I hope whoever is picked on the jury at the Dorean trial becomes aware of these facts.

mogel said...

It's not at all unusual to have the power of the advesary (Satan) literally envelope you in darkness, confusion, & fear, just before a great vision of teaching & understanding, peace, and great light: Joseph Smith also had the same experience with the same seemingly systematic elements happening to him:

See Joseph Smith 2: 15-17

Kurt's vision or dream has many of the same similiarities. Because those elements exist, I believe it was a true & divine experience specifically meant for his own strength as well as his wife's to help them remain steadfast in order to finish their calling. Kurt's own words:

"When I awoke (I think) all was the same (maybe). I was staring at the ceiling when suddenly the lights went out. At first it appeared a normal power outage until the DARKNESS consumed my cell. The outside window became dark as coal even darker than night. I have never experienced a darkness so heavy I was literally wearing it. There was no light, I was blind. I BECAME VERY AFRAID. One never really knows how much light and sight are appreciated until they are gone.

Time got a little distorted here because I do not know how long this darkness enveloped me. It may have been brief but felt like forever. I continued my glance forward which was up towards the unseen ceiling. I reached to touch it and it was there which brought a slight comfort by familiarity. Then a very BRIGHT BEAD OF LIGHT began to appear."
________

Other characteristics that all prophets seem to have in common are the following:

1. Their purpose is to find & follow the will of God at all other costs & are not impeded by the whims and purposes of proudful & wordly men.

2. They are all courageous men

3. They all have learned to control their appetites by long periods of fasting

4. They all are very strong willed.

5. They all are governed by a purpose which they hold true and fast to and are very mission oriented & don't give up until they succeed in their calling.

6. They all are blessed with special abilities needed for their calling to be successful.

GR82BMOI said...

“Time got a little distorted here because I do not know how long this darkness enveloped me. It may have been brief but felt like forever. I continued my glance forward which was up towards the unseen ceiling. I reached to touch it and it was there which brought a slight comfort by familiarity. Then a very BRIGHT BEAD OF LIGHT began to appear."

Wow, man…that’s really, really freaky! I had the exact same dream one time back in the 70’s!

near the end said...

gr82bmoi; You must be a NERD cause that's the nerdest post I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!

GR82BMOI said...
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GR82BMOI said...

Then a very BRIGHT BEAD OF LIGHT began to appear...after a few minutes, or maybe a few hours, the light grew bigger, bigger, bigger until I realize it isn’t a light at all, but water and I am totally submerged. Warm water. Crisp, clear, blue water. Under a banyan tree. No, not just ‘A’ banyan tree, THE banyan tree and hey(!) there’s Jerry, Jerry Garcia(!) and he’s floating by, smiling.... Suddenly the water and the banyan roots intertwined and swirl purple and green and orange and well...psychedelic colors just as Jerry shouts:

You sit there a-crying, crying in your beer
You say you got trouble, my friend listen here
Don't tell me your troubles, I got enough of my own
Be thankful you're living, drink up and go home

I'm fresh out of prison, six years in the pen
Lost my wife and family, no one to call friend
Don't tell me your troubles, I got enough of my own
Be thankful you're living, drink up and go home

I scream back: “Jerry, YOU”RE A PROPHET! You must tell the world about KAOS - the International Organization of Evil – before they transfer all their powers to the banks and ruin us all!” Jerry (with a big grin on his face), says “I’ll leave that to Smart” and out of his left ear swam Little Jerry, who is still with all that truly, truly believe. The End.

notarial dissent said...

Poor Moogie, still doesn’t have a clue and doesn’t yet get the difference between civil and criminal, and state and federal charges.

I never cease to be amazed at your ability to cut and paste, just your inability to read and comprehend what you have cut and pasted. Civil cases have nothing to do with criminal cases, and state cases seldom have any bearing on federal ones.

In any event, since the dim duo were indicted by a FEDERAL grand jury, on FEDERAL charges, the violations have more than been spelled out, and since they are FEDERAL crimes, the FEDERAL court has jurisdiction, and to please you, SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. The dim duo are more than free to challenge it at any time, however, the judge will also be able to say that “USC whatever says I do, so sit down and shut up!”

So much for one long and pointless Moogie rant.

The trial briefs when presented will supply not only the statutes violated, but the authority to act by the gov’t and court, and so much for another pointless Moogie rant, which if Moogie knew anything about court procedures, rather than just mindlessly parroting something he got off the internet, he would have known that instead of just carrying on pointlessly.

A miracle, Moogs got something right at last, [qoute] COURT MUST PROCEED ACCORDING TO THE LAW OR STATUTE[/quote] and that is exactly what they will be doing.

The complaint is quite specific and states the charges in glowing detail and as to what statutes they violated, and thanks to the overweening egos of the dim duo, there is more than a sufficiency of evidence, mostly in and by their own hands to convict them.

If you are going to quote something Moogs, it is always a good idea to actually read it and get the quote right, you have no idea what Yick Wo is about as you have shown, and it isn’t even remotely about anything connected with this matter. Sovereignty as it was referred to in this matter refers to nations, not individuals, and again, you have no idea what the case was about.

Contract does not enter into this matter, and whether they like it or not, approve of it or not, or believe it or not, they are subject to the laws of the state and nation, and subject to the penalties for violating same. As to the rest of your blather, you are delusional.

As to no probably cause, I would call going into open court and trying to perpetrate what can only be labeled as an open and notorious fraud both upon the court but upon numerous individuals, and then providing sufficient proof not only of the fraud, but the intent, and ongoing intent to commit an open and nefarious fraud would be more than sufficient reason for not only the arrest of the dim duo, but the seizure of their assets and the injunction against their activities. There was indeed felony, theft and fraud against individuals, and federal institutions, so there was indeed more than adequate reason for the actions taken. Another Moogie blather bites the dust.

I’m curious, how does one commit a “fraudulent violation of rights, privileges and immunities”?

Right Moogs, the judge is just going to suddenly decide that it was all just a terrible misunderstanding and that dim and dimmer haven’t defrauded anyone or broken any of the numerous laws they have been charged with breaking, and there’ll be pork in the treetops come supper time too. Your grip is even looser than the dim duos if you actually believe this.

Moogs, not sure what realm of dementia you are currently claiming citizenship of, but the boys so called "affidavit of truth" as the scrap paper I use to line my garbage can with, in other words, NONE. It is legally and realistically meaningless, rather like all the rest of the pseudo legal arguments the dim duo have made of late.

Gasp, shock and shudder, Moogles got two things right, well actually only one and a half since the rest of the statement is dead wrong, in the same blathering post, or at least he copied to accurate bits of information as opposed to his usual run of pirated nonsense. The UCC is not valid outside of or recognized outside of the US, sorry Moogs, wrong again. The so very dead wrong. The UCC is not valid in real estate transactions, and so is totally irrelevant to the matter at hand, and actually since some of their actions even with the UCC constitute fraud they would be in trouble there if it applied. And, even at that, the UCC is only involved in acts of commerce, and does not speak to anything criminal, that falls to the fraud statutes, so wrong again Moogs.

Since the UCC has no validity in real estate and forgery fraud, there is no reason it should or could be part of the trial, and ever reason to not let it be used as a distraction.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Sovereignty as it was referred to in this matter refers to nations, not individuals, and again, you have no idea what the case was about."
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First of all the case was not about NATIONS. Obviously, this is proof positive that you know nothing about this case & nothing about the things you rant & rave about & haven't read this case & don't know the particular events in the case that caused the ruling.

The case was about a Chinese laundry mat owner that was required to update his laundry mat due to some statute on the books. The statute was designed just to put a financial hardship on Chinese owners in the City & put them out of business, so the statute was unconscienceable anyway.

It was determined in court that he was not subject to this statute due to being a sovereign person & hence not required to update his laundry business from a wooden structure to a brick structure as the statute dictated. How you determined this case was about nations is certainly beyond all imagination!!!!

Obviously, you know NOTHING ABOUT THE Yick Wo CASE. YOUR IGNORNANCE IS ASTOUNDING. Or maybe you are just making things up again or even lying.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "actually since some of their actions even with the UCC CONSTITUTE FRAUD they would be in trouble there if it applied. And, even at that, the UCC is only involved in acts of commerce, and DOES NOT SPEAK TO ANYTHING CRIMINAL, that falls to the fraud statutes, so wrong again Moogs."
_______________________________

Am I the only person that thinks that this statement above is contradictory in nature? Maybe you're the one delusional?

The loan process involves theft & fraud of personal property, the promissory note, so why do you keep bringing up "real estate" in your arguments with discussing the UCC? I already know the UCC has nothing to do with real estate.

Real estate is NOT personal property, we can agree on that. The center of the bank's fraud revolves around personal property, the promissory note.

mogel said...

This statement of yours appears to be the one of your statements you were talking about of "two mutually exclusive events that can't exist or happen, at the same time, but seemingly do, yet you believe they can, which I think is delusional, but I don't know for sure of your imbalanced state because I'm not a trained professional.

This statement of yours about the relationship between fraud & the UCC is even better than your example to explain this paradox than your previous statement: "when did you stop beating your wife" statement," as an example of something that can't be brought up in court. Let's slowly read this again. You're own words:

"actually since some of their actions even with the UCC CONSTITUTE FRAUD they would be in trouble there if it applied. And, even at that, the UCC is only involved in acts of commerce, and DOES NOT SPEAK TO ANYTHING CRIMINAL, that falls to the fraud statutes, so wrong again Moogs."

Actions constitute fraud, but can't be fraud because the UCC is involved. "Can" and "can't" at the same time existing. They are suppose to be mutually exclusive, but aren't since the conditions exist simultaneously.

notarial dissent said...

Moogie, I just love your consistency, you are so predictable, and predicably wrong as usual. I just knew you would bring up the old sovereign citizen drivel, and sure enough you did, wrong there too.

For your edification, and because I like to rub your nose in your ignorance, herewith lies the take of Yick Wo sometime laundryman, and subject of the Emporer of China. Yick Wo was a laundryman, as were many of his countrymen at the time, living in San Francisco at the turn of the century. The Chinese, being the scapegoats du jour, were not particularly well liked or tolerated by the local population, and CA had a history of passing severely restritcting laws and ordinances to make their lives as difficult as possible. The one with which we are concerned had to do with laundries, particularly those built of wood, as most of the Chinese laundries of the time were, and not brick as most of the Anglo ones were. Now reasonably, the local government was within its rights to pass ordinances for the protection of its citizens, and the court agreed that in and of itself there was nothing wrong with the law under which Yick Wo had been prosecuted, and eventually arrested under. What was wrong, was that the only ones the law was enforced against were the Chinese, and that they had been particularly singled out for enforcement, and this the [b]SUPREME COURT[/b] decreed and declared was an unlawful and prejudicial enforcement of the law, prohibited by the 14th Amendment under the heading of equal protection before the law, and Yick Wo’s conviction was overturned and the use of the law in that manner forbidden. So much for your sovereign citizen garbage, or your knowledge of the case.

Obviously, it is you, Moogs, who knows nothing of the case.

Moogems, I have at least read the UCC, boring as it is, so I do know what I am talking about, as you obviously haven’t, since you don’t seem to be aware that there is nothing in it about criminal activity or law. Any criminal action falls back under the state fraud statutes.

So, if as you say, there was fraud in the loan process, then the recourse would be to the criminal statutes, since there is nothing in the UCC that addresses the matter. I’m sorry Moogie, I thought you had figured out by now that the pn, and the deed of trust were inextricably tied to the real estate transaction, and since they wouldn’t exist otherwise, they come under real estate law, at least every state in the union seems to think so.

Moogie, when you get around to making a coherent statement, let me know. The UCC is concerned only with certain types of business transactions, and nothing else, specifically not anything to do with real estate transactions. The fraud statutes have to do with fraud. As near as I can make out from your ranting drivel, the only thing I can respond to is that the filing of any UCC document without valid authorization is fraud, and if I remember you correctly, the dim duo has filed a whole collection of UCC documents with the CA Sec of State purporting to be administrative default claims, which will certainly be considered fraud when the authorities get around to cleaning up the mess.

Signing and filing documents without proper authorization also constitutes fraud, and the dim duo are guilty of multiple counts of that as well.

neodemes said...

Not to mention, compounding the foolishness by drawing up, printing out and distributing sight drafts.

:-0

:-)

neodemes said...

How will they get a fair trial, by a jury of their peers???

