Thursday, April 12, 2007

The end is near (03-20-07)

We have come to that place where delays are harder to come by. Whether by the final revelation (coming) method or by trial the accusation of bank fraud is going to be settled. Based on the unfolding of trial preparation I could not be happier with how things have gone. If one is willing to suffer they can confront the tyrant. Scott and I trained in Christ for suffering we’ll get that privilege. The only way they could win is to scare us into a surrender. It worked on others but not on us. Knowing how close our remedy is pursuing us is getting exciting. I have never been bound by the ignorance on this blog or in the courtroom. Thank the Lord I have always been able to see my way clearly on the subject matter. The last important battle now is for evidence. The government’s favorite tool is to disallow any exonerating evidence and to have a trial irrelevant to the true facts. A mere piece of controlled propaganda. I’ve been preparing for this weapon for two years. They will not be able to help themselves falling into the traps I’ve laid for them to raise the precluded evidence. Once the subjects are breached by the prosecution they are open game. A trapper must know the behavior of the prey to be successful. A seven-month trial for securities fraud is very revealing if you keep your eyes open. The stakes were not high then. I was a young man who could do the time, did not have the interest of thousands of clients, an industry at risk, or a great wife. I am glad to have had the training then to benefit now. That is the wonder of living in Christ. All things work together for good for those who are called according to His purposes. Things will rapidly be changing so pay attention.

NEED: I no longer have copies of the radio show I did with Alex Merklinger and the gentleman in Washington D.C. Also the TV interview on Fox News. If any of you have a copy, link, or access I will need these as evidence. Your help is appreciated.


Current Address:

Kurt Johnson 13177081
Federal Detention Center
5675 8th St. Camp Parks
Dublin, CA 94568

31 comments:

GR82BMOI said...

Kafoolya: The depth of your illiteracy is truly and utterly astonishing. Wow.

tcob247 said...

KAHOOOYA said..........

KYHOOYA said...
tcob247 said...
you mean a real job like building outhouses like you do?

Define "real job"


I make enough money and then some.

I don't work 9-5
I don't have a boss
I take off whenever I want
I don't drive to work

it's 2007 man, get with it

10:42 AM
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lET'S SEE i KNOW YOUR A LITTLE SLOW BUT COME ON!

Maybe if I write it in one liner's like you then you'll be able to see it .

Define "real job"

I did, you stand down at the freeway begging for money. I just thought like most people with any drive to better themself's you might want to expand.

Sorry just could'nt seem to fit that all in one line. It seem's that trying to get throught to you so that you can understand thing's need's a lot more time & space to write it on.

Oh well, sue me! and maybe you might be able to move out of that shit hole you live in and you'll stop bothering me to come and build you a new 'outhouse'
I told you once, so for the last time

I HAVE SEEN YOUR PAY CHECK, REMEMBER?
YOU DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY AND YOUR CREDITS NO GOOD HERE SO GO QUIT BEGGING.

i KNOW THAT HARD FOR YOU TO DO SO i'LL OVER LOOK IT THIS TIME.

Really some people just can't take a hint till you bang their head onth wall a few times, Even then some just keep coming back for more.

Now where were we Oh thats right you were talking up how much money you make and how being your own boss lets you come and go anytime you wan.

First off let me tell you something there oh mr. boss man. In the real world there are people that work for many years long hour and endless weeks at there business just to make it and hope that when it's all said and done they will have something they can look back at and say they built that up and made it into something that is worth enough so that now they can mayne enjoy the last year with a little comfort. Most are by that point more than happy to see it sold or go to someone else and have had enough of being the boss ,owner , big cheeze.

Then there are people like you that look around where they work and see this guy they call boss and and think to themselfs "Boy now he's got the a great job, what a life. He get's to come and go know tell's him what to do, know one! he make's all that money & for what ? He bearly dose anything at all I do all the work well he get's all the glory and money."

That about sum up how you think about it there Tin Cuppy ?

I sure that I havve to be real close because you wanta know why I know that ?

I'll tell you anyway.
There are a few thing about you that tell me your not the boss or owner of anything more than that Tin Cup I keep sayin.

Here's the real deal pal when you own or are the boss the fact is you have less time then anyone and you get the joy of what to you looks like comeing and going when ever and that would close to the truth. but not hardly the way it is omnly part is the coming abnd going because you are there ata all hour becvause of some screwup one of the people you pay that is said to have an expert at what he is paid to do but can;'t seem to get it right when you need him to.
Oh and by the way when that guy screws up it more thn likly just as your getting ready to leave town on a business trip or something you can miss but yet you now have to find the time after hour's ti fix it so youi'll that well your gone the hole place dos'nt end up in a ball of flame and you'll have something to come back to and a hole bunch of new thing's that have to be delte with.

You know it just crack's me up when someone like you sit there and say thing just like that as it for one is the very thing that show's your so stupid that you can't even see what it takes to runn a company and all of the time and pain in the ass cry babies that go with it. Nope you sit day dreaming of how go it would be to be the boss well the whole time you are day dreaming Your get paid and more than likly fucking something up that some one like me is going top have to fix or pay for and all without a CLUE OF THE REAL DEAL OF BEING THE BOSS/OWNER/
& cheif battle washer fry cook auto mech, admin, bookkeeper, legal dept. and the rest of the thing that go into it .

So for real take your wishing little tin cup begging ass and like I said either go do it and see for your self or keep wish and begging and shut your pie hole.

I have read somewhere that there are some who have made the act of begging into a real 6 fig. paying job and do very well for thenselfs .

Now do I think thats you ? Not a chance ! Want to know why ? I'll telll you anyway.

Because those people could come and work for me any time they have one very important thing you don't and from what I have seen over the past two years from you there is no hope of you ever getting it . TRhat one thing is?....

They take what they have and find a way to make it better and all woith out anyone having to tell them how to do it.

You then there is you who can't tie his shoe without beingtold how and drags his ass everywhere he gose and wishes he could be something that's is not given but earn for out of hard work long hour and the driving force to want better for one's self.

Not sitting on you r ass in front of that box bitching how you got screwed over when in fact the hole dam thing could have been stop and yopu would'nt havce to bitch if you had one ioda of effort put out to check things and not have everything given or cheat your way through everything.

Like I said I know that I have a pretty good picture of who youare pal. and it's like I said

you more than likly cheated an every test you ever had to take,

If there was something that you thought you could get in to or be the one to beat your freind out of it I'm sure that there was no stopping you as you seceretly back stabbed your way through and when you got there just could'nt wait to rub it in and try and look like you were the smart one

Well geuss what tinny Cup

Your not the smart one your never going to make it anywhere with the mind full of thingyou have and even if you some day get luck and one ofthese thing's you jump in to head first without checking or using you common sence to think or wait and see what happens before if one works I'm sure once your onboard eveyone and the what ever will have it's day 's numbered and be screwed up some how.

With you way of doing and thinking there is know way but for something to fail.

Wake up and quit wasting all of your bosses money wish ing you were him and thinking he has it so gopod becaus eYOUR WRONG WITHOUT EVER EVEN HAVING TO SEE HIM OR WHAT THEY DO YOUR WRONG .

sO IF YOU DO EVER EXPAND THAT BEGGING BUSIZZ OF YOUR LET ME KNOW HOW IT FEEL'S TO BE THE BOSS WHET YOU GET THERE . i BET YOU FIND OUT IT AL YOU THINK IT I.

fOR THAT MATTER WHY DON'T YOU FIND OUT FROM THAT BOX IN FRONT OF YOOU AND FIND A CHAT ROOM ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE OWNERS AND ASK THEM YOU DIP SHIT.

oH SURE IT'S GREAT i HAVE MY COMPANY AND WHAT A LIFE IT IS

I don't show up till noon and go home by 3:00 have everone else do my work fopr me and when I get tird and want to have fun I just pick some poor slob that works for me and give him shit for nknow reasone at all tell him that I' going to fire him if he shows up late even when he has'nt been late more than ten maybe 15 times that month but you know hopw it is when your the boss you just gett to have fun that way and there know one to tell you any different. Shit when I want to take off and get a little rast and relaxaion you know the old R&R I just do it I leave what ever behind me I mean when your boss man you got to do these things or what the hell isall the hard work for right?
Yep a little R&R and tell you what when I get back somebody 's going to pay if I find one dam thing wrong I'mean come on If as the boss I can't leave a few thing's undone and tell know one about them and expect that there donew when I get back I need to get me soemnew pea on's right?

Yep it's good to be the boss


LOLOOLOLOOLOLOOLOOOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


ROFLMAOCGUOMGIHPSOIP


tHAT HAS GOT TO BE EVERY PERSON i HAVE EVER MEET WHO DID'NT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT IT TAKE S TO KEEP A COMPANY UP AND RUNNING SMOOTH.
THEY THING THAT EVERYTHING IS JUST SO EASY AND BEING THE TOP DAG THERE IS NOTHING TO DO BUT COUNT YOUR MONEY AND TAKE TRIP'S AND IF THEY JUST COULD GET A BREAK AND SOME MONEY THEY COULD HAVE ALL THAT TOO .

CCCCCUASE IT' EASY TO BE THE BOSS .. FROM WHERE THEY SIT AS THE PUNCH THAT CLOCK AND ONCE THEY DO THEY GO HOME DRINKL A BER PUT THERE FEET UP OVER SPEND AND COMPLAIN HOW HARD THEY WORKED ALL DAY WHEN FACT WAS THEY SPENT MORE TIME TALKING IN THE BATHROOM OR GETTING A BANDAID OR SOMEOTHER WASTE OF TOIME THIONG AND LETS NOT FOR GET THE LUNCH AND BREAKS THEY TAKE AND ADD EXTRE 10 MIN. TO JUST DRAGGING THEM SELFS BACK TO WHERE THEY LEFT OFF BUT WAIT NOW THEIR GOINGH TO HAVE TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME JUST TO REMEMBER WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE DOING BEFORE THE BREAK AND AFTER MAYBE SMOKING A LITTLE SOMTHING YOU KNOW? jUST BECAUSE THEY DISERVE IT AND IT KEEPS THERE STRESS LEVEL DOWN RIGHT BUT NOW THEIR SO RELAXED THEY DRIVE A FORK LIFT RIGHT THROUGH YOUR 12 WEEK OUT CUSTOM DOOR'S THAT WERE THE FRT DOOR' ON THIS JOB THATHAS A CONTRACT DATE WITH OUT EXTENTION COMING UP IN ONLY THREE WEEKi'LL LET YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT ONE ..

nOW WHO HAS THE EASY JOB AND CFARE FREE LIFE WITHOUT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEM SELFS AND IF THEY COULD DO THAT AND JUST MAYBE FIND THE TIME TO LEARN THEIR TRADE SO THAT THEY COULD AT LEAST DO IT WITH A HIGHER THEN 50% COMP. PERFORMANCE . OR OUT PUT .
AND JUST MAYBE LEAVE THAT SMOKE FOR AFTER WORK WHEN THERE NOTHING TO SCREW UP BUT THE PLACE ON THE COUCH JUST MAYBE IF THEY COULD DO THAT AND DRAG THEIR SORRY LASY ASS OUT OF BED SO THAT THEY COULD BRING THAT 75% LATE TO WORK A MOUTH RATE DOWN TO LETS SAY 10% SO THAT THEY COULD BE THERE TO JUST ONCE OPEN THE DAM GATE OR SOMETHING SO.......

mAYBE THE BOSS COULS SLEEP IN FOR OBCE AND DID'NT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT YOU KNOW HAVE SOME ONE THAT HAS THE GOOD WORK SKILL AND EFFORET AND IS WILLING TO BE THERE WHEN YOU ASK OR MATBE EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T THEN WHEN YOU CUT THAT CHECK EVRY TWO WEEK'S THAT THEY DO NOTHING BUT BITCH ABOUT AND THINK THEY SHOULD BE GETTING MORE THN 20 25 PER HOUR BECAUSE "THERE WORTH IT " YA RIGHT!

PISS OFF TiN cUP YOUR A BOWSS OR OWNER OF YOU DICK THATS ABOUT IT AND i BETT THE WIFE TOOK THAT AND ONLY GIVES IIT TO YOU IF BEGG HER OR ASK REAL NICE


YOU KNOW pLEASE HONEY ALL THE REST OF THE GUY'S WIFE S ARE LETTING THEM HAVE THEIRS FO THE NIGHT. COME ON1 WHA WHA WHA!

yOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT AND YOUR OWN GREED AND DUMB AS THINKING GOT YOU WHERE YOU ARE NOT ANY ONE RUNNING A SCAM ON YOU YOU DO THAT FOR YOUR SELF JUST FIN.

L8R

4:56 PM


KYHOOYA said...
Hey Tin Cup now before you post some other b.s.why don't you see if you can muster up enough in that head of your to start a fire and think about what you want to say even a spark has got to be better than the same old shit you post and have posted for two years now. I know it might hurt but give it a shot you never no it might have a chane reaction and then you might to have more ideas and do more thing without be told then the next thing befor you know it you might just get some one to see your doing things for your self without fucking them up they might say something like " Hey look over ther at old Tin Cuppy bot hey sure has change in fact he's smokin these day's LOLOLO


AHHH you know what that was'nt that funny and truth be told what would be the chance of you doing antything that would be close to that any way.

So NEVER MIND BAD IDEA.

GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE DOING AND DIS REGARD THIS POST.

iT WAS ONLY A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY DUMB ASS ALERT THIS WAS ONLY A TEST IFTHIS HAD BEEN A REAL ALERT YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD WHAY TO DO AND WHERE TO GO DO IT.

SO REMEMBER THIS WAS ONLY A TEST OF THE SYSTEM WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SHOULD STOP BEING SUCH A DUMB ASS WHET THAT TIME COMES

GOT IT!
DIPSHIT

BOY YOU KNOW WHAT? iT NEVER SEMS TO GET OLD SAYING THAT TO YOU . i MEAN EVEY TIME i TYPE IT IT HAS THAT SAME GOOD OLD FEELING THAT TELLS YOU THAT YOU DOING OR SAY JUST... THE RIGHT THING FOR THAT MOMMENT AND THERE IS NOTHING BETTER THAT WOULD GET THE POINT ACROSS OTHERETHEN WHAT YOU HAVE SAID .

bOY YOU WOULD THINK AFTER TWO YEARS THAT TEH SAME OLD THING WOULD BE KINDA LACLING IT'S UMPH BUT GUESS NOT

SO THER YOU HAVE

Go with what work I guess

right shit4brains?

yep same eveytime

boy sure is good to be the boss!

yep sure good.


OK better stop ther before I get to getty and run someone over on my way home. Oh but wait I already home i almost forgot I'm the boss and all that I left work hour ago



LOLOLOLOOLLOLOLhahahahahahah what a morron .

5:15 PM


KYHOOYA said...
GR82BMOI said...
SOP said..."don minus said..."-


Who is don minus?

5:08 PM

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Your kidding .. right?

LOLOLLOLL know wonder there is such a wide open range of waythat people get them selfs into things' they like to blame others for .
It's just to easy how can not happen even without someone trying i bet there would be some one crying how they were scamed by something they had know understanding about. It's just to easy !


Unbelievable i'm just completly amazed by thing people say and do everyday.
They just go to show you how things really are and how it happens.

5:22 PM


KYHOOYA said...
Unbelievable

5:22 PM


KYHOOYA said...
GR82BMOI said...
SOP said..."don minus said..."-


Who is don minus
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Tin Cup, You want to handle this one.

I thinking you just might tget this right that way you can end the day on a possitive note for a change.
What do you say, give it a go or what?
LOLOl

5:24 PM

tcob247 said...

You know what is real funny

I make a 10 word or less post and Kafoolya spends an hour typing his little fingers away responding

I love it

Keep it up there little buddy

habakkuk said...

tcob, We've had to put up with your nonsense these 2 years...i guess we can put up with it a little longer.

But you know what speaks louder than the naysayer babble??.... This courageous guy named Kurt Johnson, that you claim is a "crook", "scam artist", "looser", "jesus wanna be", etc is sitting in jail and is just as sharp, clear-headed, focused, articulate, and full of faith as the day he first got tossed in there unjustly. I dont care what you or the others have to say, this guy is the real-deal. Any other "joe" would have been sitting in the corner of the jail cell sucking their thumb and crying like a baby by now. But this guy is getting sharper with time.

When you got Yeshua on your side, you get everything that comes with Him....Peace, Strength, Wisdom, etc.

The End is Near.

mogel said...

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: Alex Merklinger interview

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Kurt Johnson & Scott Hineman – Dorean Group - selected transcript

Scott: Researched UCC, banking – got into this from an investigative standpoint – was always able to come current or reinstate, didn’t come from a position of poverty - truly believed there was an issue to explore – 5 ½ months later I ended up with free and clear title to my home – last I heard from World Savings before this recent lawsuit, was a letter March 2004 saying “happy anniversary, your payments will be this number starting July 1, ’04” and I refused that contract offer and have not heard from them since, until there is the lawsuit now. They expected me to re-contract with them – they quit sending billing statements in Jan ’03. Curious that it was several months down the road when they wanted to start payments again. I had two loans, two notes – 1st loan was $325K and 2nd was $95K – 4 months after reconveyance was done, World Savings sold that note to some 3rd party debt collector, and I ran them through the conventional validation of debt and I haven’t heard from them in a couple of years, year and a half – the first is what they’re trying to come after at this point.

Alex Merklinger: How many conveyances have you successfully completed?

Scott: 1200 or 1300

Alex: this is working right now almost on a daily basis

Scott: that’s correct – we had a little bit of an interruption with the FBI seizure of documents – had to find our equalibrium again – people often say “the banks didn’t do the reconveyance therefore its not valid, whole substitution of trust was done illegally” – we have done enough research, and its on-going with the help of some real pros, we’ve dug up even more dishonor in the system. But we get to where we get to with the reconveyance based on the law. The agency, we have demonstrable evidence that you can be appointed agent for someone through their silence and law and statue backs that up.

Alex: have you had a lot of flack from the banks?

Scott: we had the FBI come in [laughter]. The banks are starting to put affidavits into the county recorders office making the public notice, which is really where it ought to be – everything we do is done with plenty of notice, plenty of honor, we give them a bond and we do what we say we’re going to do. The idea that they can insist that an obligation is due while they’re holding a bond is really an impossibility at law. Our administrative side butrusses that argument, collecting the foreign judgement, if you will, which estopps the banks entirely from bringing action into court – that’s a process that we employed about 2 months ago.

Alex: let’s talk about the FBI raid.

Scott: Kurt was down in LA and we don’t think that was an accident that they came in while he was out. I’ve always instructed our people to keep the doors locked. On this day it was open. A guy pops his head in and says, “FBI.” And I really thought it was a joke at first and then I saw all these people rush in and corral all my people into the back. The agents went down the line asking people to identify themselves and a few of us would not identify ourselves. A few people didn’t know how to handle themselves and they identified themselves and they were allowed to leave.

Alex: why would you not identify yourselves, and why would you not have to do that?

Scott: its my understanding that these guys are coming in and attacking a fiction. The warrant on its face did not have a proper seal and so they’re coming in improperly. It was the same with the warrant that was at my house. And the one used to seize our checking account balances. They expect us to be sureity for these all-caps people and what their asking for essentially is somebody to bond the action. We’re not interested in being sureity for the fiction. We know they’re there simply to incite and indict and we weren’t going to be party to that.

They didn’t come in with a cease and dissest or injunction, they just came to grab up records – it was a Which-Hunt.

Alex: at any time were they not polite, not gentlemanly?

Scott: No, for the most part they were pretty respectful – they were forceful. They wouldn’t let us make telephone calls – I wanted to call Kurt to tell him to go get our money, but by the time that happened they had already gotten it.

Alex: why wouldn’t they allow you make phone calls? Is that legal?

Kurt: It comes down to controlling the environment – they’re all running around in flack-jackets because they’re doing stuff that most people would get shot for – and that’s just the way they are and that’s not going to change – what pissed me off is that they used my copy machine to make copies, so they’re cheap bastards, too. [Laughter] We’re learning to collect their dishonor, so its working out pretty good for us.

There was a company by the name of Mike Barnet and company, when they got raided it was just a bunch of shell companies that he controlled jockeying money around and they didn’t have any kind of process and they had a few million dollars . Then they [FBI] went over to Redwood Trust in New York and they found basically a ponzi scheme. They came here and found 175k documents that prove we do exactly what we say we do.

And they didn’t get all the evidence and so we made sure to submit it to the court. They didn’t get the letter of credit that backs our bond and I thought that was important so we filed that in court within a couple days on top of our memorandum of law and our business plan.

Alex: they said you’d get your documents back in a month – its been a month – have you gotten them back?

Kurt: We’re not going to get ‘em back. I think quite frankly they all have stains on their lips from the banker’s butts. We even had one FBI agent tell one of our clients that the banks are too big to fight and that’s why we did it. You know what? Nobody told me that they were too big, ‘cause a bully that has to steal your money has no power.

Alex: How many clients have the FBI approached and tried to strong-arm them or put pressure on them or scare ‘em?

Kurt: Well that’s the next tactic and hopefully our clients are paying attention and aware. They’ve got our client list and they’re going to try and convert our clients into hostile witnesses. They’re going to do it by lying to the clients and making up different things. I’ve already been down this road, I’m way ahead of them – our policy is clients can say anything they like, we have nothing to hide. We just want to know who’s damaging us commercially and we have remedies. Get a copy of their business cards.

Scott: We suggest you ask the agent to put their questions in writing and then you can give them a thoughtful response – you stay in honor and we can become involved at that point. The client does not have to answer question unless its under court order.

Alex: What has transpired in the business since all this happened?

Kurt: We have about a dozen clients that have been spooked out of their rights. One client in particular I want to address tonight, Sheldon Mitchel (sp?) – the government went Boo and they crapped themselves. For the most part the results from the clients has been outstanding. We’re talking to them, we’re on conference calls, we hold press conferences inviting the media in and the FBI – nobody showed up

Scott: we had a meeting about 250 strong with Farrel LeCompte and CCR in Las Vegas, and I was really humbled by that experience – to get a standing ovation is very humbling – we’re not in this for that, that’s not why we’re here and you asked about the business and its actually increased – the population at large who is educated in such matters says hey, there’s these guys where the FBI went Boo and they said up yours and we’re pushing back to expose them for the liars, cheats, thieves and cowards that they are.

They went before the grand jury and couldn’t get an indictment – they said go get more evidence – Mathew Earnst in Concord and the FBI put in a sealed affadavit – apparently he has some first hand knowledge of our business – and then he got 3 warrents to collect evidence – then they just want to control evidence so they can control the indictment – its nothing new, its been their tactic for a couple hundred years by now – we keep submitting truth and they keep rejecting it – we submitted our business plan including affadavit of law on agency and we submitted our memorandum of law on entitlement rights and the UCC in application to mortgage documents with a copy of our letter of credit which backs our bond as notice to court and you think the court would be interested in evidence about what we rely on, what our business intention is – heck they’re attacking our business, you would think the business plan would be appropriate evidence.

US attorney James Keller was so appalled by that he put in a motion to strike and got his boss and another associate Kevin V. Ryan and Emoy Choy or Chow or whatever her name is to join him on this motion to strike, and Judge Brazil, the jury tamporer that he is, decided that he would strike everything – and this is just a notice to the court of evidence they missed – and so he not only struck it, he said if its not out of his courthouse in seven days he would destroy it – I think destroying evidence is pretty much evidence of the intent of these people – we’re dealing with it – we filed a notice of appeal on that yesterday – business plan, I think that’s relevant to what Dorean is and who Dorean claims to be, it included the memorandum of law on agency which is 800 cases which justify my position, then we had a memorandum of law on entitlement rights written in a flow-chart format which shows how the rights flow and transfer through the documents in accordance with the UCC and we tried to keep it at the Romper Room level so that people could look at it and understand it – and so I thought that was relevant – and since the contract is what the whole thing centers around, so understanding the rights of the contracting parties would be relevant.

One of the claims that shoots out there is that my bond isn’t worth the paper its printed on, and so I thought it would be relevant to show I have a letter of credit for 150 million dollars and so I submitted that as evidence. They opened up evidentiary files when they gave us the case numbers of 0570050, 52 and 53 – I had a hostile entry into an evidentiary hearing – the FBI came in hostilly and opened up an evidentiary hearing and then they don’t want me to participate, so sorry – I participated. And the judge was furious and he wants that evidence out of there ‘cause god forbid we ever prove we relied on the law.

Alex: can he [the judge] effectively do that?

Kurt: Well, we just noticed him on appeal so we’ll find out, but we resubmitted the evidence in another fashion that he can’t destroy. I gotta tell ya, Judge Alsup is a political hack and Judge Brazil is nothing more than a jury tamperer. I would be impressed with the office if it stayed within its office, but when, if I can be polite, Jackass who puts on a robe and steps outside his authority, these guys don’t impress me – they still got butt-stains on their lips from kissing the bankers butt – we’re taking them head-on and we’re collecting evidence and maybe the next grand jury indictment won’t be ours.

Scott: If he had a basis of law for destroying evidence, he didn’t supply it in his motion to strike. One of the things that we understand is that is an extraordinary move for him to take that he’s going to threaten to shred all the documents if we don’t pick them up in about four days – that’s extraordinary

Kurt: You know that they’re worried because they’re behaving very very strangely. I feel like they grabbed a porcupine and they’re trying to figure out how to let it go because we have relied on the law, we have developed our company around the law – and you know I went to prison for 5yrs 8months for securities fraud and I’m not going to talk about the guilt or innocence or whether there was corruption in that or not – but hey, if you can dish it out, lets see if you can take it. I learned about securities fraud – I know about it – I would say that I’m an expert in that arena - I wanted to know how somebody could put me in jail for 5 yrs 8months and so I studied on the subject. In the study it turns out the banks are doing what I was accused of – so either apologize to me because its public policy to rip people off or send them to jail.

Alex: you’re fighting on two fronts - the court system which obviously is bought and paid for, just as the FBI said the bank’s are a lot bigger so we’re going to support them – the banks and the courts – is there any precedent set for something like you’re doing?

Kurt: No, there isn’t. I think there’s been plenty of people who have conceptually understood that there’s fraud in the mortgage industry, and I think its kind of a divine moment, if I can put it that way, in history because the current mortgage system is peaking in its greed right now and lust over its booty, and it happens to be peaking right as Fannie Mae is under scrutiny for their accounting debacle. The big story is the 11 billion dollars in accounting descrepencies and I’m saying the entire company of the GSE for 2 trillion dollars is a mortgage scheme, if I could use that word [laughs] – it’s a mortgage scheme to defraud the American public as a co-op between the government and the bankers and the entire thing is a fraud and needs to be totally re-vamped. Is it irony that Dorean is making the kind of noise that it is at a time when its imploding? Maybe not.

Alex: when this comes down, you will be setting a precedent in law.

Kurt: They’re not going to get away with it. We’re just two guys who are dumb enough to not give a care about our life, we believe in standing by the truth to our deaths – we don’t get bullied, we don’t get knocked around and because of that we’re making progress against the tyrant. But the real power is the people – if you ever wake up to your rights and understand what we’re talking about, it don’t take very many to say we ain’t taking your crap no more before everybody starts getting scared.

Alex: a woman just starting the process was asked on camera why she was involved with this fraudulent land transaction – they are putting pressure on people from all different avenues

Kurt: Poker analogy – these guys don’t have good cards, they’re just trying to bluff you out of your rights – the reason we set up our structure the way we did is so that you guys can buy a champion very cheap who wants to come in and is not afraid of these guys and we’ll take ‘em on. It is not going to be a wimp who moves the banking system that is profiting almost 10 trillion dollars – that’s a lot of money – there’s no motivation for them to fix it and the only way its going to get fixed is for somebody to come in and cost them more money than its worth, and then once that happens, if the whistle blower can survive all the ridicule and all the absolute idiots…

I mean we had a reporter by the name of Todd Aldrich from Orlando and he was dense as a box of rocks interviewing us today – he could not get past his own preconceived notions and presumptions to even legitimately investigate a story. And this is somebody who is going to write his opinion which is really an editorial as proper investigation and this is what people are going to have to sift through. We are trying to get on programs and in the media as a voice of reason – I don’t care if people get scared and don’t want to work with us, go away – we’re not here to save 80 million mortgages, we’re here to deal with a few people who want to stand for their own rights and for their own estates and love their kids enough to fight for their future – those are the ones we want to help – the rest of you can go listen to idiots like that Todd Aldrich

Scott: and the BBB guy [laughter]

Kurt: when I called the press conference in South Carolina, there was one local BBB president named John Trudeau who was reported or quoted as saying that I was “enhancing my criminal enterprise” and he did show up and that was it – he was invited, the FBI was invited, local radio and television was invited – but John wouldn’t go on camera and I went over and introduced myself to Mr. Trudeau and said “Hi I’m Kurt Johnson and I understand you think I’m a criminal” – he said, “oh I never said that” and I said “oh that’s funny because that’s how they quoted you.

But a principle who has knowledge of an agent’s misstatement has the duty to retract them and if he doesn’t then he buys them and so he said he’d look into it. These are the kinds of honest guys who are out there throwing out their opinions – and I gotta tell ya, their economic sense, they can’t even balance their checkbooks – these guys don’t know anything, they operate on presumption – and it’s a wonderful life where you can eat milk and cookies and believe in fairy tales because they tell you “Oh, of course the bank loaned you money.” I mean attorneys are saying, “Of course they loaned you money” – Come on, I’m a little deeper than that!

That was the argument of the guy out of Wisconsin – “You got a house” – and they don’t want to look at the transaction – I brought up this metaphor when I was with you last time – I invite you to my church and we make a contract where you think you’re going to join my choir next Sunday and I take you out back and say welcome, don’t put the robe on, I want you to strip, I’m actually running a strip club in the back. We got a deal… That’s the logic behind it.

The deal was based on fraud and now you’re making me do something that’s totally bad for me because you hid the material facts. Paying for a house three times over after you’ve already paid for it is bad for you. And its just like being in a strip club when you thought you were joining a choir.

Alex: who are you going after, the entire system, the federal reserve, what?

Kurt: Actually, we’re not really going after anybody – we’re trying to be a business that functions in a commercial arena that addresses a contract that we believe is fraudulent – does that change the banking system? Well, maybe if they get tired of losing mortgages and not getting away with the fraud then maybe they’re going to figure out a way to change it – but our agenda is not to create a new banking system – I would love to be in front of Congress and assist them in helping to come up with a system, but until I get that invitation, that’s not on my agenda – my agenda is you contract with me to provide a service, I need to be as knowledge as I can, as persistent as I can, as tenacious as I can to get a job done which is to remove an invalid lien on an assets of the family estate trust so that your benefitiairies can prosper – and I try to keep it that simple – if that changes the world, fantastic – if it doesn’t I hope it changes your life – I’ve had the opportunity to do it 2000 to 3000 times now, and if I can deliver those people through the Red sea that’s fine, I don’t have to deliver the 80 million

Alex: you’ve had about 1200 who’ve completed the process – have any of those been unable to be successfully eliminated?

Kurt: out of 3000 there’s probably half a dozen we were not able to do our process on, but for the most part everybody else is within our process and functioning fine – we’re hearing that a few county recorders are stamping VOID over our documents, and that’s an interesting legal determination from a non-legal authority, and we’ll deal with that.

The biggest thing we run into is not any resistance to our documentation because its really well based on law, and the presumption of people scares them – you got $10 clerks who can’t comprehend how we can have agency for the bank and be the people who were trustees on the family estate trust because they presume that would be an impossibility having no knowledge of our contract that we had between the bank and ourself – its just presumption that’s causing all the problems, and that’s why if we tenatiously defend our position then presumption is going to lose – truth will win out

Alex: we sure hope so

Kurt: its going to, Alex – or I’m going to die trying – I just read a nice little scripture out of the wisdom of Surac (sp?) saying “stand for the truth till the death, and the lord will fight for you” – that’s good enough promise for me

Alex: these other companies that you mentioned, have they been closed down?

Kurt: Yes, they do have cease and desist orders and arrest warrents

Alex: As you said from the beginning, you are open and honest and there is a paper trail of everything that you’re doing and that’s why when the FBI came in there were no arrest warrents and no cease and desists

Kurt: We told everybody on the public record what we were going to do and when we were going to do it – notice is everything in an admirality jurisdiction – we’ve been in that jurisdiction for a lot of years, when you tell somebody how you’re going to do it, when you’re going to do it and how it’s going to happen to them, what you’re relying on and then they remain silent and then they want to come back and complain later? Doesn’t work that was in the real world – the only way you can convict me is to have a which hunt and a corrupt little jury trial

Scott: one of the things that we discovered back in August of ’04 is the first word that we were being investigated by the FBI – and when we discovered that there was somebody poking their nose up under our tent, we gave them a call – and we called Joseph Fettison (sp?) down in South Carolina and said we understand that you’re investigating us – if you’ve got some questions we’re here to answer them – and he was shocked to hear from us – and he took our number and we said we would cooperate with you if you’re not just here to kiss some political butt – we gave him our number, our attorney’s phone number and funny thing, we never heard from him.

The guy from the Sacramento Bee came here, which I applaud him for doing that, Dale Kassler, he came here when all the media was invited and asked a question that I thought was importatant – “Most people that have their offices raided and money taken go underground, how come you guys haven’t?”

Kurt: and the judge called us a crook

Scott: the answer is because we’re not crooks and what we’re doing has law supporting it – we’re not on fantasy island here, we’re not an island unto ourselves – if you did the research, we’ll be providing the research to the population at large – this is very serious right now and we understand that so we don’t want to make too light of it, but we do know that there will be some level of victory for everybody

Alex: what are the next step that you are about to undertake now?

Kurt: We want to cooperate with any grand jury anywhere – we’ll bring all the evidence against the bankers, we’ll bring all the evidence against political hack Judge Alsup, we’ll bring evidence against this jury tamperer Wayne Brazil – I’m not going to take this crap – you guys on the grand juries, get out there and do your job – you are the power for the people – we’ll bring all the evidence – we’ve got nothing to hide – you have our vow that we’ll cooperate

We have the dog on a leash, we’re taking him where we want him to go

Scott: we’re actually taking them places they’ve never been

Alex: can you share any of that with us?

Scott: No

Alex: what do you think the steps are going to be? the ground that they [the judiciary] stands on is usually based on dishonesty and not based in law

Kurt: if we resist these cowards that are so afraid of the bankers that they are willing to throw away justice – if we resist them for awhile, some of the good people are going to show up and then maybe we’ll get some proper adjudication – but I’m not going to wait for that – all of our legal strategies and our company is designed to make the entire judiciary obsolete – we can do that through certain administrative processes and collecting the evidence and finally codifying it that if we end up in court the only descretion he has is to dismiss – that’s the only judge I trust right now until one shows up who is going to be honest and look at the contract in accordance with the law and not give the bankers any credit and slack and presumption – cause that’s what they’re giving them

I just had a case in New Jersey where the judge just threw 10 years of presumption into his ruling and I’m in front of him next week so I’m going to attack him on his presumption right out the gate – but these guys are baboons and I’m not going to trust them with my business – and we’re preparing and moving everyone through our collatoral estopple process and that will protect us against the judiciary

Scott: some good news – there was an appearance that I attended telephonically for some clients and I guess I did a good job because there was an order to vacate signed by the judge and the attorneys on the other side backed off - it was Chase bank case number 042009-CA-G Marion County Florida court – JP Morgan on their own motion to vacate the final judgement forclosure and cancel sale – they threw in the towel and backed out

We’re learning how to adapt into a corrupt system – you learn each time and force them to listen by the way you bring it in – but for the most part the goal is to keep everybody out of court, because these guys are all attached to the bankers in some fashion or another – and quite frankly its negligence on the part of our legislators and congress – these guys need to fix the system, they know what’s wrong with it and they’re letting the judiciary through their processed corruption, reverse legislate and protect a broken system – that’s just their game and until somebody embarrases them off the position – and that’s where people getting a little bit of political clout, and people like yourself allowing the word like this to get out to the point of embarrassment that’s when they’ll fix the system – the banks are lining their pockets on the lies of everybody else and they’re not taking the opportunity to see the problem and to fix it

Alex: of the 1300 people who have had the reconveyance, how many have been challenged to the point of stopping making payments to the lender and have title insurance etc. and are able to sell the property if they want to?

Kurt: the title insurance is the level of commercial extortion that we’re at right now, and the title companies being owned by most of the lenders are refusing to insure our titles because they don’t understand what we’ve done and they are presuming that they do understand and that its fraudulent and no good – there’s internal memo’s and alerts in trade publications about what terrible criminal we are, and ultimately its going to take us shutting down this FBI situation and taking on the title companies head-to-head on a couple of issues where its too expensive for them to continue to extort us in the commercial arena – and we’re getting to that – also we have one title company that does understand what we’re doing and is cooperating and that may open up some doors for us real soon - the current status is that we’re kind of at a stalemate with the reconveyance and the title companies fighting against it - there’s a remedy that if the stalemate ends there I can convert that into money – and if I can convert that into money it will be more than the value of your house – we have another couple hundred moves up our sleeve

Alex: is there any points that people should be concerned about if they are thinking about coming into the process? We’re going to be fighting the big boys but we have point of law on our side and we will win?

Kurt: the biggest fear is that they are going to yank us up and turn us into criminals and that would be from the clients point of view or ours. When I got 3 trillion dollars worth of fraud, the last thing I want is to go head-to-head with someone who can expose it, even in the criminal case – and they want to hang that over our heads like we’re gonna go somewhere on it – but if they brought a criminal case against me for bank fraud, mail fraud and wire fraud that would be the dumbest ass move that they could make because they can’t bring fraud charges against me without exposing the bank fraud that I can totally unravel – its kinda that nice catch 22 – heads I win and tails I win or heads I lose or tails I lose – I don’t know what they are gonna do with it - it’s a nice scary game and quite frankly I think it’s a game of plausible denyablility that the government is trying to throw themselves out there as “we did what we could or we didn’t understand” and just try and bluff everybody out – but I think we’ll survive it and the clients will end up ultimately with a victory – we have a tyrant who’s trying to protect a private special interest group and its against the American people – we can champion the cause and we can go at it – I’m not afraid of these guys

Every bully I met was a coward in real life – these guys just tried to bully us into an evidentiary hearing – but when I started throwing evidence at them, they didn’t want it – why is that? Because I’m not afraid to give them evidence all of a sudden they don’t want it? I send all my paperwork to the judge everyday hardcopy – we implemented this 2 weeks after the search warrant – we figure if you want to know our business, lets give it to you – they reject it now – Judge Earnst refuses to accept it

Alex: is there any other legal recourse that Dorean has against, I hesitate to say corrupt judges, but against judges who don’t follow the letter of the law?