Where will they find 12 frickin' 'tards???


LOL

mogel said...

Norial Dissent said: "the local government was within its rights to pass ordinances for the protection of its citizens, and the court agreed that in and of itself there was nothing wrong with the law under which Yick Wo had been prosecuted, and eventually arrested under.
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You're right! It's a very dangerous thing to go into a wooden building, so the government had to pass an ordinance to protect non-chinese people. You might get termites or something on you by going into a chinese wooden building laundrymat, not to mention the fact that they were Chinese that did their wash there, you might get koodies too on your clothes & being Caucasion, it could cause irreparable damage to especially that race of people.

It's kind of like the same logic why black people during the 60's had to use separate bathrooms, and why had to sit in the back of the bus.

By the way, when's your next KKK meeting?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "I thought you had figured out by now that the pn, and the deed of trust were inextricably tied to the real estate transaction,"
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If that were true, there wouldn't be so many "so called lost promissory notes that lenders have lost or can't find". They can't find them because they have sold them for value & no longer have them in their possession. They were illegally enriched by them. Herein lies the fraud that you seem to deny doesn't exist. Something that is tied to something else cannot be separated or unattached or be a separate asset alone by itself. The pn is one asset, the real estate is another separate asset, and the deed of trust is still another separate asset.

If you truly believed that the pn & the deed of trust are tied, then, why sign two separate instruments at closing? Why not just include the promissory note & the deed of trust into one instrument to be signed? Why not record the promissory note too if it's inextricable tied together. Why just record the deed of trust?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Now reasonably, the local government was within its rights to pass ordinances for the protection of its citizens,"
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We both know that the local statute pertaining to laundrymats sole aim was to disciminate & harrass & put the Chinese out of business, not to protect anyone.

After you explaining the particulars & history of the case, it is obvious you can't believe otherwise, unless you in fact are incredibly dumb, so where does the "protection" come in pertaining to this specific case and statute?

You must believe all brick building are perfectly safe simply because they are brick too then? Oh let's see, let's pass a law that you can't build with wood at all too for the protection of everyone. Let's put the screws to the timber industry too, all in the name of safety. Let's do it in the name of protecting the habitat of the owl who is on the endangered specie list so that we look noble.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "How will they get a fair trial, by a jury of their peers???

Where will they find 12 frickin' 'tards???"
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Yep! The only fair or reasonable thing to do would be to dismiss the case or settle this, since it's untryable due to the vast prejudice and brainwashing that abounds. It's a good thing you recognize this.

mogel said...

By the Court ruling that the UCC can't be used in the trial, the court effectively has taken away the Defendants right to call into issue the following defenses from the Uniform Commerical Code Article 3-602, 603, & 604

3-602 PAYMENT "(2) the person making payment knows that the instrument is a stolen instrument and pays a person it knows is in wrongful possession of the instrument.

(f) As used in this section, "signed," with respect to a record that is not a writing, includes the attachment to or logical association with the record of an electronic symbol, sound, or process to or with the record with the present intent to adopt or accept the record.

§ 3-603. TENDER OF PAYMENT.

(a) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument, the effect of tender is governed by principles of law applicable to tender of payment under a simple contract.

(b) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument AND THE TENDER IS REFUSED, THERE IS A DISCHARGE, TO THE EXTENT OF THE AMOUNT OF THE TENDER, of the obligation of an indorser or accommodation party having a right of recourse with respect to the obligation to which the tender relates.

(§ 3-604. DISCHARGE BY CANCELLATION OR RENUNCIATION.

(a) A person entitled to enforce an instrument, with or without consideration, may discharge the obligation of a party to pay the instrument (i) BY AN INTERNAL VOLUNTARY ACT, such as surrender of the instrument to the party, destruction, mutilation, or cancellation of the instrument, cancellation or striking out of the party's signature, OR THE ADDITION OF WORDS TO THE INSTRUMENT INDICATING DISCHARGE, (ii) by agreeing not to sue or otherwise renouncing rights against the party by a signed record.
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The Dorean Group made a "tender of payment" by bonding their presentment & offer to the bank for each client. The lender either accepted the bond, for the clients debt, which nullifies the debt, so the deed of reconconveyance or discharge of mortgage is no fraudulent act by the Dorean trustee or the lender either refused the tender of payment, which in that case, the debt is discharged anyway too, so there can't be any bank fraud ever brought up that would stick anyway.

If there is no bank fraud that can be maintained, then, there also can't be any mail fraud, or wire fraud, or contempt of court since there could have never existed a scam in the first place.

Now if the prosecution wants to collaterally attack the legitimacy of the tender of payment or the the dorean subrogation bond and the assets backing the bond, let them do that, for that will only substantiate further that there CAN'T BE ANY BANK FRAUD MAINTAINED WHATSOEVER for that will only show that the tender of payment was made in good faith as a remedy for the bank in case of any possible damages & the banks continued bad behaviour by expecting clients to continue to make their monthly payments after the paperwork was filed at the County Recorders Office taken away legal title from the lender, further proves more damages for clients for it shows that the lenders are greedy and want to be paid AGAIN, even though the subrogation bond gave them TWICE what was allegedly due anyway.

If the lender wrongfully altered or forged the promissory note without full disclosure of the lending process completely spelled out, which they did, or selling an instrument without paying consideration for, then the clients debt is also discharged according to UCC Article 3-602, & Aricle 3-604.

So if the Court wants to rule that the UCC contains frivolous argments in these criminal matters, than Judge Alsup loses subject matter jurisdiction in this trial. In that case, whatever judgment comes from this trial is also void because he acted improperly to prejudice the outcome of this trial by limited the defenses of the Defendants CONTAINED IN THE LAW.

notarial dissent said...

Moogs, I shouldn’t be surprised at your ignorance, but that fact that you continue to trot it out for public amusement is amazing.

In the first place, laundrymat/laundramat is late 20th C invention, the laundries of the Chinese of the time were processing operations, and in order to clean the clothes they processed it was required that they had to heat and boil water to clean the clothes, and to do this required fires, large fires. Now use your minimal excuse for an intellect and put fire and wooden building together in the same vacuum cell you call a brain and think about what happens when you mix fire and wooden buildings, and I will pretend that you didn’t make that vulgar little diatribe.

The city fathers were, rightly, concerned about the possibility of a devastating fire, and considering that San Francisco had had several severe fires in its short existence and they were well within their rights to prefer wash houses be built of brick rather than wood, they were not within their rights to only enforce it against one set of people.

What the case was about, however, was that the law was enforced against the Chinese and not against the Anglo proprietors, thus the “unequal treatment” under the law, and not allowable under the 14th Amendment, which was what the case was about.

The problem with your stolen PN theory is that is that if they had actually been sold away from the DOT then they would eventually show back up in someone else’s hands, expecting to be paid off, and yet they never do. A PN is of no value unless it can be collected upon.

I don’t just believe that the PN and the DOT are inextricably tied, the law believes they are as well. You sign a PN as your promise to repay the money you borrowed, you sign the DOT as surety that you will repay the loan and to indemnify the lender. As to why they do it the way they do, it is just the way it has been done all these years. I never said it made sense, just that was the way it was done.

I never said anything one way or another about the law, I simply reported what the court had said, that on its face there was nothing wrong with the law itself, but that it was enforced unequally is what violated the “equal protection clause”. There is also no question that the ordinance was used to harass the Chinese, and anyone who wasn’t in favor with the city, I should think this would be obvious. The "protection" part comes in with the Supreme Court saying that the law had been enforced unevenly and that the Yick Wo’s arrest and jailing was unconstitutional.

Not that it is relevant, but a brick building is preferable to a wooden one as a fire deterrent, even to you that should be obvious. Mooney, you blather when you don’t really have anything to say, and you are also tedious.

Hate to break it to you Moogs, but the dim duo are of such little interest or concern to most of the populace, that finding a jury who has ever even heard of them will be of very little difficultly. As to Nemo’s snipe, while I agree in principal, twelve uninterested citizens of legal age and ability from the state of California will suffice, and I quite frankly believe that they will have no problem seeing the dim duo for the pathetic and vicious frauds that they are and deal with them accordingly.

mogel said...

Let me rephrase my last statement a little better: In that case, whatever PREJUDICIAL judgment comes from this CRIMINAL trial ADVERSE TO THE DEFENDANTS INTERESTS, is also void because THE JUDGE acted improperly to prejudice the outcome of this trial by LIMITING the defenses of the Defendants CONTAINED IN THE UCC LAW.

Notarial Dissent, you can put that in your pipe & smoke it too.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: The "protection" part comes in with the Supreme Court saying that the LAW HAD BEEN ENFORCED UNEVENLY and that the Yick Wo’s arrest and jailing was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
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You know, you may be on to something there. You repeatedly have said that all dorean participants that participated in the dorean process will get nothing since they are not injured parties but colluded together in some sort of scam by way of participation.

So judging by your last logic & comments, than by virtue of the fact that PRETTY MUCH all 4,000 + clients have not been indicted too is further proof that their is not equal protection under the law and that certain INDICTED people are being treated unequally & even harassed that are facing criminal charges in these matters in CA.

Maybe the fraud statutes you refer to which this CA criminal trial is based upon is only doing "selective prosecution" under the law, which seems to be a reason to disregard these discriminatory statutes & ACQUIT not only Yic Wo but also Kurt & Scott & the other four Defendants too based upon constitutional issues as you said.

Maybe since all of the Defendants JUST HAPPEN TO BE WHITE CAUCASIONS, it could be some sort of white discrimination involved here & there's got to be some constitutional issues involved too which would explain this "selective prosecution" WHICH MISTAKE WILL EVENTUALLY FREE AND REDEEM THE DEFENDANTS HONOR. :o)

neodemes said...

Assuming that there ever were 4000+ clients, it would make much more sense to convict the duo first and then go after the willing sheeple. That would include you, too, moogster.

Good luck with that.

Rave on!

KYHOOYA said...

notarial dissent said...
Moogs, I shouldn’t be surprised at your ignorance, but that fact that you continue to trot it out for public amusement is amazing
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So (Neo) or ist it (Seen it in Utah) why don't you people post under your normal Blog name instead of hide behind some other one like this one?

It must be that you think that people will give you shit or that you have been shown for the one sided lemming person you are.

Your posting carry the same old derogs. in them as do the other post of these toward certain persons on here so it would be some far cry to think that iyt's not one in the same posting just different names and my guess is that it is Neo doing it.

Must be kinda bord over at that site of his. I Stopped by to see what the placed looked like and seee for myself if it was true that you would be shuting down do to lack of interest . I have to say looking around it would'nt be a big loss to close it being the only persons who have posted on there are you and maybe one other back to Jan. 2007.

I vote you keep open that site so you have something to keep yyou from over here and all of you bullshit posting cus youy have about the size of a nats ass for anyone with a mind of their own and not just some lemming that follows what evert that big eye in the sky tells you to beleive go back to that sad site of your and keep with your normal onesideed view and don't letanyone have another way of thinking or you might have to make fun of tthem along with your onetime cronnys by your side or better yet post their personal info in some attempt at making them to stop haveing their own minds. ya that will be a gopod move try rtha one you piece of bog shit for a man.

with people like you it would be no wonder how the Gov't can do what ever they wanyt these days . what do they have to worry about anyway?

Heard anything about that little rebuild and the blackeye of an area called New Orleans latly I bet not a word cause the news is tow afrade to say anything for they might bring the rath of old Goerge Bush and his hench men down on themselfs for speaking the wrong thing I mean when one reporter ask the question " so mr. Bush how will you deal with the problem of fema and the mess that is caused by the handelinmg of everthing" the reponce was " Problem I don't see any problem here do you miss Black" everything looks like it being handeled just fine look we have sent in buses to get people out the army corp of blah balha "

if you would have seen it you could seethat the message was lpud and clear to that reporter that she should watch what see ask from now on or there could be so problem for her not to say there was'nt anyway.

or hey lets leak the name of an undercover agaent of the gov't because you don't like what her husban said about you or your handleing of something, ya that s a way of the new Gove't to work by means of ruthless and underhanded rightwinged war to keep the office the way they want it to be without any chechs or watches from outsiders like the american people . (them there is Dan rathers and that little miss hap that lead to this quote from him when asked about him reporting the news in the future he said " report the news I can't report the news the'll linch me if i do that" meaning the fact how Bush set him up.