Kurt: this is the problem – this is an all or nothing battle – we went before judge Alsup with an attorney and I think it was a decoy that God planted into our own because my attorney totally misrepresented us – he wanted to ride his own big horse into glory and he wrote his own brief and over our objection he said this is the way I can get your arguments in after I survive a 12-B-6 - we relied on him, he has 26 years litigation experience – he got his head handed to him, $10k sanction – he dismissed all cases saying if this is a crappy argument then we don’t want to participate in it – Judge Alsup, the political hack that he is, decides to undismiss our cases and put in an 8 page dicta order about what terrible guys we are and we’re not even supposed to be in the court – it was dismissed without prejudice which means we can bring it back in – and in order for him to issue that order we at least have to get due process which is notice, opportunity to be heard and he went and had this epiphany of dicta all by himself and that order becomes the new propaganda that spreads to all the bankers and its not even a final order, we’ve already got a motion to reconsider in his court – I don’t know what he’s gonna do with it because he never gave us due process – and how is he gonna enforce an order that he never gave due process for – if he doesn’t fix it and give us an opportunity to be heard then the court of appeals is going to kick his ass sooner or later and if not them then the Supreme Court because you cannot in our American system for the moment issue orders against people who have never been in your court – when I was out of his court he brought me back in all by himself without letting me know – and that to me is a political ass kisser and a political hack – and he’s gonna have to be honest and do his job right or its gonna come back and bite him in the ass – that order that he put out is a propaganda piece – he’s chastising a company that doesn’t exist because he took misrepresentation from our lawyer and internet sites and evidence interpreted through World Savings lawyer and then he took his own presumptions and made up a wonderful order that makes him look like a total ass – and then that spreads around and every little corporate bank lawyer who can’t figure out how to deal with us all of a sudden thinks that’s an important piece of evidence to throw into every transaction and we get copies of that damn order 50 times a day and its not even final – we filed a motion to reconsider and we haven’t heard from the court on that – he just put out a huge propaganda piece and now he has to reconsider and bring it back? They embarrassed themselves because they’re fools

Alex: except they’re the ones with big sticks – you by right and by law and by every positive thing there is, have it hands down – you’re putting your own bodies in front of the guns because you know what the truth is and you know what the facts are – the problem is are the other sides going to play fair? Will they be honest, straightforward and operate with integrity?

Kurt: Absolutely not. Otherwise Judge Alsup wouldn’t have entered into this arena as a political hack – he has no intention of being fair, honest or moral – the only thing I can do is trap him with his own bad behavior – there’s that story of Hamen in the book of Ester – Haymen was a high mucky-muck politician who didn’t really like a guy named Mortakai who the king was indebted to – he hated him so much he built a gallows that was 70 ft. high and he wanted to hang Mortakai from it – the problem was he was so corrupt he ended up hanging himself from that thing – and that’s the problem with these guys, they can’t see past the banker’s ass their kissing and because they don’t see that they don’t see the pitfalls that we’re laying for them because they’re so corrupt, and we’re catching them in our traps and that’s all we can do

Alex: of all the other companies, are there any that you know of that do not have cease and desist orders?

Kurt: I’m not aware of any and this is how our company started – we started like the consumer – somebody help us we got an idea, we are not experts and we want to talk to someone who knows what they’re talking about – there was a few companies at that time that had clients and we ended up hiring a guy we thought would be good – after we realized we already knew what he knew and more, then we tried to resolve the problem out of necessity of our own needs – we developed the legal process and we didn’t want to market anything – we had developed a service and wanted to go to a mortgage elimination companies that already had clients that they couldn’t deliver for and we wanted to serve them, one had 2700 clients and said let us just do your clients – they had all the money to pay us what we were willing to work for but they didn’t want to do it – they didn’t want to lose control and they didn’t want to let go of the lie that they were embracing, they were just like the bankers – then we went to the other guy and he wanted to enrich himself too much – we realized working with these guys was just like working with the bankers and that’s the only reason we started our customer service positions and our legal department and this whole company

As the consumer, we found out from a business perspective that the marketplace was void of any integrity and any reliable service – my dad taught me if you can fill a void you can make money – we’re not perfect businessmen or gentlemen, but we try to do the best we can to keep our word and do the things we say we did, and there is 175k documents that the FBI have that prove we do what we say we do – if we’re crooks I should be long gone, take all the money and run – I ain’t got time for this crap

Scott: they only took $178 bucks, if we were real scammers we would have millions and be long gone – 2.4 million was seized in Redwood trust account

Kurt: they stopped a wire from going off-shore in Mike Barnett’s case, Barnett and associates

Alex: when I first met you guys I saw the integrity and honesty and that’s why I liked you guys and that’s why I elected to work with you

Kurt: everything that happened here is a revelation of things I said a year and a half ago – I expected the government to be the meddler into the bankers business sooner or later – the bankers are like “you caught me being a thief, I’m gonna call the police” [laughter] – I’m not impressed with the bankers because if they gotta steal from you they’re wimps – they’ve put this elaborate system together because they can’t make anything on their own, they have to steal it from you – that means you got the power and when the people stand up and say we’re not going to take this any more, the bankers are going to have to change – that’s all it comes down to is bluff

Alex: who is the fight against, is it the federal reserve system, is it the federal government – who is the kingpin behind this fraud that is being perpetrated on people?

Kurt: I think, as the bible puts it as purgamy – a bad marriage between the government and the bankers to defraud the people of their assets – you gotta look at it from a logical point of view – the bankers sold a bill of goods to the government to lead us to this current bankruptcy we’re involved in, the federal reserve act – and that’s fine, right wrong or indifferent, it was sold – that horse has been beat many times by better men than us – so the federal reserve system had a new temptation that the old national banking system didn’t have and that is the right to convert notes into legal tender – the mortgage industry being very antiquated and very precise as to legal rights is a contract based on notes – it was only a matter of time before that temptation moved them into a place that they weren’t designed for – the have to operate what they call ultra-vires (sp?) outside of their normal contracts and charters in order to enter this arena – and that temptation to convert your promissory note into cash was too irresistible – when the credit card frenzy took off in the early 70’s and late 60’s that’s when the bankers started moving into the mortgage industry and then it was in the late 80’ and early 90’s that they moved away from even the basic semblance of a fair deal by creating this frenzy in the secondary mortgage market and when they exploded with this new securities market that’s when it went absolutely hog-wild.

Now bankers will completely misrepresent the true elements of ownership into the secondary market and that’s why I say the entire secondary market which is 3 trillion dollars for Fannie Mae’s portion – that entire thing is a fraud – it’s a conversion away from the people of their original assets – what’s funny is the mortgage contract is tops maybe 40 pages and it used to be about 8, but because of the bankers honesty there was legislation and lawsuit that created the other pages – everyone thinks the banks are so wonderful, but all their contracts are created by litigation and bad behavior – and so the 40 pages should still be 200-400 pages in full disclosure because when the banks convert your note into their own asset and then enter into the secondary securities market as the issuer of a new security, they know how to put out those kind of contracts because all the contracts are 200 to 400 pages and their called master pooling agreements, pooling agreements, master holding agreements, buy and sell agreements – all those things you can find on the SEC web pages on Edgar, you can find them on the FDIC – they know how to put those kind of reports out when its their own asset, but when they’re stealing it from you they got to hide that stuff so they can’t be honest - that lack of disclosure is what I’m pissed off about and what we’re attacking.

Alex: won’t you be bringing to light what the federal reserve is all about?

Kurt: I don’t know if that’s going to be the end result – the federal reserve system never had any assets or resources and certainly everything they create comes out of the promise of the people through their government in submitting bonds to get the currency – but we’ve entered into a promise based economy and its been our generation and our grandparents and great grand parents generation that have had to deal with this. I think its already exposed – I don’t know that what we’re doing is actually going to change the system and I don’t even know if that’s the right thing for our economy at the moment, but I think there’s a couple options for resolution – one is, the federal reserve is the central bank we got, lets at least use it for the people instead of a small group of families – go ahead and do the mortgages the way you always do them, just let us participate in the profits – that’s one choice, the other is at least full disclosure so at least people can “agree” to be ripped off – and then there are some other variables and hodge- podge things the government can do in the middle, but that’s not my job – that’s what we hire the congress for – these guys need to get off their butts and figure out how to fix it. But stealing from the people and then profiting 3 to 4 times over in the secondary market as thieves, that’s not acceptable… and if it is acceptable, then I want to be apologized to for going to prison for 5yrs 8months – I should’ve just become a banker and I would have been okay.

Alex: have any of your clients had to go to court with their reconveyance?

Kurt: we haven’t had any go to court on the reconveyance – we’ve had 60 or 70 litigations and sometimes the client needs to participate, for the most part we try to keep them out of it but that’s not always possible – JP Morgan case, we participated in that case and we got a victory – who knows why JP Morgan/Chase decided to tuck tail and run – they don’t want that truth to get out so they do it on their own motion – they vacated their own final judgement and they canceled their own forclosure sale and they did it without any explaination but it was after we filed our documents

I was in court last week, and the bank had no standing, no entitlement rights to sue, and we proved that, the judge is going to take it under consideration and get an order but its plain black and white – he doesn’t have any choice but to rule in our favor and he would lose on appeal in 15 minutes if he doesn’t do it – when the judge has no descretion, they’re actually pretty good – its only when I have to deal with their presumptive descretion that I get in any trouble – my goal as a legal tactic is not to give the judge any descretion and I’m safe [laughter]

It’s a big task to move 3000 people through a sausage mill and we’re doing it as fast as we can – we’ve hired a few more people to do it

Alex: one of my people said the EF Trans course was one of the best he’d ever been to

Scott: we agree, that’s why those guys are working with us

Kurt: we felt education would be a big help in protecting our clients from the bluff scenerios which will become more rampant now that the FBI is emboldened by the public propaganda mill that’s been going on – I cannot protect you from a bluff because it requires you to stand up – I can protect you from the on-rush of illegal assertions but I can’t protect you from a bluff, only you can do that

Alex: what do people learn about the banking system, what people can do, what our rights are?

Kurt: we talked to this reporter today, Todd Aldrich, and he represents what the average person is, which is dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to understanding our financial affairs – he was so presumptive that he couldn’t even listen to us, and he was irate because we picked on his preconceived notions – you’re not going to figure this out on your preconceived notions

You grew up with a parent who told you that when you go to the bank you borrow money – you grew up with a banker who told you that you borrowed money – the common sense point of view is bogus – you need to get past that and the only way to do that is through education – analyze what your rights are from the UCC – analyze what happened when you did the transaction – analyze what the bank did with your promissory note – analyze what happened after the transaction – when you’re knowledgeable and comprehensive on the subject there is no way you’re going to be bluffed because you realize that you’ve always had a full house and they’ve always had bad cards – that is the purpose of the three card monty or shell game - as long as I have you playing my game you’re never going to find the assets, but a smart guy knows the card is sitting on the other side of the table and just goes right to it

Alex: what can we all do to support, to let the courts and the press know that we know what’s going on and that we are demanding positive and honest reporting coming back to the general public?

Kurt: I think that when a person understands their own rights, that’s the beginning of the end for the thieves because its only the bluff that accomplishes it most of all – otherwise its going to take a show of force and then the people are going to say what’s the force about? And that’s the danger for the government and they’re not going to do a show of force over mortgages – once you’re informed that’s the beginning of you standing up, once you stand up you’ll be able to ask some simple questions – like you go down to your bank and say “I’d like to see my promissory note” and the banker can’t deliver it? And then “do you mind if I see your accounting ledger? I just want to see how the transaction looked on paper”

Alex: would they allow people to do this?

Kurt: you’re party to the contract, why are you not entitled to the evidence of how the transaction went? And they’re a fiduciary and they have a responsibility – it only takes a couple questions to find out that somebody is not being honest – they’ll tell you the truth by the way they lie to you

Alex: have any of the clients been evicted?

Kurt: we’ve had probably a half a dozen evictions in our client base – being fair, two of them I feel really bad about because of our participation in it – the others there was nothing I could do except join them in the fight late and give them an opportunity to come back and win – all six of them still have remedies that we are working on and ultimately I think we will win, but it was part of our naievity in the beginning that we thought the banks would respect what we’ve done and the government would respect what we’ve done since it was all based in law, and so people stopped making their payments and some people just couldn’t afford payments and that’s not our policy – its our policy that you continue to make administrative overpayments until we can take you to collatoral estopple

With those situations we had a few casualties and we’re addressing that and doing the very best we can to rectify it – in all those cases there is a reconveyance on the property and if it has any legal merit, which we believe it does, anything that happens past that point, once we prove it ultimately will become reversible through a quiet title action or reversible through a writ of ejectment and we’ll prove that once we prove our case – we can drag everybody over the finish line because we did our job in the public record and they don’t change or delete the public record – the evidence is there and all we have to do is prove that its valid and its an automatic non-descretionary win – that’s when we go into court and the judge has no descretion but to grant it – and if you want you’re property back you’ll get it, if you don’t want you’re property back you’ll get 2-3-4x’s your money

In Pacific Mutual vs. Cleopatra Halsup is a US Supreme Court case that deals with conversion – compensatory damages are 4x’s and punative damages are 200x’s – it doesn’t pay to be a thief

Scott: process hasn’t changed much, we added a back end collator estopple that ties a nice bow around the administrative process – we learned in the Alsup debacle that the courts weren’t going to be honorable, they didn’t want to hear from guys like us and truth didn’t matter and it was really more of a political agenda – we put people into a family estate trust and we’re the trustees and that gives us a fiduciary position on the property – we get a chosen action assignment and we get a revocation of power of attorney which goes to the bank in our presentment – we have a treatment of the note by a CPA – the banks have a certain time to respond [10 days] – when the banks default into our remedy, we retitle as agents for them – after we reconvey the property the clients continue payments – the way the payments stop is we put in a notice of fault and then notorial protest and collect a foreign judgement which is simply an officer of the state issuing a certificate of protest which is evidence of default by another party that has standing in that jurisdiction – if we have to go to court the notary can actually go on our behalf because he has an afadavit from us and he can speak to the facts since he actually participated in the process – at that point when we collect the collatoral estopple the client can stop making payments and we can look to go for the re-finance – if they need to get their credit cleaned up they should be doing that in the process and there’s a place they can go to get their credit scrubbed as well

Alex: is there any clients who have gone through it ultimately? Because I know some people who have gone through the process with Dorean, cleared everything and then sold their house – no problems, no recourse, no nothing