You all should read a little book called The making oof a pres. and what it spells out hoe Rove and the like worked the campain and the ways theyused to get Bush into office and keep him there when a country was not of the mind to do so.

lets not forget tje voting and the big question of fare play there .

Why to think that a C average at Yale and the little unknown fact about a cocane bust that got wiped off the record from back in the 70s about bush and how he looked when the first debates were held aganist the guy who was a two time gov and was pro ECO and all ya that makes ence that he last and we got the dumb ass who votes no on a plan to cut back the worlds polution being how were the lagest producer of it of all the other huge chooses he has made that are just to show he is so stupid that he damage he has caused will be felt for decades to come start with 17 bill. in the black and in less then a week put the country into war and the red by who knows how much were still adding to it. now that isa system the i'm sure two guys lock up for two years would have know problem cause them to fold and all of the rest of the bullshit that gets posted on the miss rep. things that they do just to try and hide the real story

go on tell me about how good they are and hope the sysytem is on the up and up and please don't boar me with the same old crap of playing dowm the doings of them but in the same time saying that it was only that one thing and it did'nt do that much damage or what ver elses.

oh and Mog I think you can leave the KKK thing at the door I diod'nt see a need for tthat comment everm if I don't like these guy for there thyinking there is no need to go there with crap

My two cent on that



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near the end said...

Neo, You ranted and raved about people paying there fair share of debt and then you went and filed for "BANKRUPTCY".

Why did you scam your creditors like that.

Are you scared to answer a simple question like that Bruce?

mogel said...

It's not just Scott & Kurt that are facing Judges out of control. Here is an email I received of an internet group I frequented at one time. The problem of Judges claiming jurisdiction over matters they have nothing to do with is rampant.

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All,

We had an excellent meeting yesterday in Dansville. Attendance was the best it's been in a long time. I proposed that in addition to the tax rally coming up in Lansing next month that we do a rally at the Federal building in Grand Rapids to protest the illegal jailing of Chuck Conces. A show of hands indicated the vast majority were in favor of the idea.

The rally will be a week from Monday, March 26th in front of the court of Gordon Quist. The address is Gordon J. Quist. 482 Federal Bldg. 110 Michigan St NW. Grand Rapids MI 49503. It wouldn't hurt to write to him if you can't make the rally and let him know you are aware that he is punishing a man as a result of a cause that never established jurisdiction.

We will be there at 11:00 AM with signs protesting Quist's illegal actions. Use your imagination and make a sign to bring. Come even if you don't have a sign. The only thing these government folk understand is the people coming into the streets in outrage over their actions. The more support we have, the better the impact will be. It's entirely possible that we will get news coverage and Quist's illegal actions will be in the papers and on TV. Here are some suggewstions for signs.

Quist doesn't follow the law.
Judges must obey the law, too.
Quist is a traitor!
Acting without jurisdiction is treason!

I'm sure you can come up with many more. It's high time the people started protesting more than just illegal wars and illegal taxes. Illegal actions by judges are becoming far more rampant. Come out and support us! I have attached a map to the federal courthouse.

Ron Goodger
WTPC Michigan State Coordinator







We The People Congress, Inc.
2458 Ridge Road, Queensbury, New York 12804
http://GiveMeLibert y.org/

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mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "As to Nemo’s snipe, while I agree in principal, twelve uninterested citizens of legal age and ability from the state of California will suffice, and I quite frankly believe that they will have no problem seeing the dim duo for the pathetic and vicious frauds that they are and deal with them accordingly."
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Then explain all of the tripe why the prosecutions seems to have such a keen interest in their latest motion to involve the Judge MORE in the Jury selection & to greatly limit who can be on the Jury & what limited participation the Defendants should have in this all important process? Why would the prosecution bring up the Judge's need to exercise more control over that selection process of the Jury if their sole intent isn't to "stack the Jury" with participants that are sympathetic to the prosecutions case? You know it only takes 1 jurror of the 12 to see the truth & believe in Kurt & Scott's stuff to cause the Jury to be unable to render a guilty verdict on all of the counts which would either set them free or cause another trial with a whole new set of jurrors. That shouldn't be too hard to find an honest person somewhere since there's enough honest people on this forum.

The only conclusion would be it's more nonsense that the prosecution is filing recently to delay this trial even longer to consider frivolous motions by the prosecution which sole intent is to disadvantage the Defendants or come up with an excuse to keep the Principals in jail longer.

You know I'm tired of hearing all of the "double talk" I hear from naysayers of the Dorean Process.

For example let's take Nemo's comment. If it makes more sense to use "selective prosecution", & get a conviction against the 2 Principals first & then go after all the other participants & agents later, than Notarial Dissent is incorrect that the Yick Wo case was all about illegal selective discimination that caused Mr. Wo to go free & NOT mostly about sovereignty principals. It's Nemo's thinking that according to Notarial Dissent that caused a favorable ruling for Yick Wo as I interpret things.

Or let's take Judge Beans comment when he says, that the prosecution has already been ruled a scam in the Civil Courts & the outcome of the criminal trial is meaningless as far as the legitimacy of the process because it's already been ruled upon & until the civil ruling is declared void, it will stand forever. Well if that's true Nemo, then, you're statement of getting a criminal conviction first against the 2 Principals & THEN GOING AFTER THE REST OF THE CLIENTS & AGENTS, makes no sense since the criminal proceeding is meaningless to address whether the process is a scam or not because it's already been ruled upon.

However, didn't Judge Alsup assume the process was a scam without evidence in the Civil trial? You can't use previous court rulings on the "vapor money" theory which court rulings violate expert testimony & esteemed witnesses for the last 2 hundred years how money is created by banks.

Something has to be wrong with these court cases that go against what intelligent people like Henry Ford, Einstein, Thomas Jefferson & many of the Presidents & even some infamous bankers when they have explained how lending really works and the inflationary tax that fiat money has on all the citizenry.

If the courts consistently rule & conclude that banks in reality don't really create money, but actually lend it, & that's the basis that the Dorean process is a scam, this most certainly tells me that the courts & Judges are corrupt & can't be trusted on certain issues to deliver the real facts & are in fact protecting special interests. If there is in fact partiality & prejudice, then, certain court case precedences are void by law & can't be used if in fact they are based upon lies or false principles.

mogel said...

Kyooya,

I'm sure Nemo wouldn't post under different usernames. That is not fitting with his style.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "So, if as you say, there was fraud in the loan process, then the recourse would be to the criminal statutes, since there is nothing in the UCC that addresses the matter."
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Let's just list only the main topics under article 3 of the UCC under negotiable instruments to see if fraud is even discussed at all in the UCC and if there are rules that could have been violated in regards to the promissory note

3-302 Holder in Due Course

3-3-3 Value & Consideration

3-3-5 Defenses & Claims
in recoupment

3-307 Notice of Breach of
Fiduciary Duty

3-403 Unathorized Signatures

3-405 Fraudulent Indorsement
By employer

3-406 Negligence contributions to
forced signatures or
alteration of instrument

3-407 Alteration

3-420 Conversion of Instrument

If the promissory note is converted or is considered a security, you have Article 8 that discusses "investment securities" and the rules that govern those things and simliar topics covering the rules of fair play.

Are you sure you've read the whole UCC like you say?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Signing and filing documents without proper authorization also constitutes fraud, and the dim duo are guilty of multiple counts of that as well."
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The only problem with being able to prove that fraud was committed by Dorean Principals is that the Dorean presentment gave an offer to the lending institution. The lending institution accepted that offer through their actions and their silence and default of doing certain things that were required by law.

First of all the lenders actions show that they kept the subrogation bond. They probably even used this financial instrument for further enrichment for the lender. Rumor has it that many of those bonds have shown up in Europe which would make any reasonable person think that they were in fact a marketable & valuable financial instrument.

Secondly the lenders silence to answer the charges is tantamount to agreeing to the charges that the lender had improperly taken legal title to the real estate in the first place under deception.

Since the dorean trustees have a higher obligation to their clients than they do to the clients lending institutions, they are left with no alternative but to record documents that reflected the truth; the truth being that the lender had no valid interest, after the lenders default was proven, and that encroachment by the lender should be extinguished. Correcting a wrong or a mistake is not tantamount to fraud. As a matter of fact it's a fiduciary duty of a trustee to do this. If the trustees neglect the best interests of their clients, they have acted improperly.

In the dorean presentment offer included certain terms. One of those terms was that the trustee for the dorean process received authority and power of attorney to amend the legal title of record pertaining to the clients real estate property. It's all spelled out clearly what was going to happen based upon certain conditions of default in the accepted agreement.

All that the Dorean Group has to show is that the trustees had authority from the client, had authority to make an offer in behalf of the client, that an offer was given to the lender, that an offer was accepted by the lender based upon legal principles, and certain permittable actions were contained in that agreement that justified the trustees to do the things they did, like discharging mortgages of record. You can call it "agency by estoppel" if you like as a legal terminology to justify their actions.

The only thing the Dorean Group is guilty of is following contract law to the letter of the law. The principles of contract law show that it is impossible to prove fraud on the part of Dorean Principals. You can't show fraud when you are only exercising contractual rights and inducing remedies that were given to you according to a clear agreement completely spelled out.

In other words the Federal Statutes that are alleging fraud against the Dorean Group is just a smoke screen to illegaly imprison them without bond & without a speedy trial.

The constitutional of the united States says that no law can infringe upon our rights to contract freely. the constitution of the united States trumps any statute on the books.

It appears that the Federal Court in CA is infringing upon this constitutional guarantee that should be protected.

KYHOOYA said...

Let me see if I understand the naysayers here when they talk about the fraud that was committed by the Dorean group by their assuming the title of power of attorney for the lender when the lender did'nt respond to thye presentment.

Noww if your saying that when a client or his agent put'e in writing that it believes that to be fraud or false information in their doc's or for that matter the customer find it nessasary that the lender needs to explain something that they don't understand as it is stated in their loan doc's and then send this cert. U.S. mail to the adderess given for such disputed items the lender has provided and all other conciderations have been carfully attended to so that all paperwork is in the right form by the law and by the lenders terms and aggrement's for this

ARE YOU STSTING THAT THE LENDER THEN HAS THE OPTION TO ANSWER THAT OR TO NOT?

(I would have to say if that is your stand here on this that you are 100% WRONG in your thinking.

I will say this on the point though it has become common day practices by the banks to do what ever they want and get away with it do to laws that are noithing more than a slap if in fact any one makes it that far after wading through all of the crap that are set out as sumbeling block along the way. but never the less if the bank dos'nt answer the dispute then they are in breech of their bond lending law and lic. in fact if we were talking about a credit card and there something in dispute if that was the way it went then the customer would have all right to have anything that was rreported on their credit removed and not replaced intill the lender showed proof that of it being another way.

I find it all so much the truth these days that the banks think they can do what ever they want and with the bull shit fines that are in place to stop them where as it would cost more for the TV add they place to get your business than to stop what their doing that is making them so much money.

Either the lawmakers and the naysayers here and the courts are the stupidest people on the planet when it comes to seeing the wrong doing of the banks or (and we have heard plenty on here that are neysayers say that they don't think the banks are fare or doing the right thing) or these people that we have given the powers to make the banks do it right are just part of the problem

as to :
How can you not see that by charging unjustifed fees to it's customer tha the banks rake in billions and that to stop doing so would bve bad business it's likle the cost of doing business for them to even lose a court case and have to pay out millions for it they make more doing so why would they change it .

Why is it so hard to see that not only are they making tons in fees they have now writen their trem in away that is in a nut shell telling you that they can do anything they want change any item in there agreement with you at the time you accepted the card and rate (you no the Fixed rate they so callit ) but all get to that in a sec. now I have to bet that most out there hav'nt taken or have the time to have read their terms orr the ammended terms that comes with the bill all to offen to see waht I'm saying here is the truth.
But the fact is that the banks are just about got their busineess right where they like it with them being the ones with the power to do what ever they want and there is nothing that the customer can do about it well nothing that would'nt be the equil of a full time job in the banking and laws tthat go with that and then there is the credit reporting.


I would love fopr one of you to tell me how the bank that said I owed them money after a loan closed and the were told to deal with the title company about it being there the ones that paid them per their payoff demand to the penny and the lender thought that it would be better suited to falsely report to the credit companys that I was foreclosed on so that if I were to go an seek other loans they were of the understanding as many of you can atest to that the new lender would find that not so go nor would my Score reflect and good rating as it did'nt and then when I was contacted by one of my larger comany credit acct. that they were closing the acct I had with them for 15 year and use it's large cash acct for my business and hurt it so much that I lost in the hundereds of thousands for not being able to secure the property I as after the way I had when this account was open.