Scott: yeah – the people that have sold their houses, I haven’t received a single bit of papaerwork on those houses – we’ve been talking about the people who went out and refinanced, we have about a half a dozen of those – but we really haven’t talked about the people that have sold their homes and moved on – there’s at least a dozen, there may be more, I’m not keeping up on that – but that’s another way to get paid

We don’t take much on the front end – we get paid when we proform

Kurt: if you’re a banker, I’d be afraid of the Dorean Group [laughter] – this is really a great time to be participating – the meeting in Vegas was a humbling experience for me – an army of people who really get it – that are not gonna be bullied – I’m glad you brought up EF Trans – Dan Bennum (sp?) Troy and Terry – those guys have been a real asset and blessing to us – Dan comes to us with a great base in the UCC and banking – even if you’re a fence sitter, I still recommend that you go through it – go get educated – education is freedom – it helps you make your decisions in an educated manner – you’re not surprised by the offensive from the other side

If clients have enough courage and education, they don’t need us – they can handle their own affairs – there’s new tactics we’re bringing out that people can impliment and in probably two weeks they can have the banks out of the way

Alex: I’ve had Dan on the show, and I’ve never met a man with more information at their fingertips

Kurt: yeah, he’s scary that way – he’s a little intimidating to be around

Alex: we’re becoming a magnet now because we’re championing the cause, drawing some brilliant minds to the table – we don’t have all the answers and we’re just as excited to learn them as everybody else – we’re not two guys in a garage, I think that’s the biggest mistake the government makes – they presume we had criminal intent and we just set this up for monetary gain – that misperception is the dumbest mistake they can make because they don’t understand what we’re coming with – and we also have all that fiduciary backround and we also asked to have that fiduciary relationship with the client which is important because it is paramount to the banking transaction that we’re addressing – its repleat in our system – the government acts as our fiduciary – United States vs. Mitchell – the government has a long standing trust obligation – a fiduciary relationship normally exists with respect to such monies or properties unless congress has provided otherwise – everything is a trust relationship

We had the FBI take $178 grand of our money – that’s a trust relationship – so we ask our fiduciary to pay our bills and they dishonor us – we’re gonna be suing Gordon C. McDonald the FBI agent for breach of fiduciary duty because he won’t pay our bills – we set you guys up as clients because there is power in the fiduciary relationship, it permeates our government, the banking system – we’re taking one of the most powerful parts of our legal system and applying it to the transaction

Alex: all they had was search warrant that wasn’t even legal, how can they seize the money in your account and have no responsibility for it?

Kurt: that’s a bluff too – they’re the government, sure they can take the money – but they’re government and my fiduciary - they have two duties – he has to work on my behalf and he can’t enrich himself – the protection that I have is if you’re gonna take my money you have to have a criminal conviction or you have to give me just compensation and since you have neither one of those things, you’re my fiduciary – if I walk away and abandon my trust which most people do then its your fault, you got bluffed – we didn’t do that – we wrote cite drafts against our assets and they dishonored them now we can sue them for breach of fiduciary duty and then they will want to let go of that money very quickly – everybody should handle their affairs that way

Scott: we started getting those overdraft charges and isufficient funds charges down at the bank and so we wrote the bank a cite draft [laughter] and the bank couldn’t figure out what to do with it either – I told them what to do with it, and our fiduciary isn’t doing his job – now we have two fiduciaries not acting right

Kurt: this is a real problem for Bank of America – I hope nobody big in that company is listening because they’re gonna be scared when I tell them what’s going on – Bank of America is my fiduciary and they had my money - they appointed a successor trustee called Gordon C. McDonald FBI agent – when I paid my overdraft protection drawn on a cite draft from my successor trustee, now if it gets dishonored then my prior trustee becomes liable because he handed my money to an incompetent – there’s damage there – so if the fiduciary dishonors my overdraft protection payments to Bank of America, then B of A becomes liable for 4x’s for the conversion of all the money that was taken – if it gets paid they lose, if it doesn’t get paid they lose

An insurance investigator in Utah is saying the bond isn’t worth the paper its printed on and the courts are going to arrest me and he’s full of crap – we invited him down and offered our memorandums of law, whatever we can do to help you and he said, “we don’t want law, we want questions answered” and I’m wondering what kind of questions you have that law won’t answer – they’re making up stories – they’re commiting to a lie

Scott: they are going to hope we don’t remember them – we’re taking names, we’re collecting evidence – we’re going to get to you, trust me – I dream good dreams

Kurt: we’re going to get to their assets

Alex: I think we, the American public is going to win

Kurt: I think we have a fighting chance this time – people are listening – the Tom Schaff books – the bluff isn’t going to work for much longer – there’s a documentary by Open Door documentaries – its just an expose on the subject matter – people’s interest is peaking

Scott: its my understanding that a couple of senators want to talk to us at some point –

Alex: if someone is ready to refinance, how long until collatoral estopple is in place?

Scott: we’re moving as much as 30 to 50 clients a day through the process – its an additional 45 days to move them to collatoral estopple

Alex: Stacy emails and says “we received an actual copy of our promissory note with the stamp on it for the first time in 2005 - we’ve refinanced 7x’s in the last 15 years and never have we received a stamped copy before – of course it was a stamped copy, but the revelation of what the Dorean Group and G. Edward Griffen have told us is absolutely true – our house is in the process since 1/21/05 – we got the first set of documents and we are waiting for our quit claim deed – we look forward to completing the process and owning our home free and clear

Kurt: you can do it wrong seven times but the one time you do it right makes all the difference – we don’t even really want this job to tell you the truth – but this gnaws on me

Scott: the collatoral estopple has worked on a couple of occasions

Kurt: we will be putting out a monthly newsletter from us – clients, listen to raidio shows like this – look for us on TV – go to the training – get the truth any way you can – we’re not the only source – we’ll do our best to be consistently speaking because there is a lot of crap – the next announcement you’ll probably hear from us is “FBI drops case against Dorean…”

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habakkuk said...

Good job mogel:)

KYHOOYA said...

tcob247 said...
You know what is real funny

I make a 10 word or less post and Kafoolya spends an hour typing his little fingers away responding

I love it

Keep it up there little buddy

7:32 PM

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Well ther are some people that you find in the world today that are so thick head and stupid, they need to have every little thing laid out for them to be able to understand it.

Then there are people such as youself that know matter how much you try to show them how things work or the truth in it they just can get past their their own stupidity.

These people are the one that the Gov't and bank's and any other group or agency just embrace and feed so that they will stay in that state of child like beleif and that way they can keep steeling or using them.
You are a person so completly viod of all personal thought that anything that come out of you has or is from someone else who just pulls a string and they get the enjoyment of watching you dance anyway they want.

How it must feel to be such a lemming in your day to day walk through life.

Your words only go to show who and what your are and when spoken out as loud as you do leave you at a lose to hear them yourself.

For example:
Your own words that discribe who you think it is to be the owner of a company or the boss. These only give away the fact that you have know working knowledge of what it takes to have that title. You are so blinded by your lust and more so lasy ass wants of something that just dos'nt exsist. Only in the minds of someone that look out and only see or can only understand the limited view the get of what it take to reach that and keep it running .As the picture you paint of the boss who you think because he has come in to work at 10:am and leaves at 2:pm has you to think he has the easy job and comes and go without anything to do but drink coffee and talk shop in till he gets tired and leaves to some other restfull arena. When in fact anyone who has work their way up to that title will tell you that being the owner/boss is more work then three of the worker such as your self and that would be more likly an under est. in your case judging by the things I have heard from you here.

Then there is this crap you hand off ass something of truth when it is only your OP. Get a grip man and fuck off your so syupid that it make me sad to think there in a whole country of persons just like you that have nothing but time to keep the flood gates spilling over with all the get feed so anyone like Kurt or Scott and others that have the mind to seee through the all of the wrongs that are steeling from them have to become fish just to make some forward movment to right it.

I see you posted know reply but that as you always do. That being the stupid one liners that have know real answer only sidestepping distraction in them.

Why is that Tin Cup? How come you can't or won't just answer or reply to the topic?
Why is it that when you raise the issiue and someone replies you have only comments that are nothing to do with the debate? This being even the debates you start.

You have pretty much said all that is needed after reading you crap for all this time it is very dlaer you are nothing more that a stupid person that is unable to understand anything of any real truth, If your being paid (and I don't think you are ) them that makes you even more stupid then most for who you act here is nothing less than complet and utter bullshit you hav'nt post one dam thing the whloe time you have been here that one would say has some kind of substance it has all been crap like your responce to my last post where instead of maybe looking at the fact that you have know understanding of being a boss of a company and saying so or giving some kind fact that showw you to be someone with some exp. in the area, you respond with
"It's funny I write 10 words and khoffy types his finger off in reply" (not word for word if needed see up top) just wanted to put that in because you would more than likly reply with the fact that it was'nt a direct quote and never respond to the real question that have been put to you.

Your hole time here is that of some who dose nothing more than answer a question with a question or some other form of diverion. The only times I have seen anything close to you being forthright in some debate it has turned out that the what you were backing it up with was nothing true and just your made up dream lik ethinking as in being the boss is and yet you still posted them with knowing hey could be found a lie , now hoow dumb do you have to be to do that by your own hand to give something that shows you to be a lier.
know need to answer that I think it stands on its own without rebute.

You laugh it up funny man your nothing more than the product of the over feed lies that has watched one to many reality show and thinks that now all that is told him on that box is real and everything else is not.


So let's see what you come back for this, mt bet is nothing of anything as per your normal and will just about rap up the Tin CUp disrupter that you are and the waste of time you are I think has been already proven.

The floor is your's ! Got anything real that is on topic to say or are you as I have said?

KYHOOYA said...

GR82BMOI said...
Kafoolya: The depth of your illiteracy is truly and utterly astonishing. Wow.

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And this coing from someone who could'nt figure out what SOP ment by their post on Don Imus.

OK sure whatever! I value your OP soooo much oh please stop with the big words your making me feel bad! Yep you have so much power over me I don't know what I'lll ever do if you don't like what I say.

How about this?

Fuck off your nothing more than another waste of space sucking up all the good air. You would more than likly hurt yourself if you ever did have a thought of your own ar could figure out that your getting screwed by the veryone you protect.

They say after so much time that a captive starts to think his capture to be someone who is there to help and protect him and will defend them as such.

The lemming are march two by two
The lemings are marching 2 by 2 Oh won't you join them and then there will be the lemming s come marching 3 by 3 the lemmings ....


se if you can count on that one pal!


what abbunch of do nothing ass wipes all you neysayers are what have you done hat you can say is worth shit to better the state of this country or fight off that witch would take from some hard working poeple.

as the foreclosure s line em up 200 homes all in a row in Ohio fall to Chase and know signs of slowing as the banks sweep the country gathering up the properties and getting them ready for round 23 of the you don't really own shit game and con of the stupified americans who don't even know what is the real story when it comes to the very thing they hold so dear and feed their money to the banks save but the banks have know problem taking it intill there is know mor then on wardd .

KYHOOYA said...

You might want to think about this before you start running that mouth on haw good the banks are or how the Gov't is there tohelp you and if they could they would have laws that were working for you better butit's just a very complicated issuie to deal with and have it so it's fair for all ..
Ya right I don't think s

I don't by it haw is it that the Gov't and all that we have in it with it special committes on banking and houseing and all the rest of the money suching worthless lawmakers and such
how is it they can't see what he real deal is when the brokers and bakers are out here for at a min. the last 5 years just raping and piliaging the poeple with one after another bad loan or how the way that it is structored in th elawless set up now that these two are let to have back room buddy buddy coe and handshacks that are nothing more usfull then the needed tools to keep their customers from seeing they are riping them off?

How is it a student of 22 in chiico state UC who parties his ass offand when in rome who at one of the top party schools in the country and should be that last place you would find someone that hasd more real truth about the banking and money system of this country rthen most twice his age ?
how is that ?
I will say more should go to that UC if that is the product as I ran into this kid working at a storage yard for shipping and we happened upon this toipc as I try and do as offen as I can to get the idea out and see how many are in the blind about it. I found in the short time this guy to be of one tha had a real goo dgrip on the goings on of just how this country was and just ho the gov't and the fed res was. gave some hope tha maybe we might just have a chance to over come the TInCUPs of the country and take bacck that witch is ours . now with that sauid
Think about this


you county tax bill ha tow partto it on ethatsaid land value and then an amount to the right then there is a second one thatr reads improvments and the sanm ther is an amount to the right and this along with the other assesment mak upo you tax where I live anyway

given any thought to why the need for the two different break downs ?

I tell you this well you think it's not because of one being taxed at a different rate if your of that mind in thinking . If you think me wrong about that break out that calc. do the math it will be the same 1% rate on both and then the other 1/2% will be made up in the different levies and bonds and asse. as it all comes down to 1-1/2 % total so why the 2 sep. on th bill for lane and prop.?

think about that

KYHOOYA said...

Think again lemmings about this

Why would there be a need to have the different araes on you tax bill and thn think about how you pay tax and how the bank if so pron to foreclose will not be able to side step or pass offfthe tax if not paid by you on as so much other debt is they will pay that amout to the county no matter what if tey want that lein off if the taxes were'nt paid by you before hane and why wouldthey if you were not paying you mortgage right.

so e put the land as being owned by the state or county and haveing first place rights
then the improvments on that land have the next .

You see the county don't care if you don't lik ethe rule or something about how they want you to act in regard to you property if you want pick that house up and move it you will still pay the tax for the land but they wont tell you what to dio with that house anymore.

THE BIG PICTURE MADE TO LOOK SMALL SO YOU DON'T SEE THE REAL DEAL AND THEN MAYBE NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THE OWNERSHIP IN SUCH THAT WA.

The land is somehing you RENT from the county or state and you will always do so if not they will after time take it from you and if you would like to leave the house on it when they do they will take it to but here is a good one lets say it gets to that point one day and they come to take you land for not poaying your taxes and when the show up they findthe land but know house on it what do you think they might say ?

Oh sure they might bitch but under the law thety can't say a dam thing if you moved it ( that not being easy too do and not without permits in most cases god luck not haveing them know it happened )

but that show's one thing YOU DON"T OWN THE LAND YOU RENT IT.
NOW LETS LOOK AT THE EVER INCRECING MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME
A home in todays market is given a time for witch it is see as have good use full life around 100 years in most cases as that goes by it lessens the value on your home age and all. now if you wereto look at that home and how much money it can make you as a banke fro the start of it and as it gets paid for till the 100 years has past and lets say with litle or no rhab to it

When the loan for one is paid the is very little that the bank make anymore from what theyy see only as anumber some where on a chart as with all

let say your 768 you have paid your mortgage off and now the only thing left to pay is that tax bill every years with out fail.
if I were the bank I would be of the thinking that I neded to get that place back to a level of 8-10% of money comeing to me in % interst or it is as we say in businesss a lost leader and so I would have to spend soem kind of effort to get that back up a few ways to do this are

1 i could market you so heavy that yopu could get some money to get all of those things you ned and don't need but want because the guy down the street has soem. till you give in and get a new mortgage and start bring in that interest again or then there is
2. Say the house is not worth have ing what s the best way to have in give me the most moiney ?

riht to have a new home or at best get someone new in that old home that is paying me at the today market reat instead of nothing at all or so small amout fron a EQ loan of 100K

lets see is there any moyive to do thing that are not uin your best interest that get ma as the bank most of your money in the formof interest there by keeping you paying whay equils RENT for that home on the land

so add them up folk and see what it cost you to pay rent and also what a deal you pay the tax and all the up keep for it as well with what being the end to it ever

younever do come to and end well when you die but most think they are passing on this great gift they paid of the hous ewith years of hard work and now onvce gone they were able to help and give it to the child but wait is this something that tehy own or is it still just some thing they rented end now have kind past like soem one in NYNY would a apt that has a great rent comtrol.


sure the facts are there you go look for your self if that is something you can stuill dio without some one telling you how it is and not telling you the real story

you pay taxes for things you use I have knoe problem with that street light spolice all cost money but let bse real about the homw and what it has become and whatthis country intended it to be .
The bank to it over slowly you think I think they got it done in record time from 1933 till today they have move very swift and out of thing they set up look they made the fed res to fix a problem one of witch is only become different but the sam core remains

WE as A PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ARE SO STUPID AND MANG OUR MONEY LIKE A BUNCH KIDS AT A CANDY STROE THAT WE PUT ARE SELFS IN THESE PLCES OF TROUBLE AND BRING THE COUNTRY TO THE BRINK OF COLLAPES AS IS THE CASE COMINGUP REAL SOON YOU JUST SIT THERE AND WATCH THAT REALITY T.V. AND WAIT SOON YOU REAL WORLD WILL BE AT THE DOOR AND YOUCAN TEN SAY BOT THAT WAS FAST I HAD KNOEW IDEA ALAYS THOUGHT I WOULD BE LONG GONE BEFORE ANYTHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED JUST WAIT .;
EVERYONE SITS THERE SO DUMBED UP THAT THEY THINK THAT EVEN WHEN THERE IS SIGNS THAT POINT TO SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT US A LOT THAT IT WON'T BE THEM THAT FEEL IT OR THAT THE GOV'T WON'T LET IT GET THAT BAD


They won't WHAT! come on people these are the same one who let banking do what ever they want who havce put specila interst before the basuce of what made thios country waht it is these are the same who run around and the world making freinds everywhere they go we have the same bunch of people running this countryas we do sitting right here.

So if that don't scare you I don't know what will

what can be done about it you might ask ?

well let me say this

I DON'T KNOW ! HOW STHAT NOW ARE YOU HAPPY I SAID THAT MOST ARE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THAT TO BUT I DO KNOW THIS

IF YOU SIT ON YOUR ASS AND MAKE KNOW EFFOERT WHAT SO EVER TO TRY AND LEARN AND DO SOMETHING IT WILL FOR SURE NEVER CHANGE

IF YOU SIT THERE AND WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT BEING THE NEXT GUY THAT THEY GET MADE AT FOR STANDING UP ANDF THEN CAUSE YOU TRUOBLE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TIOME TO DEAL WITH NOW IT WILL NEVER CHANGE IF YOU LET THE ONES WHO ARETTAKING BECAUSE THEY KNOWENOUGHH THAT THEIR GOING TO GET THEIR S WELL THEY CAN AND THE HELL WITH THREST OF YOU GO ON DO THIS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF EFFORT TO STOP IT IT WILL FOR SURE BE HELL AND IF YOU THINK THAT YOUR SAFE FROM THE COUNTRY FALLING INTO WHAT COULD BE THE WORST THING OF MONEY LACK TROUBLE EVER SEN YOU BETTER WAKE UP AND DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT CAN AND IS ON ITS WAY WEATHER YOU WANT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES AND WISH YOU ASS BACK TO KANSAS OR NOT.

BY THE WAY KANSAS IS GIVING AWAY LAND JUST TO GET PEOPLE TIO MOVE THERE AND STAY AND STRT SOMETHING FOR THE LARGE EXIT OF THE YOUNG FROM THERE IS LEVEING IT TO GO WHO KNOWS THE NEXT HOST TOWN OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DON'T THINK CAN HAPPEN .

i DON'T SEE THE GOV'T STEPPING UP TO SAVE THEM THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY CANFOR THEM SELFS THE GIOV'T DON'T GIVE A SHIT JUST LIKE YOU HAVCE'NT HEARD DICK ABOUT THE REBUILD OF NEW ORLEANS AND HOW THATASSHOLE UP IN THE WHITEHOSE IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BAD TAST IT HAS FRO HIM THEN MAKING IT RIGHT AND THE OTHER THING KNOW ONE OIOIS TALKING ABOUT AND THAT BEING HOW WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT NEED WHEN IT HAPPENED WE HAD TO CAKK IN PRIVET MAN POWER TO POLICE IT AND ASK FOR HELP FRIOM WORLD SUPPIES TO BRINGIN EVEN WATER TRUCK AND FOOD NOW THAT IS THE FACTS AND THERE THERE TO SEE NO SUGER COATOING THEY ARE STILL IN A MESS AND THERE WAS ABIG PROBLEM BEING ABLE TO HELP ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THIS HAPPEN FOR MANY THIONG TROOPSPREED TO THIN NO MONEY LACK OF LEADER SHIP AND CARE TODO SO.

ALL SPELL OUT A COUNTRY THAT HAS NO MONEY AND IS UNDER THE PREPERD LINE TO WITHSTAND ANYTHING OF A GREAT HIT

ALL WITH THE NEW REPORT THAT THE G WARMING TREN DUE TO GREEN HOUSE GAS AND EM IS MOVEING FASTER THAN THEY MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT AND THE NEXT 20 TEAR i SAID 20 YEAR NOT 20 000 OR 200 20 THEY HAVE COME BACK WITH THEDATA THAT SAID IF MAJOR CHANGE IS MADE THE IS SYILL THE MELTING THAT WILL COME WITH ONLY 2 dEG INCEASE AND THAT WILL EFFECT THE WATER SUPPLY IN A NEG AND IN LACKING NO INCREASING AS SOME MIGHT THINK MELT MORE WATER MNOPE TRY
WHT USE TO BE 12 DAYS OF OVER 100DEG IN LA WILL NOW BE BY 2020 OVER 100 DAYS AT THE SAME WHATTHAT WILL DO IS PLENTY BUT HEYT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR ALL OF YOU LARD ASSES WHO LIKE TO POST AS SOME ONE OF ANYTHING WORTH MORE THEN SOIULNGREEN SHOULD BE TAKING NPOOTES FOR .

L8R

KYHOOYA said...

AND WITH THAT SAID UNLESS I SEE THAT THE ONE LIKE TIN COPPY HAVE THING TO SAY THAT IS REAL AND SUCH I WILL ONLY HAVE ONE WAY TO TAKE IT AND THAT IS THEY HAVE KNOW INTENTION OF EVER GIVING SOME REAL THOUGHT TO THE THINGS THAT ARE OFFERD UP HERE AS REAL DEBATEABLE TOPICS AND THAT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE A WASTE OF SPACE AND TIME BEING ONES OF THE NATURE THAT ARE SUCKING THE LIFE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND OR DO NOT HAVETHE BRAINS IN WITCH TO DO SO .

SO KEEP UP WITH THE BULLLSHIT AND I CAN ONLY HOPE YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW FROM IT AS YOUR BEST REWARD YOU HAVE GIVEN NOTHING TO BETTER MANKIND FROM WHAT I SEE HERE AND OFFER NOTHING IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF YOUR LIFE WOULD'NT BE A BIG LEAP TO THINK BECAUSE OF IT.

HOW ABOUT THIS i DON'T THINK THAT tIN cOP COULD POST ONE THING FROM ALL OF THE POST YOU HAVE PUT HERE IN THE TWO PAST TWO YEAR THAT WOULD SHOW ONE THING THTA WAS IN LINE WITH ANY OFFER OF IDEA OR HELP OR DIRECTION TO GET SUCH EVEN GO AS FARAS TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE POSTED NOTING BUT THE SAME LINES JUST WRITEN IN DIFFERENT WAYS ALL SAYING THE SAME USLESS NOTHING ALL WITHOUT ANYTHING IN THEM TO SHOW ONE THING OF A PERSON THAT HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN IN WITCH TO THINK THINGS THROUGH .

jUST ONE POST ONE THAT SHOW I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT I DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE.


YOUR A WASTE OF AIR TO SAY THE VERY LEAST. AND ABOUT THE BEST THING I COULD SAY ABOUT A PERSON LIKE YOU.

EVERTIME ONE SHOWS YOU TO BE WRONG OR FIND SOMETHING YOU SAY NOT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE TRUTH OR JUST THINKING OF ANYTHING REAL HEART ALL YOU EVER DO IS POST BS OR SOME THING IN RESPONCE TAH HAS NOTHING WHAT SO EVER TODO WITH WHAT SOME ONE JUST ASKED YOU.

NOW COME ON DON'T DISAPOINT AND POST BACK ONE OF THOSE BIGGIES YOUR SO GOOD AT LIKE:

BOY I NED TO SPEIL BETRE OR LOKK HOOOOOW LOOOONG THAT POST WAS OR THE MANY FROM THAT LIST IN FRONT OF YOU THAT TELLS YOU HOW TO DO IT. YOU KNOW HOW TO NEVER INGAUGE THE REAL TOPIC JUST KEEP PEOPLE BUSY WITH BULLSHIT.

sOUNDS JUST LIKE THAT GOOD OLD BANKERS MANOFESTO THAT READ FOR THEM TO SEND THERE BEST MEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REP AND THE DEM KEEP THEIR MINDS ON SOMETHING THAT DON'T WORRY THE BANK SO THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO SEE THE REAL DEAL OF GOINS ON THE ANKS WERE NA DARE DOING DON'T IT.

JUST KEEP FEEDING THE FIRE BUT DON'T LET IT GET OUT OF HAND RIGHT tIN cOpppY?

ALL SO SIMPLE OF A THING TO DO HEN YOU HAVE THE MIND TO YOU KNOW KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE REAL GOAL SO THAT THEY NEVER GET TO THE END AND GIVE UP OUT OF THE MANY THING THAT TIRE THEM LIKE YOU.

TWO YEARS AND NOT ONE THING THAT CAN BE SEEN AS A REAL DEBATE BETWEEN ANYONE JUST BULLSHIT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM FORMING INTO A GROUP OF SIZE THAT MIGHT GET BACK TO THEWORK THAT WAS STARTED IN THIS NOPW THEY WOULD'NT DO SOMETHING LIK ETHAT NOW WOULD THEY ?

YA RIGHT SURE THEY WOULN'NT THAT MIGHT BE TO EASY TO DO FOR THEM

wHY WAS IT AGAIN THAT THE FEDS WENT AFTER dOREAN AND MADE SUCH A BUNCH OF UN LAWFUL THING TAKE PLACE TO DO IT COULD THAT BE THAT THEY WERE GETTING SO BIG THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE A HIT ON THE BANKS THATTHEY WERE GOING FEEL OR WHY WOULD THEY LOCK THESE GUYS UP LIK ETHEY HAVE IN A WAY AS TO BE SO OFF THE WALLL IN HOW THE RIGHT S OF ANYONE IN THE SAME WOULD BE SCREEMING ABOUT IT NO BAIL TWO YEARS ADDING DEFENDENT TO FED CASES THAT WER ALREADY IN TO THE PROCESS MORE THAN A YEAR AND SAY THAT IT STOPS THE CLOCK OF THEIR RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL AND ALL THE REST . WHAT KINDA BULSHIT IS THAT AND ALL OF THE REST OF T .. NOW SOME IONE TO SAY THAT THE GUY WERE THE CAUSE OF THE DELAY GO ON THATS IS SO MUCH THE BULLSHIT TO IN FACT IT IS ON THE RECORD FROM THE DEAR JUDGE ALSUP AS STSTING THAT HE WAS STOPPING THE CLOCK TO WAIT FOR THE XTRA OF ONE FROM PANNAMA AND THAT WAS IT NO OTHER RESONE SO TELL ME KNOW ONE EVER HAS COME BACK WITH AN ASWER FOR THAT QUESTION ON THE FACT OF ADDING THE EXRTA PERSONS AND WAIVING THE RIGHT OF THE TWO IN JAIL OVER A YEARS TO BE ADDED TO THIS CASE I KNOW OF NOTHING LIK ETHA AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE TFOR THE RECORD.