They reported a knowingly false forecloser in the attempt to extort me and they intended it to cause damage and harm to anything of money related from their doing it. and did.

Now I only found out about this by the very creditor telling me so and was nice enough to send me the report they pulled with it on and funny thing was that it only showed on their report from the big three credit companys but when I pulled my report that same day it did'nt show I wonder is that some form of back room reporting that the public is not so intitled to see when they request a full disclosure of the information that the credit company has in it's file for you AS STATED IN THE LAW THE ARE TO GIVE YOU ALLL INFO IN YOUR FILE NOT JUST WHAT THEY FEEL YOU NEED TO SEE OR THAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID BY THE BANKERS TO TELL YOU.


sO PLEASE TELLME HOW WITH THIS KINDA THING AND MANY OTHER OF THE SAME THA THE BANKS AND ASSO. TO DO WITH IT BUSINESS HAVE DONE JUST TO ME ONE PERSON i'M SURE THAT THE LIST IS LONGER THAN John Homes jOHNSON WAS MADE TO LOOK ON CAMERA NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT I WOULD'NT WANT IT UP MY ASS AS i DON'T THINK THE BANK'S HAVE THE RIGHT TO FUCK EVERYONE ON A DAILY RAPE AND PILLAGE THEIR DOING THESE DAYS HAVE THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE JUST BEEN THROW AWAY OR IS THERE ANOTHER SET THAT i MIST

wHAT GRIPS ME THE MOST ON HERE IS THAT YOU BUNCH OF PANTY WASTE EXCUSES FOR THE USE OF A CONDOM LIKE TO GET UP AND DEFEND THE COURTS AND THE feDS AND THE REST FOR HOW THEY HAVE DONE THING AND YOU COME ON HERE AND SAY THAT THEIR DOING EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY AND THAT THE TWO IN JAIL HAVE HAD THEIR RIGHTS LOOKED AFTER TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND THE COURTS HAVE NOTHING UNDERHANDED OR ARE NOT ACTING ONE SIDED BY THEIR ACTION

HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT WHEN YOU SIT HERE ANDDEFEND THESE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE SO EASY TO SEE THAT IT ALMOST SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE IF YOU DON'T SEE IT

BUT WITH THA SAID LET ME ASK THIS IF ANYONE WANTS TO BE A STAND UP PERSON AND TAKE ALOOK AT THE REAL DEAL GOING ON AND OFFER UP THEIR SIDE TO WHY THEY THINK IT'S OK THAT THE COURET AND THE REST OF THE INVOLVED

hOW IS IT THAT THEY ARE OK TO BREAK THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO THE TWO AND YOUR ALRIGHT WITH THAT BUT YOUR NOT ALRIGHT WITH IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

JOW CAN YOU SIT THERE AND BACK UP A SYSTEM THAT IS TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE COUNTRIES WISHES AND INACTED LAW IN SO WANTING THEIR WISHES TO BE FOLLOWED BUT THE ONES THAT ARE INTRUSTED WITH THIS ARE DOING WHAT EVER THEY WANT AND COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT FOR THEM TO DO.

YOU DEFEND THIS ON HERE EVERTIME YOU SIT THERE AND SAY THAT IT'S OK THAT THE COURT HAS DISREGARDED THE TIME LINE AND THE RIGHTS OF THE TWO GUYS TO HAVE A SPEEDY AND END TOP THIS. BUT IT'S OK BY YOU THATTHE COURT DOSE THIS BUT IT'S BAD IF THE TWO GAVE A WRITEN DISPUTE AND A TIME LINE ALOUD NY LAW THAT GAVE THE BANKS TIME TO RESPOND TO IT IF THEY THOUGHT IT TO BE WRONG.

nOPE THE BANKS DID EXACTLY AS YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD DISREGARDED IT AS THEY DO WITH EVERY OTHER ITEM THAT IS THE SAME THA TIS SET THEM INTILL THEY ARE BROUGHT TO DEAL WITH IT


tHE FACT WAS THHEBANKS DID'NT KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN THATS WHY THERE WERE SOME CASES AT FIRST THAT WERE GOING AS THE dOREAN GROUP HAD SET OUT FOR THEM TO HAPPEN BUT IT WAS'NT LONG EFORE THE BANKS WENT VRYING TO THE fEDS AND THEN THEY STEPPED IN .

i SURE IT WENT SOMETHINGH LIKE THIS tHE BANKS SAID THAT IF THE gOV'T DOS'NT SEND THE FEDS IN AND STOP THESE GUY THAT THE PROGRAM THEY ARE WORKING IS FOLLOWING THE LAW AND WILL CAUSE THE BANKING AND LENDING OF THIS COUNTRY AT THE RATE IT IS PROCEEDING WILL HAVE UNREPAIRABL DAMAGE AND POSSABLY THE COLLAPES AND AN EQUIL EFFECT TO THE COUNTRY AS THE RUNUP ON WALL STREET DID SO THEY BETTER DO SOMETHING IF THEY DON'T WANT THAT .

tHE BANKS FOR THE MOST PART DON'T GIVE TOWO SHITS ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS OR THIS COUNTRY OTHER THAN IT LEEPS FEEDING THEM INTEREST AND AS LONG AS THE gOV'T IS WILLING TO FOLLOW THAT LITTLE fED rES, aGREEMENT AND PAY FOR EVERY BAD DEAL THAT THE BANK COVERS THENWHY WOULD THEY CARE MUCH.

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It the fuvcking banks who are not following the law or they are making it up as they go along to suit them better and to get as much from the people in this country as they can before they turn tail and run tothe next hill and watch as we go belly up and head to the street to work out the rest .

CCAN YOU SAY "MAD MAXX" BETTER GET TO THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT AUCTION AND SEE IF YOU CAN PICK UP ONE OF THEM TANKER TRUCK THEN HURRY DOWN AND FILL IT UP BEFORE THE GAS THAT JUST JUMP $.70 IN COST GOES UP ANY MORE SO YOU HAV EIT FOR THAT DAY BIG DAY

dON'T FOGET THE WEAPONS AND THE NICE HIDE OUT THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND SOME ATACK AND TIME WITHOUT OUTSIDE HELP OR FOOD AND WATER,
i SAW ONE THAT WAS A REAL NICE JOB OF WORKING THAT ALL OUT AND COULS WITHSTAND ANYTHING THAT IS KNOWN TO DAY AS FAR AS WAR OR PERSONAL WEAPONS EVEN THE FALL OUT FROM NUKS FOR THE TIME OF A FEW MONTHS THAT TYHE NEEDED TIME ONE WOULD HAVE TO PROTECT THEMSELFS FROM THE FALLOUT .

iT WAS JUST OUT SIDE OF dURANGO CO. AND A NICE JOB INCLUDED A 800' WELLL THA WAS PROTECTED FROM CONTAMINATION AND FILTER THETHROUGHT OUT IT LONG DISTANCE TO GET THERE AT THIS SAFEHOUSE IS WHATTHE CALLED IT AND IT COULD BE YOUR FOR THE LOW PRICE OF 435,000. NOT BAD CONCIDERING THAT THE PLACE IT TOTALY SELF CONTAINED AND ALSO HAS WITHIN IT A SAFE ROOM WHERE ONES IN IT CAN OPPERAT EVERTHING EVEN THE CANERAS INTHE TREES THA YOU DON'RT SEE AND THERE IS THAT LITTLE SOLAR ARAYMENT THAT IS SOME WHERE BUT YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE TRYING TO DISRUPT IT COULD SEE IT 6" OF CONCRETOVER STEEL IBEAMS THEN COVERED IN ANOTHER 5' OF EARTH TO KEEP IT A NICE 55' ALL YEAR ROUNFD SO HURRY FOLK THIS WON'T LAST THE OWNER WHO PUT THE HLOW DISIGN TO GETTHER FOR THIS AND SPENT OVER TWO YEARS JUST RESURCHING THE SITE WHERE IT IS BUILT (BUT IS ONLY DISCLOSED AS NEAR dORANGO FOR SYCURITY RESONSE BUT WILL BE GIVEN ONLY AFTER A FULL CREDIT AND SEC. CHECK OF ANYONE THAT IS A SERIOUS BUYER

tHINGS OF THIS TYPE MAKE YOU THINK OF THA AND THE FACT THAT THE gOV'T IS TRAINING THE LOCAL COPS TO DEAL WITH THE MASS PUPLIC IN CASE OF MARSHAL LAW OR DISCONTENT AMOUNG THEM BREAKS OUT

SO PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK WITH ALL YOUR BETTER THENN THOU CRAP WHEN IT COME TO HOW THE SYSTEM IS HADLEING THIS CASE AND HOW YOU THINK IT IS ALL BEING DONE ON THE UP AND UP WHEN DEALING WITH THE GUY'S THA HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP FOR TWO YEARS .

tHE ONLY THINBG THAT HAS ME SCRACHING MY HEAD IS WHY THE GOV'T JUST DOS'NT GET ON WITH IT TRIALAND DO WHAT THEIR GOING TO DO ANYWAY WITCH I'M SURE WON'T BE FOLLOWING ANYTHING FARE WHEN THE RIGHT ARE SEEN BY THE TWO GUY'S I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR WAITING ON THEY CAN BE JUST AS CORRUPT AS THEY WERE WITH THE TAX CASE IN IRWINS MISS TRIAL AND TOTLE LCK OF RIGHTS BEING GIVEN TO HIM BEFORE THEY LOCKED HIM UP AND PUT HIM IN SHACKEL AT THE RIPE AGE OF 70'S IN A ROOM THAT BLAIR COUL;D'NT EXCAPE FROM AND OUT OF 15 OTHER HE WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THEM SEEM LIKE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS A BIT UPSET WITH HIM IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE TRAIL HUMM.... LET ME SEE WHO COULD THAT BE THAT MIGHT HAVE THE POWER TO GET THE SHERIFF TO DO THINGS LIKE MAKING IT RUFF FOR IRWIN HUMM WHO WHO COULD IT BE ... "(CHURCH LADY SPEEKS HERE ) COULD IT BE sATIN OR THE JUDGE WHO IS EQUIL TO THAT IN MOST OF THESE CASES AND WHO WILL PUT HIM SELF ABOVE THE LAW FOR MOST AS HE IS SPECAL AND MAKES HIOS OWN


TALK ABOUT YOUR FRICEN TARDS HOW CAN YOU EXPECT TO HAVE ANYONE WITH TWO CENTS FOR A BRAIN BELEIVE THA THE COURT AND THE RST OF THE SYSTEM WORKING THIS IS NOT BEING THE UNDERHANDED CROOKS THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AND ACT AS IF IT IS JUST THE WAY IT SHOULD BE SO WHY FIGHT IT.


wAKE UP PEOPLE THERE MIGHT COME A DAY THEAT YOU GET A BACK BONE AND FIND SOMETHING THAT IS'NT TOLD TO THAT YOURSHOULD BELEIVE AND YOU WANT TO FIGHHT IT SYSTEM THAT IS AND YOU FIND YOUR SELF WHERE THESE GUYS ARE AND THEN WHAT WIL YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM OF LAW TO TREAT YOU JUST LIKE THIS I WOULD THINK BEING YOUR SUPOORTING NOW

aT LEAST i CAN LAUGH IN THE FACT OF KNOWING THAT YOU'LL AT LEAST BE SCREWED BY THE BANKS AND SOME FEE THEY CHARGE YOU THEN GIVE YOU THE OLD RUN AROUND INTILL YOU GIVE UP AND THEY KEEP THE MONEY THEY WER'NT INTITLED TO CUZZZ IT WAS'NT YOUR DOING THAT MADE IT IT WAS THEIR MADE UP RANDEEM COMPUTER PROGRAM THA JUST MADE YOU THE LUCKY ON ETHAT DAY TO GET IT

YOU'LL SPEND HOOURS FOR THAT $35.00 TO BE CREDITED BACK TO YOUR ACCOUNT THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE FACT BE KNOWN THE FUCKING BANKS PAYING FOR THAT CUSTOMER REP TO BE ON THE PHONE ANYWAY SO MIGHT AS WELL GET THEM PAID FOR WELL THERE DO IT OR IS THA DOING YOU!



HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SO LAUGH IT UP NEYSAYER AND WITH THE HOPE FOR YOU TO BE DONE BY THE BANKS EVERY CHANCE THEY CAN IS MY WISH FOR YOUR MINDLESS SUPPORT OF THERE WRONG DONIG

BY THE WAY THAT ALL DOS'NT SAY THAT i THINK EVERYTHING THAT DOREAN DID IS RIGHT EITHER BUT ITS A FAR CRY FROM WHAT THE BANKS DO EVERY DAY AND TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE NOT A FEWAND TO REEP BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOT JUST A FEW AND TO ONLY PAY YOU


$.29 ON THAT CLASS ACTION SUIT THAT WAS A WIN AGANST THE BAKS IS WHTA YOU'LL SEE FOR THEIR BAD DEED AND THE NEXT DAT THE LAWYERS WILL HAVE REWRITEN THE TERMS TO SAT YOUR FUCK TAKE IT OR LEAVE IOT BUT FIRST LOOK AT OUR RATE ON THIS NEW NO % NO PAYMENT DEAL WE HAVE FOR YOU


sMALKL PRINT : bUT WILL CAHNGE AS SOON AS WE SEE THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THE PROPER AMOUNT IN PLAVE TO MAKE US THE MOST ON FEEW AND % AND FUCKING YOU REAAL GOOD SO HAVE A NICE DAY




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oH BY THE WAY IF YOU HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THIS THEM STAND OBN YOUR HEAD AND PUT YOU THUMB UP YOUR ASS AND SEE IF THAT CLEAR ANYTHING UP FOR YOU BEYOND THA Ti COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD i THINK THAT YOU WOULD BE SMART ENOUGH TO GET THE BIG PICTURE AROUND THIS WHEN YOUR WERE STUPID ENOUIGH TO JUSP HEAD FIRST INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE NOT EVEN GOING TO CHECK OUT FOPR MORE THN 30 SECOND FOR FEAR OF LOSSING YOUR CAHNCE AT BEING IN THE BIG DEAL ..

wHAT A BUNCH OF ASSSWIPES AND THEN TO COME ON HERE AND CRY HOW BAD OF A DEAL YOU GOT OR THAT YOU WERE TRICK BY BAD ADDVETISING TACKIC . SHIT i HAVE SEEN WORSE ADD'S FO THE CAR DOWN AT LARRYS USE CAR DEALERSHIP WHERE A DEAL JUST ANT A DEAL UNLESS OLD LARRY GET HIMSELF ENOUGH TO DATE THE HOOKER DOWN THE STREET AND STILL PAY FOR HIS CABLE CHANNELS TO BOO



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SO CRY ME A RIVER OF YOU TROUBLE'S AND YOU WON'T EVEN SCRACH THE TIP OF THE REAL DEAL YOUR IN FOR BUT YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR CRYING AND BITCHING IS ALL YOU OWN DOING AND YOU SHOULD SHUT YOUR PIE HOLW AND FESS UP TO THE REAL STORY AND THE TRUTH THAT HAS AND IS GOING ON TODAY WITH THE REAL CROOKS OUT THERE STEELING YOUR MONEY AND ANY HOPE OF A QUIT EASY ENJOYABLE RETIRMENT . OR NOT TO THINK WHAT THE STUPID LASY PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL LEAVE FOR THE KIDS TO DEAL WITH IN YOUR WAKE OF LEMMINGNESS tv WATCHING AND LETS NOT FOR GET THE REAAL tv CAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OF REAL LIFE OUT THER YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT ON tv TO GET MORE THE FILL THEI COUNTRY IS SO MUCH THE GROUP OF MINDLESS TWITS THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE SORRY THEY EVER THOUGHT TO BELEIVE THE GOV'T AND LET THEM GO ABOUT THERE DOING WITHOUT ANY CHECK AND WATCHING

THEY ARE RUNNINGH AROUND WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF WHATTHEY DO AND COULD CARE LEESS WHAT YOU WANT CUS YOU ARE NOTHING IN THE EYES OF THE GOV'T POWERS AND THE CORRUPT BANKING AND SUCH THEY ONLY WORRY ABOUT HOW THERE GOING TO GET HILLARY A BLOW JOB TO WHEN THE TIME COME AND HOW THE PEOPLE WILLLTHINK ABOUT THAT AID FOR HIS GIVING SUCH

IF THER NIOT FUCKING SOME AID OR COVERING UP ANOTHER PRIST THAT THOUGHT THAT NO SEX MENT ONLY GROWNUP WIMAN NOT YOUNG BOY OR ANOTHER ONE OF GOOD OLD BOY SEN. KENNEDY S MISS TURN RUNNING OVERS FROM DRINKING HIS CORRUPT WAY AND THE TROUBLE IT BROUGHT OR SHOULD WE SAY BOUGHT HIM AND HIS CAN'T DRINK IT AWAY THERE ROCKPORT OR KIDDY BUNK PORT OH SORRY THAT WAS FOR THE PRIST KIDDDY GET IT A WHO CARE S


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KYHOOYA said...

i JUST LOVE TO RANT ON HERE THERE IS JUST SO MUCH TO PICK FROM THAT I'LL NEVER RUN OUT OF THING TO RANT ABOUT.
FRICKEN NEO-TARD MINDLESS FOOL WISH ING THATTHE TWO WILLGET IT SO YOU CAN BE RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING WELL GUESS WHAT TO YOU AND ANY OTHERS THAT HAVE THE SAME THOUGHTS
IT WILL BE ONLY DONE BY THE SYSTEM DOING THING THAT ARE AGANST THE LAW AND ARE CROOKED BY THIS GIVINNG THEM THE UOPER HAND AND THE RIGHTS TO ACT IN THAT WAY . IT DOS'NT MAKE IT FACT OR THAT THE SYSYTEM WAS RIGHT IT JUST MEANS THAT ONE MORE PEG IN THE WALL THAT HOLD UP THIS COUNTRY AND THE WAY OF LIFE AS WE KNOW IT WILL BE PULLED AND THA MUCH CLOSER TO IT FALL ALL AROUND YOU ALONG WITH THE ONES WHO SEE IT AND TRIED TO STOP IT AT THE COST OF THEIR FREEDOM .

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TODAY TO HELP THIS COUNTRY BE BETTER AND HAVE A LITTLE LESS LOSS OF FREEDOM MY GUESS IS NOTHING BUT BITCH ABOUT HOW YOUR WERE JUST TO LASY TO DO ANYTHING AND IT WAS SOMEONE ELES FAULT THAT YOUR WHERE YOU ARE TODAY RIGHT dON'T BOTHER ANSWERING IT SHOWS WITH EVERY THING YOU POST HOW YOUR ARE AND THE SPINELESS BACK YOU LET SOMEONE ELSE CARRY THE BURDON OF HOLDING UP FOR YOU.

WHAT A BUNCH OF LEMMING YOU ALLLARE FOR THE FACT THA IF THE t.v, SHOW NEXT WEEK TOLD YOU THAT YOU TO ACT OR BE YOU WHOULD BE DOING IT BEFORE THE NEXT WEEKS SHOW AIRED NO WONDER THIS COUNTRY IS THE WAY IT IS AND THE GOV'T PERSONEL THAT RUN IT CAN DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT WITHOUT WORRY AND THE REST WHO EXPECT THE POEPLE TO BE AS STUPID AS THE ACT IN REGARDS TO HOW THING ARE BEING DONE BYTHE BANKS TO RIP YOU OFF..

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KYHOOYA said...
Let me see if I understand the naysayers here when they talk about the fraud that was committed by the Dorean group by their assuming the title of power of attorney for the lender when the lender did'nt respond to thye presentment.

Noww if your saying that when a client or his agent put'e in writing that it believes that to be fraud or false information in their doc's or for that matter the customer find it nessasary that the lender needs to explain something that they don't understand as it is stated in their loan doc's and then send this cert. U.S. mail to the adderess given for such disputed items the lender has provided and all other conciderations have been carfully attended to so that all paperwork is in the right form by the law and by the lenders terms and aggrement's for this

ARE YOU STSTING THAT THE LENDER THEN HAS THE OPTION TO ANSWER THAT OR TO NOT?

(I would have to say if that is your stand here on this that you are 100% WRONG in your thinking.

I will say this on the point though it has become common day practices by the banks to do what ever they want and get away with it do to laws that are noithing more than a slap if in fact any one makes it that far after wading through all of the crap that are set out as sumbeling block along the way. but never the less if the bank dos'nt answer the dispute then they are in breech of their bond lending law and lic. in fact if we were talking about a credit card and there something in dispute if that was the way it went then the customer would have all right to have anything that was rreported on their credit removed and not replaced intill the lender showed proof that of it being another way.

I find it all so much the truth these days that the banks think they can do what ever they want and with the bull shit fines that are in place to stop them where as it would cost more for the TV add they place to get your business than to stop what their doing that is making them so much money.

Either the lawmakers and the naysayers here and the courts are the stupidest people on the planet when it comes to seeing the wrong doing of the banks or (and we have heard plenty on here that are neysayers say that they don't think the banks are fare or doing the right thing) or these people that we have given the powers to make the banks do it right are just part of the problem

as to :
How can you not see that by charging unjustifed fees to it's customer tha the banks rake in billions and that to stop doing so would bve bad business it's likle the cost of doing business for them to even lose a court case and have to pay out millions for it they make more doing so why would they change it .

Why is it so hard to see that not only are they making tons in fees they have now writen their trem in away that is in a nut shell telling you that they can do anything they want change any item in there agreement with you at the time you accepted the card and rate (you no the Fixed rate they so callit ) but all get to that in a sec. now I have to bet that most out there hav'nt taken or have the time to have read their terms orr the ammended terms that comes with the bill all to offen to see waht I'm saying here is the truth.
But the fact is that the banks are just about got their busineess right where they like it with them being the ones with the power to do what ever they want and there is nothing that the customer can do about it well nothing that would'nt be the equil of a full time job in the banking and laws tthat go with that and then there is the credit reporting.


I would love fopr one of you to tell me how the bank that said I owed them money after a loan closed and the were told to deal with the title company about it being there the ones that paid them per their payoff demand to the penny and the lender thought that it would be better suited to falsely report to the credit companys that I was foreclosed on so that if I were to go an seek other loans they were of the understanding as many of you can atest to that the new lender would find that not so go nor would my Score reflect and good rating as it did'nt and then when I was contacted by one of my larger comany credit acct. that they were closing the acct I had with them for 15 year and use it's large cash acct for my business and hurt it so much that I lost in the hundereds of thousands for not being able to secure the property I as after the way I had when this account was open.

They reported a knowingly false forecloser in the attempt to extort me and they intended it to cause damage and harm to anything of money related from their doing it. and did.

Now I only found out about this by the very creditor telling me so and was nice enough to send me the report they pulled with it on and funny thing was that it only showed on their report from the big three credit companys but when I pulled my report that same day it did'nt show I wonder is that some form of back room reporting that the public is not so intitled to see when they request a full disclosure of the information that the credit company has in it's file for you AS STATED IN THE LAW THE ARE TO GIVE YOU ALLL INFO IN YOUR FILE NOT JUST WHAT THEY FEEL YOU NEED TO SEE OR THAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID BY THE BANKERS TO TELL YOU.


sO PLEASE TELLME HOW WITH THIS KINDA THING AND MANY OTHER OF THE SAME THA THE BANKS AND ASSO. TO DO WITH IT BUSINESS HAVE DONE JUST TO ME ONE PERSON i'M SURE THAT THE LIST IS LONGER THAN John Homes jOHNSON WAS MADE TO LOOK ON CAMERA NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT I WOULD'NT WANT IT UP MY ASS AS i DON'T THINK THE BANK'S HAVE THE RIGHT TO FUCK EVERYONE ON A DAILY RAPE AND PILLAGE THEIR DOING THESE DAYS HAVE THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE JUST BEEN THROW AWAY OR IS THERE ANOTHER SET THAT i MIST

wHAT GRIPS ME THE MOST ON HERE IS THAT YOU BUNCH OF PANTY WASTE EXCUSES FOR THE USE OF A CONDOM LIKE TO GET UP AND DEFEND THE COURTS AND THE feDS AND THE REST FOR HOW THEY HAVE DONE THING AND YOU COME ON HERE AND SAY THAT THEIR DOING EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY AND THAT THE TWO IN JAIL HAVE HAD THEIR RIGHTS LOOKED AFTER TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND THE COURTS HAVE NOTHING UNDERHANDED OR ARE NOT ACTING ONE SIDED BY THEIR ACTION

HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT WHEN YOU SIT HERE ANDDEFEND THESE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE SO EASY TO SEE THAT IT ALMOST SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE IF YOU DON'T SEE IT

BUT WITH THA SAID LET ME ASK THIS IF ANYONE WANTS TO BE A STAND UP PERSON AND TAKE ALOOK AT THE REAL DEAL GOING ON AND OFFER UP THEIR SIDE TO WHY THEY THINK IT'S OK THAT THE COURET AND THE REST OF THE INVOLVED

hOW IS IT THAT THEY ARE OK TO BREAK THE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO THE TWO AND YOUR ALRIGHT WITH THAT BUT YOUR NOT ALRIGHT WITH IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

JOW CAN YOU SIT THERE AND BACK UP A SYSTEM THAT IS TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE COUNTRIES WISHES AND INACTED LAW IN SO WANTING THEIR WISHES TO BE FOLLOWED BUT THE ONES THAT ARE INTRUSTED WITH THIS ARE DOING WHAT EVER THEY WANT AND COULD CARE LESS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT FOR THEM TO DO.