ADDING A DEF. TO A FED. CASE THAT WAS ALREADY OVER A YEAR IN THE TIME AND WHO WAS NOT ON THE CHARGES FROM THE START. NEVER AND ALL WELL THE DEF ORG. HAVE NEVER WAIVED TIME TO THEIR RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL.

THE WORD SAY IT ALL IF IT WAS NOT A BIG RIGHT TO HAVE THE TRIAL IN A SPEEDY DUE PROCESS TIME THEN WHY HAVE THE DAM LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE AND IN FACT IT IS ONE THAT WHEN GIVEN UP IS LIOOKED AT BY THE COURTS AS ONE THAT IS WORTH SOME GIVEN CONCIDERATION BACK TO THE DEF, FOR SO DOING SO TELL ME HOW ALL OF THAT IS ON THE UP AND UP AND SHOW SOME LAW BACKING IT NAND FACTS ANY ONE.

HOW ABOUT THAT MOVING kURT AL AROUND AND BACK NOW IS THERE SOME BIG CHANGE THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE THAT WE DID NOT HEAR THAT HAS MADE IT SO THAT kURT CAN NOW BE HOUSED IN THE CAMP INSTEAD OF COUNTRY JAIL ON A FED CHARG PR HAVE THEY JUST TAKLEN THAT TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY MOVE ALL OF ANY COPY MACH. OUT OF THEREE BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A SCAR THAT KURT MIGHT DO SOMETHING LIKE TRY TO USE IT TO MAKE SOME KINDA SHOWING OF THE LIMITED CHOOSES HE HAS AND LET PERSONS KNOW HE IS NOT OF THE MIND TO HAVE SOEM THING WHEN HIS RIGHTS ARE AT STAKE TAKEN LIGHTLY SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OF SOMEONE AND HIS AFAIRRS BY SRTOPPING HIS MAIL AND INFO SO THAT HE CAN NOT MOUNT A DEFENCE FOR HIOM SELF WITH ANY EASE THEIF IT WERE ME I WOULD HAVE SENTTHE SAME DAM PAPER SAYING THAT PERSON WAS NOW TAKING CHARGE OF ALL MY LEGAL AFAIRS AS WEEL BY HIS OWN DOING . WHY NOT

tHE SIGHT DRAFT WHEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT IS NOTHING MORETHAN ATOOL TO GI WAY TO SHOW THE COURTS FOR THEIR WRONG DOING AND WHAT WAS THE COURTS RESPONCE TO YHIS LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER THAT THEY IF IT WAS WORTHLESS JUST HAVE TROWN AWAY INSTEAD THEY MOVE kURT TO A FUCKED UP PART OF JAIL AND SPLIT THE TWO SO AS TO MAKE IT EVEN HARDER FOR THEM TO CARRY OMN WITH THEIR DEFENCE.

hOW MUCH DOSE ONE PERSON NEED TO SEE THAT THE SYSTEM IS TRYING EVERYTHING THEY ALWAYS DO BUT DON'T HAVE THE LIGHT OF AS MANY PEOPLE WATCHING THEN WHEN THEY DO IT SO THEY HAVE HAD TO TRY AND BE EVEN MORE TRICKY

ALL IN ALL I CAN'T SEE HOW THEY YHIMNK THAT THIS IS ALL GOING UN SEEN BECAUSE IT IS NOT AND THE LAWS THAT THEY ARE TWISTING TO DO THIS ARE NOT THE TIGHT SO MOST OF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COURTS AND HVE NO MORE IDEA OTHER THEN YOU KNOW YOU WILL GET IN TRUOBLE IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THAT JURY SUMMONS BUT NEVER KNOW WHAT TAKES PLACE IN THOSE OTHER ROOMS WELL IT ANT ALL TH RIGHTOUS THAT FORSURE AND THERE IS A LOT OF LAWS THAT ARE MADE TO BE TWISTED BY JUDGES TO LET THEM GET THE OUT COME THEY WANT. IT IS NOT LIKE THE MOVIES BUT DAM CLOSE IN SOME CASES.

THER IS PLENTY TO SHOW THE FEDS ARE STALLING TO GET SMOE OF THE LAGER NUMBERS THAT WERE AT THE START OF THIS TO GO DOWN AND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE FOR NOTHING MORE THAN TO HELP WITHJ THA AS i SAID BEFORE IT'S NOT NEW WHAT THEIR DIOING IT MAY HAVE SOME NEW TOLS TO DOING IT BUT AT THE CORE IT THE SAME

FOR LOONG TIME THEY HAVE DONE THIS AS NEEDED .

yOU DON'T THINK IM RIGHT THN SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS MAIN PAGE AND TELL ME WHAT THAT LITTLE NUMBER ON THE COUNTER IS FOR HOW MANY HIOTS THIS SIYE HAS HAD AND THEN TELL ME THAT THE DOREAN GROUP WASTENT ROLL ACROSS THIS COUNRTY ABOUT TO RACK HAVICK ON THE BANKING SYSTEM WHENT THE FEDS GAT A CALLL AND HAD TO STOP THEM IF YOU CAN SEE THESE THINGS THEN YOU ARE TRULY DUMB AS A TACK OR A PERSONN WITH THE MIND TRO HELP THE GOV'T DO THEIR WORK

LETS SEE HAS THE FED'S EVER MADE A DEAL WITH ONE WHO THE HVE IN JAIL OR HAVE TOLD IF THE DON'T HELP THEM THEY WILLMAKE THEIR LIVES HELL AND THERE BY MADE THAT PERSON SO AFRAD OF WHAT THEY SAY WILL HAPPEN THAT THIS PERSON WOULD BE WILLING TO SPOEND THERE TIME ON HERE CAUSEING TRUOBLE OR GIVE UP SOEMEOTHER DRUG DEALER IN AN EXAMPLE OH KNOW THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT THEIR TO GOOD FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO GOOOD OF A CVSE AND DON'T NEED TO THAT


TAKE YOU SUNGLASSES OFF FOR A SECOND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS ROOM OF THE GOINGS ON AND YOU CAN'T HELP BUT SEE THERE IS WRONG DOING TOTHESE GUYS AND FOR WHAT THE RISK OF BEINGFOUND OUT .

YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP .

i JUST WONDER IF A SPENT MORE TIME ON HERE.

partysecured said...

Mogel, Unless I'm just blind I can't find March 1st listed for the interview with alex kurt and scott.

Yetter said...
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Yetter said...

Party Secured. Check archives for 2005.

neodemes said...

"Scott: its my understanding that these guys are coming in and attacking a fiction."

More like attacking a cartoon.

ROFLMAO

Hey, can y'all keep the posts shorter? My scroller is wearing out.

SSDD

TTFN

mogel said...

NEMO: Your Maker is speaking to you & your ilk:

"Wo unto them that turn aside THE JUST for a thing of naught, and REVILE against that which is good, and SAY THAT IS OF NO WORTH! For the day shall come that the Lord God will speedily visit the inhabitants of the earth; and in that day that they are fully ripe in iniquity they shall perish."

Just think in another 8 years, you can file bankruptcy yet AGAIN. That's about exciting as your life gets.

I think what is comical is the judicial system and all of the mistakes they have made to date in regards to the Dorean Group saga, by fallen into the traps that have already been laid. It's like the Keystone cops trying to get the bad guys & bringing them to justice and only end up falling on their faces being the clowns they are.

mogel said...

Two stories:

http://www.nbc6.net/
nbc6investigates/4234457/
detail.html


This is more recent:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/
apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20070325/NEWS/703250408/
1011/TOWN10

mogel said...

Here's a newspaper article that supposedly is written in the future, judging by the date. LOL

Gosh, do you think you can believe everything you read?

This article says that the FBI ongoing investigation encompasses 35 States, but another newspaper article I read, listed the States in the FBI investigation & it only included 34 States. Can't they even get the number correct? Maybe the FBI doesn't even know what they are investigation? You think?

I like the part of the trustee assignment being given to a Dorean employee?????? The prosecution team seems to know this, but doesn't name the dorean employee? Do you believe that too? And why isn't the employee charged with conspiracy too or in the very least "contempt of court"?

http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=5378

neodemes said...

moogie yammers:

""Wo unto them that turn aside THE", blah, blah, blah.

Golly, thanks for sharing your Mormon heresy with me, moogster.

False prophets seem to be a big attraction for you.

Come back and gloat if your boys ever get this straight. eh?

TTFN

P.S. - There is still time for you to repent, accept the gift of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and be truly saved, Byron.

mogel said...

Good advice & information & the promise they will get things done:

http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=1556

mogel said...

Nemo: Stoning the true prophets or messengers, seems to be an attraction to you.

And you are so much better because........ you think you are saved from all displeasure of God by a mere act of confession or acceptance that takes a minute of acknowledgement & a rest of a lifetime to disregard? May I remind you "that every knee shall bow & every tongue shall confess that Jesus is the Christ", so by your heresy EVERYONE HAS NO SPIRITUAL RISK, so get over yourself. That includes especially you & all of you "holier than thou Christians".

Oh by the way, maybe you should learn of someone's faith before you attack it with ignorance as you do and call it "heresy". You don't know enough about the religious doctrine to form even an intelligent opionion even.

Maybe you should read the 1st 3 articles of faith and especially the 1st article of faith written by Joseph Smith or what we believe. Also, we don't "deny the gift" as you repeatedly STILL don't get it. Then you wouldn't write such stupid assumptions about me in a post script. Your ignorance is getting quite boring to me since we've had this discussion before.

Lastly, please don't call a book heresy when you haven't even read it. Course that would be consistent with how you form your opinions, from a standpoint of ignorance.

neodemes said...

So sad to see so many so lost.

Romans 14:

10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.


Since you are not my brother, I'll make no apology for perceived judgment.

The Jesus of the LDS is not the Jesus of Holy Scripture. You choose to blaspheme Him as a creation - a half-brother of Lucifer.

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

22Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

23He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

24And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.

25And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

35Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

36And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

37And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.

38Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?

39He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.

40One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.

41He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

42And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

43The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.

44Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.

45Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

46And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

47Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

48Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

49Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

50Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

51And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.



Your heresy is not of God, but straight from the heart of Lucifer. You are Satan's toy and tool, leading folks to Hell and destruction. You teach of becoming gods through works.

There is ONE GOD and you will never be HIM.

In this you are right - EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND.

mogel said...

Satan is no "half brother". Sure he was "disowned", but that doesn't change his genetics. He is a spirit brother the same as you or me. He was the "Angel of the Light" & was cast out of Heaven, where the whole family of the whole earth was there too. See Job 38: 1-9
where we all were there IN THE BEGINNING WITH JESUS too when we all witnessed the creation of the earth in the beginning. SEE VERSE 7.

Why are there 2 creations mentioned in the book of Genesis? You think that was a mistake? When you talk of the beginning, which beginning are you referring to? The Spiritual creation beginning, or the physical creation beginning like of the earth & people dwelling on the earth? That makes a huge difference in understanding which beginning you are talking about.

Does that make all the sons of God also Gods by your own logic since they were also IN THE BEGINNING with Jesus according to the Book of Job & hence by your logic couldn't be creations either.

1 jOHN 5: 7

There are three Gods that bear witness in Heaven. The oneness can only be oneness of purpose and truth, not oneness of bodily form for when Stephen was stoned he looked up into heaven & saw Jesus sitting on the right hand of God.

mogel said...

Nemo said: "In this you are right - EVERY KNEE SHALL BEND."
______________________________

Then we agree after all. All will be saved then & no one is spiritually lost, because ALL WILL CONFESS THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST & BEND ACCORDINGLY, & acknowledge this gift, except the sons of perdition, not even suggesting that you would ever qualify for such a fate because to do so, you must first be fully & entirely enlightened and then entirely turn away, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Have you done something different than those that are supposedly lost & thus deserve different acclamation then & does your statement that so many are lost make any sense then? "Even the devils acknowledge and believe in Christ in that they recognize his authority and tremble & obey him if commanded? Are they saved too & how are they lost in your context of salvation?

Yet at the same time, you put down the necessity of good works as having no part in the gospel or any correlation to salvation. You truly are a contradiction.

I think you don't know what you believe because you accept some scripture & deny others to your own confusion and ignorance.

One part says: "he that believeth shall be saved".

Another part says, "He that believeth & repenteth of his sins shall be saved."

Another part talks about the necessity of receiving the Spririt or being born of the water and of the Spirit for salvation.

Another part says: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved."

Another part says: "He that believeth and confesseth with his lips that Jesus is the Christ shall be saved."