YOU DEFEND THIS ON HERE EVERTIME YOU SIT THERE AND SAY THAT IT'S OK THAT THE COURT HAS DISREGARDED THE TIME LINE AND THE RIGHTS OF THE TWO GUYS TO HAVE A SPEEDY AND END TOP THIS. BUT IT'S OK BY YOU THATTHE COURT DOSE THIS BUT IT'S BAD IF THE TWO GAVE A WRITEN DISPUTE AND A TIME LINE ALOUD NY LAW THAT GAVE THE BANKS TIME TO RESPOND TO IT IF THEY THOUGHT IT TO BE WRONG.

nOPE THE BANKS DID EXACTLY AS YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD DISREGARDED IT AS THEY DO WITH EVERY OTHER ITEM THAT IS THE SAME THA TIS SET THEM INTILL THEY ARE BROUGHT TO DEAL WITH IT


tHE FACT WAS THHEBANKS DID'NT KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN THE SHIT HIT THE FAN THATS WHY THERE WERE SOME CASES AT FIRST THAT WERE GOING AS THE dOREAN GROUP HAD SET OUT FOR THEM TO HAPPEN BUT IT WAS'NT LONG EFORE THE BANKS WENT VRYING TO THE fEDS AND THEN THEY STEPPED IN .

i SURE IT WENT SOMETHINGH LIKE THIS tHE BANKS SAID THAT IF THE gOV'T DOS'NT SEND THE FEDS IN AND STOP THESE GUY THAT THE PROGRAM THEY ARE WORKING IS FOLLOWING THE LAW AND WILL CAUSE THE BANKING AND LENDING OF THIS COUNTRY AT THE RATE IT IS PROCEEDING WILL HAVE UNREPAIRABL DAMAGE AND POSSABLY THE COLLAPES AND AN EQUIL EFFECT TO THE COUNTRY AS THE RUNUP ON WALL STREET DID SO THEY BETTER DO SOMETHING IF THEY DON'T WANT THAT .

tHE BANKS FOR THE MOST PART DON'T GIVE TOWO SHITS ABOUT THE CUSTOMERS OR THIS COUNTRY OTHER THAN IT LEEPS FEEDING THEM INTEREST AND AS LONG AS THE gOV'T IS WILLING TO FOLLOW THAT LITTLE fED rES, aGREEMENT AND PAY FOR EVERY BAD DEAL THAT THE BANK COVERS THENWHY WOULD THEY CARE MUCH.

money money money money meoney power power power power


It the fuvcking banks who are not following the law or they are making it up as they go along to suit them better and to get as much from the people in this country as they can before they turn tail and run tothe next hill and watch as we go belly up and head to the street to work out the rest .

CCAN YOU SAY "MAD MAXX" BETTER GET TO THAT HEAVY EQUIPMENT AUCTION AND SEE IF YOU CAN PICK UP ONE OF THEM TANKER TRUCK THEN HURRY DOWN AND FILL IT UP BEFORE THE GAS THAT JUST JUMP $.70 IN COST GOES UP ANY MORE SO YOU HAV EIT FOR THAT DAY BIG DAY

dON'T FOGET THE WEAPONS AND THE NICE HIDE OUT THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND SOME ATACK AND TIME WITHOUT OUTSIDE HELP OR FOOD AND WATER,
i SAW ONE THAT WAS A REAL NICE JOB OF WORKING THAT ALL OUT AND COULS WITHSTAND ANYTHING THAT IS KNOWN TO DAY AS FAR AS WAR OR PERSONAL WEAPONS EVEN THE FALL OUT FROM NUKS FOR THE TIME OF A FEW MONTHS THAT TYHE NEEDED TIME ONE WOULD HAVE TO PROTECT THEMSELFS FROM THE FALLOUT .

iT WAS JUST OUT SIDE OF dURANGO CO. AND A NICE JOB INCLUDED A 800' WELLL THA WAS PROTECTED FROM CONTAMINATION AND FILTER THETHROUGHT OUT IT LONG DISTANCE TO GET THERE AT THIS SAFEHOUSE IS WHATTHE CALLED IT AND IT COULD BE YOUR FOR THE LOW PRICE OF 435,000. NOT BAD CONCIDERING THAT THE PLACE IT TOTALY SELF CONTAINED AND ALSO HAS WITHIN IT A SAFE ROOM WHERE ONES IN IT CAN OPPERAT EVERTHING EVEN THE CANERAS INTHE TREES THA YOU DON'RT SEE AND THERE IS THAT LITTLE SOLAR ARAYMENT THAT IS SOME WHERE BUT YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE TRYING TO DISRUPT IT COULD SEE IT 6" OF CONCRETOVER STEEL IBEAMS THEN COVERED IN ANOTHER 5' OF EARTH TO KEEP IT A NICE 55' ALL YEAR ROUNFD SO HURRY FOLK THIS WON'T LAST THE OWNER WHO PUT THE HLOW DISIGN TO GETTHER FOR THIS AND SPENT OVER TWO YEARS JUST RESURCHING THE SITE WHERE IT IS BUILT (BUT IS ONLY DISCLOSED AS NEAR dORANGO FOR SYCURITY RESONSE BUT WILL BE GIVEN ONLY AFTER A FULL CREDIT AND SEC. CHECK OF ANYONE THAT IS A SERIOUS BUYER

tHINGS OF THIS TYPE MAKE YOU THINK OF THA AND THE FACT THAT THE gOV'T IS TRAINING THE LOCAL COPS TO DEAL WITH THE MASS PUPLIC IN CASE OF MARSHAL LAW OR DISCONTENT AMOUNG THEM BREAKS OUT

SO PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK WITH ALL YOUR BETTER THENN THOU CRAP WHEN IT COME TO HOW THE SYSTEM IS HADLEING THIS CASE AND HOW YOU THINK IT IS ALL BEING DONE ON THE UP AND UP WHEN DEALING WITH THE GUY'S THA HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP FOR TWO YEARS .

tHE ONLY THINBG THAT HAS ME SCRACHING MY HEAD IS WHY THE GOV'T JUST DOS'NT GET ON WITH IT TRIALAND DO WHAT THEIR GOING TO DO ANYWAY WITCH I'M SURE WON'T BE FOLLOWING ANYTHING FARE WHEN THE RIGHT ARE SEEN BY THE TWO GUY'S I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR WAITING ON THEY CAN BE JUST AS CORRUPT AS THEY WERE WITH THE TAX CASE IN IRWINS MISS TRIAL AND TOTLE LCK OF RIGHTS BEING GIVEN TO HIM BEFORE THEY LOCKED HIM UP AND PUT HIM IN SHACKEL AT THE RIPE AGE OF 70'S IN A ROOM THAT BLAIR COUL;D'NT EXCAPE FROM AND OUT OF 15 OTHER HE WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THEM SEEM LIKE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS A BIT UPSET WITH HIM IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE TRAIL HUMM.... LET ME SEE WHO COULD THAT BE THAT MIGHT HAVE THE POWER TO GET THE SHERIFF TO DO THINGS LIKE MAKING IT RUFF FOR IRWIN HUMM WHO WHO COULD IT BE ... "(CHURCH LADY SPEEKS HERE ) COULD IT BE sATIN OR THE JUDGE WHO IS EQUIL TO THAT IN MOST OF THESE CASES AND WHO WILL PUT HIM SELF ABOVE THE LAW FOR MOST AS HE IS SPECAL AND MAKES HIOS OWN


TALK ABOUT YOUR FRICEN TARDS HOW CAN YOU EXPECT TO HAVE ANYONE WITH TWO CENTS FOR A BRAIN BELEIVE THA THE COURT AND THE RST OF THE SYSTEM WORKING THIS IS NOT BEING THE UNDERHANDED CROOKS THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AND ACT AS IF IT IS JUST THE WAY IT SHOULD BE SO WHY FIGHT IT.


wAKE UP PEOPLE THERE MIGHT COME A DAY THEAT YOU GET A BACK BONE AND FIND SOMETHING THAT IS'NT TOLD TO THAT YOURSHOULD BELEIVE AND YOU WANT TO FIGHHT IT SYSTEM THAT IS AND YOU FIND YOUR SELF WHERE THESE GUYS ARE AND THEN WHAT WIL YOU WANT FOR THE SYSTEM OF LAW TO TREAT YOU JUST LIKE THIS I WOULD THINK BEING YOUR SUPOORTING NOW

aT LEAST i CAN LAUGH IN THE FACT OF KNOWING THAT YOU'LL AT LEAST BE SCREWED BY THE BANKS AND SOME FEE THEY CHARGE YOU THEN GIVE YOU THE OLD RUN AROUND INTILL YOU GIVE UP AND THEY KEEP THE MONEY THEY WER'NT INTITLED TO CUZZZ IT WAS'NT YOUR DOING THAT MADE IT IT WAS THEIR MADE UP RANDEEM COMPUTER PROGRAM THA JUST MADE YOU THE LUCKY ON ETHAT DAY TO GET IT

YOU'LL SPEND HOOURS FOR THAT $35.00 TO BE CREDITED BACK TO YOUR ACCOUNT THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE FACT BE KNOWN THE FUCKING BANKS PAYING FOR THAT CUSTOMER REP TO BE ON THE PHONE ANYWAY SO MIGHT AS WELL GET THEM PAID FOR WELL THERE DO IT OR IS THA DOING YOU!



HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SO LAUGH IT UP NEYSAYER AND WITH THE HOPE FOR YOU TO BE DONE BY THE BANKS EVERY CHANCE THEY CAN IS MY WISH FOR YOUR MINDLESS SUPPORT OF THERE WRONG DONIG

BY THE WAY THAT ALL DOS'NT SAY THAT i THINK EVERYTHING THAT DOREAN DID IS RIGHT EITHER BUT ITS A FAR CRY FROM WHAT THE BANKS DO EVERY DAY AND TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE NOT A FEWAND TO REEP BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NOT JUST A FEW AND TO ONLY PAY YOU


$.29 ON THAT CLASS ACTION SUIT THAT WAS A WIN AGANST THE BAKS IS WHTA YOU'LL SEE FOR THEIR BAD DEED AND THE NEXT DAT THE LAWYERS WILL HAVE REWRITEN THE TERMS TO SAT YOUR FUCK TAKE IT OR LEAVE IOT BUT FIRST LOOK AT OUR RATE ON THIS NEW NO % NO PAYMENT DEAL WE HAVE FOR YOU


sMALKL PRINT : bUT WILL CAHNGE AS SOON AS WE SEE THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THE PROPER AMOUNT IN PLAVE TO MAKE US THE MOST ON FEEW AND % AND FUCKING YOU REAAL GOOD SO HAVE A NICE DAY




...........L8R

oH BY THE WAY IF YOU HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THIS THEM STAND OBN YOUR HEAD AND PUT YOU THUMB UP YOUR ASS AND SEE IF THAT CLEAR ANYTHING UP FOR YOU BEYOND THA Ti COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD i THINK THAT YOU WOULD BE SMART ENOUGH TO GET THE BIG PICTURE AROUND THIS WHEN YOUR WERE STUPID ENOUIGH TO JUSP HEAD FIRST INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE NOT EVEN GOING TO CHECK OUT FOPR MORE THN 30 SECOND FOR FEAR OF LOSSING YOUR CAHNCE AT BEING IN THE BIG DEAL ..

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7:06 PM


KYHOOYA said...
i JUST LOVE TO RANT ON HERE THERE IS JUST SO MUCH TO PICK FROM THAT I'LL NEVER RUN OUT OF THING TO RANT ABOUT.
FRICKEN NEO-TARD MINDLESS FOOL WISH ING THATTHE TWO WILLGET IT SO YOU CAN BE RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING WELL GUESS WHAT TO YOU AND ANY OTHERS THAT HAVE THE SAME THOUGHTS
IT WILL BE ONLY DONE BY THE SYSTEM DOING THING THAT ARE AGANST THE LAW AND ARE CROOKED BY THIS GIVINNG THEM THE UOPER HAND AND THE RIGHTS TO ACT IN THAT WAY . IT DOS'NT MAKE IT FACT OR THAT THE SYSYTEM WAS RIGHT IT JUST MEANS THAT ONE MORE PEG IN THE WALL THAT HOLD UP THIS COUNTRY AND THE WAY OF LIFE AS WE KNOW IT WILL BE PULLED AND THA MUCH CLOSER TO IT FALL ALL AROUND YOU ALONG WITH THE ONES WHO SEE IT AND TRIED TO STOP IT AT THE COST OF THEIR FREEDOM .

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TODAY TO HELP THIS COUNTRY BE BETTER AND HAVE A LITTLE LESS LOSS OF FREEDOM MY GUESS IS NOTHING BUT BITCH ABOUT HOW YOUR WERE JUST TO LASY TO DO ANYTHING AND IT WAS SOMEONE ELES FAULT THAT YOUR WHERE YOU ARE TODAY RIGHT dON'T BOTHER ANSWERING IT SHOWS WITH EVERY THING YOU POST HOW YOUR ARE AND THE SPINELESS BACK YOU LET SOMEONE ELSE CARRY THE BURDON OF HOLDING UP FOR YOU.

WHAT A BUNCH OF LEMMING YOU ALLLARE FOR THE FACT THA IF THE t.v, SHOW NEXT WEEK TOLD YOU THAT YOU TO ACT OR BE YOU WHOULD BE DOING IT BEFORE THE NEXT WEEKS SHOW AIRED NO WONDER THIS COUNTRY IS THE WAY IT IS AND THE GOV'T PERSONEL THAT RUN IT CAN DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT WITHOUT WORRY AND THE REST WHO EXPECT THE POEPLE TO BE AS STUPID AS THE ACT IN REGARDS TO HOW THING ARE BEING DONE BYTHE BANKS TO RIP YOU OFF..

7:22 PM


Hey there little buddy...
Could you retype that again?
This time use english
TY

(have you gone off your meds again?)

notarial dissent said...

Moogie, dim and dimmer aren’t being charged with making fraudulent payments or stealing non existent commercial paper, in fact, none of the charges as far as I can tell even involve the UCC. So why should they be allowed to argue something they have not been charged with.

3-602 certainly has nothing to do with the case since dim and dimmer weren’t involved with receiving or paying on any kind of instrument, they were too busy separating the faithful from their money and forging documents.

3-603 is accurate, except you forget the little part about “the effect of tender is governed by principles of law applicable to tender of payment under a simple contract”, and if the contract specifies a certain type of payment in a certain fashion at a certain time, as all loan documents do, then that controls. So, as usual your argument is full of holes.

3-604 true, and so.

And yet you fail to acknowledge, that the Dorean Group was not the party responsible for the loans, and therefore had no standing to pay them off, and the lender was under no obligation to either accept or even acknowledge their so called “offer”. The tender of the alleged payment was not in a specie specified in the loan agreement, and so the lender was under no obligation to accept it.

Once again Moogie, there is no such thing as authority by default. There never was a legally valid delegation of authority to the dim duo to act in the lender’s behalf, and so the reconveyances were fraudulent.

Yet again, you blather, the banks are not, and will not be on trial, the dim duo will be however, for multiple counts of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud.

There is, and has been no evidence that even one of the PN’s was altered or in any way forged, and if they had been then there would have been grounds for prosecution for fraud, but it would not have invalidated the original debt.

The court is simply ruling that the UCC is irrelevant to the fraud complaints before them.

Dream on Moogs, the court is well within the law in the actions it is taken. The charges have to deal with fraud, not UCC violations, so they cannot bring in something unrelated to what they are charged with. You’re the one smoking something, and it must be really cheap.

Moogles, you flights of illogic and fantasy are truly beyond belief. How you come up with your latest brainstorm is truly scary. The plain fact of the matter is that every one of the Dorean participants is guilty of one or more acts of fraud, and conspiracy to commit fraud, so where you get the nerve to compare them with Yick Wo who was persecuted and jailed for essentially being born Chinese, where as the Dorean clients actively conspired to commit fraud, and most of whom are still not in jail where they actually belong.

You are correct in a sense, the fraud statutes do discriminate against those who perpetrate fraud by punishing them, and more often than not putting them in jail.

Apropos of nothing, “Chucky” was jailed for failing to obey a lawful court order, he might as well get used to it, as I suspect he is going to spend a fair amount of time in jail for his tax fraud as it is.

Since I haven’t the seen latest chapter in this ongoing soap opera, I have no idea of what it is about, but if I was to make a guess at why, I would suspect that it is because dim and dimmer have refused counsel, and in light of their ongoing disruptive behavior I would suspect it is to keep them from making a three ring circus of the jury selection proceedings.

While it is true that a holdout juror could cause a hung jury, but all that will produce is another trial, the likelihood though is small, despite your opinion, most juries tend to be responsible and do the job they were called for. I personally doubt that the jury will have any problems seeing exactly what was done.

If there has been any disadvantage to the defendants, they have done it to themselves, and if they insist on carrying on in court the way they have been lately, they will not win themselves any points with the jury at all.

The only double talk has come from you and the dim duo. So far, it would appear that the principals of the scam are the ones being charged and prosecuted, unless you know of someone you’d like to see added, the only one I haven’t heard anything about lately is Guy, and for all I know he was almost as much hot air as your are. Since the dim duo were not only the ring leaders/brains-and I use that term with tongue firmly in cheek, and were the only ones who actually profited in any great measure from the fraud, they are the proper first round, as to the rest, time will tell.

The Yick Wo case was about unequal enforcement of the law, and his conviction was set aside because the law was not fairly and evenly applied. There was nothing about sovereignty principals involved, just equal protection before the law.

Nice try, but that is not what JRB said, nice misquote though. The Civil Courts ruled the Dorean Process was a fraud and until or unless it is appealed it will stand. The Civil decision is irrelevant to the Criminal Prosecution, but can be admitted as further evidence. The criminal prosecution is about violation of Federal statutes, and that is what will be argued. That the process is a scam is irrelevant to the coming trial, a scam by definition is fraud, what is relevant is the Federal Statutes that were violated.

Alsop had more than sufficient evidence in the civil trial, much of it in dim and dimmer’s own hand that they committing fraud. The vapor money theory has long ago been adjudged a crock, and as such the court was well within its rights to take notice of those decisions. Strangely, I don’t seem to remember any so called “expert witnesses or testimony” at the trial, just the obvious evidence of fraud. Right Moogey, just keep believing your little fantasies.

As usual Moogs, you don’t pay attention to what was said. I said there was nothing in the UCC that addresses what you do about criminal behavior, that falls to the fraud statutes, I never said it didn’t define what criminal behavior was. The UCC is not criminal law. Nice try but still wrong. Still irrelevant.

With regard to Art 8, so what, it still isn’t a criminal statute.

Offer schmoffer, there is no such thing as authority by default, it doesn’t work that way in law or reality. The Dorean documents were a crock from beginning to end, and were not worth the paper they were printed on, and had neither legal force nor effect.

Again Mooney, you ignorance of the law is monumental. The constitutional authority you are referring to so very poorly is Art I, Sec 10, Clause 1 that refers to law(s) impairing the obligation of contracts. It is not a blank check to do anything you want, but rather is a prohibition against the state arbitrarily voiding or interfering in a contract validly entered into under the law at the time, but the important thing is that the contract is still dependant upon what the state at the time determines is legal. So your misinterpretation is just that. All contracts are immediately and absolutely subject to state law and then incidently federal law, and if it is not permissible in state or federal law, it is invalid and therefore unenforceable. Wrong again Moogie. Incidently, the article in question refers only to the states not the Feds, so oops there too and wrong yet again.

khooey
“assuming power of attorney” is a valid statement, except that it should be prefixed with fraudulently. You cannot “assume” power of attorney anymore than you can “assume” ownership of a piece of property by signing someone else’s name to a deed. It is called fraud and called fraud for very good reason.

quote khooey ARE YOU STSTING THAT THE LENDER THEN HAS THE OPTION TO ANSWER THAT OR TO NOT?

Got it in one, just because an ass is braying there is no requirement for paying it any attention. If the so called injured party actually believed that they had been injured, there is a little thing called the court system that was set up to deal with this type of thing. If there were really any fraud then taking it to court for resolution is the proper and only legal method of dealing with it. Sending silly nonsensical pseudo legal documents accomplishes nothing.

And take the caps lock off next time.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "3-602 certainly has nothing to do with the case since dim and dimmer weren’t involved with receiving or paying on any kind of instrument,"
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Not sure how you can say that? The whole purpose of the subrogation bond was to take over the debt of each Dorean client & pay it off based upon certain conditions. Have you seen a dorean subrogation bond, the front and the back of it? The sole intent was to pay twice the alleged lenders interest claimed, based upon a lenders validation of their interest.

Kurt as a representative of the trust company, guaranteed payment of the bond, and the trust company that backed the bond, would pay it out once a valid claim was presented.

In other words, I disagree that the Dorean Group weren't involved in paying off any lender instruments.

If they weren't involved in such an activity, where did the State of Utah charges of insurance fraud stem from? Are you agreeing then that those charges were bogus then? Again, another example of "double talk".

Also what insurance products were the Dorean Group selling? Was there an insured interest that was violated in some way? Did any lenders have an insureable interest in what Dorean was doing?

notarial dissent said...

Moogles, really wish you would take those remedial reading classes you so badly need,

3-602 has to do with the paying of drafts, checks, and the like, not fictitious bonds, now there could be a case made for them of having tring to pass bogus payment orders and false evidence of insurance, but that is petty anty in comparison to the major fraud charges against them.

As to the “bond” since it was bogus to begin with, neither registered, licensed, or legal in any of the states where they attempted to use it, and not even going in to the fact that the “bonds” were totally worthless to begin with, which is a whole other collection of fraud that should be looked into at a later date. And, to answer your question, I have read the so called “bond” and it contains a meaningless collection of legal gibberish that is totally unenforceable, and does not pass legal requirements for a valid item, in other words, dear Moogs, it isn’t even good quality birdcage liner because dim and dimmer were too cheap to buy good paper to print it off on.

Moogs, a bond is only of value if there is something to back it up with, and First Mutual didn’t even have enough money to keep its corporate charter valid in Switzerland, so how on earth could it ever have paid out anything if a bond was collected on?

Agree or not, Moogs, the dim duo were not the makers of the notes and dots signed to take out the mortgages, and therefore could not stand in for the original signers.

The insurance fraud charges stem from the so called “bonds”, as you well know, doing anything with them without being licensed by the state was a criminal act, purporting to issue “bonds” that were in fact unlicenced, and worthless in the bargain was an act of fraud under the state’s fraud and insurance statutes, and they were rightly charged with those crimes. Just so we are clear on this Moogs, the act of issuing a bond or a surety, which is what we are talking about here is an act of insurance, and as such comes under state insurance regs. The violation was in issuing it, the fraud was in that they were worthless.

As an additional little bit for you the following, is currently on the record concerning dim and dimmer.

It is firmly established that district courts have subject matter jurisdiction over
prosecutions for violations of criminal statutes. "Under 18 U.S.C. § 3231, federal district courts have exclusive original jurisdiction over all offenses against the laws of the United States."


The defendants have been charged with violations of the following criminal statutes: 18 U.S.C. § 1349, 1341, 1344, 401. No where in this is the UCC involved.