Another part says: "He that believeth & ENDURETH to the end shall be saved." Yet don't most Christians supposedly KNOW THAT THEY ARE SAVED & BRAG ABOUT IT, EVEN BEFORE THEY HAVE ENDURED TO THE END? Strange indeed.

Well let's see, Is baptism a work or some sort of performance? Is repentence a work too, or just a mere suggestion totally unrelated to salvation?

Of course it can't be since works are condemned in the grace & gift of Christ according to the gospel of Nemo, right?

Let's see, my name is Nemo, and I'll decide which part of God's word I'll accept and which part I'll throw away & totally disregard. What I decide is truth and those that believe differently are lost forever and need to repent. That's all I have to say.

2cons4life said...

By Steve Urbon
Standard-Times senior correspondent
March 25, 2007 6:00 AM
NEW BEDFORD — On the face of it, there was nothing too unusual about the foreclosure auction conducted on a dismal morning last week in front of 159 North St. in a neighborhood a little down on its luck.

With well-dressed people reading proclamations aloud and waiting for bidders to declare themselves, the scene mirrored countless others across the country. Borrowers in a once-booming housing market suddenly find it impossible to keep up with the payments. Financing deals that once seemed sweet become sour when interest increass on adjustable mortgages drive payments through the roof.

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Region's foreclosures skyrocket But behind this one particular house is a tale of a scam, a swindle, one of the biggest and most ambitious that federal prosecutors say they've ever cracked. It's a scheme to defraud banks and more than a thousand homeowners that has landed two California men in federal prison, where they could spend the rest of their lives.

It's also a cautionary tale of what can happen when one who is swimming in debt goes looking for a way out of it and instead gets snared in the tentacles of smooth-talking hucksters.

It's tantalizingly called "mortgage elimination," a crackpot monetary theory that contends that mortgages aren't legally enforceable. Its slick practitioners rely on naive and gullible mortgage holders to buy into a racket that could ruin them financially in a matter of months. One might read about it on a breathless Internet site, or hear about it from a telephone call from a salesman, or even from a friend who has bought into it.

In a nutshell, the idea is that by filing some clever paperwork filled with legal mumbo-jumbo, the scammers could — for a modest fee, of course — leave a home buyer free and clear of monthly payments forever.

They even conducted seminars to tell eager potential victims about the opportunity, with special thanks to Christ Jesus, according to a local man who attended one session and left full of doubt and suspicion.

The FBI estimates that in 2005, 20,000 such frauds were reported, while perhaps twice as many more were simply swallowed by the banks, which took their losses, dusted off and moved on.

In the case of the modest, two-story house in this city's West End, the telltale clue is a pair of names on the documents filed in the Bristol County Registry of Deeds: D. Scott Heineman and Kurt F. Johnson, Trustees of the Emmons Family Trust.

A quick Internet search quickly bursts the dam on a river of fraud that the two men, using a fictitious business called the Dorean Group, are accused of perpetrating across the land before their indictment and arrest in September 2005. Their trial is imminent on 46 counts of conspiracy bank fraud, mail fraud and contempt of court. But the damage they left behind is still accumulating.

The owner of 159 North St. before auction day was Roxann M. Emmons, who last year moved to Georgia. She did not return calls seeking comment for this story.

But the documents on file at the Registry of Deeds tell the tale. And it goes like this:

After paying Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson a fee, typically $1,500 to $5,000, a homeowner signs a document to transfer control of his or her property to a trust, whose sole trustees are the two men.

The new trustees then write a letter in legalese to the mortgage lender, challenging the validity of the mortgage ($180,000 in this case). The letter demands legal justification along with a complete set of books for auditing, and declares that if everything isn't proven to the "unilateral satisfaction of the Dorean Group" within 10 days, then the lender forfeits all legal claims to the property and transfers power of attorney to Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson. The letter of demand is notarized and filed, along with a "notice of intent to correct title," with the local register of deeds

Next, based on those bogus documents, the trustees file another document with the registry, a "discharge of mortgage" claim, in which the homeowner, in this case Ms. Emmons, declares that her debt has been cleared and that there is no longer a mortgage on the property.

With just a few strokes of the pen, the mortgage is "eliminated."

According to the Dorean Group's theory, Ms. Emmons no longer has any more mortgage payments to make. It will be a while before her lender — or any lender — exhausts all legal remedies and forecloses on the property, which they eventually will because the bogus filings have no legal force.

Meanwhile, according to the federal prosecutors, what typically happens next is that the Dorean Group, not content with simply the fee, will use the newly cleared title of the property to refinance with another big mortgage loan, a cash-out of the equity, which they then split with the momentarily happy homeowner and maybe a broker/agent involved in reeling in the "client." (The feds claim that the Dorean partners quickly moved their swag to an offshore account in the former Soviet state of Latvia.)

When the day of reckoning finally arrives, the "mark" will wind up as much as $5,000 lighter in cash, along with owing one, two or even three or more mortgages, since each subsequent mortgage also can be "eliminated" before somebody catches on. The cash he has in hand won't cover more than a small fraction of the total owed.

Why didn't someone catch on at the Bristol County Registry of Deeds to what was going on at 159 North St.?

"We'd never get anything done" if required to review the legality of everything that is filed, Register of Deeds J. Mark Treadup told The Standard-Times. The system is simply not set up for much beyond the endless business of recording documents, he said, and only an obvious problem might be caught in the absence of the rare court order. Only once in seven years has the registry been instructed by a judge to refuse to record documents on a piece of property, Mr. Treadup said.

California U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan told the San Francisco Chronicle in 2005, when the two alleged scammers were indicted, that the whole scheme depended on such vulnerabilities in the system: the willingness of county registries across America to record a new deed without checking or a lender's inability to respond to an impossible request within 10 days. The fact that the Dorean Group operated for two years before a South Carolina bank blew the whistle and alerted the FBI "points out maybe some of the weaknesses in our system," Mr. Ryan told the newspaper.

The Dorean Group also preys on the weaknesses of property owners who may have little or no legal knowledge.

Hector Mejia, who owns a house in the North End, knows about that. Now retired, he once heard from a friend at work about this amazing opportunity to wipe out mortgage debt. So he signed up in good faith, wound up paying $5,000 out of his pocket and was lucky that the scheme was interrupted by the federal indictment of the two schemers.

"Everybody took the money and disappeared," he said.

Today Mr. Mejia, who immigrated from Ecuador 35 years ago, freely admits that he was taken in by the scam until his wife blew the whistle. "Yeah, I'm lucky. My wife told me, 'Don't do this,'" he said.

Yet even though the scam never had the chance to play itself out in his case, Mr. Mejia said that dissolving the trusteeship he had signed with the Dorean Group proved to be a real hassle — right down to getting the signatures of Mr. Heineman and Mr. Johnson. "I had to send some papers to the jail so they could authorize it and send them back," he said.

Peter Abele of Taunton confirmed that he is the former co-worker of Mr. Mejia whose momentary enthusiasm for the "mortgage elimination" idea was contagious.

"I basically feel like an idiot" for falling for it even for a brief time, Mr. Abele said.

He said he traveled at his own expense to South Carolina to attend a seminar where Mr. Heineman also made an appearance.

"The trouble is that too much of the information they put out is apparently worded in such a way that it sounds legal, but apparently it's not," he said.

Mr. Abele said he first learned about the scheme from a telephone solicitor. "I was at the point where I'd have my mortgage paid off. I was going to retire, and with this, I'd have all that taken care of," he said.

Instead, he heard a lot of hype but not good answers to hard questions, such as "How can you pay off 90 percent of a mortgage with 10 percent of the money?"

That brought such responses as, "We really can't promise you at this point; it would be disclosing too much information," Mr. Abele said.

"Then they started accusing people in the group of disclosing secrets to outside people. Then Jesus became a big player and everything. I'm not anti-Christ, but you can't tell me God is out there helping people lose their mortgages."

Yet he initially signed up, too, before realizing that simply doing so would probably violate the terms of his mortgage and could be grounds for foreclosure all by itself. "I got out with the help of a lawyer. I didn't want to awaken a sleeping giant. And I helped Hec get out of it, too," he said.

Mr. Treadup observed that it all boils down to the old expression that if something seems too good to be true, it probably is.

To which Mr. Abele added that financial schemes deserve a good dose of skepticism and hard questions, such as the one he asked Mr. Heineman: "Unless I get a letter from the bank telling me this, how can I believe you?"

"He said, 'We have the authority.' And once you get to that point, you know something's wrong," he said.

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

near the end said...

Nemo, Please don't post proclaiming to be a Christian. Someone like you who beat his wife and filed "BANKRUPTCY" has no business proclaiming that.

No wonder your wife Divorced you.

near the end said...

2cons4life, Have they been found guilty?

mogel said...

Mr. Abele said: "How can you pay off 90 percent of a mortgage with 10 percent of the money?"

That brought such responses as, "We really can't promise you at this point; it would be disclosing too much information," Mr. Abele said.

"Then they started accusing people in the group of disclosing secrets to outside people. Then Jesus became a big player and everything. I'm not anti-Christ, but you can't tell me God is out there helping people lose their mortgages."
_________________________________

For someone that attended a conference, it is obvious he wasn't listening & didn't learn a thing. To his first question, no amount of money is needed to pay off the mortgage. That is not what the Dorean process did. The mortgage was not a valid instrument to begin with since the lender gave no financial consideration; they just used your promissory note to fund your own loan. How any client that entered the process, can't understand that basic fact is simply appalling to me.

Maybe a simple 3-5 question test should have been given to potential clients in the beginning before they were ever even allowed to enter the process & maybe a prerequisite to get all of the answers right. At least that would have given an indication that they understood the basic pretext of what was being accomplished for them & why the mortgage challenge had legal merit. Maybe that would have cut down on alot of the whinning.

Since the mortgage wasn't proven to be a valid recording, by the lenders silence of the presentment, the trustees had perfect legal rights to discharge the obligation being an agent of the lender through the lenders silence and default. THE PRESENTMENT WAS A NEW CONTRACT THAT THE LENDER ACCEPTED. There are laws to back up the trustees actions. Mr. Abele didn't need to get any recognition or agreement from the lender of the newly recorded documents.

"Disclosing too much information" to the client? Wouldn't that be hard to prove that Mr. Abele even learned the basics!!!!

It appears Mr. Abele didn't understand hardly anything. No wonder why he was so apt to get out of the trust arrangement; his only safe haven that would eventually save him & financially compensate him for his plight. Kind of sad, but if you really want to cut off your nose to spite your face, I suppose you have that right too.

Mr. Abele, you're right about one thing though, I must give you credit, God isn't out there helping people lose their mortgages. That is all done by the greedy lenders who violate the law & totally disregard their obligations to follow the law. The mortgage challenge showed that the lenders don't follow the law. If you don't understand that simple fact, you truly are lost.

And clients that didn't follow the policy to continue your payments under protest until they were to the point of collateral estoppel in the very least, or even until there is a written memo sent to all clients in writing to stop monthly payments all together(which hasn't happened to date), need to also take some responsibility for their loss of their home too. Course none of them do this either.

Obviously the slanted reporter doesn't want to fully disclose the full story either. I suppose if you want to tell a partial story, you can get someone to believe anything & create an extreme prejudice.

Initially it was believed that the lenders would follow the law & respect their default & acknowledge that title was taken away lawfully.

The Dorean Group were mistaken about giving the lenders too much credit for being honorable by being forced to rectify their theft by simply walking away from the transaction. The lenders didn't simply walk away & leave the clients alone, probably based upon bad legal advice given to the lenders by their attorneys, but does that make the actions of the lender lawful because they trample over law and your legal rights as a client? Does that make the lenders automatically righteous in their might? Does MIGHT make right?

Is public policy simply legal because it's what the masses just accept without a fight & without an inquisition into truth?

That in essence is what disgruntled clients are concluding after totally giving up. I think alot of clients need to grow up! Getting an education is the first step. Next would be to realize by continued study that the trustees have always hade their best interests at heart, another thing disgrunteld clients can never see because they stopped trying to figure out the full picture. They just gave up too early. Although its sad of their damages, another part of me is angry that their continued choice to stay ignorant is a punishment in and of itself, that maybe in one sense has it's own justifications for misery & damages, since ignorance is a choice too for most people.

Lastly, it's not over until it's over. "I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet." I don't even believe the opera lady can sing.

mogel said...

Here is the LDS viewpoint on the subject of creation & scriptures to back up that viewpoint:

http://www.utlm.org/online
resources/sermons_talks_
interviews/kingfolletsermon.htm

conmanbuster said...

Alex Merklinger is a Affliate Broker with these thieves. He had over 150 victims signed up to rip off with this morgage elimination scam "Dorean Group. Reveiw the transcript Johnson is asking for. Dec 23, 2004 at Mysteriesofthemind.com in the archieves. Merklinger says he is a broker and had 150 victims on the tape, thats over $400,000 what a great Con scam he got away with. Merklinger only give P O Box's for address's and has dogs with him all the time, he thinks someone is always after him, GEE I WONDER WHY. Why wasn't Merklinger charged with these criminals. Merklinger is a Convicted Felon on mail and wire fraud released on 12/18/95 serving 33 months of a 37 month conviction, and he's at it again. He already has on victim under his built now he is after more with the Dorean Group scam.
ROT IN HELL JOHNSON - JESUS don't like you, trust me
CON MAN BUSTER, MY MISSION IS TO PUT ALL YOU CON MEN IN A CELL WERE THE CRIPS AND BLOODS CAN USE YOU FOR SOAP.