The defendants' ‘vapor money' theory has no basis in law. It has been squarely
addressed and rejected by various courts through the country for over twenty years. The Frances Kenney Family Trust v. World Savings Bank, 2005 WL 106792, *5 (N.D. Cal. 2005)


The court has jurisdiction under Federal law, they are charged with Federal crimes, fraud, not relating to the UCC, and your ‘vapor money theory’ is just that so much vapor.

So put that in your hookah and smoke it.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "As to the “bond” since it was bogus to begin with, neither registered, licensed, or legal in any of the states where they attempted to use it.."
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Maybe one of those remedial courses might even help you understand something as basic as a dictionary? From the Law Dictionary we read:

"Subrogation: "the substitution of another person in the place of the creditor to whose rights he [the other person] suceeds in relation to the debt; one's payment or assumption of an obligation for which another is primarily liable."
McClintock, Equity 123 (2d ed. 1948).

This doctrine IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON CONTRACT, nor upon privity between the parties; it is the creation of equity, and is founded upon principles of NATURAL JUSTICE....Subrogation has been generally classified as being

EITHER LEGAL OR CONVENTIONAL.

Legal subrogation arises by OPERATION OF LAW where one having a liability, or right, or a fiduciary relation in the premises, pays a debt due by another under such circumstances that he is in equity entitled to the security or obligation held by the creditor whom he has paid.

Conventional subrogation, on the other hand, arises where by EXPRESS OR IMPLIED AGREEMENT, with the debtor, a person advancing money to discharge a prior lien might be substituted to the security of the prior lienee."
18 S.E. 2d 917, 920
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There's two kinds of subrogation discussed there. One is obtained through contract, and the other is NOT. Obviously, getting a license involves a contract between the person/corporation & the State/government. The other does not require a license or any governmental privilege & in fact is NOT dependent upon contract. Both are recognized as valid & legal.
Principles of "natural justice" as it says. Doesn't sound like anything governmental there that needs a license or privilege or paying a fee to obtain when it's based upon natural justice.

In other words my remedial friend, the type of subrogation bond that Dorean used didn't need to fit your litmus test of being registered or licensed, for it was a bond of the OTHER KIND, the one that arises out of express or implied agreement, not the type you publish somewhere in governmental records or certifications or licensing departments.

The law and even the basic remedial law dictionary recognizes two different types of subrogation bonds, so it matters not what you think.

You would probably have the atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ declared legally annulled and unrecognized because Jesus didn't apply for a license from Caesar to be the Saviour of the world to take upon other peoples sins & pay the debt of those sins.

You say the Dorean bond was "bogus". I say prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is no court rulings on that, just your opinions.

You say that all of Dorean's funds were confiscated, even the 4 million in Latvia, even though it's outside the jurisdiction of the FBI. How was that done? And assuming it got done somehow, why don't you hear the press or even the FBI bragging about taking that 4 million in money, like the $300,000 in monies they took from US bank accounts in the U.S. that got published in newspapers. You don't hear anything about the trust company being put out of business. The government and court was successful in putting the Dorean Group out of business though, why couldn't the big bad government, put the trust company out of business or see to it somehow that huge pressure was put on them, if their activity was so illegal as you allege? These are questions that make you want to say, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: " I said there was nothing in the UCC that addresses what you do about criminal behavior, that falls to the fraud statutes, I never said it didn’t define what criminal behavior was."
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Since the UCC "defines criminal behaviour," as you say, all the more reason to then allow the Defendants to be able to use the UCC in court to show that their behaviour WAS NOT CRIMINALY DEFINED BY THEIR ACTIONS. Again, more "double talk" by you. I can tell you are a lawyer in your very speech and arguments.

As usual, you & the court have everything backwards. You have the Defendants guilty before a trial. Judge Spero said that "Kurt would get life" because of his attitude of not pleading things out in the manner the Judge wanted, & THE TRIAL HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET.

You say they have committed a scam, so the court only needs to discuss the laws that pertain to what to do with their criminal behaviour. Again, you've had the Duo cooked before they are even in the frying pan.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "they didn’t even have enough money to keep its corporate charter valid in Switzerland, so how on earth could it ever have paid out anything if a bond was collected on?"
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If a charter or license is negligently not paid on time, does this prove that funds were not available to pay the charter or maybe some other explanation exists like change of ownership. I wouldn't think those fees would be very much at all, compared to the income they took in, so for you to jump to conclusions like that is not fair.

Or for example, if you get a speeding ticket & forget to pay it timely, or some other explainable reason, does that mean that you had no money in the bank at the time to pay it when the fees were due? Of course not, it was just untimely paid.

Again, you are jumping to conclusion based upon zero proof. Give me something I can stick my teeth into.

What date are you saying that the charter fees became due & not paid on time? Wouldn't that date be significant to state or are you again trying to confuse? Are you trying to confuse by saying that their charter is not legally recognized now?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "so where you get the nerve to compare them with Yick Wo who was persecuted and jailed for essentially being born Chinese,"
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No nerve; essentially in both cases both were jailed for violating a statute on the books, the statute on the books was used simply to unfairly imprison. Yick Wo caused no harm to others, and neither has the Dorean Group. No harm, no foul.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "I use that term with tongue firmly in cheek, and were the only ones who actually profited in any great measure from the fraud,"
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Again, more "double talk" by you. If the government seized ALL OF THE FUNDS, as you say, then the government is the ones that actually profited the most from the and not the Dorean Group. So which is it? Can you make up your mind?

mogel said...

Notarial Dissetn said: "Got it in one, just because an ass is braying there is no requirement for paying it any attention."
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Certainly not if you don't mind getting kicked on your ass by your inattentiveness.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissetn said: "if the contract specifies a certain type of payment in a certain fashion at a certain time, as all loan documents do, then that controls. So, as usual your argument is full of holes."
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Contracts are paid off early all the time, so what are you talking about?

A certain type of payment? You mean if I offered my lender Euros instead of dollars, that they wouldn't accept it? Give me a break.

You think bonds can't be converted into dollars and that the banks are unable to do this? Give me another break please.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "Agree or not, Moogs, the dim duo were not the makers of the notes and dots signed to take out the mortgages, and therefore could not stand in for the original signers."
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So "assignment of debt" and "subrogation" are two legal terms not in your vocabulary? Yes, a remedial course is right for you.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent: Have you ever seen the complete presentment package sent out to a lender in behalf of a client? I expect you haven't.

The legal standing for the lender to not ignore the presentment is clearly defined and spelled out clearly to the lender. The trustees authority is given to the lender & shown by an agreement signed.

Lenders assign their rights and interests, all the time. Are you saying by the same logic then that an assignee of the loan, has no legal standing to demand payment from a borrower, since they aren't an original party to the original contract & hence have no legal standing?

Or is this just more of your "double talk" and "double standards" that you apply in a specific argument?

notarial dissent said...

Moogles, I know what a subrogation bond is, however to the matter at hand it is irrelevant. The loan agreements that the Dorean victims signed do not allow for any substitution. Whoever signed those original documents is the party responsible, and no one can be substituted or take their place without violating the loan agreement. As to the law, the contracts/loan agreements take precedence and are also backed by the law.

As to the rest of your long winded blather, pure and simple and your usual BS.

There legally was no bond since the company issuing it was neither registered or licensed to do business in the US, and since the company has no funds it could not have paid off even if it had to.

All I said, was that to the best of my knowledge, that all of the funds within the US had been seized by the gov’t. Since I have heard varying tales as to how much that was, how much the boys supposedly took in, and how much they were able to get out of the country, I have no first hand knowledge as to the sums involved. Since the garment manufactury, which is what it was legally listed as with the Swiss authorities, had no legal existence or presence within the US, I doubt if there was anything to seize, and as the Utah authorities determined it was a fraud as well they obviously checked and could find nothing either. One thing is for certain, First Mutual Trust did not, and does not exist anywhere as either an insurance, trust, or actually any kind of business at this point. Didn’t then, doesn’t now. And since Dougy skipped the country as soon as it got messy, there wasn’t anyone here to ask.

Again Mooney, the dim duo haven’t been charged with anything that the UCC covers, so it won’t enter into the prosecution. You seem to forget that these are Federal charges, not state, and UCC is state law.

The difference Moogs, is that I am not the court, and I am not on the jury, so I am free to state my opinions and beliefs as I see them. Legally they are not guilty, yet, that will be determined by a jury of their peers. I personally think and believe that they are guilty as charged. As to Judge Spero’s statements, he is only advising them in light of prior experience and knowledge as to what could happen to them if the jury finds them guilty.

Moogie, a company that supposedly has the money that First Mutual would have had to have had to actually pay on those bonds does not just forget to pay their corporate fees, not when it would mean voiding their authority to transact business, and since they weren’t licensed to carry on the business they claimed they were in might just also incline one to think they weren’t quite on the up and up. The fact that their corporate charter has been suspended for over six months and is scheduled for dissolution by the Swiss authorities says otherwise.

You’re right abut one thing, Yick Wo didn’t hurt anyone, which is more than can be said about the dim duo, how many people have lost their homes so far because of them?

Somehow, I don’t seem to remember that it was the gov’t promising to legally void mortgages and return property to people who hadn’t actually paid for it, and I don’t remember the gov’t charging $3000 a pop for the privilege of losing ones home and credit rating. Try again Moogs.

I never said anything about loans being paid off early, and they certainly are and can be, although anymore a lot have pre-payment penalties. There is no requirement that they accept any particular form of payment other than what the loan agreement specifies. They are free to accept anything they want to, but they don’t have to do anything other than what the agreement requires. Since the bond was worthless, the argument is irrelevant anyway.

No, but apparently non assumable are not in yours, currently, all real estate loan agreements specify that they either are not assumable at all, or are not assumable except with the permission of the lender.

Moogie, regardless of your blather, or what you think, the so called presentment package had no legal standing, and was legally unenforceable.

True, lenders assign their rights all the time, but they do it legally and according to the law, which dim and dimmer didn’t, which is part of the reason they are in the trouble they are now.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "The fact that their corporate charter has been suspended for over six months and is scheduled for dissolution by the Swiss authorities says otherwise."
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Where are you getting this information?

notarial dissent said...

In answer to your question, my information comes straight from the horse’s mouth so to speak, the Swiss Corporations Registry, the Handelsregister. They are the legal authority in Switzerland for corporations.

As of May 29, 2006 First Mutual was placed in involuntary dissolution for having failed to maintain its legal charter and presence in Switzerland, and as of July 24, 2006 they are listed in dissolution processing without domicile or management. Which means they are defunct!!!!!!!!

This is the exact listing from the Handelsregister
Firma: First Mutual Trust of Switzerland 1918 AG in Liquidation
(CH-020.3.903.140-5)

Status: in Auflösung
Rechtsform: Aktiengesellschaft
Sitz: Zug

Happy trails Moogey

mogel said...

Notarial Dissent said: "As of May 29, 2006 First Mutual was placed in involuntary dissolution for having failed to maintain its legal charter and presence in Switzerland, and as of July 24, 2006 they are listed in dissolution processing without domicile or management. Which means they are defunct!!!!!!!!"
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No it means that they are defunct in Switzerland, but doesn't necessary mean that they are defunct. A company with assets can incorporate elsewhere, or anywhere they want, can they not? Again, you are jumping to conclusions and then providing conclusions as facts.

And besides was Dorean doing business during the time frame that the trust company supposedly had their charter in a limbo state? Of course not, so your argument holds no water saying the bond was invalid due to a charter not being recognized.

You don't even know the basic difference between an agreement and a contract. You seem to just concentrate on the borrowers obligations. You don't even discuss what the lender promises & what they renigged on which in essence voids the agreement, so any enforcement of a void agreement is just ridiculous anyway. Besides it's not illegal to transfer a property in a trust & doesn't violate the agreement as you suggest. Look that up in the law; it's there. Maybe your remedial reading course could help you. The mortgage paperwork is not even a contract. If it was, tell me where does the lender sign where he agrees to his obligations?

Contract: "A transaction involving two or more individuals, whereby EACH becomes obligated to the other, with reciprocal rights to demand performance of what is promised by each respectively."

It's obvious once a borrower or their representative demands obligations by the lender, you see what happens. You get two people imprisoned on bogus charges because they dared suggest that the lender violated their obligations to the borrower.

mogel said...

Notarial Dissetns said: "currently, all real estate loan agreements specify that they either are not assumable at all, or are not assumable except with the permission of the lender."
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The Dorean Group didn't take over the payments of all clients, nor did they assume their mortgages. Now you really are smoking something.